December DC Replacement Thread (Part II)

Signs are pointing to Odom, but an announcement has not yet been made.

I ripped the code from bar1990 to start a new thread. Sorry if I'm stepping on anyone's toes, feel free to delete, but that was getting out of control.

Edit: Justin Hamilton has been named..

Name Current/Last Team & Role Connection to VT 2019 Salary (Unless otherwise noted)
Justin Hamilton Current VT Safety's Coach Alum, Current Coach N/A (Can't find)
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bcschewe to the original DC replacement thread:


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“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

Keith Lee is a fucking beast!

Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

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Hopefully, part III will be the announcement of the new DC.

“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

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So we are going to go ahead an make this a complete gif thread to make it worse than the other one right?

Damn y'all really do hate dc, don't ya

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On the contrary, the 2nd thread discussing his replacement

If anything this level of interest shows the love TKP harbors for its resident DC.

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So what I'm hearing is you're Downton F*ck?

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I thought it was the gal from The Deuce.

She looks qualified to be a DC for us

She's just qualified.

If he says this everyday, he'll eventually be right and look like a genius.

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Don't worry....he updated. Sunday presser now

A+ reference. Also v proud of us that this image didn't spark a jihad.

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Is it basketball season yet?

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Unless I missed something, I would think Ryan Walters would be on that list.

What is this?

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This isn't really surprising. It's what more than a few people have ventured over the last week - probably because it's completely logical and makes the most sense.

Norvell likely the FSU choice, probably announced early next week? Impacts Odom big time.

In what way? Does Odom hold out until all HC jobs are filled or does it make him more likely to commit to a job as our next DC? I am really warming up to him being the DC, even if I love me some Torrian Gray.

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Odom would be a front runner to replace Norvell

Yes and no, Memphis likes him, but they have options that don't require Odom. Right now, just like other smaller schools, they are trying to keep Norvell.

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I sure hope we at least made an honest attempt for TG. Seems if it was going to be TG, the announcement would have been made by now though.

Besides him being a VT football alum what has he done in his career to be the DC of a P5 team, one my most measures is at worst a top 30 job.

Edit: I like TG, like to see him back at Tech. It if his name wasn't TG people would be upset a position coach was our next DC.

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And he's coached for 20 years but only coached DB's. Maybe he doesn't want to be a DC (not everyone actually wants to run the show) or he's picky.

He knows Bud's system, he's an alumni, he has a distinguished track record as a defensive back coach, and he's worked under legendary defensive coordinators. If we wanted to keep our system, he was the most qualified guy out there that we could hire. Why are we moving the goal posts?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He isn't wrong though. TG may or may not make a great defensive coordinator. I don't necessarily think we need to make a hire with prior coordinator experience either, but I also know I am in no place to be critical of who is selected.

Bud's scheme will change at some point anyway. The key in my opinion is make a hire who runs a scheme that makes the transition make sense from a personnel standpoint so we are not starting from scratch.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

TG may or may not make a great defensive coordinator

This applies to anyone we hire. Even Barry Odom.

I don't necessarily think we need to make a hire with prior coordinator experience either

I agree.

The key in my opinion is make a hire who runs a scheme that makes the transition make sense from a personnel standpoint so we are not starting from scratch.

I agree. My main point is that Torian Gray is as probably as qualified as we will get other than Odom. We are only in contention for Odom because he and Fuente have a strong connection and he is suddenly jobless.

My point is also that we are only in a position to hire a P5 position coach, G5 defensive coordinator, or a fired coach. There is going to be a flaw somewhere.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

My main point is that Torian Gray is as probably as qualified as we will get other than Odom.

I know this is your opinion but I have to disagree here. He has been a coach for 20 years and he has only coached one position group. For a potential coordinator hire, if the candidate has not already been a DC, I would at least like to see a diversity of position groups coached. Bud Foster had coached OLB, LB, ST, ILB, and LB before he made the step to DC.

