What does this group of (potential) transfers have in common?

Kumah, CC, McClease, JJ...

Head coaches, even those that are the most respectful of their predecessors, are almost universally ego maniacs. They've had major success their entire career sticking to their unique philosophy and program. Anything that potentially poses a challenge to that can be seen as a cancer and needs to be eliminated, similar to how white blood cells treat a virus (or whatever the medical terminology is).

Me thinks Fuente saw the product on the field this year and his instinct was to correct it the only way his instinct knew how: get rid of what was associated with the previous regime and was not 100% in line with his philosophy.

Now I'm not saying that he kicked these kids out, but you best believe that some conversations were had and the old "shape up or ship out" was thrown around. I also don't want to give off the idea that these guys were problems, but they were not 100% behind the current staff.

Have to give it to Fu, he took a couple of drastic measures to try and right the ship. He is pushing all his chips to the middle of the table and is betting on his philipsophy. My prediction is that we either take off in 2019 and 2020, or fail dramatically and flame out in a way that VT football has never experienced. Fuente is going die on his own hill, or he will be vindicated for his decisions over the past year.

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Tre Turner will be the true indicator, imo. He's a Fuente recruit. If he up and transfers, I'll believe Fuente has a real problem.

Tre's not leaving

Is it basketball season yet?

You sure?

I feel this is less likely as he would have to sit out a year.

I think all the announced transfers had graduated, so that could be one of the driving factors.

He's been the coach for 3 years though. He won 10 games with Beamers guys.

He won 10 games with Beamer's best guys. Settle, Edmundi, Stro, Facyson, Adonis, Cam, Sam Rogers, etc. were the reason we won those games. Those for LA mentioned didn't help us much in Fu's first two years, besides maybe JJ but you could argue we could have plugged somebody else in and won 9 with the defense we had in 2017.

What do you mean with "Beamers best guys"? Was he supposed to win with "Beamers worst guys"? I would consider "Beamers best guys" to be Mike Vick, Kevin Jones, Jake Grove, Andre Davis, Kam Chancelor, the Fullers, Deangelo Hall, etc...

Pretty clear he means his best guys at the time Fuente took over. It's plainly obvious he's not talking about guys strewn across Beamer's entire career.

I figured that much. I just felt he was saying that these were once in a generation talents and Beamer was lucky to have recruited them. As opposed to the other Beamer guys that didn't play which were more in line with Beamers usual talent level athlete. Maybe I misread. Is so, sorry. But people always gave Beamer a bad wrap for recruiting, yet he always produced talent.

Something Beamer couldn't do.

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Beamer also couldn't- no matter how hard he tried- give up 13 yards a play to a 7-7 Pitt team. Beamer also had trouble losing to GT every time he played them.

Yes but Beamer also fell flat on the national stage countless times

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With one of Bea,wrs best talented teams he lost to. G5 and FCS team in another year with a decent roster he lost to a 6-7 Pitt team. Go back and look Beamer lost plenty of games that the team shouldn't have.

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He celebrated a 0-0 tie in regulation with Wake Forest, before losing in overtime.

Beamer couldn't do what? Win 10 games? How many years in a row was it again? My how quickly we forget.

Again. Plainly obvious they are talking about the final years of Beamer's career not the length of. At this point it seems you're being purposely obtuse.

Im not being purposely obtuse, but this whole Fuente turned VT around is total BS. He won 10 games then 9 then 6. Obtuse, acute, whatever math you use, that's going the wrong way. And now we have a bunch of starters transferring. If Fuente wanted to clean house he should have done it in year one.

If Fuente came in year one cleaned house and lost the fanbase would have tried to run him out of Blacksburg tarred and feathered.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I disagree. The majority of the fanbase still wants to keep him at least a couple more years and he's coming off a 7 loss season (odu being one) and half the starters have transferred.

half the starters have transferred.

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This. It's seeming more and more like this year is gonna be the first "true" Fuente year. He came in with high pressure to win due to fans wanting us to get back to streaks of 10 win seasons. Like you said above, if he just blew it up and floundered at all he would have lost the fan base. So he worked with what he had and did great his first year, but that set some unrealistic expectations. He has been pruning the roster of misfits for the past 2 years and is finally getting his guys, his culture set. Per the other thread and player tweets #ItStartsNow

To be fair with the guys being referenced I believe Beamer went 8-5, 7-6, and 7-6. Beamer had an incredible run at VT that will never be forgotten. But it had come to an end and was time to move on as seen by Fuente adopting a mostly Beamer roster, adding his offensive system, his QB to a Bud Foster D, and taking them to the ACCCG.

and Jerod Evans. VT probably only wins 4 to 7 games without him.

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So Fuente saw the product last year and went after Eric Kumah to correct course?

If you're a HC, you need to learn to deal with player egos. This isn't Memphis where everyone is on their last, or only chance. Saban has a kid swing at a coach during a game. Urban had Percy Harvin kick balls into the stands during practice and refuse to practice. It doesn't have to get that drastic, but managing players is part of the game. I would damn well hope Fuente isn't searching for an 85 man roster of guys who are lock step in synch with him on everything, bc if that is his top priority for putting together a roster, we're never going to have the talent to compete for the ACC.

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The Bama guy who swung at a coach transferred to Tennessee State, so that might be a bad example because he was shown the door.

And Urban Meyer got labeled as the guy that turns a blind eye towards domestic violence. I'm cool with with Fuente not taking his lessons in team management from him.

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Literally the next sentence was, "It doesn't need to be that drastic" Clearly we don't want a coach who harbors murderers and anyone beating a woman. You're knowingly burying the point. He has to learn how to deal with other personalities in the room. It's his job to perform that balancing act.

At Memphis, he could run a complete 'my way or the highway' shop, because for the majority of his players, there were no other options. The players VT gets (and should be getting) typically have 50+ other programs they play for.

And my point was, you might want to choose better comparisons before making your point. Literally anyone else because apparently Urban Meyer doesn't know how to balance handling egos and winning and the Bama player you referred too did get shown the door.

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Yeah. I'm not a Fuente guy but I sure hope he gets rid of guys that choke slam coaches. I will however say that if you want to clean house you do it year one. This is starting year 4 and it's a little late for a clensing. Now you're just sending mixed signals or worse, being emotional because you're getting some heat.

It sure would have been a lonely place if he would have only had his guys year one.

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Thank you for bringing a level headed take to this. I too have been trying to balance it out First when all the news was breaking was "has Fuente lost the locker room?" and was aligning with most of the doom and gloom takes. But upon recognizing that these were all Beamer recruits I kind of backed off that. While I don't think losing these transfers helps us on the field, I won't worry about the locker room too much unless Fuente's guys start leaving. Fuente has now purged almost all the Beamer guys from the roster so it's really time to put up or shut up. He's got his guys, his culture, his system, and I agree it's gonna be sink or swim his way this season.

Man, am i just so ignorant to football? Is a player recruited by Beamer so incompatible to Fuente that they cant play in his prefered offense? I mean, players in the NFL change schemes semi- frequently when moving around teams. I know these college kids arent pros but they have been playing football their whole lives i would think they are at least slightly malleable.

