Hendon Hooker enters transfer portal

And I am heartbroken,

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When Hooker went 69 on William, it brought a tear to my eye

Hooker went 69 on William

Bro. Mary was there too.

Nice.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

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Not necessarily surprised. Wherever he ends up, I hope he finds success!

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

This is why you take a QB every class. The QB room can go from stocked to nearly empty in a heartbeat. Hopefully QP is progressing nicely because he is now one injury away from being the guy (if he doesn't win the starting job by game 1).

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

The BIG question now is what if QP wins the starting job during summer camp and RW decides not to stick around as the backup. Yikes.

And now makes even more sense why they just threw out that 2019 QB offer. The room went from full to empty real quick. This is again why the staff should take a QB every year and have had someone targeted way earlier in the process.

Drink up homie!

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

So, if Willis is the starter next year and QP is the back-up, who is going to run the "special 3rd string QB package" that Corny wants to run?/s

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Lawson.

Plaid-level Lawsoning here

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I got to push you over the top. Congratulation on reaching plaid country.

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The 180 lb pro style qb we just offered

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Fans eat that package up. "He's so talented you have to find a way to get him on the field."

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Fans Recruits eat that package up. "He's I'm so talented you have to find a way to get him me on the field."

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I think we saw this coming, but now I'm really nervous with only two QBs on the roster.

We have quite a few other players on the team who played QB in high school. Ellis is the first to come to mind if Willis and QP sprained their ankles.

I've been wondering what took so long on this one, this shoe took a long, long time to drop.

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Good luck, Hendon. Quincy Patterson, please step up!!

Out of all the transfers, this is the least shocking....however it does leave the QB room pretty thin right now.

I think it was Maryland that suffered a couple of injuries last year and played most of the season without a true QB. That was not a good look.

The famous case was when that happened back in 2012 to Maryland. They had a true freshman linebacker playing quarterback.
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So now just two options for next year, QP and Willis? I would expect this to mean than Hendon was behind QP and did not see any chance to be able to pass him. I also wish him well but now I am starting to get a little concerned about depth.

Fuck

This made the most sense of any transfer.

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#Itstarts............Now

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

I read this with the "I'm Ron Burgun...dy?" inflection.

QB room getting empty...time for a position change. Welcome to the QB room Drake Deiuliis.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Ah yes, had forgotten about this one

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Everybody panic!

Now, please go about your day with that out of your system. We now return you to our regularly scheduled off-season.

Remember not too long ago how we were all enjoying a full quarterback room

Do we have a freshman QB coming in? Could Dejuan Ellis go back to QB? Do we have any options or are we just gonna wing it with two guys?

This kid is team mates with Griffin.

Also note FWIW that Knox helped lead his team to back to back state championships.

Edit: watching his hudl vids from the '18 season, this kid is calm and cool as a cucumber under duress...

Let's Go

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the fact that they beat us makes me want to throw up at this comment.

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I'm assuming JMU "beat" us because we haven't shown much interest until now.

I wasn't referring to recruiting.

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should go plaid. Perfect.

I've blocked out that awful day!

Don't think that we were recruiting him before now...we just extended the offer today.

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Unfortunately I believe he's referring to the 2010 game.

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And he just got a sweet shoutout from Tarik Cohen.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

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Not sure if it has been pointed out yet, but the QB room sure does look pretty empty now.

There's our starter, an Elite 11 back up, we just put out an offer, and we just moved Ellis out.

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Moved Ellis "out". meaning what? He's back to QB?

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Nah, I think he just meant Ellis has some familiarity with that room, and could switch back if absolutely needed.

Dang I am most bummed about this transfer. I think he had the highest ceiling of the QB's and was hoping he would battle in the Spring and Fall before sitting out a year. Best of luck Hendon, think he can thrive at a P5 program

He had the highest ceiling if were talking about his legs only. Everything I heard about him before he got on campus and once he got on campus was that we were expecting him to change positions eventually or we had to retool his throwing motion. Make sense considering we really never saw him throw the football.

Like mentioned before, his HS tape sure looked like he could sling the ball with the best of them. Just a bummer that didn't translate to the next level as well as I hoped. Also think he should have gotten more of shot to prove himself in garbage time than to put Quincy in.

I never watched his tape but a lot of guys that seem like they have big arms in HS have a long windup motion, some make it work i.e Tim Tebow, but a lot move positions or are mechanically stripped and rebuilt

hows this effect the tre turner transfer status though is the real question.

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Of course. It wouldn't be Hokie football without bad news. So no depth in the QB room now. Had to match DL and DB and...

Somehow the QB room being thin now will be blamed on Beamer for not having 3 RS Senior QBs for us now.

What QB's did Beamer bring in the last four years? A. Ford transfer, Durkin transfer, Lawson transfer didn't sign a real QB at all in 2012 or '13. So yes Beamer not signing a decent QB in his last four dos have a negative impact on this upcoming season.

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Bullshit. Justin Fuente was hired in December of 2015. He makes 4 mil per. The roster is his. Hell he has brought in 3 QB transfers himself. The QB room is his. He owns Jackson and Hooker bolting.

You should know by now who you're trying to convince...

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Jackson/Hooker: Coach, I've decided to transfer.
Fuente: What do you mean transfer? Don't you know I make $4 million per year!?
Jackson/Hooker: Ohhh. My bad, coach. In that case I'll definitely be staying.

Seriously though, what on earth does Fuente's salary have to do with Jackson and Hooker transferring? Dabo makes nearly $7 million per year, yet somehow he "allowed" Hunter Johnson and Kelly Bryant to transfer and leave Clemson with 2 scholarship QBs for the majority of the season.

QBs are going to transfer and try to find playing time, as most have been "the man" for a long time and don't want to give up on the NFL. Heck, even Ricardo Young transferred to try to get on the field. If you want a bunch of QBs to stick around, your best shot is to recruit low-rated guys without NFL aspirations. Is that really what you'd prefer?

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For 4 million a year, Roster management should be a basic expectation, no? Or is that amount still not enough to not blame Frank Beamer for the ails of the roster? That was my point.

Dabo makes nearly $7 million per year, yet somehow he "allowed" Hunter Johnson and Kelly Bryant to transfer and leave Clemson with 2 scholarship QBs for the majority of the season.

I hear you, fam. #FireDabo

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in his defense dabo had a clear cut starter. we do not. unless we do in QP and if that's the case I wont care if fuente mismanaged the QB depth or not. unless someone gets hurt, But even then at least we know we've got a decent back up with RW.

see the viscous circle here? #winningcuresall

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Does that make it better since the drop-off between Lawrence and the "next man up" was likely even more significant? In fact Trevor Lawrence was knocked out of the game against Syracuse, which was only 5th game of the season and 1st after Bryant announced his transfer. VT fans would go completely bananas and call for Fuente's job if that happened even in the middle of a 6-7 season, much less during a national championship run.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Dabo Swinney- coming off a national championship has trouble "managing" Clemson's roster? Really? I disagree. A quick glance shows they have lost 2 regular season games the past 3 years. I'd say he is managing the roster OK. Justin Fuente, OTOH just went 6-7 and has huge holes all over the roster, and for the second consecutive year has less than 10 seniors on the team. I don't think the two are a valid comparison, do you? Have you glanced at Clemson's Defensive line depth chart? How about CBs? How is Clemson looking overall for next year? 8-4? lol

Dabo's record in year 3 at Clemson was 6-7.

I'm not saying it's a great comparison overall, but everybody is being a bit selective.

I would feel a hell of a lot better if we had Sammy Watkins, Nuke Hopkins, and Stephon Anthony reporting in August.

Sure. This would have been true under Beamer as well.

That's all well and good but your post that I replied to stated

The QB room is [Fuente's]. He owns Jackson and Hooker bolting.

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood, but it seems pretty clear the point you attempted to make was, "Fuente failed at managing the QB room because he only has 2 scholarship QBs." Then I pointed out that Clemson only had 2 scholarship QBs for 11 of 15 games of this past season. They even had Trevor Lawrence get injured and have to leave the game against Syracuse, leaving them to depend on a 3rd/4th string guy to win the game and possibly keep their national championship hopes alive. You don't really expect me to believe you'd be on TKP defending Fuente in those circumstances, do you?

The fact of the matter is that you were wrong in this instance but instead of admitting it, you evaded the conversation and introduced unrelated criticisms of Fuente. What's unfortunate is that there are valid criticisms to be made- nobody is happy with 6-7 and DT and CB depth are significant issues- but you aggressively attack typical roster attrition at the QB position because you can't accept that every single thing Fuente does isn't further evidence of an attempt to destroy the program.