EDIT: For clarification I am not trying to spell list all the different linebacker positions to bias my opinion. What I meant is that over the course of 14 years Bud Foster's roles and responsibilities were constantly evolving. I should have just said that CBF had a greater diversity of experience instead of position groups.

If TG was DC material he would have already made that step. I just don't see a guy who has coached the same position group for 20 years being a viable candidate to take over a P5 program who absolutely needs a slam dunk here to keep the momentum going.

Bud Foster had coached OLB, LB, ST, ILB, and LB

You just took one position group and broke them down by specific positions. I could literally do the same thing for Torian Gray and make the same argument lol.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

That's fine if that's what you want to nitpick about. Linebackers are the core of the defense and ILB is very different than OLB in certain schemes, and then being in charge of LB and ST at the same time shows increasing amounts of responsibility were given to him.

Being a DB coach and only a DB coach with no change in roles, no change in responsibilities says that he is either not ambitious or, for the twenty years of coaching, not a single head coach he has worked with has saw fit to give him more to do than that.

This is not to say TG is not an excellent DB coach--he is, especially in college. But to me, as someone who looks at resumes, TG would not be the most inspiring candidate.

This is the most bizarre gaslighting I have ever seen on this website lol.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Don't you wonder just a little bit why he has not been offered a coordinator job before now? It doesnt necessarily mean anything but if we hired a dude from LSU that had been coaching the same position group the past 20 years, people would go berserk.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Honestly yeah it's a compelling question for sure. But like I said the pool is only so big.

Put it this way:

  • if we hire a G5 DC people will go berserk that we didn't hire someone with P5 experience.
  • If we hire a P5 position coach we'd go berserk because we didn't hire someone with DC experience

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Third option:

If we hire a former HC with no ties to Bud people will go berserk because he'll change the system and we won't be as good as we could be in 2020

Realistic option:

If we hire a former HC with no ties to Bud people will go berserk because he'll change the system and we won't be as good as we could be in 2020 we won't be as good as they convinced themselves we were going to be no matter what other factors may exist

That is pretty much the point I'm getting at. People will hate whatever decision Whit makes, because whoever he is he won't be as good in their minds as Bud was in his prime. And regardless of who it is, people will constantly compare his defenses to Bud's best defenses, at least for a few years, so be prepared for a lot more grumbling about the defense over the next few seasons.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Don't you wonder just a little bit why he has not been offered a coordinator job before now?

I don't think that's a fair question to ask in any interview. Maybe opportunities in the regions he's interested in didn't come up. Maybe he wasn't interested in becoming a DC at a G5 school. There's a plethora of possible reasons.

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*shrug* not trying to make it that way. Just don't understand the love for TG beyond the fact that he coached with Bud so long and is an alumni. He is one of the least convincing candidates to me based on his resume. If he gets hired then I would love to see my opinion be wrong.

Your argument is just bizarre. You said Bud coached a diverse group of positions when it was really only two positions and special teams. The same logic can be applied to TG. You can say he coached field corner, boundary corner, free safety, and rover. Then you said he was given a lot of responsibility because he was trusted with special teams for two seasons in 1993 and 1994.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Yeah i went back and added an edit to my first comment to clarify. My thoughts didn't come out clearly but what I meant is that Bud took over DC with a more diverse resume. Bud Foster was just a GA at Murray St. Then it was OLB coach, then full LB coach and ST coach at Murray St. Then he came to VT as an ILB coach, took over LB fully as well as ST, then went to DC.

My point I was trying to make is that he gained responsibility and experience at a lesser program. Then got hired at a better program and gained responsibility and evolved until he became DC. I wasn't trying to list every LB position to make my argument valid.

Conversely if you look at TG, its the same thing every where he has been: DB. He's good at that, really good. I make no arguments there. But your original point was: "Outside of Odom he is the most qualified." Frankly, I find that statement bizarre and that is why I was interested in replying.

The irony of this argument from a VT fan is pretty striking. He spent half of his coaching career with Bud and VT, showing loyalty and devotion to Frank, Bud, and his alma mater. And now, because he was loyal and devoted, to the benefit of VT fans, he's now being criticized for a lack of position coaching diversity due to his loyalty and devotion to VT.