I think the implications are more culture related than scheme related seeing as Kumah was successful in the scheme last year.

Culture at VT isn't going to mean much for Fuente if he only wins 6 or 7 games next year...

I don't disagree at all, which is what I said above. Fuente now has his guys, his scheme, his culture. This year is gonna be sink or swim for him.

I commented on this on another thread, but it's bull that this year is the measuring stick based on our schedule. This is a year we should be winning 10 maybe 11 games.

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Culture? Id rather have the culture that Beamer created.

Culture? What about:

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Yeah, I have kinda fond memories of the culture of 7 Big East and ACC titles, the longest bowl streak in the country, multiple All-Americans, dozens of players drafted, and a team that would punch you in the face and take your lunch money.

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I'm not so sure Fuente's culture isn't a good one. This is more about guys who had a certain relationship with the previous administration not liking that there were different rules and relationships.

Either it was really hard to make the transition, or those guys had bonded with some of the old guard, and didn't accept the way Fuente handled some of their teammates.

Said every organizational change ever - if you don't like rule changes don't go into the real world would be my advice to those kids.

I mean, its been 3 years since beamer left. Seems silly that this is still an issue for the team.

First two years of fuente's tenure were successful. Much easier to get guys to buy-in when they're winning.

I don't know for a fact this happened, but I bet these guys have had the same "well Fuente won with beamer's guys" thought that others on here have had. And when we lost this year, I would imagine they might have begun to think about how l the farther we got away from beamer's roster, the less success Fuente has had. I can see why the guys that were recruited by Beamer would think that way.

"This is more about guys who had a certain relationship with the previous administration not liking that there were different rules and relationships."

That doesn't explain Savoy and Kearney, two guys recruited by Fuente, up and splitting before the season ended.

They got passed by more talented younger players. Kearney was a Bud Foster player both his side of them ball and his position coach I don't think Fuente had anything to do with his leaving.

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And josh Jackson.

I played football at the FCS level.

After my freshman year, the defensive coordinator who recruited me and was my LB coach left to take a job at non power 5 d1 school. I was really bummed out and was pissed. My sophomore year was not fun as I did not like the new LB coach, I felt like he did not understand me and he was already looking at the new freshman he brought in. The first coupe mistakes I made led from me being number two on depth chart to tied with a freshman. I broke my collar bone and never played LB again. We switched to a 3-4 defense the next year and I played standup DE.

Its not that players on not compatible, its a family and trust factor when you go to school. Football is a very mental game and you can easily get in your own head with coaching changes. It happens all the time. These players at some level probably never got over Beamer leaving and not being who this coaching staff picked.

It's clear that Justin Fuente hates Seniors. I went back and looked at our roster the 3 years Fuente has been here and not 1 senior has come back to the team the following year. Now he is just getting rid of them before they even become seniors

Yep. I also have heard he hates puppies, bunnies, and cake as well as pie...

You sure about that? It feels like Chung has been a senior every year of Fu's tenure and possibly the last couple Beamer years as well.

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I feel like Chung had to leave the program because the NCAA would consider his Social Security checks as improper benefits.

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Walker, Pfaff, Chung, Facyson, Stroman, Clark, Motuapuaka, Rogers, just off the top of my head.

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> McClease, JJ

Are these confirmed, or are you just expecting this from your sauces?

I haven't seen confirmation, but there's a lot of smoke.

All recruited by Beamer and McClease and Kumah are very active on Twitter interactions with Mook Reynolds and Trevon Hill.

Honestly I'm getting a bit of a sense that a massive leadership void was left in the wake of the early NFL departures from 2016 and 2017. Fuente seemingly had no problems with guys like Rogers, Peoples, Chung and Walker; however, all the players with discipline issues were eventually dismissed and I'm not shocked if other players in the 2015/16 recruiting classes in continuous contact with those dismissed players eventually soured on the staff as well. Hell, fans were ready to turn on Fuente over tweets by Duwayne Johnson so it doesn't take a whole lot to start questioning your situation. It's hard to stay the course and buy in to the coach when you're constantly hearing negative things from former teammates you are close with.

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While I really don't love people leaving the program like this, I'm going to give Fuente this upcoming season before I hit the full on panic button. Some of the guys that left we are better off without, while guys like Cunningham/Kumah I think are really just doing what's best for them. It's just going to take more than one underperforming season for me to call on a complete reset.

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I think almost all on here with agree with you regarding Fuente, what everyone is trying to understand is the amount of attrition (and I have no judgement of ANY of the players leaving, this is solely early attrition of any sort, including dismissal, from those that have contributed / thought to be needed at thin positions. There is attrition at every program, but this list is getting pretty big).

- Evans
- The Edmundi
- Settle
- Goode
- Reynolds
- Alexander
- Kumah
- Cunningham
- Savoy
- Kearney
- Plantin
- Hill

I am probably missing some. We aren't Clemson and can't expect to keep top players from choosing the NFL as they should to get paid (Edmundi). The broader question is there something afoot? None of us know, but should we just cast questions aside?

Soon the answer will no longer be they were Beamer's guys. In time I hope that is the answer, but not sure anyone can say that with certainty right now.

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I don't have an issue with people wondering what's going on, I'm personally just reserving judgement until after next year. If this team now reflects the guys Fuente really wants to build the program around, then he needs to start winning with them. I'm just giving him the chance before I start freaking out. Personally, he's met my expectations 2 out of 3 years, but 2019 is when I really thought we'd be able to see what direction the program is heading in this era.

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I agree, and in no way calling for anything, just hoping for some more stability in the program. Maybe everything that has happened achieved it, but there seems to be turmoil at present.

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With all due respect Goode has no right being on that list...I just don't see why we continue to include this guy as a player for VT.

Because he was a VT football player if only for a hot minute, he just never saw the field. It should count as attrition, even if it might not be as big as other departures.

Unless your name is Marcus Vick, once a Hokie always a Hokie in my book

I'm normally in agreement with that, but I'm not sure Goode was at VT long enough to attain that status.

Okay, should I pull him and add Jackson and McClease, because it is quickly getting longer.

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Mcclease???? JJ??????

Well JJ is probably not going to see the field and I understand it. Mcclease is the one that would hurt and really make me question the staff the same way Kumah is

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When I first heard the news I was in full blown this ship is going down fast mode. After a few hours and reading everyone else's take, I've mellowed out. One of the main reasons is the offensive line we're building. Each oline class has been better than the last and we're building serious quality depth for the next 4 years. If we manage to land Nester I believe we will have the best oline in the ACC within 2 years. I'm a firm believer in building a team from the inside out.

While it might blow up in his face, I respect FU for not compromising what he believes in. Fuente likely wont get another opportunity like the one he has now if this doesnt work out. He hasn't done himself any favors by alienating the media and I'd wager at least 60% of the fanbase by now. Yet he hasn't deviated course one degree. Whether it proves to be successful not, the man has conviction. If these guys really didnt fit his culture then perhaps this is the best outcome for everyone.

