2021 Racing Thread

Guess what week it is y'all!? I really hope we get to go to some races this year. Hard to believe the last one I attended was last years Daytona. I'm so happy to have it back, this winter has been the worst.

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Whew. Was beginning to worry this thread wasn't gonna get made lol feels like yesterday we were down there for the races. Can't wait!

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Maybe you NASCAR guys will watch a little more IndyCar this year with Jimmie Johnson in the mix going for rookie of the year.

I watch all racing. I follow Indy it's just not that much fun on TV.

I hope Jimmie is able to do well there. It would give it a little more crossover from the NASCAR fans. That's

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Wish I could get down to Sebring for the IMSA races again this year but both COVID and my work schedule aren't going to allow it.

I'm excited F1 season gets rolling in a little over a month. Sir Lewis just signed a single year contact so 2022 is really going to be a year to watch.

Fellow f1 fan checking in. Completely agree that the 2022 season with new regs should be extremely interesting. I am definitely here for all the driver reshuffling that just took place!

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Pretty odd that Hamilton only signed a 1yr deal with Mercedes. It will be interesting to see if he makes a move next year, maybe to try and silence doubters that 6 of his titles are only because he drives the best car.

check out IMSA at Virginia International Raceway August 20-22

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Oh man. I'm ready. Haven't been in two years because my Pancreas exploded and then the pandemic. I really cannot wait to go back.

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Really looking forward to the new schedule this year. With the additional road courses, it'll be great to see if anyone can compete with Chase. Last year was a lot of fun. Hoping to see the #12 break through.

Druckenmiller the shotgun snap, fakes short, fires it deep into the end zone it is....caught! It is caught for a touchdown by Jermaine Holmes with 47 seconds left!

Same. Something I hadn't really thought of until now, this is kind of a put up or shut up year...for the fans. Almost everybody has been clamoring and begging for a changeup in the schedule for years. Screaming for more road courses (Nascar really outdid themselves on this front), short tracks (ehh...we got dirt at Bristol for a year, I can't fathom them going thru with this every year forever unless they just absolutely set the woods on fire with the spring race), less "cookie cutter tracks." Nascar's fanbase, whether it's the majority or extremely loud, whiny minority, complain...a lot. We have no excuse not to show up in droves this year because Steve Phelps has stepped out on a big ass limb.

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We didn't get more short track races, though, they just converted one to dirt. I was really hoping when the dirt race was being teased that it would be a 3rd visit to Bristol, not replacing one of the existing two. We will get a new short track in SoCal whenever they get around to reconfiguring Auto Club Speedway, but I would imagine that'll only be one race a year, increasing the total from 6 to 7. Not nearly as crazy as doubling the number of road course races on the schedule (triple from where it was like 3 or 4 years ago).

If you all are interested, I work at VIR and I'm sure we could organize a "VT area", or something like that, for the IMSA race in August? This would first depend on COVID protocols at that time. If you get me a headcount, I could organize a tent, catering, etc on our hospitality row.

If you haven't been, VIR is a real gem for VA and we're still trying to get the word out there. Don't take my word for it, ask those that have been or pick up this months CAR and DRIVER, it's Lightning Laps edition is done there.

I got a group of boys that would love that.

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Just opened your profile. Hey Mike! Happy your are on TKP. We have met you up there a few times. We like riding around in the highly decorated golf carts. We camp in hog pen with a pool.

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Oh yeah, I now know EXACTLY who you are. LOL

We'll see if others want to meet up and even if we just come up with a spot to enjoy a few drinks together (maybe around the Pavillion) that would be cool

Our notoriety very much excites me just so you know.

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Heck of a finish to the Busch Clash. FKB tho.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

By God what a great Clash. I am itching. I want to see some cars in person pronto.

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For a reason I can't remember, I wasn't able to watch but like the last couple laps of the summer date there last year. I do not remember that course being that damn long.

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Love to see them wrecking on the last lap! Exciting! Maddy D top 10 (10th). Go 21.

Go Hokies

Cars on track every day now till Sunday! I have some money left over in fanduel sports book since that needs to be blown. I unfortunately am thinking about putting it all on KFB.

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Meh

Forecast is not looking awesome tonight.

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Dammit, I haven't even looked. Too much looking at the forecast here

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It has since cleared up. Turns out, Florida weather is unpredictable! Who knew?!

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First Duel pretty calm. Buckle up.

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Happy Daytona Day everybody! I'd kill to be down there right now.

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I'm having power and internet issues. Lack there if that is. I fixed the power one but I haven't learned how to generate my own internet yet.

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Same. Power is back, but internet is down...chomping down on some data on the ol iPad right now.

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I'm back up but I couldn't even use the cell network. I guess everyone on it had it jammed up

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Annnd now a red flag due to lightening. Looks exactly like it did last year. Sigh. Maybe it stays west of the track.

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What a 24 hours it has been. But I have power, internet, and late night racing!

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They really are going to run dirt track cup race at Bristol? Also why do they want more road races those are the woorrssttt.

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I guess it depends on your point of view. The general consensus for years was that road courses suck, and the reason for that was that there were only two different tracks and these specialist drivers (such as Borris Said) would come out of the would work and dominate them. They were in areas that didn't draw a big NASCAR crowd, and they were hard to watch because you only got to see the cars for a few seconds every 4 minutes.

These days, because IMSA is now owned by NASCAR, they are really able to make these road courses more fun to watch. The new drivers have a more diverse road background, and therefore drivers that can dominate on the ovals are also able to dominate on the road courses. Chase Elliott for example. Also since the introduction of the ROVAL at Charlotte, they have proven how much fun the oval road courses are. They have the advantage of other tracks, as you can see most of the circuit from the stands. They have also really gone leaps and bounds to make these fan immersive experiences. I can attest that watching cars come out of the Bus Stop at Daytona and going into turns 3 and 4 is quite exhilarating.

Circuit of the Americas was added this year, and that should prove to spice it up a bit more. We are still holding out for an event at VIR in the coming years. I personally believe they could do either the truck or Xfinity series there the same weekend the race is at Martinsville. Takes a little heat off the infrastructure at Martinsville but is still close enough for everyone to enjoy.

