Bud done after this season

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

son of a bitch. I saw someone post about a rumor on FB this morning, but I chose not to believe it

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I had feared this to be our recruiting problems.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

It hasn't been, but it's about to be a lot worse

Recruit Prosim

Source?

(add if applicable) /s

but it's about to be a lot worse

as in there is more shit news coming? or it's about to get worse because Bud is retiring?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Worse because of bud leaving.

Recruit Prosim

Yeah, I don't believe that.

I do. But in the same token, I hope you prove me wrong.

HTHokie93

I hope Fuente proves you wrong.

We can agree on that.

HTHokie93

Pls don't result in decommits.
Pls don't result in decommits.
Pls don't result in decommits.
Pls don't result in decommits.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Don't have to worry about decommits if you didn't get any commits in the first place!

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I don't know if I've ever been sad to see a comment about to go plaid.

Gotta go with the other guy, sure you might get some spill over with offensive side guys maybe wondering about the defensive performance.

But of the 10 commits only 3 are declared for that side of the ball, with 2 more ATH's to be fair.

The real worry of course is 2021 and beyond depending on the specifics of the hire. Time to get the Brinks truck and park it in Torrian's driveway!

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Pretty sure this qualifies as a reason to start drinking at work. HR can kiss my ass

I'm assuming this means Wiles is leaving with him.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Guess there's only one thing left to do.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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You can't see it now but when these were posted they were tied to the second.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Oh, I was thinking of the quote from Animal House - "Start drinking...Heavily."

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NOOOOOO

Wow finally it's official. This is the hardest thing I honestly have had to not talk about. Bud deserves a statue right next to Beamer's it's a total shame he can't be elected to the Hall of Fame.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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...it's a total shame he can't be elected to the Hall of Fame.

We should lobby for that rules change.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

How did you know?

Recruit Prosim

There was a rumor earlier this summer even last season, but it was all below the surface etc. was second source confirmed for me last week. However like many things related to overheard or overseen document information it's subject to last minute changes. I also keep information promised to myself when the other person asks.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I had heard rumors but they seemed far fetched so i dismissed them, especially ones that questioned who's decision this was. But you make it sound as if you were told in advance that this was for sure going to happen

Recruit Prosim

aka "the second source confirmed to me last week"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

There were rumors. Chatter was high when he was dealing with personal issues last season. Several posted here that health wasn't good. Could be many reasons why now, but it was coming.

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I think those rumors were more of the "I would retire in that scenario" type, not "I'm hearing from sauces that he's retiring" type.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yea, I also have known from my sauces that this was probably going to happen for a few months now.

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That is one way to sell out lane stadium with a soft home schedule.....

:( The GOAT!

It goes without saying that Bud Foster is a legend, and has defined Virginia Tech football as much as any head coach or player that's ever come through the program.

Thank you Bud Foster for making Hokies football what it is. I can't wait to see the statue they put up for you at Lane Stadium.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Shit.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

This really puts a damper on the weekend....couldn't they have waited like 5 or 6 years to announce it?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

*looks at the recruiting rankings down the line*

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He's in a good place, Justin is in a good place and we are in a good place. No one should read anything negative into that as well. Everything is fine."

Oh boy Whit.

Last year we saw how bad things can get when our defense isn't elite

And now Bud is gone at the end of the year? And the recruiting has fallen off a damn cliff?

The future doesn't look very bright right now for VT football.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

You nailed it. Objectively it's a downward trend. Fuente will make his most important hire of his career after this year. If it's the D coordinator from Illinois State or TCU's inside LBs coach, I'll be pissed.

Prediction: you won't be happy no matter what.

This comment should go plaid.

You called it.

Better prediction: I will laud the hire and throw a parade on college and main, and you will make a smart ass comment anyway

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'll believe that when I see it.

And if it does happen, we'll be joining hands and singing "Ain't no stopping us now" in celebration.

Because DCWilson is never happy? Or because you think the hire won't be great?

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Because dcwilson40 is never happy. You can probably count on one hand the number of positive statements he has made on this site.

Many in this thread alone, smart ass. Your post here is false, violates the TOS, etc. but keep calling me out.

I thought "no matter what" covered that.

But to be explicit: the former.

As he should. It's Saban or bust. /s

I actually agree with DC on this. This is the most important hire of Fuente's career, if he gets some slapdick coach I'm going to be really upset.

Just looking at the Bud Foster coaching tree, Torrian is the obvious choice to replace him. I fully expect Wiles to retire at the end of this year. JHam and Jack Tyler are on staff but they're clearly too young for the position.

If we go outside the family, it needs to be one of the elite DCs in the country to replace him.

Torrian is my thought as well. And as for Wiles he's only 55 I doubt he's retiring.