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Seems like youre more jealous of a guy making 4 mil than evaluating the job he's doing compared to other college football coaches in good faith

Seems like I am a hokie club member and season tic holder going on 20 years pointing out the fact that 2 of our QBs and several other players have transfered and that there are huge holes on the roster in terms of depth- Like DL, CB, and now QB. That's what is seems like to me. That for 4 million a year, asking for a winning season and ACC level D lineman on the roster is not too much to ask. I think that it what it seems like to me.

That's quite reasonable

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Y'all are way to focused on who is commenting and not on what is being commented

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It's more about Fuente not being able to retain any of them.

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That sounds like, you know, nonsense.

If you have guys who want to start, and it's clear they're not going to, this is what the transfer portal is for.

I'd a LOT rather have two guys competing for number one who are head and shoulders better than the backups than three backups with an equal chance at the job.

Is your job around here to be the absolute known it all? Every time someone has a different opinion you act like an a$& to them.

I haven't been apart of the program in 10 years, so no I don't KNOW anything.

I do know that when I was around we were able to recruit and keep a full QB room without anyone jumping ship. Some talented ones as well.

We had plenty of talent in our QB room over the past 3 years and the job of the coach is to keep selling everyone the vision of where we are headed. We went from full to barely having a room. Fuente needs to do a better job of selling so this doesn't happen over and over again.

That's my Opinion and I'm allowed to have it.

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Yes you are allowed to have your nonsense opinion. Show me which big time college football program hasn't had QBs jump ship. Bama? Clemson? OU? OSU?

If QP pans out the 2019 QB room could ultimately measure up with the Tyrod, Glennon, and Cory Holt years.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

College football is a different world now. If transferring was as prevalent then as it is today, Glennon woulda been gone.

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Completely agree that things are changing. Part of me thinks the portal will be a good tool to create a new KPI tool for each college. That would be some interesting data to take a look at.

I still believe that your head coach needs to be the best salesman in the room with or without the portal.

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This. The game has changed so much in the last ten years that it's really, really hard to keep up. New transfer rules, new targeting rules, new recruiting rules, etc. Hell, even a lot of the schemes and personnel has drastically changed in a decade. Sometimes I'll go back and watch old Hokietapes from when I was in college (sadly it's been longer than ten years....because I'm old) and it's staggering how different everything is.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

I do know that when I was around we were able to recruit and keep a full QB room without anyone jumping ship. Some talented ones as well.

Are there examples you can provide? Bryan Randall/Marcus Vick and Sean Glennon/Tyrod Taylor are the most notable examples that come to mind. Would Randall have stayed if Marcus didn't have his issues to be away from the team in 2004? Is anybody happy with how the Sean Glennon/Tyrod Taylor situation played out? In fact, the QB recruiting and depth was a primary complaint of VT fans from 2005-2013. For several years we were an injury away from starting JuJu Clayton or Mark Leal for the rest of the season. Literally we weren't developing or even redshirting another QB during those years.

Look back at our non-primary QBs going back to the class of 2004:
Brendan Motley (2012) - Stayed. Mid 3* recruit as an athlete (0.86). Served as only backup for 2015/16 seasons (Durkin changed positions and Andrew Ford transferred)
Ricardo Young (2010) - Transferred. Mid 3* recruit (0.86). Left after redshirt freshman season.
Mark Leal (2010) - Stayed. Mid 3* recruit (0.86). Served as only backup to Logan Thomas for 2011-2012; still QB2 over Motley in 2013 and was potential starter in 2014 until Michael Brewer arrived.
JuJu Clayton (2008) - Stayed. 2* recruit (0.79). Was only backup to Tyrod in 2009 (Logan Thomas was at TE/WR)
Ike Whitaker (2005) - Stayed. 4* recruit (0.92). Personal issues for nearly his entire tenure at VT.
Cory Holt (2004) - Stayed. Low 3* recruit (0.83). Was expected to be only backup available during a Tyrod redshirt year. Does he stay if Whitaker doesn't have his issues?

Personally I don't think that really supports the claim that we had a full QB room for the last 10+ years of Beamer's tenure. Most of the time we had a single backup with the exception of the Tyrod/Glennon situation, and that was likely skewed by the half-hearted attempts to redshirt Tyrod in both 2007 and 2008.

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I don't have a dog in this fight. But Vtkey isn't close to the worst offender on here re: your first 2 sentences.

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I don't have a dog in this fight.

Of course you don't. Why would a beard own a dog?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

a better question is why wouldn't it? a beard is no different from any other man. just a little more manly.

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21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

He and I are talking about the big picture. Roster management is an issue. That's why we had no depth last year and it's not looking a whole lot better for next year either. Big picture.. the 85 man roster is the head coaches responsibility to manage in terms of numbers.

Nobody is really going to argue with that, because it's rather obvious that the head coach is responsible for managing the roster, and selling the program.

The problem is in the premise that quarterbacks never move around in the NCAA for a better shot at playing time. Even the best programs run into this (Though Ohio State always seems to be ridiculously deep in starting-caliber QBs). QBs change teams rather frequently, and did even before the portal. I'd expect even more of that now that it's easy.

There are a handful of people here who blast Fuente over everything. They aren't going to be happy no matter what he does.

And there are some people who defend him against even valid criticism

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We have a serviceable starter, and a grooming for the future guy. In some catastrophic events, that could get thin. As it stands, not near the top of what we should be concerned about.

Sure, and when someone does that, you have the right to argue with them.

But if your argument consists of unsupported assertions, expect some pushback.

What's amazing about sports fans is that they think they know more about coaching than professional coaches.

I hope you're wrong about Fuente. But one thing I'm 100% certain of is that you don't know right now whether he can succeed or not. He deserves the time to see if he can get it right. I know we gave Beamer a little time, and it worked out for all of us.

Usually I agree with most of what your saying but these are the kind of comments that have people get after you. This is nothing but trying to create an argument that nobody was making...

It was sarcasm/ a joke.

FWIW I got the joke. Gave me a good chuckle.

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System to player evaluation is part of "recruiting". This was a missed eval- no other way to say it.

Can you elaborate? I don't follow recruiting much so I don't really know what Hookers best fit would have been. I'm curious to know how he doesn't fit on our system. I'm honestly wondering, not trying to be a dick.

He was recruited to be a starting QB type player, not a Mark Leal or Cory Holt, WADR. He was a good get for VT with a good offer list. He is leaving after his RS Freshman season. Something in the eval process doesn't jive. And thats OK

There are plenty of quarterbacks across college football that aren't ready to start after they're Redshirt Freshman year. It takes time for the game to slow down for a lot of guys when they get to college. We need to quit calling a kid a bust after 2 years and they aren't meeting your personal expectations. Hooker's evaluation by the staff probably saw him as a solid starter in the system by his Junior/Senior year, but if he feels like QP has already been handed the keys for the future, then don't blame him for not wanting to play backup for the rest of his career if he thinks he can succeed elsewhere.

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He's leaving because we have a better younger option. Seems silly to recruit backups.

JJ, Hooker, and QP were recruited to ne starter quality players. Something has to give at some point. I don't know if this was a missed eval until I actually see him play.

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Something tells me that it's a lot easier to recruit a backup than a guy with the chance to become "the man".

I'd rather they recruit the number one spot and lose some, than recruit backups.

But what do I know? I'm not a P5 coach making 4 mil. I do remember some QBs transferring under Beamer as well, and also talking TEs into becoming QBs.

Nobody (at least extremely few) players are intentionally signing to be a backup

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You must not look around college football much or hell Hokie teams in general. QB is the one position where someone is goin to transfer out at some point every few years if not more.

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What did you say about hooker on signing day? Did you like it? or did you say, meh..he will leave in 2 years. Be honest.

so would you prefer we rotate QBs? if all 3 played would you say that is GREAT recruiting and evaluation by Fuente and company?

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The answer to this question is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Of course we should bring in players we are happy with. Of course they will not all stay. At any program.

He's transferring after a RS-freshman season. I don't think it should be the expectation that a QB wins the job by then or bust

When the top programs are winning national championships by true freshmen dethroning established starters it kind of throws national perception of what success at the QB position looks like for a loop.

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For sure. And if we land another Tyrod level guy I'll be fine with the play by year 2 or bust evaluation.

We all missed it. I thought Hooker's HS film was more promising than Patterson.

That said, he got a brief chance this year, and he didn't look mentally ready to play. His cameo vs W&M, even with the TD run (which was a huge bust by a checked out defense) it wasn't awe inspiring. And then the fumbled snap looked like someone who was having an "oh shit" moment. Hopefully he finds the right home because I think he has a ton of talent, but something just wasn't clicking here. And, that is a little vexing because Hooker should have been a perfect fit for this offense.

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Thank you... you made my point better than I did.

Lol I love how your comment saying it was a missed eval has -1 while French is at +9......

French hasn't pissed off half the users on here multiple times.

I don't know about that. French says cheese is bad fairly regularly.

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Sad that people will hold a grudge against someone considering dc still contributes good thoughts and content despite his "hot" takes.

