OT: Notre-Dame Cathedral on Fire

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My parents are going to Paris in May, and my mom could not wait to see Notre Dame.
Looks like a bad fire

Can't verify yet but it looks like they had scaffolding around the roof area. That happens ALOT, workers cause fire when renovating a place.

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Alright whos the jack ass who was using a sawzall to remove shit and hit the electrical or who drove a screw into the electrical shit.

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I saw a direct TV guy drill through a wall from the inside and hit the electrical mast on the side of the house. It caught fire, but luckily the exterior was brick.

Wow. That's huge. Thanks for the update.

One of my favorite landmarks on the planet. That's history.

Why no intervention? Why not be blasting it with water?

I actually cannot stand the Gaudi in Barcelona, wouldn't make a top 50 list for me. Even though I am not particularly religious, I love seeing old churches because usually no expense was spared and the best architects and builders of the time were used to build them. St. Peter's in Rome is the most impressive building I have ever seen anywhere. I wanted to stay there for hours. My favorite church in Paris is Sainte-Chapelle, right down the street from Notre Dame. ND would be second and third is Sacre-Coeur . It's worth the trip but is better on the exterior (especially at night) more than the interior. There is a great view of Paris from the front steps, but climb the steps to the dome if you can handle it, and you get the panoramic of all of Paris famous landmarks.

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To be fair I've only been to a handful in Europe to my list is bias. But it was so crazy that men and animals had done that much work that was taking machines to try and replicate.

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My wife loved it and I have a cousin who has a masters in architecture who belittled my taste for about 30 minutes when I told him of my opinion of it.

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Notre Dame took about 1200 years to build, all phases included. I feel especially fortunate now to have visited back in September.

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First priority would be rescues. Also it's a very hard to reach location next to the river. It's going to be a challenge to fight.

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I think they have fire boats.

But yes, you have to get people out first of all.

So did a quick google earth look and measurement of the church and I can tell you there are few ladder trucks that can throw water very far into that roof. Only roads in front side and one side of the church to even access.

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I have no inside information but if I had to guess its some combination of the following:

  1. Logistical issues. The cathedral sits on an island roughly the size of one city block in the heart of paris. The island is elevated enough that fire boats will have difficulty reaching it so the only option is trucks using one of the bridges onto the island.
  2. Concerns about collapsing the roof with water. The roof is made of wood from the 13th century so dumping water on top is almost certainly going to cause the wooden structure to collapse. I imagine they're concerned that might damage the stone structures or cause the fire to flare up and spread to other nearby buildings.
  3. Attempts to save some of the artwork contained in the building. They were attempting to extract some of the statues/paintings/relics so they may have decided getting those out before flooding the building with water was a better plan than spraying water immediately and risking being unable to save the architecture and everything inside.

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Why exactly are you posting this here? Are you trying to tell us something? Should Interpol be tracking your location to see if you are in Paris? Are you so pissed off about the result of the last VT-Notre Dame game that you did this? You do know that Notre Dame the school is in Indiana, not France, right?

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Do you not see the historical and world news interest?

I mean also my user name.

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I mean, his username says he's cold blooded.

Seriously though, jokes go awry sometimes. I appreciate his clarification further down in the comments.

As a general comment, we should not turn TKP into a "breaking news" site - we had issues in the past when people posted about a terrorist attack in France. Within 5 comments, that thread turned into racist rants (and permanent bans, it was ugly). While I don't expect that to be an issue here, as a PSA for everyone, please don't just post general news to TKP thinking it is of general interest.

Right. Just because its your username doesn't mean post all thing pertaining to it...

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To be fair, this isn't just your run-of-the-mill fire. This is an historical and religious landmark, and one of the most important symbols of Paris.

I understand that.
Just reiterating what GM said, in response to HF as well.
I didn't downvote anything or anyone. DIdn't say it wasn't proper. Just don't post everything all the time.

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Exactly, I think this is a topic worth being aware of. This isn't just "some building"

I'm actually glad Fireman posted it and have enjoyed learning from some of the comments he posted. An expert weighing in on a major world event is certainly more useful than some of the forum topics that get started on TKP.

Far from an expert, in fact I know of at least one true expert in emergency management on here and I'm not even close to his level.

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Yeah let's not let this turn into shitshow like that was

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This is part of why I posted, but it was also a joke about the stereotype of firemen secretly being firebugs combined with misplaced anger about losing to Notre Dame.

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I'll make it VT related:
All the VT Architecture Travel Study Abroad programs typically stopped at Notre Dame.

White smoke...new Pope.

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inappropriate humor is the best humor.

hoping for the best with Notre Dame

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Speaking of which: can't wait to read that contractor's reviews.

*Seriously though, if it was a contractor that started it. I hope the police are on him like white on rice. There's probably going to be a ton of death threats from this.

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I laughed. I was very confused at first too to find out this wasn't Notre Dame University (edit - because after all, this is primarily a college sports board, so when I see anything titled 'Notre Dame,' I automatically assume it's football related). As someone who's not christian, I had no idea there was a church in Paris called Notre Dame.

