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Um no, how many championships does the men's team have? Pay the women's team more.

If it were this simple, it would already be done. Them winning a 4th title is awesome, but maybe 20 teams worldwide invest the resources we do into our women's soccer team (and 20 is probably very generous). They're being paid what the market dictates. There isn't some sexist board room skimming money off the top and keeping it for themselves because they're prejudiced towards women. They eclipse the men in ticket sales, but the pot of money they pull from for TV rights isn't even in the same arena. For perspective, the 2015 WWC brought in roughly $73 million, the 2018 Men's World Cup brought in $6.1 billion. Sure, the USMNT didn't qualify but those figures at least lend a hand to the idea of why the women don't get paid like the men do. The money, and frankly interest isn't there.

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Yeah I did know all that. But what I dont understand is how is their interest in the men's team? Your number is for the world cup not our men's team specifically. Is it that our men aren't any more of a draw just that they belong to a better club. Kind of like how the Phoenix suns get paid more than pretty much everyone in the NFL, but they arent more popular, they are just part of a sport that has more money for players?

personally I think a great example is the UCONN women's basketball team. They're always dominant, have some of the best talent in the game, but how many games does the casual sports fan watch them play? I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but the reality is that men's sports are simply just more entertaining and will therefore always have more money to distribute around. Most people would rather watch a mediocre men's team because the quality of play is that much higher, even though they're not nearly as good within their own sport.

But UConn Women's Basketball team gets "paid" the same as the UConn Men's Basketball team.

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So UConn is great to talk about because of how much trouble they are in financially that you can find numbers. In 2018, UConn ticket sales for Mens BB were 3.1 mil. Womens 2.4. So there is 100% more interests in the Mens since either there are more in attendance, or people pay more for tickets. However, Mens BB lost 5 million while Womens BB lost 3 million. So while yes in that case Mens is making more money, but they also are losing more money. So why are they spending so much on the Mens versus Womens?

But I just don't understand how US men's soccer has more interest because they dont make me watch mens soccer, it would be the other mens teams that make me want to watch. So let me put it this way. VT in 2018 was 24th in home game attendance, Ole Miss was 30th. Since their capacity is basically the same as VT's, VT is more popular than Ole Miss, yet because they are a part of the SEC, they get more money from their TV deal. So Ole Miss makes their money not out of popularity, but out of association, because the TV deal is for Bama, UGA, LSU, UF, not for ole miss, miss st, vandy. It's not that our men's team is more popular, it's that Men's soccer is more popular and our team is just along for the ride?

I mean correct me if I'm wrong (and I very much could be here) but don't they charge a much higher average ticket price to attend a routine USMNT friendly than they do for pretty much any USWNT game, and they're still able to attract at worst comparable crowds?

My biggest problem right now is that all this equal pay talk is being pointed in the wrong direction. Don't compare it to the men's game. Just don't. Its a different game for a variety of reasons, but the biggest problem right now isn't that women make less than the men, but that the revenue streams for the women's game pales in comparison to the men's. Focus on what we can do to bring in more advertising and sponsorship money to the women's game, and channel that money to training and also the pockets of the players. The USWL has been aired off and on with the Lifetime network over the years. How many people actually knew that? Its like when the NHL was on OLN coming out of the 2005 lockout and people wondered why nobody watched. Well, you're burying yourself on a random channel what did you expect?

My personal opinion on the matter, which I know has been discussed at the international level, is that they need to seriously look into possibly shrinking the field, the ball, and the goals for the women's game. Its not sexist to admit there are physical differences between the size of the average male soccer athlete and the average female soccer athlete. My theory is that if you give the women a game that proportionally fits their average player to the same as you have for the men, you might actually come away with a game that could actually be more exciting than the men's game.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I believe the Women's team is already paid a larger share of their respective revenue than the Men's team, and there is a clause that if the ratio between the Men and Women's teams is not equal, the ladies get a lump some payment to make it even. Of course when I look for these ratio's online, all I get are revenue numbers which are skewed at the moment since the Men missed a WC year, which you could argue is a sign that the gap in total compensation is unfair.

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Focus on what we can do to bring in more advertising and sponsorship money to the women's game, and channel that money to training and also the pockets of the players.

I agree with this point wholeheartedly. The consumer has the power to make at least some impact and that's by consuming as much of the product as you can. Buy tickets, watch games, support the USWL.

As for your second point, I've never heard that brought up but I think that's a interesting point and I hope the powers at be are exploring it.

There was a long-standing gap between revenue generated by the men and women, but that has disappeared in recent years. The women's team contributed close or more than half of the federation's revenue from games since fiscal 2016. Overall, from fiscal 2016 to 2018, the women's games generated about $900,000 more revenue than the men's games. In the year following the 2015 World Cup win, women's games generated $1.9 million more than the men's games. And in recent years, the men's revenue tally also includes the fees that opposing teams pay in order to play the United States.

Source WaPo

Lot of really interesting stuff in here. Their pay structures are totally different, and this discussion is much more complicated than most people are making it, but the revenue thing is just not true anymore, and hasn't been since 2015.

I saw this as well and the numbers aren't apples to apples as the years the Men's team played in the WC, the Men's team revenue beats out the women. I thought this NYT article did a better job of explaining both sides.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/soccer/usmnt-uswnt-soccer-equa...

Doesn't the Men's Team Bring in More Revenue?
In most years? Yes. Over the long term, the more established men's game brings in consistently higher game revenue year over year. (Sponsorships and television revenue are not counted in game revenue calculations; Nike, Fox Sports and ESPN, for example, are "buying the crest," in U.S. Soccer vernacular, not the rights to a single team.)

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the revenue issue is painfully complicated.. there is another aspect not even being discussed and that is all club soccer affiliates pay into the USSF which is the organization that pays the national teams... here there is not even a comparisonβ€” there are 3 divisions of Professional men's leagues plus indoor. These generate a HUGE revenue stream.. there is only 1 real professional women's league as the 2 other predecessors previously failed.. also- the USASA has another several thousand men's teams in the US and maybe a few hundred women's teams that contribute to USASA and ultimately to USSF.. look- it's happened after ea Women's World Cup- "we deserve more money ". .. come watch us play... and then for a game or 2 people show up and then the league folds... if you can't support your own then don't expect everyone else to supplement you just because you can't bring in the dollars through advertising, other league (think MLS vs NWSL), or club teams... overall the game is just not going to attract viewers unless it is at world levelβ€” and to this point - there are only 24 teams in the WWC and only 6 of those could be considered decent...

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Revenue sharing would be solid fix to those issues.

The problem may be outside perception, and realistically a more global perception than U.S., but there are ways to equalize the playing field.

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Viewership is about 4 times more for the men's side than the women's side. Prize money for the women's side is 10 times less than for the men's side. That's a good starting point for justifying some changes.

However, people coming in hot with "EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN!" are ideological bozos who slept through basic economics in high school.

Leonard. Duh.

what's wrong with prioritizing ideology over economics? are we to only live in a libertarian society of liassez faire and not take into account history and societal biases and hurdles? should we continue to oppress the less fortunate and continue to reward the privileged due to their born-status?

(Note: just wondering... no need to really answer and I'm not trying to promote any political ideology)

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Are you for real?

Dude, ideology is nice, but math rules. I really think the women footballers should get a bigger stake. Their current stake could probably be justified if it were still 1999, but the women's game has exploded since then, and their income has not. I'll argue that point all day, as long as the market justifies it, which it does to an extent in the case of women's soccer. How are you going to apply your prioritized ideological principles to the WNBA, where they can't give tickets away? I love Hermione Granger just as much as everybody else here does, but magic wands do not exist.

I'm not a libertarian liassez faire kind of dude, but I would prefer it over some central planning committee telling me what's fair, and what's not. Let the market decide. The market is unbiased, and has no agenda.

Leonard. Duh.

I am for real.

And my point is to point out that the market isn't everything, as you suggest. And it sure as hell isn't unbiased. A free market isn't helping a kid born in poverty like it is helping a person born into an established life of wealth. But, I digress.

My point is that if the US soccer federation wants to pay Women's soccer equal to Men's soccer based on factors other than pure economics, that's an ideology that surely can be achieved. There are several factors that affect revenue that are way out the US Soccer and USWNT's control and many have to do with inherent biases (especially international biases) within the market. If you want to make a statement as the US soccer federation, do it, and the economics will follow.

See green economy for details on how ideology can drive markets.

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Ideology over economics isn't even a coherent thought. There are many schools of economic thought all with separate ideologies. Your expressed ideology includes one of those. It irks me when people come in and make a political statement (in your case a very condescending one), and then end with "but that's all i'm going to say about that because I don't want to be political".

