Potential DC Hires

I didn't think we would need a thread not even 2 hours after Bud announced his retirement but that thread has been taken over.

So here we go. What are people looking for in next DC? What is Fuente/Whit budget? What is normal historical hire for programs between top 10 and 30? Promote from within (who). Hire position coach from other P5 school? DC from lower P5 higher G5 school?

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What is Fuente/Whit budget?

Whatever the fuck it needs to be to land the best DC we can find.

We're replacing a very highly paid legend, we better as hell act like it.

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This. I swear to gawd, if I walk away from this particular recruiting/hiring process feeling underwhelmed, I don't think I can support the current athletic admin's decision. CMY was the first hire where I was kinda "meh", but looking at it after the fact it makes sense and I'm on board. But if we don't at least swing for the fences with the replacement of a legend, a legend I personally feel is the first position in the VT Mt. Rushmore, then I'm going to be pissed, sad, and disappointed.

Perhaps I'm already pissed, sad, and disappointed, but hopefully Whit manages to not make it worse.

Hell there are only about 25 Coordinators on either side of the ball above the 1mil/yr mark, even shaving off the last few years of raises for Bud leaves Tech with a budget to hire someone with experience, and who is desirable to other programs and win a bidding war against most teams. Having the 10th best paid DC in the nation is still a great position to be in if it translates to similar on field and recruiting performance, doubly so in the ACC Coastal.

The question obviously is always if we will actually use the entire budget.

100%. Recruiting the way we are, we're not going to be able to compete without a guy like Foster saving our ass. If we go the $600k or Illinois St route, I'm going to be very nervous for the future.

Recruiting is part of the package we'll be hiring.

So I'm hoping that will be part of the consideration.

It had better be.

*edited for spelling error

HTHokie93

Honestly?

In my opinion, it needs to be the top priority on the defensive side of the coaching staff. We saw with Bud over the last few years that even if you have elite preparation and game day strategics from the coaching staff, you're going to have a tough time beating any of these elite teams that are in our way. And we have to go in with the assumption that its only a matter of time before one of our peers in the Coastal takes the next step and starts putting out strong to elite teams as well, so we need to hire to keep up.

Primary focus needs to be to get a recruiting staff that can bring in elite players to allow us to compete. Then worry about the gameday coaching to make them good enough on the field.

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I understated it, but I'm in complete agreement.

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yeah, to further my point, its getting a little worrisome watching schools like GT and UNC round out their entire coaching staffs with a main focus on elite recruiting. With everything that's going on, and how last year went for VT in particular, and seeing how our current recruiting situation looks... man, its making me very uneasy about the future. More than I was when Beamer retired.

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I'm not.

I have a lot of confidence in Whit and Fuente to get this right.

VT football is a great opportunity for the right DC, so I think we'll get a decent one.

You are correct if they open the checkbook. I agree 100%. If they don't open the checkbook- which Whit really hasn't lately in other sports- then they will try to out research, out smart, and take a chance with an unproven guy- which is a 50/50 proposition. They could also go conservative and hire a decent, safe P5 DC that won't break the bank. Honestly I think those two are more realistic than VT going out and paying a high priced big time guy.

Whit has a pretty good record of supporting the "high priority" sports in an optimal way. We do more with less because frankly, we have to. But he does open the checkbook enough to make what needs to happen, happen.

We'll find out a bit about Fuente's philosophy with this hire. This is a huge hire for him.

Curious how this marries with Fireman's breakdown of how we're climbing into the red? Can't expand facilities but can hire a Top 25-worthy DC?

I was thinking that Bud-level money is already in the budget.

Unless there is a moron somewhere running the budget, you are correct.

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But adding in schools that don't report salaries I don't think Bud was making top 20 DC pay, or if he was it was right at 20.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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That would leave the private schools and maybe the service academies.
Outside of Stanford, USC, ND, and Miami, which ones could we assume pay their DC more than we pay Bud?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

PSU and Pitt also don't report.

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I'm not seeing anything that limits their choice. They've got some room for options.

Ah, yes, their "state-related" status.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

UVA did it with Mike London and look how that went.

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It's not just GT and UNC, it's also UMD and Penn State, UGA, SCar, and Clemson.

In my mind, there's 5 metropolitan areas we should focus on - DMV/Baltimore (I'm counting this as one), Charlotte, Richmond, 757, and Atlanta. Ideally, we want to 'own' at least two of these - Charlotte and one of the VA/DC areas, while having solid ties in each. Right now we have a strong presence in the Charlotte area and that's it. PSU is owning DC/MD, and UMD will start taking more. Atlanta is owned by UGA and Clemson, but GT is going to take slices away from us. UNC is going to eat away our position in Charlotte.

10 years ago PSU was trending down, UNC and UMD were focused on basketball and meddling in mediocrity, GT had accepted its fate as a nerd school that prioritized scheme over talent, and Clemson was just starting it's rise to glory. The recruiting landscape is completely different, and if we fail to recognize that, we're walking into a gun fight with a knife.

Edit: three words.

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Sounds like we're making inroads in the jacksonville area lately too

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Fantastic post. We need to hire more support staff, hire a 21st century marketing team- university wide- and in my opinion focus our recruiting on the two things that I think matter most to the modern elite recruit... 1. A proven path to the NFL, and 2. Playing and winning big time marquee games to generate hype from ESPN, etc. Every school plays on TV now- every P5 league has a TV package where you can see Syracuse vs. Wake on a main outlet now. "TV" is not a sell to recruits like it used to be. VT used that in recruiting saying we "owned thursday nights" - well Mashall can tell recruits that "all of our games are on fox sports 1 or an affiliate".. the game has changed. We need to sell NFL prep and big time, marquee TV games- like Clemson or ND on a Saturday night on ABC- we need to win those games when we play them. Facilities now are a lot like TV. Wake forest and NC state and ECU have "great facilities" compared to what teams had 15-20 years ago, so I think that is a wash. If a 5 star player really wants to come to VT, our facilities are MORE than good enough. We have the best indoor facility in America- read- its not a bubble or shallow roof pole barn... We have a great game day stadium, etc. NFL and winning marquee hyped prime time games... That's how our recruiting improves.

Like Brent Venables at Clemson, getting $2 mil. Bud was only getting about $1 mil.

If our offense produces, there is far less pressure on the D (and DC), ..... obviously.

I admittedly have no clue what his relationship has been like with us since graduating, but if we don't at least kick the tires on Todd Grantham then I'll be severely disappointed.

Yes.

Please let us take someone good from Florida.

Good relationship and have heard that he does want to be back here. We'd have to kick up some serious cash but I think that's the only thing that would hold him back.

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Brent Venables

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brent pls

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Elite defensive position coach route: Clemson ideally, sabotage their recruiting a little, break up their staff continuity, bring a similar defensive system (outside of DL utilization), easy transition for back seven, coach that knows how to croot and has relationships established nationwide.

If we go the G5 DC route: David Reeves from UAB.

If we go the lower P5 DC route: Give Jon Heacock whatever he wants (I doubt he leaves for anything but a HC job or a huge raise).

Those are three off the top of my head. It's way too early to know who the realistic candidates for this are.

Iowa State is doing things defensively in the big 12 that people didn't think was possible, that would be a great hire (on the surface at least, maybe a lot of that might be Campbell?)

Problem with Heacock is that he is 58. This may create some of the rumored recruiting issues we were having with Bud (nearing retirement?)

Great point. I wasn't thinking about that when I fired these off the dome.

I think there is also a pretty good relationship with Campbell and Heacock from what I've read. They were together at Toledo after Heacock resigned as the HC of Youngstown St. I'm thinking Heacock is enjoying calling plays again and probably doesn't leave for anything but a good HC job as it would probably be his last job before retiring.

Torian Gray.

This would also make me happy and I feel like it is almost as much of a stretch as Venables

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That's not happening, as much as I'd like it to.

I think he is enjoying the fact he doesn't need to recruit anymore.

Uh..totally

Forgot he went back. Thought he was still in the NFL.

Tony Gibson, who's currently cooling his heels at NC State with no buyout

I can see how that might be appealing to some on the outside, but as someone who follows NC State football almost as regularly as VT I'd say absolutely not. His good defenses have been when the talent was absolutely off the charts (5 D linemen drafted I think 2 first round including Bradley Chubb). Even then they still struggled and some of the stops they got were flat out lucky. I'd much rather have someone who can coach up talent than relies on it to even put up a mediocre unit.

Bro, Tony Gibson was the DC at WVU and is in his first season at NC State. None of what you said above applies.

😬 I was thinking of Huxtable then, had no clue they were doing the Co-DC thing now.

See NC State plucking VT Defensive targets lately as a reason to consider him.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Dave Huxtable - the actual DC is not the reason for recruiting success at NC State.

Didn't Mr Huxtable (Cosby) get sent to prison?

