OT: Toledo left out from Bowl games

Toledo is 6-6, but there were 79 bowl eligible teams for 78 bowl spots. They drew the short straw.

I think the NCAA should allow Toledo to have the extra practices regardless. I know they wont because #LOLNCAA but if I were in charge, any team that gets to bowl eligibility should be allowed the extra practices regardless if they are invited to a bowl or not. Toledo is getting punished because they arent as popular as other schools...

At the same time, bowl practices are a rich gets richer prospect anyways so I can see the counter argument I guess. TKP thoughts?

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I'd be on board for allowing bowl eligible schools to get some advantage from doing well. I'm also in the camp that would love to see a massive reduction in number of bowls to increase quality.

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We'll probably end up agreeing to disagree on this, but I dont want to see a bunch of 6-6/7-5 teams left out of bowl season for no other reason other than 'they're not as popular as the other 7-5 team that we picked." If that many teams regularly become eligible, then there should be enough bowl spots for them. I dont find the quality of the higher tier bowls decreased by having numerous lower tiers

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Give everyone the extra practice, but trim the bowls down to maybe 24 teams or so. Make it a reward for the team and fans instead of a money grab.

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But then it becomes a money grab for the 24 teams that get picked by popularity contest?

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It won't be a popularity contest when the top 24 teams go to a bowl.
And that's the reward for a good season. Want to make it to a bowl? Win games.

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That's not how it would happen. The top conferences would get their teams in over lower level conferences in almost every case.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Who says how it would happen? It's not like this so can't say it's one way or another. Take the top 24 teams in the rankings, no matter conference.

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An issue I see with that is people are so used to a 'top 25' ranking (whether is ap poll or CFP rankings) that it would feel super weird to be ranked but not going to a bowl because you're ranked 25th

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NCAA will never shrink the bowls that much. It's all about the $$$ and filling TV time for espn

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That must be it. Because it sure as shit ain't about filling seats. Having a pair of 7-5 G5s play at the Georgia Dome is CLEARLY not about ticket sales. In many cases for these bowls with smaller fan bases, it prob costs more to light and staff the place than they take in revenue.πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Yeah the $$$ for shit bowls are sponsorship money and TV money not ticket sales

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I will never understand why people are offended by having more football to watch in December and January.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

because by just throwing in any crappy bowl eligible team, you could end up with incredibly lopsided games, like, say, Florida vs. LOLUVa or some other such ridiculous nonsense./s

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It's the last of the season so I'll take what I can get. Lol. I'm watching as many bowls as I can. Reasonably.

Not offended by it, but with player safety and it being an amateur sport, along with kids skipping bowl games to protect themselves for the draft, trim it back. Let everyone practice until Dec 15 or whatever, and those not in a bowl game get to go home and spend time with family...maybe even stewing that they aren't in a bowl game.

And there is way too much money spent on bowl games. Some schools lose money on them. It' shouldn't hurt the program. Divide the money among the conference and make the games matter and a true reward. Playing in Boise, or Yankee Stadium, or Detroit is not a reward for a good season. And isn't making the school money.

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Make bowl eligibility be better than 6-6. 8 wins? 9 wins?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Well you're going to hate that they're actually adding 3 new bowls next year.

Well, they practically HAD to.

There are needy teams who won half their games in the regular season.

(Don't get me wrong, I know that helps with bowl streaks...)

I don't like that Libery didn't get left out. Not because of the school, but how is it that you're able to count 2 wins against the same opponent (New Mexico State) towards eligibility?

Wait what...explain? I just looked at their schedule and see NM state twice...how/why did that happen?

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2 Independent teams needed to fill out their schedules

Well, they did for Ohio State too.

I probably should have phrased it as 2 regular season games.

Meh.

If anything, we should have fewer bowl games.

I think the NCAA should allow Toledo to have the extra practices regardless

I agree with this

However, I think the school overall might be happy about this from a budget perspective. Since you have guarantee a number of tickets at a certain price and have to eat the cost for the rest, you end up losing money on the bowl trip (not to mention flying and lodging for like 100+ people). Lower tier schools get hosed for these more than anything while the bowl's "CEO" walks away with a million bucks.

Remember a couple years back when VT was trying to get everyone to buy the $75 tickets from the school when you could get better seats on stubhub for like $25?

I see your point from the budget standpoint. My argument against that would be short term loss, long term gain. The gain being the exposure and extra practices from being in the bowl game. Can one put a price on just the exposure of "we're the only game playing on december 18th" for example. I feel like that would have to count for something, but I do see your point

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I heard its because they got passed on the depth chart.

Yes they should absolutely have the extra practices. For that matter, I would be absolutely ok with all teams regardless of record be capable of having practice.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I mean a few weeks of practicing and preparation in December of 2019 for the 2020 season after being told you didn't get to go to a bowl game isn't going to make for very productive practices. As a student athlete, they're probably not going to be excited about the extra practices unless they were taken to some cool tropical location to practice.

That's a good point. Maybe the rule would allow the team to make up the practices they lost in spring or fall camp?

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From what I read they beat 4 teams that went bowling this year, but struggled at the end of the season losing 3 straight. They also lost to Scot Loeffler.

That's Bowling Green, not Toledo.
Edit: misread the original comment.

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Toledo lost to the Scot Loeffler coached Bowling Green Falcons 20-7 this year.

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I think Toledo should say F%ck You to the NCAA and declare themselves National Champs, like UCF did recently and Bama did way back when.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

The difference is, UCF was actually named the national champions by one of the NCAA's "official selectors". Seriously, the NCAA officially recognizes both them and Bama as official champions that year.

Winning all your games helps with that.

Make the bowl eligibility criteria 7 wins. Then either fewer bowls or the bowls get choice of the ineligible teams based on typical practices like whatever that academic standard is for 6-6 teams.

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I would be a proponent of allowing Toledo to offer a game to be played at their home stadium against a team that did not become bowl eligible, though preferably one that is relatively local and had a good APR score.

I would also be a proponent of the idea that ALL THE TEAMS THAT DIDN'T MAKE A BOWL SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND AN OPPONENT AND PLAY A GAME.

It would be great to allow scheduled games but the problem would be that those games would probably make the teams more money than the lower tier bowls. While we are talking about it though, I would love it if teams could play each other for their spring games. It could stay in scrimmage format even. But it would be great. Maybe make those in state FCS matchups be scrimmages in the spring instead.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

The "FCS game as spring game" argument has been going around for a few years, but if that happens then the FCS teams will need more time to get physically prepared for them. Not sure how that'll work out.

Also, many of the FCS programs rely on those paychecks to help keep their athletic departments afloat. No way do they demand similar paychecks for a spring game.

I'd love it if our spring game was televised.

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I would also be a proponent of the idea that ALL THE TEAMS THAT DIDN'T MAKE A BOWL SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND AN OPPONENT AND PLAY A GAME.

Just opening up yet another can of worms. Bowls need to be set up before the season starts.

What if you're bowl eligible, but just prefer to pick an opponent and play at home? What if two bowl eligible teams just want to play each other at their own stadium? Suddenly, you've introduced the wild west.

There is always going to be someone trying to exploit whatever structure you attempt to set up. Better to keep it simple.

If you want to play in a bowl, win more games.

are FCS playoff games set before the season starts? Are NIT basketball games set before the season starts? Nope. And those are home games for the higher seed, right? Surely we can figure out a way to make this happen. I love the solution of culling bowls to where only profitable ones (for the schools) are left and then letting the other schools practice and have their own exhibition game of sorts.

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Yes, those games are all set in terms of numbers. Participants earn their spots. Just like with bowls, just like with playoffs in the BCS.

Personally I think every team should have another game. Make neutral site destination awesomeness more limited and the rest get an out of conference game based on record and location and coin flip to see who hosts the game. 1) more football 2) more snow games 3) not breaking the budget. Win for all.

I don't feel so sorry for them, quite frankly. Win more games next year. It's not like they were 9-2 and got snubbed, like we did in 1982.

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You know who I feel even less sorry for (if that is possible), Southern miss last year ducked us for the 12th game and they were 6-5. Had they won against us they would have guaranteed themselves a bowl, but they didnt even try and they stayed home.