OT: NBA Trade Deadline - Who will Anthony Davis not be traded to?

I figure I can start this up for anyone who wants to discuss the trades made before the 3pm deadline this afternoon, of which there have already been a few big ones. But of course all anyone seems to care about right now...

Will LeBron get his way and strong arm New Orleans into trading Anthony Davis to the Lakers? Current rumors are that the Pelicans have no intention of trading Davis to LA at any point, and just used this to pretty much obliterate the chemistry within the Lakers' lockerroom for revenge on the supposed 'tampering' that went on with Davis originally. Given the 42 point blowout on Tuesday night, that actually might have worked.

Anyway, feel free to discuss. Of course, you're free to talk about the Wizards if you want, but.... well, given what has happened with John Wall recently, maybe you just don't want to.

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LOVE LOVE LOVE that the Wizards got rid of Otto and his contract. Especially when they got back two expiring contracts AND a 2nd round pick.

When we/Wizards fan all thought Ernie got his head out of his ass, then he traded Markieff Morris AND A 2ND ROUND PICK for Wesley Johnson. Markieff was already going to be a FA at the end of this year. That's pretty much throwing away a 2nd round pick for nothing. The difference in salaries was only 2.5m.

Now PLEASE trade Beal! No need to keep him in his prime if we are going to suck for next 3-4 years. Might as well trade him now and get assets/picks in return while he's in his prime. He has a very reasonable contract (2 years left after this year at 23m/season) for his talents.

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EG got himself another year by getting under the luxury tax... nothing else matters until he is gone

There's nothing worth discussing while EG is in DC.

That being said, Ted is low-key one of the worst NBA owners and the delta between his success as a Caps owner and his failure as a Wizards owner boggles the mind.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Ted is really hard to understand. Even with the Caps winning last year, everybody was on his ass for the longest time for his loyalty George McPhee. I still have nightmares of the Filip Forsberg trade.

Finally he got away from his stubborness after being wayyy overdue, fired McPhee and hired GMBM.

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from what i've read, leonsis basically views the NBA playoffs as the NHL playoffs where in if you get in you have a legitimate chance to make a run to the conference finals...that could not be further from the truth, as games between the wiz and bucks have shown this year and is an asinine view at best. furthermore, leonsis uses the caps as an example as to why fans need to be patient, but success only came after he fired the incompetent gm.

im not sure what having cap space will do, last time we had cap space we ended up ian mahinmi and andrew fucking nicholson. only way to build for them is through the draft but they clearly don't see it that way

basically views the NBA playoffs as the NHL playoffs where in if you get in you have a legitimate chance to make a run to the conference finals

How someone could think that about the NBA is beyond me.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

being under the tax obviously has financial benefits for the franchise. having cap space has benefits beyond free agency, most notably being able to add salary in trades.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

yes it does, but those benefits are negated by grunfeld

A) We don't speak of that trade

B) Agreed, but McPhee did at least build Presidents Cup winning teams, that couldn't get over the hump and his loyalty to GMGM was more understandable than his loyalty to Ted, who is one of the worst GMs in the NBA if not in N. American pro sports

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

And then he immediately doesn't retain Barry Trotz (and I was hearing for months that Reirden sp? was going to be the coach this season no matter what Trotz did.) If I remember correctly, this was the first time a team didn't retain a Cup winning head coach since Mike Keenan breeched his contract with the Rangers after the 1994 Cup run.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Trotz wanted too much term/money combo compared to what they were willing to give him. He got upset that the Caps wouldn't match, took his puck and went home.

Reirden was being groomed to be the head coach within the next season or two, but Trotz leaving wasn't all on Leonsis.

Caps have been AWFUL since that Preds game around the holidays. Everyone is calling for Reirden's head right now. I'm hoping they can figure out before they fall out of the playoffs. If we do get it together, there's a decent chance we see the Pens in the first round in the 2v3 series.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Unfortunately you are probably right with him being back next year, which outside of Ted, I don't think anybody with a brain can justify.

I just hope missing the playoffs, which is Ted's ultimate goal, will finally make him fire Ernie. Slim to zero chances though.

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leonsis recently said "no excuses" when talking about making the playoffs, but this trade i think sends a different message. the fact grunfeld will get a third rebuild chance is mind blowing

I don't think people realize how bad EG is at drafting...