I apologize if I was condescending in any way. Definitely not what I was going for. I'm just suggesting that advancing what one believes can be more important than what the free market suggests.

And when it comes to U.S. Soccer, people keep pointing to revenues as if that's the only thing that matters. And perhaps I was hyperbolic and overstated calling that sentiment libertarian, but it keeps sounding libertarian if that's the only thing people keep suggesting that matters. Letting the market decide outcome, is by definition, libertarian economics. So, I'm just suggesting egalitarian economic policies should also be considered. (Granted, U.S. Soccer Federation isn't a gov't entity, but these are the terms to describe these policies).

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Leg for the response. All good CMM, Would be a great discussion to have with you at Bubs if I'm ever in SD.

For sure. Love Bubs. I actually recently moved to OC, so I didn't get down to Bubs often the last year.

And, yea, I definitely didn't mean disrespect and probably took it a little far for this board, and appreciate the candor of calling it out.

And let's not lose sight of what an awesome job the USWNT did and their epic celebrations.

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I threw you an upvote for expressing your opinion, and not being scurred.

Leonard. Duh.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

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When will they announce the victory tour of games?

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God damn I love rose lavelle, been saying it all month shes the most underappreciated piece in this team so glad she got a goal today

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

YEAH!!! WE OWN DIS SHIT!!! UNDISPUTED!!! #FREEDOM #MURICA

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Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Didn't the one chick from the Netherlands say that the US wouldn't score against them....?

Fam, SHE HAD IT BACKWARDS!

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

Watched it in Cabo, WOOP WOOP!!!!! πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ FAM!

USA USA USA USA !!!

I believe we all just won.... Thank you, friend.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

Even though she just missed on the golden boot, she's still the most qualified on the team.

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Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be objectifying these women, or hell any women on this board. We are better than that.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

I'm with you.

Instead of celebrating the immense effort these ladies just put into their craft to bring us home another championship, we ogle over one of them celebrating. Be better TKP. Be better America.

(Also, everyone should stop posting Barstool Sports shit.)

So don't mention that Rose Lavelle was on Pardon My Take (a Barstool Sports podcast) right before the tournament and she was a great interview? After that I was really rooting for her to have a big tourney, so it was pretty fun watching her kick ass especially in the semis and the finals.

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I forgot you're a diehard PMT guy. Portnoy is a piece of shit. I'll take your word that the podcast is solid, but defending Barstool as a whole is a losing battle.

Thats why i don't defend the whole website or Portnoy. I just don't agree with "don't post any barstool shit here" when there is actually some good content like that Rose interview.

Edit: Also "diehard" is a bit aggressive. I've defended it one time on here and pointed out how popular it is among athletes and people within sports media, when guys on here were saying Barstool only puts out trash and they'll never support anything the website does. Pretty sure it was after i posted an interview they did with Buzz.

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Yeah I can get down with that. I'm interested in this Rose Lavelle interview so I might listen to that at work today.

Yea haven't visited the barstool website in years and i even get the podcast isn't for everyone. I wish they would break away and do their own thing so the stigma well deserved stigma of Barstool wouldn't be associated with it.

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you know what, you're right. I'd hope we can all recognize all of her excellent accomplishments and making the "qualified" joke on a video of her twerking doesn't do that. She is attractive though. Hopefully, I can say that without objectifying her.

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Exactly. Ogling over a video of women twerking posted for the world to see by the women doing the twerking is a shameful act indeed.

Leonard. Duh.

Besides, they probably do a good enough job of objectifying themselves without any help. (Well... ESPN The Magazine helped a little, as seen if you click on the link below. Some folks are of the opinion that this is NSFW. Tread lightly.)

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2016/0705/r99819_3002x4500cc.jpg

(Editor's note...I had no idea that pic was so large and vivid. I'll link it. However, for the shocked-face crowd, that pic was published with several more in ESPN the magazine.... hardly a porno mag. For the downvote crowd... if you think for a second that athletes of any gender, subtly or otherwise, do not use their sexual appeal to push their brand, then you are about as market savy as a 12 week old kitten. Get over yourself.)

Leonard. Duh.

please link NSFW images

EDIT: downvote was for posting NSFW images. I had a similar rant typed out and then decided it wasn't a hill worth dying on.