I'll miss watching Kumah put dbs in the dirt on running plays and emasculating them on jump balls. We all want the "This is Home" motto to ring as true for all of our players as it has for us alumni and fans. Good luck Kumah and CC!

If those second 2 names are true; McClease would suck, but JJ I'm honestly not concerned about. JJ knows he'll have an up hill battle to regain QB1 between Willis and QP.

This really is a make or break year for Fuente...imo of course.

Thanks for the level headed take!

To be honest, I'm rather shocked JJ hasn't already put his name in the transfer pool.

I'm more shocked HH hasn't.

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He would lose a year of eligibility. Why transfer? Get a degree, continue to develop and go somewhere next season as a grad transfer with two years left to play.

Always choose joy.

Attrition from a coaching change is absolutely a natural side effect. However, Kumah is a little different (and McClease if that happens) because both of those guys are starters, or at the very least primary contributors on offense. That is a little frustrating because we now need someone to replace a lot of production and be reliable on 50-50 balls.

It's not something that can't be overcome, but it's difficult to process as a fan without feeling like the wheels are coming off a bit. I've heard all the spins on this and I just can't play that game. It is what it is, and we will just have to see what we can do with what we've got and the recruits coming in.

Don't normally agree with your takes, but this is one of the most rational posts I've seen here this morning.

Leg for you, sir.

or fail dramatically and flame out in a way that VT football has never experienced.

You mean like going 2-8-1 and losing to LOLUVa?

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I know what you are referencing here, but YOU SHUT THAT DIRTY MOUTH!!!! In Hokie history this is like the season that shall not be named.

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This is line with a lot of praise for the coach that has his players back... and no mention of the ones that do not seem to care.

Corny also in that boat.

Wiggins to Bama rumors start.

Soon after, Kumah enters transfer portal, and explicitly references Wiggins as a reason he was leaving.

I sense a package deal.

Bama returns all their top wide receivers next year so I seriously doubt that is where Kumah lands.

Totally forgot that Jeudy was only a sophomore. That's scary.

That would be construed as tampering, even if it wasn't it would be a bad look for Wiggins.

I said last year I'd be fine with Fu having 2 years to turn things around. Might have to revisit that now. I realize they aren't very similar situations, but this feels like Chip Kelly fire sale-ing most all of the offensive core players in his second year in Philly just because they weren't HKOGs.

That situation worked out for the best, but only because Chip's replacement and the FO went back and fixed what Chip did. How big of a fix are we looking at with VT?

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

The NFL is a much more fixable situation. It's designed to create parity. The worst teams get the best players plus there are salary caps to even put across different markets.

College is the exact opposite. Programs build on prior success and you often see teams go into death spirals when they make poor choices. Good teams make more money, spend more money, get better players, and ultimately some teams have reached the "too big to fail point" we know as blue bloods. Teams like Texas, USC, even Tennessee, even when they've been bad for a decade, have the ability to spend money and keep getting good recruits without even winning. They can flip a switch with a new coach and be a contender again. We don't fal into that category and we are rapidly losing the ground that Beamer claimed for the programs in the late nineties and 00s. We are reaching the point of having to rebuild a significant portion of that. We can barely even recruit in our backyard. And that's a combination of factors, like internet recruiting services, but it's not nearly as big of a problem for big schools. It's frowned upon when top talent leaves Ohio, or Michigan, or Pennsylvania, or Alabama, or Louisiana. It's become expected in Virginia and we've been sitting on our hands saying trust the process and have faith

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I love how we have a forum post on the tracker right now praising Buzz's rebuild of the roster and he went through this same transfer and attrition as Fuente, if not comparably more. I think the only difference is he is more liked by the fanbase bc he is more transparent and his rebuild was more "traditional" bc he started with an almost bare cupboard.

Basketball is a different animal but the big difference was immediate attrition and then gradual improvement instead of a downward trend then more attrition including starters

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It's not a different animal just less players. And it wasn't all immediate attrition, guys like Jalen Hudson (starter quality), Satchel Pierce, Johnny Hamilton, Seth Leday and Tyrie Jackson all transferred after being recruited by Buzz. And 2018 was a rebuilding year, not a downward trend, Buzz just had his in year 1 instead of year 3 bc of the roster makeup. Only time will tell of course but its just funny all the doomday attitudes on here when Buzz had more recruits transfer bc they didn't fit Buzz's culture or he didn't think were good enough to win them an ACC Championship.

I think it is also that the basketball team is seen as good right now.

We are coming off a lackluster season of football (for a myriad of reasons, discussed ad nauseum in dozens of threads) so everything is a crisis.

I'm not saying everything is shiny in Blacksburg, but I feel like this year in CFB in general is going to have a ton of transfers, all well publicized. For teams that had a good year, people won't freak out. For teams that had worse than expected, clearly it means the world is ending.

Hot take coming. People mostly think the basketball team is good because we're highly ranked but we haven't really beaten anyone. Last year we were on the precipice of questioning Buzz at 13-6, 2-4 in conference before winning 5 of the next 6. Perceptions change pretty quickly and if the basketball team struggles in the next 4 games, I wouldn't be shocked to see the narrative change and people less willing to use Buzzketball as a shining example.

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If we don't have a competent PG to run the offense without completely falling apart when Robinson comes out the game then the team will continue to struggle. Bede is great on defense and does a good job there, but is a complete non-factor on offense and looks lost when relied on to run the offense. How Buzz adjusts and deals with that will be the tell all on how our season will continue to go.

Buzz had the benefit of starting from a very, very low place. Fuente's picking up a team that hasn't had a losing season in 25+ years.

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I'm not saying Fuente doesn't care about his players, but Buzz openly cares about his players so much so that he posts about their birthdays on IG, posts photos with their families, etc. I'd bet my house that the players like seeing that. The fans see this too, many have mentioned a not very emotional Fuente at the press conferences. The contrast between the two's public actions is fairly stark and it makes a difference in public perception.

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Fuente would be tweeting happy birthday 3 times per week.

and this would be a huge burden??

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Maybe not a huge Burden, but a bit Corny. It might help Foster better relationships though

I'm mad at how this is a relevant post that still manages to fit 3 puns inside of it.

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I am glad someone was able to finish that alley oop.

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So what? I have more employees across several companies and I manage to tell them all happy birthday when it's their birthday. It's not difficult.

Yet, you're missing the larger point which is not about birthdays. It's about the manner in which Buzz openly supports, defends and bolsters his players to the media and fans. Fuente should take a master class from Buzz on how to do it properly.

There's 15 players, max, on a NCAA basketball team. Including walk-ons. There are up to 100 players on a FBS football team. It's unfair to football coach to be compared to a basketball coach in terms of how much personal attention they give to each individual player.

Fuente also has to worry about the 50-100 players we're recruiting at any given moment, plus 20+ staff.

Almost every post on the HokiesFB Instagram features an individual player and their accomplishments or honors... no birthdays though.

BTW, Buzz Williams promotes his own brand, not VT, on social media. Is that something Fuente should do too?

