LSU continues college football arms race with new locker room

This is pretty sick, including sleep pods for players. I guess the multi million dollar VT locker room that is less than 10 years old now is a slum by comparison. I hope Whit and Co. have a plan to renovate soon to try to keep up. "Facilities" are very important to recruits.

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They sure know how to pepper the gumbo down there.

To me the bigger recruiting pitch is the players area donated by a LSU NFL alum. But if you think Tech can even get close to something like that you are nuts.

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Tech has plenty of money. If sleep pods are a deal breaker, we will have sleep pods soon.

There isn't the space in Merryman to create the locker room and athletes lounge like this. They have enough money? That would be news based on last two years worth of financial information.

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They will totally re-do the current, ancient, 8 year old locker room if they have to. They will gut it, and re-do the same space with sleep pods, etc. If Fuente asks loud enough, they will find the money- they always do.

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Situation and past experience with capital projects suggests as DC claims that a locker room and player lounge like LSU's could easily be done. It's a message board, write a message.

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To be fair, we probably could do this, but most of our big donors are contributing toward big capital projects on the academic side. So we could be like LSU and say screw academics and woo fuball, but it's important to keep things in perspective. I do wonder though how the fundraising efforts for the extensive Cassell renovations are going to go over the next few years.

One would think but as my three examples earlier showed it's just not the case. ACC control room room a loan from the university, new weight room and office renovations is just getting under way and Merryman renovations haven't even been fully funded. Now we need to add Cassell renovations and I've heard rumor of some medium renovations to spaces at Lane. For the crowd that says money isn't the issue I'd like them to explain these delays then.

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Well as I said, we are trying grow tremendously on the academic side right now, and a lot of donors are pouring resources into that first and foremost and not athletics. Not that that's a bad thing at all, but again take an LSU or another school whose fan base is truly football first, and that's where the priorities lie. If Goodwin Hall wasn't needed and the administration convinced him that new football facilities were needed, I'm sure he could come up with the money. But we are focusing efforts almost fully on academic capital projects which seem to never end.

I think a more interesting question is what would provide more benefit to recruiting (our team's weak point): The new weight room, or expanding support staff/recruiting budget. I think the latter would be better, but I'm admittedly quite ignorant about the ROI of different athletic department decisions.

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Why don't you post the financial information you're seeing and let one of us with a financial background dive into the numbers a little deeper, then. Numbers that you've posted in the past have simply been revenues vs. expenditures, but been inclusive of capital expenditures, which completely throws off YoY numbers and isn't inactive of the overall financial situation.

IIRC, last I saw, the AD was >$4M in the black last FY. We're clearly by no means LSU, but we're not in the poor house, which seems to be the running sentiment.

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Why don't you post the financial information you're seeing and let one of us with a financial background dive into the numbers a little deeper,

Why don't one of you with financial background do the legwork, find the numbers, and look through them instead of posting what comes off as a condescending response to HokieFireman?

Chill out. It's not condescending. Financial and accounting data, like any data, can be used to tell whatever story you want. FM regularly posts about the financial situation of HC and the AD, but whenever quantitative data is posted it is very high level, and like I said in my OP, has included things like CapEx, which is going to fog up the real situation.

If I were posting as regularly as he does on the financial well-being of either program, sure, I'd 'do the legwork' in order to ensure what I was posting is accurate....which is exactly why I asked him to post the numbers he's referencing - to do just that. I'm genuinely interested atm.

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Here's how argument works: you make an assertion, you support that assertion with one or more facts. Pretty simple. An ineffective means of argument is to say something like "we can't afford that" and support it with "if you don't believe me, look it up yourself." I don't know why so many people cannot seem to grasp this.

I agree which is why I'm willing to post monetary information I have access to. I've already pointed out three capital projects that didn't "easily get done" as dcwilson asserted a new locker room and player lounge could be done.

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I'm out and about running errands today so can't currently but will. But I'll leave you with this. The last three capital projects: ACC control room (required loan from university) Merryman dining room renovations (still doesn't have full funding that's been made public), weight room and office renovations (finally being started). Those were massive needed projects and Whit can't get funding for them in a timely manner, but he is going to have no issue expanding Merryman footprint for this project and funding the actual technology and upgrades inside?

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Thanks for posting this saves me a lot of time. So looking at the last two graphs for the last three years: in 2016 Tech was just under a million short and in 2017 2.5 million short. So yes as I asserted Tech doesn't have the operating budget to build this locker room or players lounge. Now if you want to say it would be a capital project and not under normal budget you would be right. However as I've pointed out Tech has struggled at times to get donors to pay up for needed capital projects.