Torrian won't pick up the phone as long as Fuente is here. That bridge was burnt a while ago

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Is it really that bad? Torrian went from getting paid 275k to be the DB coach to getting paid 260k to be the CB coach (safeties were coached under Scott per the 2016 arrangement). IMHO, you're getting paid slightly less for half the work.

IMHO he got a demotion and a pay cut just to make room for his friend. No way in hell I'd return to a company that gave me a pay cut.

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Yes, it's really that bad. That bridge is burnt in a big way. If we played florida and they were up by 31, Gray would send a corner blitz as Fuente's weakest blocker.

Maybe you know Torrian Gray, maybe you've seen direct evidence that this is the case. But I doubt it. These people are professionals, and by all accounts I saw Torrian left for a good job in his home state. He made a business decision because he is a professional. I have an extremely hard time believing that he wouldn't be pretty interested in the DC job at VT. Bud and Fuente have a good relationship, that would not be possible if Fuente had acted unprofessionally or out of line towards to Torrian.

Emotion plays a huge part in career moves - after all, your job is a huge part of your identity, and your salary is one of the ways you measure your success. One of the driving factors in me leaving my last job was when I got 4.5% raise after my boss gave me a stellar performance review, and a coworker got a 12% raise after a lesser review.

TG got a pay cut, and responsibility taken away from him coaching the most consistently good position group at VT for 11 years. We literally didn't have a bad secondary for 11 years. And after all that he gets a pay cut.

I'm not saying that the excitement about moving home was a lie, but I simply cannot believe that emotion wasn't a factor.

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After that 2008 ECU performance, I'd say it was a long overdue paycut.

/s

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I imagine he would pick up the phone to discuss what would be a serious promotion to a DC position, at his alma mater none the less. Now, actually moving forward and accepting said offer isn't guaranteed, but answering a call about a potential promotion seems practical at least.

That would be a coup of coups.

I promise to double my current contribution to the Hokie Club if Fuente can pull that off. (Partially because I hate the University of Florida.)

I think Wiles chooses to goes with Bud. Wiles is loyal af, he not going to fight under another general.

Counterpoint: Hiring from a small school worked in 1987...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Counter-counter point: GT won a natty in 1990 while defeating #1 UVA in the process.

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If you see these characters, they represent specific people (as of Oct. 2):

Palpatine (Fuente) || Vader (Hooker) (probationary)

Counter-counter-counterpoint: We dragged UVA that year.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Yeah, but that's something that still works without fail.

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If you see these characters, they represent specific people (as of Oct. 2):

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I concede your point in light of unassailable evidence.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

If we go outside the family, it needs to be one of the elite DCs in the country to replace him.

Both of those options sound good until you ask is there anyone inside the family that is actually qualified to be our DC? And what does VT have offer an elite DC? TG is the only family name that comes to mind and that ain't happening. And we aren't going to be able to replace him with an elite DC unless Whit has a secret vault of gold hidden in the steam tunnels.

Realistically, we are probably looking at a G5 DC or a lower level P5 DC, which will probably upset a lot of fans. Maybe Fuente goes after a position coach from the Saben (or similar) coaching tree. That's still a crapshoot, though most message board folks think it would be a sure thing, but it will at least make those guys happy for a few weeks.

Honestly I think the Saban tree would be a very high risk proposition, at least going directly to Bama.

So many other schools have had the same thought that there has been insane turnover so most guys have only gotten to learn from him for maybe a year right now, great, but you really want multiple cycles in that program for it to sink in. And that turnover and not everyone being up to Saban's standards in how they prepare and organize is pretty widely recognized as one of the handicaps they had that led to the beatdown by Clemson. Everyone was either brand new or on their way out the door, or an interim.

Now maybe come November that is a different proposition but then again someone will want to hire his assistants away no matter what every year.

Though we can also get 2nd Gen Saban tree guys out of places like UGA, Tenn, and A&M too of course.

Go outside!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I'm inclined to agree with SLOP & dc (though I also agree he & others will be unhappy no matter what). I wish we could get Torrian, but it I'm skeptical at best. As good as Wiles has been, I was never high on him as a Coordinator & many times, felt he was one of the more liable coaches on the staff. It would be nice to see if we can get: Brown, D-Lo or Vinny Fuller (I know, blah blah blah no significant college experience, but experience in Foster's system & valuable Pro experience).

Brown? As in Cornell Brown?

You may recall he was actually on staff under Foster and uh... it didn't go that well.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Ok. I forgot. Please refresh my memory.

His coaching duties were changed to primarily coaching WHIPs at a time we were phasing them out in favor of an extra DB. Also the general consensus among fans (which may or may not be true) was that he was not the dynamic recruiter that most hoped he would be as an alum with NFL experience.

He's coaching the DL at Marshall but honestly I don't know what the opinion is on him from their perspective. Perhaps he's doing well and just wasn't coaching the right position at VT.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

He's coaching the DL at Marshall

Honestly, this is the closest we have to concrete evidence of what his skill level is. A position coach at Marshall is clearly a demotion, even if only a minor one.