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The irony of this argument from a VT fan is pretty striking.

I want the best coach, full stop. If he wore maroon and orange as a player and coach before--then that is even more awesome. But our AD and head coach will not put on orange and maroon tinted glasses when they make this hire...

he's now being criticized for a lack of position coaching diversity due to his loyalty and devotion to VT.

This is a huge reach, unless you know the guy personally. He has had the same position at 6 different programs. If anything it would seem he has self-awareness that DBs are his passion and that is where he wants to stay. Good on him! I am not criticizing him at all, I am just stating the facts: his resume is not very inspiring.

Like I have said twice, I trust Whit to make the right decision and if that is TG then I am excited to have a Hokie at the head of the defense. Let's not forget CBF was not a Hokie to start with and he turned out just fine...

a hefty salary should take care of the loyalty issues, Hokie or not. Best person available- we need to win again

Part of vtae13's argument is very relevant - while they may have both only coached one main position prior to moving to DC, Bud made that jump in 10 years, TG is on year 20 in the same position. If TG's ambition is to be a DC, it is interesting that he hasn't diversified his coaching positions more in 20 years or already made the jump.

To be clear, I am not opposed to TG being our DC, but vtae13 raises an interesting point to me.

You are right and this speaks to something else I have been trying to make a point about. A resume is all we have as fans to compare these guys. However, I can tell you as a manager, I do not always hire the best resume, maybe only half the time. A resume can be misleading for good or bad sometimes. At the end of the day, as a fan, I will wait to judge this hire after he has coached at VT for a few games.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Just don't understand the love for TG beyond the fact that he coached with Bud so long and is an alumni. He is one of the least convincing candidates to me based on his resume.

He's been mentored by an all-time great DC, and one of the top 10 DC's in the country. He's coached a ton of NFL picks. He's left every job on his own terms (ie, hasn't been fired), and has probably had a top 10 secondary in the country at least a third of the seasons he's coached (possibly more). He's been on staff for at least 5 teams that have won a conference title, and probably around 10 teams that have won the division.

I get that there is uncertainty around that hire, but I also think there's a lot that suggests that TG is a pretty savvy football mind.

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Agree on all points...but my point still remains--20 years in the same position. He has worked with some top DC's and HC's. My opinion is that he either doesn't want to be a DC--he knows what he is good at and he doesn't want to change it, or those top DC's and HC's don't evaluate him past being a DB coach.

I'd rather take an up and comer with DC experience, an experienced P5 DC, or an experienced P5 positional coach who is on an upward trajectory. Bottom line is I think Whit has done a fantastic job so whoever he brings in I will automatically be supporting--even if its TG. As I said I would love to have my assumptions be wrong.

My opinion is that he either doesn't want to be a DC--he knows what he is good at and he doesn't want to change it, or those top DC's and HC's don't evaluate him past being a DB coach.

Or he wants to work at a team contending with for a conference championship, and isn't willing to move to a lesser school?

experienced P5 positional coach who is on an upward trajectory

I don't understand how TG isn't on this trajectory. You're literally saying that if he had 10 years less experience, you'd value him more as a DC.

EDIT to clarify:
When you're making a hire, you are balancing uncertainty with potential upside. I understand that NOT having DC experience increases uncertainty. However, I don't see how more experience limits potential upside or increase uncertainty.

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I don't understand how TG isn't on this trajectory. You're literally saying that if he had 10 years less experience, you'd value him more as a DC.

I never said anything like that. At no program he has coached at has he ever been anything more than a DB coach--and that's fine. His stock was never higher than when he left VT for UF. Instead of making the jump to DC, or Assistant DC, he goes to the NFL as what? A DB coach. It looks to me like the guy knows what he is good at and enjoys it enough that he isn't trying to shake it up.