You are a big fan of mine. Appreciate it.

Bud, we have got to make it to one of the TKP tailgates together, if only to check out peoples' reactions when you put out your hand and say, "Hi, I'm dcwilson40."

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

This provides some truly hilarious imagery, I must say.

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that's because French could have posted he hates cheese on this post and he would have gotten +10 and DCwilson could have posted exactly what French did and still got -1 but that's neither here nor there. (no offense French because 99% of the time you are giving us useful info, but the 1% its not we love it just the same)

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I will never support the war French has waged on cheese.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

because French made the point better than dcwilson did, by dcwilson's own admission

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I think the main difference is that French will make a point in a constructive way (see above), while dcwilson can make the same point but it's argumentative, childish, and often reeks of so much entitlement that it reminds you of something a UVA fan would say.

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come on, man

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

System to player evaluation is part of "recruiting". This was a missed eval- no other way to say it.

.....nothing about this is

argumentative, childish, and often reeks of so much entitlement

I agree that this is one of dc's more tame comments, but whenever he quotes a word like recruiting for no reason I read it the same way you'd read this:

Although he may not mean it this way it conveys derogatory sarcasm. It reads as though he considers our recruiting to be so poor that it's not actually recruiting.

Edited for typo.

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to me, it looks like the masses are fed up with the schtick and are back-lashing against anything even remotely close to it.

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Can you elaborate on this? It seems like QP is having a bit of trouble grasping it as well. What might be giving these guys so much trouble?

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Quincy is coming from a inner city school in Chicago that only had 2 coaches on the whole staff. Even at Elite 11, they talked about how raw he was and how he needed time to develop and learn the position. The college game is a completely different animal than high school even if you come from a solid program. Guys like Tua and Trevor are the extremes, not the norm. We've got to be a little more patient with these guys developing.

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Main reason I say that is how often I've heard people talk about QP's smarts (including at the E 11). Just thought he might be on a faster track because of that. This year he needs to get some real meaningful reps though regardless so he can get the speed of the game.

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Guys like Tua and Trevor are the extremes, not the norm.

Plus, they are playing with an EXTREMELY talented team around them. A lot of freshman mistakes can be covered up by that much talent. The really scary thing about Clemson is that he's only going to get better. And their recruiting shows no signs of slowing down.

In his defense that was a pretty bad snap. On his first play too

That sounds like the backups aren't being properly prepared in practice

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At the time that happened, Hooker was the third string QB. I'm sure Willis was taking all the extra snaps in practice with the 1st team and rightly so. There's only so many snaps to go around during limited practice time.

Once Jackson went down and Hooker became the backup, hopefully he was getting whatever extra snaps were available, but I think it's hard to fault the staff for not having the 3rd string QB game ready. Our previous staff couldn't even get the second string guy game ready (I know... Leoffler shouldn't be our benchmark for success).

Can't agree with you less on this one. *Every* QB we've brought in since Fuente was hired was recruited to be QB1. Even Willis, a walk-on transfer. This is just par for the course in college football these days. Grab a freshman and a transfer and we've got our emergency QB situation figured out just fine.

QB depth was ridiculous at the end of the season when we thought we would have JJ, RW, HH, and QP going into spring ...

Edit: Clarity.

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I don't understand this at all. JJ was hurt. QP had thrown 5 times all year. Next up was Savoy with 1 attempt. If Willis went down, we have people at the QB spot, but we didn't have a passing game.

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I thought by saying "at the end of the season" I would avoid confusion, because if I said "going into spring" someone would say, "but JJ has already announced he's transferring." I meant that after the season it looked like we were going to have JJ, RW, HH, and QP to start spring ball.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

JJ was injured at the end of the season. HH still hadn't thrown a pass. Holy shit, Alliterative names are dropping like flies.

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And that matters in relation to my comment how? JJ was expected to be back before spring and was even rumored to possibly play in the bowl game at one time. Yes, HH hadn't thrown a pass, but the consensus is he had the talent. My comment was about the wealth of expected talent and experience that would have been in the QB room had we had all four of them back like we thought. I really don't get how that is so hard to comprehend.

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Holy shit, alliterative names initials are dropping like flies.

FTFY. ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Not surprising. This is what happens when you get some talented kids with only one spot open. I'm fine with Willis and QP. Hopefully we add another QB or two to build more depth.

I want to see Willis consistently make the correct read on the read option before I'm fully on board with that 1-2 next year. He was so consistently off on those reads this year that I wonder if QP might earn the starters role if he can just do that correctly.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Willis seemed to do worse than a coin flip when running the read option at times.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I think what is most telling about the Fuente offense is that the times that he did make the right reads, of which there were not many, they went for huge gains. There were at least 2 times he pulled it and went for a comical walk into the end zone from 30+ yards out.

All we need is a QB that can run that right and we're so much better off down the line. The problem is.... well, pretty much everything I saw out of our ability to do that this year.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

True that, this play comes to mind. Although this one could also be blamed on the blitzing LB completely botching contain.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yep.. Fedora had someone right there to tackle him- Willis made him miss. VT fans saw that movie from our own team 100 times last year.

You just gave a perfect example as to why some people do not take your opinion seriously.

Your post above, for no true reason, still felt the need to throw shade at Tech. They were talking about the offense and yet you go out of your way to say something negative. It's really exhausting man.

Exactly. This is why so many people on here have lost patience with him. It is the definition of "internet trolling".

LOL. Seriously? The greater topic was "I'm concerned about Willis reading the RPO.." One example video was given that shows he could potentially read the RPO- I comment that- well UNC had a defender right there, and Willis juked him- meaning that perhaps it was not the great read it shows on film- I think French touched on that in his review of that game. I then - on a VT fan site- equate that to some of the struggles we had on defense this year- we finished below 90th in total defense.. but of course pointing out the obvious is "shade" of course.. lol please. You know what's funny is that if that video was posted on here with a VT defender whiffing, the overwhelming comments would be "VT called a perfect defense, the guy was right there".. LOL

For what it is worth, I like your comments much more when you take the time to elaborate.

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But isn't that what we want out of the offense? Get a hat on everyone, misdirect the hell out of the defense, and leave yourself 1 on 1 with no secondary help. One broken tackle and its a huge play. Even if the safety is following Willis the whole way, we had their entire line and linebacking core looking the wrong way and it would have been 15 yards, minimum before Willis was touched.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I'm not saying it shouldn't be. I just think it looks like the success on that play was the combination of an actual correct read on Willis' part as well as the overpursuit of the defender he beat.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

When our offense is humming, we're one that will look like its taking advantage of defensive breakdowns on a play to play basis. That's what we want to run. The Read Option leans heavily on the misdirection and isolating our attack on reacting to the decision of a single defender on any given play. If we make the right reads, we're going to get yards, and if we make the right reads combined with defensive errors (which are rampant in college) those gains will turn into chunk plays or TDs. But it all comes back to making the right reads, and we struggle with that.

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Let's Go

HOKIES

Look at the safety in the middle of the field...I haven't seen a safety misread a play this bad since Eric Berry against VT in 2009.

yeah, between the high safety crashing on the RB and the other DB's manned up with the WR's completely ignoring the QB carrying the ball, the UNC secondary didn't have their best play on that one.

He didn't read it right, as that was a QB run the whole way. He barely even carried out the fake. The LB falling down and the Safety still covering a receiver while the QB is 10 yards down the field made that play a lot more successful than it should have been.

unless you know the play call, you are speculating. I think it was a read option. I'm speculating too, but all the features of a read option are there - the DE was the optioned defender and he was crashing down the line toward the RB's path, so Willis kept it. A fake read option would have had someone (Keene) coming across to wham the DE and give the QB a chance to gain some yards.

As for "barely carrying out the fake" it was enough of a "fake" to fool the optioned DE, the blitzing LB and the high safety.

I think a lot of that had to do with underestimating Willis' running ability.

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I hear ya, but I think this past season's experience and a full offseason could help with that. Also, maybe Quincy takes a big step this offseason and wins the job.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

How sad would it be if he went to ODU and we end up losing to them again lol

Whyyyyyyy must you say things?!

You know you were thinking the same thing ha

hopefully we aren't on the Yosemite Sam path

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

ill be honest. before I posted the gif I didn't see the walking off the ledge part. just the re drawing of the line in the sand. seemed fitting as Fu drew the line. and now appears as if he has to redraw it. But the fact is if he keeps doing so eventually we being VT will fall of the ledge and have to start all over.

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I'm very disappointed. I sincerely hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the arse.

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Well, are there any options in the Portal for us left to use it to our advantage and get another QB? Seems like it's something we should consider.

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Players in the portal are looking for immediate or at least more playing time. I'm not sure VT could offer that with Willis and Patterson waiting in the wings.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

plenty of players in the portal (all the ones who aren't graduate transfers) have to sit out a season at their new school

Start the clock: the QP era is'a coming.