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Having never been to a NASCAR race, would the COTA race be worth attending? It's a great track for F1 and WEC but I don't know if stock cars would even make it through the esses πŸ˜…

I've never watched a single race at COTA that I can think of...but yeah, go. If you can't have a good time at a Nascar race there's something wrong with ya. Only "road course" race I've ever been to was the Roval in 2019 and it was great.

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We will all find out together hahaha. It's a classic racing track, so should be fun either way? I would go if I had the chance for sure.

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Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I kinda stopped watching after a while because the racing on the "intermediate" tracks had gotten so stale, and even Bristol was getting a bit boring (blasphemy, I know), but tuned in for the first Charlotte Roval race a few years back and it pulled me back in. I still don't really like the racing on most of the intermediate tracks, but the road courses have some of the best action and interesting strategies that I've seen from NASCAR in years. I'm definitely looking forward to the new additions to the schedule.

My god how awesome! What a race. I love seeing small times win the 500! Front Row Motorsports!

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Figured it would be a wild finish. I took a slight nap and woke up to watch the 2nd stage and final. Wife bet on the 34 in a race pool due to where she drew a number. I had 11 as an odds favorite and told her to take 34 as he is good on speedways and that new package. Never thought it would happen though. Wild finish and underdog winning is great to me!

talk about the parting of the sea... the 2 one way, the 22 the other, and the 34 right up the middle. LOVE'S it!

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Not sure what races Nascar folks are planning on going to this year. I do both Dega races. They just emailed today no tent camping or camper unless it is an RV style all contained. Same thing for upcoming Atlanta race. I'm headed to the dirt track on Bristol and am pumped for it. Haven't had anything saying they are cancelling that camping as of yet.

I was seriously worried that the truck race was never going to end last night.

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Anyone watch the Aussie Supercars? I usually try and catch the highlights, but make sure to watch the full races at Mount Panaroma like this weekend... what a crazy track.

Hand up, only thing I know about the v8 supers is Marcus Ambrose and that time Pastrana flipped violently and as mic'd up throughout.

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VIR's date now conflicts with the Notre Dame game.

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Mike Joy is gonna piss his pants saying that in the broadcast.

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Ok we are past the boring slump after Daytona and now on to the fun stuff. Really looking forward to watching the Bristol dirt stuff. Wish I could be there.

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Drive to Survive season 3 continued the impressive run for the series. Just what I needed to get amped up for the Sunday return of F1.

Welp, rain and dirt don't mix too well. Bahrain looked sexy as hell under the lights, though. Happy to have F1 back tomorrow morning!

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Can this finally be the year Mercedes doesn't dominate?... nah, probably not. Don't care though, the major reshuffle of drivers will make things spicy for the midfield.

Well sucked with the rain in Bristol but the F1 race was amazing. So nice to actually have a battle at the front late in the race for once and Max almost pulled it off. It is looking like Red Bull will actually take the fight the Mercedes this year and I definitely hope that is the case as there really has not been a battle for the last 7 years of Mercedes dominance. Ferrari looked improved as well, and that could potentially be a great battle with McLaren for 3rd. The fist race definitely gives me hope for a competitive season.

Barring some wild misfortune, I suspect Red Bull will win at Imola. I think you're right about the level of competition being elevated this year. I think Ferrari, Red Bull, and McLaren have the stuff to really make things exciting and make it less of a Merc show every weekend.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Also shout out to Perez with a heck of a drive (again) from last to 5th. So excited to see some good racing all across the field this year

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I have a feeling this is going to get canceled, unfortunately. They were not prepared for this.

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Second highest 48 hour total in recorded history. LOTS of rain. All flowing downhill.

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Yes, when Noah built the Ark he did it in the parking lot of a NASCAR race because he knew for sure that if it was going to rain that's where it would start.

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ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Already down to pavement on the "dirt race" in Bristol. Are they going to add more dirt to the track during the race?

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That's not pavement my man. They are actually laying down rubber on the dirt. The depth of that dirt where you are thinking it is pavement is around 5 feet.

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Welp, I loved that!

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I'm hoping at some point they consider doing this at Martinsville. I think the flat corners would make it that much more interesting.

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NO! Martinsville was dirt when it was first built. It's gotten better over the years since. Some things do not need to go back to their roots!

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Lol as someone who grew up there and whose earliest memories are of that track, I'm ok with them doing it.

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I just happen to know a company that would be happy to oblige lol but I think I can promise that will never happen

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It won't. However I said that about them adding lights too!

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Come on man. As much fun as those grass and clay parking lots are after a big rain, you don't want to move some of that stuff inside the track?

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I thought it was pretty awesome as well. Great move on NASCAR's part to already announce next year's Bristol spring race will be on dirt. I think it brought a lot of eyes to NASCAR that don't normally watch, including mine.

Our group had to deal with the rain, change camping spots as they told us our spot would flood (and did), and losing a number of canopies to wind damage I would go back to that dirt race in a heartbeat. Was a ton of fun. Getting back home at 2 a.m after the race Monday and getting straight back to work was rough. Hopefully tv did it justice.

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Is anyone partying at Martinsville?

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Two hot dogs down during the pre-race. The jet dryers make for a beautiful tool to cool the food down.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Enjoying my bag of pickled eggs and half gallon of tea. Ready for hotdog insomnia later.

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What the heck has happened to Allmendinger?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Broke a shock I think and dragging the front splitter.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Whole lotta rain coming thru. Martinsville races and rain go together like Cornelson and Jet Sweeps.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Noah built the Ark in the parking lot of a NASCAR race

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Lol we gonna get this in tonight? Will be 12:30 at least before the track is dry.

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Looked so much like Bristol. I have been slowly catching up on sleep and chores since that crazy weekend with the flooding. Spring time races are so dicey with the weather on the east coast. Be a long day with the Masters and racing tomorrow if it all pans out right.

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Perfectly summed up. Me and the wife gambled that it would be ran tomorrow and didn't even drive up. As much as I hate it...that's what I'm rooting for.

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I think it's going to get started. Track looks good and there is a small window. But they won't get to half way.