You are still focused on the wrong point. Amount of time is one thing. Manner in which done is another. I think on the whole Fuente could be A LOT better at engaging players in front of media and fans. It doesn't make him a bad coach. Hell I am a big Fuente supporter tbh. But he definitely could use some tutelage on better more effective ways to do it. Because he has such little time the time he does have needs to be more effective than it is now.

Buzz promoting his brand is smart for him. He is a commodity on contract. Unless he is doing so at the detriment of VT then I see no problem with it. Fuente could do the same for all I care.

It's bigger than just happy birthday posts. I think it's more about being a vocal advocate and cheerleader for his players. I'm sure he does care about all his players and staff, but we, the general public, don't get to see this. You don't have to get all emotional about it like Buzz does. Stand in front of a podium post-game and stick up for the kid who "played his nuts off out there" ala Bud, or go apeshit on the media for being unfair to your players like Gundy. I appreciate his level-headed and even-keeled approach and think it generally serves him well, but in that job, you have to make the occasional outward display of emotion for your players.

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I mainly agree with the line of criticism that the football team/staff/coaches isn't open enough and engaged with the fans.

But this line of criticism:
"but in that job, you have to make the occasional outward display of emotion for your players."

I watch Fuente's press conferences. He has repeatedly talked about how the best part of winning is seeing our football players enjoy the success of their hard work. And he talks about how much hard work they put in and that their success and their enjoyment of it is the best part of coaching.

It may be lipservice or fake (sadly I'm never in the locker room) but this idea that Fuente NEVER outwardly displays emotion or caring for his players simply isn't correct.

That's a fair argument. He does say such things, and I don't doubt that he means them. But his delivery tends to be so dry and unemotional that it doesn't "feel" sincere. It almost feels like he graduated summa cum laude from the Bill Belichick Shool of Media Relations. I realize that it's a silly complaint, but the lack of "oomph" in his voice when discussing his team and players just doesn't leave the same impression that guys like Buzz or Dabo do.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
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I get that this is subjective - to me his voice does have that "oomph" in his voice. Not necessarily a vocally loud or crazy kind of "oomph" but a strong measure of belief and caring level of "oomph."

Ultimately here is my take on this - "doesn't leave the same impression that guys like Buzz or Dabo do". The only thing worse than a shtick is copying somebody else's shtick.*

*Not saying Buzz or Dabo are fake.

Seriously, Fuente DOES do this.

If you watch his press conferences, you know this.

That's not difficult. I easily do that 5-6 times a day on Facebook. Perhaps a stupid analogy, but it's all a relationship building thing, just like wishing someone a Happy Anniversary. People love to hear their own name and most like to be recognized on a day that's important to them. Whether I've remained in touch with the FB friends or not, I say it, because it likely makes them feel good, even if it's just a small impression. Belichek and Saban don't do this but they win, so they don't need to. Fuente doesn't have that luxury and he doesn't need to be Dabo and go warm and fuzzy and religious on everyone, but some minor details or public points of recognition here and there that aren't at a press conference are building blocks for relationships and team chemistry, as well as generate positive public perception. Buzz is great at this and almost does it too much in my opinion. It works though on multiple levels.

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I can't know what's going on in the locker room, etc.

But how much do y'all think these transfers have to do with increased competition
and possible drop in playing time? We've got a lot of really talented guys coming in
(some already on the roster) so that made me wonder.

That is always part of it, especially at the WR and QB position right now. But another is the fact that CornFu want to rotate guys so much. The most talented players with NFL aspirations want to be THE guy, and call it selfish, but if their dream is the NFL, then they NEED to be THE guy to get there. WR's and RB's are going to have a hard time putting up the stats they need if they rotating too much. This might not matter to some top recruits and players, but it has to be a factor for a lot of them.

--
"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

This does not bode well if one subscribes to the view that the reason we can't get top defensive talent is because we run a defensive scheme that doesn't translate to the pros.

If the O gets tagged by the accusation we don't prepare kids to get their best shot at the NFL, rightly or wrongly, it's going to make recruiting talent that much more difficult.

I thought people were saying players don't mind not being THE guy anymore. e.g. Devyn Ford going to Penn State with a loaded backfield. So which is it?

Depends on the program. If the program is a blue blood (ish) and has a track record for sending a position to the NFL whether you started 1 year or 4 and all the while you get to play with other NFL players a d chase potential titles then a lot of the blue chips are ok with a crowded position room

At a VT though, we dont have those luxuries to sell, so what can we? We can say, if you come here you get to be THE man, not in a crowded room at a non elite school. You get to be show cases. But at offense hasn't been able to showcase anyone yet for a number of reasons so we can't even use that angle to recruit.

It can't be stated enough. Think about this from a 17 year old elite recruit's perspective.

What does this group of (potential) transfers have in common?


Kumah, CC, McClease, JJ...

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Hashtag transfer portal takes.

I'm confused... and this is me asking a legitimate question, not being a smartass

Are you saying Jackson is now in the transfer portal out of VT?

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

emphasis on (potential)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

🧐

I don't think this post meets the Community Guidelines./s

(for me this post is blank on my work computer and just a little box with an X in it on my phone)

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

there is only one thing to do here.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

They all played for Virginia Tech.

...Wait, that WAS a literal question, right?

Leonard. Duh.

LA, I appreciate the thoughts, but man, are they hard for me to reconcile. These are four players Fuente has praised throughout his tenure. They are also all upperclassmen that were set to lead their respective rooms (perhaps not all on the field). To me, these aren't the kids that had to "shape up or ship out".

I do 100% agree with this though:

My prediction is that we either take off in 2019 and 2020, or fail dramatically and flame out in a way that VT football has never experienced. Fuente is going die on his own hill, or he will be vindicated for his decisions over the past year.

Kumah was a little different. He let some outside influences get into his head and he slowly became unhappy with his role as the third down/jump ball safety valve.

Also, think about who his close friends in the program were: Settle, Stro, Devante Smith. All came in with Beams and all have since left. The people that helped attract him here are now all gone. Again, not saying he was a cancer at all, but the person he respected most left (Wiggins), most of his close friends are no longer in Blacksburg, and he wasn't happy with his role here. Fuente didn't push him out by any means, but he didn't provide much resistance when Kumah came to him with his intentions.

CC and Clease were both visibly unhappy with their roles and usage. JJ did not put the effort into his recovery and conditioning that the staff wanted to see from a leader.

JJ did not put the effort into his recovery and conditioning that the staff wanted to see from a leader.

Dad bod gonna dad bod.

CC and Clease were both visibly unhappy with their roles and usage. JJ did not put the effort into his recovery and conditioning that the staff wanted to see from a leader.

This is what I was suspecting the case for the most part. CC and Clease were not getting many touches and for the end of their career, I expected they wanted more action. Great info on JJ there. With RW and QP, many were expecting JJ to be the odd man out and a likely transfer candidate.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Agree that info on JJ's rehab attitude helps this make sense, but I'd argue that JJ was in the driver seat and had a legitimate shot at being named the starter again for next year... he was named the starter over RW for 2018 after all, and QP hasn't necessarily been trusted by the staff as a passer yet.