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bro link that

(edit: thanks for linking. last thing i want is someone at work casually seeing something like that and raising a stink and then TKP getting blocked. at the end of the day, it's still a picture of a naked woman and should be linked)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be objectifying these women, or hell any women on this board. We are better than that.

....Yes.... How dare anyone objectify someone who is performing a dance that, to its nature, invites the objectification itself

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Yea it's her fault. You're right alum. It's always their fault for putting themselves in that situation in the first place.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

yes, that's exactly the kind of broad stroke over simplification of the situation I expected of you

If you dance like you're riding a dick, don't be surprised when people objectify it

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downvote. For fuck sake man, have some class. Women are allowed to dance suggestively just as much as men do and men do it ALL THE FUCKING TIME in sports without the objectification.

Time to grow up and accept that women can be suggestive without your mind making it sexual.

Is this real life?

Man, this discussion would not be happening 2 years ago on this site. This site at its foundation was built on cake vs pie debates, dork magic, and objectifying that lady from harry potter whose name I can't remember, but I guess it helps clear up that i am not arguing for a right to objectify woman.

Men and Women are not wired the same when it come to sexuality, and to think that women and men dancing suggestively can be seen equally is just wishful thinking... To say that men should be able to watch twerking and are expected not to think objectively puts men at a disadvantage, and I believe your lying to yourself if you want us to believe you think otherwise. You are trying to materialize your ideology and that does not make it reality. Why is porn so rampant on the internet, and who does it target? My wife doesn't want to be treated that way, EVER. Every husband (or maybe it is just me) wishes he would be more objectified by their wife, but my wife is just not wired that way. She needs quality time and needs to feel safe first, then I am seen as a source of security and then appealing vs just as a sex object, no matter how I twerk it. Honestly, I would more often prefer to be seen as the latter. I believe you've bought into a lie, and now you are trying to sell it. I teach my girls not to seek being objectified by guys, and taking responsibility for the way they dress and carry themselves. Men need to ALWAYS have self control, and are never excused for crossing boundaries, but Woman need to be responsible for the way they carry themselves around men, and present themselves worthy of respect if they want to be treated respectfully. Where did that lesson go?...But I present it here.

Ya'll can downvote me, I don't give a crap. This is truth, and it is obvious, and why anyone would want to force something else, that is false, as truth is beyond me.

Respect your opinion but your "truth" is dangerously wrong and complete BS.

Discussions on treating women inappropriately have been had before on TKP. Well beyond 2 years ago.

Lets explore your wiring issues:
Why does a woman dancing put you at a disadvantage? Are you unable to control yourself around a dancing woman? Does a dancing woman make your brain stop working? You are so overcome with sexual desire as to not be able to function? Sorry. No. Bullshit.

If you think you can't be around woman dancing suggestively without being at a disadvantage then you are definitely lying to yourself if you want us to believe otherwise. You are trying to materialize a dangerous sexist ideology that makes excuses for objectification that only exists in the minds of people that can't control themselves.

No idea what point you're attempting to make with your wife not objectifying you.

Buying into a lie:
This is where you go off the rails. This has been the argument against men not being able to control themselves around women since ankles were considered too risque and sent men into "uncontrollable urges" as you want to use as an excuse. Total bullshit. Just because you have sexual urges doesn't mean you can't control them. Just because you might think of something sexual doesn't make it wrong but you acting out that desire in a sexist manner does. That's what excuse makers get wrong. It's healthy to have sexual thoughts, it's unhealthy to think a woman deserves your sexual thoughts every time you think them.

There is a line for everyone that makes you think that a woman is dressed inappropriately or being overtly sexual. Yours could be a lot less than mine. But women cross that line on the daily. You have to be mature enough to deal with it without getting "disadvantaged".

And why is it you feel there is no line that men need to have when addressing women they find sexual? You're saying its up to women to not cross the line but obviously, as you demonstrate, some men cannot control themselves a lot less than others. So if your daughter is wearing a dress or skirt that is what you would consider "appropriate" and bent over to pick up something from the ground you would be ok with me saying something rude like "nice ass" or "bend over how i like it baby"? I mean she shouldn't bend over suggestively like that if she didn't want a dick right? She should control herself and be appropriate right? I'm just a disadvantaged man that can't control my sexual urges to say something when a women crosses my arbitrary line of decency right?

Absolute bullshit.

with both sides presented, we can probably just let this discussion die

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

And let this man act like he doesn't know who Emma Watson is?