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Would've killed for a later caution...but that was a good race in my book. Truex has turned into a short track hero. I picked him to win in the finishline (think it's like "jackpot races" app now) and blamo, he delivered. Brad and Kyle Busch had unfortunate days.

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Jimmie Johnson did not look too bad in his debut yesterday despite finishing 19th after a late spin almost knocked him out of the race (fortunately he was on a down slope and was able to roll start the car). Looking like the Indycar series is going to be super competitive this year overall.

F1 race in Imola was also a great race. It will be a full on battle for once this year between Hamilton/Verstappen and Mercedes/Rebull.

BOOM. If you're gonna lead a lap all day, best make it the last one!

Note: haaate that for Matty D. Man I wanna see him so bad.

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Yeah. Matty D was in literally a no win position there.. Stuart would have been hoping had he been able to pull it off.

The first race I got to see live since 2019 at TMS yesterday got off to a wild start. It was nice to get out to the track though.

BIG fan of the NextGens. Idk if it was the design (or lack thereof) on the Camry, but it didn't quite pop as well as the Camaro and nowhere near as much as the Mustang. My dad had to run by Martinsville Speedway one day a few weeks ago and they were having a very sneaky test and he said they sound badder than hell as well. Can't wait to see them in action.

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Gonna comment on this before I forget: what the hell was Redbull's thinking behind their pit strategy late? Obviously, Lewis was on a rampage behind them. Why not pit when you're still 20 laps ahead and give yourself even a 1% chance of catching him? Instead, wait until he inevitably passes you with 5 laps to go (blowing your doors off) then pit?

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I think they were hoping that Max was going to be able to hold off Lewis. Once that went by the wayside, Red Bull went for the fastest lap championship point, hence Max going on to the softs even though they weren't the "best" tire today, just the fastest.

Once it went by the wayside, I get the laps gone by, yes. But geeze man, figure that out about 15 laps prior. Give your boy a chance to win. And I still think on relatively fresh tires and a quick stop he may have had a punchers chance.

I'm still newish to this brand of racing...but this strategy was asinine beginning to end to me.

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As soon as HAMVERBOT came in to clear view I sort of checked out, but was casually wondering the same. Seemed like after HAM pitted there were quite a few laps where VER still had an open window... maybe they didn't have any new/new-ish tires?

(Side note, I kind of wish they showed a graphic once in a while of which tires a driver had waiting in the wings and how old they were.)

Had to have something, because a lap after he pitted (which was a lap or so after Lew' passed) he was digging into lap times hard, as hard or harder than Hamilton was prior. I do not envy crew chiefs whatsoever...but damn dude lol

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Pit loss was about 20 seconds today if I remember correctly, so they had about 3 or 4 laps to pit when Hamilton was like 23 seconds back. I just think Red Bull saw Hamilton not make up a lot of ground during that window and thought Max could hold on. It's happened before them.

Sure, but on fresher tires VER would be faster than HAM, so it's not just a 4 lap window. Even if you give up track position by a second or two on lap 8 after HAM pitted, you'll have fresher tires to chase him down.

Pit time was over 22s. Spain is just super hard to overtake on (As was evident earlier with Ham catching Ver very fast, but not able to pass). Ham pitted when he was less than half a second behind VER. It was too late for RB at that point, even if Ver pits the next lap. Normally Ham would have gained about a second or more just by pitting 1 lap earlier. Ver likely would'nt be able to get back around ham because of the circuit. RB figured they had a better chance of holding a 23s lead with 25 to go than ver being able to pass on the same tires.

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Yeah it seems like this is the reason, they figured the best chance was for Max's tires to hold out till the end, which they obviously different. In hindsight I'm sure they would have gone back and just pitted immediately after Lewis did, but I think the strategy at the time was somewhat sound and they they figured they might be able to hold him off given how hard it is to overtake on that track.

The F1 TV Pro subscription is worth it to keep you interested in the race when the main feed TV coverage is as boring as it was yesterday.

There was some good racing at the back end of the midfield that was barely covered on the main feed.

I never had any interest in motor sports, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but after watching the three seasons of "Drive to Survive" I am hooked on watching F1 now. It's not just me, my dad watches now and we'll chat about the races after they're all wrapped up and it my mom and my wife will make fun of us.

As for Saturday, not sure why RB didn't pit VER after they saw HAM go in. I think there was some hope that with a 23 second lead that they'd be able to hold on until the end of the race, but they had to know that it was just a matter of time until HAM could charge up and catch him with way fresher tires. I would have thought that they could have waited til lap 54-56 and then brought VER in and put a fresh set of softs on and get after HAM.

There's been an interested point made of the fact that RB just hasn't had a consistent 2nd driver like Mercedes does, someone capable of starting in P4/P5 and hanging there the whole race in order to provide cover for VER like BOT does for HAM. Albon had issues last year with consistency and Perez this year has had decent starting positions but then can't improve upon it, whereas BOT may not be as fast as HAM, but he's a solid driver. I don't think there's anyone on the grid that RB could poach though to provide that cover.

after watching the three seasons of "Drive to Survive" I am hooked on watching F1 now

The effect that the show has had on interest was very evident at the last race, 2019, which was WAY more crowded than normal on race day. We get there every year for the gates to open to get our spot on the hill right in front of the turn 1 grandstand. 2019 was much worse than usual with people just rolling up and standing right in front of you where you set your chair, and not even giving a shit if you said something to them about it. It pisses me off immensely when people do this as we get up at the crack of dawn to get our spot on the hill and then people just roll up and stand right in front of you at race time, all because they are now interested since Netflix made a great series.

Ok, sorry, rant over. I just had to get that out.

Yea, that's a pretty shit situation and those people are the same ones who'd probably leave the shopping cart in the middle of the parking lot, i.e. completely devoid of any thought about others.

I'm sure this year will be worse though now that even more people have probably been exposed to it. Good luck.

Yeah I'm going to try and just get my buddy to pony up the extra money and try and get a grandstand seat this year. You really only need it for race day, as you pretty much want to just walk around the track the first couple days and get the different viewpoints. It is just so expensive for F1 weekend. Even the hotels and airbnb prices are ridiculous, like 300 a night for Motel 6. We went to the Indycar race there in 2019 and a seat for the weekend at the top of the grandstand on turn 1 was like 150 bucks for the whole weekend. Those seats for F1 are something like 2k+.

Goddamn...I figured it was expensive, but that's a whole other level. Maybe a trip down for the race isn't in the cards then. I bet the Miami tickets will be even more expensive too.

Don't forget the $150 parking!

I haven't been since 2016 even though I live here, just can't justify the cost. F1 fans are (were?) a whole other level of money. I was in the hotdog line between two guys talking about attending the previous race... and the one before, and before. They literally flew around the world following F1.

And here I thought folks who ran the nascar circuit in motorhomes were crazy.

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That's the beef I have with Nascar. Love the sport, but F1 pumps this out and gets loadsss more eyes on the sport. Nascar has a Kevin James sitcom. Cool. Nascar had something somewhat similar about 10yrs on showtime (Inside Nascar...same basic concept as Inside the NFL or whatever). Completely unhinged and unedited radio comms showing what drivers, crews, spotters, etc. are actually saying throughout the race and without muzzles on. It was incredible and I miss it. Not really sure where I'm going with this. Just...be cooler. You got a great product, show the people...doesn't always have to be with fart jokes.

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Definitely couldn't hurt to try it. That said, I dunno if I could ever get behind Nascar as quickly as I got interested in F1. The whole going around in a circle thing just doesn't seem as exciting as the twists and turns of F1. That said, the F1 races do seem to stretch out rather quickly and it seems like you're watching a number of small races vs. one big race whereas I feel that NASCAR always seems like the pack is pretty damn tight.

That show was awesome. NASCAR's biggest issue is it doesn't know how to market itself. Everyone thinks the driving in a circle thing is boring because the sport's governing body hasn't done anything to dispel the popular myth that the racing is that simple. F1 has natural sex appeal. The cars are objectively cool. The drivers are legitimate celebrities. DTS highlights all of that. Plus, their TV broadcasts are commercial free and you stay plugged into the action for every lap.

NASCAR, on the other hand, has Clint Boyer and Jeff Gordon in bellbottom pants doing color commentary in rural South Carolina while they go to commercial every 15 minutes under green. They've got Bubba Wallace doing a Netflix series, but let's face it, he might be a recognizable public figure after all the PR work NASCAR has done for him over the past 2 years, but he doesn't produce on the track. Hell, the guy has only won 6 truck races in his entire career in equipment everyone on this thread could be competitive in.

It might be boring as hell watching Lewis win Grand Prix after Grand Prix, but at least the folks in charge of marketing F1 have made legit stories out of Max, Valterri, and, to a lesser extent, Checo competing with him thru good broadcasting and DTS. NASCAR just keeps highlighting the same cycle of suck with Bubba because...I don't know. There's so much potential with stock car racing because it feels so much more accessible than F1, but the emphasis on highlighting guys who don't perform is not attracting new fans.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

It really is. We heard about it from my wife's sister who watched it and said it was good so on a Friday night we were looking for something to watch and decided to give it a try. That was a bad idea.

DTS did a really good job explaining things in the first season and expanding on them in the following seasons. I was so excited when we finally got a look into Mercedes/Ferrari in season 2 and they didn't disappoint. The cycling through the different teams was incredibly helpful and helped connect me as a viewer to their different positions.

The one thing I didn't realize until I started looking more into F1 (after watching DTS) was how physically intensive it is on the drivers. The G forces that they're constantly exposed to and the force required to activate the brakes throughout the race was mind boggling and made me truly see them as athletes. So far I'm 4 for 4 on watching the races this year.

I used to just watch F1 when I would wake up early and nothing else was on. Now I don't miss a race and I'm getting up on Saturdays to watch qualifying. DTS has made a devoted fan out of a simple redneck stock car guy.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Still haven't gotten to the point of watching practice/qualifying, but I do look up the qualifying results once they're wrapped up. My dad and I have had entire conversations re: F1 since Imola and before this year neither of us had even put that letter & number together in a sentence. My mom thinks it's ridiculous and my wife just rolls here eyes.

F1 does a really good highlight video for each practice and qualifying on their YouTube channel; usually 2-3 minutes for practice and 5 for qualy. Crashes and stuff don't show up on the results board, and they can have a big impact on performance or penalties come Sunday, so I always watch the videos.

I haven't bothered with the practice vids, but have watched the qualifying.

Crashes and stuff don't show up on the results board, and they can have a big impact on performance or penalties come Sunday

Learned that when LeClerc crashed right at the end of Q3 yesterday. They were talking about it during the race as well, because Verstappen was on a tear going for the pole that lap, and the red flag shut his lap down. Verstappen getting pole wouldn't have made a difference once LeClerc was out, but obvoiusly LeClerc being in the race would've been huge.

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Plus, their TV broadcasts are commercial free and you stay plugged into the action for every lap.

I don't think I realized that until I read your comment. But looking back, holy cow, that's a huge difference!

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The first thing NASCAR needs to do is force all vehicles to meet the exact dimensions of their standard stock body. And when I say stock, I really do mean what you can find in a dealership.

This isn't Indycar, this isn't F1, this is supposed to be stock car racing. I want the cars that are out on the track to at least look like something they brought in from a dealership that morning. I really hate that the sport has evolved to everyone using the same shell, just with different stickers to designate automake.

And if that means that we get more homologation in the consumer market, that's a win for everyone. Especially if that means that automakers need to actually spend some more time innovating their consumer products.

I also wouldn't mind more tracks that aren't oval. I'm not saying get rid of them, no not by any means, but these drivers have a ton of skill, and the season needs to better show off the full skillset in ability to absolutely nail an overtake in a corner. You look at some old British Touring Car videos from past races, and NASCAR could absolutely be that here in the US. And it would be huge if they added that avenue.

But that's just my opinion. I like the sport, but I do think it needs some big changes to regain the foothold it once had

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Automakers are innovating their consumer products, just not in ways that improve the performance metrics of NASCAR.

