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This entire program should quit football



Winter is here. And it just picked off Willis again.

Is that one of BC's linemen?




Cussing is against community guidelines. Fuck.

Good thing we have scheduled the cream puff team, ODU for next week to recover.

Yeah! Except...oh wait!

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I don't think it's a RIP moment but this team has a lot of work ahead of them. Opening games in college football are tough especially on the road. We're still a young team but I think we need to look at the QB and maybe let one of the youngest guys go over the next couple of games and see what we got. Our OC coordinator needs to figure out who he working for because our play calling in the 6 minutes of that game were abysmal.

Go Hokies


Is it really a road game when the stadium is half empty ?

Let's Go...

No its not a road game when its at Alumni Stadium at BC

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Boy am I glad I waited all offseason for that.

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About to!

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Also, the trenches on both sides of the ball are the root of this teams issues. And to think I actually thought the OL at least would be a strength. That run up the middle to get a 1st down at the end of the game is a mockery, and a representation that this defense is a shell of what it used to be historically. Bud picked a good time to go, they always say leave before the ship sinks. I have VERY low expectations for this season. Just beat UVA that's all that matters now.

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Interior of the D was actually better than what we saw last year. Not good, but didn't get blown off the ball on every play.

Losing Hoffman was huge for the OL. Hoyt ain't it

That was...not good.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

It's really simple.... you aren't going to win many games when you have 5 turnovers and have a -4 turnover differential.

This was a very winnable game but like every season, we drop one where we shouldn't have.

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agree with this 800%. The turnovers killed the game.

They could either purge the bad attitudes from the team or the turnovers. Whoops.

Roughly a 10% chance statistically.

Don't tell me the D was the problem.

The D wasn't why we lost that game, but I can see room for improvement there, too.

We haven't got anything quite locked down yet.

Meanwhile ole Mack who won't be a threat to VT just beat SC in his opener.

But he's so old and the game has passed him by /s

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On the other hand he also beat USC which is an accomplishment to almost no one.

(add if applicable) /s

So did UVA. USCe just isnt a great football team, but UNC will be a tough out this year.

On the positive side, we lost the turnover battle by 4, and still only lost by a touchdown. Actually, outside kaleb smith, not sure there was anything in that game that gives fans reason to be optimistic about the season.

Tayvion Robinson. Tre Turner when he gets healthy. Keshawn King.

....are all positives in a bubble.

UNFORTUNATELY, we don't have a bubble, or we do have a bubble and it's shared by Cornelson and inept QB play.

Yeah, you're right. Several true freshman looked good, including Kendricks at times...and Mitchell also, in his first real action. Soooo much stuff to clean up though, unfortunately QB play being the most obvious and important.

Hold on now, I think you just pointed out the reason for optimism. I bet we don't have a -4 turnover margin again all season.

We played about as bad as possible, turnover wise, and still had a chance in the last 2 minutes of the game. That can be fixed. That's your reason for optimism.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Yes. Jeez.

My only issue with thinking we won't have another -4 turnover game....

It would NOT surprise me in the least if (when?) it happens again. Every single thing that we wanted to fix from last year showed up again.

Will you honestly be surprised if:
1. Cornelson continues to run the same shit to "setup" the defense for a play later that only ends up in us actually turning the ball over on that very play.
2. Willis stares down receivers on every single play and gets picked?
3. Willis, while staring down a receiver on one side of the field gets blind sided and fumbles in the pocket?
4. Our maybe best RB is a true freshman and is underweight and fumbles at some point? (I like
Keshawn and think he was a bright spot)
5. We muff yet another punt?
6. Willis rolls out and throws another ill advised pass?

I truly hope we somehow fix this crap, but I will not be OK regularly losing to the BC's, GT's, Pitt's, Syracuse's, etc of college football...in the same season. I'm used to 1 head scratching loss as carryover from the Beamer era, and maybe this is it for us this year, but I'm not OK with a season long episode of this year in year out which I'm really scared we're approaching.

Again, hope I'm wrong, but as long as cornelson is here and we don't get better qb play, I'm not holding my breath.

I'll tune in next week because at the very least I still love Virginia Tech and I'm a glutton for pain.

*EDIT: I hate to name Willis as many times as I did and while I clearly do not believe his ceiling is sky high, but...Ultimately, I think cornelson is a bigger part of the problem. I thought Evans was a badass and had receivers that were badasses and we went through some of the same unbelievably frustrating crap as we do today. The man has absolutely no feel for a college football game.

Bullshit. D looked good except for 2 gimmes Willis gave them. Smith, Turner, Robinson, Mitchell all looked good. King will be good. One damn game.

Corners didn't look great but their QB also dropped a couple dimes on TDs. Only that one drive that they marched down field on the ground. Defense looks much better coaches

Mack Brown has shown more emotion in one game than Fuente has in 3+ years as head ball coach at VT

Who cares? Emotion has nothing to do with coaching or playing ability. Willis showed more emotion than anyone else on the field today and he blew goats.

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You didn't watch the ND game there did you?

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Yeah sure did watch us get crushed. Was in the stands, thank you. He has shown emotion in one game? And when the game is basically out of hand? You and your one time excuses for everything. You like to counter just to counter.

I was actually referring to the win at ND. So you named a game I wasn't even thinking about where you though he showed alot of emotion.

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Couldn't be more correct. The last drives showed everything. Willis dives for a first down, gets called short. Fuente stands idly by, arms crossed. His "hurry up" offense does nothing, again, in year 4, and Bud's D tries to hold them off for one last gasp. The D gives up the first down and camera pans to the sideline, with Bud going ballistic, game out of hand and yet he still shows emotion....

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I'll die on this hill every time. Bill Belichick doesn't show emotion and we all know he's the most garbage coach there is.

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Belichick shows no emotion when talking with the media. He definitely shows emotion in game. I agree though that you dont need to be an overly fired up coach to be successful (ex Tony Dungy).

Belichick and Fuente shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence. One has proven he's the best coach of all time (love it or hate it) and one hasn't proven anything. Not a valid argument. Belichick has definitely shown emotion on the sideline, just hates the media (cant blame him). FWIW I cant stand NE, so this is not a homer rant, its earned results driven respect.

You know they were only mentioned together in the context of showing emotion. Nothing else. Quit making up reasons to hate on CJF.

college kids versus pros taking a pay cut to win a title... noone can make a coherent argument on a topic this broad with one example

Did you watch the game? Fuente was wildly pointing at the first down marker.

I'm gutted by this loss. For many reasons.

Of all things to criticize Fuente, his "personality" is not.

Yes, I did. When Willis dove for that first down and was marked short, the camera panned to Fu and I saw him standing there arms folded.

When the D gave up the last first down to seal game on two broken tackles the camera panned to Bud and he was going ballistic.

Timing, perhaps. But I'm not the first one to call out Fu's stoicism and it certainly rubs some folks the wrong way.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Actually thought that Mack Brown reaction was weird and can't wait for them to get curb stomped.

Let's Go...

I was sure he forgot where he was for about 8 seconds.

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

Haha he probably did forget where he was! But he didn't forget his 4* QB threw for 245 2TDS and ran for 30 yards for the W.

Serious LOL at anybody's who tries to defend this and say they need more experience. This ain't an experience problem the team is just straight up trash. And that should have been obvious last year but too many homers talked themselves into thinking otherwise

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Considering that -4 turnover diff and injuries, I thought the d played well enough to keep us in it. The d line needs some work, but I like the youth and depth of the whole d. The offense needs to tighten up. O would say feed the young talent and try to build momentum through this year.

Can't turn the ball over 5 times and beat nobody. Only scored 28 but it's probably 35+ if you take away a couple of those turnovers. Sucks but strong showing by some young guys. Very interested in seeing Hooker run the offense against ODU and Furman.

Defense was put in some bad spots but did alright. Not mid 00s form, but improved from last year.

I'm gonna watch other games. See you all in a few days.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Lol Hooker. What makes you think Fuente will ever make an adjustment?

Let's Go...

Just wait if Willis fumbles his ass will be in the dog house cause God forbid a running back fumble

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What makes you think that hooker would be better than Willis?

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What is the offense? Seriously, what is it? We were told when Fuente came in it would be a fast tempo, spread based on the run. We are in year four, and I still don't know what the hell it is. It sure as hell is not hurry up or fast paced. BC ran a faster paced pro formation than Fuente ran a spread tonight.

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Looks identical to Loefflers

Let's Go...

No, it really doesn't.

I seem to remember the complaint that Loeffler's offense couldn't score from the red zone.

Uhhhh, you're arguing against yourself with this....we failed miserably from the red zone...like Loeffler per your argument

The offense is certainly a lot different than the jet sweeps Loeffler relied on.

Last year was a system shock, now I'm actually just numb to our mediocrity and it sincerely scares me. Offense looked lost, tons of mental mistakes, and not to mention (1) guy was responsible for 4 turnovers and still was put back on the field

and not to mention (1) guy was responsible for 5 4 turnovers and still was put back on the field.

FTFY, Willis didn't muff that punt return.

I corrected myself but my point remains, either Fuente is that damn stubborn or our backups are worse than Willis. Which one do you believe?

Well, so much for valuing expected outcomes.

Or maybe the interceptions are the expected outcomes?

Wait, what?

Here's the thing tho... With the exception of Fuente's first year (Evans, Ford, Bucky etc), we have been a .500 type program for what...7-8 years?

That's who we are until we make.the right changes

Let's Go...

9-4 in JJ's first year (2017). { 4-7 under Willis.} So not really.

We'll be fine. D looked like the lunch pail D from old. BC hit us in a few wrinkles early is about all.

This reminds me a lot of the Battle of Bristol game. Outplayed them but a ridiculous
amount of turnovers killed us.

The biggest vent I have about the entire game is that Willis looked like the same QB as last year. Where is the Fuente QB whispering and all that other bullshit?

He's not a QB whisperer and his offense is not a hurry up or fast paced spread. It should be there at this point in year four.

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Why did we outplay them when employing a QB that can manage knuckle head plays is part of the game. If we had picked off BCs QB 3 teams we would be praising Bud and how good our D is.

It's part of the game and can't just be hand waived away.

Let's Go...

D looked like the lunch pail D from old - still gave up 35 points and got flammed in the secondary by jumpballs. Not an ounce of pass rush.

I really was bought into the hype of this being a 10 or 11 win team but sadly I think it's closer to what most analysts said of 7 to 8.

Similar issues to last year but slight improvements across the board. If Willis remains the starter I think he'll calm down with the turnovers but still cost us some games. But it's sad that all my enthusiasm for the season has pretty much gone away.

Also fun that we don't have a center now #FuckTheNCAA

Kaleb Smith was a bright spot though. Have a feeling he might replace Hazelton this season.

I'm taking the glass half full view.

I saw a lot of new faces make big plays and tackles and I'm still on vacation and one game isn't ruining it.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

We lost by a TD. We spotted them 14 points off of two of the FIVE turnovers in the game. The team is not trash.

Thank you.

Right accept...turnovers (and not committing them) are part of the game?

Let's Go...

I believe the crux of the argument is that in spite of 5 turnovers, we lost by 7 points.

Fix the turnovers, and we've got some potential.


The team is not trash.

We'll see.

I'm going to be completely honest, I hate that anyone in our fanbase would throw this type of fucking bullshit out there. This team is not trash. In my opinion you are trash for saying something so fucking negative about this team. Please, by all means go throw on some pads and show us how it's done if you think the team is trash. GTFO!

Dilly dilly

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

ROFLMAO this guy right here

IF you actually bothered to go back & read what I posted, I never actually submitted that the team is trash. I only insinuated that we will see (future tense) whether or not this team is (more specifically plays like) trash. I would consider the majority of plays that doomed this team to failure as very trashy. Get some sense in your head dude. And honestly, is that REALLY the worst thing you've ever read by someone in the fanbase?? You either have a VERY strong filter for such things, or something.

This comment was not necessarily directed at you. More of a statement to a lot of the above comments with people saying the team is trash followed by an insinuation that you may (or may not) possibly believe (or not believe) this team is trash (or not but maybe).