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My be better comment was to say we need to stop commenting with pics, gifs, and videos that are objectifying women. We have control of what goes on this site. And I think it's our responsibility to keep it off this site.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

You missed my argument completely. I don't have a problem with women dancing suggestively if they want to. I see no violation of human rights there, but they should acknowledge the reaction in men they are encouraging.

I actually stated that men have no excuse for lack of self control in any way, but you missed that.

You said men dance suggestively in sports all the time and an equivalent reaction should be expected when a woman does the same. I say it is not apples to apples and your argument is wrong.

Nah dude. You're missing it.

Women dancing suggestively doesn't encourage you to say or do sexist things. If that's your reaction and you can't control yourself then that's you encouraging yourself. Men don't get a pass because we are "wired differently" or we are at some mythical "disadvantage".

It's apples to apples because we are in charge of controlling ourselves so everybody can be an adult and do it. Anything less than that is a lie and an excuse.

Check my comments. Go way back. What sexist thing have I ever said. When have I ever entered into the objectification of women.

Sexual thoughts are natural , and wonderful in the right situation, but why is it wrong to say that they shouldn't be encouraged in mass? And there is a difference between men and women?

For the record, I see a female soccer player having fun with her gfs, and it happened to get recorded. I have no issue with the player. Just fernleyhokie's comment.

I don't think you personally are sexist. I am not trying to say that you HvilleHokie are. But the "truth" of how you view this is wrong. I am responding to those comments and how they foster a dangerous notion that men have an excuse to be sexist because they were "encouraged", "disadvantaged" and "wired differently". I know you are not saying you excuse men being sexist, but your view that it naturally is that way does.

guys pls

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Men are never ever excused, Never ever not responsible for actions. Just different. My argument is not that men are disadvantage because they are not capable of self control, but that a mans reaction, mental and physical ( chemical and hormonal), will be different in a response to seeing a girl being suggestive Vs a woman seeing a man being suggestive, And I believe not acknowledging that, and implying that that is not true is wrong.

Tkp, I hear your pleas to be released from these comments, I will not respond to this sub thread again

Tkp, I hear your pleas to be released from these comments, I will not respond to this sub thread again

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Dude, your comment was the equivalent of using a tomahawk missile to kill a mosquito. And then it turned out the mosquito was never even there.

Leonard. Duh.

Bad take.

Objectify this then:

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Apropos of absolutely nothing whatsoever.....

(Please see my sig before downvoting.)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

"How dare anyone objectify someone who is performing a dance that, to its nature, invites the objectification itself"

Are you actually saying that she is asking to be objectified? Inviting it? Really? Is it entirely out of the realm of possibility in your mind that she is just doing a popular dance in celebration of their achievement? Seriously?

Objectifying someone is entirely the choice of the person doing the objectifying. No one is forcing anyone to objectify her.

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I find Alex Morgan and many of her teammates to be attractive very attractive. They are also bad ass soccer players. I also love America.

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Misogynist.

Leonard. Duh.

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Hey guys, wasn't that absolutely kick-ass about USWNT 4th...

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I was really impressed with Rose Lavelle, Crystal Dunn, and Tobin Heath, all looked unshaken by the moment and played their game well all tournament. The US has some age in the front with Rapinoe and Lloyd likely playing in their last WC and Morgan over 30, hopefully Pugh and some others can fill in scoring goals in the near future.

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Crystal Dunn is a great example of great coaching by Jill Ellis. They used her skill
Set and her speed to perfection.

Leonard. Duh.

I swear she played 3 positions each game, she was all over her side of the field and looked competent defending, passing, and dribbling. She might have played the most minutes other than the US GK in this WC as well.

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There were a couple times I thought Heath would score, but she pulled up. I realized they were playing keep away, not running up the score. I guess when you've won, no need to rub it in, but I'd have loved to see Morgan get a goal to earn Golden Boot instead of Silver.

I agree, I thought Heath had a number of opportunities where I would have liked to see a little more shoot-first approach vs her pulling the ball and looking to cross, not just in the final 10 minutes but in the first half as well. Jill should have been telling her that a tap in off a GK deflections counts the same as a cross and tap in.

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Great win!

Also, be forewarned Brazil, in 8 years, we plan to hold the record for the most world cup victories...

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FAM!