Innovation is creature comforts like heated steering wheels and driver assist systems and also electrified powertrains, none of which do anything for NASCAR.

Same here. Watched all three seasons over the past few weeks, and then watched Monaco qualifying and race this weekend. I get what people are saying about that track. Other than the historical significance, it's pretty boring. Very little passing (if any at all), and an almost wire-to-wire victory for Verstappen. Sucks for LeClerc, though. Was hoping to see Checo get the podium over Norris, but passing just ain't a thing at that track.

Was really fun to watch, though. I think I can get into F1.

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The first portion of the race was a little stale, especially after Max got in front of Bottas at the start and shut him down. But once you got to lap 28 and the cars started pitting it got a whole lot more exciting. I was standing and shouting at the TV when Bottas came in for his pit and the nut wouldn't come off. Same thing for Checo when he managed the overcut on Gasly/Vettel/Hamilton.

I'm really rooting for Norris. Hopefully Daniel can get dialed in on the McLaren as I'm sure getting lapped by your younger and greener teammate has got to feel like shit.

Bottas' pit was an exciting moment. I feel for the guy, but not really, because he's been behind the wheel of a truly dominant car for how long now?

I'll admit, I have to keep a wiki page open (for now) with the teams and drivers, so I can reference it for the commentators' one-off comments. Eventually I'll have all that down.

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It's really hard playing second fiddle to Hamilton. Whether Mercedes publicly acknowledges it or not, Bottas is the #2 driver and the focus goes to Hamilton. In his 5 years with Merc he's finished 2nd twice, 3rd, 4th, & 5th. The 5th place finish was behind Lewis, Vettel, Kimi, & Max. Williams before that was a 4th, 5th, & 8th place finish. He's no slouch in the drivers seat, but he's just not as good as Lewis and there's nothing wrong with that. Lewis is in the running for if not straight up the GOAT.

In only his 2nd season of F1, George Russell smoked Bottas without a seat fit, wearing too-small shoes, with one day of practice. Bottas is second fiddle because Bottas isn't a top tier driver.

Agree with this. I think Russell will be in his seat next year. Bottas is a good driver but he has had enough time at the top time to prove himself and has failed to do so. Nico Rosberg won the title opposite Hamilton before retiring, and overall was much more competitive when they were teammates.

Potentially unpopular take incoming:

I dislike Monaco. Given the opportunity to go to the race, I absolutely would in a heartbeat. But kiiinda boring.

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Not that crazy of a take. Its basically impossible to overtake. Was surprised to see no safety cars or yellows this year. It does make a super exciting qualifying though, plus one of the few tracks the overcut can actually work.

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I think most F1 fans agree that Monaco is incredibly boring, but know that due to the history it will never be removed from the calendar. The track just can't handle modern cars.

However, today was one of the most interesting Monaco races in a while and I really enjoyed it. The double title fight, the Bottas drama, Vettel/Gasly/Hamilton fighting, Hamilton thusly complaining, and seeing a podium that feels like the future of F1... love it.

Too big of a car...that makes sense.

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Yeah, Monaco was great 50 years ago when the cars were little more than an engine on wheels. But nowadays the circuit is just way too narrow for the cars they run.

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Wow - I didn't realize the difference was this drastic. You can almost fit the entire 1970 car inside the wheelbase of todays cars. That definitely eats up ground when trying to find room to pass. Especially if they are going almost twice as fast around the course.

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And its not just a problem at Monaco. F1 has a real problem with lack of overtaking in any race to where the only real place that positions change are through pit stops and restarts. Outside of that, the order of finish is largely determined in qualifying.

But that said, all those usual issues are just amplified to the max at Monaco where the track itself is incredibly narrow and the turns are sharp and slow. Impossible to pass when there is literally not enough room to go 2 wide in most, if not all corners.

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*Crosses fingers than 2022 aero rules bring back overtakes*

Not just size, but speed, too. Hard to overtake on a straight when it takes 2 seconds to drive the entire thing...

I really enjoyed watching Monaco this year...my first time doing so.

While the race itself may not have been as exciting, the overall team strategy that goes into the race is FASCINATING. I feel that I learned a lot watching this race.

Monaco makes up for its lack of overtaking with scenery and absurd speed in tight spaces. Those halo cam shots make me anxious and I'm just sitting on my couch drinking coffee. Smaller cars for more overtaking would be fun to see, I just don't think the sport is trending in that direction.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Be interesting to see if they get to the point where they do some sort of 'restrictor plate' or power limitation to create action for this race only.

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I don't even know if that would help. I don't think it's the power disparity as much as it's the circuit itself doesn't allow for overtaking. Every potential overtaking area on the track is surrounded by bumpy/dangerous terrain, barriers, or run-offs that put drivers outside of track limits and force them to give the spot back. The cars have simply outgrown the circuit. It's still entertaining to me because I like watching things on 4 wheels go fast, but normal people like to see actual competition.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I am very ready for the 600. That's all.

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...and I am very ready for the 500. Wish I was attending and probably will next year but could not make it happen this year. Went to each race from 2016-2019 and I think any racing fan should try to attend once, there is nothing like the Indy 500.

I wouldn't mind myself being there very much.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Missed on all of my Indy bets. Missed on my Nats bets. Kyle Larson came to the rescue, but damn I was holding my breath for a while.

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Hendrick has been almost unstoppable lately. Wife fell asleep watching it but I stayed up for it all. How was the experience for the 600? I went to the first Roval and liked the camping and all pretty well.

Yep, taking a couple years "off" to give the young bucks time to mature a little is paying major dividends right now. I've only been to the 600 once (2006) and it was incredible from start to finish. Watching that race on youtube compared to now is night and day in the looks of the cars, (style of) speeds, and crowd. There was probably 150-160k people there back then.

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Yep, seeing the differences in cars and crowds makes me nostalgic some days. I don't mind trying to advance things, but I'm not sure if it can move the numbers back to the old environments.

And like you said, Hendrick seemed to pull the right cards giving the young one's time to learn. I'm wondering if Stewart Haas got it right with their young guys. Reddick seems to be an upcoming star for RCR right now.