2018 1 15 Troy Brown Jr. - TBD but rides the pine
2018 2 44 Issuf Sanon - WHO?
2017 Traded 1st pick for Bojan Bogdanovic; good player but lost him to FA to Indy
2016 Traded 1st pick for Markieff Morris; good player but traded away and had to give away 2023 2nd round pick
2015 1 19 Jerian Grant - Nothing
2015 2 49 Aaron White - Nothing
2014 2 46 Jordan Clarkson - Traded away, good player for LAL and Cleveland
2013 1 3 Otto Porter - Average, overpaid, traded away
2013 2 54 Arsalan Kazemi - Nothing
2012 1 3 Bradley Beal - Great player
2012 2 32 Tomáš Satoranský - Probably the ONLY good 2nd round pick by EG
2011 1 6 Jan Veselý - Absolute bust
2011 1 18 Chris Singleton - Bust
2011 2 34 Shelvin Mack - Traded, now decent bench player for other teams
2010 1 1 John Wall - Great player but you better hit when you draft 1st overall
2010 1 30 Lazar Hayward - Nothing
2010 2 35 Nemanja Bjelica - Nothing
2009 2 32 Jermaine Taylor - Nothing
2008 1 18 JaVale McGee - Bust, joke of NBA
2008 2 47 Henry Walker - Nothing
2007 1 16 Nick Young - Average at best, embarrassment
2007 2 47 Dominic McGuire - Nothing
2006 1 18 Oleksiy Pecherov - Bust
2006 2 48 Vladimir Veremeenko - Nothing
2005 1 5 Trade pick to Minnesota for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
2005 2 49 Andray Blatche - Nothing and embarrassment
2004 1 5 Devin Harris - Traded for Antwan Jamison; good trade
2004 2 32 Peter John Ramos - Nothing

This breakdown doesn't include what players they could/should have drafted in years where they didn't get much or anything with their 1st round picks.

I hope this drops Wizards fans' jaws like it did mine.

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Only one I would contest a bit is Javale McGee. He was completely misused by the Wizards because of who else was on the roster at the time and has never been a star (outside of winning the dunk contest the one time) but he has now put together a 10 year NBA career, and is even seeing a renaissance with Lebron in LA, averaging 10.9 PPG and 7 RPG in just over 20 minutes a game for the Lakers. Even for Washington though, when they finally relied on him to be a regular every day player in 2010-11 and 2011-12 before they traded him, he was giving them almost a double double a night, 2010 was 10 points and 8 boards. 2011 was 11 points and 9 boards a game.

Only worst of all is that he also managed to pick up two rings with Golden State before moving to the Lakers. So I can see the never a star but definitely not a bust. I agree with pretty much everything else you listed.

Yea I agree more on your assessment on McGee... I should have said winner of Not Top 10 on Sportscenter almost every night.

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a lot of these are overly reductionist.

e.g., you have Bjelica and Hayward as "nothing", but in reality they were packaged in a trade for Trevor Booker and and Hamady N'Diaye. It's not a world shaking trade, but you can't just go down the list and say "nothing nothing nothing bust nothing" just because you don't recognize what the front office had in mind. Booker was a solid rotational player.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I rushed through this list, so I may have missed some trades like this. Booker was a good rotational player but this list was to show you how incompetent EG is at drafting players, mainly in 1st round, in a big picture. I don't count 2nd round as much because most team's 2nd round picks don't flourish into much.

Other than Wall and Beal, for the most part, his first round selections have been atrocious or he traded the pick away for a player.

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One other note, but isn't Troy Brown back down with the Go-Go right now. I thought I saw him playing the other night when I managed to find a Go-Go game on TV. Unbelievable that Ted and team spent $55Mil on that arena over there. There couldn't have been more than 200 people in the stands and that might be generous.

I do not see them trading Beal at this point. The contract they really needed to find a way to dump is Mahimni, and his $17mil per year. That contract would have been worth giving up the second they got from the Bulls and one of their own seconds.

As is, none of it matters because Ernie. As long as he remains there will continue to be terrible gaffes in the operation of the team.

The one player I hope is untouchable at this point is Thomas Bryant. He is going to be a star in a couple seasons and I don't want another Wizards case of the Oh S ourselves because look what he is doing for these other teams. I already feel that way about Kelly Oubre, since he is averaging about 17 points a game now with Phoenix. Ariza can go but they wont get much in return for him since he is on an expiring contract.