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Yep, but have you seen Theo lately? Plays The Raptor on The Resident. Young Theo has turned into one seriously grown-a$$ man.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

It won't be big money. Whit will hire an under the radar guy, who he honestly thinks is an up and comer. We are not going to pay/hire a big time P5 DC to switch jobs.

Long time lurker and first time poster. I have to say that I am depressed over the news about Bud's retirement. I think many of us saw this coming since there was no news about his contract extension being signed. I doubt Torrian would take the job so I am hoping that Todd Grantham gets a look. Maybe JC Price. Any chance Prioleau gets moved into an on the field coaching role?

Maybe we can snatch Mike Elko from Texas A&M as a thank you to them for Buzz.

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Bill Belichick anyone?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Or his current body double Brett Bielema!

Can't recruit, pass. /s

Long shot I would like to at least call is Matt House late of Kentucky. Dude did wonders with a mediocre offense and really just one good player in Josh Allen. Has SEC coordiantor experience and didnt shit the bed at a place where its very easy to, and is currently with the Chiefs, so a year of learning from Andy Reid sure isnt the worst thing in the world. Has also worked for Paul Chryst, John Fox, and of course Mark Stoops.

Possibly more realistic and also not connected to VT at all, but with absolutely proven program building chops is David Reeves down at UAB, young, stuck with the program during the hiatus years, and then went out and put a top 10 scoring defense on the field in year 2 of the return and was a Broyles finalist last year.

Torrian Gray, and don't tell me it can't happen. He wouldn't even consider it with an apology, a phone call from Fu asking him to come back and become the heir to the GOAT at his alma mater, and 2x his current salary?? I'd bet otherwise.

I'm seeing a lot of Torrian talk. Ask yourselves this, if we hired a db coach from some other school, would you consider it an underwhelming hire? We shouldnt let our homer glasses put Torrian on some kind of pedestal he doesn't fit on. Broaden your pool of candidates in this case.

I'm not saying he couldnt do the job either. I just have doubts he is the most qualified.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

I agree 100%

I mean if continuing Bud's defensive brilliance is in any way a goal the guy who worked under him for years and was always thought to be DC in waiting if Bud took another position makes him a little more qualified than "a DB coach from another school."

Still, it would be glorious to take something away from Florida for once.

I also agree. TG did his thing here for a while, but also has a checkered history with decisions especially at the end. He doesn't have good relationships with lots of folks and definitely isn't the most I think we could do way better.

Bud groomed him for this job, he has NFL and SEC experience, and is an ace recruiter. Not to mention he is the guy that has connections and coached up the majority of our "DBU" NFL guys. They're definitely going to be more willing to come back and be involved with their guy running the defense. He also would continue our the tight knit hokie family feeling tech has, even though in reality it would be bringing a fresh new face in. I think he is overly qualified and we'd be lucky to have him. However, without maybe the miracle of Bud convincing him to take the call, i think we burned that bridge.

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Apparently there is some buzz that he might be willing to let bygones be bygones for the DC job. We will have to wait and see. Before he had his pay reduced and left, I thought he was damn near guaranteed to be our next DC.

I honestly think Coach Fuente is trying to move away from the Beamer era and not more towards it. I don't think he will even consider TG for this job.

Unfortunately I think you might be right, which doesn't bother me if he finds someone as equally or more qualified. But, if we bring in someone else not connected to Tech and he isn't the same level hire as TG, then i'll be a little pissed we didn't at least call him.

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This is my thought too, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. This is Fuente's program, he should treat it as such and make the best available hire for his team's culture and his team's needs.

If Torrian or Wiles fits that mold, then great. If not, then I expect us to find the right guy.

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It would be a complete lack of wisdom and surrender to one's pride then if he wouldn't consider all options, even if there was some link to Beamer and the past

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: β€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Yup, an "ace" recruiter who ignores the parents of a 4-star CB on a visit, and hands out offers like candy to players not cut out for P5 rosters

hands out offers like candy to players not cut out for P5 rosters

Hmm... maybe Torrian and Fuente can find common ground together after all.

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(I couldn't resist the joke here even though I still trust the coaches at this point regarding recent offers which others consider highly questionable)

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Ask yourselves this, if we hired a db coach from some other school, would you consider it an underwhelming hire?

Disagree... Torrian was a big part of game planning with Bud back in the day on some Really good D:s and should have no issues handling the job.

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

That's fine but will you be ok hiring another team's db coach that was part of good defenses?

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Torrian isn't mature enough. He could barely keep himself together during games. Grant it that was at the beginning of his coaching career. He was way to emotional in a weird way.

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That was 12-15 years ago. I think he's good.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I'm definitely liking the idea of taking a notable power P5 defense and taking a position coach. It would keep us in budget, recruiting prowess, and a decent scheme. Venables, tree as mentioned in the other thread, makes the most sense.

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Tony Gibson is a potential candidate I believe. He wasn't retained at WVU after Holgorsen left, but he always fielded one of the better defenses in the Big 12 (not saying much, I know, but bare with me here). I assume he has a pretty good relationship with Bryan Mitchell which could be something that is factored in. He did very well in recruiting at WVU, especially from an evaluation point of view. My one concern with him is that damn 3-3-5 that WVU has been hellbent on running since Rich Rodriguez was their coach. He is co-DC at NC State this year I believe, and I don't think they run a 3-3-5, so maybe we should give him a serous look after this season.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

State will run more 3-3-5 this year.

Well, given our DT depth, maybe it's not such a bad idea.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Bart Venables

We'll have to go with Bort, they are all out of Bart.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Corey Moore...the press conferences would be glorious!!!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

That GOAT noise at the end.... PRICELESS.

The GOAT of pregame interviews!

Spence Nowinsky. He's a G5 coach with the Illinois State connection.

Book it.

Nardouche when Pitt fires him, I'm dead serious. If Pitt doesn't fire him then Will Muschamp when SC fires him. If SC doesn't fire him then Derek Mason when Vanderbilt fires him.

Nardouche when Pitt fires him

Hard pass

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He's an asshole but legendary D coordinator. Theres some people you hate till they're on your team, I think that's how he'd be

HARD PASS.
His defensive scheme has been passed by and gets abused by a decent passing game. It really only works in the Big10.

Fuck Pat Narduzzi

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I wouldn't hate the Narduzzi hire. I loved watching his defenses at MSU. Reminded me of Bud's D in a lot of ways. I think he would be a solid hire, but suspect he won't settle for a DC gig.

I think we can forget about Muschamp. He'll be staying in the SEC for a lot more money than we can afford to offer him if the Cocks can him. If he doesn't land another HC gig, either Saban would hire him back (because you can just assume at this point that all Saban coordinators will be leaving for a head coaching job every year now.) or Auburn would do it just to piss off Bama.

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― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

I think I just had a stroke

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Offer Todd Grantham $1.5 and don't look back. Time to nut up and make a bigboy hire.

I don't think TG is realistic as long as Fuente is HC.
AA-R doesn't have as much experience as I'd like, but if we're going the cheap route, I'd look at him first.

Definitely agree with TG but not sure why it's not realistic with Fuente as coach. The dude worked for Bobby F'ing Petrino for 3 years why wouldn't he come work with Fu

Edit: Its come to my attention there are two TG's

i was disappointed to find out that this would actually be a pay cut for him

Per an open records request, Grantham's salary increases by $100,000 annually. He will make $1.39 million this season, $1.49 million in 2019 and $1.59 million in 2020.

Could use some of that ACCN money ASAP, but if there was ever a use for it...

This site says $1.8 million

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AAR is an interesting pick, one I'm curious about. He knows the region well and can recruit well too.

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A hard no for me on Grantham.

Is it basketball season yet?

Who is AAR?

Aazaar Abdul-Rahim. The UMass DC this year. Had been DB coach at UMD. Strong recruiter from the DC area - an area with a ton of talent where we haven't had inroads since Moorehead was here. Not an ideal candidate given his lack of DC experience, but would be a solid guy to give consideration if we'd be silly enough to only spend $500-600k

That would be a huge ask for someone to transition from Bud's Defense...I think we could add him as DL coach of CW leaves, but i dont know about DC

As Chris Coleman pointed out- DC players don't pan out in Blacksburg for whatever reason. Josh Morgan is really the only one in recent memory.

If you restrict it to just DC, but we've had a ton of successful players from the DMV area

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Yeah, DC really doesn't have any great programs to speak of, and definitely not on the public school side.

I don't plan to live in DC when my kids hit high school age, not just because all of the high schools struggle educationally, but also because they don't have great athletic options.

there have been plenty of P5-tier football players to come out of the District, the ones that come to VT just generally don't seem to work out, and the reasons cover the full spectrum of college football attrition. (talking high-3 and 4-star caliber prospects). I don't think there's inherently anything different about DC that causes this, just an interesting coincidence. Coleman over at TSL chalks it up to "big city to small town in the mountains" culture shock, but I dont but much stock in that theory.