Excited for the F1 race at Baku this week, especially after it was canceled last year! Fun track, and dare I say it feels we are due for a safety car this race.

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Holy smokes what a race. Shoutout F1 for going with a Nascar OT

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Absolutely amazing race. Props to RedBull for suggesting the red flag restart instead of hoping to just win under the safety car, their sportsmanship was nicely rewarded.

Or maybe that was their 4D chess plan?

I think it was a combination of genuine concern over tire failures and concern over having to retire checo's car.

I also think there's some "ball don't lie" in the fact that Lewis didn't score points after Max went out like that. He was in command all race

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There must have been serious tire wear concern to red flag and then restart that late. But what a race! What a finish! I'll stop there in case people have dvr'd it. But you couldn't write a script like that

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The implications for all championship races had such monumental swings there at the end. What an incredible finish

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This has been the most eventful Sonoma race I have ever watched. Just waiting for someone to go full Tony Stewart and back up on a tire barrier.

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Wow...what a race yesterday. So many ups and downs from the Stroll crash, the restart where Max & Perez managed to get away and avoid the HAM tow, the VER crash, the red flag, the crazy restart into Turn 1 and then the kids fighting for 3/4/5. Checo definitely deserved the win and while Vettel drove a monster race, I voted for Perez in DotD as I'm sure he was on edge all race trying to hold HAM of after he snagged the overcut on him.

That said, what a shitshow on the Pirelli side. Blaming debris for Stroll's crash would be one thing, but two failures, exact same tire, exact same way, roughly same part of their "lifespan", that's not really a coincidence. I'm sure everyone is waiting to see what the outcome of the investigation will be.

The Pirelli guys are definitely sweating after two tire failures in this race on the same tire (rear left). Not a good look for the compound choices this weekend. Reminds of when Vettel's tire just exploded going down the main straight in Austria in 2016.

Both drivers are extremely lucky that the cars smacked the walls and skidded to dissipate the energy vs. going airborne. Max is lucky that the car went right instead of left.

You really gotta feel bad for Max after he drove such a great race. Luckily Hamilton hit the wrong button and the standings didn't change one way or the other besides the constructors.

Spent Saturday night at the "Madhouse", Bowman Gray Stadium in Winston-Salem. Seven hundred horsepower modifieds on a 1/4 mile flat track is quite a show. (the track is around the football field of Winston-Salem State University). They've been running pretty much every Saturday night, April - August, since 1949! Events at Bowman Gray Stadium have been described as part racing, part religion, and part wrestling. If you ever get the opportunity to go, I would highly encourage you to do so! Twelve bucks gets you in to one of NASCAR's most legendary venues.

Go Hokies

Way to go Checo, on another podium finish at the France Grand Prix. He seems to have gotten the hang of the driving style the Red Bull car takes, and his ability to save tires really matches well with Verstappen, allowing Red Bull to take multiple strategies in the race. He's rapidly becoming my favorite driver in the field, and it's good to see him thrive.

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It's amazing what having a 2nd driver who can pull off an alternate strategy does to the points standings. Checo doesn't have to match Verstappen's speed or aggressionβ€”like Albon and Gasly tried to doβ€”he can confidently do his own thing at a high level and contribute immensely to the team. I love the new dynamic at RB.

Also, seeing a team with a good pairing makes me sad that Sainz left McLaren for Ferrari. I think McLaren could genuinely be pressuring Mercedes if he had stayed, seeing as he outpaced Norris for points last season.

Yeah I think Sainz might have had a little buyers remorse after that huge fall off from Ferrari after they got caught with some alleged illegality of their power unit, which is super frustrating we don't get the details on, because "Ferrari". I think he made the move before the season even started last year, which was way late due to COVID, so he did not see how bad the car was. (I believe this was noted in the most recent drive to survive season)

That being the case most drivers would jump at the chance to drive for Ferrari, because they are still the crown jewel of the sport. They still have special veto powers in the F1 contract, which I know irks the rest of the teams for sure, but they always threaten to leave F1 if they don't get their way. Personally, I think F1 should call that bluff.

I know that 2022 regulations are supposed to even the playing field a bit, but I am not holding my breath.

Nah, Sainz left for Ferrari after they fell off a cliff. He knew what he was getting into, but the opportunity to drive for Ferrari is worth it to pretty much all the drivers.

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Great race to watch and I'm looking forward to Austria. Perez is driving great for Red Bull and I look forward to seeing how he does as the season continues. I'm also glad to see Ricciardo finally getting the hang of the McLaren and Norris driving continues to impress. Not sure what happened to him the first 1/3 of the race because it was almost as if he was driving a different car for the last 2/3s. I really wish that Sainz had stuck with McLaren and the bromance had continued.

McLaren had a massive aero update for the French GP, could explain why it took a bit for Norris to get the feel for it, especially with a heavier fuel load.

He also just lost some spots on the first lap, but settled around 9th. Once he extended his first stint, when he finally did pit, he came out pretty far back since everyone undercut him. Then he just had fresher tires the rest of the way. Was just the better strategy.

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Perez is quickly becoming one of my favorite drivers out there. Just a guy who's put in good work over his entire career, always willing to do the right thing for the team regardless of what team he was on. Was so happy for him last year when he won and now seeing him excel at Red Bull is really nice to see.

He and Verstappen seem like an absolute excellent pair. Perez was great at BWT but with the superior vehicle at Red Bull he's really got an opportunity to really shine.

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Agreed. I'm actively rooting for Norris (why him I have no idea) but I'm really happy when Checo does well.

Norris has been one of the most accessible drivers I can remember. He has an agreement with Quadrant that has him taking part in random GT Sport and Forza sessions and posting them on YouTube. Made me really appreciate him as a person and not just a F1 driver.

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Y'all F1 nerds done hijacked the NASCAR thread. But Jeff Gordon is leaving Fox to go be Vice Chairman of Hendrick while he waits for Rick to retire. This was not unexpected but sad to only get Gordon and Bowyer in the booth for one year.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

More action in F1 than nascar recently Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

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Lol I was being sarcastic. I like F1 too I just can't really tell you much about it, nor have I been around to watch any recently.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Haha no worries! My reply was tongue in cheek for sure too

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Maybe Gordon hated him like the early (and great) commercials suggested lol

And someone needs to step up and stop Hendrick right now. They're on fire.

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Watching F1 qualifying this morning, and I have a question: Does everybody automatically get DRS in qualifying, versus having to be within 1 sec of a competitor during the race?

Edit: Aaaaaand of course, they just answered it. You don't have to be within 1 sec of a competitor for DRS during qualifying.

Red Bull looking good again in practice, so hopefully Checo can come up with a good starting position for tomorrow.

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You answered yourself, but yea, DRS is open to one and all during qualifying.

I thought that Riciardo would be more on the money after last week's race but not making it into Q3 is disappointing.

In the early years of DRS (2011 - 2012) they allowed you to open it anywhere on the lap during qualifying. It was insane watching the flap open on the Red Bull before they had the car pointed straight.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekpY4Qsi5k

1. Never realized that, or maybe I just forgot.
2. Crazy how often they opened DRS for the tiniest little straight
3. He kept it open through 130R 😳

Wowwww. What a way for Kyle Larson's streak to end. Ready for tomorrow!

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Crazy finish! That was a fun race. I like the shorter distance.

Druckenmiller the shotgun snap, fakes short, fires it deep into the end zone it is....caught! It is caught for a touchdown by Jermaine Holmes with 47 seconds left!

For sure. 400-500 miles at Pocono is a marathon of marathons. 300-ish miles back to back days is pretty cool, to me at least.

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Good Lord, Verstappen is dominant this year. Is there anybody other than Hamilton that can compete this year?

I get the feeling that the only driver that can beat Verstappen this year is Verstappen.

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Looks like it'll be a HAM/VER duel this year with everyone else fighting it out behind them. I think RB has finally gotten their car where it needs to be and a 2nd driver who's capable of challenging Merc and keeping them on their toes.

I'm glad to see Mercedes finally looking vulnerable. Its nice to tune into the races every weekend not really sure of who is going to win, which is a nice change from basically the past decade. I hope the new regulations and body next year helps bring RB and Merc back to the pack and helps lift up the others to make it a little more chaotic over the course of the year. So far, this has been one of the more intriguing seasons that F1 has had in a while.

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Thoughts: Max Verstappen is on fire. Joeay Chesnut is the most dominant athlete on planet Earth. If anyone not named Chase or Kyle wins at Road America today, I'll be surprised...hoping Brad reps the midwest hard today.

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Max with the RB setup is unstoppable. 30+ second win?

The penalty to Lando when Perez went wide was ridiculous. Literally cost him 2nd place. That kid can drive the wheel nuts off a car, he was seriously quick given he was in a McLaren.

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Indeed, that penalty was ludicrous. No contact made, Perez tried to go around the outside and ended up in the gravel and yet it's somehow Lando's fault?! Feel bad for the kid because he drove an absolutely brilliant race. On the same note, the two 5 second penalties for Perez for LeClerc were also a bit ludicrous in my eyes. If a driver tries to overtake by going around the outside and the inside driver defends then they shouldn't be penalized. The onus should be on the overtaking driver.

Another great race by Max and RB has got that car in the perfect position. Glad to see them giving it to Mercedes and it's interesting to see HAM on the outside looking in. I'm sure it's an unusual feeling for him as well.

If you want to get into which were more egregious, I think the penalties to Perez were probably legit. Lando just stayed on the racing line, he would have had to back off racing pace to not have Perez go off, but if you're going to force that, why even bother racing? Perez, on the other hand, actively pushed Leclerc off the track both times. It was off the racing line, he could have given room with pace and still been ok.

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Produced in-house by NASCAR? On USA Network, the one known for the worst reality TV shows?

This is gonna be awful.

Edit: Bonus points, it's the same production team that worked on the already-cancelled Kevin James NASCAR office comedy, "The Crew". Yikes.

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I dunno man...USA...non-scripted...I feel like it's gonna be bad.

Here's to hoping though! What they should do is bribe the crew that's doing DTS or at least copy the format verbatim.

USA made Psych, and that was pleasant...I'll settle for pleasant lol

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Just read on Reddit that another rule change for 2022 is that F1 is getting rid of the Q2 tire limitation so drivers who make it to Q3 won't be required to start on those tires. Gonna be interesting to see what this does to the overall strategy.

My guess: Everybody qualifies on softs, starts the race on hards. Racers like Perez that can conserve tires will really benefit from this.

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Won't matter when we switch to sprint races 🀞

I don't really read F1 news...are there rumors of going to shorter race lengths?

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No, same race lengths (300km). But instead of qualifying, they're doing a 100km sprint race on Saturday to determine starting order for Sunday's race. Same as Formula 2, I believe. First test is next weekend at the British Grand Prix.

So I just read up on this. All going to Sprint qualy does is move qualifying to Friday and having a small race on Saturday in preparation for the real race on Sunday. Am I reading that right?

If so, that just seems stupid to me.

Uh...yes. You have a full qualifying like F1 currently runs but it replaces FP2 on Friday. Then on Saturday there is a mini-"race" based on the results of Friday's qualy, then the real race based on the results of the Saturday sprint.

What they done is setup a qualifying to qualify...just like "standby to standby". Call it what you want but the Sprint is just a mini race that sets up for the real race.

I stand by my statement and still think it's stupid.

I guess your wording confused me. "In preparation for" sounds like you thought the sprint was practice, not the session that sets the starting grid.

No worries, I just reread it myself and can see where the confusion came from.

Interested to hear thoughts on the new F1 sprint quali? I feel like now you can take the first qualifying less seriously and just prioritize race pace. Also don't love the points aspect tbh

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If Alonso hadn't scorched everyone at the start, that would have been a very boring sprint. Maybe in 2022, when the cars can follow more closely, this will be more interesting (though the same can be said about the past 5 years of F1 in general).

Final verdict... sort of boring, but how can I be mad at 17 more laps of racing?

A couple of interesting moments to be sure, especially with Perez going for a spin and having to limp it in. Those who tried to use softs for an advantage didn't have one and it was basically a procession from start to finish. Alonso had a nice start but McLaren was easily able to overtake him with the better car.