I don't see them trading Beal with how much time is left but if they were smart, they should. Get the best you can because there is no use to having him on the roster. Wizards need to build salary relief and picks, none of which we usually have under Grunsfeld.

I agree Mahinmi needs to go as well. Another one of Ernie's dumbass moves. Didn't get Hortford, got desperate and signed him to that ridiculous 4 year/68 million deal.

I agree as well Bryant should be untouchable. He might be the first diamond in the rough we have found in a long time. Kelly Oubre trade was hard to see but I know why they did it because at the time before Wall's injury/surgury, they had Otto and his salary and didn't think they could sign Oubre but I do wish we kept him and tried to trade away Otto instead at the time.

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Ariza on an expiring is probably worth more than Ariza with another $12m due next year, honestly. A team trading for him would get cap relief and a proven 3-and-D player with lots of playoff experience and a ring.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It was for Wesley Johnson, not Stanley Johnson, and the OPJ trade did not take them under the tax threshold, while the Morris one did. The wizards are going to be terrible for the foreseeable future, so not being in the tax makes financial sense. I would try to trade Beal, and after what the Clippers got for six months of Tobias Harris and his Bird rights would set a high price for Beal. I wouldn't expect that to happen today, because he will be worth more in the summer where there are more teams with cap space and assets than there are max-level free agents/pre-agents to go around.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You are correct, made correction.

2 first round picks for Beal should be the bare MINIMUM for Beal, but they should try and get more than that.

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Best quote of the day...

Washington traded so many guys that at this point, Harry Potter isn't sure HE'S still a wizard.

Leonard. Duh.

Funny but not really even close to true unfortunately. Washington only ended up trading two guys. There were a ton of other teams more active in this trade deadline.

NBA Trade Deadline is one of the best days of the year. Seeing Harrison Barnes get traded during themiddle of the game last night was a sucky feeling. Also, the Hornets and Grizzles trade seems to have fallen through so we may have have seen the end of Conley and Gasol in Memphis.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Curious to see what the Sixers do. Their starting 5 is now very solid going forward, and if they can get both Harris and Butler to sign long term, they are set to contend for a while. Plus, how can you not love the reality of Boban and Embiid's personalities on the same team?

They pretty much just need to pick over the buyout market and they should be set. Plus, once benches shorten in the playoffs, the worry about their depth is kind of negated. They're going to be a real tough out once the playoffs start.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

The Sixers have high-end talent in spades. Starting five of Redick, Harris, Butler, Simmons, and Embiid is ridiculous and should be a stranglehold on defense. They need a buyout market wing. What they gave up to get Harris was a lot, though. That unprotected Miami pick is way more valuable than anything the Lakers are offering for AD. They basically need to resign both Harris and Butler to have any chance of coming out of the east moving forward, because re-signing one and seeing the other one walk will cap them out once Simmons signs his extension. The team is going to get really expensive really quickly as constructed, and Redick is unrestricted this offseason as well.

That said, they are one rolled ankle away from not making the ECF. Teams are going to absolutely abuse their bench players, and even staggering their stars' minutes will give them fits if they have to give legitimate minutes to McConnell or Amir Johnson. They simply do not have the depth to match the Raptors or Celtics. A series with the Bucks would be an incredible watch, though.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Markelle Fultz is gone. Hard not to be disappointed at how his career's played out so far....at least we got Tobias Harris. But we're no closer to Dat Ring.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

That man won't be in the league much longer, or if he is, he'll mostly be a middling PG or bench player for his career. Its amazing how quickly everything went to hell for him, but also shows he's just mentally made of glass.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Yeah but you managed to turn what most of the league considers a broken player right now into two players and two draft picks, one of which is a first rounder from a perennial lottery team.

That is the OKC 1st rounder, top 20 protected

But you're right. Fultz is broken, and he's shown absolutely no interest in trying to make things work, at least not in Philly. Which is curious, because that franchise and that fanbase has been giving him the kids glove treatment every since he got there. Its curious to see ESPN say he just needed to get out of that situation, because I don't know if any other franchise would have been that lenient and flexible over a 1st overall pick who is just flat out refusing to play.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Fun fact, the sixers have now owned that pick from OKC twice. They got it in the Jerami Grant trade, sent it to Orlando on draft night 2017 to move up and select Anžejs Pasečņiks

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The brow for lebron and ball please? Life long laker fan is really loosing his fandom with the last few seasons...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Wow Lakers and Raiders? Do you also like the Cardinals and the Maple Leafs?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Lakers, Raiders and Dodgers. They were all in LA when I was growing up which is where my family is from. It gets worse, half my family is USCw fans and alumi and the other half went to Notre Dame...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

ah, that makes more sense. I thought you just had a thing for franchises with glory days to look back on 😉

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Full disclosure, I'm a Lakers fan. I grew up enjoying watching Kobe and Shaq run the west and was devastated when Shaq left and even more devastated when Kobe got in trouble.