I want a great hire too. We're all clambering for Torrian Gray, but if we didn't know his name from his time at VT, wouldn't he fall into the category you mentioned above?

Seriously?

There is nowhere to go but up for our defense.

We were only ranked 77th last year.

And that was with Bud.

I assure you, it can get worse. There were about 40 schools last year below us in the rankings that can prove it.

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I hate to have to say this, but the defense WAS the problem.

I don't think it's going to get worse.

Agreed that the defense was the main problem last year. But you're fooling yourself if you don't think that Bud cobbled it together the best it could have been cobbled.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I'm not even sure what you're saying.

We can do better than "cobbled together". If we had a Bud defense last year, I'd agree with you, but that didn't seem like a Bud defense.

Oh yeah!? And just HOW (with level of attrition the defensive unit alone experienced in the offseason last year) would anybody have been able to do that?? I'm genuinely (albeit skeptically) curious as to what you have to say.

My point is that wasn't a typical Bud defense, and that I think the defense will get better, not worse.

My response was that you seemed to believe the defense could've done better last year than "cobbled together" regardless of the attrition it experienced in the offseason last year (as well as during the regular season). I believe that is faulty belief.

I explained what I meant. I think the defense will get better than last year's edition, because it wasn't a typical Bud defense.

I don't think it will get worse.

Which is fine for this year.

But in 2020 when Bud is enjoying retirement? You can't expect 'typical Bud defense' when Bud isn't a coach anymore. And that is why I am saying that last year is a very ominous shot across the bow of VT football, because when you can't expect 'typical Bud defense' in Blacksburg, things get very murky very fast.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

This is true.

But unlike when Beamer took over the program, the team has an identity, and resources. And an offense.

There will be changes. It's in Fuente's hands. But Fuente isn't without coaching skills or strategic vision. Those are, in fact, his strengths.

An identity, yeah I guess so. Without Beamer and without Bud, it'll be interesting to see how much of that identity remains strong into the future, or if it slowly fades away to be forever remembered by those who were around to witness it.

As for the offense, we had one right out of the gate, but its kind of sputtered a bit the last couple years. Its really frustrating that we've been unable to develop a feature or focus running back when our offense is supposed to be centered on the read option with a large focus on the back.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Unless you've got some cloning technique for Beamer and Bud, it was always going to go this way.

The best we could have ever hoped for was them leaving the program in a better place (conference, resources, reputation, prospects) than when they found it.

Check, check, check, and check.

I suppose one more check would have been to leave the program in the hands of someone with a similar philosophy to Beamer.

We thought we had that covered with the combination of Fuente and Bud. But we never quite nailed down the Bud successor. Now we'll have to.

I'm not buying the identity part either. We were in the midst of an identity transition before Bud declared his retirement. We'd long since shed the Terror Dome, Lane Stadium, moniker (but I sure hope we can regain it, and soon), and we're still waiting to see the offensive and defensive acumen of two great minds combine to create something greater in Blacksburg.

And this was to be Fuente's year - all his guys and no more excuses, and none needed. And Bud, having navigated attrition that would give any coach nightmares, his D squad now armed with some experience was ready to resume at its predictably high standard of play. With the emotions of Bud's impending retirement playing into it and a schedule made for a rebound year, this could be a special year.

But, for better or worse, our identity has been changing for quite some time now. It'd been changing in CFB's last few years and Coach Fu's hire was intended to bring an offensive identity that had been lacking (and didn't have a Tyrod/RMFW/D. Wilson/D. Evans/etc... combo to disguise the lackluster scheming). Keeping Bud was coup de tat that was supposed to maintain the top tier D identity that VT had long maintained. With Bud gone, and maybe Wiles, your guess is as good as mine as to what to expect (but we ALL will be hoping for the same thing) from VT's D.

But, who knows? Maybe Coach Fu settles in, McClease has a breakout year, our recruiting woes end up being chalked up to a one-off year, and VT hires a Defensive mastermind who happens to be masterful recruiter as well.

Of course I'm a hopeless optimist. I'm a Hokie.

HTHokie93

Special teams (Beamer Ball), and defense were always our hallmark. But you're right - the effectiveness has been gradually disappearing over the years.

Was inevitable that this transition was going to take place.

Yeah when you have to reassure that everything is fine, everything is most assuredly not fine. This is really, really going to hurt. The fabric and identity of VT football as we know it will not be the same. Fu's original plan of grooming Scott for the role fell through, and Nix didn't pan out, so major questions on how we replace a legend in Bud.

Third time's the charm.

I'd caution against reading too much into a few words from a statement that aren't nearly as black and white as we want to make them out to be. As with nearly everything in life, there are potential positives and negatives from this. No doubt that losing an long time, all time great coach brings a lot of uncertainty and will be a tough adjustment. However, Jack Tyler had already been on the recruiting trail recently in Bud's place and if Bud felt it was time to walk away, he probably has good reasons. Also think about how insulting it would be to Bud (and VT fans) if Whit said something like, "the future has never been brighter." Yikes. This just seems like one of those situations where anything you say can be spun the wrong way.

Finally, I'll add that some people say everything is fine regardless of whether everything is terrible or wonderful.

Source: am one of those people

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

at least you know you're one of those people

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VT fans: Bud isn't a good enough recruiter and his system holds us back on recruiting DL

Also VT fans: Recruiting is doomed now that Bud is retiring

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Not surprised in the slightest. The stars and tea leaves have been in line since last season. The apparent recruiting struggles completely make sense now.

Leonard. Duh.

I smell a top 10 finish for our defense. Bud will find a way to go out on top.

I'm just here to sling some legs

Well at least we have the schedule to make that a possibility!

I wanted to give you a leg but you were at 25. I will wait until someone else put you over that magical number.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

Someone has pushed you over magic 25, so I'm back with the promised leg.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

I guess this explains our recruiting as of late......

Sucks..but Thanks Bud for everything you've done!!

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

I'm crying. Real tears. At work.

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Heard Venables is going to fill his spot. (I did not hear this)

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One of the very best to ever do it. Hopefully this group of kids can send him out with a "VT Defense" we are used to seeing Bud build and coach. Sad day. Hopefully Coach Fuente and Whit don't hire on the cheap to replace him.

Who are the likely candidates for replacement?

JHam

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I would be shocked. Great guy and promising position coach and recruiter, but doesn't have the resume yet IMO. I would guess it will be an outside hire that Fuente is familiar with/worked with in the past.

Venables. (I'm going to keep saying this until it is a thing)

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At risk of derailing this thread about Foster, I'm surprised how Venables name never comes up as a serious HC candidate for schools every year. I know he's paid well but you'd think there would still be programs out there going for him hard. I guess he's Clemson's version of Bud Foster

I think his son plays for Clemson now(think he's gonna be a freshman) so he's probably there for at least 4 more years

Two sons are about to be there. I really hope he leaves for a HC job soon.

I have a feeling his name doesn't come up, because his agent is told not to float his name out there...the opposite of what Fedora did. I think he is just happy where he is, for now.

Al Groh

edit: he always made our defense look great

Someone that will work for around half of Bud's salary. Not Galen Scott, not Charlie Wiles, and not Torrian Gray. My money is on a CUSA/AAC coordinator.

If that really is the play, I said it on Reddit, but I would be supportive of David Reeves the guy at UAB. For one his program building chops can't eb doubted as he came on board during their hiatus to start the total reconstruction.

And even accounting for the level of competition fielded a top 10 scoring, and total defensive unit and was a Broyles Finalist.

Galen Sc.... oh wait, never mind.

Using /s is for cowards.

The gift that keeps on giving.

It's pretty hard to blame Fuente. It's not like he didn't have a plan.

JC Price would likely be considered, Marshall has had a nice D under his leadership. Wiles could be considered. JHam is probably too green. I wouldn't mind a JC Price hire with a Jack Tyler promotion to LB Coach. That would be the most stable way to go about it.

Outside the network, probably plenty of names.
Bryan Brown is DC at Louisville and had some nice D's at Appy St previously.
Derek Nicholson is Co-DC at Southern Miss and they had a stout D last year.
Probably plenty of people touched by the UGA, Clemson, Bama network that would jump at the chance.
Probably plenty of retread DC's who would do a nice job.

It's a wide open world out there.

This offseason has been a killer.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

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this is going to feel like Frank retiring all over again. Hurry up and get your Pitt tickets now.

I'll be very interested in seeing if we elect to fill the defensive staff out with Bud's former players turned coaches and try to maintain that identity or start over. Who are some of the longest tenured/most successful coaches who played under Bud's system?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I would have T Gray on line one right now, but it may be tough to pull him from UF and his home state at this point in time. Plus no idea what his rapport with Fu would be since he departed suddenly after Fu arrived.

Would also be excellent to get Loren Johnson on staff somehow, but I don't think he could jump straight to the DC role from high school, even though he has been spectacular there and likely a great recruiter.

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There's several other former Hokie coaches/players I'd rather see as DC before Torrian Gray. Dude was making questionable decisions left and right before he bailed to FL.

JC Price, Torrian Gray? I can't think of any others that aren't high school coaches.

The last thing we need to do is fill the role with someone who would be doing any learning on the job.

If we don't replace Bud with an excellent, proven DC who we pry out of another role with dollar bills, things could get ugly.

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Yeah, I think we whip out the checkbook on this one.