Oh, and.....'MURICA!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Megabots was fucking stupid and disappointing. To a kid that grew up loving mechwarrior the hype was unreal, the actual event was the cheesiest stupid bullshit I've ever seen

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

I did not know that Megabots was a real thing, need to look it up to see how bad it is (played MechWarrior games before growing up and kind of want to see the Battletech Tabletop and/or Turn Base Strategy game that came out last year).
When I saw the pic I thought, "WTF did they do to the BAMF that is the Atlas"?

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Played MechWarrior too, as well as reading most of the Classic Battletech novels.

"WTF did they do to the BAMF that is the Atlas"?

I actually saw it as more of a MadCat variant with dual shoulder-mounted AC/20's.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I think you're right I got the Mad Cat and the Atlas mixed up, the dual shoulder-mounted AC/20's confused me.

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"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

MechWarrior is my jam. I've already pre-ordered MechWarrior 5 and just yesterday bought 10 more battletech novels because I'm a glutton for punishment and I'll love my shitty nostalgia games no matter what.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Wait, MechWarrior 5?

And all I thought I had to look forward to this summer is Classic Wow.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yeah, the company that made MechWarrior Online is producing MechWarrior 5, to be released sometime late this year or early next. It's a single player/co-op PC game, in the "Mercenaries" vein of the older games.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

I don't even remember how it turned out. I just remember that picture was the epitome of 'Murica.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

the USWNT has more stars than any recruit in our 2020 class **ducks**

LOL. Take your darned leg and be happy.

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Some of the subthreads here need to die. Fast. This is a FAM thread, ladies and gentlemen. We're supposed to be celebrating, instead I'm reading the most scorching of takes.

Well you know the old adage about opinions - everyone that has an opinion is an asshole.

Wait, I thought it was everyone is an asshole, in my opinion...

...Every asshole has one opinion...hmm, no

In Soviet Russia opinion, asshole have YOU!

I thought it was opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

This thread is a fucking masterclass on "how to be offended".

God I hate the internet sometimes.

Wow, did you seriously just say that about me? Why would you just assume everyone else can afford to take a "masterclass"? And seriously invoking the word "master" is exactly what the nazis would do.

/s

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I can't decide which I hate more - this whiny ass thread of people bickering over everything possible or soccer as a sport.

Single most deadliest man in the known universe?

Or soccer?

LOL, that is so much the world that I live in. And they wonder why deep down inside that I still don't love their favorite sport. Crybabies!

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, TKPC#490, One of us!

I guess 20 farted, and his teammate is immune to it?

Probably the biggest reason to hate soccer right there - the ridiculous flopping.

In the high stakes game of being offended...

I see your bid of this thread and raise you a dark skinned mermaid.

I bet real-life mermaids had excellent sun tans. I'll accept it.

In other news, the live action Mulan looks pretty interesting, and she's actually going to remain of Asian descent.

Leonard. Duh.

wasn't expecting to see Keiko O'Brien in the Mulan movie, and yet there she was

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Hey Alex, how many World Cups have we won?

Hey Dave Chappelle, how many world cups will the USWNT have won in another 4 years?

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That's Dylan!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

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because, um...

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Ill save this one for when we three peat in 4 years

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One thing that I really like coming out of this weekend is that US Soccer is now marketing this win to men as well. After the team won it back in 2015, I went online to see if they had any shirts, hats, or jerseys to wear, and it was pretty much exclusively women's sizes for the merch. Which, I mean I guess I get, but it seemed like a huge wasted opportunity to capitalize monetarily on the achievement.

Now? When I looked on Sunday afternoon, they had everything in men's sizes as well. And, wouldn't you know it, they've sold out on at least all the 4 star jerseys immediately. So at least in that regard, they got their heads out of their asses this time around.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Rose was a beast this tournament and couldve easily been the MVP for the whole thing she is the future for the US and the search for the three-peat

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Hats off to the USWNT. To have beaten the teams they beat - Sweden, Spain, France, England, Netherlands - they earned it.

For those that follow it more closely than I, do you you think it'll be much more difficult to repeat in the future? With some of the other classic soccer countries starting to focus on developing women's soccer, I tend to think we're seeing the end of a dynasty, and some of the same problems we see on the men's side with building a competitive team will surface for the women.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Not that its easy to repeat but moving forward, even with other countries making investments, I still see the US team as odds on favorites for at least the next decade. Much of that is do to the youth programs in those other countries not nearly being where they need to be. Indicators are that the US teams are still favorites from U-13 on up. There is also the stable enough environment that even with improvements, the US still will field one of the more dominating teams. The one area that could tip things more back to where the men's game is is if the women make major in-roads in terms of Club level supported soccer at all ages in Europe or South America.