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"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

QP better be ready or Fuente is toast.

Dunno, he's done pretty well grabbing a non-HS guy, plugging him in and being successful.

Yep, so we can continuously excuse poor qb play by saying "well he just needs a QB for more than 1 year.."

As long as people keep falling for it, no reason not to change.

Yea because 3 games into this season Fuente was like "Hey Josh go break your leg so I can use the excuse of having a new starting quarterback for why the offense is struggling. People like falling for that one."

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I don't think either RW or JJ are/were good enough QBs to be the VT starter if our goal is to win our conference. RW may have more tools to get there eventually, but with how similar JJ looked this year in his limited time to last year's version, I'm not sure how you can't question why there wasn't at least a little more of a competition. JJ was named QB1 extremely early and still wasn't good. Unfortunately, it sounds like QP is still at least a year out too, so are we just going to continue to try to find stop-gap transfers? If developing QBs is what you hang your hat on as a coach, we're not faring too well.

If you noticed how many times Peoples got lit up in the backfield and looked back to Willis with a "WTF" expression on his face, you know why JJ was the starter.

Yea and I guess that's where I just have different expectations than you do on how long it should take to develop a starting college quarterback. It's not like Fuente came in with a loaded QB room, so he got Evans and recruited Hooker. Evans leaves and realistically Jackson has a solid year for a Redshirt Freshman in the ACC while Hooker redshirts and we land QP. Hooker is a R-Fr and still developing last year, QP redshirts, and Jackson is named the starter, gets hurt, and RW takes over and plays way better than his numbers at Kansas would have indicated he should. I'm not arguing the JJ and RW were guys we should depend on to lead us the an ACC championship. I'm just saying I don't think we really had any other choice but to go with them. College offenses are complex and take time to learn and then take even more time to apply to the field. It just was always going to take time for HH and QP to develop. We probably aren't going to land the high end qb recruits that are ready to step in. It takes time to get them there, but if you think it should be happening within a year or 2, then I don't know what to tell ya.

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I mean JJ won 9 games without any weapons as a freshman, he was one game from winning it then. Willis I agree probably isn't good enough to win it but hope I'm wrong

Fuente's QBs have, over the course of his coaching career, averaged 62.5% completion, 2854 yards, 22.1 TD, 7 INT. The consistency with which he's gotten QBs to be productive is astounding.

No, QB play hasn't been perfect and we haven't had the game-breaking type player who could take over a game on his own (Vick, Tyrod, etc, though a case could be made for Evans), but QB play has been far from the main factor holding the offense back, at least in the passing game.

We need continued development of young OL - particularly inside. We need a difference-maker at RB who can take a 7 yard gain and make it a 60 yard score. We need Turner & friends to continue to go up and get those 50-50 balls that make a QB look good as well as improve breaking 12 yard catches into 50 yarders.

Of course, we still need a QB who can get us in the right play, make the correct reads, and physically execute the throws/runs to move the ball, avoid turnovers and score, but I'm much more concerned about those non-QB positions than I am about Willis/QP currently.

Fuente hasn't had that long of a HC career. Lincoln Riley's numbers are probably insane. Does that mean he's the best HC at developing QBs? He's got a better system and recruits better, though, which drives productivity also. If we're going to struggle on O and not recruit blue chip QBs, we need to develop them.

Fuente was touted as a 'QB whisperer' bc of a couple good seasons with Paxton Lynch and an affiliation with Andy Dalton. Evans doesn't really count, as he was a last minute signing, and hardly 'developed' by our class. JJ wasn't really that good, and didn't show anything in his brief time this year to make him look any better. RW, even with his physical tools, doesn't know how to execute a read option. HH was here 2.5 yrs and was passed by a true freshman that our staff doesn't even trust to throw the ball, and has basically admitted wont be ready until 2020. I'm not sure how you can look at QB and what we've seen so far, at this level, and think everything is good.

Yeah for an alleged 'QB whisperer', Fuente sure hasn't improved any QBs at Virginia Tech. I mean just look at Ryan Willis' career stats (link). We should have easily made a New Year's 6 bowl with a QB who threw for 5.9 yards per attempt and 11 TDs to 17 INTs at Kansas. And there certainly haven't been any statistically-based articles (link) supporting that VT's QBs under Fuente have been among the most productive in school history, regardless of the player under center.

So yes, we just need to stop excusing poor QB play and accept that Fuente is a terrible coach in all aspects.

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It means everything when you're comparing Willis to JJ
It means nothing when you're comparing Kansas to Virginia Tech.

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It means everything when HH doesn't become the starter.
It means nothing when JJ and RW have two of the most productive seasons in school history.

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I couldn't have said it better. All of this.

Under Fuente's system we don't need a hero QB.

I feel like sometimes we say things like , "We trust Fuente" and then turn around and say things like, "We need a Beamer era QB".

Fuente's system is entirely predicated on the QB making the reads Fuente and Cornelsen expect him to make. As VT fans we're not used to that. We're used to the OC calling a play not knowing why he called that play (I mean he thinks he knows why) or knowing what that play is supposed to do; hoping that the QB scrambles after the play breaks down and hoping that the defense is so confused (based on the play calling ) that they don't know what to do either, so they stand around like their feet are encased in concrete. That is pretty much O'Cainspring football in a nutshell.

It's going to take some adjusting.

I have been very critical of the current OC and his play calling but I still think there is more behind it than what I witnessed under O'Cainspring.

I came to the same realization at the end of the season. I think 2019 can be handled by Willis but it's setting up that Fuente/Cornelsen are going to be pushing all-in with QP in 2020. If QP takes the reins and we aren't close to full speed that year, we are probably looking at staff changes at a minimum.

That said, we should recognize that the transfer portal is here to stay and things can change extremely quickly in this era of college football. A JUCO or transfer QB can come in and change everything next summer if QP isn't making the necessary progress. Honestly the QB transfer situation is one thing not unique to Virginia Tech and I don't think many coaches are going to be able to convince their backup QBs to stick around for 4/5 years. It produces a lot of anxiety and uncertainty for us fans (and I imagine for the coaches as well since their jobs depend on it), but there are going to be plenty of once highly-touted QBs available at some point over the next 17 months if Fuente feels compelled to go that route.

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Great prospect, but never panned out - mainly mental. HH couldn't grasp the offense fast enough or the moment. Sometimes kid go to college and can't handle it in spite of talent. I'm not saying that is the situation here, but I think everyone needs to get a rip on the new reality at QB. I hope he does well and figures it out.

This will happen almost every year at this position. We and everyone else will over-recruit, let the chips fall on playing time and development and many of those that fall behind will leave for other opportunities. Get ready to hit repeat.

I guess we need to find a way to blow out some teams this year. Feels like Willis being able to sit down in the second half for Patterson on a regular basis would be huge.

It would also be a lot more fun than this past season.

My liver would also be very appreciative.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I honestly don't hate it, simply because it's before signing day and, more importantly, before spring practice. That means we can grab a freshman/transfer for an emergency option andmore reps for Willis, who badly needs to figure out how to make reads in the run game. Furthermore, only splitting the reps in the spring between 2 guys (as opposed to 4 in fall camp of '18) means speeding up the development of QP.

Could suck severely if QP needs another year or if the injury bug bites, but again, I don't hate it at this moment. Best of luck to HH, talented player stuck between 2 other talented guys. Can't knock his decision.

spring game should be fun! show down of the 2 QBs cant hide anyone behind min. reps. theyre the only 2 we got. they've got to play. I say we do it old school. stand the 2 QBs next to each other and let them pick teams NBA all star/ probowl style. You guys want more fan engagement, you get to watch your QBs draft their team and then go at it for 4 quarters.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Let's be honest. We're all just upset because we were just looking forward to at least 2 years of Hooker puns.

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Got screwed and a hooker was involved...

Joking/puns aside, he has been a great hokie and I hope he lands somewhere with significant playing time.

Just thought about that...we no longer have a "hooker" or a "pimp"....good thing we dont have someone with the last name "blow"

I thought Pimp only went to high school at Virginia Tech...

I was originally very high on HH, so this is really disappointing, and 'QB Whisperer' is starting to look more like the exception than the rule. QB development has been pretty poor thus far, actually.

FWIW, someone on 247 posted over the season that the coaching staff had tried to significantly modify his throwing motion, and he'd basically lost every ounce of accuracy he had. I don't recall who exactly said it, but it was someone who had practice insight.

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Annnyyywayyy

Im not even going to post the stats because its pointless to do any work - ill just say this youre not even in the ballpark of accurate.

It's a Kevin Durant burner account situation!