It's a great job, so there will be interest.

And even a 750k salary allocated to the gig would solidly put them in the top 1/3 of coordinators nationally, 1-1.2mil puts them top 20 for all coordinators.

If we can't win the Coastal with allocating for one of the 10 best paid DC's in the nation then the entire endeavor is due for a reset.

First thoughts...
1) Call Clemson's D-Line coach
2) Wiles as a short-term solution
3) Gene Chizik

I know French has described our defense as the defensive equivalent of the triple option... I wonder how much of schematic change we'll undergo.

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Our defense is very similar to Clemson's outside of the way we crosskey our DL. It would not be a huge transition for the back seven if we took someone from the Venables tree, or another gap-fit style defense.

Well shit...

Hire Paul Johnson then. Problem solved.

Leonard. Duh.

If we bring on Chinballs, I'm out.

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This is a tough situation because of all the recent hires we have made on that side of the ball. Any big time DC will want to assemble his own staff. I am really excited about the return of all the young Hokie coaches we hired and don't want to see them let go from the transition yet there isn't anyone on this staff that I think is ready to jump in for Bud.

Coach Foster is everything I adored about my Hokies. Coach Beamer could take a 3-0 lead and then say, "Fuck you. I've got Bud Foster. I dare you to score."

This year he deserves no less then every fan on their feet screaming their balls off every time the defense steps on the field.

Leonard. Duh.

This makes me so sad...

Thanks for everything Bud!

What a savings

Recruiting has already faced the consequences, if anything this will help with 2021 prospects as coaches won't be able to use Buds age against us anymore.

It's up to Whit and Fuente how much it will help us depending on who they hire. Bud has earned the right to walk whenever he pleased.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Not worried about the future of VT football right now. Just time to salute a college football legend. Hope we see all the lunch pail D legends show their appreciation this year.

Hope they have a farewell tour planned across the ACC, like they've been doing in the NBA and MLB. He deserves it!

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

this actually makes me want to cry. I'll be filled with gratitude later. Right now the sadness. That guy right there coached his nuts off, and you can quote me on that shit.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

If anything, this is just the next step in the progression.

Fuente has been doing his job. He had a plan for this that didn't pan out. So we get up, brush ourselves off, and find the next DC.

Think about it. This is a great opportunity for a DC. A program with a great defensive tradition, ripe for someone who can coach and recruit.

Our hoops team was coming off 3 straight NCAA's and a sweet 16, and plays in the premier conference in the country. In 5 years Buzz Williams built it into a top 20 program. Whit hired Wofford's Coach. That was a head coach hire.

And by all accounts CMY is a guy who wants to be here (literally home, mind you, which seems to be how we sell our athletics department) to continue building the program here, not view our (now) top-20 program as a stepping stone to a big payday. after Brent Snake left us high and dry late in the coaching carousel cycle, I don't really know what else Whit should have or could have done, and I suspect we'll look back at the CMY hire as a shrewd move more than the splashy one we all wanted when the hire needed to be made.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think you mean 4-time SoCon Coach of the Year and 2019 Sporting News National Coach of the Year

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Right, who has never coached in the P5, much less ACC, and it wasn't an assistant hire.

just like stats, some work histories are prescriptive and some are descriptive. you see CMY as an underqualified candidate for an ACC head coach because of what he never was prior to the hire, I see someone that fit the exact profile of the kind of person we know can be successful at our university, who won't big-time us in a couple years like a Wojo might have.

For someone who always talks about being a realist, you sure do have a knack for being pessimistic about reality because you're comparing it to some alternative that didn't happen.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

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If Fuente doesn't pick a position coach from Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Clemson, or Ohio State, I'm not on board. Recruiting. Recruiting. Recruiting. That's the only thing on my mind.

I mean this is pretty much it.

Without Foster, this staff isn't good enough to contend with classes ranked in the 25-30 range. In order to get where we need to be, recruiting must be the primary focus from here on out.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

YES! hire Tim Brewster- a career TE's coach as DC... Seriously. I'll take my chances with every 4 and 5 star defensive player in VA with the position coaches coaching them up.

Ideally, they'll know how to call plays too!

Wouldn't restrict it to those 5 schools, but I agree. AAR might actually consider VT for a DC role, that would be interesting.

I feel like a whole new thread is necessary for potential replacements.

Twitter me

Ok, so he has limited experience as a defensive position coach, but his resume is growing nicely. What about Shane Beamer as a DC?

I'm just here to sling some legs

Uh, that would be a hard no

Statue beside Frank, please.

I've been so somber since this news dropped. What an absolute legend. He's been the DC for VT for as far back as my memory can possibly go.

I guess now that's why they left room on the bench beside Frank. Definitely worthy of being right up there with him.

THIS!!!!

Touchdown Tech!!!