Holyyyy shit. That was a hard, hard lick.

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Hamilton just flat took him out. Yeesh that was dangerous

Took that last corner pretty wide in the same vein that got Lando and Perez penalized in Austria

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10 second penalty for Hamilton, pretty much does him in for the win.

Right now it looks like the win could be down to Leclerc, Norris, and Bottas. Crazy stuff

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That penalty was a cop-out. If he is responsible, he should get a position penalty at the end of the race. If he isn't, then nothing should have happened. Time penalties are really only penalties for people in the middle of the pack where it actually costs you a handful of spots.

It was certainly a lucky sequence of events for Hamilton. I don't think anyone could have planned things better. His competitor crashes out and gets no points. The crash is bad enough to require a red flag allowing Hamilton to change tires and make repairs without losing time.

Yea, the penalty was definitely a bunch of BS. 10 second slap on the wrist for a 50pt swing in the points? WORTH IT!!!

10 second penalty for Hamilton, pretty much does him in for the win.

This aged poorly. ;^)

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That kind of hit gave Dale Jr numerous concussions...if he's genuinely ready to go in a couple weeks, I'd be pretty surprised.

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Cant beat him, wreck him!

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He was never gonna make the corner on that line, much less not take out Max. Add the second least harsh penalty for turning a driver like that, it's basically a slap on the wrist.

But British driver in British race. I would love to see Red Bull return the favor next race.

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British driver, British race being largely broadcast on a British news network.

I flipped over to the F1 postrace on YouTube after the game and Alex Albon hit on what you said. If the penalty for taking out your championship rival is 10 seconds, then there will be another incident later this year and it will be far more blatant than it was today.

I think the most damning thing is that Hamilton pulled the same move on Leclerc late in the race at the same spot and even though he actually held his line, it still forced Leclerc over the kerb likely breaking something, which is why he fell back 6 seconds in 2 laps. In the end, it really did ruin any real drama in the race for the fans, except for the ones in attendance, which from the broadcast seem to be the only ones who actually matter.

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Yea, I'm sure we're gonna see a bigger dustup down the road.

As for the Leclerc overtake, I was about to write that I don't think that HAM caused the problem, but going back and watching the highlights and slowing it down it didn't look like HAM gave Leclerc any option but to run off the track. It seemed like LEC braked later and was in the lead going into the corner but HAM just pushed him to the outside.

That said, Leclerc's Ferrari was really struggling at the end of the race. HAM was able to easily catch up while having tires that were 2 laps older. I'm genuinely surprised especially with how Leclerc was able to hold the lead in the beginning of the race.

What a disappointing weekend for the sport. The ease with which you can take out your championship rival, the inconsistency between penalties and "let them race" (last race's stewards would have thrown Hamilton into an active volcano for today's crash), the fact that a 10 second penalty doesn't preclude a driver from winning, an overall boring race up and down the grid, and what is quite possibly the turning point for Hamilton and Mercedes to yet again win the championships.

Praying for a double-DNF for Mercedes sometime soon...

Yep. A very chickenshit move, in my opinion. Sure, Max may have went on the dominate that race had that not happened. But if that's what it takes to get that dub, then to hell with it.

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I agree with you 100%. That was Max's corner and Lewis was miles away from hitting the apex on the line he ran. He deserved significantly more than the 10 seconds he received. However, Toto would like to send you an email to explain just how shit your opinion is.

Hot take alert: I think this incident highlights how Lewis might not be the driver everyone thinks he is. Either he dumped Max on purpose because he's reckless or he's overrated and desperate and he can't race in close quarters. Since he was dragging in the world championship standings and watching Max run away with it, I'm leaning toward the latter. This year has been quite telling re: Lewis' talent level when he's no longer the only man on the track whose racecar runs like a rocket ship.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I think Lewis was awesome early on when he had to go out and earn his titles. But he's had basically 10 years of getting used to being the #1 driver on a team with the budget that dwarfs everyone else on the circuit to the point where the only competition for the title was between him and Rosberg or Bottas. Now that RedBull has a package that is every bit as good as Merc, we're seeing that he isn't what everyone thinks he currently is. He absolutely botched it in Baku when he couldn't beat Perez to the corner and faced with losing the first lap of Silverstone to Max, punted him at 180mph into the wall. A guy of his skill and experience knew exactly what was going to happen to Max when he did that, and to be quite honest, I'm not really ok with him parading around like he did after the race after watching him actively take out Max like he did.

10 seconds was not enough. I'm not sure I go so far as to say that he should be suspended for a race or two, but I wouldn't argue it if they did. Max is lucky to not be seriously injured or dead given how hard he went into that wall. And its all on Hamilton. I get it that you want to encourage racing, but I don't want to see racing that leads to drivers getting deliberately punted off the track on some of the fastest turns on the circuit.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

51G crash. Fifty-one. That's absurd and he was able to walk away. Kudos to FIA and the engineers for building the safest cars in the world. It is inexcusable to allow Lewis to keep those points from that race. If he's as good as F1 likes to market him to be, he should be able to win the world championship on talent.

This crash is going to hurt Max going into Hungary. Guy will be forced to start amongst the trash since there's no conceivable way the power unit and gearbox are salvageable in that car and the grid penalties for replacing both are draconian. And all Lewis has to show for it is a 10 second penalty in a GP he won that he otherwise would've DNF'd had they not red flagged it after that incident and allowed him to repair his car.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

And then this morning Mercedes admits that if not for the red flag and the ability to repair the car from an accident he caused, they would have DNF'd

Mercedes: British GP red flag saved Hamilton from retirement

Which I'm sure will not piss off RedBull any more than they currently are.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Good point about Hungary. Makes it all the more egregious that you get 10 seconds for a ~50 point championship swing.

Also, can we all point out how awful the fans were, actively cheering the crash? Between this and Euro Cup, I think Britain is now the most hated country in sports.

Weird that every time someone tries to pass Hamilton on the outside, he goes into the corner too hot and takes them out. Racing incidents I guess.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.