Personally, I liked the energy and effort that RW brought to the QB position last year, so I'm ok with a RW/QP spring battle if JJ decides he's not up for the competition.

I don't mean to prod, but like, how do you know all this

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

When I lived in the NRV, I had a couple of good friends that worked for the football program. We all three of us had kids that went to the same day care, so I saw them a few times a week. I've since moved but I shoot them a text or give them a call about once a week to catch up, and the conversation generally turns to VT football. Obviously in situations like this, I'll immediately text them to get the scoop.

I also have friends and a family member that are either connected to or are people that are very much involved in the football communities in the Fredericksburg, VA beach, and Richmond areas. Just kind of lucked out in that regard I guess.

My counter point- Kumah was playing ahead of a more theoretically talented player (Hazelton) because he was doing things the way Fuente and company want them done. (Kumah was blocking. Kumah was making tough catches, etc while Hazelton would get alligator arms over the middle and looked like he had no interest in blocking 90% of the time.)

I could see how losing might make him unhappy. But, I don't see how he wasn't getting an opportunity. He got the opportunity. He delivered pretty consistently when called upon, and he did it the way that the staff seems to want the players to do it. So I don't know why Fuente would have done anything to make him feel like he needed to move on, or didn't do anything to bring him back into the fold when he was feeling sour.

I don't have any kind of window into the locker room. But, watching the on the field product, these two transfers were from players who were giving excellent effort, which doesn't correlate to dissatisfaction. I think that is what troubles me.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

And honestly, at this point I don't feel like I have a good grasp on much of anything besides what my eyes tell me is happening on the field. If you told me players would be leaving because they are confused and angry about their roles, I would have assumed defensive players would be leaving because they played like a discontented unit that didn't believe in what they are doing.

And I am not defending the coaching staff or the players because I just don't have that insight. But, Fuente is going to be here until that buyout goes away, so hold on to your butts and hope we have an epiphany this spring.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Not arguing with you that he was given a fair shake. Just telling you how he felt about his role in the offense. He feels that he is a more complete receiver than how he was utilized this year and wants the opportunity to showcase that. He's a good kid that will always give 100% effort because he respects Fu and loves VT.

He wants to be at a pass-happy school. You'll see in the next couple weeks what I am talking about.

I spent a lot of time looking at the film of the bowl game. And if he wants more intermediate (see NFL style) routes, then that makes sense.

That quarterback room needs to step up and show they can be trusted to make more than one read and run, and be trusted to throw into the middle of the field. Stick routes, comebacks, deep in's and outs, especially against zones, need to have more of a presence. Right now, it is verts, verts and one outlet, or rub routes and that is it.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Id say UCF - but we actually had more passing attempts ...

My guess would be hes looking at ODU, ECU, Syracuse or maybe a Texas school?

When I hear passing offense, I think Texas Tech or Washington State, maybe Hawaii

that would be a smart move, grad school in Hawaii on scholly.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

We have to wait a couple weeks?!

Twitter me

Eh, Eric Kumah was Fus best receiver..... in the last game they played. Lol. He started the bowl game and made plays. Fu thinks he can't win with that guy? Cmon. And from all accounts Fu is a josh Jackson fan.. he didn't pull him out of games, he took him to media days, and repeatedly defended his play and decision making. He can't win with JJ? Cmon. Not buying it. And yes weeding the program of the old guys players - sure.. but this is his 3rd offseason.. and with the exception of Jerod Evans and maybe Tre Turner, the old guys players have been his best players thus far.

Read my response to Joe above.

Also, you have me all wrong if you think I'm trying to defend Fuente. I have been vocally critical of the way he runs the program many times in the past. I'm telling you guys what I've heard went down over the past couple of days/weeks, and expanded upon it with my thoughts.

For what it's worth, my commentary wasn't intended to be critical of what you wrote, nor do I think you're a mouthpiece for the program. I appreciate what you bring to the table here. Rather, I have a hard time digesting it all.

I think transfers happen on a case by case basis, and outside of Kumah, thus far they either fall into the buckets of playing time, discipline, injury. Kumah, I can't wrap my head around.

The more concerning thing isn't necessarily the transfers, but the commentary from those players leaving after the fact.

Don't worry, I didn't take it as being critical.

There's another angle to this, and I'm surprised nobody seems to have brought it up. (They might have; there's been a lot to sift through in the last 24+ hours and I might have missed it.)

Mook retweeted CC's announcement. This was what he added:

That first word... "finally"... in all caps. That tells me something. That's someone who wasn't just waiting for something, but was pushing for it to happen. He did it again when he retweeted Kumah's announcement:

And here's what he said about Sean Daniels:

"All you needed was a chance." In other words, it was the program, or the man in charge of it, holding you back.

Oh, and another person who retweeted all the announcements? Trevon Hill.

I know a lot of people are dismissing the idea of these being Beamer's recruits leaving, because we're entering year four of the Fuente era. But these are also Beamer recruits leaving after Fuente kicked a couple of high-performing Beamer recruits off the team. If someone were trying to push a narrative that Beamer recruits won't get a fair shake under Fuente because they aren't his guys, the time to sell that narrative is after the dismissal of Adonis, Mook, and Hill.

And if there are players who are genuinely upset about those dismissals, the time to walk away from the program is when you can do so without having to sit a year.

I'm not trying to paint a room rosy picture about this. These losses are bad. And I'm not trying to blame Mook or Trevon. They feel they got a raw deal from this program and have a right to vocalize it.

What I'm trying to say is, for all the people who seem to be running around pulling their hair out, screaming, "What is going on?!?" it seems to me the answer is staring us in the face. These dismissals created a rift in the locker room, and the players who side with the players who were dismissed are leaving, even if they were getting playing time.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Ding ding ding

was thinking it but you nailed it.

I also think, though I have nothing to back it up, that there is something insidious about a few too many former players heading to UCF. That's wild speculation though but I'm putting it out there.

All three transfer announcements are inundated with replies about coming to UCF.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

It's like we share a brain. excellent confirmation. thanks for that

I think there's a couple things going on with the UCF angle, and I don't think it's as insidious as it seems once you look a little deeper -

1. UCF has been excellent for two years, so there's the "come play winning football" angle.

2. If you think you can be utilized more and don't like your role on a mid-tier ACC team (it hurts to say that, but it's the truth at this moment in time), your options to contribute necessitate stepping down to the G5 level.

There might be plenty of P5 schools who'd love to make Kumah a focal point of the offense, but how many of those places are CFP contenders (even if UCF is a darkhorse, I'd still consider them contenders). UCF makes a lot of sense for these guys, and it makes sense for UCF too.

kerney and CC both from jax and would be much closer to home for them. for the most part outside of mizzou it seems like trevon is looking to come south, his biggest pursuants have been the U, FAU, and UCF and hes been in the south working out. So UCF makes a lot of sense for these guys. kumah im not sure what would attract him to UCF aside from Orlando, florida weather, a more lethal passing attack. but if wimbush is going to be the starting QB there id not be to excited about playing WR there.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Of course UCF would want ACC starters

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Very true -

I feel like its not a great look for them when you see attrition-ed players celebrating attrition. Fuente is going to move on, the fan base will be over it by the spring game when some stud offensive player breaks out.

I would hate for these kids to not get into their top transfer choice because they are taking shots at their former head coach..

I suspect Hill was made an example of and that didn't sit well.

I can't remember the exact details of Mook's situation but wasn't the confusion on the legal side, which kind of tied the hands of the program as to what they had to do?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Yup.

And I think the lasting issue for Mook is that he felt like Fuente should have done something to try to get an exception to the working policy.

Obviously we don't know what Fuente did or didn't do.

But the optics aren't good right now with the way this year has played out, and the way this offseason is starting up.

I had a bad feeling earlier this year that this offseason was going to make us think less badly of last years. I was hoping I was wrong, but this isn't giving me the warm & fuzzies.

I had a bad feeling earlier this year that this offseason was going to make us think less badly of last years. I was hoping I was wrong, but this isn't giving me the warm & fuzzies.

I was honest about what I said earlier. If Fuente doesn't win a lot of games, I don't know if he survives the season. This fractured locker room with kids who loved VT openly campaigning for current players to transfer and celebrating when they do is not a good look AT ALL for this program. And Fuente allowed this to fester for years before nipping it in the bud to the point where it really could bring the whole program down if allowed to continue.

This kind of dysfunction, if it had come out in December, is so damning to the personnel management aspect of the job that I'm not sure Fuente would still be our coach today, to be honest. How the hell are you going to go out and recruit high profile players with this kind of crap now spilling out into the public eye.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I think has to win AT LEAST 8 games in 2019 to be safe. The scary part is I don't think Bud will allow himself to go through another coaching change.

Then let Bud be the change!

S/ .... sort of...

Is it basketball season yet?

I want to like this but, I also want things to play out next year with the current staff. What a weird time for VT football.

I had a bad feeling earlier this year that this offseason was going to make us think less badly of last years.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That is my understanding - both Adonis and Mook were either University or Athletic Department policies, not Fuente's decision.

The thing is I understand the dismissal of Hill, and especially Adonis, but Mook definitely got a raw deal. Maybe it was just one too many respected guys in the locker room that got dismissed and guys took sides.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Mook got a raw deal?? He was charged with a felony.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Which he was later found to not be guilty of, if I'm not mistaken (or at least that's what Mook's dad has repeatedly said). Wrong place at the wrong time, but he wasn't the one at fault. Didn't matter, he was made an example of and kicked out, which obviously pissed off a lot of players.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

it. wasn't. fuente's. call.

He wasn't made an example of. He violated University Policies on Student Conduct as well as Virginia Tech athletic department policies after already being suspended for the spring.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

He may very well be a case of wrong place, wrong time and completely innocent, and some of the ugly things he and his dad have stated may be true, and/or Fuente could be a homicidal maniac bent on worldwide destruction... I don't know...
The black and white fact of the matter is he was charged with a felony, and players can't play until felonies cases are disposed, and the felony charge(s) is dropped.

His case has not been heard yet. He got it continued from July 18 to December 18. There was a prelim held in December, and another one is scheduled for February. Fact - Can't play, and there's not a goddammm thing Fuente would be able to do to change that.

Leonard. Duh.

Facts are so easy to dismiss when they go against one's narrative though

Mook's court case has been continued twice and is currently scheduled for 2/28 so guilt or innocence has not been resolved yet.

Courts do not adjudicate innocence. It's guilty or not guilty. Easiest example being OJ. He was found not guilty, but nobody on that jury would have called him innocent.

Not solely directed at you, and not trying to be a dick. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

Go back and read Mr. Reynolds posts in the Mook threads. He got a raw deal by the legal system.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

1) His dad is a biased source
2) Fuente isn't a judge and has nothing to do with legal system

Personally I don't agree with the punishments associated with marijuana offenses, but the "he just got a ride and the pot wasn't his" has to be the most common excuse ever used.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Nice, now we're at the stage where we are going after his dad. That didn't take long.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

'Going after'? He's not wrong when he says Mook's dad would be a biased source, and he didn't bring Mook's dad up in the first place.

Having said all that I have no reason not to believe what Mook's dad said, but this is a stretch.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I agree, no need to question Mook or his pops, or even get the verdict from the judge. At this point, it doesnt really matter, hes off the team and I wish him the best of luck legally and professionally.

That being said, answer the question, did Fuente have a choice in the matter of Mook's dismissal?

Fuente has no say in it. It's out of the hands of the coach and sits in the lap of the Athletic Director.

https://policies.vt.edu/1035.pdf

Thank. You

Any message board posters out there that want to be a fan and want to stay a Hokie, and don't have to worry about the turkey leg leader trying to be all in the threads, all on the conversations, spouting nonsense... come to TKP!

(Just kidding because that's not actually the case here)

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Ad hominem attack bingo square marked off

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Can't take a joke bingo square marked off

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

He didn't get a raw deal from the legal system by being charged. Unfair maybe, but I don't know all the facts. Now, if he's convicted on terrible evidence, bogus testimony, perjury then he got a raw deal. Even if you don't have an ounce on you, being within reaching distance of an illegal item or other instrumentalities commonly know to be used to package, produce, weigh, etc a drug means you can/could be charged especially if no one cops to it. Often police and detectives use this to their advantage to try to get someone to admit guilt. I would want to defend my son just as much as Mr. Reynolds and I'm not belittling his position to defend his son. Mook's unfortunate dismissal, as had been discussed ad nauseam, was a result of Virginia Tech policy.

An alleged "raw deal by the legal system" has nothing to do with Fuente not being able to maintain his locker room. Zero. Period.

And if you want to get into that, I've said it before. Assuming Mook and his dad are telling the whole truth, It's kind of on you as a footballer with NFL aspirations to be smart about getting into a car with a dope dealer riding dirty in the wee hours of the morning in a college town.

Leonard. Duh.

Sorry, should have clarified. I think Mook got a raw deal legally, in that he didn't end up getting convicted yet still was in a position where he had to be kicked off the team. I'm not blaming Fuente for that situation.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I find that wording to be deceptive. He didn't end up getting convicted because his case hasn't gone to trial yet. He hasn't been acquitted either.

As for getting kicked off the team, being in a situation where he could get charged with a felony wasn't his first strike.

Agreed. I find the situation unfortunate, but that wasn't VT's or Fuente's fault.

He was unlucky in one respect, but I struggle to sympathize with all of the social media posting that appears to be focused on some vindication for wanting to be painted as a victim. The taunting of more to come as some sort of rally cry validates the potential time to move on mentality LAHOKIE gave his insight on in his post. I'm not saying everything is perfect, but that behavior wreaks of a team divide and toxic behavior when those individuals were on the team.

Time to grow up and move on.

Not good.

What's most bothersome is that, for all the talk of honoring Frank and paying respect for what he did and what he built up, we're now seeing a rift so bad in the lockerroom that seemingly all of the players Beamer recruited are either being kicked out, or are standing up for the ones who were and are leaving themselves.

