Quincy Patterson should start next season

After watching the National Championship if QP is as billed he should start. If you have a special QB it's better to start him sooner rather then later. Get his feet wet and let him grow with our young offensive players.

Right now we have 2 different types of QB's that are good at very different things, and QP should be the total package.

QP was competing with Lawrence in the Elite 11 and getting high praises.

Take a little bit of a risk and take the training wheels off.

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QP should start because Trevor Lawrence is a prodigy at QB? Got it.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I think I get what he is saying. Remember when Beamer waffled on Tyrod and Glennon splitting time, burning Taylor's redshirt twice and settling on a 2 QB system? I believe what he is leaning for in this post is that if you have an Ace in the hole, don't wait to play it. Jackson is coming off injury, Willis is a gutsy gamer, but if QP is that dude, play that dude.

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Yeaaa way easier to take that risk when he's surrounded by 5 star receivers, an All-American running back, and can lean on the best defense in the country when he's having an off game. Not comparable situations. The better argument is I'd rather go 5-7 and let Quincy get experience than go 7-5 under Willis who leaves after next season anyway. If playing Josh or Willis only equates to a slightly better record, then give me the young guy.

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This isn't Aaron Rodgers plying his time under Farve when we have both QBs under contract. He redshirted one year, why not give him the game experience the next. Clipboard holding is great in the NFL, but why not use the years we got with him here?

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Why not play all the backups who redshirted this year? That is not an argument.

QP should play if he gives us the best chance to win now and he shouldn't play if a different QB gives us the best chance. If he can't out perform the other QBs against the scout team defense, what makes you think he will do better against a starting defense?

The whole notion of "We should suck it up and be bad so this guy can get experience" is an insult to every player on the team who is busting their tail to win games. It is an even bigger insult the seniors and to the better QB that is now sitting who put in the work to be better. That notion needs to vanish. The QB that gives us the best chance should play. End of story.

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I think QP can go 6-6.

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Which will end our Bowl streak next year.

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Not if we lose to one of the FCS teams but still get 6 wins. Right? Problem solved.

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Sorry I will take the better record regardless of the QB.

This is being purposely obtuse.

That's acutely accurate

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This does seem to be the trend. I mean the last two National Championships were won by true freshman QB's.

That said, they both might be exceptions to the rule. Tua just broke the single season QB efficiency rating, and Trevor Lawrence is a rare, rare prospect, touted by some as the best HS QB prospect of all time. So they may be the outliers.

So, what you're saying is we missed our chance at a Natty since QP will be a Redshirt Freshman next year?

Dang it.

RS freshman Mike Vick lost the Natty so the math checks out.

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I think it really is the trend. Remember that UGa came within a whisker winning last year with Jake Fromm who was a redshirt freshman. Granted, those guys are 5 stars, but still...if it's close in August, let the young gun start. A relatively soft schedule in September is ideal for a young QB. It's not the worst idea.

Since Tua and Lawrence are much better than QP, this does not compute.

That's kind of my point. It's definitely a trend to start the younger, more talented option around the country. However, it's silly to think that you get the Tua and Lawrence level of impact from each one because they are just genuinely supremely talented.

Agree, we hokie fans have a tendency to think oh QP was elite 11, he is just as good as Tua. Or Devon Hunter was a high 4 star player, he has to be as good as -insert Bama safety here.

Yep, and one thing we do know about QP is that the same guys who praised his Elite 11 performance also talked about how raw he was. So we shouldn't be surprised that he wasn't ready to step in and start slinging the ball around as a true freshman.

Yeah but Tagovailoa's and Lawrence's respective situations are different than QP's though.

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because they have diesel O-line, a rotation of all world backs, and NFL ready receivers?

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Outside of that, what do they have??

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Disgustingly good defenses that set them up to have quality field position

Yeah well I wasn't all that impressed with their long snapping. Can't always believe in star ratings I guess

Their kicker sucks

I think offensively we have the pieces if JJ ord QP can be accurate. Tre is a stud and with Hazelton form a scary duo, the oline and rbs will be young but are filled with 4* players....if the QB is good we will score points.....what I learned last night is you can't overpower clemson/bama/osu...you need to use tempo and confusion.....that's why Cuse and ta&m gives them fits....QP, I believe offers the best possible combination of mobility and accuracy.....

I will add you need to keep pace with their offense as well.

We were able to do that with Evan's at the helm, and that's why when we played Clemson in the ACC Championship it was so close.

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Just to be fair, as far as I know the only composite 4 stars we have on the line will be freshman Hudson, and the only 4 star RB we have is freshman King. Maybe I missed someone, but I don't know that that qualifies as "filled with 4* players"

Going to the same high school as Will Pritchard and seeing him play.... not the 3* he was rated. He's an animal

He's also like 4'

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It's truly amazing how all world QB's tend to throw to all world WR's. It's almost like there's a symbiosis that results in both being all world.

holee crap, did you see #8 for clemson bail out Lawrence over and over last night? Circus catch doesn't even do it justice.

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If you've watched much of Bama, Jeudy, Waddle and others have made some spectacular catches to make Tua look great, too. Not as many, last night, though.

Similar for Kyler Murray and Haskins.

If he shows enough in camp and at practice, then sure.

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Easy to say that now but clearly this fan base has no patience for another 6-7 development season so Fuente should play the most game ready QB and I'm sure he will do that.

only one way to find out who the most game ready QB is. get him in the game and see if he is game ready. coaches careers live and die by the QBs they recruit. that's the nature of the beast. im sure we would all rather him go 6-7 with QP than 6-7 with RW or JJ and wonder what could have been.

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im sure we would all rather him go 6-7 with QP than 6-7 with RW or JJ and wonder what could have been.

I am pretty sure if Fuente had gone ahead and started true freshman QP and we had gone 6-7 fans would not have been any happier. There would have been plenty of fans angrily questioning it. It's always easy to talk about the "long term" and "patience" in the abstract, but when you're losing in the season that usually goes out the window.

Correct. If we start QP next season and go 6-7 and in particular the offense is struggling, while Josh and Willis are just hanging out on the sidelines, people will be calling for Fuente's head.

What's up with his stubborn refusal to play the guy who will give the best chance to win? Why are we paying so much to sit in the stands and watch a game when the team clearly has no interesting in winning?

The only thing that soothes the grumpy fan is winning. If we go 15-0 with Kyle Chung under center after getting an exemption for a 7th season, Fuente is a genius. If Trevor Lawrence transferred and started for us next season and we lose to Rhode Island, Fuente is an idiot.

Problem being, if you start QP and go 6-7, you have NO IDEA what would have happened if you had started RW or JJ. And fans being fans, we typically assume that RW playing GUTSY FOOTBALL would have willed our way to an extra 4 or 5 wins or JJ playing SMART GAME MANAGEMENT would have negated every single interception and won us an extra 4 or 5 games. As fans, we tend to be myopic, unrealistically optimistic morons. Myself excluded.

Ok, but what we would know is that our supposed future star now has a year of ball under his belt and should be ready to fulfill his potential. We aren;t winning a chip next year. We aren't winning the ACC next year. I'd rather go 6-6 with QP than 7-5 or 8-4 with RW considering it would mean we are developing the QB with the highest ceiling.

Until we're actually 6-6 and you and everyone else complains that Fuente isn't doing the job and should be fired.

No. Play the QB that is going to get you the most wins.

Uh, don't put words in my mouth. You can create hypotheticals all you want but I literally just told you I would prefer that.

I'm in the same boat. Once we're bowl eligible, the next milestone is winning the Coastal. If we don't do that, I don't care from a high level point of view if we are 6-6, 7-5, 8-4.

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It's definitely not that far fetched that we could be in the ACC title game next year. Transitions at GT, UNC and Miami, major system change at one of those. BC lost its high powered OC. Giving up on our shot at Clemson because we want to get someone who isn't ready extra playing time seems silly. Having him as the clear 2 who comes in when we're kicking the crap out of Furman, on board. Get the dude snaps. Just declaring that we have no shot with guys who might be better than him still, so we should play him, seems like a bridge too far.

It's pretty farfetched. We were straight booty this year. I know it's the offseason now so disappointment has now been replaced with optimism once again though.

BC lost its high powered OC.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Yea but the majority of us also said before the season they could understandably see a 6-6 season happening with all the attrition we had and still freaked out when it happened. I trust none of us to be reasonable.

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I disagree that the majority said that. And even those that said "they could see" it happening meant that it would be a close to worst case scenario.

Most people predicted 7-5 (except 5th Fuller, God bless his O&M soul), therefore 6-6 is not far off. Everyone DID know this year had the potential to be rough, and that was before a lot of in-season injuries. Don't act like people expected us to be world beaters when the reality was we knew what was likely.

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I don't think anyone thought we would get blown out so badly on our way to this year's 6-6. We went 6-6 twice with Beamer his last few years and we were mostly competitive for those losses.

If those teams played this year's team it would be a blow up. This was just an awful awful team. It took two miracle finishes to even beat UVA and UNC while our losses were for the most part embarrassing and out of reach.