You can put stock in the fact that the school two blocks from my home in a fancy historic neighborhood has a 25% literacy rate and is still in the top half of DC public schools. You can put stock in the fact that all of the public high schools that maintain football programs were just caught up in a district-wide grade manipulation scandal that graduated hundreds of ill-prepared students for years.

DC is not like most other school districts. That's why, if you don't lottery into the right charter school, and you can't afford to pay $40k per year to send your kid to private school, you're banished to the sprawling sub-urban hell-scape known as Northern Virginia.

The rest are stuck in one of the worst public education systems in the US.

#Murica

This is where I'm coming from.

DC has like one public and one charter high school that will prepare your child for future education from my understanding, the others are all over the place.

Right now, my boys "won" the lottery and are in a Tier 1 elementary school that also covers middle school, so we are feeling good to that point (though there is still worry that it is a good fit). This has been a lot of stress on us, worrying about the quality of their education.

Add in that there are and continue to be constant growth and changes in the schools. So you have a ton of people trying to get into the top schools, leaving the other schools to flop. The top schools also keep expanding, which has become a problem itself. For example, all the language immersion schools created a high school that they would feed into. Well, a lot of the elementary and middle schools opened a second location, and now those kids are back into a lottery to get into that high school.

It's a weird dynamic, you have old high schools that have been around for decades, which are now not even half capacity, and you have others that have a huge waiting list.

I would consider the Fuller family to be from the DC-area and they panned out pretty well for us. If you don't count them, I get it.

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he's talking specifically about the Washington DC jurisdiction, not the VA/MD suburbs. And the Fullers were more Baltimore area than DC area anyway.

I think it'd be downright disrespectful if we dont at least interview Charley Wiles. Great recruiter, knowledge of the system and good relationship with current roster (probably)

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The common assumption around Blacksburg was that Wiles was going to hang it up when Bud does- Wiles and Bud are best friends, I don't see him fighting under another general. As far as I'm concerned, if Wiles wants the job, he should get it.

if Wiles wants the job, he should get it.

I think this is an approach to hiring we should absolutely avoid at all costs.

I agree with you. We should get whomever we feel is most qualified and the best person for our program. I don't think that can't be Wiles, but I definitely think it probably isn't Wiles. Next hire says a lot about what our priorities as an athletics department are

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Inner Monologue: Fuck man, I just got pwn3d. 50 legs vs. 5 legs.

Point withdrawn.

FWIW, if there's anyone that understands...

No we shouldn't just hand it to someone. We should interview everyone and see what's our best possible option, however if that is Wiles, i feel confident in the hire and in his ability to do the job. I hope we don't just shit on this hire if it does happen to be an inside hire.

Gobble Till You Wobble

You hire Wiles who I think would be a great coach, he probably hangs them up in a few years too. So you are right back in the same predicament in a few years.

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the exact same thing applies to any coach though. Whether they are retiring, moving on for a promotion or for more $$, or simply getting fired, there should never be an assumption that an assistant will be around for more than 4-5 years.

Anyone have a good rundown on Venables staff?

Their CB coach has been on staff for 6 years. Their DL and S coaches have been on staff since 2017, so not a ton of tenure across the board beyond Venables

Bummer. I was hoping we could get a head start on the Acc filling up with Dabo disciples like the SEC did for Saban

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Quick run-down of how major schools have filled their DC vacancies in the past few years:
Alabama - Promoted from within (previously UTSA DC)
Georgia - Promoted from within
Penn State - Promoted from within (a Bud Foster disciple no less)
Ohio State - A P5 position coach
Notre Dame - Promoted from within
Oregon - G5 DC

While I'm sure everyone wants a home-run/"elite"/proven hire, I think it's interesting to point out that that's not necessarily how the big programs operate. We absolutely need to nail this hire and should allocate the resources to get someone top-notch, but please don't freak out if it's not an established, already great at the P5 level DC, because that kind of negativity is unfounded.

it better not be greg schiano tho

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HARDEST PASS THERE IS. You can't undo letting Maryland dropping 50+ on you

One more, not a traditional power but consistently great defense with a profile similar to our's:
Wisconsin - Hired from within someone with literally one year of college coaching experience to his name (this would be the exact equivalent of hiring JHam)
And their previous hire, the now elite Aranda? G5 DC from Utah State

Again, our expectations should be high, but just illustrating that hires come in all kinds, even for the biggest/most accomplished programs in the country

Totally different situation. Wisconsin infuriates me. Theyve hemorrhaged defensive coordinators over the last 5 years (4 in 5 years I believe) and their defense has suffered as a result, slowly but surely. They have the money to pay them but just dont because #reasons. They believe they can just plug in the next guy and be fine but that only works to an extent. Theyve lost alumnus from their own school because they wont offer top 10 dcs a fair market deal

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

I'm sure fans are mad, fans are always mad, but you're really overstating the results; they're defense has been elite more often than not, and their floor has been ~30th. Before Leonhard they had Aranda, there was just no way they were keeping someone of that caliber against the LSU's of the world. Then they had Wilcox, a very good DC who helmed an elite defense in his one year and then was offered a HC job, no way they were keeping him. Then they made the Leonhard hire. (To recap, they hired a G5 DC, then an established P5 DC, then an inexperienced alumnus, they've basically hit the cycle). His first year defensive ranks in Total Defense and S&P+ were 2nd and 4th. Last year was a down year for sure, they still finished 29th in both, and that's with recruiting classes barely better than top 40. One year does not make a trend, so we'll see where it goes. Maybe they're are stubborn and cheap, or maybe they truly believe they have the next great coordinator and wanted to give him the opportunity instead of letting him go elsewhere.

That's all besides the point though, which isn't "let's hire Justin Hamilton", just that teams with elite defenses make all kinds of hires and we should judge based on the merit of the candidate and situation, not whether it fits our personal criteria of the "kind of hire" we should make.

I think this is great for perspective, but my guess is that the ideal internal candidates are no longer with the program or are too green and need some seasoning.

Oh for sure, I'm not saying we should hire internally or take any particular approach, just that there is no standard way to do this, and even the biggest programs don't necessarily make the splashiest, big name hires.

please don't freak out if it's not an established, already great at the P5 level DC, because that kind of negativity is unfounded.

I wholeheartedly agree with you but unfortunately there are already numerous posters essentially stating they are fully prepared to freak out no matter what.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Waaaayyyyyyyyy OT, but just read your signature and it made me LOL. Leg

Also Fuente was only a position coach for two years at TCU (technically G5 at the time, but still a top 10 team) before being promoted to OC from within.

Shane Beamer

No my knowledge, Shane has no experience on the D side of the game. So no.

Corners at Mississippi State and Outside Linebackers / Special Teams at USC(e)

I'm just here to sling some legs

Why not?

It seems to me that boxing glove on a stick principles could translate seamlessly to the other side of the ball.

On another note, I disagree with the premise that VT has to "nut up or shutup" and hire a marquee name. I want a no-name up and comer who I don't have to worry about leaving after his first year on the job. Some of the marquee guys some of you are mentioning are going to see the Hokies as the stepping stone to the SEC job,.

#JeffGrimes

Leonard. Duh.

I hear what you're saying - and I'm not saying I don't agree - but I have an honest question:

What SEC job? I mean, an SEC job is one thing, but which ones are really that desirable and likely to be open in the next 5-ish years? I'm not insinuating that there aren't any either - just to be clear. I'm truly curious what everyone thinks the pulse of the "good" SEC coaching jobs is like.

an SEC job is one thing, but which ones are really that desirable and likely to be open in the next 5-ish years?

10/14 SEC head coaches were hired less than 5 years ago but the SEC churns through coaches almost as quickly D2 through an undergrad's bowels. The only ones who have been around longer are Saban (12 years; he's 67 years old), Malzahn (6 years; on the hot seat), Mark Stoops (6 years), and Derek Mason (5 years).

Other than Saban and Kirby Smart, I'm not sure how confident I feel about the other coaches being at their current schools in 5 years. And if Saban happens to retire... all hell is going to break lose.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

SEC teams who will have new coaches in next 5 years. Auburn, Bama, USCe, Arkansas and Vanderbilt.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I could already imagine Ole Miss, LSU and Texas A&M changing within 5 years but I think it would be even more than that if Saban steps away.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I want a no-name up and comer who I don't have to worry about leaving after his first year on the job. Some of the marquee guys some of you are mentioning are going to see the Hokies as the stepping stone to the SEC job,.

If the hire is good one and produces elite defenses, we might be able to recreate one of the strongest selling points that we had so long for recruiting, i.e., Beamer-like coaching staff continuity.

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I have no problem hiring a Bud dude...as long as we can keep him around as an advisor/consultant to plan and install his system. We don't want to be like GT and change our system without the personnel to run a new system.