This is not how you build upon Beamer's legacy. This is how you destroy it.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

100% disagree. He ran a completely different ship than Fuente runs and we are seeing some of those impacts the last 12 months. Mook and Adonis were not Fuente's decision. Hill has been a reported issue in the locker room. You have players that were leaders under Beamer and continued to be leaders under Fuente. We lost a lot of leadership to the NFL and we did not have the team leaders (rumored that Hill was an issue with that) and that hurt. I don't see how Fuente's expectations impact Beamer's legacy whatsoever.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I disagree. I think that might have been the case had this happened in year one or two. By now, how many "Beamer guys" are left? Even if the locker room is completely divided, the division is far from equal. The influence that disgruntled dismissed players will be able to exert to try to lure other players away from the program will diminish quickly as their ties to active players dwindle. The locker room is already nearly full of "Fuente's guys" already. Before long, we'll have a full roster that never even played a down with Mook or Hill.

This isn't good, but it's absolutely navigable.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

As ugly as it is, maybe it's better for the "disgruntles" to leave.

What happens when you run out of people both good enough to do their jobs and sufficiently, uh, gruntled?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This is a myopic take at best.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

In less than 24 hours you have gone from "our fans look like a bunch of spoiled brats being told no for the first time" because a thread alluded to disappointment that no staff changes were going to be made to "Fuente is destroying Beamer's legacy!!"

Get a grip dude.

This is how I feel and I'm fine with it as long as the guys they're replaced with are as good or better. Mook made his own bed and Trevon gonna Trevon.

My main concern is the defense and getting our CBs to par and actually fielding a serviceable D Line. I am not worried about the offense unless we lose guys like Tre, QP, Mitchell, etc.

The two examples I used above are both defensive guys, but I side with Fuente and the decisions he made in regards to their situations. Hill's immature actions online reveal a lot about his character (or lack thereof) and I'm glad he's gone. I feel bad for Mook, he made a dumb decision and it cost him, such is life.

We'll have our answer this time next year.

"They'd rather win football games, you'd rather be sophisticated. Go like baseball loser."
-Colin Cowherd

#ALLMAROONEVERYTHING

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That's a nice sentiment, but nobody on either the player's or coaches side are going to say anything that reasonably justifies things to the fanbase. I'm sure CC is a nice kid, but if you can't say anything useful to quell any of the rumormongering, just don't say anything at all.

This is the biggest problem with Fuente walling off the program - you create far more rumors and hearsay than is necessary and it becomes, "Who do you trust more?"

I'm willing to give Fuente a longer leash than most here it seems, but the lack of access given to journalists has really dampened my enthusiasm about the football program.

Media access or not, Fuente is not going to go into details with anyone outside the program regarding dismissals, transfers or the state of the locker room. It would be very unprofessional.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Folks, in my opinion with the new NCAA transfer system (portal), more transfers are going to be the new norm. Just take a look at what is happening at Penn State. They have 11 players transfering under this new system.PSU

It's up to 12 now

Open poll Question: hypothetically you are the HC of a school called Tirginia Vech, and you have a very young team would you want:
A: more distractions
B: less distractions

Is mayonnaise a distraction?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Only when its labeled as aioli

C: Rename the school. That sounds terrible.

Leonard. Duh.

Just don't change it to UVA. That's worse

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Is Tirginia Vech a P5, G5, or FCS school?

Let's Go

HOKIES

P5, but their conference is riding the coattail of 1 team

And tirginia vech has one crappy schedule for next year. Looks more like a division 2 schedule. Coach better come up with a better excuse than " we are young". And uva will be looking to grab that cup that tirginia vech has been carrying for 15 seasons. Excuses are officially out the window with this schedule. No excuses about transfers, attrition, injuries and the like. It is time to man up and produce. Play the players you have, and stop with the excuses. Defense has always been the strength of this team, and it is time to earn the pay gang

So they're in the SEC?

Hokies Respect!
... no one

Cmon everyone knows is Ti Vech for short

Honestly... these transfers do not upset me as much as the fact that the defense had its worst performance of the season in the bowl game after a month of practice.

I don't have #sauces like some of you guys, but last I heard was that Cunningham and Kumah played on offense.

Leonard. Duh.

I would argue ODU was the worst performance. 49 points from a team that has far less talent.

Defensive issue weren't going to fix themselves with a few extra practices for this season. Need personnel growth and addition...

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

You could argue that, and it would be solid.

My point was that there was no improvement by the end of the year and also some regression, especially against the run.

Leonard. Duh.

I don't understand why people keep comparing our situation to the school that has been gobbling up 5-stars at almost a Bama/Clemson pace the last couple years.

They're losing these guys because they have TOO MUCH talent and we have the opposite problem.

Four of the players (at least) in this gif have something in common.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Finally, after 15 hours of waiting, someone got the right answer.....

Fuente hates dancing!

what does Sean Daniel, DJ crossen and Caleb Stewart have in common?

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

^^^^^

the fact that he is working out in work outs and is still on the team is great news. I honestly didn't expect to him to be back.

I think caleb maybe in the clear for now. but I wouldn't hold my breath in the long run.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Fuente hates dancing??? Is Dax our version of Kevin Bacon then according to the gif?

If Dax transfers I'm blaming you.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

No Hokie, no cry

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

I wonder what the hit rate on comments like these is... how often does a comment go plaid when someone else comments that it should? 1% of the time? Way less?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Every time I see a comment saying another comment should go plaid I think some of y'all have some low standards. My reply above is probably a ~+25 comment. The obscurity of the reference definitely won't let it get to +100.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I think some of y'all have some low standards.

You don't have to remind me about low standards, I somehow got someone to marry this

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

my reaction is usually something like "wait, you think THAT is plaid-worthy?"

usually if something is plaid-worthy, it doesn't need someone pointing that out

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Bob Marley references should never,ever be obscure.

However, you probably do not have case of plaid there because "...everything's gonna be alright..." doesn't go with "No Woman, No Cry".

Leonard. Duh.

However, you probably do not have case of plaid there because "...everything's gonna be alright..." doesn't go with "No Woman, No Cry".

Excuse me?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Ok. Technically I stand corrected. However, we all know that's not the most famous instance of Mr Marley tellingnus to chill out.

In any case, I will give you the points for this round.

Leonard. Duh.

With all these transfers, there is plenty of space on the rasta for Fuente's guys.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

3 little Hokiebirds

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

gonna be alright for who??

jk

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Getting all the players to hate you so they graduate as fast as possible to hit the graduate transfer portal, is a bold strategy to get the players in the classroom

I understand you are kidding, but lets not try to act like this is only a Justin Fuente Virginia Tech thing...

Open Portal (Mario sound)

PSU - 11
UCLA - 8
ILL - 8
VT - 7
USC - 5
A&M - 5
LOU - 4
NEB - 3
DUKE - 3
FSU - 3
OSU - 2
ARK - 2
MD - 2
UNC - 2
Miami - 2
CLEM - 1
UVA - 1
SYR - 1

VT and Illinois are the only schools on that list with more than 3 transfers that are several years removed from their coaching change and aren't losing talent due to the presence of too much better talent.