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With our freshman class of like 19,000, we definitely should have the money based on the high number of sports fees from them.

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This is so insane it is difficult to tell this is even a locker room

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I am sure that pods in the locker rooms sounds like some sweet swag to new recruits, and if it gets us some new recruits, then put 'em in! But, my immediate thought when I read this was, throughout school, I'd been in a number of FB locker rooms. Never once did I stop and think what a great idea it'd be to curl up and take nap in a sweaty locker room. Just sayin'.

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I was wondering this too. Also, I can imagine those pods becoming a stinking cespool pretty quickly. It seems like there are already a million tvs in a locker room. Does everyone having their own ipad in their pod really make things better?

Heard Clemson is putting sleep pods in the buses they drive around the stadium to run down the hill.

Now we know why Louisiana has trouble funding things... All the money goes to one place.

The fact that the Louisiana post secondary system almost shut down but was saved by the fact that LSU boosters realized they would not get a football season was one of the most infuriating things I have ever had to deal with as a son to two people to met at and went to LSU.

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So, its a train wreck about to happen. We dont need to chase that train.

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Aside from the vomit inducing color scheme that is pretty f'n sweet!

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1) how in the hell can you sleep in a locker room if people are moving around?

2) I don't see it being comfortable

3) it will have to be a big f'ing pod to fit linemen.

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TBH I'm kinda sick of the facilities arms race around things that aren't really important. Upgraded weight rooms and training facilities? absolutely. Good locker rooms? Fine. But when we start getting into multi million dollar facilities with nap pods, and gaming stations, and putt putt golf...?? We've gone too far. If that's what convinces a recruit, I don't know that I want 'em. I'll probably be accused of being a grumpy old man, but If I'm seriously trying to make it to the next level as a player I care about the training facilities, the staff, and the food. That's just me though. I realize not everyone is going to the league, but is this college or a fancy summer camp?

I hear what your saying. I think it's important to understand that facilities are one factor in a recruit's decision, not the only thing. And I don't think this is that ridiculous; I'm graduating from grad school in two semesters, and recruiting (for a full time job) will start soon. I'm not going to act like the quality of the facilities doesn't matter to me - there's a reason why everyone wants to work at a cool tech company with ping pong tables and free lunches in the office.

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I have no illusions that facilities don't matter or that it's the only factor, but the millions of dollars that get pumped into these things, while other important things around campus are neglected, isn't a great look. And I get that people want to work at those kinds of companies, but, as somebody who works at a company like that, it's really not all it's cracked up to be, and the more you're around it the more you realize how trivial it all is. Companies use stuff like that often to distract from the fact that they could be paying you more, offering better growth opportunities, or any number of career related things.

The problem is that in recruiting you only need the first impression to be amazing. By the time they realize it's all trivial, they're signed and have been playing football at that school for some amount of time.

So really it doesn't matter that at some point you realize it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Unless recruits talk to actual players about it. But I think it's just exhausting spending millions building the biggest, best, and newest to impress 17 and 18 year olds, and in 8 years you're out of date and old news. It will never end so long as the schools with the most money insist on continually going over the top. At a certain point, aren't we expending valuable resources, repeatedly, just to have the coolest stuff?

Unless recruits talk to actual players about it.

So this is a flawed premise because all the current players are going to be encouraging the recruits to come there. It's the same story for the vast majority of former players. Most of these guys have great memories of their time playing for their school and there's just no reason to ever downplay anything their school has to offer.

*ALL* of the current players will only be encouraging recruits to come and won't be honest about how the fancy locker rooms are nice and all, but not that important? Didn't we recently experience that there are plenty of players who won't just be pitchmen to recruits? Also, I could be entirely wrong, but I'd like to believe that there are plenty of outgoing players or current players that will be honest with a young kid about the whole thing, good and bad. A lot of these guys have close personal relationships with recruits, idk that I believe they won't cut through some of the recruiting BS when they talk to them.

What we went through last year was not the norm and it's been hurting us in recruiting this cycle.

Most schools did not have as much bad pub last year from former players and obvious locker room division. It seems like we were able to rally the team together, but the damage was done and now it's on the team and the coaching staff to prove it's an anomaly.

That's why if I'm Justin Fuente, I'm signing 20 players this year anyway. So be it. Recruit over people. The big boys do it. If some Juniors/Seniors are only playing special teams, politely tell them to seek the portal, or else we have the same damn issue 4 years from now. 1/3 of a recruiting class likely washes out. 1/3 of 7-10 total players washing out in a class will kill a program. But yes, it "appears" we are not going into this season with lingering player issues like Hill, Adonis, Mook, etc. all that mess seems to be clean now.

Were you expressing this same sentiment 8 years ago when the Hokies got a new sweet pad that was pretty cushy by 2010 standards?

Leonard. Duh.

I likely expressed no sentiment at all about it, but it's hard to say. I was a starting my sophomore year at Tech. But as adults (I'm more of a pseudo-adult) we should probably recognize that this never ends and is another step in the always escalating war of football recruiting, while other facilities rot away.

Just another reason to do a European model where there are no sports associated with the school and professional athletes compete in minor leagues only.

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I think certain bylaws could be introduced to prevent income from students tuition to go to athletics if a certian dollar value is met each year by outside donors wouldnt be a bad way to prevent this style of crap from happening. That way if its say Alabama and they make a stupid amount in pure donations to the athletic department the tuition from the students would be going towards academics instead of an already bloated athletic department.

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To be fair though, NFL players donated the money to make this locker room happen. It wasn't coming from tutition.

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I saw that and I dont have an issue with that but for things like that the school should look to keep its educational facilities up to date, I know things have changed over the years but theyre still educational institutions first not athletic franchises. If youre gonna charge 30k+ for a year of classes the facilities should be top notch in my opinion, maybe thats why I went the other route into trades instead of college.

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That's up to the state government for funding.

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I can tell you from experience- around the DC beltway primarily- is that those cool tech companies with ping pong tables are typically small shops that feast on 8A/minority contracting set asides and then either go out of business or are purchased by one of the big guys once they graduate from 8A. At Booz allen, Deloitte, Lockheed, you are going to be hotel-ing it for office space or you will be in a cube- unless you are being recruited for a Director/VP type position- which you are not going to be by the aforementioned small guys with the occasional free lunch on friday- woo hoo. Again, this is DC- the economy here is Gov Con, and that is your typical office environment. Now, I can't speak for Silicon Valley, but they have hot shot developers there living with each other in shipping containers to avoid 4 hour commutes. PS.. in the DC area, real benefits- like health care, 401K etc are pretty standard among the big tech companies and they are not great anymore by any means. They suck even more at the small companies that usually have the pool tables and fruit trays... just an FYI.

Yea I was talking about the Valley, or even some of the more successful tech start ups in Atlanta. If you're in consulting, it doesn't matter because you travel so much for work, but you still get to stay in nice hotel rooms and eat on the client dime (spent 5 years in consulting - this was one of my favorite parts). Anyways, I'm obviously not taking a noticeable pay cut/title cut, or giving up responsibility just to be in a nice office. But I do (strongly) believe that office culture matters, and perks like these impact the culture.

Same thing for LSU - This screams to LSU football recruits that LSU is invested in football. I think the issue is that it also shows that LSU investing in LSU football, NOT individuals (or their education/life beyond football, as shown by the failing campus).

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I'm also kinda sick of hearing "this will kill recruiting!" No, it won't. It's one tiny tiny piece. And only one school has it. Do you thing EVERY kid will go to LSU??? Do you think they will turn their nose up at our LOCKER ROOM???? The product is on the field. And you get a nice locker room like this as a windfall of winning titles.

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It's a circle though. They have nice things so they get better players so they do better and so they send more players to the nfl so they make more money and get nicer things.

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If you ever had to clean and deodorizer a football locker room you would understand why the pods are a terrible idea.

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pictured: "sleep pods"

but sweet race car beds, guys.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

looks as fun as getting a MRI...no claustrophobic players going to LSU!

Fun Fact: Those sleep pods can double as life rafts the next time a hurricane rolls through and that shit is under water.

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But they aren't in Eastern North Carolina....

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You mean Eastern Tennessee...

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I'm sure the players would rather have this instead of getting paid /s

College football has officially jumped the shark.

Eh, the colors arent great, it would have looked better if they used orange and maroon instead of purple and yellow.

Am I the only one that thinks those pull out benches look miserably uncomfortable and nobody will actually use them?

No, ur not. I agree, i hope the LSU players get cramps, lots of em.

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I'm just waiting for LSU to roll out the recruit welcoming committee (a la Lousville and Baylor) led by everyone's favorite LSU alum, Lindsey Pelas (warning: NSFW)

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