Now that that's out of the way, the fact that we even got to tampering is a product of ESPN's well established bullshit of making their own story. See here.

With that being said, who would honestly want to play for NO anymore?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Woj and Lowe are reporting Mirotic to the Bucks for package built around Stanley Johnson and Jason Smith. Marc Stein also reports four second rounders are headed to NO

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Trade is done. Worst part of this trade if you are a Wizards fan and one more example of how inept Ernie is, Jason Smith and two of the second rounders are courtesy of Ernie being inept at his job. Three quarters of this trade nabbed the top team in the East another huge big, having the season of his career while those same assets got the Wizards a so-so wing player now and a half year of Jared Dudley back in 2016.

Current rumors are that the Pelicans have no intention of trading Davis to LA at any point, and just used this to pretty much obliterate the chemistry within the Lakers' lockerroom for revenge on the supposed 'tampering' that went on with Davis originally. Given the 42 point blowout on Tuesday night, that actually might have worked.

Not an accusation (just an observation), you seem pleased at the potential prospect of this happening (I'll admit, I also found this scenario amusing).

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Any other Heat fans on this website? I thought trading Wayne Ellington and Tyler Johnson for Ryan Anderson was a GREAT trade. Ellington wasn't a great fit for Miami's system. Great shooter but zero slashing ability and a subpar defender. Tyler Johnson's contract was horrible. We basically just absorbed the same contract for Anderson, except he's a 4 who can shoot the lights out. We solved the log jam at guard, got rid of a bad contract, and got a stretch 4 in the process.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

no they all went back to Cleveland and then to LA. /s

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

don't look at anderson's % from 3 this yr and if you think ellington was a bad defender ....

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I haven't looked at Anderson's 3-point percentage this year until now. Yikes.

The Heat will probably play Whiteside or Adebayo alongside Anderson when he is in the game. His defensive capability doesn't worry me as long as he is able to funnel everything to his shotblockers which won't be a problem against non-shooters. Ellington played shooting guard, so everyone he guarded was a shooter.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Anxious to see what Thon Maker does in Detroit. They could have some frontcourt size with Blake, Andre, and now him. After a great playoff series versus the C's last year, this year has been underwhelming.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

probably not much because the pistons are a mess and their ceiling as constructed is first round fodder for one of the eastern contenders

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

A few more notable moves:

  • Raptors get Marc Gasol; Grizzlies get CJ Miles, Delon Wright, Jonas Valanciunas, and a 2024 second.
  • Magic get Markelle Fultz; Sixers get Jonathon Simmons, OKC's protected first (likely to convey as two seconds), and a second
  • Lakers get mike Muscala; Clippers get Ivica Zubac and Michael Beasley
  • Grizzlies get Avery Bradley; Clippers get JaMychal Green and Garrett Temple
  • Clippers waived Marcin Gortat and Milos Teodosic

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Even with his shooting problems, Fultz is still a decent PG prospect. He could develop into a pass first PG with two pick-and-roll/pop bigs in Isaac and Bamba, both of whom can space the floor. Add in maybe a Cam Reddish in the draft and that's a halfway decent team down the road.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Philly still has the same bench problem they had before the trades, and I assume they will add one more player at least through the buyout market.

But there are few teams that can match that starting 5. Brett Brown is going to have to figure out that rotation so at least 2-3 of them are always on the floor together, but thats what coaches get paid to do.

I have to imagine the Sixers intend, and assume, that they can bring Harris and Butler back long term. At the bare minimum, it makes it clear to their rising stars in Embiid and Simmons that there is an organizational commitment to build a contender around them. We've seen what a lack of that does to top end talent like AD, for example.

NO not being strong-armed and sabotaging the lakers this yr and themselves down the road by not giving into Magic and Lebron is awesome.

that is all.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky