VDOT in planning stages for new connector road in Blacksburg

https://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/vdot-to-reveal-plans-for-n...

"The idea is to shift traffic away from the core of the university which really should improve connectivity, enhance safety, and really help with mobility on the campus," said Jason Bond, a VDOT spokesperson.

The new 2.61 two-lane divided road would connect Prices Fork Road and Southgate Drive.

Jesus that price tag. No wonder we can't get infrastructure improvements with price tags like this for 2.6 miles of road.

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The bypass was supposed to solve this too like 20 years ago 🙃

Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and FUCK the prom queen!

So looking at that. The golf course will be demolished, the road past Lot 18 will become a dead end. It will cut part of the RV Lot there away too.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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The golf course stays, added obstacles.

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I don't see how this would improve traffic. How many people are really cutting across campus to go from Southgate to Prices Fork. It would be faster just to get on 460. I supposed this will help game day traffic a bit but I don't see how that would justify that price. It just seems odd.

I found this link on the VT facilities website that shows the proposed road better.
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EDIT: After looking at the VT website rendering of the proposed road, this road seems like it is entirely designed to just pull traffic off of West Campus Drive. That intersection of West Campus Drive and Prices Fork is always a mess.

I drive back into town on Prices Fork every day after work around 5 pm. It's a joke for such a small town. I'm also concerned these improvements will take at least 3 different attempts to get it right just like most road "improvements" in the area.

How about they say the money is for a new road, someone come out with a road grader and makes a new dirt road for those of us with pick up trucks to have fun on and we take the funds and give them to the Athletic Department?

In all seriousness, is the traffic really that bad in Blacksburg? How about capping the student population at a specific number rather than just trying to grow it to infinity?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Sands has talked about this recently.

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That is fantastic news, thanks. I hope they keep it at 30,000.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Will it have Bluetooth?

I can't wait for this to get done. Getting off campus anywhere between 5-6 PM has become damn near impossible. West Campus Dr backs up to the Drillfield on a normal day, and all the way back to Washington on a bad day. And that's a normal weekday, not a game day. In concert with the transportation hub coming online on Perry St to reduce vehicular traffic (and encourage more BT use), the shift in Duckpond Dr. to eliminate the difficult turn at West Campus, this should improve the situation nicely. Improvements are badly needed on Duckpond Dr. as well, given the number of bicyclists and pedestrians that walk along there (literally in the road, it's becoming downright dangerous).

Now let's see how many years it actually takes...

Southgate connector was first discussed in 2005, plans started coming together in 2011, and it opened in 2017. So it might be a few years for this project..

agreed on literally all of this

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Campus sure loves its traffic circles...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Studies show that they are safer and more efficient than most other configurations for many types of intersections. My biggest gripe with them is that they haven't really caught on much elsewhere in the state and beyond, meaning every fall you get a new batch of freshmen who have never seen one in their lives and have no idea how to navigate it.

They are all over route 15 in Loudoun County and Maryland.

DC has them too, but in standard DC tradition they tried to improve them with traffic lights which makes them 10 times worse.

It's maddening how much DC has fucked up the simple, efficient concept of the traffic circle/roundabout with lights, divided lanes, etc... all for what? To avoid pedestrian tunnels or bridges? I knew I couldn't be the only person who though this way.

I think they may slow you down a little bit when traffic is very light but they do improve flow during times of high traffic. The circle at Prices Fork and Main Street is a big improvement over the stop light of a decade ago.

Fun fact: those are not traffic circles.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Correct.

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As a transportation engineer, this graphic pleases me

VT CEE Class of 2016/2017

5 years, 2 degrees, 33 football games as a student, and 2 Cassell court stormings later, I bleed Maroon and Orange

Yeah yeah yeah...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

This is also a key component of development under the campus master plan. Fireman, the Golf Course has been on borrowed time since the Inn was built... And I echo GuitarMan- I work til 6 or after just to avoid the traffic since I have to cross campus and go out Prices Fork Rd to McCoy. With the proposed live-learn communities and continued expansion of the campus westward, this road is expected to be heavily used. Hitt Hall (Construction Engineering / Building Construction, etc.) and a new Dining Hall, for example.