Sad to see a total legend leave, but Bud deserves a happy retirement. His name will forever be synonymous with VT football and defense. I hope we can send him off with a big successful year.

Also, UVa just lost the game this year by 50. I think an old school trip to the woodshed is in order.

Yes. The team owes Bud that.

With our schedule, we should aim to set a modern day record for fewest points allowed by a defense over the course of a season.

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This sucks, but we all knew it was coming sometime soon.

This sounds like an opportunity to bride the gap caused by the financial faux pas with TGray. He's connected to the school, can recruit, and could continue the legacy of DBU and the lunch pail.

This'll always be home, coach.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He is going to work directly for Whit for a few years.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I'm not ready for this. Feels worse than when Beamer retired.

I like Fuente and I'm all in on him, but something about having Bud there too eased my mind on the future. Now the level of uncertainty feels huge, and real.

This is exactly where I'm at too. I always felt Bud was the foundation for Fu who is still realistically growing as a head coach. This leaves major questions on how we move forward. I think attempts to groom an internal candidate were in an effort to keep a lot of the same defensive concepts and philosophy going after Bud left. His system is very unique, and if we want to keep it going, I think a candidate from the VT tree makes sense. Or do we start from scratch and bring in someone completely new? Will be interesting to see how this one moves forward.

My reaction: sad for 2 seconds,a nd then immediately fired up for this season!!! The D will know what is on the line, they will play with extra passion and effort all season long.

Fans need to show up for Foster every game and be loud every play!!

We will take over Lane North for his last regular season game!!!!!!!!!!

Let's GO!!!

I'm sad that he's retiring without ever getting a head coaching job of his own. Full disclosure, I was one of the TKPers on here advocating for Whit to just hire Bud as the HC after Beamer left. It just seems unfair because we see coordinators who don't have a quarter of his knowledge or resume get nice solid HC gigs. I don't know if he ever would've been a good head coach, but I would've loved to see him get that shot.

bud pls

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You don't have the best track record with this kind of thing.

Dabo pls

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I get it! Reverse psychology.

saban pls

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

i have no good track records with anything, really

edit: I'll stick to anagrams...

Bud Foster anagrams to Robust Def, and we'll all miss him because of that

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Definitely sad that he has to retire now, but for all his time coaching at Tech and what he has done for the program I'm glad it was on his terms to retire like Frank did and enjoy retirement the way he wants to.

I think it's not easy for him to retire because all he has done for the program and how much he loved coaching. But it seems that so many years coaching is catching up to him now and (if I remember correctly) dealing with injuries himself the past couple years wears down on a person. A coach's health is more important than just wins, losses, and stats as a person and human being.

I wish him a very rewarding, healthy, long, and happy retirement with his family and friends.

(Just a little less serious, but heartfelt message for him as a Horkie).

"T'at Boss was sure one of teh best by Gork and Mork! 'Owed t'em UVA gits some propa defense I tells ya, especially 38-0 bro, 'ight messed t'em up good for 15 'ears. 'Ets make it 16 now WAAAAGH!"

(Now serious again).
Wish you the best Bud and thank you for great memories in Lane especially in the heat of September wearing Dress A, being in the rain smelling like wet dog in the same uniform, and hands freezing on cold cymbals in November. Thanks for the memories Bud.

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"I am ya Grot!"

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Whelp, I think most of us suspected or had an inclination that it was only a matter of time (& on the brief side of it too).

I'd rather he stay, actually. Can someone let Bud know? I'm the guy who has been cheering for his defenses since 2002. He'll know me, the guy in maroon and a moderately elevated BAC.

:(

I'm at work, someone post the spiderman pointing at spiderman gif.

Gotchu fam.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Did not see this coming so soon. This guys love for Tech football is unmatched. I hope this defense can send him out the way he deserves.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I hope the WHOLE DAMN PROGRAM will.

Getting inspiration from Stanford, I motion to change the name of the defensive coordinator position to the "Bud Foster Minister of Defense".

Who would've thought when I took this at the 09 Spring Game, this would mean so much, 2019-2020 season is the end of a legacy, the last ride for the GOAT.

Side note: This would be the second to last VT game my dad and I went to together, may God rest his soul (2019), he was a VT fan solely because of me, and loved him some Coach Foster.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

My dad was the same way. He was an alum of the team in Columbus but loved the hard hitting Hokies when I was in school. We watched the 95 Sugar bowl together and he was into it more than me and with less bourbon! Miss him every day men.

I hear you, my pops just past in April, so this CLEARLY isn't on the level of losing him, is definitely a kick to the gut knowing the appreciation he had for him. Sorry for you loss AGR.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

I just hope that Whit and Fuente have a gameplan, and that feelers have been sent out to potential replacement targets if the announcement is being made this far in advance #InWhitWeTrust

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Well I'm officially not looking forward to hosting all of my die-hard PSU in-laws next September...

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Bud no, it is too soon. We are going to miss him. The whiteboards might start to feel safe.

Now we just have to have the statue made of Bud crouching next to Beamer like he did for many years.

Cody Grimm for his replacement.

Damn, this is hitting me hard for some reason. I'm getting choked up at work

This can't get enough legs. Dax is all Hokie.

The right stuff.

How soon until we can make Dax our DC. Figure 2 more years at VT, 15 years in the NFL, then position coach for us. Dax for DC in 2040?

Dax is certainly one of the few who could match Bud's june bug eating intensity.

I find the timing of this announcement odd. Could they not have waited until later in the season until we could actually start a search for a replacement?

EDIT: what you guys are saying makes total sense. Hadn't thought of it that way.

I think it is smart. VT doing right by the players. Not ideal, but no surprises mid season or immediately after signing day for the players and their families. This way, no distractions, everyone knows what is on the table, and go into Fall camp focused, dialed in, and with extra stakes (Foster's last season) on the line.

I was going to comment to say the same thing, this is an absolute class move by Foster to announce this now.

This isnt the NFL, Whit and Fuente can start looking today.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Don't know why you edited your comment - same thing I'm wondering. Instead of "Bud's gonna retire soon" being used against us on the trail possibilities, it's now replaced with, "you have zero idea who your DC is at VT."
I cannot recall another DC ever announcing BEFORE a season starts that they're retiring. Someone with a better memory correct me?
Why now? Why today? Couldn't wait until after our bowl game?
I dunno man, to me, this is weird. Not dead fish smells, but timing seems to be very strange. Help me not feel weird about this.

Not funny. Not funny. And now the baby is upset.

I will be devastated when this season ends and Bud is retired. But at the moment, this news is getting me fired up! The dude is going to coach his nuts off this season and his players are going to play their nuts off! Can you imagine the emotions, the inspirational speeches that will be taking place in the locker room and on the sidelines this year!?

It is going to be epic! Since having kids (young ones), I've only managed to get to 1-2 games per year. I'm going to do everything I can to be at every game this season!

And I'm definitely going to Lane North on Black Friday to watch Foster go out with 16 straight!

Also, can you imagine how many of his former players will make an extra effort to get back for some games. This season is going to be a celebration of Bud! The coastal is weak, our schedule is weak, let's make the most of this, get to the ACCCG and surprise Dabo and his Tigers!

They are honoring Bud at the Wake Forest Game and the '99 team at the Duke game.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Why not honor Bud at the UVA game? I mean he does own that stadium

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This is the way Beamer did it.

Class act all the way.

Freaking civilized and family-like. Gives the team the opportunity to optimize in terms of replacement. Gives Bud the opportunity to do it the way he wants.

Not every team can do it this way.

Name a more iconic duo:

I can't.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

Most iconic duos in order:

1) Mary and Joseph
2) Frank and Bud
3) Wayne Campbell and Garth Algar

It hits you right in the feels when he starts talking about the opportunity Beamer gave him.

I'm just here to sling some legs

120 days only gets us to the UVA game. Come on Bud, don't you know you'll be expected to coach in the ACCCG and the CFP too!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK

I WAS IN A MEETING FOR ONE HOUR! ONE HOUR AND YOU ALL LET THIS HAPPEN?! NOW WE GOTTA BEAT EVERYONE JUST SO I FEEL BETTER!

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic. Frequently misspells words.

The moral of this story:

Never go to meetings.

Wasn't there a thread recently about when the best time to buy your single game tickets was? Welp...prices just got higher

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Here's to you Bud....

AS tough as Sam is...Bud would kick his ass!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I feel like I remember someone saying that that Bud was going to go out the same time Dax graduates.

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

They lied.

Bud was the man! He did more with less than any coach in the country. Number one in sacks, sack yardage, interceptions and third down percentage - getting his defense off the field. All with mostly 2 and 3 stars that no one else could find. He loved the blitz, and hanging hos dbs out on the island. His players responded, and thrived in his system. He will be missed, and tech should put a statue out by Frank to commemorate him. Bud, you were the man.

Well shit.

That's putting it lightly.

#Let's Go - Hokies

This is probably the worst thing that has happened to me as a Hokies fan in my life.

Unfortunately we all knew it would have to happen eventually. He will go out a legend. My favorite coach. God bless you bud.

Man, so much for the new diet. I need to feed the stress for the next year......😭😭😭😭😭😭

Go Hokies!

Picked the wrong week to stop eating ice cream by the gallon.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

By the quart can still be effective.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Anyone second guessing not giving him the head coaching gig now? I only ask because I dont think this would be happening if he was head coach.

Touchdown Tech!!!

What if it did?

Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi. Tech, Tech, V.P.I.
Sola-Rex, Sola-Rah. Polytech- Vir-gin-I-a.
Ray, Rah, V.P.I. Team! Team! Team!