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

I am just imagining him creating burners to override downvotes on his posts

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Is that how you worked your way to the top of the Turkey Legs Big Board?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

we all know it was with this glorious gif that he got to the top of the legs leader board.... completely changed TKP forever

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

So you're saying he got there with grit(ty) and determination?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

What stats could you cite? RW at Kansas vs VT?
Evans wasn't Fuente's doing. JJ was not good, then wasn't good for the few games we played this year. It's a serious reach if you're going to use Freshman Kansas stats as a baseline for RW. HH was here for 2 years and never even trusted to throw a pass, and QP is a complete question mark. We also didn't even recruit a QB this year.

Where am I off base for questioning how adequate our qb development has been?

A. How was Evans not Fuente's doing? He didn't just finish progressing at Junior College. If you're going to call him out for not developing QP in his only year with him then he should get credit for what he did in his only year with Evans. B. JJ's stats for a redshirt freshman were actually good. Maybe not to your standards but that's your issue, not his. C. You're ripping Fuente for qb development when you literally have no idea how QP has developed since he's been here. You're only point is Hooker is transferring after 2 years so Fuente's ability to develop qb's must suck.

Also can we keep garbage the belongs on 247 on 247. People acting like they have inside sources but literally not knowing what they're talking about can stay over there.

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And from my memory, during HH's recruitment his throwing motion was always the question mark. I wish it could have been corrected too, but I don't see where we can blame Fuente for not being able to fix something that was always a known problem.

Because narrowing down QB "guru" status of Fuente to 2 QBs who fit your criteria, one of which is still pending is disingenuous and ignores actual on field production.

Evans was picked out by Fuente ad set records here. To say he wasn't Fuentes doing is being dense. If Fuente recruited Trevor Lawrence and he tore it up freshman year youd say it wasn't Fuentes doing either since he was already good before he got here.

Also for the people that love throwing the guru word around. When did Fuente call himself a guru?

Because narrowing down QB "guru" status of Fuente to 2 QBs who fit your criteria, one of which is still pending is disingenuous and ignores actual on field production.

As disingenuous as never being allowed to question whether or not we have a staff who can recruit and develop a QB capable of winning the ACC because of Paxton Lynch?

Evans was Fuente's best recruiting job to date, in my eyes. That being said, it's impossible to say whether or not he 'developed' Jarod. If we're not going to recruit at a Trevor Lawrence level, we're going to need some solid qb development out of the staff. JJ wasn't that guy last year or this, Willis is TBD, and it is not encouraging to see HH, a 4* qb and maybe the most talented guy on the roster, not even get to the point where he could be trusted to make an attempt after 2 years in the program. QP, another 4* talent guy, has already been alluded to by the coaches that he wont be ready until 2020.

I'm not sure why I'm out of line for being a little skeptical here..

I would say that at this point every qb has played as good or better than expected under Fuente except for Hooker.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

The stars given these players in high school sure seem to be off at times. Hendon didn't look special on the field imo. Jerod did. My biggest concern, and I'm surprised that no one else hasn't stated it, is that QP may not be the player that everyone is expecting - he also did not appear to be special in his limited time on the field this year. I hope I'm wrong.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Not saying qp is gonna be Lamar jackson but man Lamar jackson looked awful his freshman year. Dont worry give the guy some time

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Agreed. Tyrod could barely throw a spiral until halfway through his junior year. Give our QB's some time.

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But....I watched every play Tyrol ever played. From play one he appeared special...with obvious talent/speed. His throwing was rough yeah. But the raw talent was evident. I haven't seen that on a hokie offense since Wilson. Tre showed some flashes though. Just my humble take.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

There are plenty of players who looked special and amounted to nothing. There are also plenty of players who looked mediocre (Paxton Lynch comes to mind) who never looked special, but just make the right decision more often than not.

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I hear you on the throwing and quarterbacking aspect. But I'm pretty sure Lamar never looked slow. His speed would be evidence of his later potential

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

maybe the most talented guy on the roster

That's quite a claim my dude.

+1.

Most ATHLETIC in the QB room, sure.

Why does Hokie football make me feel like I hit my thumb with a hammer lately?

I think this favors QP. Unless RW is worlds better I say we go with QP and get him experience

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I wish it were that simple. What have you seen from QP to make you believe he is better that Willis?

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Fuentes only mistake with QB management was not putting more effort into the 2019 class. If you take a guy every year, which we should, guys will transfer. Transfers are overblown.

All signs are pointed towards a QB competition over the summer and one I am fully expecting QP to win. Unless by some maracle JJ stays.

To me everyone abandoning ship now signals that they know QP is the real deal and ready to play sooner rather then later.

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If JJ could win the starting job he wouldn't have left

I don't know he was pretty "disrespected" by asking to even compete for it.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

QPs not winning this year

This appears the most logical take from what we've seen on field.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Biggest loss is the name related puns. He never got to be a starter to fully realize that potential.

I'm all in on whichever school signs General Booty anyway.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Wtf, I thought for sure that would be a made up name.

Now you know why I'm all in.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Liberty and Hugh Freeze look forward to welcoming you to the moral high ground.

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The jokes write themselves really.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hooker got us all excited and then just blew it.

In the end, it is important to know that Hooker was never a long term solution. At best you both go into it knowing that it will only last so long and that one person is going to leave feeling screwed. Best to move on early, and set your sights on something more stable and long term. You can always go back to another Hooker later.

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This was the transfer most of us were expecting. QP had passed him on the depth chart by the end of the season (when they played QP over HH at one point) It hurts our depth but a RS-Fr who is 3rd on the depth chart behind a younger guy is going to transfer. Missed eval or not, he needed more time and wasn't going to get it here with a chance to play. I hope nothing but the best for him.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I know people are going to disagree but looking around the ACC Willis has a very real chance to fight Bryce Perkins for QB2 after Lawrence.

I'm going to say this comment is close enough for me to unleash this rant I've been saving for a few days.

How in the world are people talking about Daniel Jones as a legitimate top 10 NFL draft pick? He started three seasons and managed to make a whopping zero All-ACC teams, including honorable mention. Want to know how bad that is? John Wolford was the 2nd team All-ACC QB in 2017. John freakin' Wolford. If any GM picks Daniel Jones in the top 10, it should trigger an immediate psychiatric evaluation for mental fitness and permanent revocation of his driver's license and voting rights. It's completely insane that it is even a remote possibility for Jones to go that early.

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Idk man, Daniel Jones is tall and white.

O god the Jags are going to draft him.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Or the Broncos..

And with their first pick in the 2019 Draft..the Washington Redskins select..

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First in, last out kinda guy.

Am I doing this right?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I don't get it at all, and it makes me think somehow I've only seen the games where he sucked out loud and missed his good performances.

He is the 2nd best returning QB in ACC based on the QBR stat.

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I don't know whether to make a QBR joke or a joke about the returning QBs.

TBF, the QBR stat is fine. It's better than QB passer rating for sure.

Also, TBF, that collection of ACC QBs is terrible. Compared to 2016, Evans had a better QBR than Willis, yet Evans was 7th best QB that year.

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2016 was the best year the ACC ever had, at least modern era, or will probably have for a while. This collection of ACC qbs is close to normal than 2016.

Considering transfer rate for QBs sits around 50% this is neither surprising or that alarming. Not taking a QB in the 2019 class wasn't a great move though. With JJ leaving, I thought Hooker might wait another year and go as a grad transfer. Though it might make more sense for him to sit out a year and learn the offense at a new school, vs what would probably be very limited action here.

I honestly thought he was going to move to TE or WR before he would have left. Very disappointed as I thought he had a lot of upside based on his HS tape. I thought he would run this offense better than QP.

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Yes, can confirm, this is only a Virginia Tech issue and not something all programs are dealing with in the first run of the Transfer Portal.

Or goes and reads numerous QB transfer articles going back over a decade even before the portal made it even easier.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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didnt PSU have like 12 guys in it?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Now that we are on the subject. Nick Saben lost the National Title and has a QB in the transfer portal. Maybe Alabama is done?

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They should let you export that table a little easier. If you could just download a csv of it, comparing transfer counts to and from programs would be stupid simple.

This should not be a surprise to anyone. Though it does make me question our ability to evaluate quarterbacks. Hendon Hooker was not permitted to throw a pass in a game. I have higher hopes for QP as he was permitted to pass. I am not 100% on the hype train because, again, this looks like a bad evaluation. Having said that, it's incredibly difficult to evaluate quarter backs in high school. Lawson is perfect example.

So far, I think that Loeffler is better at evaulating our QBs than Cornelsen has been...I think he prob initially recruited JJ as a favor to Jackson's dad...

I'm at a loss for words as to how could you possibly think that. Was it Chris Durkin, Andrew Ford, or Dwayne Lawson that swayed your opinion in favor of Loeffler?

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No it was, Brewer and Logan Thomas...Im of the opinion that Dwayne Lawson could have been a good QB..he had all the tools...

Couldn't the same be said of HH?