That was one of the reason's Lyon was chosen over Paris by the French as the host, is that the city and its professional club Olympique Lyon have made a major investment in the ladies side. That club dominates women's soccer in Europe to include four straight Champions League titles.

Article on Olympique Lyon

Real Madrid and Man U just added teams in the last year. Seems inevitable traditional powers will catch up

They will catch up, but I would expect the US womens to compete year in and year out. US Mens soccer doesnt attract the best US athletes, Football, Basketball, and baseball all pay better and are more popular. But for women one could argue that US soccer is the biggest womens sports (I could maybe tell you 5 WNBA players). Our best female athletes play soccer. That helps us stay with every other country were soccer is king(or queen for the women)

The best athlete thing is a myth that needs to die. At the highest level, soccer is like playing QB in the NFL. Its about technical skills and tactics. You can't brute force out athlete everyone. USWNT got a huge leg up on the world because development in college was better than nothing, which is what the rest of the world had.

We'll still compete due to the low amount of money other countries put in. But each year traditional clubs put in more money for women we'll have a decreasing advantage

I'm here upvoting everyone for the input, but I think I'm falling into this category as well.

I just googled around the topic and found this - deadspin article - which I think is a nice summary of what has been stewing in my mind after watching the European teams this tournament.

Some good quotes:
"It's been clear for years now that Europe was the great sleeping giant of women's soccer, and this summer offered the strongest evidence yet that the continent has begun to wake up. Seven of the World Cup's eight quarterfinalists hailed from Europe. Every USWNT opponent in the knockout rounds was European, and every one of them gave the U.S. serious problems. The U.S.'s enduring strength, speed, fitness, and cohesiveness advantages are still enough to power them to a title, but their margins over their opponents there are shrinking by the year, and Europe's technical and tactical prowess has arguably already surpassed that of the Americans."

"The kinds of gains things like Title IX and college scholarship–focused youth soccer made in pushing America out to its huge lead in women's soccer in previous generations won't be enough to stave off Europe for long. Not when Europe already has the soccer infrastructure, coaching, culture, and knowledge base to spot, cultivate, and polish truly elite players and form them into great teams as it does in the men's game. "

Hokie fan | W&M grad

I thought it was pretty funny that Europe had 7 of the 8 teams in the quarterfinals and none of them won the championship. Don't get me wrong, it was a very impressive accomplishment by those teams. But that must really piss off the European fans.

Perhaps.

UVA is a great place to take a dump.

So the U15 teams has better tactics than the Womens Natioanl team? Athletics is rarely brute force. Hand-eye coordination (foot in the case) is a major contributor to how good an athlete is in most sports.

Yes the program matters a lot. But if you dont have athletes you don't get to start on the playing field, you arent going to out tactic the top European teams on the mens side if you dont have the atheletism to keep up.

Playing QB in the NFL is something that less than 30 guys can do in any given year. If soccer has that little availability of good players then in every other country those players will be playing soccer, in the US they will play soccer unless they can play a sport they can make money at.

I'm looking forward to the progression of this team to the 2023 WWC team (yes, don't kid yourself, we will qualify). I'm wondering if current VT goalie and U-23/U-20 team member Amanda McGlynn will get the call-up. Could Rapinoe remain on the roster given her excellence this time around? What will the forward position look like with most of the women being in their mid-30s at that time? Similarly, how will the back line look as some of those players will be reaching their mid-late 30s? I know our player development will be elite, but I am always intrigued by roster moves.

I can easily see players like Dahlkemper, Lavelle, Dunn, Horan, Mewis, Ertz, Brian, and Pugh provide the veteran leadership for the the 2023 squad. Can Davidson and Sonnet continue to develop? Who is going to be coming up from the U-23, U-20, and U-17 rosters to be the next generation to wear the 4-starred crest?

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I have to disagree with the opinion that the US women are the favorites from U13 up. Lately, our young women haven't been fairing well. None of the younger teams have had any podium time recently, and the U20 girls didn't make it out of the group stage at last year's World Cup... for the first time ever.

Europe and Latin America are indeed catching up at the youth level on the women's side.

Leonard. Duh.