If you take two examples: Bud Foster and Sean McVay....Bud Foster was at a lesser program as a GA, then OLB, then LB and ST. Then he gets hired by a bigger program as ILB, then OLB, then LB and ST, then DC. Sean McVay goes from assistant TE, to TE, to OC, to HC. Both guys switched programs, increased their responsibilities nearly every year or two.

CBF went from GA to DC in less than 14 years. McVay went from assistant positional coach to HC in 7 years. If we truly have CBF money (aka close to 1 million per year) to pay, candidates who are showing rapid rises should be the ones we consider (as well as those who have DC experience of course). Conversely a coach who has been out there for 20 years only ever as a DB coach doesn't get me that excited.

Has anyone considered that TG doesn't want the job?

Yes, I consider that to be a decent probability.

3 months ago, all i read on these boards was that there was ZERO chance TG would come back because Fuente had burned that bridge by giving him a pay cut when he took over. My how times have changed.

Are you suggesting we're all just speculating and don't really know what's going on?

Exactly

FWIW Gray didn't leave because of $ He left because he wanted a change of scenery, and no small part of that was he and Bud Foster were not seeing eye-to-eye on certain things for at least a couple seasons. (i.e. since prior to Fuente's arrival)

Not really, because he would come back home for the right $$$$$. Not saying that's all that motivates him, but double his salary, give him a huge promotion to DC, and you wouldn't have to twist his arm to come coach his alma mater. Plus, if TG wants to be a head coach one day, DC is a much better path than CB coach. I think he would come home in a heartbeat.

Does he want to be a head coach? In 20 season he's only ever coached DB's.

Without talking to him of course, I would imagine so, yes. Don't all coaches aspire to be at the top of their profession? If not, why work 16 hours a day, spend endless hours recruiting, etc? It's a hard, hard job to be a college assistant coach.

No. Just like non-football civilians, not all coaches aspire to the additional headaches and expectations that come with each step up the ladder (even with - or perhaps because of - the accompanying salary increase).

Don't all coaches aspire to be at the top of their profession?

think it depends on how they define their profession. we are having a conversation about replacing Bud Foster, after all. Could have been a HC, didn't want it enough. I think we see the same with Venables.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Sometimes I wonder about that. He did interview a number of times for HC positions, so it's fairly clear that it was a goal of his, but he knew he had a good gig in Blacksburg and didn't want to leave it for an unstable situation.

Well, he had the right money in the past and it was cut by the coach that we still have now. Maybe he is much more comfortable being in FL where he can trust his boss and is home.

It if his name wasn't TG people would be upset a position coach was our next DC.

I think people would be satisfied with one of Clemson's position coaches too. TG can coach, he can croot (hopefully he remembers to talk to the moms these days), and he's been a part of multiple top tier defenses at two different schools now. His scheme should be similar to Foster's. The only question is if he can can plays and make adjustments.

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The only question is if he can can plays and make adjustments.

I would say that would carry about 80% of the priority on my pie chart of who to select as a coordinator. That isn't to say TG can't do it though.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I honestly wouldn't be happy with a position coach from Clemson as our DC. Most of them are relatively new to P5 coaching and none have any broad experience.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Kind of agree with this. Is he that much more qualified than jham? I mean if you're looking for an up and coming position coach whose is a Vt alum why wouldn't Fuente just go with Jham. He's already worked under Fuente.

TG has far more coaching experience than JHam. Maybe he isn't the right choice, but I would select TG over JHam by a lot at this point in time due to experience. I probably chose the wrong word as I should have said I hope we have honest consideration of TG, not necessarily that we should have pursued him.
In most careers, people tend to hit their stride in being most effective in the early 40s when they've had 20 years experience. Whilst there are certainly exceptions, I don't know why that general rule wouldn't apply to coaching.

Kind of agree with this. Is he that much more qualified than jham?

Resume A
Maine DB coach - 1 yr
U Conn DB coach - 1 yr
Chicago Bears DB coach
Washington Redskins DB coach - 2 yrs
VT DB Coach - 9 yrs
Florida DB coach - 2 yrs
Coached 15+ NFL DBs

Resume B
UVA-Wise - 3 yr
VMI OLB coach - 4 yrs
VT S coach - 1 yr

UVA-Wise *Asst Coach* and **DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR** FTFY

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

I love TG and have said I am ok if he is hired, but honestly all that comparison tells me is that TG is extremely qualified to coach defensive backs.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

It's not intended to be a shot at JHam, but I'd venture to assume you pick up quite a bit re: how to run a defense playing and working under Foster for 10+ years, working in the SEC, and in the NFL, than you would after year or two as a DC at UVA-Wise ‾\_(ツ)_/‾

I have no idea either. But I do know that most aspiring stars in any profession don't waste much time climbing the ladder. That isn't validation for JHam but it could be an explanation.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Would whit and Fuente wait around for that? There's no way they just sit there hoping he picks VT. Other candidates are going to get snatched up. Make the decision or move on.

I'm sure we are interviewing multiple candidates as well as we've known of Bud's departure all season long. If Odom is our pick i'm sure we said something to the effect of "If you want the job it's yours, but we need an answer by X date."

Your point is spot on in that how long do we wait while our number 2 choice is looking at other opportunities and trying to make decisions etc.

Plus I think that going back to being a DC at a school known for it's defense to build your stock back up will help him get a better HC job in the future. You keep the LPD playing at a high level for 3-4 years and you can probably be more selective in the school you want to go HC. just my opinion though.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

To me this means every off season is another chance for him to jump ship - not sure how I feel about that versus someone else more bought in

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I wouldn't be surprised to see another fan favorite receive a more prestigious title as he is groomed for that very situation.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I think that's how it's gonna be from now on. I don't see us getting a DC for more than maybe 4 years as going forward.

Maybe I'm wrong and someone becomes the next Foster and we are dominating the ACC with Clemson. Years of Clemson and VT battling it out for a spot in the playoff. I could live with that.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

That's college football. We've been living in a bubble for the last 25+ years in regards to the coaching carousel. We better hope that whoever we hire is successful enough to be a candidate for a step up in a few years

Another reason to appreciate Beamer. Not that he's unappreciated now, but as the years go by I think people will have a deeper realization of how remarkable his run was.

If that's the case then that means we will have lost the bowl streak fairly soon and never will have reattained the heights we reached under Beamer.

In this instance, I'm referring only to the stability of the coaching staff. We should get used to coaching staff turnover, like the rest of the college football world.

I gotcha now. It's remarkable that we had one coach stick around for almost 30 years, this is true, and we likely won't have another coach stick around even half that long. We got pretty fortunate that that random guy from Fancy Gap turned out to be such a great coach.

If you're concerned about employees making you look good and being recognized/rewarded for their success, you're the problem not them.

I am hearing the same exact thing in my circles. Earlier today everyone was psyched because contract was in hand and both sides wanted it to happen, but now it has cooled off due to Odom's potential job offers. We are going to have to move on something soon though

So do they give him a time limit or what? We can't just sit in limbo while we wait to see how everything shakes out for him.

Also, if this is the case, sounds like even if we land him, we might be looking for a new DC in a year or two (I'm not saying this is a reason not to hire him, I know we're not getting another 30+ year, or even 5 year coordinator, just setting expectations)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

How reliable is this guy? Him piggybacking off his "done deal" tweet makes me wonder how legitimate either of these tweets are.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

This fucking guy.....

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I'm going to do one better. I'm being told by my sauces, CJF, Whit and Jesus that we will announce a new DC on or before September 5th 2020

But, to be fair BAG posted a gif on twitter suggesting we would go into the weekend on high.

Is it actually confirmed that's BAG? The word stolen is in his icon, and I don't remember that.

It is absolutely not confirmed and the account has not accurately predicted anything significant. It is based on an approach of being intentionally vague (per the accounts description) - with that approach you can go a long way in saying "he's never been outright wrong."

Either way, if he proves his inside knowledge with an accurate leak beyond what people are already saying in forums, I'll trust it. Until then I will have a healthy level of skepticism. But anybody is free to believe or not as they wish.

I have no clue. Guy just posts gif that seem to give vague clues about recruiting and other Tech matters in the way BAG (RIP) use to give vague comments here.
Edit: beaten by 10 seconds. But the other answer is more complete. However, at Christmas time, I want to believe.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Good thing someone was around to alert everyone that this guy is a phony and his insights aren't worth the time of day.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I respect the hustle of getting ahead of a second bunk prediction beforehand.

Really hoping for a Saturday announcement right now.

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GLENN SCHUMANN PLEASE

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Cornelson? No one stops the run like he does!

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Happen to have any names on that 'aim higher' menu we can peruse through?

@Bar - if we're going that route, then I raise you a Willie Taggart.

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Wow, I can't believe we're getting Venables

No announcement today because we have to wait for Venables to coach in the ACC championship game.
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Well played.

If you play it, they will win.

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Higher than UGA Co-defensive coordinator? Dan Lanning, the current DC at UGA? Kirby Smart?
Todd Grantham, the current DC at UF?
Or maybe 'higher' means 'more northern'? Gene Chizik, current DC of UNC?
Bud Foster?
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Does Jesus know when to send a corner blitz?

are they comfortable waiting because they have jham in their back pocket?

This is kind of sad but probably somewhat true. We always have JHam or even Wiles/JHam combo as absolute worst case scenarios

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

Justin Hamilton is not going be the next DC. Under any any circumstance.

Aged like fine wine

They ask you how you are and you just have to say that you're fine when you're not really fine.

Aged like whole milk

Aged like unpasteurized whole milk.

you were saying?😁

Is it just me or has this year's carousel become one large Mexican standoff?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I found myself this morning googling FSU rumors, Memphis rumors, Chad Morris rumors, college football rumors, etc. Not only do we have to consider our own search, we have to stay on top of other searches as well. What a time to be alive.
FWIW, FSU's SB Nation site Is saying that they're closing in on Norvell. Start the dominoes. Maybe.

Ah, how the mighty have been reduced to hiring an upstart G5 HC.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Wait, I thought FSU was going with Deion Sanders??

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I can report that Virginia Tech may or may not have a defensive coordinator next season.

I can also confirm this is the most accurate reporting in this thread.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

My TKPCbux paying off in spades once again.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

That juicy little nugget was free

"I am probably too rational to be here"

My sauces are indicating the same.

+1 for Amber!

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I don't think we are at a lot of risk here. Following the dominoes:

1. FSU is close to naming a coach. If it's Norvell, it will be after his game this weekend.
2. If it's Norvell, Memphis will interview Odom where he would be the leader in the clubhouse.
3. If it's Odom at Memphis, we would hire Walters as DC. He did a nice job at Mizzou and would bring Odom's system with him. Walters would pick VT DC over Memphis DC if both were on the table.

Walters seems to have been high on the list before Odom became available.

I would assume Memphis would go with another offensive guy, that's worked well for them. But, I assume they at least promised him an interview if Norvell leaves...otherwise, I think he would've been announced at VT already.

Bud's mom passing away may have had an impact on announcement timing.

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Why?

maybe cuz Hokies Respect?

I think it could be seen in poor taste if news breaks that Foster's mother passed and hours later VT announces his replacement as DC.

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It isn't like they are firing Bud after his mother died. He announced he is retiring and the program needs a new DC. This is a short timeline and you don't want to miss out on candidates.

If we're scheduled to make an announcement Wednesday/Thursday, wouldn't that lead you to believe the deal is done? If we're at the announcement stage shouldn't the candidate we're announcing already locked up?

What's the harm in waiting an extra day?

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I think everyone is overreacting to there not being an announcement yet. There's lots of moving parts to these things. Press conferences are usually a few days off anyway. Everyone needs to relax.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Where has it said that we were definitely making an announcement? All I have seen is random people on Twitter saying that a PC is coming, but who knows if they're right or throwing stuff hoping something will sick. None of the sports writers like Andy Bitter are tweeting anything about a PC.