So we're Illinois now? That's okay?

The Virginia Tech Fighting Illini has a good ring to it but it really doesn't make any sense

(add if applicable) /s

Uh, just about everyone transferring from VT has better/equal talent eating into their potential playing time.

McClease is the potential exception there. This spring would have been his opportunity to seize the starting role and get 150+ carries.

That is the message that should be taken from this...

7 or 8 is significantly higher than 5.

Our situation is significantly different than everyone else and our head coach has lost the locker room..

waiting for the /s

I keep thinking about this and what some of the players are posting. I'm starting to wonder if the Beamer kids just didn't take well to the new coach and his personality. I've heard a lot of past players talk about how Beamer was like a dad and family. Maybe Fu just isn't that type of personality.

One of things that makes me wonder about this is the "Business is Business" quote. What if Fu treats it more like a business and they just don't like that. So now that you have some folks graduating and able to play somewhere else, they are out because the warm and fuzzies that brought them to the team are no longer there.

I feel like this makes sense and somewhat helps calm any issue with future recruits. As they would know Fu like this from the start, rather than going through a change of personalities.

Anyway, was up late last night reading on twitter and TKP about the dumpster fire, and then did a lot of driving today to think about it.

have to agree with this. beamer set the standard as a coach who cares, not many kids like their step dad no matter what they do.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Glad to see some players (who aren't leaving) chiming in too, in addition to Dax and Tre

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I could be skewered as an apologist for saying this, but if there has been a divided locker room and one faction is leaving en masse then the end result has to be addition by subtraction once the locker room is united and pulling in the same direction.

Yes, the loss of production sucks and looks bad, but team cohesion is going to be more important than individuals' numbers going into next season.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

That would be a...

... BINGO!

The people who weren't buying in needed to go. Now they're gone. That's probably a good thing.

Nothing against them, but there was clearly some resistance to letting Fuente do his thing, for whatever reason. I think Fuente is an excellent coach, but he's got to have it his way for it to work. You have to trust the process.

You can't blame players for looking out for themselves and their own careers, but for the most part, I think this is going to work out OK.

#ItStartsNow 😏

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

There is a difference between guys rowing out of time and guys rowing in the wrong direction. Push some out of the boat and you are better off with fewer guys rowing in time.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

They don't know what they're talking about. TKP knows this team is falling apart, everyone hates Fuente, and the locker room is burning to the ground. I trust Hill and Mook over these guys for sure.

15 Straight

Always listen to the disgruntled people.

If the Hero of Pittsburgh says, "Well be just fine" then I believe it.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Well that kills off some of the narrative

lol@ the original tweet at him getting deleted.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Like to know what original said. People have to screen shot those things.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I saw it. Was basically "where there's smoke theres fire" and "they had thought something was wrong ever since Ford, Evans and Bucky declared"

Thanks for the assist!

I would like to nominate Mark Berman to put his name into the transfer portal.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

He tried to register but this message came up:

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Interesting stat:

How many 5th year guys are we supposed to have?

There were some NFL players in this class, but yes, this was indeed an unproductive class.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

After seeing the statements put out by McClease and Jackson regarding their transfers

I am moving away from the deep rooted cultural issue side and more towards the Grad Transfer Rule + Transfer Portal will make this the new normal side.

The only one I still can't quite place is Kumah, who went from having a solid year as a contributor to transferring out as a malcontent and not thanking Fuente. I think the fact that he announced first, and in the way he did caused the bad vibes to kind of spiral out of control. The twitter interactions going on between the transfers and dismissed players bad-mouthing the culture all seem to be coming from former players who have a bone to pick with Fuente. But I have seen multiple players on Twitter (both current and former) seemingly support the staff and sound ready to get back to work. As has been said multiple times, this year is really time for Fuente to show us what he's got and what he will be moving forward. I am looking forward to seeing what happens!

With all of this transferring going on, are we going to get any transfers IN?

This!! ^

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

Yea how many corners and Dtackles are in that portal?

For some reason I imagine the "portal" as one of those games at the bowling alley or skate rink where you drop a quarter in to steer a three-prong armed through the glass box to drop down and try and grab whatever prize suits your fancy.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Here's a list of those in the portal:

portal - click!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

The list has most of our players listed as "undecided" about entering the portal. What does 247 know that we don't?

It means they are undecided of where they are transferring to.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Well I feel like an idiot now.

Jauntavious Johnson - Auburn
Malik Barrow - Ohio State

Seem like good candidates for transfer. Just bc they can't start for AU or anOSU doesn't mean they can't start for next year for VT given the severe depth issues.

From following Kumah on Snapchat, he always seemed like a cancer. Played an incredible amount of video games, averaged fried chicken and fries for dinner each night, and didn't seem to take football seriously. Away games he'd be up all night before the game watching TV and pranking his roommates as they slept. Also snap storied an NCAA violation once. Now I can't compare that to other players as he was the only one i follow, but didn't seem like a guy I'd want in my program.

Kumah wasn't a cancer. He didn't get along with Fu but he still loves and supports his teammates.

Well, we certainly didn't lose someone with discipline.

Theyve all never lost to UVA #AmIDoingThisRight

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

So was the meeting last night just about concerns with the players that transferred or is about the total viewpoint of the football program as a whole and it trending in a negative direction ?

A little of both. Players voiced their concerns with the state of the program and the coaches that were there gave them the "either you're in or you're out" speech. Well received on both ends.

So, still seeing rumblings of a Turner transfer out there on the interwebs. You still feel good about Tre?

Is it basketball season yet?

Just curious, where are the rumblings? Twitter? Message boards?

I could see if he had already graduated, but transferring now would mean sitting out a year.

Haven't heard anything to make me feel differently. He was very close with Wiggins and Hill, so he is upset, but I haven't heard anything to make think he's leaving.

Thanks for the input LA

the coaches that were there gave them the "either you're in or you're out" speech.

We know Wiggins is gone and safe to assume his replacement may not have been there because he hasn't been officially announced. Was any one else not there? Do any of the below apply?

A) Some coaches were not there because they were out recruiting
B) Some coaches were not there because they have been relieved of their duties
C) All of the above

Well received on both ends.

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Well, you're in or you're out.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I keep wondering why a sports reporter from Roanoke Times doesn't interview all these kids to get the inside story. I feel like we're just speculating on the reasons.

Journalistic integrity. They'd only be able to report one highly biased, likely unsubstantiated, side of the story as respectable coaches won't and often can't publicly comment on matters relating to the student athletes.

That said, someone could probably garner an audience by doing this type of thing but I can't imagine they would be respected or well received around the program and could even risk legal action against themselves. Not to mention there's no reason to do it unless you want to significantly damage the program. I'd liken it to the Mike London era where he initially had connections with a group of highly rated recruits, but everything other aspect of the program was a failure and proved to be completely unsustainable.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Times like this I wish Kyle Tucker was still over there..

Does anybody know if Hill was roommates with a still on the team player after he was removed from the program?

Saw a post referencing him sharing an apartment with Gaines