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I mean, I'm not a christian either, but did you think the the Hunchback lived in South Bend?

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Never occurred to me. I haven't seen the movie since I was 5ish (the animated disney(?) one), so I don't remember it. I guess I assumed it was fictional.

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It is fictional, it was set in 1482...10 years before Columbus sailed the ocean blue

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You must have never played Civilization, either.

I too am puzzled how someone would not know what the Notre Dame de Paris was. My 7 year old could point it out. Being Christian has nothing to do with it.

Is this the part where I shake my fist at the young folk and tell them to get off my lawn?

Does it have some historical relevance beyond just being a church? I guess the only church I know by name is the sistine chapel.

Edit: I guess I don't know any churches

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Sistine chapel is more a room than a church...

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And smaller than you'd think, and a long wait. Was there 11 months ago.

P.S. the Church at the vatican is St. Peter's

Its the Sixteenth Chapel... sheesh man, you really are showing your ignorance.

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There is a certain irony that the example you used isn't even a church

I am unexpectedly emotional seeing this. Took communion there during our trip in 2014, and it was one of the most beautiful and moving places I've ever been. Pictures look awful, can't imagine how or even if you rebuild something like that.

I'm floored. I haven't visited Paris yet but was planning on it before I return to the States later this year. I'm always amazed by the various cathedrals I've visited and this one has significant meaning to me when I was to visit. Regardless, whenever something this old and historical is destroyed, it's a tragedy

Oof.

The footage is pretty terrible.

The towers at the front are still standing, but the roof has collapsed and the altar and cross portions look to be a total loss.

It looks like there may be fire in the windows of the towers as well

Just the artwork being lost in there...the organ alone was worth something like $20M.

Really awful loss regardless of faith or otherwise. An important historical location that can never be replaced

NBC is reporting that first responders are trying to salvage whatever art and artifacts they can. The entire wooden interior is on fire. Sounds like it will be a total loss.

Plus it is holy week. I'm sure a good number of people were to attend mass there tonight.

The cost will be incalculable. So much can never be replaced. I know they were making efforts to save the art and artifacts they could but... ugh. I feel sick to my stomach watching.

It was reported this morning, the organ is completely intact. Apparently the rebuilding fund already has over 200 million Euro's from two french businessmen.

Yeah a father and son that are both billionaires, the Pinaults. The son is married to Salma Hayak, so his life is pretty good it would seem

The famed rose windows! I am sure they can be replicated, but I can't imagine they survive.

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You could see the empty frames backlit by the fire earlier. It is beautiful and terrible to see.

The Rose Window was created around 1250. Was saved from the ravages of World War II when the French removed it before the Germans got there. Was replaced at the church in the 1960's.

Sadly, now destroyed by the fire. Good news - reports now are that the Rose Windows are safe. The north one for sure, and it seems like the others as well. Firefighters did a good job of saving what they could.

Was in Paris over the summer and visited Notre Dame with my teenage kids. Wore a VT t-shirt that day, and they made some smart remarks about being in Paris wearing a VT shirt. Heard a "Go Hokies" in the plaza in front of the cathedral and my kids were astonished. A great memory from that trip. So sad to see the damage to a beautiful place.

I didn't realize this but the plaque in front of Notre Dame is Point Zero. As in it's the spot that they measure all other locations from in France.

If you are in the country and see "200 KM to Paris" on a sign, it means that distance to the front of the cathedral.

A testament to what mankind could do together 850 years ago. It's sad to watch this happen

This one is heartbreaking. We are going to be in Paris in a month and this was one of the top sites on my list to see. I had a 3d puzzle of the cathedral as a kid and was really looking forward to seeing it in person.

leg for the 3d puzzle, I had the same one!

Sucks for your timing, my parents are headed there in October, I know they are disappointed too

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Looks like the oldest rose windows may have survived so we will try and walk by and see the building. I'd still like to see the stonework. Might catch some of the art at the louvre.

That's good news.

The building will still be worth looking at from the outside, regardless. You can also see Paris Point Zero, the marker for the center of Paris, which is in the square in front of the church.

I was lucky enough to be in France for work last July and me and a coworker took a detour to Paris on the way home. Our hotel was just a few blocks away from the cathedral. Snapped this one early one day as we walked out into the city.

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You can watch a live feed of the efforts to put it out.

We're looking at it from the Ambulatory side of the building. It looks like most of the scaffolding is in the area of the Transept. Everything is burned out up to that point. Can't see beyond that.
They've moved the camera. Everything is burned out, the entire way to the front towers. No roof structure remaining.

I have a picture of the interior looking back at the Apse/Ambulatory area. Took it when I was over there and always liked the photo... despite it being horribly dark in there and difficult to photograph.

Here is one of the photos I took from the rear of the cathedral when I was over there a few years ago. You can see the (now collapsed) spire in the background.

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Few people actually walk all the way around, but I always liked this part, much quieter than the front where all the tourist gather and pose and you really get a sense of the architecture and a nice view of the flying buttresses.

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Took this in January. One of the most beautiful buildings I've ever been in. Its a very sad day

Great shot! I've always loved the way the architecture of Paris pops with the overcast backdrop.

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Was there literally two weeks ago to the day....Beautiful place, very somber here.

Cool picture but a private drone that close to the fire scene doesn't make me happy.

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yeah, I can't really comment on this without violating community guidelines. suffice it to say I feel a little sick.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

I'm waiting for the nba jam Notre Dame mashup gifs.

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Sad day for the world it was a marvel to awe at. That all said I would hate to be the contractor responsible and man would I hate to be the insurance company who's got that policy

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From what I have read the police don't have any concrete leads as to who started the fire, but they have a hunch-back at the station.

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It was in the middle of the dang Sein river. As long as there are architects that are familiar with the process to replicate and duplicate, it'll be rebuilt.

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Welp, I underestimated the importance of this topic to the rest of the community and tried to make a joke about Fireman. I was wrong and am glad to have learned a lot that I didn't already know from this thread. I apologize.

FWIW, I was, by no means, trying to downplay the seriousness of the topic. I was raised Catholic and love the architechture of cathedrals. I see this as a devastating loss of art, culture, and history.

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I ain't mad at you. Thought it was pretty obvious you were joking and you weren't even joking about the event itself. I won't begrudge anyone for humor in the face of tragedy. It's a coping mechanism for some. I made a pretty lame joke about the contractors getting a bad review, but in all honesty, I am kinda choked up about it all. Hard not to be with such a loss of artistic, historical, cultural, and religious significance. The Mrs. is taking it pretty hard after teaching French and having yet to make it there.

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Saw two different friends, both Hokies, who were there and posted photos today from Notre Dame. One saw it before it burned, the other only the fire.

I am far from religious but that was one cool looking building. Watching it sort of reminded me of 9/11... a symbol being destroyed, though of course without the massive loss of life.

Certainly a weird feeling.

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Watching it sort of reminded me of 9/11... a symbol being destroyed

I can agree with this thought. It also reminded me of a smaller and more personal connection- April 24, 2001-- the Rotunda Fire at Longwood (The Great Fire). I remember watching as the iconic heart of Longwood burned, much like Paris and the world watched yesterday. Like Notre Dame, Ruffner was under renovations and there was a spark that destroyed the whole building. Fortunately in both cases, there were no major injuries and some of the important relics were able to be saved.

It was very gut-wrenching to watch such an important and beautiful building burn for hours.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Looks like they were able to save most of the religious artifacts and art. Also, seeing reports this morning that the Rose windows are unharmed which is obviously a big positive.

Heard on NPR this morning that some French billionaires have already committed €350M to rebuilding and people are asking where to donate from all over the world.

By French billionaires, it is the two owners of the major European fashion brands (Gucci, Louis Vuitton, TAG Heurer, and others). One pledged up to 100 million euros and then the second one pledged up to 200 million euros towards the repairs.

Wow, France assumed this would happen at some point, so they planted an entire Oak forest (over 50 acres) approx 150 years ago to ensure old growth hardwood would be available for the reconstruction.

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This is fascinating to me. I was trying to find an article talking about it, but all my searches are just fire coverage. Where did you find this info?

Fark.com. Guy from there was on the local radio show this morning talking about it.

It's in here...down a bit as well.

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TIL Fark.com is still a thing.

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What's crazy is there are no trees left in europe big enough to replace the single tree beams that were used to make the roof beams. It was primeval forest.

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That's why they planted the Versailles forest 150 years ago to ensure they had large, old growth hardwood.
And a lot of it was replanted 20 years ago as well.

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They will be able to use some glulam beams instead. At the height the beams are placed, most people won't be able to tell the difference.

Most of the beams aren't visible anyway. Masonry arches and vaults make up the majority of the ceiling.

If this picture is any indication of what survived, the masonry appears to be in decent shape. It looks like the portion that has collapsed is between the transept (where most of the scaffolding seemed to be in place) and the apse. The vaults at the top of the picture should be the ones right before the transept.

I would be very surprised if they didn't end up having to replace the masonry. Fire does bad things to mortar and you're not looking at nearly the strength you had before. For safety reasons, I bet they have to replace anything structural.

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The good news is the building is old enough I am not sure how much mortar is there. I think I remember its construction was a lot more stone directly on stone.

But you are right that anything structural will be closely examined. I am confident will the French will want to rebuild it correctly.

French will want to rebuild it correctly.

I guess it's a good thing cheese isn't a structural material.

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I had a friend who was charged with moving an Octagonal barn in Pennsylvania. A major beam was in decay and the search for a replacement tree took 18 months. The found a suitable tree up in Canada.

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modern day slang makes for some confusing tweets depending if they were from yesterday or a week ago:
"I went to Notre Dame, that place was lit"
"Notre Dame is straight fire"

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