This comment was not necessarily directed at you.

Ok. But then how do you account for this little turd nugget?

In my opinion you are trash for saying something so fucking negative about this team

Which (let's face it) is not the worst thing I've been called. Still, what was that then?

You're right..this team is NOT trash. They are leftovers that get saved and pushed to the back of the fridge for weeks

"Don't be critical of the team unless you can play football" is an incredibly nonsensical line of thinking.

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While I agree we shouldn't be bagging on the team, "you can't criticize anything if you can't do it yourself" is always a faulty line of reasoning.

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On the other hand I'm not so fond of the offensive play calling or leaving a quarterback in with accuracy issues.

The team is not trash

Not so fast...

FIVE turnovers

Mediocre teams don't even commit 5 turnovers in a single game

Was the 2016 team worse than mediocre?

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Well, the Fuente-haters will feel somewhat vindicated.

I see some talent on the team, but a lot of work to be done.

Maybe the "10 wins or bust" crowd have gotten a dose of reality by now. And that doesn't mean that Fuente isn't good, or that we don't have a lot of talent on the team. But we are still inexperienced.

Edit: And whoever gives me negative votes for expressing an opinion can get over it. Argue with it, but don't downvote it.

Remind me again what the offseason was for??

EDIT: I was not the culprit that downlegged.

Making t-shirts with slogans.

Freshmen don't get game experience in the off-season.

But if you're referring to Willis, yeah, he's still a work in progress. Would help if we had any running game at all.

He's a REDSHIRT SENIOR. He literally has no more time to do work...he has been in the program for 3 years with a supposed "QB Guru" and this is the product we see. I get the optomist view of things, but at some point, you have to at least have a sensible argument.

Yeah, I don't get why he doesn't seem to see the whole field.

Yes it would help to have a running game, however it's getting kinda late to be a work in progress.

He could not make it at KANSAS!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Who has since the 2008 Orange Bowl?

Ooops. Too soon?

I agree with you except for the inexperienced part. For the most part this team has enough game experience to know what right and wrong is out on the field. Willis needs to do a better job of making his reads. He is very quick to throw into double coverage or forcing a ball into tight coverage which in my opinion led to 2 of his 3 INTs. When he made his reads and went through his progressions he made good throws and had that late TD which was a very good throw.

10 wins or bust crowd just knows it's a bust already. Hard to get excited for this su par product

I'm kinda tired of the "inexperienced" line. If you have an inexperienced team 3 years running, something isn't working right.

We only really had an inexperienced team last year.

Must just seem like longer.

It's not just reality, it's that we're a bust

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Whelp, I'd say I felt a good shit coming on, but the team took care of that.

QB play is the problem. If Fuente is a QB whisperer and Willis is our best bet... Yikes

Ahem, that's Maxwell Award Watch List Nominee Ryan Willis.

The fact that we have two 4 stars who can't develop enough to overtake him is pretty damning

I think he whispers to the good quarterbacks, "you should leave after one year."

On an unrelated topic, Josh Jackson drops 4 TDs and no picks today while Jerrod Evan giggles.

Dumb - against Howard so that comment needs to be qualified. Not exactly a comparative vs BC. Jackson is a quality player. He might have won the job if he stayed - who knows. The kid left because he wanted to be guaranteed the job - what message does that send if we agree to that? Impossible to say yes to that - so BYE.

Jerod was a helluva player and no matter what anyone says on the board there is zero chance he ends up at Vt without Fuente.

This year is not over so all the drama needs to calm down. Some of our best years started with a loss and this is a quality team we lost to by 1 TD in spite 5 turnovers. Remember Tennessee game - we played in the title game that year - 5 turnovers in that game when we lead.

We showed fight today. Let the season play out before anyone wants to fire everyone. Go Hokies

Getting kind of tired of the JJ put up 4 TDS on "Howard" crowd. Putting 79 points up on any team in college football nowadays is a big deal even if it's FCS. It was a really big deal when an FCS team put up 49 on a defense Guru.

I will say I don't think Jared Evans is laughing at anybody. He's not even doing what he left to do.

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Why is Howard in quotations? That's who Maryland actually played. They are a bad FCS team and I guarantee you that score isn't meaningful.

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It was a really big deal when an FCS team put up 49 on a defense Guru.

I'm not sure what this is in reference to.

He was attempting to reference ODU putting up 49 points on us last season. ODU wasn't actually an FCS team, but that can be hard to remember sometimes.

I suspected that was the case. Only off by 5 years.

Who is Jared Evans? Is he Jerod Evans brother or something?

I got a bucket of Milky Ways and Three Musketeers and am prepared to drown my sorrows in the endless comments of this thread

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Are you sure those aren't Three Cavaliers? I have never, ever, ever left a bar in my fucking life where I was one of the last three VT fans and every Tech fan had left because our game was over, in a loss and yet UVA was just opening against Pitt and their fans were spilling into the bar and talking shit. UVA had a better time slot and better representation than VT.

This couldn't have been more embarrassing and I'm pointing all of it to Fuente. When I'm more sober, I'll go on my rant.

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I can testify to this. I just clogged the in-laws' toilet, and I blame the craft beer from last night. Not embarrassing at all....

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Where did you watch the game at?

I think we know what we get in Willis. He isn't going to win you any games, but he can lose you some.

Hopefully.... HOPEFULLY..... we can jump on ODU early so we can see what we have in Hooker or QP as I think we have seen Willis' ceiling.

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Willis cannot be trusted to make the throws required of a team with this below average running game. I seriously have no faith in his ability to read anything and actually judge a throw relative to where a defender is. A qb on this roster has to have more upside. I'm afraid the best one took his ball to Maryland.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Team is now 1-5 in their last 6 vs. P5.

To be fair, at least the one win was UVA. :)

And we couldn't have gotten more lucky to beat UVA.

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2.3 yards per carry
3 interceptions
2 fumbles lost
8-18 on 3rd down

This offense picked up exactly where it left off. I don't see any noticeable improvement. A few of the WRs looked more dangerous than last year, but I don't see any of the current RBs being a threat in between the tackles. Willis isn't enough of a threat with the ball in his hands, so I don't see how Fuente plans on consistently converting in short yardage situations this year.

Willis didn't look anymore prepared to run this offense than he did last year, imo. I'll have to rewatch the tape, but I didn't notice him working his way through progressions at all. His accuracy didn't show noticeable improvement and he certainly didn't look as if he was capable of reading a defense and picking out the right receiver quickly underneath. I don't know why Cornelsen bothers with the five wide formation, it goes completely against Willis' skill set.

How has the offense not improved more during the off season? Is this really the best we had to offer? The offensive coaches need to take a long look in the mirror, because the talent is there on this team. They need to find a way to maximize what this team does well while minimizing the number of times they are asked to do what they aren't good at.

I fully expect Tech to lose every game where Willis throws the ball 47 times.

2.3 yards per carry

Outside of Willis, this is extremely troubling. While we don't have a legitimate workhorse at RB, every single time they touch the ball they are running for their lives in the backfield. The OL, which was supposed to be a strength of the team might actually be worse than the DL, which is supposed to be THE weak spot on the team.

Is it basketball season yet?

My initial thoughts were that the oline blocked well. Three things stood out to me

1) The running backs showed very little "make em miss". Hard to have a high YPC when you don't have any long runs

2) When Cornelsen changes the play at the line of scrimmage, it's often predictable based on the defense's formation. If the OC can count the numbers in the box... so can the DC. We saw BC seemingly audible to a run blitz after a "check with me" at the line of scrimmage.

3) Willis is not a threat on the ground. Expect very little production from that position in the ground game this year. Also, expect very little to change in the system despite having no running threat at the QB position.

That "not recruiting a running back" thing is really hurting us.

Check with me run play makes me die a little inside. Defense's absolutely TEE off on the RB.

Help me until VT has a running QB.

Dont we have two of those wearing headsets on the sideline?

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Willis is not a threat on the ground. Expect very little production from that position in the ground game this year. Also, expect very little to change in the system despite having no running threat at the QB position.

And this is the frustrating thing. If Willis is going to be a single read QB and not be a run threat, why don't we just go with a guy who is a run threat and give him the single read that he needs?

Is it basketball season yet?

Soooo, you're saying a big leap from last year?

King was not a bright spot?

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Nail = Head.

The offense as a whole is not better and it will not be better with Brad Cornelson anywhere near it.

His playcalling is predictable and he has horrid situational awareness.

Without Jerod Evans, the offense has been stagnant at best for the entirety of his tenure. There are OC's at many places doing more with alot less talent. Cornelson belongs back at Illinois State, that's his ceiling.

It pains me to type this, but Stinespring >>>> Cornelson.

But, but VT won the time of possession.

And had way more first downs...

I have never participated in one of these post loss threads. I have attended the past 70 home games - from Richmond. We are not getting better. We have the worst recruiting class for 2020 including wake, uva, duke and the rest of the bottom feeders in the acc. The damning SI article about players trying to lose the Marshall game??

This shit would never have happened under Beamer. I'm an optimist. I don't post doom and gloom. Im just tired of sucking.

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Beat GT

We lost to BC 8 times with Beamer at the helm. One game isn't enough of a sample size to draw conclusions and it's not the end of the world yet. I agree we absolutely need to improve and cannot continue to the ball over at that rate. However as someone pointed out above, we had a horrendous 5 turnover game against Tennessee in 2016 and still turned things around that season.

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"This shit" was referring to the the progressive decline, the worst recruiting class in the acc (unprecedented), and SI article - not the BC loss.

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Wtf was our offensive line doing all game? Free defenders running everywhere!!!

It is a natural gift I posess to create friction in sensitive situations.

It is a serious indictment of Fuente that QB's are supposed to be his thing and the best thing he can produce after 4 years turned the ball over 5 fucking times against a mediocre opponent. And he has had plenty of time to recruit/develop an alternative.

If you're going to indict him, it should be for not being able to talk Jackson into staying.

While the competition should have been open, that was some costly fallout.

The offense wasn't anymore productive with JJ at the helm in 2018.

But if you want to make a list of indictments, he also failed to keep Jerod Evans in town despite Draft Experts telling him not to go to NFL, has been unable to close on a single Blue-chip RB recruit, has alienated fans with his handling of the program, keeps an OC on staff that has the unique ability to neither create a competent gameplan nor recruit his way out of a paper bag.

The offense wasn't anymore productive with JJ at the helm in 2018.

It makes my head spin when people say things like this. JJ played 2 1/2 games in 2018. I don't know how you can seriously compare production stats with such a small sample size.

If you play it, they will win.

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I got slammed here 2 years ago for questioning the whole QB whisperer thing and asking was Fuente's NFL QB record that much better in the end than VT's record with QBs during that same time frame.

Dalton and Lynch vs Tyrod and Logan Thomas? Is there that much difference in the end?

I agree. Now I'm not saying Tech has had stud QB prospects come through lately, but every QB that has been under Fuente since I've paid attention to what he has done has had the same scouting report (JJ, Evans, Lynch, Willis) - Good arm, slow through their progressions, need to be a 1 read and throw QB. Is he worried about letting them be a QB or are the route combos so bad that we really can only have a 1 look and throw. Whatever it is he needs to figure it out because we have 3 QB's who all need to be groomed.

Evans had a below avg P5 arm. JJ's is average.

Sadly, I think the Athletic Department up in Hooville has made the better hire. Bronco doesn't have near the talent of VT, but they have a culture, they have a system, and they play a pretty good brand of football.

Is it basketball season yet?

It hurts to almost nearly agree to this.

Culture of beating up on landscape rocks, crawling through the grass and playing basketball in their pads. Let's not forget he's still 0-3 against us.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

The average time on the snap for VT tonight versus UVAs was a million miles apart. Fuente's supposed spread, fast paced offense is anything but and UVA will bury us with Perkins unless we turn into the 2000 Ravens with Dilfer at the helm.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I agree for now but this could likely be a really painful comment to return to in 3 months

Let's Go...

Make fun of it all you want, but the current UVA brand of football is throwback VT football. A focus on special teams, a high value on player development (because they don't have the talent), and a "team" that actually looks like a "team".

Is it basketball season yet?

They also have a toaster and a "rock". Never forget that!

I'm gonna go get a chicken sandwich at Hot Lola's in the Ballston Mall. I've been thinking about it since halftime. Thinking about it made the second half more tolerable.

Update: "The Sandwich" with O.G. Heat was fantastic. If you're in Arlington, go to it and eat it. It is better than Popeyes.

Also the food court at the renovated Ballston Mall is awesome. They even have beer and oysters!

Ballston Mall is amazing now. Hot Lola's is probably the best hot chicken I've had outside of Atlanta

It's going to be a 6-6 kinda year folks. Bottoms up.

Defense played better 2nd half!
Talent and depth seem Improved!
Like the new guys!

Willis just looked poor... no way to polish it up.
WTF was the last drive??? Did the coaches give Up?
Who are the leaders on this team???

They scored a touchdown on the last drive

After seemingly trying to establish the run down 14

Really disagree regarding the defense. When we cut the lead to 7, they woke up, stopped throwing, and methodically marched down the field for a score. We had no answer. With 2 minutes to go 3rd and 9 they ran Dillon. We all knew it was coming. They got 11 yards to seal the victory. Stats are one thing. Big moments are more important. Those moments were opportunities for us to get back in the game. We failed both. I'm extremely concerned for our run defense.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

They scored 7 points and had only 70 yards after half....I don't think the defense was the issue there. Unfortunately the defense did crumble in the last drive 3 and 9 when we absolutely needed a stop but you can only force 3 and put so many times before your mentally affected.

What about the drive to go up 14 after we closed it to 7? They walked down the field. And the 3rd and 9 literally almost had bud vomiting on the sideline. The numbers look good but I didn't like our chances when it was time to show out. More data points required- but for now I believe our front 7 is no better than last year to this point. Other positions I felt were improved.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

So on the 4th and 1 in the 1st quarter where BC went for it, you really think our defense last year was making that stop? Cause i don't.

Yea this front 7 still has plenty of room for improvement, but to say there is zero difference from last year is just flat out wrong.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Point taken - that was an excellent stop. Again, we will need to see how this plays out.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Nice discussion. I share your concerns... I think we are more gap sound than last year, but we are physically not ready (both depth and size, esp. with Garbutt out). And, we can't generate a pass rush.

Coverage from LBs and secondary is markedly better though.

I don't want to hear a single person making excuses for Justin Fuente or Brad Cornelson.

They're in year four, with all of their guys, starting a QB they recruited after they pushed Josh Jackson out.

Ryan Willis stares down his receivers like he's a true freshmen. The offense is so predictable, everyone in the stadium knows what's coming. The running game is nonexistent.

And look, we all adore Bud Foster and he deserves a statue right next to Frank after this year but let's be honest: the VT Defense hasn't been elite in years, and nothing that happened today suggested to me that there will be a massive improvement over last year.

If this season goes off the rails with the worst P5 schedule, the massive buyout will be the only thing keeping Fuente in Blacksburg...and it may be worth swallowing that chuck of change to send him packing.


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Quit making excuses for Fu and Corny when they chase off Josh Jackson who threw for 600 yds and 5 TDs today with Maryland. Quit making excuses for them when we see ZERO improvement out of a guy they recruited and named the starter. Quit making excuses for lousy play calling and being too damn stubborn to change. Good God this is painful...
EDIT: to add clarity

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Josh Jackson who threw for 600 yds and 5 TDs.

I am not here to argue with you or make excuses for Fuente or Corny because I question the play calling again today, but Josh played against Howard.... Howard.

Hellen Keller could have put up stats like that against Howard.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Granted, but I don't thunk JJ ever looked that good under Fuente. Time will tell but the whole point is he chased off who was clearly the best QB in the locker room for Mr Kansas Magoo.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

If your screen name is accurate, maybe you should tone it down a notch.

If they deserve criticism, I'll criticize.
I call it like I see it.
Willis was missing easy reads as a (r)Sr...

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

I think JJ was the better QB (although not "clearly"). But...it was Howard.

I seem to remember JJ putting up insane stats against cupcakes in his years starting. Let's hold off on the JOSH COMEBACK till later in the season

Look I'm totally with you in the concerns that we dont have good qb play and that's absolutely unacceptable. I love Ryan willis fight and passion for the game but the dude is a backup qb at best. I cannot believe that neither of our highly touted recruits have beaten him out

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say Ryan Willis could have done that, even at Maryland.

And beat WVU as a freshman in his first game

Let's Go...

He threw for 245yd and 4 TDs

Good day for sure but not the video game numbers you stated.

VT cannot afford a $12.5 million buyout.

Our best bet would be for Whit to start beer sales in Lane ASAP... 3 seasons of beer sales might be able to cover they buyout after 2022. :)

Get the best looking sorority girls to start handing out test tube shots near the gates. Then once the person drinks the shot, tell them that'll be $12! Fuentes will be bought out by the end of the 2020 season!


Maybe Whit gives up his salary for a few years to offset his poor choice in prematurely extending Fuente lol

Doesn't cost 12 mil to get a new OC.

Let's Go...

The defense can't be elite when the offense can't stay on the field for any extended period of time.

VTs defenses of the past were so good because the offense ran the ball and controlled time of possession. Tackling and discipline breaks down when your physically exhausted, and that's our defense in a nutshell with this offense.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

I got crushed on TKP for saying Willis stinks for a year and eventually convinced myself he doesn't. He does and the play calling is awful. Hendon better see real time next week.

Defense played their hearts out with no help, turnovers, and 3-and outs in key spots. Short fields and circus catches doesn't count as bad defense. Like what they brought.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

Hendon Quincy "Markelle Fultz level not ready yet" Patterson better see real time next week.


You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup


21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Defense may have played their hearts out, but they had some horrific tackling at times. Some times it would like the D of yesteryear where the offensive player what himself all the way back to the bench, but other times it looked like the practiced way to tackle was to throw a shoulder at the guy and hope he's fall down out of curteousy. Back in the day we were lucky to get 110% hungry D players. I think today we are cruising around 75%. Consistency is the antonym for all 3 phases of the Fuente era teams, like it or not

I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned, but Willis had a short pass batted down in the first half that was a certain pick-6. I hope it was a fluke, but it seems like he was missing something out of his peripheral vision.

I thought the defense played hard, but they were suckers on the misdirection more often than not. I think B.C. tried not to call those plays too often, but with the early lead they could break it out once a possession and get free first down.

I'm not sure which of these is easier to fix, but I'm hoping both before we see another ACC team.

My biggest takeaways:

1) Turnovers was a HUGE problem (for this game at this moment)
2) Clock management.... last TD drive took way too much time. No urgency. It looked like they were acting like they were only down by 1 score.
3) Willis stares down his go-to receiver WAYYYYY too much/long.
4) King is going to be an absolute stud.
5) Our WR's group is deep (pray for Tre to be ok)... Kalen Smith impressed me for being a walk on. Good route running and hands. I see him being an asset for team all season long.
6) Many head-scratching play calls, especially on last drive... two straight runs while there is only like 2-3 minutes left? wtf.
7) Tackling is better but there is still a lot left to be desired.

All in all, I think we will see improvement as the season goes on. Sucks we played a good BC team for the first game of season, but such is life. I think we are 8-9 team at max this season which should be a reasonable expectation.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Hard to disagree with much of this except I'm not sure BC is that good.

marcb2: "A run play? Now? With McClease?"

Hard to tell this early but we mostly took away their best player and the qb proceeded to rip us apart (with decent coverage). At this time I'm gonna say BC is gonna give people fits.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I suspect VT made BC look better than they are. Four turnover differential and the game is still competitive until the last minute?

If it was the other way around, the realist in me would be happy but concerned.

Boston College is not good.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I disagree.

BC is good. We're just not gooder

Agree to disagree. They are good in the sense of the ACC. Overall, in national perception, they fucking suck. And we suck worse.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Frustrated with the play of the DL and OL. Not just this game, but over the last three years it seems our DL gets pushed around and our OL can't get a push for the running game. What gives? Is it coaching? Talent? Strength and conditioning? We have to be good in the trenches on both sides of the ball to be a good team.

God damn this game was frustrating but we can be so damn dramatic.

"RIP Hokie football"

What? Because we lost one game? We went 6-7 last year. Now we're 0-1 and the program is dead? Calm down.

We played pretty well. Defense was great minus a handful of plays. We stopped the run all day. We turned it over 5 times and still had a chance to win. If we take care of the small things, we win this game easily.

We have a lot of work to do, but we have a lot to build on. We showed fight today. We look like a different team from last year. Lost a tough one tonight to a tough BC team, but we have a month to work on things before we get back into conference play.

We stopped the run in spurts but not on BC's last two drivers, which was the dagger.

You are correct. When they needed to run they did so fairly easily - and we knew it was coming.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

If we all want to be happy and not have between 6 and 8 vent threads per season, we cannot be looking at losses to the BC's of the world as a write-off "oh they're always a tough team" when they hardly ever eclipse 8 wins in a year while playing in the ACC. I'm usually a defender of the ACC, but still.

When we were a tough team that people always circled on their schedule, we expected to beat teams like this by 2 TDs, and that's when we knew our offense wasn't going to score more than 30.

Now, we're promised that (paraphrasing) "the defense wont have to hold opponents under 20 anymore."

A handful of plays make a LOT of difference...just saying

I think we all sense a ceiling for this team, and it's lower than we want. That's a feeling we haven't contended with for a while. Sorry everybody.

I mean, we lost the first game, which can only mean we'll have a good season... Right?

I've only been through one Tech game this season and im already over it. Im going back too my tool album

Frame by Frame
Death by Drowning
In your own, In your own
Step by step
Doubt by numbers
In your own, In your own

Yeah. Plus you got the Primus concert coming up in Roanoke (sidenote: PLEASE snag & post some pics & vid clips from that shit).

Oooo i might have too changed what concert I'll go too. Tool in Raleigh is in November as well๐Ÿ˜ฑ

Frame by Frame
Death by Drowning
In your own, In your own
Step by step
Doubt by numbers
In your own, In your own

Flip a coin? Rock paper scissors?

Best 3 out a 5 coin flips ๐Ÿ˜‚

Frame by Frame
Death by Drowning
In your own, In your own
Step by step
Doubt by numbers
In your own, In your own

I feel we may have another OC problem. Our offense only thrives when the defense sputters and we for sure don't cause the sputter. The hype around the Oline was a huge let down, but at the same time I don't think our play calling helps the big guys out.

I double check and, at least we didn't get beat by Loeffler.

Let's Go...

Congratulations boys, we made it to obscurity.

I guess it was a storm of turnovers that was brewing.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Fuente is a joke I lost all faith in the new staff last season and today just reinforces that sentiment. He had one good season with a team loaded with seniors recruited by Frank Beamer. This supposed QB whisperer can only give us a mediocre scrub of a transfer QB that couldn't and wouldn't start at any other P5 school. If Patterson or Hooker dont start by game 3 or 4 I'm done supporting this dumpster fire, no more wearing the jerseys and taking all decals off my car. I'm just done. Fuente better be fired WHEN WE LOSE to UVA this year.


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Looks to me that you're already done supporting this team, stickers on your car or not.

I mean we lost one game by 7 points after 5 turnovers. Surely there's room for some kind of optimism somewhere, even if it feels pretty crappy right now.

There might be once they win a DAMN GAME. Remember: THEY need to change the narrative by changing the results.

I'm in agreement with that.

I'm not done supporting this program I'm done supporting a coach that is comparable to Mike O'cain when it comes to QB "whispering". #Fire Fuente


Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

What the fuck. Chill out or hit the road.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I "hit the road" 2 seasons ago when I realized Fuente was a joke. Dont be mad a me because I speak the truth.


Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

There have been a lot of folks around here speak that damn truth and they are usually trolls.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

How the fuck am I being a troll or trolling anyone for expressing my opinion. If anything you're a Fuente fanboy who is trolling me because I called out your precious "QB whisperer".


Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

I don't think (could be wrong) he meant anything by it specifically to you.

You're right but I took it as being called a troll.


Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

Never said you were, jury is out. But, you bailed two years ago so you must only be here to ruffle feathers.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Here to ruffle feathers by "venting" in a "vent" thread? Come on man. Also a lot has changed in my life in the past 2 years and simply because I do not post like I used to doesn't mean I dont read and lurk weekly/daily.


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Honestly, I hate the "trash" comments. It's frustrating with the turnovers, but the team has ability.

The big question here is Willis. I could maybe excuse the fumble (would have to see the tape), but all 3 int's were bad. 1 happens, but 3? I realize the situation is complex and there are lots of dynamics including inefficiency in the run game, Hazelton out all game, Turner not 100% etc.
A redshirt senior QB can't throw into bracketed coverage on 2nd down at the end of the half in the red zone.

The real question is whether this is just who he is as a player or he bounces back. We have talent at receiver and showed the ability to protect in pass pro, so game management matters.

If he doesn't show the ability to manage those situations I guarantee we make a QB change.

I was excited at how the d stepped up in the second half minus the last series 3rd down play.

Whole heartedly agree with everything you said here (especially the 'trash' comments).

A redshirt senior QB can't throw into bracketed coverage on 2nd down at the end of the half in the red zone.

The real question is whether this is just who he is as a player or he bounces back.

I mean, he did go 0-10 at Kansas... my bigger concern is that I believe he is the best QB on the roster by some significant distance. Which is why recruiting is so important (and far and away my biggest complaint about this staff).

I honestly didn't hate the play calling (except for the running on the final drive), and I thought the young defense fought valiantly.

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Hard to win games when your team turns it over 5 times and give up 14 points.

We can still go 11-1 !!!! ๐Ÿ™ƒ

Let's Go


I'm just here for the drunk, angry comments. At least those don't fail to deliver.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

At least those don't fail to deliver.

TOTES see what you did there!

TOTES see what you did there!

You misspelled TOTS and I need six rails after that bed shitting by Fuente's "fast paced" offense.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

after that bed shitting by Fuente's "fast paced" offense.

So I guess the team did have some pretty long runs.

LOL thank you for the much needed laugh

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

How do Joe's servers handle the upflow of people on the first game and first loss of the season?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

AWS autoscaling? if TKP is even on AWS............

It's not. It has dedicated iron and a substantial memory pool allocated to it.

Well, at least Josh Jackson had a crappy day, too.

Not funny. Not funny. And now the baby is upset.

Yeah wish we had played Howard today

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

BC's quarterback wrote up his PhD dissertation in the pocket today. That's how much time the dude had.

They're going to have to figure this shit out quick.

I don't even have the energy to post a sad/angry gif.

Using /s is for cowards.

Liked what I saw from King and the defense showed some good grit but lazy reads from Willis will sink this ship if he cant take his progressions better. Robinson looked good as well but too many lazy throws. Looks like bud will be struggling to keep the team afloat if the QB play doesn't improve

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Bud has problems of his own, while the D did look notably better than much of last year (granted not a huge accomplishment), the DL is woefully undersized and got ZERO pass rush all day long.

That combined with a secondary that has shown a tendency to blow coverages is a recipe for lots more big plays.

I'm not sure getting pressure was an key part of the game plan. I think BF basically said - as BF generally does - beat us in the air. And they did on a couple of plays (and some great throws to Brown's credit).

What I don't know is if this D can get pressure on the QB on a more pass oriented team.

I have not logged in to post in over a year but this team sucked so bad it made me pull the trigger. The OC needs to be caned! Willis running a read option is a joke......He did not read the D end at all and his decisions appeared predetermined every-time. The last 5-6 minutes of the game was painful to watch!! They played like we had the lead and wasted a crazy amount of time. I just don't understand what the coaches are trying to do and the excuse of not my players is over!!!!


This this this. Down two scores with 6 to go and they were taking their sweet ass time instead of running a two minute drill

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

JBC knows what's up

The OC needs to be caned!

I'm not sure if you meant canned here but I agree with you either way.

Mental mistakes:

Staring down receivers, not going through progressions
Bad snaps (at QBs feet...messes up timing)
False starts, illegal formations
Falling short of first down sticks
Taking kickoffs at the 1yd line, then running back across the field into the scrum getting tackled at the 15 (net 10 yard loss from fair catch or letting it drop in the EZ)
Missing blocking assignment
Not catching punt before starting to run
Calling a rushes up the middle with the smallest/doesn't break tackles RB on last drive (and time management)
Crashing wrong hole
Dropping the first pass of the game (right in your hands)

We put the K in Kwality

The kick off returns were infuriating. Just take the ball at the 25. It's killer field position.

"Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.โ€ -Einstein

Staring down receivers

There was one play where it was so bad, had the ball not been tipped at the LOS, Willis' pass was definitely going to be a pick 6. The defender had jumped the route of the receiver before Willis even released the ball.

I used to wonder what it was like for fans who rooted for teams that sucked to tune in for games no one cared about week in and week out. E.g.: What is it like to be a Kansas Jayhawks fan? A Vandy fan?

Now I know. It blows.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I can tell you what it was like for me. I've been a VT fan for 50 years and for roughly the first half of those years, that was the fate of the VT football fan. Y'know, it didn't really suck, because you just didn't expect but so much, and being a fan and supporting the team meant more than wins and losses. Success can be a mixed bag, and I don't want to go back, but it wasn't the worse thing in the world.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Some good perspective and wisdom hiding in there, and while we're on that topic, it could always be worse - Timecop could be coaching your alma mater.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

This is why VT should play a cupcake in the first game of the year.

It's occurring to me we are gradually becoming the cupcake.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Positives though:

Ashby is a man
Dax looks faster
Secondary covered well, just need experience playing the ball
We have receivers if somebody can throw to them
King will be good but he is lite
This was basically a pick em game and we lost by 7 after horrible turnovers and field position

"I am probably too rational to be here"

James Mitchell had a good game.

It was not a pick 'em game. VT was favored by 4 to 4.5 on the road. Statistically that means a roughly 2 out of 3 chance of winning.

However, statistically turnovers turned it into a roughly 1 in 10 chance of winning. The D kept it within the realm of possible in the 3rd qtr and almost to the end.

I just want to know why Willis was not benched after accounting for 5 turnovers all by himself. I thought "predictable outcomes" was the goal of Fuente's offense. How can he justify keeping Willis in when he nearly single handedly lost the game?

Again, I corrected this up top, Willis was 4 of the 5, Heezy muffed the punt, not Willis.

I thought that he threw 4 picks and had a fumble in addition to Hezzy muffing the punt. Either way that many turnovers by the QB is unacceptable.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I bet on Pittsburgh tonight...FML

I expect about 45,000 for the ODU game. 25,000 after halftime.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Positives- defense looked much improved. Good enough to win a game like this. Some of the young talent on offense looks good.

Negatives- QB. Most of the offense and stuff Fuente should've (at least) improved by now.

Fuente isn't going anywhere anytime soon and I think I like him, but dear God he has to show some progress this year. This game was so far from progress I'm at a loss.

Good thing that year 2 bump kicked in.

I mean, I'm trying to stay positive here, but aside from a somewhat improved defense that was a direct continuation of last year. Cornelsen seems to be Stiney 2.0, Willis seems to have stagnated, and Fu seems to be going the Chip Kelly route, with exponentially less success. I was buzzed all day long, and now I can't wait till it does start snow.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Only big worry is the lack of a big play scares you if you can't take the top off a defense somehow they lose respect and will load the box and play much tighter in coverage this team needs a home run hitter to show up

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

The real question is whether this is just who he is as a player or he bounces back.

Willis is 30 years old. He won't change. He's like Brewer!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Not that this loss was on account of the refs, but did anyone else notice that it seemed as if they weren't calling holding at all?

They called almost nothing the whole game but procedural calls. Can't really complain about that.

Yeah, it's not a major complaint, but that kind of thing usually benefits one of the teams more than the other.

I'm not sure which team it hurt the most in this case.

I also thought blindside blocks were now illegal? With 12:40 left in the first quarter, a BC got away with a truly old school BLOW UP blindside hit...wtf?

Yeah, I saw that one as well.

That should have been "unnecessary roughness".

My newborn blew up her brand new VT onesie within 5 mins of me putting it on her. I'll take ownership for the loss boys. I won't have her in another on game day again.

Taking a shit in maroon and orange...your newborn is Ryan Willis?

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I like Willis but he shouldn't be starting . I think hooker should be given a chance .

Willis would be an excellent backup QB. And I don't say that sarcastically. Remember Brandon Motley?

Let's Go...

No but I do remember Brenden Motley ;)

And I remember Mark Leal...

So while we sit here pondering where the supposed "Storm," went:

UNC looked markedly competent in beating a mid-level SEC team. It clearly is not going to matter that Mack Brown has already Out-Recruited CJF, he's too old to coach.

UVA looks solid against Pitt with a QB who shows a good decision making and reads the opposing D well.

In year Four, Fuente now has me envious of the momentum that UVA and UNC have in their Programs...that's a tremendously awful statement about the direction of VT Football.

Yep. Tell me in 1 category how we are obviously better than we were 4 years ago?

Let's Go...

Ughhhhh that's an unfortunate way to look at things that I agree with.

Has Fuente has been promoted to his respective level of incompetence?

Sure seems that way.

I'm just as frustrated as the rest, but I don't think this team is trash. Defense held BC to 7 points in 2nd half. I only recognized two receivers on offense from last year Grimsley and Turner. Willis forced two of the picks in the end zone, and the 3rd was a heck of a play by the BC defensive end. On the road, -4 in turnover and only lost by 7. I think this team will rebound, just like we did after Bristol in 2016. This team is pissed and I can't wait to see them take it out on ODU. Go Hokies!

Yes the D held the BC O to 7 points in the 2nd half. But have we seen improvement from our O scoring zero points all of the third quarter last year? This is an embarrassing argument on a UVA football level.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I think we actually showed fight and outscored them 14 to 7. Last year we showed no fight in the 2nd half, today Willis was a turnover machine but we still scored 28. 2 more picks in the end zone, that's 14 points left on the field. I'm frustrated as well, but let's not view one game as an indictment for the year.

Forgive me, but what you're explaining to me is putting mustard on a shit sandwich to make it taste better. It's year four. I've talked to a few former players from the Beamer era who told me that this offense is easy to learn and execute. At year four, with Fu's players, plenty of them with a year in the system, I expect execution and performance. We did not have it tonight. Now maybe that's an anomaly, but it sure didn't look much better than last season and it is embarassing and really concerning. Sorry, but in year four, I'm not giving any more excuses to the HFC. This offense needs to hum, against an average ACC team, which compared to a national average, is below. We should have won, were favorites and per the usual got embarassed. I won't stop rooting but I sure as hell am not any closer to donating and they are getting close to irrelevant in my book and I would suspect, many others. One game, but this season is super important and Fuente is already starting behind the 8 ball.

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This offense may be easy to learn and execute, but mistakes are mistakes. I put the picks on Willis, who stares down his target the whole time. I would like to see Hooker and Patterson bring that running threat that Willis lacks. My favorite Hokie QBs all were mobile. From a scheme perspective I agree with the former players it's a simple scheme, but execution falls on the players not the coach. The ultimate fault goes to the coach, but coaches and fans don't play the game.

I'm being so pessimistic and I hate it, but....

I actually do not think that play by the defensive end was purely his good play.

His weight was not at all committed to moving forward, which is why he was able to turn around and get to the ball. The catch itself was good, but Willis floated that ball so bad it gave that DE a chance, and he should've read that DE was in position to make a play in the first place. Ball should not have been thrown either at all, I'm that manner, or it should've been billeted to the feet of our RB for an incompletion.

I'll agree with you, I thought Willis should have led the RB or read the DE in coverage. Yet again, Willis looked right at the RB and nowhere else. The DE had good hands, but Willis threw it pretty close to him. Hoping the poor play lights a fire under this team, with a manageable schedule confidence could go a long way to a successful season

In ironic other news, Maryland laid 79 points down and someone we all know had 4 TDS. Ugggh!

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: โ€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.โ€ - David Teel Tweet 2018

against FCS Howard. you forgot to add that part in.

Same look, same strategy and same results as last season. Adding another good slot receiver and decent running back to a crowded rotation won't fix that. We can't rush for ~3 yards per carry and win, we can't have short slants as our only third down play and win, and most importantly we can't have make multiple costly mistakes especially at QB and expect to win games. We need a new look for the offense and it starts with play calling and QB

3 yards per carry?

Let's Go...

At least we're not Tennessee?

Let's Go...

We need something different

If this board and twitter had been as prominent back in 2010 as it is now, then after our 0-2 start and a loss to JMU, I bet there also would have been 500 comments calling that team "trash". Lotta grown men bold enough to come on here and call a bunch of kids trash need to grow up.

There were definitely questionable play calls and Willis made some dumb ass plays but with all the turnovers (including 2 in the red zone), we only lost by 7. I'm not ready to write this team off. I saw too many young kids step up and make plays today to just dump this team. King, Tayvion, Mitchell, Smith, and Kendricks all showed they're ready to be playmakers. The defense gave up some big plays in the first half, but I just don't think we can ignore the progress that's been made there. If a bunch of y'all wanna jump ship, go for it, this program doesn't really need fans like that.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I have never advocated for a post to go plaid, until now.

I agree with every word you wrote.

I think you are looking at this game in a vacuum. If this were a single instance, like a bad weather day, then I would agree that today sucked but that things would very likely get better tomorrow. Unfortunately this is a longer-term issue and this team picked-up exactly where it left off last season and is continuing a trend of poor play and questionable decisions by the coaching staff. This game was the weather. This program is the climate.

Yea I just don't think I am. I didn't see the same team and the same issues as last year. Should we have lost that game? No. Did I watch that whole game and think "shit that's the same team as last year"? No.

Gobble Till You Wobble

We had 5 turnovers, the ground game showed no progress from last year, Willis is still staring down his targets, D still had issues containing a solid opponent ground game, and our play calling was questionable. How is that progress?

Turnovers weren't a huge problem for us last year soooo don't see the correlation there.

As for the defense, if you watch that game and saw the same defense as last year, then we really aren't going to agree on this.

Gobble Till You Wobble

We probably are not. My two counter points on the D: 3rd & 9 with 2 minutes left and Dillon runs right up the middle for 11 to ice the game, and Brown's TD in near the end of the 2nd. I had visions of GT/Pitt 2018 watching those plays.

We held a healthy Dillon to 81 yards. Lasts years defense doesn't do that. There's definitely a lot of room for improvement. I'm not saying this is our 2005 defense reborn, but this isn't last years either.

Gobble Till You Wobble

No, this loss is completely on the offense and the stupid amount of turnovers. That was nearly the whole reason we lost.

A healthy Dillon w/ 4 new starting offensive linemen.......

Lot of grown men (spending their hard earned money and time supporting the program) criticising the 40+ year old coaching staff, not the 18 year old kids.

Let's Go...

You need to look through these comments better if you think all the trash comments are only being directed at the coaches

Gobble Till You Wobble

I frankly don't care to hear any excuses this year. I gave up season tickets after having them all as a student and for four straight years after graduation. It's not entitlement. VT should beat BC, if we want to be the football program we have acclaimed to be. Fuente's team is trying to be a system greater than the sum of its parts. But we don't have enough difference makers to make it happen. We are a .500 team until further notice. Willis should be benched (throw 4 picks) and Cornelsen should be stripped of playcalling duties.

It's put up or shut up time for Fu. This season could go south very quickly if things aren't rectified. And I don't blame bud for retiring: didn't get a sniff at the HC job, has built up some good wealth and is ready to step away from the BS. Don't blame him.

Wow y'all have lost yalls minds! I feel like I'm reading the Sabre right now. Come on guys I know losing sucks but damn!

Football is a lot like life, and you're going to have disappointments. The issue is how you come back from them.

~ Frank Beamer

An off-season of hopes and dreams, promises of fixed problems, and a new sense of togetherness and mission all just exploded in a matter of hours. Lots of weekend plans just went up in flames and I'm sure a lot of people out there are wondering why they re-upped on tickets again this year, and a whole bunch wondering why the hell they went through the struggle to find a way to subscribe to the ACCN... My advice - check back in on Wednesday when the hangover is mostly done and we should at least be back to cordial ways.

I hope nobody that has this kind of reaction coaches kids in any capacity. We're all disappointed but get a grip. Weekend plans just went up in flames and the team's sense of togetherness just exploded? How have you even survived a single Virginia Tech football season with that mindset?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I blame turkey bacon.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Maybe UVA will lose and the whole state can be miserable together


It's not about showing emotion or not showing emotion.

Fuente hasn't done shit since he got here. This was a bad hire. You are what your record says you are, and his recrod is bad.

What!?! 25-15 is a bad record?

Beamer's last 3 years we went 22-17. Fuente has improved, but let's not act like he's miles ahead right now based on record alone.

Te to qb

The difference in those records can be chalked-up to a handful of plays going our way for Fu (see goal line stand/fumble recovery against UNC last year) . If anything I think he's lucky to have the record he has during his time at Tech

Sure, and on the flip side, a handful of plays is possibly the difference between starting this year 0-1 and 1-0. I don't think luck has anything to do with his record.

Fortunate is probably the better word choice. To bring it up a level my point is that I do not see anything on paper or in the fan base that tells me that Fuente has improved things. Yes Beamer was retiring and we had to make a change but Fuente was supposed to be elevating the program and not maintain the status quo that had settled in.

I'm really starting to wonder what the alternate reality would look like if we had given the HC job to Foster.

No, but 1-5 is. That's the last 6 vs. P5 teams.

We seemed to always come up with undisciplined play when we could least afford it. Coaches need systems, cuz systems reduce errors, or at least that's what I used to think. Mebbe its just a young team... no amount of drilling was going to put them in position to play disciplined football this early against decent competition?

I used to watch this team beat teams that went 7-5 the year before. That shit is a toss up these days. Anyone defending this is delusional. He went 10-4 with Beamer's players and Jรฉrod Evans who didn't even like him. This is his roster now. We turned it over five fucking times and got beat for big plays entirely too much. Y'all wanna talk about donations and shit, give people a reason to donate.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

How did we turn the ball over FIVE TIMES and only lose by 7. Our defense played much better in the second half and we definitely have some weapons on offense. I think it's too late to expect greatness from Willis but I think another game or two like this will have Hooker starting

People, come back in from the ledge! Don't give up on this team or this season. I know losses are always tough to take, but this was not an unexpected result. It was a toss-up away game against a team that beat us by 14 last year, and 2 of the 3 ACC Network analysts actually picked BC to win this game.

If you didn't watch the game, the only thing you really need to know is that we had a -4 TO margin. And we still had a chance to win in the last 2 minutes. Obviously, you can't turn the ball over like that and expect to win a football game, but turnovers can be corrected. Last year, we got dump-trucked by AJ Dillon, and that didn't happen today. The defense looks competitive this year, and that's encouraging.

The negatives at this point are that Ryan Willis needs to take much better care of the ball, our running game is pedestrian, and we have a non-existent pass rush. But we knew all that going into the season. The positives are that the defense looks much more physically capable of playing ACC-level football, and the offense can move the ball and score points.

The people who predicted we'd win 9 or 10 games ignored the glaring weakness we have (RB, DE and overall experience). This is a team that's going to claw and scrap and fight to win 7 or 8 games. But that's football. If you can't handle that, I'd recommend you look the other way and come back in 2020 when we'll return almost our entire team from 2019. Otherwise, strap in and dedicate yourself to rooting for a group of players who are doing their best to win football games.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

I can appreciate the sentiment here, but Fuente is 1-5 in his last 6 P-5 games (against ACC Coastal teams). That is atrocious no matter how you spin it.

Is it basketball season yet?

"This was not an unexpected result."

I agree with this sentence.

And that's the problem. It's boston College. I think I could list 25 teams outside of the Top 25 that do not share this sentiment.

If we r gonna play all these freshman receivers and backs then y not play hooker or Patterson and build for the next 2 yrs instead of an average Willis for 1 year I don't understand that thinking even if Willis is a little better that don't benefit 20 and 21 seasons.

"I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them." - Lee Corso

What was so bad about the play calling? I didnt want to reply to just one post but it has been brought up over and over. I thought it was pretty good considering the lack of dynamic running game and a qb that cant be trusted.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Down 14 with 4 min to go and we are running the ball... or the countless Willis draw plays 14 rushes for 7 yards....

"I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them." - Lee Corso

How bout them RB draws up the middle down 14 points with 3 min left on the clock?

It is pretty typical when defenses start dropping into coverage. Clock stops to set chains in college, so middle of field is an option there.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Not exactly sure that I can put an exact stamp on it, certainly not how French could, but.....

Most formations most of the time, I can predict where the ball is going to go OR NOT GO. The "or not go" is important because that's apparently Cornelson's entire offense, misdirection.

I feel like far, far, far too often, our offensive plays are broken before they start. Sure, sometimes a play works out perfectly and you get a hezekiah long TD catch streaking across the field....but honestly, does anyone else feel like they know exactly between 2 spots what the play is going to be before it happens?

I think our new offense and scoring average tells it all over the past 2 years.

This is probably my biggest gripe with Corn too. I could call most of the plays way before the snap. It's all too predictable. Even the sub-par announcers were calling the plays most of the game. It's not great.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel like this offense is predicated on the QB being able to execute a legit (not predetermined) read-option. I think Evans was able to do this, and that's why they had some success. Willis can not, or at least has showed he lacks the ability, or corn/fu do not trust him to run a legit option attack.

This is why my current shtick is to give Hooker some spin. Yes, yes, the backup QB is everyone's favorite player...However, Hooker is a legit running threat, that alone should open up the offense a ton. People claim that he can't throw, based on what evidence, I don't know. Even if this is true, I'm sure he couldn't of made it this far without being able to hit someone in the flats, on a wheel route, or some slants. If we have to nickel and dime, so be it, that's mostly what this offense currently is anyways. They could stand to speed things up, like what was touted when Fuente came in. If Hooker needs a simplified offense, okay, let's do it really fucking fast then.

Willis' floor is his ceiling. We don't have much to gain by dying on that hill. Willis is a gritty player who will leave it all out on the field, and I think that is why we all rally around him so much. However, at the end of the day he is not accurate, can't make reads, and feels like he lacks a feel for the game.

End of rant, something needs to change whether it be offensive tactics or QB, but what is going on now isn't working super great. Not bad, but not where the team should be either.

I criticize knowing full well I could never do what these athletes do.

At least we aren't Tennessee...amirite?!

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Better yet, if your favorite Tennessee fan breaks up with his girlfriend, make sure he asks her if they can still be cousins.

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Anyone missing Josh Jackson is being dumb as hell. Yeah he threw 5 TD's once against ODU too. He can't move the ball against real P5 teams and will get absolutely destroyed in the Big 10.

The problem here if anything is that Fuente couldn't even develop him to be better than a guy who just turned it over 5 times.

I'm with you! I would much rather my QB force a throw into double coverage than have one who protects the ball.

Te to qb

Lol! I love a good crying Jordan

"Mountains get big cause they have no natural predators." - Ken M

After tonight, I'm finding it hard to care about how this season goes as a whole.

That's the first time I've ever thought that about Hokie football, and that's a problem.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I'm starting to share your apathy for the first time since I became a fan in 1995.

Sigh... This is what losing does to a fan base.

Losing is just as contagious as winning. Right now we have a team full of players who are used to losing, especially to P-5 teams. Our starting QB has an abysmal W-L record as a starter (granted, much of that was with another school), so he's very used to losing. Until these guys learn how to win, then we can expect a lot more of the same because right now that's all that a lot of them know.

Well. Here we are. We are no longer THAT team. And boy do I hate it. I hate our lowered expectations.

Mind you, I was a freshman in 04, I'm spoiled. It took a few years after graduating to see a barely bowl eligible team. But other than '16 this is where we've been. Since 2012. Where's our swagger? Where's our nuts? I'm watching Iowa play right now, and I miss this teeth in the defense, the LOUD home field advantage. I miss an offense that scored and managed a fucking game.

We are supposed to be competing for ACC titles, and with any luck, a playoff spot. Instead, we're fighting for bowl games and beating UVA.

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BSME 2009

i miss the old days. That is all.

I do too but in the old days the wish was for a spread offense...now we cant run the ball, can't play fake anybody, and defense seems to have lost its nasty. A little funny really ...

"I am probably too rational to be here"

True. Vick changed the game. You have to have a qb who can make things happen when they break down, even Alabama is running spread but they can still run the ball down your throat. It's the scheme, plain and simple. We have players good enough to be successful.

True. Vick changed the game. You have to have a qb who can make things happen when they break down, even Alabama is running spread but they can still run the ball down your throat. It's the scheme, plain and simple. We have players good enough to be successful.

Oh and we need a coach who can teach the running game. Talent is there, the scheme sucks.

We need a qb who can be a run threat. That is the college game now. Let hooker play.

Hokie fans, lets tap the breaks on these hysterical meltdowns. I am as upset as anyone about a 5 turnover loss but lets see how this team develops before we give up on this season and try to burn players and coaches at the stake. I actually believe we will be OK.

I don't think the people who are melting down are doing it because of this loss specifically. Many of us have been down on Fuente and Co for about a year now. Others have told us over and over again that "we just had to remove the cancer players" or "Fu just needs to get his players in the system" or "we're just young". Well all of those are looking more and more like bull crap. We had the worst season in 25 years last year and guess what, it's poop again and the 2020 recruiting class tells me it's going to keep getting worse. If you don't want to call a spade a spade that's fine. I wish I could share your optimism. I feel about the same today as I felt after the Pitt loss in 2012: "It is about time to really consider a regime change"

Remember how good we felt a year ago when we thumped FSU? Our initial optimism did not last. The fact is last year's defense lost 5, yes 5 players to the NFL. The fact is, we were (and still are) young. I think there are only 4 seniors on the two deep. Willis threw for 344 yards and 4 touchdowns but the interceptions and muffed punt killed us. Cannot logically blame Fuente for that. In the post game comments, Bud rightly pointed out that the defense played much better in the second half. Perhaps we will have a bad season, but lets get a little perspective and see if we can get better.
I would not mind seeing Patterson and/or Hooker get some playing time the next few weeks. With regard to recruiting, 2020 does not look good at the moment but the previous two years were around the Virginia Tech Beamer average.

Thinking the same thing last year after beating FSU the hype train took off and look where that got us. In 2014 we beat OSU and were 2-0 and where did we end up. Overreaction for week 1. Trust me I'm not happy but let see where the season goes from here.


I am shocked how many people want to boil this down to "Willis sucks" when Fuente has had 4 years and 2 other high-4 star recruits with multiple years in the system to develop an alternative and can't come up with jack shit

It all comes down to nobody thinks we can run the ball and we can't. Much easier to defend us when you do not have to worry about the run or the qb run game. 3 and outs and turnovers kill the defense.

A couple of comments about " recruits matter" got me thinking...what kid of recruits does BC actually have? Like, wtf, BC football, lol? I'm too lazy to pull the 247 numbers, how do the BC recruiting numbers fare against us? Would tell us a lot about our coaching staff.

Let's Go...

You'd be better off not looking into this any further than you already have

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

There's certainly a lot more nuance to it (Bud Foster retirement), but BC currently sits at 47th for the 2020 class. We are at 76. That's good for last in the ACC and 1 spot below South Alabama and 3 spots above Army.

UVA is a better program than us. Just let that sink in.

Better team? Debatable

Better program? Not even close

Is it basketball season yet?

The names cutting into the stripes on the back of the jerseys and the patches on the front looked terrible


Darrisaw's jersey at 1:13 for example.

And this what I'm talking about with the patch

Just thought it looked cheap

Mostly just McClease, his was worst. It was like the name patch wasnt aligned properly.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I noticed it on a couple, just thought it looked kind of JV, and it's a little lighter topic than discussing the impending doom of the program /s kinda

No vent here. What I saw today was a D that still needs work, but played pretty well. We held a 1st team all-ACC RB to 81 yards on 23 carries (3.5 ypc) and only 1 TD. We bit too many times on pass plays and that will hopefully get better with experience.

Also, I spent an off-season being told that Willis had all the tools, could be a dark horse for Heisman, and just needed to work on his reads. I also watched a QB who was 11-5 (5-3 conf) walk out the door, while being told that he sucked, wouldn't be missed, and Willis would make us forget all about him. Willis might be all that in practice, but when the lights come on, I saw a guy who didn't get the job done. He underthrew 2 TDs in the red zone, one into triangle coverage when he had a WR wide open in the area. He stared down receivers almost all day. Heck, he had WRs wide open all over the field and couldn't find them. Robinson and Mitchell were running all alone. Willis lost the game for us today. He makes better plays, we score 2 TDs and win.

His run reads still haven't gotten better. He got RBs crushed for no reason. What's better about this year than last is that the RBs only lost 10 yds on 27 carries, with the failure to pick up the run blitz being the worst (-5 yds). Nobody broke a big one. It's going to happen, probably once King gets more experience. He looked good and McClease didn't go down nearly as easily as last year.

Our WR corps can be stout this year. Mitchell and Robinson made nice grabs on passes thrown behind them. Kaleb made a monster grab on that last TD and showed he deserved the scholly. If we had a QB who could throw intermediate passes over the middle... I'd like to see Hooker get the chance to show what he can do with these guys.

I liked seeing the C on the jerseys. It's about time. It's surprising that the starting QB doesn't have one, or is it?

We're 0-1 (0-1) today, and really should have won if it weren't for the TOs, especially the 2 in the red zone. Definitely some things to clean up, and we have a few games to work things out. At least we aren't Tennessee!

I was listening until you quoted QB W/L, the single most bogus stat in major sports.

ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ JJ won more games than he lost. IIWII. I really hoped Willis would turn a corner. He's not there yet, and reverted back to the same issues as last year.

ETA: If records don't matter, WTH is everyone so pissed all the time?

I agree with most of your post, but who told you this?!

Also, I spent an off-season being told that Willis... ...could be a dark horse for Heisman,

I don't think any reasonable person thought this.

Twitter me

I didn't say that reasonable people were saying it. And based on what I'm seeing on this and other sites, there are a LOT of unreasonable folks on the interwebs talking about this game.

At least Devyn Ford had an 81 yard TD on his second touch ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ


I wasn't even mad until I showed up here. There is some serious batshit mojo going on at TKP.

Leonard. Duh.

I think its time to panic. The last time we opened a season and won one of the opening games like we were supposed to was 2011 against app state. Theres been plenty of bowling greens over the past 8 years.

We don't make decisions that big time schools make, both on and off the field. Willis should have been pulled for at least a play after the third turnover, or QP should have come in for a wildcat.

The reason why Fuente looks beat and confused in press conferences, is because he is beat and confused. He's been backing Cornelson for 4 years to extremely ill affect. 4 turnovers at the battle of bristol and it was okay because Fuente was new, and the roster was young. 5 turnovers today, and its okay because Fuente finally has his roster (Not srs)

We look small all over the field, and we have for the past 10 years.

The entire coaching staff is hard headed as hell, and Foster is not innocent in this. Our defense has suffered because of the scheme we try and play, and its effectiveness is evident in the amount of teams that use a direct copy of it.

There are leaders in CFB, and those leaders win with results on the field, and results that spur changes nation wide. We are no longer leaders. We don't lead with "want to", scheme, or talent. We aren't looked to as leaders among topped ranked teams, in the ACC, or even in our own state.

These are worrisome times folks, and these times are hidden behind a coach that won't admit to them.

Fuente is an ice spoon atop a boiling pot of water.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

The last time we opened a season and won one of the opening games like we were supposed to was 2011 against app state.


This is the first time we've lost a season opener against a team that wasn't ranked #1 since 2010. Fuente had been 3-0 in openers, including defeating two ranked teams in 2017 WVU and 2018 FSU (and yes I know FSU didn't deserve to be).

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I guess let me rephrase.

The last time we just beat the pants off a team in the first couple weeks of a season was 2011 against App state.

We don't prepare for the season as well as other teams do as evident with our 21 point wins over Delaware or what ever the heck have you.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

I mean we beat the pants off FSU last year

Them too. (see my reply below yours)

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

The last time we just beat the pants off a team in the first couple weeks of a season was 2011 against App state.

2012 Austin Peay, 42-7 (week 2)
2013 Western Carolina, 45-3 (week 2)
2015 Furman, 42-3 (week 2); Purdue, 52-21 (week 3)
2016 Boston College, 49-0 (week 3)
2017 ECU, 64-17 (week 3)
2018 William and Mary, 62-17 (week 2)

Before you mention that many of those are FCS teams, so was App State in 2011.
And, several were not.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

In 2016, we lost to Tennessee by 21 points when we had (I think) 5 turnovers. The 2016 team was pretty good right?

I know we all hate losing to teams like BC that we used to dominate, but it's early in the season and we made a lot of mistakes and only lost by 7. Again, the 2016 team had a turnover-happy game and lost by 21.

It's not as though limiting turnovers is something we can't do. Willis threw 9 pics all of last season, I don't think we can expect him to average 3 per game. Bad stuff happened today, young guys showed promise and D showed improvement. Still too early in the season for this much negativity and hopelessness.

Is your login that willis got all of his pics out of the way?

If you think its "too early" to compare turnover margin with a game from 2016, with a coach finally having only his kids on the roster then we may just differ in how we judge successful football.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

No, I'm not saying Willis has gotten all his pics out of the way. I'm saying 3-INT games are not the norm for Willis, that's all.

This game was ugly, no excusing it. But my point is even good teams, like 2016 coastal champ VT, is going to lose when they turn it over 5 times.

So, maybe this team will be awful all season - that's possible.

Or, maybe today was full of week-1 type mistakes that we'll see less of during the year, Willis gets back to taking care of the ball and throwing 0-1 pics per game as we know he's capable of, and that combined with improved D leads to a 8-9 win season.

Both are possibilities at this point, that's all I'm saying.

There's also an element of luck to this. BC QB fumbled in first half and BC muffed a punt in 4th Q and BC recovered both. When VT muffed a punt and when our QB fumbled, BC also recovered both. The INT on the screen pass is a one in a million play. Any of those could have changed the game. Just wasn't our day today, our mistakes killed us and BC got away with theirs.

If Willis does great in practice but underperforms in games... Maybe Hendon sucks at practice and does good at the real thing? (Or at least gets better with experience?)

TL;DR....but my thoughts which i'm sure are similar to others.

I'm too old (not that old though) to stay irritated at this team. It does no one any good. Can we be upset, of course. But I'm not one to cast the season off on one game.

Defense looked much improved to last year. Not great, mind you but loads better than last year. They are still a young defense and have plenty of time to grow. If we had DBU of old we would have held them to maybe a score. DBs got smoked early.

This was not the BC offense that we have been used to. This is the first time seeing this, especially with the burner freshman they have at #4. Without him they were no threat. We shut down their run game minus one game where you could tell the defense was just tired. When has BC ever run a spread up tempo? We stuffed their bread and butter power run game minus one drive.

Turnovers.....i'm know it's been beaten to death however 5 TOs and you're not winning. And we were still in the game until the last few minutes. 2 Int's were thrown in the endzone. I gotta believe at worst if those aren't thrown we get at least 3 on one of those drives, minimum. 2 fumbles in our side of the field that gave them the short field. That's almost a 28 pt swing in the game, take two potential TDs from us and give them 2. That is the game right there. Despite that not horrible in my opinion for the fist game.

those INTs are completely on Willis. which is frustrating. As much as I wanted to dog on him for throwing those we was throwing some great passes when we ran the hurry up. His first pass to grimsely was on point. We need more of those. Some people complain that Willis is not a running threat. He isn't. He was never touted as a running threat. We've just seen him come up with some guts, toughness and heads up plays on his runs. He's not gonna break a long one or juke out defenders but he know where he needs to get and is athletic enough to usually get there if not close.

I'm not sold on Corny, but I don't know.

In the end, i'm not done in slightest with this team. I'll still be reading articles and waiting next weekend. I think 8-4 my be a reasonable expectation. We'll see how the team grows. I doubt we are going to tossing 5 turnovers every game. If willis becomes an INT machine then Fu needs to replace him. they'll watch film and learn. I don't know what Hooker doesn't have at the moment that willis does that makes him number one. But we have to assume willis is the one who puts us in the best position to win the game.

Anyhow, long rant. Was upset at the turnovers, the early passing capability of BC against our secondary, was surprised at how well the DL played for their youth and lack of depth. LBs played well as well. Would have liked to have seen some more pressure on Brown. I think Bud was surprised at how well Brown has progressed in the passing game. Last time we played him he was not that passer, if I remember correctly.

Finally not a fan of calling this team trash or anything like this. these are young kids who are playing tough. Can we criticize certain plays and passes, etc?? Sure, but to call the team trash is dishonest and BS if you ask me. How many players read sites like these and see fans putting them on blast because of mistakes?? It doesn't help. Grow up. Criticize playcalling and obvious mistakes (Willis staring down the receiver in the endzone to throw a pick) but to lump all these guys in and call them trash is immature and un-called for.

Edit: Forgot the RBs. McClease and Houlston looked better although not nearly like we have been used to in the past at RB. King made some moves and showed some vision out there when he had the chance. I think he will be a good running back for us in the future. Wonder if they'll keep his redshirt in tact or not. Either way I think the RB position has taken a step forward with him. Time will tell though.

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Great post. No one is suffering more than the young men who were actually on the field, and we can choose to make that worse by spreading the anger and frustration, or we choose to get behind them. I'll take the latter.

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On the interception at the end of the 2nd quarter, I think this was the first red zone pick, I don't think Willis is completely to blame, though he def should've just thrown the ball away.

Go back and watch that play...unless our receivers messed up and ran the wrong routes, Cornelson ran 4 verticals on a shortened field when there was enough time to NOT do so. Soft, underneath coverage with plenty of safety help and you run 4 verticals.......just....how is he an OC?

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Because Willis can't throw an intermediate pass to save his ass. The ones he threw early in the game were behind and the receivers made plays to catch them. The TD pass to Smith was WIDE, at 11 yards, and Smith made a great catch.

Ryan Willis is now 4-7 as a starter.

He has yet to convince me he can play consistently at a level required to compete in the ACC. And if we do not change it up - especially in the next few weeks when we have some games to really get some experience with other guys - then I will continue to question this staff's ability to coach/evaluate the QB spot.

How much worse does Hooker have to negate the benefit of getting a young guy playing experience that would be the starting QB for next year? If he's markedly worse than Willis, I guess we're screwed next year too since then we'll have a worse than Willis QB with 0 game experience.

Let's Go...

My thought is that if during evaluation, Hooker and Willis can achieve the same win total, then why are we not going with Hooker? I've said this before, but I think Corny and Fu are going with the comfortable option at the QB spot - maybe it's time to just see if we can shake things up a bit. Who knows - it may bring out more fight in Willis if he's benched to perform?

Fuente needed to win this one and he blew it.

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

Beamer built a stadium that will be half full in a few years. This whole football thing is over. If we ever do get a coach who has a pulse, they will jump ship before they can actually build anything. Frank Beamer, Vick and Corey Moore was the chance to fill the trophy case and we were damn lucky to ever have gotten anywhere near that. We honestly have a better shot at doing anything on a national level in basketball. Final 4 a much bigger realistic goal than the football playoff. Even when we were winning the ACC, we recruited at the middle of the pack. Not many coaches are going to get the success we want with that. So point is there is no reason to get pissed about yesterday, a hall of fame alumnus gave us way too high expectations.

You got this from one game that we lost after FIVE turnovers?

I agree it's a tad dramatic but we actually were closer to a Final 4 basketball program this past season then we are any close to a playoff caliber football program. Crazy to consider.

Let's Go...

The incoming 2020 recruits aren't going to do much to fill the gaps that Tech desperately needs. And for anyone still thinking that Tech will land a top 25 class in 2021, do you still think that the top players in the country are going to be excited to play for this team, and specifically this head coach?

Don't worry, I've heard that we are really going to nail the [current year + 2] class.

Yep. We can't land the top players in the state. Much less any others around the country.

I'm glad we're not trying to recruit this fan base.

I'm not advocating for it one way or the other, but do we think Fuente seriously considers starting Hooker next week? The thing he demands from his QB is ball security and we didn't quite get that last night.

I doubt that he does, but I wish that he would. His offense has flowed better when he has a true running threat, and a McClease-led rushing attack doesn't inspire any confidence.

No, because change is for suckers who don't have huge buyouts.

It's not that we lost to BC, I predicted we'd lose 3 games this season and BC was one of those on the bubble to be one of the 3 for me.

It's that offensively, nothing seems to have changed since last season, aside from having a couple more threats out wide (which is nice). Willis is still making the same errors and the running game is still pitiful. We still can't seem to figure out how we want the offense to run and it generally just looks unorganized. In year 4, it feels like Fuente has hit a wall.

The defense showed some signs of progression, at least. The secondary got torched a few times, and we're getting no pressure on the QB. Those things are concerning. But we did well to stop the run and tightened up nicely in the 2nd half, I thought.

I'm not calling it quits on the season or anything, but a failure to adjust... something... on offense will see another disappointing year and further damage the aura around the Fuente era.

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See? Lots of teams stumble out of the gate.

What amazes me, is we have had some really great seasons where we lost the opening game, and yet the fanbase seems to lose their shit.

For all we know, these boys learned a lot this game and will be working hard to make things right. It wouldn't be the first time we started off slow and ended with a great season.

If they don't come out strong and win against ODU and blow out Furman, then I would say there are some real concerns. But still lot of football to be played and there is nothing you can do about Fuente now, or even at the end of the year.

To me, its not the fact that we lost the opener, or the fact that we lost to BC.

Its about the way we lost, and the lack of progress the team has made since Fuente came onboard. The only measuring stick we have right now is atrocious execution in the opener, and until the results change on the field, people will continue to lose their shit.

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Well and succinctly said. I would add that the other concern is the complete lack of adjustment at QB despite the 3rd and 4th turnover. I was a Ryan Willis believer last year, but man, his decisions looked nothing like those of a 5th-yr senior who supposedly had made so much progress in the off-season. In fact his decisiveness and pocket presence reminded me of Glennon (on Glennon's bad days). Yeah it's one game, but like others here have pointed out, it continues a negative trend observed last year.

This team will do well to get 7 wins this season and I am thinking it'll be more like 5 or 6. Hope I'm wrong.

I'm legitimately concerned about ODU. Coming off the BC loss, the team is likely very disappointed. Plus Kumah and Cunningham know our offense and will probably give their staff a leg up. I don't know what this fan base will do if we lose to ODU again this year, plus at home.

The crazy part is we have been in this position in the past well, including losing that second game that was supposed to be a "cupcake".

Hopefully we don't go down that path and these kids regroup after the week 1 lose.

As been mentioned, remove those turnovers and this would have been a different game. So at least we have a start on what to work on.

I'm still looking forward to this season, we won the opener last year and were riding high and that didn't end up well. So this year, maybe we'll get the reverse.

I feel better about us having a regular week, before ODU. If it was a short week or a BYE (planned or not) that's a different story...

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May the wings of liberty never lose a feather. - Jack Burton

After losing to ODU in embarrassing fashion last year, it shouldn't matter if we had 3 weeks or 3 minutes to prepare, we better utterly dominate next week.

If this game is competitive past the 2nd Quarter, I would feel even less confidence than I do now (and the tank is pretty low to start with).

Two ex-players can't tell the coaches any more about the offense than what a competent coach would pick up in film review anyway.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Something I just don't understand is the QB situation. Like, I know it's been mentioned ad nauseum, but is Willis really the best QB we got? Does a QB with supposed higher potential have to sit out until he is ready? How can a QB get ready without actually playing in games?

"Entry level position. 10yrs experience required."

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Of all the criticisms, maybe that's the most important- where are the studs? We need a guy that can not only coach but also bring in players that can compete at our level - that is definitely lacking.

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I have now pulled my head out of the sand (or my ass) and see the reality of what's going on. We are an average team that will get beaten by other average teams when we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I don't have major issues with playcalling but the lack of development at the QB position is alarming and there's enough body of work now to support that. I did and still think that Willis is a better QB than JJ but his higher ceiling is nullified by his poor decision making and lack of development between the ears. A lot of that is on him and more of that is on Fu and Corny. Add on the fact that we have 2 4* QBs that have been in our system 2-3 years and they're not better than that and we have coaching problems. Corny is a decent tactician and knows the game and can put together a game plan (dare I say the same could've been said about Loeffler). But at the college level, motivating and developing players is more important and I haven't seen that. Willis will lose more games for us this season. He may be the better option but Fu needs to start thinking about next season too. In the next 3 games, Willis needs to start, be kept in until we get up by 10+ and be sat to see what HH and QP can do in a game. The lights may come on. They may see something that hasn't been shown in practice. But they need to see. If Willis is kept in past halftime, then my worst suspicions will be confirmed โ€” that Fu is a stubborn person that refuses to step back and question he or his coaches' decisions.

The defense wasn't great but after they settled down, they played well enough. Bud has always been a little slow to adjust but he did and it worked. D is a work in progress and they are better, but they aren't LPDs of old that are going to win games for us. That will have to be a collective effort and right now and a lot of last season, the offense didn't hold up their end of the stick.

The team on the field yesterday will lose at least 4-5 more games if they execute that poorly. Let's hope they improve.

I'm eating crow and admitting that's Willis is not the answer. He hasn't improved enough in the offseason and at this point, he won't. HH or QP will be better for this team in the long run โ€” right now.

I don't think any player is really the answer right now. Seems we have a whole lot more to do to get back to being an elite team and looking for a quick fix in a player isn't going to do anything.

For those thinking that Fuente is going to be gone with another poor season take a look at this.

The first number is what Va. Tech's owes him if they fire him and then 2nd number is Fuente's to leave for another school.

2019: $15 million, $3 million

2020: $12.5 million, $1 million

2021: $10 million, $750,000

2022: $7.5 million, $500,000

2023: $5 million, $500,000

2024: $2 million, zero

Question about Waller's INT...

It seemed that Waller caught the ball just outside the EZ and his feet did hit down at ~1YD line but he and the offensive player fell backward into the EZ before he was down.

If he truly had possession at the 1YD line but didn't get tackled until he was in the EZ, why would that not be a safety? Otherwise, you rule that he isn't down until he's in the EZ and it's a touchback, right?

What am I missing? We obviously shot ourselves in the foot with all our turnovers but that break may have altered the outcome.

Not a rules expert, but if he drops it before going the ground in the end zone I think it's ruled an incompletion. Therefore, in my very biased opinion, it should be a touchback.

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Forward progress puts the ball back to where it was first possessed.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Its not possessed without being in bounds. Otherwise you could score a touchdown catch in the endzone without getting a foot down

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I havent had benefit of seeing a replay but I seem to remember 2 feet down before going into the end zone.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Then that would be different and the 2 yard line would be the correct call.

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Alright, it's Monday morning, time to be rational: one data point does not complete the set. We cannot definitively say what this team is with one game under our belt. There is still a LOT of football to be played, and Willis and the rest of the team has not yet had a second game to bounce back.

Like it or not, improvement tends to happen over the course of a season (i.e., we did NOT see the team's ceiling Saturday). Bad games happen, and disappointing as they are, I'd rather them happen at the beginning of the season for the team to learn and grow from, than more to happen later as a result of undercorrecting.

I'd argue that every game in the Fuente era is a data point, and Saturday's game is a continuation of a 4 season trend in a negative direction.

I can't agree with that.

I guess we'll need some more data. I sure do hope they prove you wrong.

I know I asked it in another thread but did Hazleton play? I don't remember his name being called at all

Iirc he reinjured the same hamstring injury from last year, last week.

I am sad. I just watched the Tech Sideline podcast and that didn't make me feel better.

In other news whiskey is delicious.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Yea, and towards the end Will asked the same question I have... Basically: If we currently have a single read QB who can't execute the zone read, why not put in a QB who can execute the zone read and give him the single read in the passing game?

Is it basketball season yet?


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Here is what's bothering me....the downtrend for Tech football occured when our OL play/cosching/recruiting went downward. We made up for that by dynamic runners and dual threat QBs.

Then we lost out on dynamic runners. While Marshawn and Shai had huge upsides, we havent had anyone since David Wilson.

We lost the ability to recruit out of high school any QB that can be developed or used as a serviceable backup. Instead we've gotten transfers from guys who couldnt make it work where they were at. There is a long list of QBs that were recruited but never saw the field as a Hokie or who left prematurely.

We have always had dudes in the kicking game. That is now gone.

DBU is a distant memory. Having lockdown CBs who hit hard and intercepted the ball was the norm. Now we settle for "well, they are servicable". Recruiting updates have us fighting for 3 star guys instead of blue choppers. The blue chippers we get also seem to have development problems.

We seemed to have fixed LB depth, but if Dax goes down we have a bunch of average guys to fill in.

This is our second season with issues on the DL.

Absolutely nothing seems to be trending for the better.

Even worse we have a departing CBF. If we dont get this season put together, who is going to want to follow him while CJFs is considered in the hot seat and a fanbase that is on the verge of mass mutiny?

This. So much this. This program has no identity right now. Well, maybe that's a lie. The identity of the program is "Disastrous Offseasons", which is definitely what we want out of a football program, right? The offensive schemes are predictable and unimaginative, relying on our super-talented WR breaking a big play. That's all it has. The defense has absolutely nothing noteworthy about it. The special teams is sloppy.

What is the *vision* for this program? because where I'm sitting there absolutely is none.

We seemed to have fixed LB depth, but if Dax goes down we have a bunch of average guys to fill in.

I'm gonna disagree with this. Ashby has been a bright spot and the coaches are extremely high on Artis and Tisdale as well. I doubt Foster threw out a Xavier Adibi comparisons this off-season for nothing. Rivers hasn't been quite what most hoped given his high profile flip from Penn State but he's solid depth. I know people love Dax because he's vocal and emotional (common theme around here lately), but this LB group is a lot more than just Dax.

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Hard to read, but well said and ultimately there is much truth to this post.

You did forget to mention that we have also lost a number of VERY important administrative staff in the past 2 seasons --Cantor, Guerry, and now Bartelstein.

Overall, there's just alot of bad right now and there has been very little evidence over the last 2 years that the current staff has the answers to fix this.

Really, you are at the point that the only real solution is winning and the current on-field play simply isn't good enough to think that this team is going to turn a major corner.

Offensively, we are easy to defend, appear to play to the opponents strengths, and generally just do not have any clear direction. The best description of this offense is "trying to pound a square peg into a round hole."

Defensively, we have a hall of fame Coordinator (for 1 more year) but subpar recruiting on the DL and Secondary have left us thin and undersized. The lack of QB pressure is going to bite us repeatedly this year with lots of big pass plays. Big OL are going to simply wear us down - See Notre Dame.

One thing I think are missing from this though, is this didn't start with Fuente. I truly think Beamer left the cupboard more bare and the state of the program trending this way.

I know we don't want to focus on a beloved coach that way, but he left for a reason and things were already going downhill.

Honestly, it may have been better for perception and Fuente to not have two successful years right away. Bronco is getting a lot of love out there right now, because he went to the bottom immediately and is slowly trending up. That's easier to swallow then hitting the top and now starting over. Which I think is the panic with the Fuente hot seat takes.

One thing I think are missing from this though, is this didn't start with Fuente.

There are those who would argue that it started at the conclusion of the 2001 season when a certain former OL coach was promoted to OC. Whether you agree with that or not, there's really no argument that the wheels were coming off by 2012. A decade-overdue change at OC was too little, too late, and the rest is history. So yeah, CJF inherited a hell of a rebuild, even though CFB left him some good pieces to work with.

DBU is a distant memory.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."

Agreed completely. As much as I loved Frank, I would get strange looks my senior year in 2010 when I said it was probably time for Frank to hang it up. I think he stayed just a few years too many.

I sorta thought that that was implied within my post about problems with the OL arf having to mask that issue by use of dual threat QB (Tyrod).

Problems surfaced late 2000s....weakness at one position. That has slid into *all* positions.

Weakness in offense in the late Beamer years seems to continue (even though some metrics show an upswing) but we have had a HUGE drop in defense in short order.

If this were my business, I would say that its hanging on by a thread.

Yeah I was agreeing with you, I was just vocalizing it because so many folks right now are railing on Fuente. The Hardcore Hokies group on FB for instance has a lot of people calling for his head and implying he has the program headed in the wrong direction. When in fact, he inherited the downward trend and is trying to right the ship.

Wasn't sure where to put this (and this is almost certainly the wrong place) but I started down the rabbit hole on some numbers and thought they were worth sharing.

VT's four scoring drives required 309 yards, an average of of 77.3 yards. Conversely, BC's five scoring drives required 243 yards, an average of 48.6 yards.

77.3 yards is a ridiculously high number considering that's more yards than you'd have to cover if you started a drive after a touchback. We can't afford to have to gain 59% more yards than the opponent on every scoring drive. Part of that is turnovers of course but the special teams, which initially started strong under Shibest, have been very disappointing in recent years. Personally I don't expect to see this many turnovers again (and will be very unhappy if it happens), but we have to find ways to get better much, much better in the field position battle.

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This is that whole "hidden yards" thing.

Great stats, thank you. Way easier to score when you are starting on the other side of mid field.

I feel like we should just let most kickoff go...meaning not try to return them. When was the last huge kickoff return you can remember? We rarely even get it to the 25 and several of the kicks taken in the corner might even roll out of bounds. I feel that there is probably some stats somewhere.....

Honest question, not trying to be Debbie Downer, because I am not judging this season by the first game results. But given the trajectory of the Fuente era thus far, do you think we're at risk of becoming Tennessee? National Championship in 1998, then very little outside of a few division titles for ten years, then NOTHING for the next ten. Looking at their coaching carousel and very poor results, I can certainly see us enter that purgatory if nothing changes soon. Thoughts?


Right, because people still care about Tennessee. No one gives a shit about a mediocre VT.

Well, I still give a shit about VT. I even give 2 shits about VT. I almost give all my shits about VT. If you don't, that's cool. You do you.

I still remember the dark days before the bowl run started. I still remember the years where everyone thought we were going to win it all, only to have WTF records.

The reason folks in Tennessee care about UT-K even when they suck is because they are in TENNESSEE. It's about as bad as being in West Virginia.

You do. VT fans do. But no one else does. That's what makes UT and VT different. Both can be mediocre to terrible but the country will still talk about UT. Now, whether that is a good thing or bad thing is up to you.

You knew I meant other fans. Don't make this a "good hokie fan" morality thing.

I'm not making it a "good hokie fan" morality thing. I don't really care if the rest of the country still talks about VT. What I do care about is supporting our team and wanting things done the right way so we don't end up like Ole Miss. I really don't give a shit if somebody in BFE talks about us. (Unless they're a 5* RB, DE, or DT, of course. /s)

Would I like for us to win more? Yep. But I also care more about the student-athletes who do more damage to their bodies than most of the fans will ever experience in a lifetime. I care that we support them, and provide them all of the opportunities they deserve in exchange for what they do while wearing the orange and maroon. If the players decide they don't want to be here, then that's their choice. However, I do not support players who would try to destroy the opportunities for other players.

I also care that we support the coaches. If changes need to be made, there are actual people who get paid money to make those decisions. I have to trust that the coaches and AD staff look out for the players.

Am I personally validated by whether or not we win a football game? Nope. My self-worth, and hopefully all of Hokie Nation's, should not depend on the actions of 17-23 year olds playing a game. (Even if your kid plays a sport for VT.)

Tennessee had Lane Kiffin leave after one season and then made the insanely awful decision to hire Derek Dooley, who had gone 17-20 at Louisiana Tech. Then Tennessee hired Butch Jones, who recruited some extremely talented players but couldn't coach or manage his team for shit (prime example being Alvin Kamara barely getting player time in college yet being a superstar in the NFL).

Anyway, Fuente is without any doubt a better coach than Dooley and he's very different from Jones as well. However, it is possible Fuente could take us along a similar path to Jones where it feels like the pieces should be there but we just can't put everything together.

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Look VT Football is going to really far behind if Fuente does not get things turned around quickly..don't know who/how to compare it to, but it certainly wouldnt be pretty.

From a coaching comparison, I think the contemporary example that Fuente compares to best so far is Fedora at UNC. One great season, surrounded by mostly mediocrity, ultimately coming completely unglued the final 2 seasons. Hopefully things don't reach that point with Fuente, but the team needs to have a strong season on the field and a much more stable offseason than the past two or 2020 could be the year the wheels fall off.

Me seeing you compare Fuente to Fedora...

Look at their Records at UNC and VT and tell me how to differentiate them...

They both in their best seasons lost a close-fought ACCCG to Clemson, hell even the scores were near-identical.

Look at their Records at UNC and VT and tell me how to differentiate them...

Coach A - 45-43 overall, .511 winning %
Coach B - 25-16 overall, .610 winning %

Which one of those is better?

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Take out the last 2 years of Fedora's tenure.

Coach A is 40-25 (.625) over 5 years in ACC...

Looks pretty damn even to me, at best.

And there wasn't reason to fire Fedora prior to him putting together two consecutive 9 loss seasons well into his tenure. For all the talk of last year being a scorched earth disaster, it was still objectively much better than either of Fedora's two worst seasons.

Saying that there is no difference between Fuente and Fedora is essentially the negative version of the comparisons of Fuente to Dabo. It's pure conjecture when the direction of the program in the next two seasons is critically important to make that judgment. If you don't have any faith in Fuente at this point, then there are plenty of others happy to stoke the flames of that narrative at this point. Personally I don't think it's a valid comparison unless VT wins less than 7 games this year.

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Fedora is actually the perfect comp for what we DON'T want to happen to Fuente.

He started great and then somehow it just crumbled. The recent mediocrity on the field and the disastrous off-the-field events the last 18 months at VT are certainly at least a cause for concern.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Yes! That was exactly the point.

Fuente still has a chance to not go down like Fedora, but I think real, significant changes need to be made for there to be a turnaround. That includes a significant re-evaluation of the Offensive scheme.

Tennessee still recruits top 20. The talent is there, but the coaching and the Athletic department are the issue. If we recruited like they did over the last 5 to 10 years, we would be in far better shape at this point.

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Great question.

After this last weekend, I've been talking to other college ball fans and I've been using this exact comparison - we're in year 4, at this point even Penn State was back to being competitive, and where are we?

We might, we just might be on the Tennessee trajectory.

We'll know in a couple weeks, won't we. BC at Chestnut Hill always seems to give us trouble. We still came close to tying and potentially winning the game with 5 turnovers. They had a super short field for two of their touchdowns. It's Georgia at the Chik-fil-a bowl level of turning over the ball giving them 10-15 yards to score.

We now have ODU and Furman at home...hopefully the team can correct the issues they had in the first game, steamroll lesser competition, and carry that through the rest of the year. Let's give them the chance before lighting them up and saying they might be Tennessee levels of downward slide...