OT - YoutubeTV on its way to becoming cable

One of the biggest reasons we left cable/satellite was paying for a bunch of bullshit channels we never watch. We got in on YoutubeTV early and were rocking the $35/month and loving it. Then we get this email...

Effective today, April 10, 2019, YouTube TV includes channels from Discovery Inc. All members will now have access to Discovery Channel, HGTV, Food Network, TLC, Investigation Discovery, Animal Planet, Travel Channel, and MotorTrend. In addition, EPIX is now available for an additional charge. Finally, we'll be including the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) later this year.
To keep bringing you the best service possible, we are also updating our membership pricing. The price for new and existing members will be $49.99/month. The price for new and existing members billed through Apple will be $54.99/month. Your core plan price will change to $49.99 on May 31, 2019, based on your latest billing information. To check on the status of your account, please go to your Settings > Membership screen for updated information.

Our bill is going up over 40%, but those "premium channels" are really worth the price hike.

I've sang YoutubeTV's praises and loved it since we joined, but officially looking for other options now.

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Yea I basically told my wife good news and bad news. She asked what's the bad news, I said our YouTube tv bill went up to 50 per month. She was like ok we can look at direct tv they have channels she likes. Then I said ask what the good news is. Ok what's the good news. They are adding your favorite channels. Nvm we can keep it.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Well, at least someone wants those garbage channels. Discovery, TLC, and Animal Planet were good years ago, but it's been a looong time.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Oh it was HGTV that she wanted

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

By the time you pay for YouTube, Netflix, amazon, and now Disney you have a cable bill/internet/hone phone bill.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I've seen rumors there may be a Hulu/Disney bundle of sorts, plus I could see Netflix taking a drastic hit in the next year or two in terms of desirable content. Although to add to that list, with ESPN+ landing some big12 exclusive content, how far off are we from ESPN being a full solo streaming service?

how far off are we from ESPN being a full solo streaming service?

Far

Always choose joy.

Don't forget that Disney owns ESPN. You could see a Disney/Hulu/ESPN bundle

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

um hulu has ESPN, it's what we use. I was on direct TV now but Hulu was a little cheaper and the service is better AND I can watch on xbox

Hulu has the ESPN broadcast, but I don't believe it carries the ESPN+ programming

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My Fios contract is up and I'm trying to cut the cord. $70 for internet in Richmond from Verizon and I can get it down to $50 from Comcast for their low level internet, but I hate them and they claim they raise the internet rates to $90 in a year. Add on $50 for Directv Now or a variety of these other streaming services, not including buying the plug in for a Roku or Apple Tv and I'm easily at the same cost I'm paying for internet and cable on Fios at $130. I'm new to all of this but it's frustrating and I'm not seeing where the savings come from.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I pay $55 for Verizon in Richmond (75/75mbps). Does that $70 include the router rental? I would definitely recommend just buying one to save the additional $5-10 they charge for that.

Thanks. It does not. They advertise cheaper internet but of course they say I'm not a new customer so I cannot get those rates.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Negotiate negotiate negotiate. If you have options, you have leverage

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I have talked to two different reps from Comcast and three different reps from Verizon and nobody seems to be budging on their prices from what I've been given. I'm giving it one more go this week.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Man, I wish it was that easy. These companies are wising up to it, and they are acting like they don't give a shit anymore.

I am paying an absurd price through Spectrum right now and called up to get it lowered, because at least AT&T is able to provide me better price right now. Got all the way to their Customer Retention and was effectively told to screw off because there is nothing they can do to lower my bill at all, because I'm an old Time Warner subscriber that has a grandfathered plan they are unable to match. At the same time, they're raising my rates by $5-10 per month annually, and they have the balls to tell me that they can't do me any better.

As soon as I find something better, I'm out.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

In my parents hometown, they are monopolized by Optimum (altice) -- I moved a town over and we have that option plus Verizon Fios. Some neighbors of mine have been bouncing back and forth between the two for years and haven't had a significant price increase because of it. My brother has FiOS and every time his year contract is up, he gets a quote from Optimum and takes it back to Verizon and they match.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems as if you're unwilling just to pull the trigger and switch? "AT&T is able to provide me a better price right now" vs "As soon as I find something better, I'm out" is a disconnect for me.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Right now, we have too much stuff on our DVR for me to pull that plug. If I could copy that and watch later, I would, but my wife would kill me if we lost some of it all. Once we get to the dead period in the summer, it will be easier to move.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

The stuff on our DVR was the main reason that I waited as long as I did to convert. Trust me, the DVR will never be empty enough. You just have to bite the bullet and do it. Chances are, you will be able to find everything that you have on the DVR somewhere else.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

yeah I was going to say the same - you can probably find anything you want online or on demand. I have Xfinity, so not apples to apples but I rarely watch regular TV shows live and I haven't bothered with a DVR in years. Pretty much everything is available On Demand. The inconvenience is you can't fast forward, but if I'm saving $500+ per year that they charge for a DVR, I can deal with that. I'd be surprised if AT&T doesn't have the same (to let you catch up on whatever content you need after you switch).

Speaking of negotiating, YTTV apparently does not negotiate or care about retaining your subscription. When cancelling, I explained why I was upset and that I had found better deals. Then I asked what they were going to do to keep me as a customer.

...crickets.

They then explained that the price is what it is and why they raised it (to bring premium content, like TLC and HGTV).

"Ok, that's not worth the increase to me when I can save money going a different route," I said.

"We thank you for being a YTTV subscriber. Have a nice day."

"Really, you're not going to say/do ANYTHING to keep my business?"

"No, sir. We don't do that."

I suppose they aren't big on retention.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

It costs companies more to work on the retention than simply letting the business go. In the case of YouTubeTV, that is even more accurate to their bottom line I have to imagine, because they didn't have to pay a dime for the actual infrastructure for service delivery.

I started my career as a fiber optic engineer for Verizon. Completely unrelated to what my degree was, but the point being I am aware of what it costs companies to run out that physical plant. For that reason alone they need to retain customers for a certain amount of time just so they don't lose money on the deal. YouTubeTV has none of those concerns other than the cost of the servers they already operate

I'm not disagreeing with this. And I'm not saying they should have rolled out the red carpet. But to not say a peep, is a little weird. I didn't expect the full court press with offers and such. Just thought the guy would have at least tried to sell me on their product a bit.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Like he told ya, "No sir we don't do that".

I'm with you in that we expect people to work to retain our business. That's an old paradigm at this point.

Yeah, I feel like this is the downfall of business though. Your rates keep going up if you stick with the same company, but if you bounce around, you keep getting that introductory offer. I'm not business savvy enough to know the pros and cons of one versus the other when it comes to a company's bottom line. Either way, I don't like it. Call me old school if you want, but I believe customers should be rewarded for loyalty.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

We he said that they don't do that, he basically told you that there was no way for him to help you even if he really wanted to. No protocols in place and no way to physically alter what you are being charged. In that way they are actually quite different from the cable companies.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

That's true. It just threw me that he didn't even give me a spiel about how their product was better.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I tried that with Charter. I had 100 mbps from them. After 2 years I was paying $70 a month and tried to get it lowered back to the introductory rate or at all. The rep told me no, he then sent me up the ladder. I told the guy that I was going to switch to ATT. The max they had was 20 mbps in my neighborhood....

He must have known because he called my bluff. Basically said "Ok, go ahead and have lower speeds and more downtime, you'll be back"

I'm not a new customer so I cannot get those rates

I've heard that line before... Sorint actually. I responded with "then I just became a former customer" and switched to ATT the same day. Not that one person will hurt them

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

Yupp, I've looked at it multiple times unless you're paying for a bunch of cable boxes its not worth cutting the cord at any available price point I've seen. I'll continue to get my 100mb/s + Cable + Phone (why is this even included) for $130

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The landline is included because if you noticed your rate goes up drastically over the next two years. When I was looking at ATT in my area if you just got cable + internet the contractual increase from year to year was less than if you got the triple play. It wasn't much, like $5-10 more.

I talked to my 6th Verizon customer service rep yesterday and have been given prices ranging from $69 a month for just internet to $169 month for the exact same thing I've already got. I'm blown away that one person gives me one price and another gives me a different one for the exact same thing. I've got the emails to prove it. They simply say they are following their rules when I question them on it.

This one was able to get me down to $120/month for double play package (I dropped my landline option) and 100/100 internet. That's basically the same cost as me cutting the cord the getting $70 internet, plus Directv now and whatever other streaming options I need. I hate the two year contract but I'll probably just end up going this route and save myself the hassle of switching everything around.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I have three TVs and the extra fees for having three boxes with shared DVR (plus the landline that stopped being free and was slowly increasing in price) was costing enough that I will still be saving money even if YouTubeTV doubles their price. Once you start trying to put TVs in multiple rooms, the prices go up quickly.