Correction: we went 6-6 three times in the last 4 years under Beamer. And those teams were playing punt-fests, or have you forgotten the bowl game vs Rutgers or 0-0 Wake? This year's team had the potential to move the ball but would stall for whatever reason while the defense couldn't stop anyone but FSU, William & Mary and Duke. The 2012 team actually struggled to stop teams as well, often giving up huge plays in the secondary.

I actually think this year's team would beat the 2012 and 2015 teams if you took what both teams were at the end of the season personnel-wise and pitted them against one another.

I very much disagree that this team could beat any of those three on a consistent basis. I think this year's defense would be by far the worst unit on the field in each matchup.

And sure, 2012 struggled to stop people as expected for a 6-6 team but their worst lose has by 21 points to Clemson. We only gave up 30+ points four times. This year we lost by 21 a total of four times and gave up 30+ eight times!

Imagine our defense right now trying to stop Logan Thomas from barreling for 10 yards a play lol.

So at first you're arguing that no one predicted 6-6 and now it's no one thought the losses would be that bad?

Ultimately this season ended up about as we expected record wise. And that's after some serious injury woes and dismissals. It really doesn't matter how badly or not the latter Beamer teams would have beaten this one. It's a young team with injury woes. No real senior leadership.

Long story short, this season sucked but it's not like everyone picked us to go 10-2. It's about what we ultimately predicted.

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At this point, I'm saying that no one expected us to be THIS bad. Not all 6-6 records are equal. It's not like we were close to winning a few more and a few minor improvements here and there gives me great hope for next season.

No we sucked. We got outclassed in most of our games in embarrassing fashion and we got lucky in some of our wins.

We aren;t winning a chip next year. We aren't winning the ACC next year. I'd rather go 6-6 with QP than 7-5 or 8-4 with RW considering it would mean we are developing the QB with the highest ceiling.

Agreed... this was basically my take on it. Playing him in 2020 and possibly 2019, will produce a better QP product in 2021 and 2022 than if he didn't get the reps in 2019 and/or 2020.

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Hot take: Fuente & Co. should start the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win next season.

get out of here with your LOGIC and REASON

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We are fans and, as such, we get caught up in the emotions of game day exhilaration and / or frustration.
We do not see the practices. We do not participate in the position meetings. We do not attend in the weight room workouts. Most of us have no idea of what is going on in the lives of the players or coaches.
The coaches, the support staff, and the administration are there and are being paid big bucks to do their job. They have much better insight in how individuals are doing in practice, how well they understand the playbook, etc.
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We do not see the practices.

This is such a key point. I don't know why some people think players who are not up to par in practice are going to be good in games. That rarely, if ever, happens.

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I'm not gonna advocate one way or the other, but is it always about the current season? I'll give you a hypothetical knowing full well its unlikely to shake out. Just a though experiment.

Hypothetically, would you rather go 5-7 in 2019 letting QP, who may not be ready, go through his growing pains then make a NY6 run in 2020 with QP an experienced RS Sophomore, or go a respectable 8-5 in 2019 with Willis and a respectable 8-5 in 2020 with QP getting his first season as a starter.

Put another way, is it always best to win as much possible right now, or is it okay to make sacrifices to invest in the future?

Put another way, is it always best to win as much possible right now, or is it okay to make sacrifices to invest in the future?

Personally, I'd rather Fuente run an environment where playing time is earned, not given.

How would you feel about an environment where uniform numbers are earned?

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Believing in a player's ability to grow and be coached over a season is not "giving playing" time in the context that you imply. That is the scenario that was posited. I think it is a perfectly fair opinion to ultimately want what would maximize the potential of the team rather than immediate success.

What about the option that gives us the highest ceiling as a team? Spanning multiple seasons? Those could be different players.

Let's be honest, if QP can't beat out two mediocre options (one of whom is coming off a tib/fib fracture), he's not ready to become the messiah QB. He still has bust potential even though he has all the physical tools and is reportedly a very bright kid.

Sometimes you learn by doing. And that means getting thrown into games. Although, he has now spent time in the program. It's not like he is a true Fresh just getting his toes wet in college football.

I don't disagree. It doesn't feel like we have that much to lose. It does concern me that we didn't see him in the Marshall or Bowl Game though.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

We didn't see him against Marshall because we didn't need him. Better to keep that fourth game in your back pocket in case of disaster in the bowl game.

We didn't see him in the Military Bowl because Willis was providing enough of a spark in the run game that we didn't really need our wildcat package. I'd imagine we came damn close to seeing him when Willis dinged his shoulder, though.

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Did we even have a "wildcat QB" designated at the bowl game? I remember QP ran that package over HH because HH had been elevated to #2 (with RW starting) after JJ's injury. Since HH was inactive for the bowl, I imagine QP was #2. We might have only gone to that package if RW was hurt and QP had to come in to play.

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I get what you're saying but it seemed the first three games there was no rhyme or reason behind when he came in. It felt like they were a total waste.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He came in against BC and Pitt because Willis was helped off the field. And someone has to take the snap.

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Which doesn't make sense because Fuente said Hooker was the backup.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

What was a total waste then? He got some snaps, didn't burn his redshirt, and didn't negatively affect the outcome.

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"We" as a fan base don't have much to lose...but Fuente has his staff and players to think about. Another bad season and people will start losing their jobs. Fuente is going to make sure he gives this team the best chance to win period. If he isn't doing that he's cheating everyone else on the team and staff who is giving their all for this team to win and succeed.

Not exactly what I was saying but okay. My point was it doesn't seem like there could be that much drop off from Willis to QP. Obviously the fan base has less to lose.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

For what it's worth, sauces say that QP was very surprised he didn't get any snaps in the Mil Bowl. Apparently, the plan going in was for him to see significant playing time (a couple of drives), but that was abandoned.

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Evidently I'm in the minority here so I won't beat the horse too much, but I was really frustrated at how we used QP's four games. We had the Marshall game in the bag and he didn't come in. That sounds like it was because they planned for him to play in the bowl game. Then he didn't. Is that because the game was winnable and they didn't want to mess with Willis's mojo?

I guess my point is there was no clear patten to when he came in other to run straight into a wall of defenders in a few games. Sure, we didn't burn his redshirt. But I don't come out of it with the feeling that we made the most of his games.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Here's how I look at things in the ACC. You better work your kinks out the next two years, because it's going to be awful tough to beat Clemson. Whatever you have to do to put your best product on the field in 2021 to take that next step, that's the next opportunity to shoot your shot, aside from a fluke victory.

So to me, if the next two years serve as growing pains to get to 2021 and have a team ready to go after it, then so be it. I'm in it for the long con.

So we've already moved on from 2020 is our year to now 2021 is our year?

Sure, 2021 is when Clemson's once in a generation QB will be in the NFL

The only silver lining for possibilities in 2020 is that Clemson fans by their own admission are worried a lot about their OL for that season, and they will have almost certainly lost several of their receivers and Travis Etienne by that point. More than likely they will be fine, but I know there is concern about 2020 from Clemson fans for those reasons despite them still having at least Lawrence and Ross back.

Our year is the first year during which the entire team is composed of players that never were directly or indirectly associated with anyone that was ever directly or indirectly associated with anyone on Beamer's teams.

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What do we know about the defensive line they have coming back? That position is key IMO...

Xavier Thomas looks like he could be Ferrell level and better than Bryant. Their DT's will almost certainly be a downgrade of some sort.

Thomas was #3 overall recruit in the 2017 class.

I heard they got some guy named KJ Henry waiting in the wings as well. I wonder how he'll pan out.

If he can play, he should play.

That said, if he can't play, I do wonder how much of a QB guru we have if we can't make an Elite 11 QB the starter over what we have already seen.

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Speaking strictly for myself, any doubts about Fuente's "QB guru" status are put to bed by Ryan Willis's stat line. Took a kid who couldn't cut it at Kansas and reliably made the wrong read and wound up with the fourth best passer rating in the conference and a 2.67:1 TD to INT ratio. That's making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

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Now imagine he does this with a top-rated prospect with a way higher ceiling. Why are we worried?

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cause we are hyper-reactive fans that dont look at data when presenting a narrative we want to believe in.

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Who's worried?

(Not a rhetorical question.)

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Not me... I have full faith that it'll work, and I agree with what you said above. But I'm also not going to automatically assume its a sure thing until I see it on the field.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

A QB can look a lot different in shorts vs shoulder pads. He is putting in work, he will find the field.

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I am going to start this offseason right. I am going to re-watch the Elite 11 and have unreasonable expectations for QP.

For the uninitiated.

We have a young team.

If he takes his lumps now, the youth will all grow together...

OR

Maybe QP is that missing ingredient we need on offense, to take it to the next level.

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Man.... watching that Clemson team last night and knowing we directly have to go through them to even win the ACC, its kinda depressing to realize just how far behind them we are. They outclass us at pretty much every position on the roster, their coaching is just as good, if not better than ours, they run circles around us in recruiting, and their revenue gap is only widening.

Maybe its just me, but right now, I don't believe there is any realistic path for us to get to where we want to be without Clemson taking a big step back.

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Same could have been said for those Miami and FSU teams that were NFL breeding grounds.

Also, remember USC. These things cycle all the time.

They are stacked and look unbeatable, which happens right before they get beat.

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If Clemson gets taken out, it won't be by us because there just aren't enough players leftover after they (and Bama, and Penn St) get through picking our region clean in recruiting to really compete. And that's pretty much how its all gone down for a while. Miami got taken out by USC, USC got taken out by the SEC... then Alabama absorbed the best of that SEC talent, and now Clemson is stepping up as another. I'd have more confidence if these powerhouses were in another region, but Clemson is effectively in our own backyard.

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You could even go as far as to say that they might be the best team in the country right now... /s

I like me some Steve Peoples and Mclease, but their is a lot missing from this offense. WRs seem to be a nice overflow of talent, but that game changing back is not currently on the roster IMHO. I don't see a bully offensive line either.

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1. Bring back Shane as quarterbacks coach.
2. Start QP.
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!

I have high hopes for QP, but it's obvious he's not yet a polished passer. He played in a run-first attack in high school and needs time to marinate and develop. And that's OK. Trevor Lawrence is a once-in-a-generation player, it's an extremely unfair comparison.

The schedule next season is very manageable. Willis has proven himself as a gamer and adept passer. A weak part of his game is real-time reads and mastery of the offense. Provide him the majority of reps in practice with the hopes he improves with those. Then, take advantage of a weak schedule, blow teams the eff out, and become as appealing as possible to program changing (sliding scale) recruits. Hope for a snowball effect.

We all know what's gonna happen. Tom Brady will ride off into the dark hell he came out of and the Patriots will have a terrible year leading to a very high draft pick and who is there to save them but SUNSHINE himself.

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Belichick will trade the #1 pick for a bunch of second-round picks in future drafts, that's just what he does

how much of that strategy is because he has Tom Brady. Alot will change when he's gone.

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I would add, and this is likely implied, we need to get QP as many reps as possible if/when we have big leads (not through rotation of QBs during competitive games), and allow him to actually throw the ball. I am as tantalized as anyone about Patterson's potential, but 10 wins and the Coastal crown are the goals vs. our cake 2019 schedule. One of our more veteran QBs gives us a much better chance to reach those goals. I am confident QP's time will come, but I agree he LIKELY won't be ready in 2019.

Given what happened last season I think the goal should be to try and keep the bowl streak alive at this point...

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My goal for next year is a defense that is not embarrassing.

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I think a more realistic hope for 2019 is 8 wins and the Coastal crown. Only 2 regular season losses is too small a margin of error for what will STILL be a team playing a lot of non-seniors, and 8 wins could very well win the Coastal in 2019.

I'd like to see the backups throughout the roster, including QP, get some reps in some blowouts.

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There are a few good reasons QP should start next year.

Trevor Lawrence winning a natty as a true freshman isn't one of them.

But it does lead to the discussion of coaches buying into young talent as the director of the offense. I get that Trevor and Tua and Fromm and are special talents- but if you have guys that can play, play them.

Lawrence and Fromm both had top level QB coaches their entire lives and played in a balanced pro style/spread systems in high school where they put up monster passing yards.

QP ran a run heavy veer offense in high school and never had much passing development. Develping passing skills takes time.

I hope the last year has meant enough in terms of development so he can take the reigns and do what we all expect he is capable of, but there is a good chance he is not there yet.

It got real offseason real quick on here this year.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

If he's the guy, he'll go out there and EARN the spot. Nothing is owed or given. You play the best guy at the position, period. Once they are on campus, the star ratings don't matter. If he wants the job, he needs to go out there and take it from JJ and Willis.

Well, hopefully, we see some of it in the Spring Game this year.

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If he can't win the QB competition at VT, he's certainly not winning the CFP

Huh, couldn't hear ya...my headphones were on.

There's a reason Dabo made that decision...I'm guessing.

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The best player should start. If that isn't QP, QP shouldn't start.

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I'm not sure there is a clear best player sometimes when skill-sets are so different. Willis and JJ both have limited athletic ability, and if QP can throw for 2,700 and rush for 750 that may give us a better chance to win (****if the defense can improve***) even if he isn't the clear best player.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

I'm not sure QP would be able to put those stats up next year. Also if he's throwing 2 picks a game, those stats won't win us more games (regardless of whether the defense improves or not.)

We don't know what's going on in practice. We don't know what's going on in the meeting rooms.

If Patterson beats out the other QBs then sure he should start. Isn't that how starters at all positions are chosen. Patterson by all reports does have above average athletic skills, however he has no extended game experience in high school or college against strong competition. The Illinois high school schedule he played in was not even close to the ones faced by Tua or Lawrence. The learning curve may be longer before he is ready to start.

Unless you are Motu!!! Right Crow!!! /s

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If QP is not the starter, then I really have to question our coaches ability to either 1) develop talent or 2) evaluate talent or 3) being able to coach the system.

To me, it was clear that Willis had traits that made him the better QB for the system/team than Jackson. I fear our coaches are going for the comfortable choice (experience, seniority, etc) than really working to prepare the guy with the greatest potential.

So if we don't start a redshirt freshman, the coaches are terrible.

Got it.

Let me add in that this would apply for Hooker as well. QP and Hooker are Fuente's guys. There are traits within both players that Corny and Fu have honed in on as it is a good fit within their system. Especially regarding HH, if he or QP are not at the top of the QB competition, is it not rational to think that our coaches are not preparing guys quick enough that have the hand selected skill set to fit the scheme? It shouldn't take 3 years to get a guy ready to take snaps when he fits the mold and just needs to learn the system.

How many QBs did Fuente recruit at Memphis that didn't start their R-Fr year and never started? To expect every QB that Fuente recruits to be a heisman candidate is unrealistic.

Josh Jackson was a redshirt freshman when he first started under Fuente - why are we pushing back if QP is ready to play?

Because maybe he isn't?

But if he isn't then it goes back to my original point of it being back on the coaches for not getting guys prepared in one aspect or another.

So what you are saying is that every recruit should be ready to go after 1 off-season S&C program, one set of spring practices/spring game and 2 fall camps (and 1 red-shirt regular season)? And if not, our coaches suck?

High school bodies are not ready to play P5 college football for the most part. The college game is faster and more complex than the high school game.

I didn't check but I am pretty sure that Alabama and Clemson did not start 22 r-Fr and some of those upperclassmen were first year starters.

I did not say every recruit - I am specifically referring to our QB recruits. Other positions - specifically defense, o-line - require some physical maturation before a P5 full game beating can be endured.

Clemson had 15 (9 on Offense, 6 on Defense) guys that had 2 or less years of experience in their 2 deep. Alabama had 19 (10 on Offense, 9 on Defense) guys that had 2 or less years of experience in their 2 deep. The high school game has evolved as well - in addition to kids getting more 1 on 1 exposure at camps, training, etc. It's all evolving at a similar pace.

If QB is not the starter, then I really have to question our coaches ability

If our QB isn't a starter next year, I'll question our coaches ability too

Based on how Willis played against P5 teams, my confidence in the coaches dropped some. JJs biggest downfall is his lack of athleticism and arm strength. When we have ACC caliber athletes you could just see the difference against him. Willis has the tools to be a P5 QB but it's up to the coaches to put him in the position to maximize his potential. I can't believe Willis wasn't the starter at the beginning of this season.

Disclaimer: this is my opinion and your may be different.

This causes me to worry about what they are looking for in the QB. My suspicion is that Fuente values someone who will do exactly what he tells the QB whether that results in a sack, a pick six or a touchdown. I think Fuente wants a QB who only does as instructed. I dont think Willis is interested in a robotic style of play. Fuente looks at it like that undermines his authority. JJ will just do what he is told to do. No extra read, no improvising. The problem is that a lot of players are driven by their instincts and their athleticism.

My suspicion is that Fuente values someone who will do exactly what he tells the QB whether that results in a sack, a pick six or a touchdown.

Why does Fuente ever tell our QB to throw a pick six? He should tell them to throw a touchdown every pass! :) /s

I don't think Fuente would tell a QB "throw a pick 6". But I do think he would tell a QB to make a certain decision and to not deviate from it, whether that RESULTS in a good outcome or a bad one. I know you are using sarcasm but just wanted to throw it out there.

I can. I still have no confidence in Willis going into the off-season. Either J.J. or Quincy will be the starter come August. Mark it down.

Unless QP is the clear cut leader then this is a lose - lose proposition for Fuente. If he doesn't start him and we struggle next year everyone is going to be yelling for QP. If he does start him and QP struggles everyone is going to be yelling that he is starting QP too early.

For me, I want him to start QP. Not because I feel he is our best chance to win next season but because QP is our best chance to win the season(s) after next. That doesn't mean I am already looking past next season, rather it's a chess move. And what he did with Lynch at Memphis was amazing. It took some struggle for Lynch to get there though.

I think if QP starts and struggles I don't think anyone would blame Fuente for it. I'd much rather grow as a full unit rather than each individual player at a time.

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I think if QP starts and struggles I don't think anyone would blame Fuente for it.

If QP struggles for more than a game or two the posts lambasting Fuente for not being the QB guru he's advertised to be will come in so fast your head will spin. Especially if those games are against teams outside of the top half of the Coastal.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Especially after a full spring and pre-season practice/QB race.

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really? I guarantee fans will lose their shit over it. I would put money on it.

guaranteed 100%.......or in recruit commitment percentages 10000000000000000000000000000000000000%

We just need a great quarterback next year...no arguement there. Could be QP, could be HH, could be Willis. Let's start the greatest.

JP

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If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I get 'the best player should start' argument, and any other season would agree.

However, just consider how terrible our schedule is next year. There have been many excuses over the slow build of the offense because 'we've started a new QB each year.' If QP is going to be the future, we may as well get him out there instead of kicking the can another year and having a new qb start game 2 against PSU in 2020.

We have ODU, Furman, and Rhode Island to start the season, maybe a home ACC game in there also. Doesn't get much easier. We should win those games regardless of who starts at QB.

Yes we should win those games regardless, but what about the conference schedule? Do you change who is QB for those games? How will the locker room take it when the coach isn't playing to win, but to cater to one player? How will the seniors handle the coach not taking the season 100% serious for a guy who has been there a year vs them who have been there 5 and put in the time? This is a recipe for disaster. It is easy for some fans to say they would take a down year to get a chance at a higher year, but you aren't the ones who have been giving your all in the program for 4 or 5 years.

The argument that he played Lynch at Memphis is different. He was tasked with turning a bad program around and planning for the future. The demands at VT are to win now. We have the talent on the team to win now. If you haven't seen it, the goal is to go 1-0. His job is to do everything he can to go 1-0 each week and that means playing your best players.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

We have the talent on the team to win now

After this last season, I think we can improve defensively, but to expect a miraculous turn around is a tad crazy. I don't have any expectations for this team to win now next season.

Our offense could be special though and we have some pieces in place, QP could be the person that puts them over the edge.

With the right guy at the helm, the offense could carry the team if the defense doesn't do a complete 180 after this past season.

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We have the talent on the team to win now.

I disagree

If you haven't seen it, the goal is to go 1-0. His job is to do everything he can to go 1-0 each week and that means playing your best players

It does, and I think QP can easily become our best QB. He really doesn't need to do too much to get there. JJ and RW aren't Kelly Bryant or Jalen Hurts. However, he does need to take some game snaps to do so.

If QP is good enough that we didn't take a QB in this class, I don't doubt he could be our best option to 'win games now' by the time the ACC schedule rolls around next year.

We have the talent to win every game on our schedule next year except probably ND. Execution is a different story. The Coastal is a total crap shoot.

It does, and I think QP can easily become our best QB. He really doesn't need to do too much to get there. JJ and RW aren't Kelly Bryant or Jalen Hurts. However, he does need to take some game snaps to do so.

I think he can become out best QB too but if he isn't, he shouldn't be the starter. I am not arguing his potential at all. I think he will get snaps in those early games which should be blow outs but the improvement comes from hundreds of repetitions in practice in spring, summer and camp, not from 15 pass attempts against Liberty and Rhode Island.

The argument that QP should be the starter no matter what is very different than he could be our best QB by week 1, 4 or 8....

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Our defense was a dumpster fire last season, and by sprinkling in a couple of Juco's we are magically going to turn that around?

I have low expectations going into next year. We could certainly be better all around, but I need to see it before I get on that hype train.

Offensively though, if we have the right guy pulling the trigger we could go from good to great offensively.

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All of those young guys got game experience to improve, which is the entire premise of your argument for playing QP. The defense will be better. The DBs need to physically develop and also to improve technique.

Down to the part about the QB, if we do have the right guy pulling the trigger, I agree we can go from good to great but if QP is not the best QB on the team at the time, we will go from good to mediocre.

You are jumping back and forth between QP possibly being better than the other QBs and just playing him regardless. Those are 2 extremely different scenarios.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

We have ODU, Furman, and Rhode Island to start the season, maybe a home ACC game in there also. Doesn't get much easier.

So with ODU in this list, the /s was implied, right?

After watching the National Championship if QP is as billed he should start. If you have a special QB it's better to start him sooner rather then later. Get his feet wet and let him grow with our young offensive players.

Here's my issue with this narrative. Tua and Trevor were starting because the coaches believed (correctly) that these QBs gave their team the best chance to win NOW. They didn't start these QBs just to get their feet wet for the following year. Trevor beat out Kelly Bryant because Dabo decided Trevor was his best shot to win the championship this year - not because he was looking at 2019 or 2020.

I was thinking last night about how we freak out about players transferring, especially potentially QBs.

Clemson had a 5-star QB transfer in the offseason, then it's 2017 starter who led them to the playoffs transfer. Then they won the national title.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I'm pretty sure nobody would be freaking out if we had some attrition due to the signing and enrollment of the #1 overall recruit who is highly regarded as a generational talent at the most important position on the field.

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

And a 5* backup who led them back against Cuse.

Has anyone mentioned yet that QP should start, only if he is the QB on the roster that gives us the best chance to win?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

All this talk about Elite 11 QBs....

I'll just leave this here.

Holy shit, Google is sentient

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Speaking of Elite 11, looking thru the Wiki page, it's amazing how many of those guys have switched schools along the way.

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I'm pretty sure isaiah ford played wide receiver

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Remember that time Nick Saban didn't start Tua Tagovailoa over the course of an entire season and then got credit for starting him early?

Remember that time Justin Fuente started Paxton Lynch for all 12 games of his redshirt freshman year and people still questioned if Fuente would be willing to start a young QB?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Only difference this time around is our fan base doesn't seem to have the patience needed to weather the immediate pain that may be necessary to develop a QB for delayed success. If we have another sub-par season, Fuente will be looking over his shoulder. Sucks that Fuente has to factor in potentially losing his job when making decisions about what's best for the team.

...our fan base doesn't seem to have the patience needed to weather the immediate pain that may be necessary to develop a QB for delayed success.

I wonder how much of that is from having seen a redshirt freshman come in and take the program to previously unforeseen heights? Might our expectations for redshirt freshmen QBs be a tad high?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

A lot of comparisons here to Tua, Lawrence and Fromm. QP doesn't need to be as good as those guys. He needs to be better than JJ and RW, which is a much, much lower bar.

And the "play the guy who gives us the best chance to win games" thing is questionable to me. I can see a scenario where QP isn't the best for 2019 but he makes us much better in 2020.

But Fuente may not see it of he goes 5-7 in '19. He has no other choice than play the best qb at the present time.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Yep, sure, I get that.

I look at that 2020 game vs. PSU and think I want a seasoned guy taking those snaps. If I'm Whit, I probably give Fuente the 2019 season to set up the 2020 season.

It doesnt have to be all or nothing if he is close to ready. They could try a two qb system. If QP shows progress he could win the job outright by end of the season. Can't be the wild turkey BS though...he has to be able to operate a full offensive system even if it is run heavy. But who knows, by August he may win the job outright anyway.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I'd feel a lot better about the prospects of a run heavy offensive system if we had dependable running backs. I'm afraid we might be in for a Jerod Evans situation next season where our QB becomes our only legitimate running threat.

Agreed, I would be pleased with QP taking over/sharing with JJ this year and JJ staying as his backup/mentor the next two years.

Personally, I don't think he's gonna be ready to throw the ball at a high level. IIRC he played in a high school system where he only threw the ball 20% of the time. And Chicago public schools aren't exactly football powerhouses. Quincy was 1 for 5 passing this season and they placed him behind Hooker in the depth chart, so he was 4th when everyone was healthy.

He's got the tools to be a great QB, but that won't happen overnight. I'd be surprised if he's ready to start next year. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see him being there yet.

You start the QB who gives you the best chance to win NOW. Tua gave Alabama the best chance to win NOW. Lawrence gave Clemson the best chance to win NOW. They weren't given the starting roll because they were the future, or because they were promised it during recruiting, or even because they had the highest upside. Tua and TL were both the best option at QB.

Fuente should start the person he thinks gives VT the best chance to win on gameday - whether that's JJ, RW, HH, or QP.

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Counterpoint: If starting QP gives a much greater chance of winning next year, along with moderate expectations of success this year, I say you start him.

If you're looking at missing a bowl this year to get him experience, then no. But if you're looking at maybe a game or two difference between QP and RW/JJ, along with a > 2 game improvement next year, then go QP go!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Counterpoint: If starting QP gives a much greater chance of winning next year, along with moderate expectations of success this year, I say you start him.