It could and I still think HH can be a good QB, but as it has been stated above, maybe the fit just isn't right...i wonder if Fu primarily works with the QBs or if he delegates that to Cornelsen.

Odd since Loeffler was hired in 2013 and Logan Thomas signed in the class of 2010. Also LT was mentioned as a potential 1st round draft pick after 2011. Under Loeffler's tutelage he became... a 4th round pick in 2014.

For what it's worth, I thought it was a stretch that LT was ever projected to go in the 1st round. Still I don't see how Loeffler would deserve much credit for 'developing' LT or starting him over Leal though.

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I think Lefty's offense was too complicated and the talent dropped off. Prob should have just stayed a QB coach. When Demetri Knowles is one of your top receivers....

While Loeffler certainly doesn't get credit for developing Logan, blaming him for his failures is just as bad. Not his fault that Logan's best receivers that year were Dimitri Knowles, Josh Stanford, Willie Byrn, and Kalvin Kline. That had to be the worst pass catching group in the ACC, which in turn really limits what you can do with a QB.

No arguments here that that receiving corp was truly horrendous. I was mostly responding to the idea that Loeffler was a better QB evaluator than Cornelsen/Fuente have been. I even said I didn't think Logan Thomas should have been expected to be a 1st rounder so I wasn't blaming Loeffler. And while I wouldn't say Loeffler was outstanding with QB development, he was better than Mike O'Cain.

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A bad eval because a r-freshman is transferring? I don't buy that at all. If he's still doing diddly squat as a r-junior or senior, then yeah he's a bust. We've gotten used to a small number of freshmen coming in and tearing it up, but they're the exception, not the rule.

He hasn't thrown a pass in a single game. In fact I think he only threw two or three in the spring game last year. I'll call it right here and right now. HH is not going to be a starting QB at a P5 school. He may not even be starting QB at a G5 school. His best play to date is a 69 yard run against an FCS team in garbage time. I'm not saying he need to be Lawrence or Tua but there's ample evidence he isn't even JJ.

Did you watch the spring game? He was better than JJ

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Apples to Oranges. But you know what? It doesn't matter if he's better in the spring game. What matters is how he performs in practice week to week and how he performs in real games.

We will have to agree to disagree on this, as I know you have been vocal against Hooker on multiple forums here. The fact is that he might not get a P5 chance or want more PT somewhere else, but he was the most athletic QB on the team, didn't look bad throwing the ball, and wasn't given much chance to. I think he would have been a much better fit than JJ, but alas we have neither and need to hope QP continues to progress to be ready by 2020 at the latest.

Nobody questions his athleticism. That doesn't mean he'll be a good QB. By this time, if he's really better than JJ, it should have been obvious on the field.

Is this on Whit Babcock for failure to "AD" properly, or is this on Justin Fuente for poor execution of his coaching? /s

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First and foremost, I'd like to take this opportunity to blame the support staff.

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A lot of comments here are saying this isn't surprising, but I disagree. I figured with JJ out of the picture that pretty much settled things. RW is a senior and even assuming QP is the real deal that would leave HH with a path where he's one rolled ankle away from significant playing time.

Yea. this transfer signifies that HH pretty much determined there was no way he could compete and beat out QP or RW. It was legitimately a 4-player competition before any transfer, and HH had 3 years of eligibility left. Now it's a 2-player competition with only QP player having more than 1 year of eligibility.

HH either left because he didn't like the situation (team, coach, locker room, whatever) or he believed he couldn't compete. Either reason is surprising to me.

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One rolled ankle is still a tougher path than he could find elsewhere.

and water is wet...

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You didn't see the news? Fun times on TKP were suspended during Week 4 of the 2018 season and have now decided to enter their name in the transfer portal.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I thought fun times were suspended last offseason.

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I know not this silliness of which you speak.

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Eh, me too. But what do we expect? TKP in some ways is a distillation of what Hokie Nation is feeling. Losing sucks. Losing isn't fun. We aren't used to losing seasons and especially not losing in the ways we did in 2018. I am completely not shocked about how this community's general attitude has changed over the last 12 months or so. But I still think it's better and more fun than any of the other options for online venting regarding the state of the program. Here's to hoping the 2019 season provides ample reasons to make TKP great again....

Just a thought: he said he is entering his name, not that he is transferring. McClease appears to be staying after entering his name. The timing is a little odd. So, what are the chances that he is only testing the waters? He would have to sit a year so maybe he is trying to see what offers are out there and balancing that with maybe revisiting as a grad transfer next year. McClease had shown that there is a way to enter the portal and stay.

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Maybe he is testing the waters to see if there are legitimate QB opportunities out there for him before switching positions to take advantage of his athleticism. Kind of like a David Sills situation.

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That is my hope, because honestly if I were him I would have stayed another year as either a backup or different position, gotten my degree and then could transfer with 2 years remaining to anywhere. Instead if he leaves he has to sit a year.

Here's my hot take. Willis will be on a nfl roster after his senior season. Big arm, tall, mobile.....guy has everything that scouts are looking for. The haters on him not being able to run a RPO correctly are not seeing that this kid is dripping with NFL talent. Not saying he gets drafted, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he goes day two. He'll definitely sign an nfl contract after next year. Hot take over.

I think you forgot "/S"

Is it basketball season yet?

Definitely not. Save my comment and talk to me after the 2020 draft. He'll sign an nfl contract whether that's through the draft or free agency. He'll get a look no doubt.

Edit: just a reminder that Grant Noel got an nfl contract with the ravens after not starting his senior season and this kid is way faster, way bigger arm, taller, and most likely will be a starter his senior year. So my hot take isn't too hot to be honest. His "RPO" reads in our system have zero bearing on his NFL prospects.

I can see it happening, especially if he shows out at his Pro Day or gets a Combine invite. He has the measurables that NFL GMs love.

I can also see NFL GMs holding Paxton Lynch's failure against Fuente QBs (i.e. does the system make the QB look better than he is).

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A lot is going to depend on how hard Ryan works this offseason, how much better he gets at all the mental aspects, and how much he matures.

Ryan has a fiery competitive mentality on the field. If that competitive spirit propels him this offseason, he has a real shot at having a special season. His supporting cast is pretty good too.

I love how legitimate criticism that has been backed up from numerous French breakdowns over the course of a season now labels you a "hater". Willis was awful at running the read option this year. The tapes show it. It's up to him to correct that if he wants to have a long term future here at VT. And considering how many NFL teams are moving toward the read option and RPO, he'll probably need to fix that if he wants to be anything more than a practice squad QB in the bigs.

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so youre saying hes Nathan petterman 2.0?

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I was just kidding I actually like RW. but having all the measurable and not being able to make the right read will leave you in a world of hurt in the league where the Ds are much more complex and he wont be running down any DBs out there to save the day.

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but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he goes day two.

A 2nd or 3rd round pick? That would surprise the hell out of me.

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While it seems insane, it might not be as farfetched as you might think. Josh Allen was not very productive at Wyoming and was drafted 7th overall because he's 6'5" with a strong arm and fairly athletic. Daniel Jones was not very productive at Duke and is being projected in the top 10 because he's 6'5" with a solid arm, somewhat athletic, and was coached by David Cutcliffe.

Ryan Willis is 6'4" with a solid arm and good athleticism. His draft stock could easily rise over the next year.

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RW is going to put up some numbers next year with the schedule too. Seems likely very possible he'll break Jerods single season TD record

if it does, I'll enjoy 2019 season a whole let better than 2018.

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This is pure deprhnbeing!!!!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

The more I think about it, the more the Portal becomes a great feedback tool for evaluating your recruiting efforts.

The students that enter their names in there are not happy for one reason or another, and the better the staff starts to understand those reasons, the better they will become at addressing those issues earlier.

For instance, McClease was retained, now Fuente can really try to uncover why he was thinking about it in the first place, and hopefully figure out a way to make the program better for him.

You can't keep everyone happy, but now at least there will be some data on how many are unhappy, and hopefully, they will keep track of reasons why and improve as a whole.

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True. Makes it easier to leave, but also can give you some warning signs.

I agree if this is the way it works going forward, but I would imagine theyll put something in place or changes.

As of this morning 247 Transfer Portal ( which I know isnt concrete numbers) had 270 players listed.

Is that more or less than previous years? I dont really know - but it feels like a lot.

I would also like to point out, looking through it - Podcast Aint Played Nobody gave VT and Fuente a heavy hand, "somethings going on at Virginia Tech, really big problems they are having" - "Oh Penn State is fine, its just kids leaving who were behind on the depth chart"...There are a bunch of schools with A LOT of players leavings, starters as well or highly touted recruits, I think its pretty unfair to label only Tech having what must be a problem with the coach and everyone else is just regular attrition, just the sheer volume says otherwise.

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I wonder if the volume of players entering the portal because the portal makes it easier is like a player testing the waters to go pro. Just because you're putting out feelers to see where you might go in the draft doesn't mean you will necessarily leave. Likewise, just because a player enters the portal doesn't guarantee they will find another school and leave.

Anyway, I think we'll be okay.

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1. I can only believe this means that the hype about QP is somewhat justified because it seems unlikely Hooker and JJ would transfer if he hadn't passed both of them.

2. If 1 is true, then we have a better 1,2 combo at QB than we have had in a long time. 3 high quality QBs is not something very many, if any, teams have.

I have some inside #sauces that the QBs are all jumping ship because the writing is on the wall that QP will be the starter next year. They are going to have a spring battle, but the staff/players all think QP is the real deal and ready to take the reigns.

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Sooooo now we go from this season will be a disaster to buying CFP tickets, right?

If true, this shouldn't surprise anyone given his recipe for success at Memphis

You could be 100% accurate. I just don't understand how that writing got on that wall and why JF wouldn't insist to both JJ and HH that it's an open competition.

Maybe JF doesn't want that wide open so to confine the reps to just QP and RW in spring practice? Idk.

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Every kid will have his reasons for transferring. I'm sure Fuente told them it would be an open competition, but I wouldn't doubt it at all if he was honest in his evaluations and where he was thinking that competition would end up. From all accounts we've heard Fuente is a straight shooter and won't promise guys things. If it's true in recruiting it would be even more true in giving the players already with you an honest answer/evaluation of the situation.

On the flip side, from experience, a player probably already knows before that evaluation what the evaluation is going to be. These guys aren't stupid and can see the writing on the wall. I'm not sure who was taking the second team reps in practice, but generally, due to the time constraints with practice in season the starter takes about 80% of the reps and the backup gets the rest. The third string guy may get a few, but it is very minuscule if at all. If QP while planning to redshirt was taking or splitting those 2nd team reps after Jackson went down, then Hooker and JJ would take big notice.

Edit: meant as a reply to Chazz

accordingly to JF, HH was 2nd string when JJ went down. Maybe things changed during bowl practice. Idk, the whole process has been pretty opaque to really determine if there was any writing on the wall.

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Talked to someone who would know this stuff as good as anyone, this weekend. He said HH didn't like that he was told he had to compete for the job and he felt like it was his time to be starting.

My response to that was confusion and I said everyone has to compete no matter who they are and he said, "yup that's what I think too".

Also gave me a personal Travon account that was bananas.

Also saw Travon on Saturday night with a bunch of the players, unless my eyes deceived me. Pretty sure it was him.

I'm assuming you mean Trevon as in Hill and not Travon as in McMillian.

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That is correct. I meant Trevon.

Also gave me a personal Travon account that was bananas.

... Can you share the Trevon Hill story? lol

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I'd betray his trust if I outed it. He asked that I not say. But it freaking pains me to not spill it lol.

I will say this, NO ONE should doubt him being kicked off the team if they don't have all of the information. It has also taught me not to be so judgemental looking from the outside in on other issues with the program.

Fwiw: there was a thread on TKP saying QP should start next season. From what I heard I think that's very unlikely. It's Willis unless he gets hurt.

Please come back to this thread and tell us after his first game in another uniform.

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As someone who knows - probably not for the best.

So, I'm hearing that HH is likely staying put, now? Is that now the consensus?

Consensus? First time hearing it.

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Yeah that's what a friend who follows all of this is saying. No idea if it's true or not, just sorta wondering.

If that's the case, it's huge for future recruiting in the Greensboro area.

I am still hoping he was testing the QB transfer waters before maybe considering a switch to TE or WR. I think his frame and athletic skills are a lot of value to tech even if he never plays QB.

Which is disappointing as I wanted him to be the QB for next year when he first arrived.

He is a QB or bust. Just because he has size doesn't mean he can play another position. His frame is a long and lean type player. He wouldn't fit at TE and he is not a receiver due to no real skills or experience in terms of running routes, catching the ball etc (at all). You know - all the things required to even be decent.

he is not a receiver due to no real skills or experience in terms of running routes, catching the ball etc (at all).

Is this based on anything substantive? The history of QBs converting to WRs suggests that many can convert rather easily, due to knowing route maps.

The list includes Anquan Boldin, Julian Edelman, Hines Ward, Antwan Randel-El, Randall Cobb, Logan Thomas (TE, but still can run routes and catch), etc. The list of failed conversions is also long too, so I don't think a conclusion can be made unless it's based on knowledge regarding the particular individual and situation.

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Don't forget Buckey Hodges. Hodges played QB in high school and iirc was recruited as a QB.

Brad Smith, Braxton Miller, Terrelle Pryor, etc etc etc... the list is long. The best athletes generally play QB when they are younger.

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It's almost as if elite athletes are often capable of picking up other athletic skills quickly huh? Or they have those skills the whole time, but because they're placed into a particular role, never get to show them off.

Listing a bunch of other guys who were good athletes doesn't mean it applies to HH. He doesn't want to play another position and all of those guys you mentioned were elite athletes. HH is a good athlete, but not elite. He has always played QB and any position changes would be a measure of desperation not optimism due to a skill-set.

Never underestimate a competitor. He is a fine athlete so let's not sell him short.

I have been very critical of HH and am not convinced he'll ever start at QB. HOWEVER, he's far better than just a good athlete.

#8 and #16 are both defensive backs (I know, they're FCS but still) and are struggling to keep up with a guy that's 6'4" 225lbs. He BURNED their entire team. It wasn't even close.

Wait, we haven't killed a Hooker yet?

2 things. 1. no one has asked him to switch positions. 2. he was hoping to be able to play right away. posted this in another thread but these are JUST rumors at this point. no creditable source. from what ive heard he doesn't want to sit a year. he thought he was close to having enough credits to play right away. He feels another year at VT would be more beneficial to his future than transferring out into another program right now because the interest shown has not been on a level hed wished for. Another year in VTs system whether he plays or not and then being eligible to start the following year is better than going to a less than program and sitting a year anyways and then either staying on at said less than program or trying to find another new home. this speaks a little bit to our coaching staff at the very least at the QB position and preparing kids.

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That was my opinion as well when it was first announced he was looking at leaving. Another year and he probably graduates.

If he does come back, I am curious if he and McLease both go backwards on the depth chart just on principal alone? That's what I've seen implied about McLease, but doesn't seem right to me if they just looked around at their options but didn't miss any time or workouts with VT.

Both are welcomed back on the team. They will need to buy into the new focus and attitude of the team which shouldn't be hard since they weren't really part of that big mess. Still have a lot of work to do though.

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When you were in the bathroom = metaphor for the offseason purging this awful season from memory?

She probably snagged your wallet while you were in the John 😱

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I think if you get a hooker, you are the John.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

They generally don't leave until you settle up.

I've honestly forgotten was supposed to be leaving at this point so I thought this was new news lol.

Oh the roller coaster you must have been on

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....wait.

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Can we get Hooker to change positions, maybe let him take some balls as a receiver?

I'm fairly confident the phrasing was intentional.

Well, yeah. But would be wrong not to point it out.

I like cut of your jib, key...

Does phrasing even exist on TKP?

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i just don't want to see Hooker change positions then get shafted again.

Ummm, why?

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Seriously HH coming back? Bad bad, not good.

First of all, if HH couldn't hook up with FSU, the thinnest QB room in the nation, by now, it means he is pretty much an unwanted player. I assumed he would go SOMEWHERE as a QB, maybe a level or two down and I still think that is his best option. Staying here and changing positions is almost career suicide, he has spent two years as a QB and now wants to compete against guys at other positions with skills and experience? And having the stigma of being a portal guy.......The references to him becoming a receiver are nonsense, he would be so deep on the depth chart you couldn't find him.

This is not a good situation. I think it is best for him and VT if he goes the portal route.

Beam him down to FCS Scottie.

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I could actually feel myself getting dumber as I read this.

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No mention of converting to tight end.

He is a Hokie. He is always wanted in Blacksburg. Not everybody sees the field in Blacksburg, but everybody leaves some kind of impact on the school and the town. We don't turn out one of our own.

I see what you did there..

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I think he could add even more weight and be a beast at H-back with his speed and athleticism. Double H-Back pop pass to Rambo who laterals to Hooker for a 78 yard run against Clemson in the ACCCG to send the Hokies to the playoff in 2020. You heard it here first.

Also I upvoted because there shouldn't be downvotes for opinions, despite yours being unpopular.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Why are people downvoting this? Sure people feel it's a dumb opinion but it's not offensive or anti-social or anything like that.

Calling Hooker an unwanted player is one reason he is justifiable being downvoted.

Criticizing any (football) player who ever played at or considered coming to VT is a capital offense on TKP. The worry is that we won't be considered a loyal enough fan base, so the pack attacks anyone who breaks this rule.

I once said that I hoped a player who went to Clemson instead of VT didn't have a good career (not wished for injury or misfortune mind you, just that he didn't have a good career), and I got -30 downvotes. I don't even remember who the player was, but I think it might be one of 2 or 3 comments I've made that was downvoted. This will likely be #3 or 4.

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Criticizing any (football) player who ever played at or considered coming to VT is a capital offense on TKP.

This is false. Constructive criticism that generates intelligent discussion is always welcomed and appreciated. Saying that a player who is not an issue in the locker room and has never had any legal/academic issues is not welcome does not fal into any of these categories.

If you think he's the worst qb in the room, and his scholarship should be allocated elsewhere, then make an intelligent argument.

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You're right, my comment was too much of a broad generalization.

I should have said showing anything perceived as disloyalty is a capital offense. Which in a way, I totally get. I just think sometimes it's taken too far. The whole "Once a Hokie always a Hokie" thing seems schmaltzy to me.

For instance, I really liked Josh Jackson. He was a good player, and he had a decent chance to be our starting QB in 2019. But once he transfers, he'll be a Terp. Not a Hokie. I think people need to understand that.

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Josh Jackson graduated from Virginia Tech just like me. He went elsewhere for graduate school just like me. Josh Jackson is a Hokie. Full stop.

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Jeez, this righteous indignation is what I'm talking about.

Josh Jackson played football at Virginia Tech. He was very good. I liked him, and enjoyed watching him play. Next fall he will play for the University of Maryland, and he will be a former Hokie. And I will still like him.

If stating those facts makes you defensive, you might be taking this shit a little too seriously.

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He graduated from Virginia Tech. It's not being defensive man, it's pointing out your horrifically flawed logic.

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If you're entitled enough to look down on someone because they once did good things for our university and then went elsewhere to help another university do good things, you might be taking this shit a little too seriously

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Oo, internet scuffle. On the one hand I don't really consider a downvote an attack. It's a way of saying I don't agree, and it doesn't have to be malicious. On the other hand, this site has pretty specific guidelines about when to downvote, which exist for good reason (à la Black Mirror).

I don't think the original post met the criteria for a downvote, as specified in the guidelines, therefore... downvotes for everyone! Obligatory this will probably get me downvotes statement.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Completely disagree. JJ has a degree, and I will forever remember being at FedEx field watching him ball out and help us beat the hated 'Eers and break the FedEx curse.

He's transferring because he wants to play. I'm glad he's doing what he wants.

It wasn't a broad generalization, it just didn't add anything intelligent or witty to the discussion. A better example of a comment would have been:

"I'd like to see the staff take away HH's scholarship and use it elsewhere. Since we signed a quality QB in this class, we no longer have a need at QB. We do have a need at X position, and players A, B, and C are all still available in the transfer portal."

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I think you're confusing my comment with lewiswb's. I'm glad Hooker is coming back. He's young, and I think he still has a shot to develop into a quality contributor at QB.

I'm just defending the right to have a different opinion (even if it's unpopular) without getting downvoted.

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Ah, my apologies!

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I guess, but that seems kind of arbitrary to me. I would say it's hyperbole to suggest that no one wants him (who's to say he even necessarily wanted to go to FSU). But, it would be fair to suggest that he expected a little more love from other schools or he wouldn't be returning, no?

I don't deny it looks like he didn't get the attention he wanted in the portal but to say he is unwanted is completely uncalled for. Our coaches recruited him and wanted him to be a part of this team. They thought he had potential to contribute to this team. I really dislike the mentality that a lot of people have right now that if a player doesn't contribute immediately that they are bust or we should make room for someone else. I was at Tech from 2001 to 2004 and Bryan Randall didn't look good those first few years but, damn, that 2004 season where he finally put it all together was a thing a beauty. I guess I just really dislike how some freshmen have taken college football by storm lately and everybody thinks that should be the case all of the time. That is the exception and player development is a thing and we should give these kids a time to realize their potential.

Hooker is a human, you might not agree w/ what he does.

Even if he does perform for us, Hooker is still busting his ass for our entertainment.

Right? He knows our offense...he's a solid QB option - glad he's still going to be in the QB room.

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I'm no fan of the emergence of the Portal's prominence, but don't think there should be a stigma associated with it. Maybe not HH, but many probably enter it based on feedback from coaches. The reality is the free agency factor of the portal is the next evolution of what has happened with youth and HS sports over the past 15-20 years. With the preeminence of travel sports, AAU, private HS options and Academys, the loyalty to school and community is greatly diminished, and kids learn at a young age that they are free agents at the end of every season. Time to move on to a new team if things are not going as well as they would like. Not true for all, but a sea change in youth and HS sports that we now see in the Portal at college level.

I'm surprised Hugh Freeze didn't give Hooker a chance, he's given every other Hooker a chance

I thought he would have had his number on speed dial

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If you don't think it's important to have a Plan B, just look at the Duke-UNC game. Zion broke his rubber and couldn't finish.

If your rubber breaks and you do still finish, probably good to have Plan B...

Might need a plan C or D if you are dealing with a Hooker

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Article in today's Richmond Times (Mike Barber) mentions Willis and QP as the only QBs left in the room. It was reported that HH was expected to play elsewhere next year.

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Sure, right. While I don't doubt that someone here might know more than everyone else about just about anything, I'm still one of those old farts who tends to believe the professionals and still believes most of what I read in the newspapers that's not in the Opinions section. 'Til then, I'll believe he's gone until we know he isn't.

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You read newspapers?

Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi. Tech, Tech, V.P.I.
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Ray, Rah, V.P.I. Team! Team! Team!

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You don't? Why not?

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And...you were right! I believe it now that I've read it in the (online) Roanoke Times. The papers are slower, perhaps, but they'll get there.

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Been gone for a month or two and forgot just how off topic these threads get.

Yeah, I was never a big fan of Hot Topic clothing. Apparently it is still around though...

Serious question - do players like McClease or HH entering the portal and then deciding not to transfer have the potential to cause a distraction or add a toxic element to the locker room? McClease way less so, given his quick turnaround on the decision to portal... but if HH is publicly saying he wants to ride it out at VT for one more year and then portal in 2020? It seems like that has potential to be a bad thing for the locker room or to even sell others on going to the portal with him. Yes, I understand having talent is always a good thing on the team, and that even if he wouldn't start he can provide depth and potentially lead the practice squad, or is one hit away from starting, but it seems like this situation could have some negative effects as well.

Honestly it shouldn't. It should be treated as if they were placing their name in the nfl draft, not getting the reception they had hoped, and decided to come back to improve their stock. Entering the transfer market should be seen as the players trying to do everything they can to make their dream of playing at the next level a reality. If a player feels like they can get more playing time to make that happen elsewhere then we should support them. They are doing what is best for them. And if they realize that the decision they made was wrong then we should welcome them back. That's the whole point of college right? To give you an opportunity to make something of yourself after you leave. Hopefully the coaches and other players feel the same way.

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Potential? Yes, but I would think it would be a case-by-case basis and dependent on why the individual's name was entered into the transfer portal. For example, Trevon Hill coming back would likely be received very differently than Hendon Hooker.

It probably also depends on why the individual returns. If teammates are pulling him back to the team, then that's likely going to be positive for the locker room.

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I think it all depends on his point of view:

  1. Not expecting significant playing time for VT in 2019; on the VT team just for practice reps, and already planning on leaving after the 2019 season.

    This situation would mean there is not a mutual investment in the future performance of the VT team and HH. Why would the staff use limited practice reps to develop a player to use that development with another program? There appears little upside for VT other than an insurance policy if 2 QB are injured at the same time.

    or

  2. Returns to VT just like every other player on the team and will reevaluate his future after the 2019 season just like every other player on the team.

    If he believes VT is the right place for him moving forward, glad to have him in the program.

There could be other points of view too.

I trust Fuente and his assessment related to the commitment level of the players on his team. Taking players back from the portal demonstrates genuine concern about the people involved.
All players pulling in the right direction is important; even the bench players and scout team effect the persona of a team and contribute to immediate success.

Looking at Hendon's Tweets he has not said anything negative or damaging to himself, his teammates, the program or the University. I imagine he probably conducts himself in a similar manner on campus.

I don't think Fuente is a petty guy and probably understands why guys transfer (he was a transfer himself). I would assume that that relationship is intact.

His relationships with his teammates are probably also okay.

His relationships with the University seems fine. No problem there.

Lastly, his relationship with the fanbase seems fine as well.

I think in keeping with the 1-0 mentality the team and coaches are going to focus on the tasks at hand and not waste time trying to figure out if any one guy is going to transfer and in doing so alter their plans for the season. Every season is different, every season has its challenges.

The only things I would say to Hooker are welcome back. If you weren't giving it your all, get back in there and make every second count. Give the guys a run for their money even if you don't think you have a chance at starting this year.