To me, this is one of the benefits of streaming. I can put a TV anywhere in my house that I can get a decent Wi-Fi signal, the room doesn't have to be wired for cable. Plus, I can just take a tablet wherever I want to go.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I was looking at the same issue (I have Xfinity and 4 TVs). I wasn't about to pay for 4 cable boxes, but after a little poking around, I realized I could just buy a Roku stick and call it basically replaces a cable box/DVR. Can watch live or on demand. Maybe that's common knowledge and I'm just old, but it solved things for me.

Xfinity without a cable box

So I just got off the phone with Verizon and signed up for Fios for another two years. I was able to get my home phone taken off and negotiated with them enough to get my bill down to $115 a month from $140 a month. I'm pretty satisfied with those savings. The package I got is called the Double Play. With the phone set up I had previously it was called Triple Play. I know I wasn't offered the Double Play previously, maybe it is some new thing. Only thing I need to do is buy my own router and stop renting theirs.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

The savings comes for people like my parents who pay like $300/mo

Recruit Prosim

Yep, but at least you can alternate services with this model. Everything two months or so, I just rotate which subscription I have. The past two months I have had Hulu. I am about to cancel the service and take on Netflix for a while. If something great comes to hbo, I will switch to that later in the year.

This really blows. I loved YTTV at $35 because it had all of the sports channels I watch plus the local channels. The excellent reliability, slick ui, great mobile app, and unlimited dvr were also big pluses over the other streaming services. I really don't think it's worth it any more for the sports fan at this price. That being said, I'll probably keep it for now as I split it with a buddy (now up to $25 each) because you can have 3 screens at one time.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Don't cancel before Kobra Cai season 2 is out.

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Oh damn. Forgot about that.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

canceled my subscription today. 10$ more for those channels? not so fast my friend

Gobble Till You Wobble

The biggest kicker to this is that there was no mention of the ACC Network as part of this rate hike - so I'm still not sure if I'm getting the ACC Network in the fall or not.

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

I submitted at least two requests for it. Last one was via phone when I had to call in about the DVR recording the wrong show. When I asked the woman about it, she had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. Not exactly promising.

Edit: BTW, I asked about the ACC Network again when cancelling. And, again, I had to explain what the ACC Network was and they had heard nothing about it being added.

I'm going to go ahead and chalk YTTV as a NO for the ACC Network at this point.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I think they will have it as they have all other espn channels. It's just the fact that the acc network doesn't actually exist yet.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Semi- related: Thank you Disney +. Since the details came out yesterday their stocks have gone up like 10%. I might buy some more shares.

I bought a bunch last week and am really glad I did. Plus all of the IP they have. Seemed like a great buy and now paying off.

I bought in a couple weeks ago when they were down to 108

Already too late

Recruit Prosim

My family just got PlayStation Vue after Directv failed to show up to fix our cable 2 days in a row when they said they would be there both days.

My advice to anyone thinking about cutting the cord: DO IT.

It's so easy to set up, you don't have to deal with the cable people's bullshit, and you pay less.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

I have some Questions about YouTube tv.

1. Since you can have multiple (6?) Logins, can one login be used for multiple devices in my home or does each device need a separate login? Example: kids can watch the TV downstairs while parents watch upstairs using the same login.

2. With the ability to have multiple logins, can my parents (NC) and in-law(FL) each have their own login on my account? So 3 households all on the same account.

Yes and no.

People around here do this regularly. But occasionally YouTubeTV checks to see where you are logging in from. What happens is that the people who are on someone's account simply have to go to their house log back in again.

Is coronavirus over yet?

This is correct. I'll add a bit though. It is basically separate accounts. In our case, I shared my account with my parents, who live with me 9 months out of the year so I don't feel like I'm cheating.

If you are out of your billing zip code, they require you to log in "at home " every 3 months. In our case the accounts are linked to your google account, I sent a family invite to them and they get access to my YouTube TV.

The attractive thing to this is that the 6 "profiles " are completely separate. I can't see what they watch, their DVR is on their account and all customization is unique to their login.

You can restrict ratings if desired on a profile but I believe that is as far as you can go from the primary account side.

As for when they are out of town, after 3 months I log in as them for a moment on my laptop, then log out.

Can all logins stream at the same time or is there a limit?

No limit

Stand corrected. Never tried more than 3 at once.