Then it would have happened? I just wanted to hear others opinions.

Touchdown Tech!!!

I'm really itching for this season to start now...not because Bud is leaving, but I believe this group will do everything they can to make sure he goes out a winner. While we (some more than others) have been bitching and complaining about recruiting rankings and whether or not Fuente is right for VT, the team has developed a genuine togetherness over the off season. I wholeheartedly believe every player on that defense will play their asses off for Bud and for themselves...who wants to be the defense that killed the Lunchpail? Anyhow here's to the speculation being almost over and we can see what this group of men is about. Let's Go...

HOKIES!!!

Look Coach, I know the schedule is terrible this season, but giving us a heart attack is no way to sell tickets.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

No
Bud
Anymore

😭

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Hear me out:
Hire him as Defensive Quality Control

No recruiting, no stress of gameday coaching, just player development and assisting the new DC with schemes.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

No recruiting, no stress of gameday coaching, just player development and assisting the new DC with schemes

If they do as I would like and hire an established DC he will have his own system.
With respect, the recruiting had become stale not unlike CFB.
New blood is needed for a fresh breath.
Build on this legacy.
Don't go cheap Whit!

Thanks Bud for all the sacks, pic sixes and TFL! I'd support a statue next to CFB!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

The Boston College offense just pissed right down Chestnut Hill. The defense this year is going to be fully dipped people!

Thank you Bud, for everything to gave to Virginia Tech football. You were a huge part of BeamerBall and making us love watching defense. Here's to re-enacting 1999 in 2019, going undefeated and playing for the title!
LET'S GO!!!!

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Don't we have a co defensive coordinator?

#Let's Go - Hokies

It was Galen Scott. I don't think anyone else took that title after he resigned.

Im in a glass case of emotion

There goes my "2021 or 2022 is our fuckin year!" thoughts....

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

Yeah, but look out in 2023!!

Thanks for all the memories Bud!!!! You (along with Frank) made VT football what it is today!!!!

This hurts. When Fuente came in I had this feeling that once we got the O rolling and Bud still running a stout D we could get back to national prominence. I really did want that for Bud after all those years of his unit carrying the weight. Hope he has a long happy retirement and stays in some way involved with the program. Cannot wait to see those guys playing their asses off for him this year.

Pfft. Kinda selfish that he's going to retire after only one national title.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes.

If you see these characters, they represent specific people (as of Oct. 2):

Palpatine (Fuente) || Vader (Hooker) (probationary)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

With no contract extension being completed, I was starting to wonder if this could be his last year. Then no news broke while Andy Bitter was on vacation, and I figured we were in the clear.

Well, so much for the "this offseason was better than last one" thread we had going...

HTHokie93

Every new beginning comes from some other begininning's end.

Unfortunately this end came way too soon. Thanks for everything Bud!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

2 parts:

  1. Thanks, Bud
  2. Thoughts on the decision

Here it is.

1. Bud Foster is a literal defensive genius and he's the only defensive coordinator I ever really remembered at VT. We were so lucky to have him in the program for so many years - probably more than people like me, who don't really have a deep understanding of the game, realize. The game is always changing and Bud will leave having held his ground among the very best coordinators for nearly 25 years. That is truly remarkable. Tip of the cap. Sniffle. High five, Bud. Thank you for the many, many amazing memories. Fall Saturdays will literally never be the same without you and without you, they may have never been that much fun to begin with.

2. Primarily, I like the decision because I think it really is Bud's decision. The timing is great because we have set ourselves up for several things. Time to find a great replacement, no drama, reckoning with short term recruiting, and a potential media/program crescendo moving away from the true "last straw" of the Frank Beamer on-field legacy if we can have a "good" season. Do I feel it is time for Bud to go? Not the same way as I felt about Frank's retirement, no. But it's not way too soon, and I think Bud will go out on a high note - reminding everyone of his legacy and just how good he is. Neither the media nor the college football world will have to look back very far to remember what exactly he meant to the program and college football in general.

"How you doin', Randy?"

33 years of upholding the team...thanks Bud!

I'm hoping his successor will be named early, and the team can bond with the new coach and celebrate Bud though the season.

Is there a current staff member that is qualified to be the head man, not just next-in-line? It will be hard to fill Bud's shoes, with the clout he carried and the way he commands the defense. The players feel his wrath, but also know his love for them.... and it shows.

THANKS BUD!

Well, looks like there's only twelve games left for some intrepid sideline reporter to crack the mystery of what that lunch-pail-looking thing is and why his defense is always carrying it around.

Very sad news for VT but I'm happy for him; I've seen a few of his interviews and his Job is not easy, often spending late..late nights going over lots details.

I'm very sad that he never got the opportunity to become a head coach, who knows maybe the future has something for him, at 59 he could be considered young.

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