Full Info is in the TLDR 376p Nov 2018 Campus Master Plan.

Capital construction projects starting on the main campus in Summer / Fall 2019 include the Creative / Innovation District (where the University Club sat, $100M+), the Chiller Plant Phase 2 ($40M+), Holden Hall renovation ($70M+), Merryman Student-Athlete Center and Weight Room ($20M+), and reno of War Memorial / Student Wellness Center ($55M+). The Multi-modal Transit Facility on Perry Street is still on 'temporary' hold to the Winter of 2019.

For anyone upset over how things are right now... this is the campus version of "hold my beer". On paper it's impressive to be sure.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

More people should ride the buses, bike or walk to and from class in Blacksburg. That would help with traffic and if you say the buses are overcrowded then it's better to put more buses on the road carrying 50 people each than 50 cars carrying a single person. And before people come in saying they have jobs to get to after class etc., so did I when I was in undergrad. I worked 35 hours a week and never once had any issues using the bus or walking to get home, change for work and then get there on time. The majority of students live what, 2 miles from campus? No reason to ever drive that and buses run every 20 minutes or less. Plus I imagine "bus broke down" is a better excuse for being late to class than "couldn't find parking so I drove around for half an hour".

if you say the buses are overcrowded then it's better to put more buses on the road carrying 50 people each than 50 cars carrying a single person

Students have no control over adding more busses. Until BT gets around to doing that, the bus system is not a viable main form of transportation.

Hello, former BT driver & rider here.

the bus system is not a viable main form of transportation.

Please!!! This is complete and total horseshit.

If everyone didn't wait until the last possible bus to get to class, all of them wouldn't be so full and you wouldn't have people on the last stops of the route getting left behind, even with Trippers, because of full buses time and time again.

If you don't believe me, wake up ten minutes early and shoot for the bus before the one you typically ride. You'll be amazed.

Now, I could wax poetic for hours about ways to improve BT, but in this particular instance, the problem isn't with the bus system. It's with the students. Buses on most routes come every ten minutes, which for Blacksburg's size, is pretty damned incredible. From a simply economic standpoint, BT can only run so many buses at once during class change. If you can't make it to class with a bus system that runs by your apartment every ten minutes, that's on you.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

The bus that runs by my apartment runs every 30 minutes. I was at the stop yesterday, the bus driver saw me waiting, and didn't stop for me. I then had to wait another 30 minutes.

I agree that the bus system is impressive. But there is still a ways for it to go for students to trust it on a daily basis

Just because your bus driver was a dick, doesn't mean it's not a viable main method of transportation.....

I use the bus more often than not. But I always have little things like that happen to me. I'm patient enough to deal with it, but not everyone is. That's all I'm trying to point out.

Did you piss the driver's off?

Seriously though, call in and let them know about it every time. Squeaky wheel, ya know.

It helps to know as much as you can about the system, because they will BS you if you don't know what you're talking about. I called in to complain about an issue after I had stopped driving for them and they fed me a line of BS. It was hilarious when I called the person out, by name, telling them I knew they were feeding me a line of shit because I was a driver for 3 years. They went to a dead stop and asked me who I was. I hung up on them while belly-laughing.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Seriously, it's the most viable form... The only time I've ever had an issue with the BT was when I had a semester full of 8AMs. But that was because I always waited until the last possible moment to wake up to catch the last possible bus like everyone else.

If the route was congested before class I'd just go early and look at stupid cat memes on campus instead of my apartment.

Cars were the worst possible way to get on campus when I went. You'd spend twice as long looking for a spot than you would just waiting for and riding the bus.....

Respect to you, I was in training to learn how to drive for BT last summer and couldn't hack it, it's much harder than it looks

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Well, I learned to drive full-sized buses on tiny German roads. Driving buses anywhere in the U.S. was a breeze after that (With the exception of Chicago. Their taxi drivers are in-fucking-sane.). The only difficult part was students walking out in front of you during class change, but once you learned to expect that...smooth sailing. Still the easiest job I've ever had. The best thing ever was driving the Trippers. Nothing like getting paid to do homework.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

This and the comparison/contrast that comes with it has entertained me greatly. Have a leg.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Your line about the job piqued my memory, and then the appropriateness took care of itself.

A Sherman would have been helpful. No one steps out in front of a Sherman.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I looked for a picture of the whole crew on the tank with the quote, but couldn't find it and I didn't have time to make a meme.

What dark times are these when the head of his shop can't find time to make a meme!!!

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

It's busy around here right now.

Driving around the Drillfield stresses me out in my car, doing it in the bus would put me in Arkham Asylum.

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Well that's good news. You should at least get to leave whenever you want to.

Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and FUCK the prom queen!

Sounds like its time for the BT to get some these:

If height is of concern then get some articulated buses or even better bi-articulated buses.

When's the last time you were in the Burg? BT has had articulated buses for a few years now.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Unfortunately it's been a couple years and the last time was over the summer so not as many buses out on the road.

The problem is that artics don't add as much capacity as you would think. Max is 107. That is only 27 more than a 40'. Folks that get screwed the most are along prices fork (which includes the retreat since there is only one designated bus there) because the buses fill up before they even leave fox ridge.

I think I have seen more than 107 on a standard BT buss. I am thinking they will have a max capacity closer to 140

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Football shuttles: If it fits, it ships. I've seen axles sagging on gamedays.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

107 is the listed max and what training tells the drivers. If they can fit more, like on game days, then all the merrier. The problem is students don't like to cram like that. 40' can "hold" 80, but people would call in a full bus with only 60 because students would pretend like they couldn't hear the drivers say move to the back. When I was there, we would have safety meetings where we'd stuff all the drivers in a bus just to show what full actually looked like.
But yes, I've heard the stories from the older drivers of drivers letting people sit on the emergency box area and people doubling up in laps. Stuff like that is a no go nowadays (not saying it doesnt happen, it's just not supposed to).

Non-full buses leaving and posting BUS FULL are 810% on the driver. If they aren't actually full it's because the driver was too timid to make everyone fill in. I would use my NCO voice and it got them moving. Others would simply pop the E-brake and sit there until everyone filled in. When students realize the bus isn't moving and they will be late to class, peer pressure to get everyone in becomes a very real thing. The driver is the captain of the ship. The problem is too many drivers are afraid to piss the students off more and more.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

If its games day and there isnt a woman o your lap the bus isnt full enough.

This goes for man and women, a properly seated bus has a man in every seat with a random women on his lap and her friend in her lap. At least from my expierence.

Except, that in a way they do. In order for BT to "add more buses," they have to show the state that there is a need and that there is a plan of use for the new buses. That is why it is important to actually fill out surveys whenever they send them out asking about where/when people would like to see service added. When I was there, they didn't have enough drivers to fill out all the routes; today they have the same problem even though they've doubled the driver pool because of all the added hours and routes.

Of course some of it comes down to the routes as well. Certain routes (Harding and HXP) can only hold a 35' bus which holds up to 70 people because of the turns and streets they are required to go down. Main Street is another one that is limited. They can't use an articulated bus because it bottoms out when making the turn off Marlington. The fix to that would be to have dedicated MSN/MSS buses but that is not the way the current route is designed.

I have to disagree for three years after my freshman year on campus, I used the bus to go to class and then walked home (unless raining). It was perfectly fine for access and I lived off south main where the buses didn't run as often.

At one point, i thought there was talk about connecting Southgate Drive to Prices Fork Drive from the new 460/Southgate intersection to Hethwood Boulevard - is that not happening?

That's in discussion- interchange was designed to accommodate it

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

From 2008:

That price may seem steep on the outside, but that's not what it will be...likely will be higher. I love Tech and all the memories that place has given me throughout the years, but when you go after a job that is in and around that campus*, you better stack some money on that bid because it's gonna be a grind from start to finish.

*I'm sure most campuses around the country are like this, but this is one of really 3-4 I have any experience around in the construction world.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

It'll be a VDOT managed and funded road with input from Tech on alignment based on projected land uses... Just building a trail with VDOT funds is borderline insanity with the various hoops to run through from the planning process onward.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

^^^^ 👍

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

If we had those hoverboards that Back to the Future promised we'd have by now, all of this wouldn't be necessary. We're investing in the wrong technology!