The limit is 3. Three accounts can stream at the same time

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Thank you. Would I be correct in assuming that one login can only be used on one device at a time?

Yea so if I'm on my Xbox on my account, if my wife logs in on the fire stick on the other tv with the same account then it will kick me off. But if she logs in with her account we good

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

I love Sling. You can modify so much for your subscription too. I think I have the Orange package and added truTv for March Madness ($5 extra - prorated). Then canceled it after I was done. Never had any issues with them.

I absolutely love the actual YouTube TV services, but I cancelled it after getting the email about the price hike. Will probably go with Sling again in the fall for watching the Hokies. $50/month is just way out of line with other services that offer streaming video (albeit not "Live TV"). We never watch anything live besides VT football, anyway.

I was happy back when we didn't have TV for a few years, and I expect I'll be happy again without it for a few months. Forces me to go do things that are healthier for my mind.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

I wasn't happy about the email for two reasons:

1) there is no choice involved, I don't want those channels, they aren't worth $10 to me and there is no choice to stay on my cheaper level.

2) the fact that this handful of additional channels is $10 more is troubling (I got in at the 39.99 level). It seems like there will be future random shitty channel packages that can be added. The ONLY channel I want them to add in the future is BeIN and I only care about that as long as they have the La Liga contract.

Now all that said, I actually do watch live TV for a myriad of different sports and even at this new price YoutubeTV is WAYYYYYY cheaper like over 4x cheaper than my roommate and I were paying for cable for a similar sports channel offering. I will keep YTTV but will be monitoring the situation as I find this $10 increase for a shitty package of a few channels quite disagreeable. The prices rising on Live TV streaming is inevitable, it's going to happen over time, and all the streaming services will eventually follow suit.

Combining the price hike and the additional channels is probably a strategic thing for them. I can't imagine that this group of channels cost them anywhere near $10/month per subscriber. I would bet that they either underestimated the costs associated with the system, or maybe they intentionally came in with a lower starting price to get people hooked before raising rates. Happens all the time.

I literally wrote all of the feels in this thread to YouTube TV in an email and let them know I'd be canceling. Hoping that so many people do this that they actually take notice.

Netflix, also raising it's rates next month.

Well, it looks like Xfinity has claimed my patronage. I had my internet through them already and last night they offered me a cable streaming package that includes HBO, Showtime, ACC Network, and a Netflix subscription for less than I am paying for a separate Netflix account, separate HBO streaming, Xfinity internet, and YoutubeTV.

We had a good run, YoutubeTV, but in the end you lost out on a deeply loyal customer by acting just like a cable company. And now I'm back with my ex. We'll see if it's better this go around. At least I am going into it knowing she's crazy and to hide the knives on day one.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I'm really enjoying Hulu and Spotify for $10 a month. At least until Disney launches its service.

Those first couple days without YouTube were rough but the feeling of loss faded quickly.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

I was pissed about the automatic $10 hike without the option to not have those channels they are adding but I split it with my friend, so it's really on a $5 increase for both of us. Paying $25 for tv is still a bargain vs. my other option.... Cox

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I hate Cox so much, yet its the only option I have in my condo unit. FiOS was supposed to be installed in February, but apparently every person in the building has to be home for the installation to take place. My neighbor in the unit behind me only uses it as a vacation spot. I want to break something over my lack of options.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Yea I am in the same situation in my condo complex in Fairfax, VA. Very frustrating that I can only use Cox. They always try to upsell me on their cable, but when you factor in the taxes, bs fees, and DVR charge, and box charges, it is WAYYYYY more expensive than the $39.99 they advertise.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Absolutely. I have a box with basic cable (so no espn or anything), and that's only because when I ordered the internet (which is also too damn expensive for how slow it gets), the dude on the phone was like "its only an extra dollar a month if you get the box with basic cable". I figure that Cox's way of trying to lure me into a cable subscription. It does get a tad annoying not being able to access espn sometimes, but I get satisfaction from the fact that they're not getting my money and I barely even watch cable TV as it is.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Cox is the worst. They are our only internet option and their service sucks.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Hulu raised their price from $40 to $45 for the live but they have added some channels (Discovery being the biggest) and will carry the ACC Network when it goes live.

There should be some Disney/Hulu partnership since Disney currently owns 60% of Hulu with their acquisition of Fox.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I am still happy with my 29.99/month Comcast Internet with Netflix, HBO for this month, amazon prime, and the Hulu $1/month special at this time. For sporting events I log onto my parents or friends account to stream or just find a free stream somewhere.

They are trying to get data on what people will pay. If enough people leave at the new rate, I bet they will decrease their rates. Probably trying to find the best range to optimize amount of customers and rate.

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Just cancelled my YouTube TV membership. Sling responded to the price hike with a promotion and I took advantage. https://www.sling.com/

40% off for 3 months. Even without the promo I can get 45 channels plus Sports Extra for $35/month. Compared to YTTV's new price of $50/month, it's a great deal.

And now apparently Netflix is going to lose The Office because NBC is coming out with their own streaming service NBCUniversal and they don't want it on both. These people just don't want us to have nice things.

Gobble Till You Wobble

This was the inevitable result of Netflix's success.

All of the services think they will end up with a huge share of the pie, but in reality they will all have an ever-changing piece of the pie as people subscribe, watch what they want and leave for the next guy.

Expect contracts and bundles to come next.

It will get worse. The evil cable and satellite companies everyone is fleeing from do actually play hardball with the channel providers in an effort to keep cost down. Cord cutting is cheaper now but if every channel starts naming their own price we will end up paying more for less in the long run.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Damn, Verizon FiOS just offered to lower me another $40/ month. I was at $215 a year and a half ago, when I called about cutting the cord, I got dropped to $170. I've had no issues, and I don't really miss anything. Netflix is already paid extra, and I get prime video with Amazon.

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BSME 2009

I'm just waiting for these ISPs to start throttling the streaming services.

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

I'm going to stick with YouTube TV. I still think they are far and beyond the best service. I hated sling and they don't have locals or golf channel. DirecTV would be $70 for me to get golf channel (which would get me HBO too) but they don't have an Xbox One app. Hulu would be my second choice but they are missing ABC local.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I am also staying with YouTube TV.

What I want is all the local channels (NBC, Fox, ABC, CBS), ESPN's, Turner Networks (TNT, TBS, TruTV), my local/NBC sports network (NBCSN and NBC Sports) and the movie channels (FX, FXM, FXX).

I also like the other sport channels we get (NBA TV, NBCSN, MLB network, FS1 & 2, NBC Golf, and SEC Network) but I could do without them.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I'm definitely sticking with YouTubeTV.

1. I love getting local channels, especially for dangerous weather situations. I can watch the local coverage of a tornado on my tablet or phone while sheltering in the bathroom under the stairs if I need to. Cable cannot do that.
2. All of the sports channels.
3. I have driven/rode with the family to visit relatives, opened YouTubeTV on my phone and watched football games (college and pro) with the audio playing through the car's speakers. Cable cannot do that.
4. I can watch TV, including said local channels, anywhere in my house without a cable outlet in that room, much less having to pay monthly fees to rent a bunch of extra equipment just to have more than one TV. Cable cannot do that.
5. Most importantly, since switching, my family has spent considerably more time together doing fun stuff and enjoying each others company instead of staring at TVs in separate rooms. The TVs are on way less so we are using less electricity and my wife has gotten out of the habit of just having the TV on for background noise. Cable definitely cannot do that.

All of that and even when factoring in the cost of internet and streaming services I'm still spending $100 less per month. For my situation, YouTubeTV is still the best option, and it isn't even close.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

For what it's worth, I did streaming with Xfinity and it does all the same things with the locals. The package I did includes HBO, and Netflix as well. My bill is going to be less than paying for internet, YTTV, Netflix, and HBO separately. And I have a whole lot more with it.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Yeah most everything stated that youtube TV gives you I also get with Xfinity. You can watch all channels remotely.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I am missing the ability to keep the show going in a minimized window while using other apps. I have used that to listen to games while driving with Waze running.

*And don't @ me. I'm not from Maryland, I'm not going to watch and drive. I was truly only listening.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

How else can you make the drive to Blacksburg without watching a few episodes of The Office?
Yeah that is a killer feature that I only get because of using Google Music which comes with Youtube Premium and Youtube Music. There is zero way I could go back to having ads on Youtube or not be able to play it in the background.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Genuinely curious, how long have you had it? Do you have a cloud DVR that you can access remotely with unlimited space? Can you cast it if you bring a casting device with you?

Most importantly, how well does the Xfinity equipment work? Is it reliable?

I ask because one of the main reasons I switched to FiOS from Comcast (before I went to YouTubeTV) was the terrible hardware. I was regularly having to go to the Comcast office to swap out boxes, especially in the summer (increased heat?). They didn't even question it, just handed me new box, so they knew the equipment was crap. The internet would also go out more often than should be acceptable and I ended up going through multiple routers while with them.