We're talking about the announcement date, not the date the new DC is hired.

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I think that's way overthinking it.

Someone suggested it as a potential reason for delay, so if it were to be true and it was the reason, I don't think it is too far fetched to think they might not want to release statements like that back to back.

I'm not saying it is true/the reason, just answering the question as why it might be.

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I don't buy that.

It can't be Walters. His name isn't on the list above.

I have no sauces or any idea what's going on. However I hope they wait a few more days just so a third thread may be started with entertaining gifs. Sure has made my Friday work day less boring!

Its cute you think it will take us a couple of days to get to a third thread.

BREAKING NEWS! JUSTIN FUENTE HELD PRESS CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS REPLACING DC.

“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

Bravo. This is really good.

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“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

Lmao. God damn

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how much money would I have to donate for them to get this over with?

I've heard when you join the Key Players Club it speeds up the process: JOIN NOW

TKP is where you speculate. You have to donate to the Hokie Club in order to pay for a new coach.

If you're asking us this question here instead of calling Whit on his personal cell, smart money is on "more than you can afford".

I'll crowd source it

Whatever you do, don't give the Hokie Club eleven hundred bucks because that only results in disappointment.

I dunno.

We're not playing ECU any more.

That's not nothing.

You're not wrong, but that payment happened after the series was cancelled.

Sure, but if you're going to go there, there wasn't any causal relationship, and was never going to be.

You donated to a good cause, and proved you're a man of your word. Coincidentally, we aren't playing ECU any more. It's all good stuff.

Sometimes with all this speculation and secret sauces it makes me think nobody really knows who the new DC is going to be. And that may even include Fuente.

I'm going to throw a late contender on the table ... John Tenuta, he's already watching our games.

Hmmm could set up Odom to Memphis

just saw on ABC that it's official for Norvell to FSU

After all the hype at the beginning of the week it feels like things have cooled significantly

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Uh oh

Recruit Prosim

Looks like Odom out as Bud's replacement as he is top candidate to replace Norvell at Memphis. I thought for sure Memphis was going to hire an offensive minded coach. Disappointed in this development as Odom would have been a good hire to replace Bud.

Sauces?

Sports Illustrated

Is Labar legit? Don't know much about him.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

I mean, it's a link to an SI article.

Edit: Nevermind, it's just this guy editorializing. No idea if he's actually legit.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

If it's anything like the Helton is gonna be fired SI guy, we'll be announcing Odom as DC in 2 days

It peeked my interest so I went ahead and found a Memphis message board. Seems like they don't want Odom, and think this report is "not what their local guys are reporting."

So who knows.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

*piqued

But hopefully the "local guys" are right. I'm wondering if he was holding out in case the job opened, assuming he'd be a top candidate, but in any case we should still probably know something within a few days.

Sean Labar was a beat writer for the Virginian-Pilot back in 2016ish

I preferred Andy Bitter's articles (and rightfully so)

Let's Go

HOKIES

Just a heads up, Sports Illustrated got bought out and many of their journalists replaced by "contributors" similar to what Fortune uses. Take anything from them with a grain of salt

You beat me to the punch.

So ...hard to see Odom not going to Memhis.....so what now.?........we back to Torrian as best candidate?

Odom would be a slam dunk hire on paper. He clearly is at the point in his career he wants to be a HC. I'd say at this point it's time to walk away. Next off season it's going to be the same thing. Eventually that will lead to a down turn of the defense and affect recruiting if we we keep churning and burning DC's. I mean he has 2 recruits taking an OV to Tech for 2020 only because he was rumored to be coming here.

Maybe. But I still think Memphis would prefer going with an offensive guy. Odom is getting interviewed because he worked there before. If he hadn't worked there previously, he wouldn't even be getting an interview. Plus, if he does end up at VT, it's not a given he leaves soon, because it has been very hard for defensive coaches to get head coaching positions.