OT: Marvel Phase 4 and other announcements

Time to geek out. At ComicCon, Marvel announced its Phase 4 projects with some dates and details.

Movies:

Black Widow - May 1, 2020
Eternals - November 6, 2020
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings - February 21, 2021
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - May 7, 2021
Thor: Love and Thunder - November 5, 2021 (Natalie Portman returns as Jane Foster who picks up Mjolnir to become Female Thor!!!!!)

Also announced but no date given a reboot of

Blade (!!!)

Disney+ streaming service shows:

The Falcon And Winter Soldier -Fall 2020
WandaVision -Spring 2021
Loki-Spring 2021
What If - Summer 2021
Hawkeye -Summer 2021

Back to movies,

Kevin Feige also confirmed that Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and Captain Marvel 2 are coming but no dates were given. And to finish it off, he teased Fantastic Four and X-Men saying (paraphrase) "I didn't have time talk about Fantastic Four or the mutants"

Now excuse me, I have to go clean myself up

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Didn't Cap take Mjolnir back in Endgame when he returned the stones, which I would assume still ends up getting destroyed by Hela?

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Stoked for Natty P's return.

I'm really surprised that Black Panther 2 is so far off. Before Infinity War, it was one of Marvel's best grossing films. I thought it would be one of the first films to get a date in Phase 4.

One thing I think they learned with Iron Man 3 and Thor TDW is that they're better off developing the overall story with new characters than going back to the goldmine every two years. They'll go back to Wakanda when it suits the second saga because they can cash in and prop up the other movies at the same time. Playing the long game.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Yeah..Coogler has a lot on his plate right now and I'm hearing that they may bring Kilmonger back and Namor the Submariner was teased in Endgame so he may be the villain in the new Black Panther

They pushed Shang Chi up because of the success of Black Panther. They decided to try and cash in on the Asian movement, so wonder if that pushed some of the other projects back a bit.

Whoever did the casting for the Marvel Universe (other than the first 2 Hulk movies) should get an Oscar of their own.

Does this mean Kat Denning is back? Cause she was the best two things about the first two thors.

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Think I'm gonna take a break for awhile.

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As admittedly not a huge MCU fan in general (the movies are good, just not a big comic book fan), I am most excited about Mahershala Ali rebooting as Blade. Love love love the first 2 blade movies. "Confusion" thumping at the Bloodbath is an all time opening scene

They are pushing Disney + hard

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

It's honestly the only streaming platform I think has a chance of competing with Netflix.

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I dunno man. If all the networks and studios pull their content from Netflix, I don't think the original stuff will keep them afloat. I mean, what chunk of Netflix streaming goes just to the office and parks and rec? Netflix built their niche on letting people binge network shows that the networks didn't know enough to hold on to. Now that they see the value, their own platforms are going to take up the binge-worthy shows and cut Netflix off at the knees.

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The majority of streaming platforms will fail. People will pay for one streaming service. But fragmentation will kill this model. Nobody is going to subscribe to six or eight streaming services, because at that point you're paying as much as you did for cable. I fully expect a lot of these studios that are pulling their content from Netflix to come back to it once their own streaming platform fails. Meanwhile, Netflix made the smart investment in developing enough original content to weather the storm. Sure, there's a lot of people who just stream The Office, but there's a lot of people who come for Stranger Things and Dark, etc.

But the one company that has the wherewith to be a true Netflix competitor in terms of having enough original content to justify the cost of another streaming service (or convincing people to dump Netflix for another service) is Disney. The Mouse can take on anyone.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I agree. There's plenty that Netflix has to offer without some of the network stuff, but there aren't as many that are offering the breadth of content Netflix does. Keep in mind, they're also international with plenty of multicultural programming.

Disney+ will more than likely offer plenty that you can't get elsewhere, with strong content, in multiple languages. You can't say many others will be able to offer that. Heck, NBC, Fox, and ABC have all cancelled content that got picked up by Netflix.

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I've got Prime Video (due to being a Prime customer) so that's not going anywhere, unless they make the mistake of spitting it up and charging separately. I also have had Netflix since the DVD mailing years, so that's not going anywhere; their menu of original programming is second to none. I also happen to have two kids under the age of 5, so Diney+ is probably coming to our household.

All the other streaming platforms that want to charge separately for their sevices can go to hell, for all I care.

What the other studios haven't realized is that Disney is the only one with name value. No one cares about which studio owns what movie or show.

Given how short Phase 4 is (2020 and 2021), can't help but think that Feige is attempting to set up some pretty big things for Phase 5 and beyond.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

The calm before the Galactus storm.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Hopefully they grab all the Marvel shows from Netflix (maybe reboot Iron Fist since that one blew). At a minimum DareDevil and Punisher need to be bak

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At a minimum DareDevil and Punisher need to be bak

I second Punisher (plus, it's one of my porn names).

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Gotta say... I'm not really fan a of these mostly unpopular franchises (cosmic entities and what not) but I also said the same about Guardians... So we'll see how this works out, I'll give it a shot

Same. I'm not that excited for any Phase IV movies other than Dr. Strange (the Thor movies with Natalie Portman just weren't very inspired). It probably worked out better up to this point that they didn't have the rights to X-Men, Spider-Man, or Fantastic Four but if the movies continue to focus on more obscure characters with increasing frequency, it might be hard for me to maintain interest in the MCU.

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the Thor movies with Natalie Portman

I counter with Taika Waititi on why you should be excited for next Thor movie.

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I'm hoping Portman can work under the unrestrained style of Taika Waititi. With her skill for deadpan, I could see her being hilarious in the best way possible.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

With her skill for deadpan, I could see her being hilarious in the best way possible.

That was her acting?? Oh, I thought she was just being herself.

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if the movies continue to focus on more obscure characters with increasing frequency

That was going to be happening regardless of how the story inside the universe played out. Eventually, the A and B list will get played out, so the obscure characters are going to have to be mined.

I dunno, some of the quote/unquote second tier characters have translated into the best movies (looking at you, Guardians) while the headliners have made some duds (Hulk, Iron Man 3, Thor 1-2). It seems like when there's a bit more freedom and you aren't as constrained by CANON and BE TRUE TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARACTER, they can make a better movie because they aren't trying to hit all these wickets. Nobody's starting a Reddit flame war because Rocket doesn't repeatedly say "Blam! Murdered you!" like he did in the comics (although it'd be badass if he did). And honestly, once they get the mutants in, I'm more interested in seeing them make a movie about the dysfunction of X-Factor Investigations than Wolverine brood and bicker with Cyclops. Again.

I'd love ArchAngel to get in there. So X-Factor would be cool. Or even the 2010's XForce with Wolverine as the leader and Angel included.

As much as I love Wolverine, there are so many other storylines they could follow.

OH MAN, X-Factor and X-Force would be amazing! ArchAngel is one of my all time favorites.

I have heard that the Doctor Strange Multiverse movie is more or less going to be a horror movie.

According to the director at the comic con panel he said it was going to be the MCU's first "scary" movie.

I hope they're planning to drop Doctor Strange into a Lovecraftian nightmare.

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As a Kim's Convenience fan, I'm happy for Simu Liu, especially since he had been campaigning for the role.

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Disney doesn't have the rights to make a Hulk solo movie.

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But they have some sway. If Disney/Marvel wanted to have a Hulk standalone movie, they would find some way to negotiate with Universal to make it.

They can make it, but Universal has distribution rights. In other words, they make a movie for a competitor to profit on.

Damn it Disney, stop being greedy and get my dude back in the MCU

There may be an awkward film in the meantime where Spidey wears a hoodie (no Stark Tech) and Happy is strangely absent with no explanation... but I bet they'll come to an agreement eventually. Neither Sony's Spider-Man nor the MCU will see great results from the split.

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Would not be shocked if MCU just evolves Peter Parker into another role using more of the Stark technology and no longer calling himself Spider-Man.

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I don't know if this is really a case of Disney being super greedy or not. Previously the SpiderMan split was 5% Disney, Sony 95%. But from what I've read, Disney did a lot of the creative work for the MCU Spidey films while Sony just basically paid for production of the movie. If that's the case, I think its reasonable for Disney to ask for a higher split of profits. 50/50 might be too high, but it should be more than 5%.

Whatever the case, Sony needs to get back to the table. It's gonna piss me off if Spidey is out of the MCU after two really awesome films. I don't want to see another do over like those Andrew Garfield movies.

Sorry, that's a bit off. Partially supporting your argument and countering.

Disney received 5% opening day gross, not 5% total. However they retain all merchandise and other revenue streams. I'm not making the argument for either side, there is way to many unknown inputs to the revenue streams.

Disney was also willing to pay for 50% of the production. So it wasn't quite give us more money. Now some reported they wanted 50/50 on all spidey stuff like venom 2, sinister 6, etc. But they would pay for the right to make more money.

I feel like it's more Sony not realizing exactly what Disney brought to the table. I mean, they still think they can build a cinematic universe around Spider-Man's supporting cast and that the Sinister Six can headline their own movie.

I think they will lose more money by trying to go at it alone than just giving Disney a bigger cut.

Mr. Sinister is coming at some point as well. I really wish they would get into some of the stronger villains a bit more. There are more powerful ones than Thanos and Galactus. Movie wise though I can understand that they are playing the long game.

Also, I'd love to see Disney delve into the darker side of Star Wars. There could be a ton of movies based on the Sith alone.

Speaking of Thanos

I'm looking forward to seeing how Deadpool goes with it. I know they already made the Cable/Thanos joke in the last one, but now they're officially a part of the same universe and they can really lean into it. I'm also curious on how they bring him in, because there is no way they don't use that cash cow in the new world's MCU

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I wonder how PG-13 Deadpool will be received.

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I would find it hilarious if they went with the kind of censoring they use on The Good Place when he's on the team-up movies. But of course, still keep it R when its a lone Deadpool flick.

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I am pretty interested in seeing the Mandalorian, and will probably sign up for Disney plus just for that. Yet another monthly auto pay, and will probably have to do the CBS one once the Star Trek Picard series drops.

Yep, Disney will have my $7 a month on Star Wars alone. I'm in a high tier PS Vue subscription that I can't seem to give up. The price keeps going up and I have multiple services that have now reached the point of costing more than cable. I have hard decisions to make.