I remember going to the office around the time that they were switching the name to Xfinity and pushing their newer equipment (I had HD boxes with DVRs, so not basic equipment) and people were lined up out the door with the newer stuff and there were signs taped up saying that they were aware of the issues and were "diligently" working to fix it.

I never had any technical problems like that with FiOS and still get my internet through them (75/75, didn't bother with upgrading to 100/100 because it would have required someone coming to my house and giving me a new router and 75/75 is plenty).

The technical reasons I listed for liking YouTubeTV (and other steaming services) are cool and it makes sense that Xfinity and FiOS are upping their services to keep up, but the main reason I switched was the last one I listed.

I realize my situation may be unique, but I realized that everyone in my house, myself include, was watching too much TV, or just having it on in the background, or searching through a shitload of channels just to figure out there was nothing worth watching. Now, we have access to the content that we want, but watching TV is now something you have to want to do, not just something you do out of habit. Now, we have a lot more free time that we spend together instead of staring at separate screens. It is not hyperbole for me to say that it has been a life changing experience. Our habits may revert back over time, but for now it is wonderful and saving over $100 a month is just a scoop of ice cream on the pie.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Now, we have access to the content that we want, but watching TV is now something you have to want to do, not just something you do out of habit. Now, we have a lot more free time that we spend together instead of staring at separate screens.

My roommate and I have internet but no TV service. He has a netflix subscription, I have Amazon Prime. For sports, we can use either of our old logins that are still paid for under our parents' respective accounts. We have to actively seek out something to watch, or have to already know what we want to watch to then go and watch it.

Switching away from the "click on the tube and see what's on" has been awesome for me. In fact, it helped so much in terms of paring down on noise and just general overall distraction in my life, that it helped me make a lot of other decisions in the same vein of thought -- for instance, when the amp in my car died, I decided not to fix for a little while and came to be accustomed to riding in silence on my commute (~1 hr each way) and around town. No music, no sports talk radio, no NPR. Not that those things are bad, but the silence and solitude has just been good for me to think about what's going been going on in life, and to really take stock of my feelings and emotions and sort through why I'm feeling the way I am.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The only Xfinity hardware that I have is the modem and I have had that for almost 2 years with no issues. We've had them for internet since we bought the house.

I don't see channel-flipping becoming a problem. We don't typically just sit down and look for something to watch. The vast majority of the time we are watching sports or continuing a show we are into.

Like many, we really only need TV channels for local news and sports. That's why I loved YTTV, because it was cheap and had exactly what I needed. We had subscriptions to other services for movies and shows that we paid for separately. With the Xfinity package I just switched to, two of those I paid for are included, HBO and Netflix. Even without YTTV raising their price on May 1, I would be saving money. Now that they are, I'm saving even more.

Am I getting a ton of channels I will never watch now? Sure. But I am now getting everything I had previously for less money. I'll take that win every time.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

5. Most importantly, since switching, my family has spent considerably more time together doing fun stuff and enjoying each others company instead of staring at TVs in separate rooms. The TVs are on way less so we are using less electricity and my wife has gotten out of the habit of just having the TV on for background noise. Cable definitely cannot do that.

Indeed. Since switching to YouTube a few months ago, I have found that we just watch a lot less television in general. Not a knock on the quality of channels it has, its just something that has happened with I feel is a positive development.

Also Hulu TV has the worst UI of any app I've seen going through their live tv menu is a nightmare

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

even the regular Hulu's UI sucks

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

But it's on Nintendo Switch, which I'll admit was critical in getting me to breakdown and subscribe, at least for awhile.

Seriously, Nintendo/Netflix/Amazon, you're killing me here.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Damn. When YouTubeTV first came out I was really interested in it and was going to switch to it from Sling. I'm glad I didn't. Yay, inertia!

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Yep - it was only a matter of time. It's all driven by subscriber fees and ad revenue. The cable and Sat companies lobby the networks and then they gouge the streaming services. It's all about money. No chance you were going to get the same content for half the price. Not unless you steal it.

Didn't see a better thread to post this under. For those with YTTV, your rates just increased.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

just made the switch to hulu+live. YTTV's spat with Sinclair cost me the RSNs. I can't even get Fox Sports Carolinas and I live in one of the Carolinas. The price hike was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Hulu live UI is soooooo bad though.

In what way? I ask because I too am seriously considering it.

I have it. The guide is very slow to use, and in my mind it feels clunky and counter-intuitive. But I like the channel offerings, plus it gets me cheaper Disney+.

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

Can confirm. I switched to Hulu from Sling last year to get ACC Network and Fox Sports Midwest.

To describe the UI I would use words like "arduous" and "nonsense". It's remarkably terrible to try to navigate. I'm stuck with it though because it gives me channels I need. So subscribe at your own peril.

Balls. I got YTTV last year right before football season to get ACCN. I'm not sure if I'll cancel my service, but appreciate the heads-up!

Damn. I really enjoyed it, but now probably going to switch to Hulu Live or trade YoutubeTV for HBO Max until football season starts and then find a new streaming service.

Well I might dip to hulu live for this bit I just hate to switch all my stuff over to another app but the price hiking is pissing me off. Are they actually adding anything for this price hike?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Are they actually adding anything for this price hike?

No changes were announced outside of the price hike.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

So basically a 15$ hike for Comedy central, lovely. I may switch to hulu live tv and save the 10$ for same thing.

Looked an hulu live tv, disney+, and espn + for 62$ which is still more than YTTV.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I... did not see that, so thanks for the correction!

Hmm, ok so this makes a little more sense. If I can get a shared account with my parents (they live close by) who were already looking to go over, its significantly cheaper than what I am paying now.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I have friends who split YTTV between three houses with no issues.

From what I can see is this is likely due to the CBS Viacom merger where they likely said pay us this for all our channels or you get none of our channels which would kill YTTV whenever football season starts.

I'm still gonna cancel I think and select a new streaming service when sports really start up again.

Well, I already have All Access through Amazon for their collection of Star Trek, so if they do go that route, not a huge deal on my end.

And as long as Network TV doesn't get the ax, I think I can get by. YTTV in my zip gets ACCN, BTN, CBSSN, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, Fox Sports Carolinas, FS1, FS2, Golf, MLB, NBA, NBCSN, Olympic, SECN on top of network ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC. That at the very least keeps me to where I am now for a fraction of the price.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I am a Sling'r, and I love their service, and it's super cheap. I'm not into all the ESPN's and stuff, so my package is super cheap. I think I pay like $46 after taxes a month for a ton of channels. I watch soccer a ton, so it's right up my alley.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

Do you get ACCN?

Sling has ACCN, yes, I personally don't have it, but its a Sports Package option I think for an additional $5-$15. I use the Apple TV device to stream with, and the interface is super simple to use.

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Oh I see.

After looking into a little more, I'm liking the option of spending $55/month for Hulu live to get all the sports channels, including ACCN, for September-April (i.e. nfl, college football, and college basketball seasons). Then switch to Sling Orange for May-August to get ESPN and TNT for NBA playoffs and Tennis majors.

That's probably what I will do. Costs $560/year

Yeah we had a similar plan, we'll roll back to ESPN/ACCN, for Monday Night Football, but we'll roll off otherwise. I'm just glad Sling provides that flexibility. Might run the #'s myself and see if switching to Hulu for part of the year would be useful for us too. The fact that you can get cable for as cheap as $25 a month, is a steal, especially with all the services going up at the moment.

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I've done a little bit of digging into why we have seen so many increases in price. Not surprisingly, it sounds like its because of the desire to allow customers to fast forward DVR recordings to skip commercials. See, the networks didn't want to allow that, and originally forced YouTube, in their contract, to use the Video On Demand version of any recording you may have had, if available. Which, as we all know, VoD actively prevents any kind of fast forward, something you see on cable subscriptions as well.

In order for YouTube to change that and allow people to use their actual DVRs, they needed to renegotiate contracts with all networks, all of whom agreed to the change except for CBS, who still forced the VoD until late last year when the change was implemented after significant renegotiation.

And this is why we've seen the price go from $35 per month in 2018 to $65 per month now. The networks are strong arming any provider into higher fees so they can keep padding their own wallets. At a certain point, it really won't matter what we do, we're all going to be paying more for the same product in the end that we had with cable, just without needing the buggy hardware hooked up to make it work.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

And to further clarify, its really not like its any cheaper to stay with cable. Their rates are being jacked up as well. Just took a look at my bill yesterday and with Spectrum, my cable bill alone is over $100 per month, and its really not like we're paying for a bunch of premium channels. They just full stop quit allowing us to renegotiate our contract every time it was up and forced continual increases per month on us to the point where its just astronomically expensive right now, and essentially forcing us into cutting the cord.