A few issues with this counter point:

  1. If a player is making any major technique changes, you often don't want to put them in the game before their ready; it disrupt their efforts to correct their technique and can result in bad habits. You wouldn't play in a competitive tennis match if you were reworking your serve, you wouldn't change your jumper in the middle of a basketball season, and if a Quarterback is trying to drastically change his throwing motion, you probably don't want him playing in game while he's still learning his new throwing motion. If QP doesn't have the technique down, he shouldn't be playing outside of a limited playbook.
  2. Related to #1, you don't get experience just by being out there. You have to be able to learn from those mistakes. By all accounts QP picked up the playbook quickly, so that's good, but if he's not able to quickly learn from mistakes in practice, then he's not ready to do it games. If he was quickly learning from mistakes in practice, then he'd probably be good enough to be the starter. Since he's not the starter, I'm assuming he's not learning from his mistakes fast enough.
  3. Tied into the previous point, It's impossible to predict how much playtime (much less quality of that playtime) is required to get X wins next year. You can't say "45 snaps this year will get us one extra win next year" - there's just no way to accurately predict the opportunity/cost.
  4. Finally, you definitely risk losing the locker room if you don't put the best player out on the field, especially at a position as critical as QB. Those guys want to win now. Seniors want to win now. WR's want a QB who will help them look better to NFL scouts. You can't bench the guy who's best now because you think the next guy might be able to lead a successful team.

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Objection!

If QP playing with the practice squad/lower string allows him to develop a rapport with the guys who he will actually be playing with, then let it ride.

Though I am 100% on board with investing in a future that has a big blinking QP billboard on it.

I can get on board with this. Next year's schedule is very favorable for QP to jump in and get experience, and win games. If the 2020 year is in fact "the year" that the team/program identifies at being competitive and a good shot (on paper) at making the ACCCG, give the kid a year of experience and roll with it.

Just going to point out again that there's a really good chance that Tua actually gave Alabama the best chance to win last year and yet he only saw mop up duty until the second half of the national championship game. Even the greatest coach of our time, if not in college football history, was likely making the wrong decision about which QB to play for nearly the entire 2017 season.

It's easy to forget about since Alabama ended up winning the title, but they lost to Auburn while playing Hurts at QB, didn't make the SEC championship, and squeaked by Ohio State into the playoff (Wisconsin would have made it over them if they had won the Big 10).

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This isn't accurate. Tua and Trevor were chosen because they gave their teams the best chance to win on Monday night....meaning the championship game....especially Trevor because Kelly was still the better option when the change was made if Dabo was worried about the now.....that's shortsighted and Fuente can't think like that if he ever wants to compete with Clemson....if he fails at Tech he'll get another chance. He'll have to go back down but he'll get another chance....he needs to make decisions as if he has nothing to lose because that's how you get this team to the next level....it may not be QP but if he thinks struggling for a year with QP gets back to the ACCCG then he should choose that and hope the powers that be have patience.....

Disagree, Trevor was outplaying Kelly earlier in the season and Trevor actually gave Clemson the best chance to win by week 3.

Furman:
Kelly 11/17 132 1-0
Lawrence 9/14 137 3-0

TA&M:
Kelly 12/17 205 1-0
Lawrence 5/9 93 1-0

Ga Southern:
Kelly 7/10 68 0-1
Lawrence 12/19 194 1-1

GT:
Kelly 6/10 56 0-0
Lawrence 13/18 176 4-1

Oh boy... I mean do we know if Lawrence was coming in and playing mop-up duty late in games against 3rd stringers?

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Lawrence played in the second quarter of the Furman, TA&M, GA Southern (score was only 7-0) and GT (score was only 7-0) games (based on scoring plays in the box score.) It was clearly not mop up duty in 3 of the first 4 games (and I don't think it was mop up duty in the Furman game, either - but its Furman.)

I strongly disagree with this. Clemson isn't beating A&M without TL. And to Dabo's credit, TL earned the starting job when he proved that Clemson needed him to win. Perhaps Tua could have started earlier, but Bama put him in when they played a team that they couldn't beat without him.

These coaches weren't playing for the future when they made these changes. They were playing for wins right now.

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I completely agree that TL earned the starting job, but he was not why they beat A&M. A&M made the comeback as TL struggled through his 2nd half series and they put Kelly back in who led the drive that ultimately won them the game. They may well lose that game if they kept TL in.

The A&M game was the only game of the 4 that TL didn't out play (or at least keep up with) Kelly. He earned the starting gig in games 3 and 4 (especially 4.)

Yeah the GT game was where he solidified his spot for certain.

Also Trevor's passing stats will look better because Kelly is a run first QB....I wasn't saying Kelly gave Clemson the best passing option. Kelly gave Clemson the best option at winning early in the season....without the shared qbing Kelly would have given Clemson 150-200yds passing and 50-80yds rushing....they would have still went undefeated....the difference is the result of playoff games....instead of dominating, the squeak pass ND and are in a tossup on Monday.....I'm not sure that Trevor doesn't lose a ACC game early or A,&M....

Counterpoint : Lynch and the Memphis turnaround. The reason we hired him. We are not the dumpster fire Memphis was but we need a turnaround. He proved starting that developing a QB through a down year can lead to program defining success playing the long game.

QP will struggle but maybe not as much as Lynch did but I'm willing to play the long game on the right QB to get VT turned around and back in championship games.

I don't think that was a move for the future - I think Fuente really believed Lynch was the best available option in the 2013. I really can't think of a single time where a coach started a lesser QB with the intention of sacrifice short term success for long term success.

Now, coaches might make a SYSTEM change that requires the team to take one step backwards in order to take two steps forward, and it's possible that you may have to play the lesser QB because that QB's skill set better fits the system of the future, but that's a completely different situation IMO.

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I really can't think of a single time where a coach started a lesser QB with the intention of sacrifice short term success for long term success.

It is literally this instance.

You need to go back and read more about him selecting Lynch. It was over experienced QBs that were serviceable. Lynch was not the better QB in 2013. Fuente got a lot of shit for the selection and throughout the next season as Lynch struggled to learn and get the game to slow down. Fuente made the decision that was best for the team and program though. Not for the team now but for the team tomorrow because he needed a truly adept QB that had the reps and experience from buying-in.

It seems like everyone is assuming that the only way to get QP ready for 2020 is to have him start in 2019. I think that if JJ/RW give us a better shot of winning in 2019, you have to start them, even if it's only marginally better. We have a legit shot of winning the coastal in 2019 with all of the coaching turnover and such. QP will still improve throughout the year by being on the scout team/strength and conditioning for another year/getting garbage time playing time. Yes, real game time experience is the best teacher but it's not like he wont get better throughout the year by playing behind one of the other two guys.

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I think I know where he is coming from.... I understand the whole "play who gives us the best chance to win" but if Quincy is suppose to be our QB in the stable with all the accolades and high expectations, I am all for starting him now and getting him as many reps as possible. Plus, I don't think any of us expect a for sure 9-3 or better season next year.

My thinking is if Jr. and Sr. Quincy is better with reps in his Soph. (and maybe Freshman) year than a Jr. and Sr. Quincy that rides the pine/be a backup until JJ and/or RW graduate, then sign me up.

I get we played freshman and some sophomores, mainly on defense, probably too early by default (injuries, dismissals, NFL, etc) and we saw the downfalls because of it, but the QB position is the position that can make a team/offense exponentially better.... See Tyrod Taylor.

I think we all agree 2019 isn't the year to say "watch out", so why not play him and get as many real game reps in to get ready for 2020 or 2021.

Just my .02.

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Plus, I don't think any of us expect a for sure 9-3 or better season next year.

You clearly missed all the posts in the Fuente and Staff thread saying that anything less than 10 wins next year is a disaster and at a minimum puts Fuente on the hot seat.

I think I would actually appreciate them saying that lol

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You clearly missed all the posts in the Fuente and Staff thread saying that anything less than 10 wins next year is a disaster and at a minimum puts Fuente on the hot seat.

You aren't far off base... Have you seen next years schedule? Anything less than 9 wins with that schedule would be a disaster.

Is it basketball season yet?

If QP is truly a contender, he should see some time with Willis next year. He doesn't have to start NEXT year to get us to the next level. Until Hooker announces his transfer, I still hold out hope he helps this offense. We are still screwed at RB until 2020. Go Hokies!!

No way QP beats out Dewayne Lawson for the starting role. Not gonna happen.

I hear Dewayne Lawson is looking to transfer to Illinois so he can play with Dwayne Lawson.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The way to early top 25 rankings and this thread really need to at least have the spring game behind them. I feel like we will definitely know more after that game, as we will have 4 QBs going in a battle, unless someone heads out before then.

Just feel like that will be a good indicator of what we could foresee next year.

Did you guys see Dalton Keene this year? No way QP is getting significant playing time over him next year

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If I'm a senior playing my last year for the Hokies and the coach plays the QB that may not give us the best chance to win now because he may be the best in the future I'd be pissed. Thats how seasons tank.

Look there is no way QP will be ready by next fall, I mean it's going to take him more than 9 months to grow those lush golden locks that Lawrence has. Did Fabio grow his hair in a day? I think not. It takes time to get there. We just have to be patient with him.

One major factor that has yet to be discussed about QP: he's a freshman engineer, who has always seemed incredibly focused on his academics. Which, if Fuente is half the good dude we know he is, is likely the reason Quincy wasn't asked to learn the full playbook and be fully ready to take the helm this year. He's been allowed time to develop as a STUDENT athlete. And given that we have good enough other QB options to guide us through 2019, and sophomore engineering classes are some of the toughest (or so I've heard), it's likely that Quincy is not the starter next year. That is what is likely best for him as a STUDENT athlete, and probably best for the team overall. If he were a communications, sociology, HTM, or HNFE major like most athletes, yeah, maybe he'd be good to start next year. But he took the hard road, and so we as fans need to respect that and be patient.

1) he was in freshman engineering classes this year, no? 2) if not and sophomore engineering classes (first semester ones at that) are still what prevented him from learning the playbook, then he's never going to have time to learn it

Just accept the fact that all the scouting reports on him are accurate: he has raw talent that needs time to develope. He wasn't ready to start last year, and having seen him throw, doubt he will be refined enough to be beat JJ or Willis next year. Just give him time

This, his junior classes are going to be the hardest and he should either be playing by then or phased out.

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I've been saying this all season to my friends. Fuente does well when he's able to develop a young quarterback over a period of several years. The question Hokies need to ask is do they want to win now without long-term gameplan or develop Patterson over the long-term and not win now. As disgustingly humiliating as this season was, I'd much rather go with option 2. Although starting either Jackson or Willis will give us a second year under these guys, another year of practice and improvement in the offseason I hope, there's no indication that either player will play so much greater that they could propel us to 10 or 11 wins next year. Willis will be a redshirt senior next year and Jackson will be a redshirt junior. If both exhaust their eligibility before Patterson, that only gives Patterson two years to start (I believe my math is correct, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) if he doesn't transfer before then. I'd much rather start him next year and have him as our starter for the next 3+ years. Although we may sacrifice winning big in the short-term (although we may not if he's at least 3/4 as good as Lawrence, Tagavaloia, or Fromm), we will definitely strike gold in the long-run if Patterson is as good as he's projected to be. It's unlikely that Willis or Jackson will produce 10-11 wins next year anyway so there's really not much to lose by starting Patterson who now has a year shadowing Jackson and Willis and an offseason to practice and master the playbook. After what I've seen and heard, I truly believe Patterson is the next great QB in Virginia Tech football and I'd rather not look back and regret that we wasted his potential.

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QP has a chance to be the starter, but it is more about his physical abilities being in sync with his mental abilities - specifically being accurate enough to fully run the show.

QP has offense down similar to Jj. Knowing the playbook isn't and won't be the issue. Everyone knows he was raw and more specifically raw as a passer. He has all the talent in the world and is a great kid.

My opinion is simple. Make sure QP gets reps to develop and challenge him to work as hard as possible to develop as a passer and even more physically (bc he can). If he is the best player next year play him. If he is not keep developing him as he is worth the investment as long as he puts in the work.

VT will have 3 QB's who have talent and some with experience. If QP wins the job expect him to be good as I don't think they will play him because he is younger.

Play the player that gives us the best chance to win.

My opinion is simple. Make sure QP gets reps to develop and challenge him to work as hard as possible to develop as a passer and even more physically (bc he can). If he is the best player next year play him. If he is not keep developing him as he is worth the investment as long as he puts in the work.

Its simple but the correct approach. The reps come starting now though. His development to fix any technical issues/accuracy is going to be in the off season. Voluntary workouts, throwing with the WRs, Spring practice, etc.

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The question Hokies need to ask is do they want to win now without long-term gameplan or develop Patterson over the long-term and not win now. As disgustingly humiliating as this season was, I'd much rather go with option 2.

The problem with this mindset is that recruits who are looking at us next season aren't going to be thinking like this. They will want to see a team that is going someplace. After this year's 6-7 campaign they will rightly be wondering if this was a bump in the road or a sign that VT is on the way down. The team does not hang on one player ... but if we have another mediocre season next year and it causes good players to cross us off their list, that will be a far greater long term negative than any positive of having a QB with an extra year of gameday experience.

We should expect both. On the field in live games isn't the only way to develop a QB, especially when we don't know exactly what the coaching staff perceives his deficiencies to be. If its mechanics, live games are not the best way to learn. If its grasp of the playbook, live games probably aren't the best way to learn.


Those backup QBs, so hot right now

So do the same thing that Fuente did with Paxton Lynch at Memphis?

Say hello to a 3-9 season like Lynch's first year at starter.

Counter point: Jalen Hurts should start next season.

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I fully expect QP to win the QB competition over the Spring. I frankly will be disappointed if he doesn't win it now that Hooker and JJ are portalling.

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Willis will start his Senior year and then Quincy will take over. QP will get to be the back up this year. I'd be shocked if this isn't the case.

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Willis can be a backup, he was last year before he took over.

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No one is questioning Willis' ability to be a backup

Prepared to be shocked.

I have a feeling Fuente will stick with Willis. He stuck with JJ last season despite Willis seemingly outplaying him in the spring.

You can say that again.

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I have a feeling Fuente will stick with Willis. He stuck with JJ last season despite Willis seemingly outplaying him in the spring.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Do you have any additional insight here or is it just what you are hoping for? Have you seen practices or talked to people around the program? Just curious.

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Why? There's nothing pointing to that, it would be dope if he did and played well but there's no evidence he's ready to lead the team next year

Fuente will start the best player. If QP beats out Willis, then the future is bright. If Willis wins out, it doesn't necessarily mean QP is failing, it could mean that Willis put a ton of work in during the off season.

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Fuente will start the best player that gives the Hokies the best chance of winning..

FTFY. Not necessarily the same thing.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I agree, Willis has arm strength, accuracy, and he runs the ball well. All of the things that are hard to teach. His biggest weakness is making good reads in the passing game. I feel like making reads can be coached. I'm surprise so many people think Willis has reached his ceiling.

I hope that QP is so good that he has to start now, but I think Willis could have a really good year with work over the offseason,more experienced receivers and defense and an improved O line.

Willis runs the ball well when he gets in space. His stats were mildly better than Jackson's were for running the ball yet seemed a lot faster. Jackson seemed to make the correct read but looked like his feet were in molasses. Willis looked much faster but some times made the wrong read.

If QP sucks or is a bust, it may be the end for Fuente. That said, Fuente is likely coaching for his job this year, so I'd expect him to start Willis.

For the longer term good of the program, it would at least be wise to let QP throw a few times against this horrible schedule we play this year. It's pretty shocking he only threw like 4 times last year and HH had zero attempts.

QP is not Lawrence or Tua. He should get playing time and it should be managed responsibly. He seems like a smart young man and that will go a long way. He's big and that's great. Let's not throw him to the wolves. I expect Willis to be the starter but I also expect to see QP frequently.

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Maybe we can do a Turkey Action Pass. I don't know what that is, but I bet it would be cool.

We will definitely see some Wild Turkey, its just a matter of whether or not it is celebratory or consolatory

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thanks for this!

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I agree completely, if he doesn't win the job, let's get him some solid change-up work. That can be effective if executed properly.

If he wins the job straight up, then let the wolves come... and to his benefit, the wolves on our schedule are a smaller, less intimidating sub group of the wolf population... might even just be coyotes for the most part.

If he wins the job straight up

Yes.. If he wins the job straight up I don't really consider it throwing him to the wolves. I consider it throwing him to the wolves if RW is better but we start QP "for the future".

Agreed Selhini. I don't get this idea honestly. Most of this board is lamenting not winning certain games. Winning is about playing the best player right now.

If QP wins the job - he is the best player right now. Fantastic. If not he shouldn't play based on some perception of hype. This is foolish and would be incredibly disheartening for the entire team. You could also damage the progress the kid has made and would make until he earned the starting position based on his play/practice not the fan base idea because he was a highly rated recruit (based on potential).

Get prepared for him or to not be ready next year. He has a long ways to go in the passing game. He is all the things people have said and could be great, but he is a different type of prospect than the play now kind of guy. That's just how it is and any other idea isn't fair to QP and isn't productive for the team.

With that said I hope he progresses faster than I anticipate and wins. All the better, but only play the best player that put you in a position to win he next game. Otherwise - You will lose the heart of any team.

Absolutely. Once a QB gets in their own head it's really hard to get back out. Nothing would be worse than a QP who is physically ready to play, mentally (as in understands the play book) ready to play but is psychologically hobbled because we put him in the game too early and put too much on his shoulders.

I still have high hopes for QP. I have never been on HH train. It's probably my bias as an engineer, but a kid with his size and those grades and the desire to be an engineer sounds like a good package. I also think he looks more confident under center. My impression of HH is that he's a good athlete but maybe isn't as into the "academic" part of the game.

I'm expecting Willis to start and QP to get significant reps, being ready to take over in 2020.

FWIW not sure where else I could write this. QP is no longer an engineering major, he switched to Business Management. Should help focus more on football now!

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At Clemson the ME weed out class is Statics & Dynamics, every other Engineering major takes them separately.

Statics was just fun. I don't think I did better in any class all 4 years. Is that really considered a weed out class?

What was your major? Depending on which class you took it's not just statistics and probability it gets into a whole lot of calculus dealing with probability density functions.

statics isn't the same as statistics.

I agree with the sentiment: statics = fun/easy.

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Sorry. My bad.

Read that wrong. I know, I majored in Engineering.

So... Here's the deal with statics for me.

I did horribly in the class then turned around and tutored friends the next semester and was like, "Why did I have a hard time with this".

Sum of forces x + sum of forces y + sum of forces z = 0

Done.

Maybe you were just living in the moment.

Sorry for the late dad joke, but it was worth it.

Yep. Took both. I think I got an A in statistics as well, but statics was the fun and easy one.

I agree that it was an easy class as far as engineering classes go, I was just going by the fact that my statics class had about 25 people in it and only like 6 people graduated with engineering degrees (I went to JTCC for engineering and transferred to VT). There were plenty of harder classes, but I think most people switch majors because of statics.

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I personally hated statics and barely scraped through. Actually had to withdraw from Deforms I was so bad at it. Did much better on my second attempt.

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I actually enjoyed statics and deforms but thought my ESM professors did a poor job and made a relatively easy subject matter seem overly difficult.

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Yeah I think that was a contributor. I was advised to try to get a certain professor when I retook deforms and it made a world of difference. My friends in ESM all loved the guy I had the first time, but my fellow MSE peers had a much easier time with the 2nd guy.

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Deforms is for sure much harder. I am taking a biomechanics class at vcu right now and it has been pretty much all of statics deforms in the first 6 weeks. I have a test on Tuesday, wish me luck.

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Statics and deforms weren't bad. But back when I was in school they still made the civil's take Dynamics. I remember joking that if my bridge is a moving body, I have been fired and there is a heck of a lawsuit.

I took dynamics in community college too. I think the curriculum is kind of ME based in those transfer degrees, or at least it was at the time. Now I'm getting my MS in biomedical engineering

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Probably. ME is such a broad field and probably the second oldest after Civil.

Good luck! You'll do fine.

There's a reason why engineering is referred to as "Pre-Business"

That's what they told us our first day of classes.

And Business was referred to as "Pre-Communications".

That's kind of sad, seems like engineering was really his dream. Hope this was a decision/result he wanted, not one that was forced upon him.

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If history is any indication, there's a good chance it was "highly suggested" he switch to a business major and then later in life, post NFL or not, if he still wants to be an engineer, then he can go back and get his engineering degree and combine his business knowledge with it for success. Which is not a bad plan, really.

As for myself, if I could go back to school now and go for an engineering degree at 33, I'd be smarter and a lot more mature than when I tried to be a materials engineer and ended up switching to Geography/GIS 16 years ago. Holy shit it's been a long time since freshman year.

I was a bonehead and took all these in one semester:

Statics
Differential Equations
Vector Geometry

I somehow survived and went on to graduate with a degree in Computer Engineering.

Engineering at VT is hard as hell. I totally breezed through my AP classes in high school and then got a HUGE dose of reality the second semester of my freshman year.

For the most part, engineering is a full-time job at VT that leaves little room for anything else. There are people who manage to major in engineering and do other things and I absolutely commend them for it. They are few and far between.

You sad, strange little man.

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I totally breezed through my AP classes in high school and then got a HUGE dose of reality the second semester of my freshman year.

LOL. That's all too familiar. None of the HS classes, including AP, were challenging. Get to VT in some of those first level eng courses and its like "Wait,you mean I can't just review the material the night before and be ok? I have to try now? That's not how this works! That's not how its ever worked!"

Trust me you can just review the material the night before and be ok, depending on your definition of ok. I graduated!

I can confirm. While I didn't take it quite as lightly as the guys who would start drinking before night tests so they wouldn't be behind when they partied after, I didn't put in much more effort than I did in HS (read very little) until maybe fall semester senior year (4006 will get after ya). the "weed out" classes were the most fun because they just made sense and if you could learn how to do it all without the crazy amounts of work, they were a breeze.

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I started taking it seriously because I wanted a job and needed better grades. Freshman year I got a C in calculus where 30% of the class was homework, and I didn't like doing the homework. I got high grades on the tests and maybe got 5/30 on home works.

I had calc in high school and we went more in depth than VT did. Trig substitution for the win!

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Man, I feel this. I took statics, multi-variable calculus, and physics II all during spring of my freshman year after a pretty easy fall semester. That was a wake-up call to how engineering school was gonna kick my ass if I didn't fix my work ethic.

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I was dumb for taking Digital Design 2 as a sophomore (its a senior level capstone class)

As an EE that was def not the optimum choice. If I remember Digital Design 2 was a lot of programmable logic.

Actually the programming wasnt bad, I had programmed for years at that point and I seemed to grasp the fact that everything was concurrent a lot quicker than the comp engs. It's not like C where command execute in order, all the commands execute at the same time since you are making changes to actual hardware. My work ethic as a sophomore sucked.

After college I worked on highly concurrent processing systems so I've seen a lot of stupid errors made with non-thread safe code. Based on the developers I've interviewed and the work I've seen done, I think it's an industry wide difficulty so having college kids not catch on as quickly as I did isnt saying anything bad about them, if you passed that class you are probably better at concurrency than 70% of the developers I've met.

I've always been good at weird things like concurrency and recursion. I'm basically the werido that's better at E&M than mechanics in physics.

Most of my problem was that I wasn't a good student. I was WAY too immature. I got somewhat better later but more or less knew I could pass most of my classes by getting As on projects and bombing tests. So I basically didn't study. Also, I could totally bomb a test but a person I tutored for the same test would get an A. IDK.

It basically doesn't matter now.

But I agree with your assessment on thread safety. Interviewing developers is pretty frustrating for me. I'll interview an alleged JAVA developer and my first question is very simple,

"If I want to work with a file, what can I do to make sure that file is closed no matter what happens."

I can't tell you how many people fail to say, "Use a finally block or use try with resources"... Even after some prompting!

I haven't dont much Java myself but there seems to be tons of bad ones where they cant answer basic stuff about the language.

It comes from the belief that because JAVA doesn't have pointers it's easy. Quite the opposite is true. In JAVA everything that is not a primitive is technically a pointer because everything is a reference (which is why you are always using new).

There's also a significant difference between a coder/developer and a true software engineer. Software engineers should be adhering to sound engineering principles like all engineers do.

100% agree to the developer vs engineer. I look at developers to know the language while I see the engineer know the whole picture, the processes, the architecture, how to debug basic network problems becuase your service communicates over the network so how have you never used wireshark to see what was going on!

Please, no one is a bigger bonehead than me. Took Statics during the summer, talk about information overload 😳

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Good choice. I flunked out of engineering but my regret isn't that I couldn't hack it as an engineer, it's that I didn't go into the business school.

God I would hate to be an engineer.

Hey now... What would you do without me providing water and sewer designs for the masses? :)

Ah the field where being a shitty engineer is preferred.

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So wrong dude.... not easy to doo, dude clearly knows his shit.

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According to my young nephew, I was a poo poo engineer.

I feel like either you are wired to think like/be an engineer or you aren't. I'm glad I'm not doing anything on the business end or that involves tons of personal interaction.

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Don't be surprised if QP is beat out by someone else not only this year but in coming seasons. Kadum may be the real diamond in the rough. Not saying it will happen but it is definitely
possible.

Not afraid to say nope to this one. Kadum is a high-quality backup. He will run the team when needed if a QB1 goes down but with too much film on him, defenses will figure him out.

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Also I really believe Fuente's future is tied with QP ability to play.

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I'd be very very surprised if someone other than Willis ever beat out QP. I've been told that his football IQ started out extremely low, but the coaches continued to throw something at him every week, and he had no trouble picking it up. Apparently they figured he would be like most other freshmen and would hit a wall around week 4 or 5, but he kept making significant progress until close to bowl prep time when he finally slowed down a bit. My friend said he was pretty close to putting it all together and has flashed some very serious potential on several occasions. Said he doesn't think it will happen in the spring, but he wouldn't at all be surprised to see it click during the season.

Based on what I've heard and seen, QP is basically the college football version of Giannis...he's either going to be prolific talent or he's going to crash and burn, nothing in between.

Go back and watch the Elite 11 show he was on. It's on youtube now. All they do is talk about how he was going to need patience and time, but that the ceiling was incredibly high because of his physical tools and ability to absorb information. A lot of the basic concepts of running an offense were brand new to him there. It did not sound like the guys working that camp saw him coming in and winning a starting job by his R-Fr year.

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Yeah. I believe you probably have more depth to the information you have, but for what it's worth here is what I have heard.

As far as IQ and QP's ability to develop and apply his new football knowledge it was above and beyond expectations throughout the season (with their expectations being what you said albeit it high for him) I have been told that some of the coaches are ecstatic about the potential he displays with putting the mental game together 100%. Essentially exactly the same thing you said.

I was also told his passing game abilities are still VERY inconsistent and the speed of the reads and applying that knowledge with the necessary throws just isn't there yet and it's still pretty far away. Although this isn't what people want to hear there is consistent progress and the coaches believe he will get there (dare we say tebow as a viable comparison).

Basically, the synopsis I got is that he is what they thought with possibly an even higher ceiling. However, the fan base needs to be patient as he was and is a project that will be worth it if he keeps working. Putting him in too early is something everyone is very sensitive to as it poses real risk to his future success.

That said - he could exceed expectations as to the pace he develops. He could also go slower and I believe it's important to play the long game in his development and the coaches are committed to pushing him to develop as fast as possible, but they will not sell out to play him if he isn't ready.

Basicslly exactly what I have heard

You guys are in vehement agreement. This is good news and hearing the same thing from 2 seperate sources adds some confirmation. Spring game will be interesting, 1st fall game will be full of intrigue. Thanks for the news to you both.

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Dude, I know that our spring game matters only to us. That's why I said its interesting instead of something more profound. Its interesting to us, VT faithful. Do you really think VT fans aren't interested in seeing a glimpse of the QB competition we get in April? Really?

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No I think they are very interested and wish it was on TV so more could see it, like it used to be.

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I would be okay with Hokiesports streaming it via the website. Sort of a trial run for the ACC network production staff.

and make it only open to Hokie Club members. Incentives...

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If he is progessing the way you guys describe, I see no reason why he shouldn't be on the field. The only way he is going to get better at the reads and what not is by doing, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, against other competition.

One thing I can say from my time at Tech, is that the coordinators can script a practice to look as good or as bad as possible. Stinespring would often wait to hear the defensive call before he put his offensive play in. Not saying that goes on now, but hey if it's determined the defense wasn't practicing well that week, it could be used as a motivator of "hey your not as good as you think you are". How do I know that? I had to chart the plays.

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I could be misreading but it seems like they are saying that his throwing mechanics are inconsistent which won't be helped by throwing him on the field.

I was talking about this part

the speed of the reads and applying that knowledge with the necessary throws just isn't there yet and it's still pretty far away

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The throwing mechanics are going to continue to be worked on during practices.

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Yeah, I get that but trying to think about and mechanics and reading the defense at the same time is tough. I'd think it would lead to limited progress on the physical/mechanical and poor throws—the head tying up the feet.

You can try to Coach mechanics out all you want, but when a player gets on the field and is under duress, they tend to revert back to their old ways.

You can certainly coach some of that out, but it will creep in.

Tebow is a perfect example. He tried to fix his delivery and worked on it. He finally sees the field in the NFL and he always reverted back to the old way.

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Tebow also performed at a high enough level to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in a playoff game.

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so did blake bortles. and tebow completed less than 50% of his passes in that game. I wouldn't put to much stock in that. every dog has his day.

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Agreed. I just like taking shots at Steelers fans when I can. Obviously Tebow was a terrible QB in the NFL.

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If he is progessing the way you guys describe, I see no reason why he shouldn't be on the field. The only way he is going to get better at the reads and what not is by doing, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, against other competition.

Hard disagree. I will reiterate what I said in a comment above:

  • If a player is making any major technique changes, you often don't want to put them in the game before their ready; it disrupt their efforts to correct their technique and can result in bad habits. You want to make sure they develop the correct muscle memory before putting them in a competitive situation. This is pretty standard across most sports (football, tennis, basketball, baseball. etc)
  • Players don't get experience just by being out on the field. They have to be able to learn from the mistakes they make. If QP is not able to quickly learn from mistakes in practice, then he's not ready to do it real games.

If QP is the best option to win NOW, then he should starting now. Otherwise, he should continue to practice hard, and go in for garbage time/special packages.

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I think with a prospect like QP, comfort level is something that is very important to his development. The coaches have a very clear progression plan for him, and they have had success sticking to it. They don't want to jump too quickly and throw too much at him and run the risk of altering his trajectory.

I think Fu knows that his future at VT is probably pretty closely tied to QP's success, and as such, he is handling him very cautiously.

This is why Fu is coach and not me (among other reasons).

My handling of the QP situation/hype would be:

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Makes sense. Would be interesting if one of the other QB's would exceed expectations over the next 1-2 years to push him even more. Maybe Willis can take a big step forward in the spring/fall camp - tbd I guess.

I agree on the cautious approach in this situation. This is a long-term project - just my viewpoint though.

VTfootballgrad - I don't really agree with your assessment of this means he plays. That is a very black and white thought process to view this situation. The only real conclusion is that he is progressing and needs to continue to do so to realize his potential.

The pace matters, but for some reason people tend to think putting a QB on the field will always speed up the progression. I don't agree at all and especially in this circumstance. This runs serious risk and not focusing on developing, but more pure short-term risk management with everyone from the passing game to the rest of the offense.

Unless QP is ready and by ready I mean the team can win with him under center then he shouldn't play. He is not ready as of today. That shouldn't be a negative to people as this was pretty much expected. He might get there, but it is more realistic to think it will take another year of work. He has a solid chance to be an extremely successful 2-3 year starter. That shouldn't be defined as failing because people are in a rush.

Offensive play sheets for practice were completely scripted and printed out hours before practice. The coaches would mess with each other on occasion, but rarely was Stiney sitting there watching Bud signal in a defense and then making a call. I know because I would sit there and pick out which plays I'd want to run and sub in for them.

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Plenty of times when they went live in scrimmage situations where I would be standing next to Stiney waiting for the call to write it down, and he gave the play well after the defense call went in and he cheated a bit.

Moe was big hit for the running QBs ;)

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Fuente's in no position to foster QP's growth through live game reps if that means churning out another uninspiring 7-8 win season.

If the question is "What's the quickest way to make Quincy Patterson a first round pick" then not only should Fuente start him in 2019, he should also give him every rep during the off-season.

Fuente is tasked with something more complex. He has to figure out "How can I build this program into a national championship contender". Fuente just brought in a very solid recruiting class despite back to back disappointing seasons. He has to know that the on the field product is hurting him on the recruiting trail and being hamstrung by bad results for a third straight year will kill whatever momentum he's gained.

Simply put, Fuente can't afford to start Quincy in 2019 and watch Quincy struggle to find his sea legs. It could legitimately set the program's championship hopes back a decade. He'll start Willis, try to develop "his guys" on the Oline and at the skill positions, then rely on Foster to improve a horrificaly disappointing defense. If Willis makes decent improvements while the defense avoids giving up 50+ yard runs at a shocking clip, the team is poised to have a big year due to the easy schedule. Fuente can get Quincy on the field, build some hype for the future, then try to use that momentum to bring in some big time recruits. If in 2020 Quincy is the real deal... Fuente has a chance. That's the road map.

I agree with everything except for the misconception of 'back to back' disappointing seasons.

Finishing in the top 25 should never be considered disappointing.

I agree. 2017 was only disappointing if we had finished with that record with Jerod. Without Jerod it was an overall good performance.

Also, people need to get over this narrative that 2019 is an "easy" schedule that should have us expecting 9 or 10 wins. Yeah, it's an easy schedule if you are Alabama or Clemson.

But in reality, it's basically the same schedule as 2018, except we replace William & Mary with Rhode Island, Marshall with Furman, and FSU (5-7 in 2018) with Wake Forest (7-6 in 2018). And BC, Miami, Notre Dame, GT and UVA are all away games in 2019. We may not be solid favorites in a single away game next year.

We should be improved because our defense will be almost completely made up of experienced starters, instead of rookies who weren't ready for prime time. But 8 wins should be an optimistic goal, 9 wins would be fantastic.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Some other thread I went over this, but BC loses a lot of players (basically they have Dillon and the QB on offense and like a mlb on defense), Duke has no offense left, GT loses a lot and is changing schemes so who knows. Pitt is losing all but Center on their line and their top 2 RBs, and a WR and more than half their defense. Miami and UVA return the most players and should be the hardest games by far. So there is room for some optimism. Outside of ND I think UVA is the hardest game, mainly because of their QB.

There is no doubt Perkins is a dangerous QB and makes the entire team perform at a higher level. They don't seem to have a start at RB and Zaccheus is gone. Joe Reed is still dangerous.

I'm less worried about Miami than I am about UVA. Miami has talent but they can't get their s**t together. They need a culture change and I'm not sure Mr. Turnover Chain is going to make that happen.

ND is going to be a fight.

This is a bit of an overly optimistic approach to the way things are going IMO.

There isn't a single game on our schedule that we shouldn't be favored in this season with the exceptions of UM and ND... And possibly BC since its the first game of the year.

Even with very little improvement on both sides of the ball, 8 regular season wins should absolutely be the expectation with 9-10 being attainable. Anything less means that there is little to no progress over last years product.

Is it basketball season yet?