We put the K in Kwality

That's currently the plan from what I've read.
"He'll be around to Coach the coaches" from one of Whit's statements

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Candidates I'm immediately interested in:
Jon Heacock - Iowa State: That team is stopping Big 12 offenses with recruiting classes ranked in the 50s
Brent Pry - Penn State: Former VT GA under Bud, recruiting and playing defense at a top level, currently only makes $600k
Would be very interested in some strong G5 candidates but I won't pretend I can name those off the top of my head.

I don't think replacing a 60 year old with a 59 year old is a great idea

Welp, good call, that's why this is a spitball session, not a search firm list

I'd push back here... If you get 5 good years out of an older guy, he retires and you replace him. If you get 5 good years out of young guy, he probably leaves and you replace him.

There's four things we should be looking for in any hire:

  • Ability to coach players
  • Ability to recruit players
  • Ability to mentor and lead position coaches
  • Culture fit

If a coach can do all of those things, I don't care much about his age.

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This^

We need to get away from the notion that the next DC will be here for 3 decades if we get the right, young up-and-comer. Ain't happening

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Guy for Cincinnati Bearcats took them from 93rd nationally to top 10 defense in two years as DC

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Hard to say how much of that was him vs Fickell though

I wonder how much of that is the DC and how much of that is Luke Fickell.

EDIT: Welp, guess I better get drinking.

I have a hard time thinking about Tech football without Bud. I was upset enough without Beamer, but now without Bud it feels like our identity will be completely gone.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I like the idea of plucking a young position coach off a P5 school that's known for having a very good D.....why would a DC from a P5 school want this job?

We have a history of great defense, we're going to have one of the most experienced defensive corps in the nation next year, we're a fairly large national brand, and we're still pretty fresh from an HC change.

We're a slightly better than middle of the road P5 team. We're certainly not going to pluck a DC from a school that's better than us but we have the base to pluck from a school as good as us with a smaller name.

(add if applicable) /s

without reading any of the above...

VT pays well enough and is high profile enough to go outside the family for a top G5, a promising P5 position coach, NFL type, or even former P5 head coach. That means going to a new defensive system but also possibly overcoming one of the biggest historic barriers in VT bringing in top DL/LB talent, i.e., "Foster's D doesn't prep you for the NFL".

That said, rumblings since JHam was hired is that he is to be the future. While less likely now given his inexperience, it is not impossible if this season is viewed as a mentorship...put him in the booth next to Bud or on the sideline next to Bud. Risk" Yes. Possible? Also yes. If JHam needs more time and VT wants to keep the same system, one could also give Wiles a short term deal (2 years?) to give him an opportunity to show he can be a DC and/or to further groom JHam. If the D looks good this year, I think this increases the odds of staying in the family.

One can also soften the blow of wholesale staff turnover by temporarily moving Lechtenberg back to the front office and bringing in another position coach...like Daryl Tapp...that will be part of the new crew. Pearson Prioleau is already here as well. This would also help with continuity in recruiting, though with such a small class this is probably the year to make a change with the least impact.

It is also not impossible to bring back Galen. This is no doubt a minority opinion among VT alums but I'm not sure why 2 years in professional purgatory isn't enough of a punishment.

Well, that's all pretty interesting.

I'm open to any of it. We should get the best we can get.

We don't want Galen Scott to be our next defensive Coordinator and not just because of his past transgressions. I used to read the Memphis football blog to get a feel for our new coaches when Fuente was hired. Scott was not well liked among the Memphis fans because of his coaching. IMO we dodged a bullet when he left.

If things go well this year, I could see:

JHam and Wiles as Co-DCs. Hedge JHams inexperience

Hire Tyler as LB Coach

Push out Mitchell, hire Prioleau.

I was thinking the same thing. Has Fuente ever had Co D coordinators under him in the past?

I'm pretty sure Scott was Co-D Coordinator under Fuente

I'm sure he's learned his lesson, and won't let people stick it in anymore.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

In the Bash thread, it was noted that JHam was really getting it. Wonder if these discussions have been known for a while and things have already been in play.

Wonder if these discussions have been known for a while and things have already been in play.

We know this is the case. They've said as much. We just don't know exactly what their plan is.

Bud Foster is the only answer.

I would be willing to bet the farm that Whit plans to have Bud handpick the candidates and be a part of the decision process. Whit will do the negotiating, but most likely whoever we end up with will have Buds personal seal of approval - which is fine by me.

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starting year 4 of the Fuente era limits his options...

With what happened with Scott and Nix over the first three years, there's no time to completely dismantle the defense (changing all the coaches and needing different personnel) and do a total re-build over the next 2-3 years. (He can't afford more .500 seasons).

With our current schedule and players, The table is set to begin winning now. The Wiles/JHam co-coordinator idea that continues the current plan makes the most sense.

I upvoted this because it's an important consideration, but I'm not sure it's as limited as all that.

The DC will need to be someone who can deal with transition and work with the players we have now.

Nobody said it'd be easy.

I agree with you. I'd rather have a scheme transition that gets us away from landing too talent on the line and have a transitional period or two. I think even that transition won't hurt too much with who we return in 2020 (basically everyone) on the defensive side of the ball.

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It's Fuente's call. Just like the DC job was when he picked Bud.

I'm not so sure about that. Fuente commented multiple times that his interest in VT was because of Bud being there and the job coming with the best DC in the country. If someone came in and wanted to fire Bud, they would have needed some serious stones. Plus they took Bud to meet/feel out Fuente during the search process. I think a large unspoken criteria of the search was who really wanted to work with Bud.

Could be. But when Bud met Fuente, Fuente had already been hired as the new head coach. And at least in public, Whit said it was 100% Fuente's choice.

I think the way Whit said it (paraphrase) was 'it was his choice, but if it wasn't going to be Bud, it had better be somebody good.'

Bud meets Fuente

Let's just say it was about as good a transition as you could hope for, given the situation (and even including the stuff that went down last year), and Whit deserves a lot of credit for that.

I think we should let the new Head Coach decide.

/s (maybe?)

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I'm going to have to disagree with you there, it really should be the people on this forum, we have proven our worth one comment at a time. We are the best people for the job.

I'm gonna take this a step further, instead of hiring an actual coach we'll just have TKP coach the team.

We can crowd source playcalling, and to simplify things we'll use the NFL Blitz playbook.

DA BOMB ALL DAY BABY!!

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It's going to be hell for the guy we pick scanning through the threads for the right play call

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How much does this seasons success correlate to the quality of coach we can hire? I was just thinking that the warmer Fuente's seat is the less likely someone will take a risk to insert themselves into that.

really a shame that Scott guy couldn't keep his dick in his pants

Not allowed to coach but he could run for president. What a country.

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It's not the "dick in his pants part", it's the "he used Virginia Tech recruiting money to fund an extramarital affair part" that got him fired

Kyshoen Jarrett.

Dead serious.

This is pretty intriguing because he's so young and there's a lot of risk around someone with basically no coaching experience, however I think it says a ton about his character and his understanding of the game that the Redskins put him in a coaching role so quickly.

More data would be amazing, but I think he's got a really bright future somewhere, even if it isn't in Blacksburg.

Kevin Sherrer - Tennessee's DC
Alex Grinch - Ohio State's co-DC
Bob Shoop - Mississippi State's DC

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Grinch is the Oklahoma DC

Why would any of those people come to VT?

Just like Bud would not take a lateral or half-step up to be a coordinator anywhere else (or even a full step up to a G5 or lower P5 HC), all of the top DC's or DC's at top programs are looking for HC's gigs at this point. This doesn't do anything to advance their careers.

Because thanks to Bud's contract, we can afford to pay them more.

Sherrer we have 500k to play with
Grinch would be about the same
Shoop we have about 3x his current salary to play with

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Money is not everything to everybody. Realistically, Shoop is probably the only one on that list that we have a chance at landing. No way someone leaves anOSU for a lateral at VT (unless he has ties to the school) and I doubt that Sherrer finds $500K enough of an enticement to take a lateral to VT.

Might as well shoot our shot

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Shoop is a stud. If we had any ties to him that would be great

He has ties to UVA as graduate assistant.

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Ruffin McNeil

I know that this would be a stretch because he's older, but every time I hear him speak he sounds like a VT guy...always deferential to Coach Beamer and still kinda surprised ECU did him the way they did

Ruffin McNeil can coach

I love Ruffin McNeil but he ain't leaving Oklahoma, he's loyal to Lincoln

Very interesting. Solid coach. A few things that would turn me off.

He'll be 61 next year
Not a solid recruiter
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I keep seeing guys say he can coach... I love the guy, but as someone who has had seasons tickets to ECU during some of their best years, it was never their defense that was any good. Now check out how last season went with Ruffin as OU's DC, it was nothing to brag about. Hard no from me, I don't think he knows x's and o's very well

He's not the DC anymore. That should tell us all we need to know.

100 comments and nobody has seriously suggested Kam Chancellor.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Thank you! I kept seeing him pop on on these FB threads.

great player, great Hokie, seems to be a great dude......but I'd rather have someone who has more than 0 days coaching experience as our DC

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

One of the most consistent observations over the course of my career is watching management promote a worker bee to management because he's been an excellent worker bee only to see it fail spectacularly.

Leonard. Duh.

He was a superstar making millions. A coaching job like DC at VT would be a LOT more work for a lot less pay. I love Cam and these other former players but unless they've made it known they want to coach and have started somewhere in a lower position, I don't see any of them panning out as our next DC

Jose Mourinho- only a few will get this so apologies in advance

Brilliant.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

We kind of built this program on parking the bus. I mean, not intentionally. I don't think our offense was often so bad on purpose.

11 men behind the ball!!!

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Was hoping someone would suggest Arsene so I could respond with #WENGEROUT

something something time of possesssion

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Just want someone who's all Hokie and played for/worked with Bud Foster.

Hokies, sorry about the news that the Legendary & Future Hall of Fame coach Bud Foster is retiring.

I will bring some good news in terms of 1 early name I heard. Y'all are in good hands for sure and everyone needs to breathe.

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JUGS where the hell you been?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Misread this as georgia southern...you're right I'm relieved

If it's Glenn Schumann, that's a young af defensive coordinator.

That's probably who it is. That would be an exciting, high-potential type hire who has been working in a hell of a recruiting environment.

Definitely would be a very exciting, high ceiling type of hire. Would he bring the 3-4 to VT? That would be a huge fundamental shift from what we are used to.

If this is the direction the search is going, I'm feeling extremely optimistic. If we get someone from the Saban/Smart tree for instance with SEC recruiting and coaching chops to lead our defensive staff, we already know that Fu's offensive guys have brought in some great offensive talent and depth and have a system that can put up yards and points. I would feel very excited about a marriage like this for our program moving forward.

But from a good tree. GA/player development under Saban and working as a co d coordinator this year at a very solid UGA

(add if applicable) /s

So the advantages of recruiting to Georgia play a huge part in this but...

He has literally recruited more 5* commits to Georgia than VT has had in program history.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Exciting for sure, but tempered with the reality that 'more 5* recruits than in VT history' is unfortunately not saying much, especially for a big SEC program.

HTHokie93

Yes, but it is saying something.

This would be an outstanding hire.

I'd be happy; it's not like he's be stepping into a defense void of starting experience (***knocks on wood****). So that has to be a plus for any DC looking at the job

I have a little trepidation with guys like him. His resume might be the best resume of a under 35 coordinator in college football. But he's spent his entire coaching life with training wheels on. It's not difficult to recruit five stars to Alabama or Georgia. It's not difficult to win at Alabama or Georgia.

Charlie Weis had the perfect resume before getting the head coaching job at Notre Dame. There have been plently of Saban disciples who flop when get thrown into the deep end for the first time.

I'm not saying he's not a great hire because he might be, but got damn I hope Fuente and Whit do their homework on him before they throw him an offer. They may not like what they see after the pop open the hood. It's such a UVa move to hire somebody as important your DC just because "he has amazing pedigree".

And also, he has no loyalty to Virginia Tech if he gets the job. What's going to happen if the Notre Dame or the USC DC job opens up and he's getting courted? What his incentive to stay?

Best case, he kills it for 3-4 years and he may leave for a better job. Worse case, he can't hack it when he doesn't have a safety net.

It's not difficult to recruit five stars to Alabama or Georgia. It's not difficult to win at Alabama or Georgia.

These comments frustrate me. It is just as hard for Alabama or Georgia to land 5* talent and to win as it is any other school, they've just put in the systems, personnel, and resources to make it happen. Competition at the very top is where it gets the tightest, and Bama and GA are ALWAYS right there leading the pack.

These teams consistently win and land the top talent in the country BECAUSE they're not resting on "hey we're Alabama, we don't need to really do anything. Everything comes to us" Nick Saban (and to some degree Kirby Smart) is maybe the hardest working, hardest recruiting, most innovative coaches CFB has seen

I think you are downplaying some extremely significant factors that organically form over time (historical prestige, name recognition, conference affiliation, boosters, etc.) and become institionalized into the fabric of blue blood programs. I don't believe for a second that you can simply copy the systems, personnel, and resources of UGA or Bama at any program across the country and get the same results.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm not saying we can easily copy what they're doing. I do think we can take pieces, though and we're going to have to work hard, just like they do. And it is extremely naive to just say 'it's easy to recruit and win there.' There isn't some default where those schools can just rest on their laurels and be as successful as they are.

Alabama and Georgia are consistently functioning above their peer group - Texas, USC, LSU, Michigan, A&M, ND, OU, PSU, Florida, etc. It isn't easy to win and out-recruit all of those other programs, which again, they find themselves doing pretty consistently. They're not doing that by waiting for the wins and recruits to just fall to them. Bama pre-Saban wasn't functioning the way they are under Saban. He has contributed to taking them next level EVERY YEAR. He's not selling Bear Bryant or NCs in the 20s and 30s.

You nailed it.

Well done.

Hopefully the VT admin holds a similar view.

These comments frustrate me. It is just as hard for Alabama or Georgia to land 5* talent and to win as it is any other school,

This is patently untrue. But even if it were, the issue is that the coaches that put those systems and personnel in place are not the ones we would be hiring, it's the people who operated within that system that we would be hiring who have benefited from it without having to build it themselves.

And to address that first point, if you've ever been to the South you'd know it's different with those schools. They have a culture that will provide a level of resources other schools can only dream of, regardless of the success or systems in place. They have boosters and fans whose self-worth is so wrapped up in the success of their favorite football team that they will literally do and spend anything to make it happen. They have politicians who will write laws to make their jobs a little easier, and non-profit booster clubs that will buy their coach a multi-million dollar house so he doesn't have to pay real estate taxes. The kids growing up there have lived their whole lives being told to go to these schools and face immense social pressure if they consider otherwise. Yes, very capable, smart people have worked hard to make it happen, but the advantages they enjoy are considerable.

All that said, I think Glenn Schumann or someone with a similar profile could make a great hire.

I think you and outoftowner are saying the same thing. The reason those schools have the culture, fans, and boosters they do is because they've cultivated it over time.

A lot of the 'blue bloods' and top tier schools run their alumni association very similar to a church - when people relocate, they find a new church, and that church becomes their social network; it's how they meet people and make new friends; it's the network they reach out to when they need to find a new doctor, or dentist, or lawyer, or vet, etc. It's the people they play beer league softball with. It's the environment in which people raise their kids in.

It's not like Alabama fans are genetically predisposed to being a football fans; they're raised into it, just like kids in a church. For years now, being an Alabama fan has made you part of a club, and that club becomes your social network. It's how you meet your significant other. It's the environment you raise your kid in.

Building a network like this takes time, effort, and touch. And frankly, VT/HokieClub hasn't done a good job of building relationships with its alumni. And that's where it starts. When you build that emotional connection, people carry that into their jobs, whether it's as a politician or an engineer, or an entrepreneur. Can we make the change over night? No, absolutely not. Can we start building a solid foundation today? Yes, I think so.

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This is an excellent comparison. This is one of the best ways I've ever seen college football culture in the Southeast explained.

I'm pretty sure that being an Alabama fan is genetic.

Also, there is seriously nothing else going on in Alabama to compete with college football.

The Hokie Club has it's work cut out for it.

I mean... let's not pretend like Virginia is some LaLa-land of excitement. There ain't that much going on in the old dominion state. Plenty of schools in states like Texas, Florida, Michigan, California, etc... with as much or more going on than ole' Virginny have well developed alumni cultures. The difference is that they put the proper efforts in to building those cultures.

That's a fact.

No. It is not 'just as hard' for Alabama and Georgia to land 5* talent...for precisely the reasons you've stated. They have leading the pack with wins (with multiple, and Recent, championships), and they invest far more than most other programs to recruit at the highest levels. In other words, if it was just as hard for Alabama to recruit a 5* athlete, then VT should have an even chance for said athlete's commitment if he'd narrowed it down to VT and Bama. Our recruiting history refutes that.

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Let him kill it for 3-4 years. I would take that and worry about replacing him then

Let him kill it for 3-4 years. I would take that and worry about replacing him then replace him with JHam

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What's going to happen if the Notre Dame or the USC DC job opens up and he's getting courted? What his incentive to stay?

Best case, he kills it for 3-4 years and he may leave for a better job.

This is similar to some of the discussion when CFB retired. As VT fans, we've experienced two related but distinct phenomena:

1. We've been extremely lucky that some great coaches have shown a degree of loyalty to the program that's uncommon these days. In general, turnover is much more frequent than we're used to.

2. CFB protected coaches whose performance was lacking, so our churn rate was artificially low.

To answer your question, we should expect at least some coaches to come here and then leave 3-4 years later, either because they aren't performing or because they are in demand and have an opportunity to advance their career elsewhere. Like it or not, that's normal in this industry. If we limit the pool of candidates to only those that we think won't leave, we're tying one hand behind our back.

IMO, the leadership MUST excel at managing this kind of staff turnover, or we're not likely to improve upon the results of the last 7-8 years.

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Recruiting for UGA has more to do with it than we think but it cant be worse than what weve got

Keep calm, Gobble on

When did Galen Scott get hired at Georgia? /s

A 29 year old DC?? I don't know about that...

I know it's a different environment and VT is a different program now than it was then, but how old was Bud when he got the DC job at Tech?

As you pointed out, i don't think you can use a different era of football as a comparison point. Further, a 29 year old DC is more the anomaly to the rule if you look at the overall landscape. A young DC is in this 40's or late 30's. That's not to be ageist or anything, but how experienced can you really be at that age when you're 5 years out of college.

How about Randy Shannon from UCF? He was a former DC and head coach at Miami. (Which I know is not a positive for a Hokie). He has a ton of connections in Florida and he's 25-1 over the past two seasons. I don't have any stats to back up my suggestion, so it may not be as good as it sounds.

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

That's actually a pretty decent suggestion. He's not much of a name anymore for a HC gig (unless its a small school) so he wouldn't be an immediate flight risk. He spent some time at Florida as a co-DC and then DC and their defense rated pretty well two out of the three years he was there. He's at UCF now and they've been respectable in the one year he's had. Not exactly great but not terrible either. And he does have a rep of being good with players, especially recruits from Florida. Whether or not he could convince them to move to SWVA is another question, but as far as resumes go, Shannon should be considered a good option

I do have a lot of respect for Randy Shannon. He didn't work out as the head coach but he was AWESOME as a defensive coordinator. Recruiting his home area would be awesome for us, but it seems like he could be a stay-close-to-home type of guy.

I will settle for no less than Saban

/s

Galen Scott is available, no?

Deangelo hall

Would love to bring him on staff as a DB coach

PDXHokie

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm sorry, I'm too busy. I'll have to respectfully decline.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Just an outside thought...anyone think there is a chance he hangs around in a Jim Cavanaugh type role? Basically involved as a "recruiting specialist" and still being a part of the program...just a thought that crossed my mind however likely or unlikely.

HokieHighVPI03

From the press release:

Upon the conclusion of the season Foster will continue to serve Virginia Tech Athletics in a new role reporting directly to Director of Athletics Whit Babcock similar to Frank Beamer, working as an ambassador for the program, in addition to focusing on special initiatives and other duties as assigned.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Gotcha saw that today...appreciate the info man...definitely hasn't been the same since cavanaugh retired

HokieHighVPI03

Our recruiting in Virginia fell off drastically with Cav's departure and has never recovered

Some have speculated that the great recession also led to people moving away from the 757, and as a result, less talent there (or in the state). I don't have any numbers to prove this, but it's definitely something that would be an interesting deep dive.

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this is definately the trend in south-central VA. Big drop in recruitable prospects due to the decline in the textile & manufacturing industries that provided a lot of jobs in that region. .

Southside was hit hard.

Jimmy Williams?......lol

I knew someone was going to say him, but I don't think it's realistic. There's just no way he's going to move from Bama DC to NFL position coach to VT DC in a year, and probably have to move in the middle-end of the NFL season. And maybe it's sour grapes from an entitled fanbase, but there were rumblings around Bama that he wasn't very good at the Xs and Os as a DC, but was really great at coaching technique and recruiting.

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Ok, then I guess I'll just have to settle with him as HC and Torrian as DC. :)

Big ol' no. Bama's defense crumbled last year cause the guy can't coach, just recruit. And i'm pretty sure those recruiting chops are a result of being around cash flush programs with literally insane boosters. We would be under sanctions within a year.

Crumbled? The D averaged less than 14 pts against during the regular season, including shutting out #4 LSU, and #18 Miss State. I get they gave up some big totals in the post season, but they went undefeated in the SEC and made it to the NC.

If that's crumbling, what would you consider our D last year?

Complete implosion? And it's all relative. It would have been embarrassing for one-dimensional teams like Miss St and LSU to put points on the board. You really can't overstate how much talent that team has from top to bottom, it's not fair and as a coach you have to be judged against that bar. They lost the NC because they were unprepared and thoroughly out-coached by a superior staff at Clemson. No reason that a team with that much talent should ever look that discombobulated in an important game. Personally, I think he was exposed as a mediocre coach and has gotten by with shady recruiting tactics. If you disagree, that's fine, I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't want him as a DC.

I agree with most of your points and understand where you are coming from. I guess my threshold of shady recruiting tactics is higher since the NCAA has proven time and time again it is a toothless tiger. And I'll take talent and future NFL stars over an Xs and Os guy. Ideally we would find a DC that does both, but those are proving rare.

RE: Toothless tiger, VT is one of the schools that could be in that threshold for touchable, in the sense that we have a big enough brand to warn the rest of the teams about punishments for violations, but not so big (Bama, ND, USC) to cause a huge rift in the NCAA. Lupoi is not a game of chicken that I'd be willing to play with when it comes to the NCAA.

for those who mentioned Grantham you have to remember no income tax in Florida, so that's a bonus to work there.

Co-coordinator Hamilton(secondary) and Wiles (line) and hire Cody Grimm back to coach the linebackers. When Wiles is ready to retire Hamilton would be ready to go solo. Or let Jack Tyler coach linebackers. Seems if Hamilton and Tyler are promising up and coming guys why let them go somewhere else and realize that potential. Keep them Hokies.

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I like the idea of Hamilton/Tyler/Wiles staying. Not sure how duties would be split
but would like to have some of that VT heritage preserved.

I honestly don't hate this IF the defense has a good year. That said, if we promote from within, I want us paying $400k for established recruiters in position coach.

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Who is the current Murray St. DC?

This guy gets it.

I don't have suggestions, but I'm sure Bud has a list. As a god among defensive coordinators, I doubt there's a worthwhile DC or up and coming DC whom he hasn't spoken to in some capacity.

I'll go with anyone from his list.

Is there any scenario where the "replacement" could be hired (or named if already on staff) this season to make a smooth handoff and inspire confidence on the recruiting trail?

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Yes, it's possible, but you handicap the previous team when it's announced.

I mean it happened with Fuente, right?

I'm sure that as soon as Bud told Whit he was retiring, Whit started reaching out to agents of guys he was interested in.

I'd be shocked if Whit didn't already have a short list of DCs (and HCs to be honest, you just need to be prepared for these things).

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I'm sure there are a TON of defensive coordinators out there with P5 experience, that are excellent recruiters, have a history of success, and are totally being underpaid by the school they're at AND most importantly will meet the approval of this message board.

obvious but just in case /s

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Bud is taking his place in the Athletics department answering only to Whit (it appears). It also appears that Bud and Fuente have a pretty good relationship. I have to imagine that Bud will give Fuente a list of realistic, qualified candidates to look at. I also trust that Fuente will take that list seriously and, that he has thought about this deeply, and will continue to do so. VT football is the Lunch Pail Defense, and I think everyone involved knows this.

I am hopeful that things will pan out OK in the end.

We will either end up with a home run hire who will continue the legacy at VT. Or we will end up with an OK D-coordinator while Fuente continues to put his stamp on the program and form it into something else altogether.

And who knows, in 20 or 30 years, we may have a whole generation of Hokies living in the reality of a Fuente brand of Hokie football (loving the success of it all) while they listen to us old timers reminiscing about the old Lunch Pail D that we all fell in love with.

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T Gray or Charley Wiles please and thanks

I don't get why with all the former VT players that have been said I think I have seen only one mention of Cody Grimm. Kid wasn't the most gifted, but was always in a position to make a play when he was in O&M. Turned that into a few years playing in the NFL. Came back and coached here then went back to Tampa Bay to coach.

I'm not saying he's the most qualified by any means. But it blows my mind that people, some in jest and some in all seriousness, throw out a ton of former players like Kam, Kyshoen, and DHall, but fail to mention Grimm. Kyshoen has at least been in a coaching position. Grimm has more coaching experience, knows Bud's defense, and has an excellent football IQ. If those three are taken as serious candidates, to me, it is criminal that Grimm may not be.

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Look I just want to throw my hat into the ring. I have several years of experience as the defensive coordinator for my NCAA 12 team. My friend ran the offense as well as the recruiting, so I would bring him on as my chief recruiter. I am well versed in blitzing. I mastered audibling out of a play to allow my defensive line to get after the quarterback. One area I struggled with was intercepting the ball. The ball would always hit my corners and safeties in the hands but they would mostly drop it. This skill can and will be developed. In terms of perks I would need a relatively new Xbox 360 and copy of ncaa 14 so I can practice in the offseason.

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I would like to do the same. Imagine the historical significance and what it would do for Beard rights

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Been sitting on this about a day now, and I honestly think there's a bunch of routes we could go. None of which would be bad, but all of them need the right type of support/fit.

Promote from Within (the Bud Foster coaching tree)
How to making it work:
Pay the new DC $650-$750/year, and hire a proven recruiter as a position coach or Co-DC (Example: Glenn Schumann; currently making $325k at UGA, top recruiter).
Pros:
Limited change to culture and scheme
Cons:
Could be perceived by the fanbase as cheap and/or lazy. May fail to address need for improved recruiting. May be difficult to hire a 'proven position coach' for just a salary bump and no title change.
Potential Candidates:

  • Torrian Gray
  • Charlie Wiles

Hire an up-and-comer
This list includes DC's from a smaller schools or position coaches from a bigger schools. To identify the former, I basically just found teams on S&P+ who's defense out performed their program norms. For the latter, I checked S&P+ Defensive rankings, 247 coach recruiting rankings, and the USA today salary base, to find coaches from good defenses, who can recruit, and are currently making a salary a few hundred grand less than Bud. Just a small sample below.
How to make it work:
You have to let this guy bring in his own team of coaches - This means we risk losing position coaches we're excited about (JHam, Jack Tyler). Athletic department may have to work extra hard to maintain relationships with Bud Foster alumni - Guys like Dhall, Flowers, the Fullers, etc are really tied to Foster just as much as VT at this point.
Pros:
Brings 'new blood' into the program, gives fans something to be excited about
Cons:
Likely comes with a scheme change that could result in on field challenges. Potentially we have another wave of transfers, similar to what Fuente had on offense last season.
Potential Candidates:

  • Tosh Lupoi - DL coach at Bama, very strong recruiter, but already making over $1M at Bama.
  • Glenn Schumann - LB Coach at UGA. Making less than $400k now. Great recruiter.
  • Chris Partridge - Michigan LB coach, currently making $500k. Also talented recruiter.
  • Aazaar Abdul-Rahim - Current UMass DC, former DB coach at UMD. Supposedly we reached out to him to backfill Gray years ago, but had no interest in leaving UMD for anything less than a DC position. Strong recruiter, knows the region.
  • Tim DeRuyter - Current Cal DC, making $425k right now. Has never worked east of Texas A&M, so even if he wanted to move to this part of the country, he'd have to surround himself with people who know the area.
  • Chad Glasgow - Gary Patterson decipal, so he probably has Fuente ties. No idea how much he's making now (TCU is private and doesn't have to report salaries, but in 2011 he was making $400k at Texas Tech.
  • Tim Billings or Derek Nicholson - Co-DC's at Southern Miss, Both making under $200k now, despite posting a Top 20 defense at Southern Miss.
  • Mike Reed/Mickey Conn - Clemson defensive position coaches. Both making in the $350-$500k range.

Hire an established DC
How to make it work:
Find someone who is either unhappy or underpaid at top paying 15-30 school, bring them to VT
Pros:
Fanbase will be satisfied.
Cons
We have to write a big check. Again, likely comes with scheme or culture change, potentially resulting in an unsatisfying 'year-zero' and/or a wave of transfers.
Potential Candidates:

  • Travaris Robinson - Current SCar coach, making $1.2M
  • Jimmy Lake - Currently at UW, making $1.1M
  • Blake Baker - Currently at Miami, no reported Salary (Miami is private)

I really think we can be successful long term going in any of these directions. Whichever route we go, the hire must have two things:

  • The ability operate within Fuente's culture, but also be given the latitude to build his own team (aka not have his assistants chosen for him like Lefty did).
  • The ability to recruit (or hire staff members who can recruit)

EDIT: Some of my numbers/titles may be a year off - Didn't realize Schumman was a co-DC as of last year; but I think most examples and the general thesis still stand.

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This is great work. Thanks for spending the time to do it. For me the best choice from a financial, culture, and alumni connection/relationship base is to do the first one with the caveat of hiring Glenn Schumann and making him a co-DC with Wiles. I'm sure they could work out roles, responsibilities, and there would be a recruiting improvement.
I don't think TG will be interested.
Financially, with ACC Network revenue coming in starting next year (I think), we could make an investment in the co-DC positions to make it more appealing.

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It is going to be crazy towards the middle/end of the season. Speculation on the DC replacement, when that hire is made and announced, recruiting impacts to early signing period, and man oh man...the portal!!! Who knows how many current players and freshman signed up to play for Bud and may be looking to the portal. We have a young defense right now, that could turn out to be a good foundation, but it is very likely that the roster is thrown into chaos again, setting us back a couple of years. And if that happens to the Defensive roster, it will be even more frustrating, considering the type of offense we are looking to have over the next couple of years. That was always my biggest frustration with VT Football, our best Offenses never lined up with our best Defenses. '06, '07, '10 as examples.

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This is so true. You have to figure that Wiles/Grey is going to have to be a much more appealing option if our defense does well this year vs if it does badly. Beyond that, this could totally damage the class of 2020 - unless it's a promotion from within, I don't see how we could get many defensive commitments before early signing day in December. I assume/hope Fuente & Co. came up with a plan to handle this before the press release.

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JHam has coordinator experience (at smaller schools). In regards to inexperience as a coordinator, he understands the responsibilities of that position (scheduling practice, game planning, calling the plays, etc.). He should be a top candidate.

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Ok, Here goes...

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More out of curiosity than anything, what's the expected timeline for this sort of thing? I assume we should expect an announcement at the end of the season of whoever we're hiring, since they (hopefully) will be coaching another team during this season. But I also assume there will be some sort of agreement in place prior to the end of the season.

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One thing to Note: Wake Forest game (November 9th) has been proclaimed "Bud Foster Night". With that in mind Fuente was confirmed November 28th and rumors started to swirl a week or two prior.

When do we fire up the flight tracker?

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

when did it happen for Fuente? Was this a thing?

Ok so Wake Forest will score zero points that day.

I wonder if we will win.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Ugh, just realized that depending on the hire, 2020 may not be our year. It may now be like 2022 or 2023...

Possibly if we have a radical schematic transition, like to the 3-4. But it all depends on how the new coach can evaluate and utilize the players we have. We do have an abundance of talent at the linebacker spots, but questions on who currently on the roster would be a space eating NT, and do we have anyone who could play DE in a 3-4 system. Would likely have to transition DTs to DEs in that case, and could be some attrition.

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I'd love to see Torian Gray (sorry if I spelled that wrong). I don't see that happening though.

My first thought was Greg Schiano, though I don't know whether to feel good or bad about that.

As a Longshot, totally PR stunt that could POSSIBLY (albeit, not likely) impact the program - Bruce Smith.

Lastly - DC aside. How confident are you all that Fuente is the HC next season?

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Bruce is 56 and as far as I know has never coached. So, no.
Fuente will be here next season. We have an easy schedule and we can't afford his buyout.

Fuente's seat may be a bit warm in this site but there's no way he's gone in the next three years unless last year continues. But either way I give him at least another three. No way we're changing out head coaches after this year.

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A coach shouldn't need a guaranteed 6 years

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isn't it just guaranteed three years since the ones behind us already happened?

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If he was guaranteed the first 3 years, then guaranteed another 3 years, my math would take that to mean he was guaranteed 6 years.

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The 'guarantees' get renewed every time he gets a contract extension that changes his buyout. Time will tell if it was a good or bad move, but I think his last extension guaranteed him at least the next two seasons.

this. you can only look at contracts/extensions as forward-looking and not backward-looking because the terms of the previous contract were already fulfilled. teams tend to stay away from signing 15 year contracts with players, but it's not unheard of for a player to stay with a franchise for 15 years on a series of shorter successive deals

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If you want a quality DC hire after this year, he is going to want some assurance his boss will be around.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

A coach shouldn't need a guaranteed 6 years

You're going to have to put out some kind of guarantee in this case for program stability. If you don't bet on yourself, nobody else will, either. You can't hedge bets when you're hiring coaches.

What kind of defense did FU have at Memphis? Like scheme wise. That's where I bet he'll look first.

He ain't hiring a rookie position coach, so J Ham is out of the question. Fu's job is on the line too.

By all accounts the bridge isn't just burnt with T Gray, it's fucking non existent.

Ain't nobody hiring a former player with little to zero coaching experience. So that kills all of our former players who went to the league.

Wiles? Some view him as a liability all ready, I'm not sure where I stand on that. We've lost some incredible D-Linemen recently in our own back yard no less.

I, like most, want a fucking recruiter who can make in game adjustments. X's and O's aren't that different from big time high school programs to college, it's just the speed of the game. Hire a recruiter than can get 4 stars consistently and a few 5 stars on occasion. Stars matter people.

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If you're wanting five stars, you're going to be disappointed. But that doesn't just apply to VT. Nearly 25% of all 5 star recruits have gone to one of three schools. We've had 4 in the total time tracked by 247. All I'm saying is don't set your sights too high. You'll be forever disappointed.

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5*s don't fit our scheme.

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3*s are probably better anyway, they're just overlooked because insert reason here

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I really wonder if a plan hasn't already been in motion for some time now. I find it hard to believe Bud's announcement came as a shock to everyone - in fact I think everyone in the inner circle probably have known this was coming.

If that's the case, it makes you think a little more about J Ham's promotion and Prioleau coming onboard. They had to have known Bud was planning on leaving at the end of this season. You would think a brand new DC would want the latitude to bring in his own staff, but if we are somewhat already zeroed in on who we are likely bringing in, maybe those guys know they will have roles on the new DC's staff.

I have a feeling Wiles retires along with Bud, and I don't see any scenario where he gets the DC job. He's been a great coach for VT for many years, but this new hire comes at a critical time for the program. Recruiting is everything, and IMO, through a system that has historically valued undersized guys for quickness, this has hurt our ability to put DL in the league on a regular basis. Almost a vicious cycle, where lack of NFL DL keeps recruits away, furthering our lack of NFL DL and lack of recruiting. Size and talent in the trenches has been the biggest hurdle VT has had making the leap to a truly top tier football program.

I think Whit and many others know how important this hire is. Bud's decision also just made this season even more pressing for Fuente. Another lousy year, and you're going to have a tough time bringing a new top DC onboard to what may be a sinking ship in that case. I can envision a lot of different scenarios depending on the outcome of this season. Very important time for VT football.

I have also noticed our new DL recruits in this class, especially at DE are a lot bigger than our usual DE recruits we typically get. I agree with you on what you said about J. Ham and Prioleau but not sure what I see Wiles doing.

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I listened to a podcast recently (it was taped a couple of years ago where Fuente discussed being promoted to OC at TCU) He essentially stated that he probably wasn't completely ready but figured it out...

If JHam is the right guy, but the timing is a little off, then you just manage it. It wouldn't surprise me if the "co" tag was added to JHam's title in the next few weeks with the idea of a one year grooming to begin immediately. AND if Bud is sticking around in a "different capacity" for another year or so - this could certainly end up a great transition:
-an OC with far less salary demands
-ability to add more support with additional money
- far less transition, defections and recruiting interruptions.
- we get a young, dynamic recruiter that has the players and coach's confidence in a proven system.

LAST THOUGHT: It's taken 3+ years to get this team to a point where we have projected/potential starters and depth at ALMOST every position that aren't in their first camp (remember the last few years with coach Beamer where we prayed for no injuries?). If it is AT ALL possible, a transition will be far better than blowing the damn thing up right when the thing is finally starting to take shape!

At some point, at VT you have to take a chance on an up and comer. We don't have the resources to go big here most likely.

And honestly, if the offense can really get clicking then we have a bit of time to manage the situation.

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Great ideas -- very much on board with them.

There's just no way JHam get's promoted. He just got his first FBS coaching job, and hasn't even coached an FBS (much less ACC) game yet. If JHam were to get promoted then he is the Lincoln Riley of defense - but even Riley had to go to the G5 level to get his first OC job.

I listened to a podcast recently (it was taped a couple of years ago where Fuente discussed being promoted to OC at TCU) He essentially stated that he probably wasn't completely ready but figured it out.

Your analogy here doesn't quite match. Illinios State (where Fuente had his first OC job) is a program that doesn't have the means to recruit established coaches. They have to hire someone who can learn on the job. Even TCU (in 2009, when they first promoted Fuente) was a G5 team.

If JHam is the right guy, but the timing is a little off, then you just manage it. It wouldn't surprise me if the "co" tag was added to JHam's title in the next few weeks with the idea of a one year grooming to begin immediately.

IF you think this is the case, you promote Wiles to DC and make some sort of coordinator-in-waiting plan for JHam. At absolute most you make him a CoDC with another Foster disciple. Even that is aggressive.

It's taken 3+ years to get this team to a point where we have projected/potential starters and depth at ALMOST every position that aren't in their first camp (remember the last few years with coach Beamer where we prayed for no injuries?). If it is AT ALL possible, a transition will be far better than blowing the damn thing up right when the thing is finally starting to take shape

This is called the sunk cost fallacy. You bring in the most talented person who is a culture fit and in our pay range.

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Dude, you make some great counter points!

The only one I might push back on is around sunk cost (I always thought of it as throwing good $$$ after bad).

Do we actually know yet??? If our results suck this year, I absolutely agree. BUT if we do as well as I think we might - it may be a different argument. Like profit maximization!

The analog for Justin Hamilton being hired at DC is Jim Leonhard at Wisky.

He bounced around the NFL for a few years before coming back to Wisky as DC in 2016. A year later, he replaced Justin Wilcox as DC (Wilcox is the HC at Cal, a name to watch). Leonhard was a Broyles finalist the next year.

It's not impossible, that JHam gets consideration. I would say there are two prerequisites:

1.) a return to form of VT defense this year so that there is a push for continuity,
2.) a Co-DC role for Wiles. I've seen a lot of people say Wiles will retire as well (he's 5 years younger than Bud, probably made 40% as much money) or move on. I don't see it. I think Wiles deserves the shot at DC but I would like for him to be hedged with someone like JHam. They seem like complementary pieces,

There is a recruiting angle here too but I'm not sure we will have that much to lose on the D side in regards to recruiting. We may be in better shape for a new DC to bring with him a few D recruits for the 2nd signing period.

I'm seeing three categories of DC hire options: a.) the TCU/Fuente connection; b.) the VT/Bud connection; c.) the Let's Go In A New Direction move. I don't know much about a.) and I know there are road blocks to b.). We may end up going in a new direction, but there is a possibility we won't.

I wouldn't at all be surprised with Wiles being promoted, with an up and coming young defensive position coach that relates well on the recruiting trail filling his current role. As many have mentioned, a stud recruiter is most important right now, and that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be from the DC position. Let Wiles handle the game planning, and let the young gun fill the recruiting void and compete with JHam to potentially replace Wiles in 3-5 years. This just seems more likely than luring a big name, high cost DC.

If we don't have someone yet, I would promote him to co-DC this year and make him the interim DC next year to provide some stability while we search for a good replacement. It also gives Wiles a shot at the job while letting VT keep one hand on the reigns.

This is assuming he doesn't want to go out with Bud which is extremely possible

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I really like Coach Wiles and sometimes think he is under-appreciated in the eyes of fans. He is a very good coach and is a legit recruiter with connections.

With that said, I believe there is zero chance he is the next DC. Also, this will 100% be JF's decision. I do believe that JF has swung to the side of seeing the significant value that former VT alums have in his coaching tree, if they also have the true desire to coach and recruit (see JHAM). I would expect whomever he chooses it will be understood that JHAM, Pierson and possibly others will have futures on the staff.

Therefore, finding the right fit matters and it will be incredibly interesting to see how it plays out.

I haven't seen Mamma Fullers name offered.

  • We know she can recruit to VT. She already landed the elusive 5* for the Hokies.
  • We know she can develop talent. Her guys were ready to go as soon as they stepped on campus.
  • I bet she would say hi to Mom without things getting out of hand.
  • I bet she would not be looking to move on to a "Big Dog" at the first chance, she is as much a Hokie as anyone on the planet.

What more do we need?

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Optimal scenario no one has mentioned: Barry Odom gets fired from Missou and comes back as Fu's DC. He was DC for them during the early Memphis days and did a fantastic job even when the offense was trash

I fully expect a decent season out of Mizzou, injuries and bad luck foiled a few good seasons for them. Crazy to think, they played in the SEC championship not that long ago. Odom has at least another year after this one.

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And first week of camp their starting TE and QB (Kelly Bryant) are injured. Sprained knee and strained hamstring, respectively.

We need to hire a proven DC that has experience. Not a former player or a recent GA.

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Is it basketball season yet?

Now, I know he is currently an OC in the SEC, but hear me out... let's not forget he did start his coaching career a the secondary coach for a year, and then DC for a year at the powerhouse Salem College (now Salem University) in WV

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I hear Rex Ryan and Marvin Lewis are available.

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Give Chuck the reigns.
Bring in Loren Johnson for the Virginia recruits.
Bring in Antonio Banks for that direct line to more IMG dudes.
A new generation of LPD will continue stronger than ever.

What about a former player with significant DC experience - Todd Grantham? I know he's moved around a bit, but is he at UGA now? Might be more expensive to pry him away than we'd be willing to spend, though.

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He's at Florida right now making big money.

Glenn Schuman is a possible candidate who is at Georgia rn.