So yeah, $65 sounds like a lot, but its still much cheaper than cable. And that's without worrying about buggy hardware, and the rental fees needed to actually have one of those boxes in your home. I would literally be paying half to go with YTTV right now when you factor it all in, and I'm not getting a worse product. In fact, it just highlights how awful the cable companies are that even a bad price for YTTV is still a hell of a lot better than staying with cable.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I also think its bound to happen to every other streaming TV service as well. There is little incentive for Hulu+live, or whatever other option someone might angrily switch to, to stay at their current price level as well.

its pretty interesting that AT&Ts streaming option is set at $65 as well. Almost like they are all beginning to align

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I'm telling you guys, try out Sling. It's a great price point for what you get. Part of me wonders if their price point is so low, because the big boys are marketing so much better. I hope their price point stays the same, else I'm doomed. It helps that they do packages in a unique way, where they have a blue package and an orange package. You can get either one, or both. The channels in those packages are uniquely organized so that sports channels are in one package, and popular day-to-day channels are in the other one. I think that's how they keep their prices so low.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

No golf channel on Sling... show stopper for me

You're allowed like 5 accounts on YouTube, Just split it between 5 friends.

Once you give up the need to spend time and money to watch live sporting events, it's pretty cheap. It's not for everyone, but I'm happy with my sub-$50/month fees for Netflix, Hulu, and the additional Prime channels we subscribe to. Once I cut the cord, with the intention of finding alternative ways to watch sports, I ended up just never doing so. Haven't missed it.

You can also watch Locast for free if you don't care about recording local TV.

At least for now, until networks figure out how to shut them down.

Wait, what?

Eventually, this will be as expensive as cable.

And you STILL have to pay your cable for the internet access.

At least this way, you have some element of choice. (Though it's mostly illusory).

There's a good chance the streaming bundles just become the new cable, but right now there is still a lot of money to be saved by these services. I'm saving over $100 month since switching, including cost of internet.

While I am pissed off at the rate increase for past 2 years, ultimately YouTube TV is sill a really good bargain if you are splitting cost with a friend(s) since you can stream up to 3 tv's at a time. That's what I do currently, so instead of $65, we are only looking at $32.50 each. Also Hulu TV, Sling TV, and other cord cutters don't have unlimited DVR space.

Now do I wish we had pricing/package tiers so we could choose if we want the new channels they added? Sure, absolutely... really no difference in what they offer for like adding the Starz movie package.... First world problems I guess.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

They won't really be a replacement for cable until they add so much security and complexity that paying customers lose their access or streaming quality every other month.

Out of curiosity why does anyone pay for live TV with no sports? there are so many things to watch on netflix/amazon prime and you can share with your family. Every TV show that goes on cable/live stream is available the next day online.

Danny is always open

I want to know this too. I dropped Directv for about 3 days in the fall and then they gave me a monster deal (with no contract) to come back. I'll do the dance again in September although it sounds like ATT is trying to kill Directv. If it wasn't for live sports, though, I don't know if I'd stay with a provider.

Side note: I used YTTV during the half week that I was a free agent and really liked their UI.

The UI differences between YTTV and HULU are insane. Almost worth the extra few bucks over Hulu alone for not having to navigate that god awful UI. I have stuck with YTTV solely so my parents still can use my subscription to avoid needing cable and because they couldnt navigate the Hulu UI if their lives depended on it. Honestly cant believe hulu are okay with putting their content into that blender of a UI, they would do so much better if they would just clean it up.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Ha! This is the very question my wife and I are asking ourselves right now.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I paused my YTTV account until September and will decide then what to do when/if sports start up again.

NWSL came back, and all the games in their tournament are on CBS All-Access, which is a huge missed opportunity to put games on big CBS. The lone tourney game on CBS was the highest rated non-World Cup women's soccer game.

So I got CBS All Access, checking out Twilight Zone, not really a Star Trek fan, but I'll dive in, and check it out. Watching local CBS on my non-box tv's w/o an antenna is nice.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I thought the same thing re: NWSL. If not big CBS, then at least put it on that CBS Sports Network. Truly a missed opportunity.

Not being a Star Trek fan might actually help you enjoy Discovery and Picard a little more. Most hardcore communities despise those shows because there is too much action and not enough dialogue and negotiation like in the Shatner or Stewart years.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty