OT: Stranger Things 3 full discussion (spoilers)

Now that some of us have completed ST3, looking forward to having some discussion on this latest season.

I will get into the things I loved about it in a post below, but I will start by saying I really enjoyed how the creators of the show leaned into change in this season. Both in terms of the maturing of the characters, the more graphic nature of the horror, and the overall shift to more adult tones. It felt like an appropriate evolution of the show and I felt that they pulled it off.

Share your thoughts and potential theories, etc. Also, Let me know what your favorite parts were.

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I thought the season really grew into itself, culminating in a fantastic finale. I thought the inclusion of Robin was solid. I am an ENORMOUS Ethan Hawke fan and his daughter showed a lot of promise. I thought making Billy sympathetic was subtle, but effective. If it had been too on the nose I wouldn't have found it as compelling. I still think Mike and El is the most incredible portrayal of pure, unadulterated love I have ever seen on screen. Obviously, the longer it goes the more it becomes a more normal relationship in the sociocultural terms we generally understand relationships, but it's still an all-time example of building an original and compelling relationship dynamic.

I could not care any less about Jonathan and/or Nancy. I am terrified that they will go too long with this show and ruin everything. The post-credit scene is hopefully talking about Brenner, not Hopper, because that would really damage the emotional impact of that finale.

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I'll start with my theory on the mid credits scene.

When the two guards are going to get the prisoner, and they remark about "the American", I think they want us to hold on to hope that it's Hopper. I'm in the camp that Hopper is either dead, or jumped through the gate before it closed and is currently stuck in the Upside Down. Even though I love Hopper, I hope they don't go the "resurrected hero" route that easily, as it really takes away from the emotional punch of his heart to heart letter.

I actually think "the American" they reference might be Dr. Brenner (Matthew Modine in season 1)

My reasoning:
We never actually see him die, although it's implied (this applies to Hopper as well)

In Season 2 the former lab guard tells Eleven and Kali that he is still alive

Him being held prisoner would also explain how the Russians found out about the gate and the Upside Down in the first place. He could be the one providing them the information on what it is and where to locate it in Hawkins. It would make sense they would keep him alive if he was providing important information

As for how the Russians had a Demogorgon in their possession, I think that may be explained by when Erica (who was an awesome addition btw), asked Dustin how big they were when she saw that containment cage. Seems reasonable that they pulled one or more through the gate at some point to study

It will be interesting to see what they do with Hopper. Personally i am fine with his storyline being over. They wrapped it up very well and i think his character arch is complete. However, they intentionally showed what happened to the bodies in the first episode when the "key" exploded. Thats never shown in the final scene with Hopper. I wouldn't be surprised if the opening scene of next season is him in the upside down.

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I'm starting to like the idea of Hopper being the big bad of season 4, him jumping into the doorway before it closes to end up alive but stuck in the upside down. He could either slowly be corrupted by it or become a new vessel for the full powered mindflayer.

I'd imagine that if he was possessed by the full mindflayer he would be more intelligent, capable and powerful then "the flayed" made by the fragment that had been left behind after season 2. If he was just corrupted by being in the upside down then maybe he gains powers and has some twisted view of the prime material plane and the people he was once friends with

I was thinking something along the same lines, with a scene of El having to regain her powers deus ex machina to stop him.

Those malls scenes really were so well done. I felt like I was back in a mall in the 80's and 90's.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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The montage was of El and Max shopping and having fun was a highlight of the season for me. Just a brief moment to have fun and be nostalgic without having to worry about the Mind Flayer.

Great to see Eleven just being a normal 80s kid

(Sidenote, is it just me or is Millie Bobbie Brown starting to approach Emma status?)

She's certainly well-positioned to land in an Emma-type status, albeit differently. MBB has already embraced her fame a lot more than Emma did while growing up (understandable, especially in the social media age). I also think on raw acting talent MBB probably has a higher ceiling. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if she is an Oscar nominee in the future. The way she was found out was an acting teacher (in Orlando, I believe) who told her parents when she was very young that they had to move her to LA because she had natural acting ability you just can't teach. That's all speculation though as Emma is a very talented actor, and I don't say that to disparage her at all.

They even had an Orange Julius!! That's a memory you can taste.

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I loved:

1. The fact that they didn't just rely on El's superpowers to finish off the big bad.
2. Actual consequences.
3. How the kids growing up and maturing is definitely affecting their relationships.
4. The relationship between Steve and Robin.
5. The friendship between El and Max with El actually getting to explore the world instead of being treated like a delicate little bird locked in a cage
6. Murray and Alexei (RIP) laughing at Hopper and Joyce's relationship. Poor Alexei didn't even get to enjoy his giant stuffed Woody Woodpecker.

So, theories on who "the American" was in the Russian prison cell. Most likely it is Hopper, since the Russians constantly referred to him as "the American" throughout the episode. If so, how did he survive? I have seen some theories that it may be Dr. Brenner and that is how the Russians knew about the Upside-Down. I think it is Hopper.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

The expansion of Murray's role was a welcome addition IMO. That and Erica. I thought integrating them into the team along with adding Robin was one of the big successes of the season

I liked Murray in this season much more. His role in essentially curating a drunken sexual encounter between teenagers in season 2 was one of the more questionable decisions in the series.

Erica was annoying as fuuuuck at first, but she grew on me in the end.

One other thing that I forgot to mention, as a dad, Hopper's letter to El really hit me in the feels.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Things I loved:

  • Dropping the super-hero kids group from Season 2. I know it's still there but man I loved how this returned back to Hawkins with just small town gang somehow fighting off huge bad interdimensional monsters.
  • Steve, Robin and Dustin... wow. didn't think that Steven and Dustin could get better on screen but Robin took it over the top. I liked the addition of Lucas' sister Erica too but I didn't think she was necessary to the team.
  • I really enjoyed the Dustin's girlfriend from camp arc. Can remember my friend telling me all about this great girlfriend he made over summer whom we never believed. Nostalgia bingo card material.
  • The monster was better this season. More menacing and personal like in Season 1.
  • I really liked that Will wasn't a victim and that him being a victim had turned into a Spidey Sense. Very cool.

Who is "the American"? Hmm... at first I thought it was Brenner because it would explain how they knew about the Upside Down. but then I remembered that none of the Russians were found in the facility when the military got there. Every room the military raided was empty which is odd because there were a lot of Russians down there. Being that we never see his death I think he was grabbed on their way out to whatever escape hatch they had, so the "American" must be Hopper.

I thought the whole time that Susie was going to end up being real.

But to have him contact her to get Plancks Constant and then the Neverending Story song was pure gold (all while the monster chased them down the road in the station wagon)

The shot of Robin and Steve with the Flayer stomping behind them had me cracking up

The song had me in stitches. I haven't seen that movie in probably 20 years, but when Dustin sang that first line, I turned to my wife and said "is he seriously singing The Neverending Story theme?"

I really appreciated how much humor they injected into this season. That first episode was hilarious.

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I thoroughly enjoyed this season. The fact that they upped the ante with Steve and Dustin by adding Robin and Erica to the mix was fantastic. I love that, though the group was split up, they were all investigating different aspects of the same thing. Each group was essentially a different movie trope: Red Dawn, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Terminator, etc.

I was laughing almost uncontrollably with Dustin and Suzie singing a duet of Neverending Story. Probably my favorite moment of the series.

I would buy Brenner being held by the Russians before I would believe Hopper. I don't think Hopper is dead. Every other person who was surely dead, they showed. I'd say next season, or over the next two seasons, they have to beat the Flayer in the Upside Down to complete the story, and they find Hopper learned how to survive somehow in the Upside Down and helps them.

I'd say the other kids from the experiment in Season 2 come into play a little more, and they have to bring in more movie tropes from late 80s: Top Gun, Lost Boys, Adventures in Babysitting, Ferris Bueller, Flight of the Navigator, Highlander, Short Circuit, etc.

I felt like the monster in this season was a nod to flight of the navigator. How the arms extended out to the face of the victim. Navigator was kind of like a floating orb/arm type thing from what I remember.

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Everything about this season (except the green stuff) was so well thought out and eventually circled back to reveal greater purpose later in the season. Much better than Season 2.

Also, emotions.

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There were so many great nods to genres of the past with this season. First with the big Russian guy being so obviously The Terminator to the nod to the kitchen scene of Jurassic Park. Even the part with Billy outside the mall at the end seemed like a nod to Maximum Overdrive. I felt like they did a really good job of making everything feel fresh while still putting together a really good story.

Ugh, Hopper getting it at the end and the letter. Very well done while being incredibly sad.

My theory... 'The American' is Brenner. They outright said he is still alive last season and it makes sense if they knew about Hawkins because he was their prisoner and spilled the beans. How he got there after the Demo-gorgon supposedly killed him in Season 1 is beyond me, but that's my guess. Hopper is still alive as well. We saw in the opening scene of the season that when that machine malfunctions, it turns everyone around into a gooey mess. There was no gooey mess where Hopper was standing. He's still out there somewhere.

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Another reason why I believe Hopper is alive

The show writers pulled the same fakeout in Season 1, down to the same song used for added emotional impact for everyone's reaction in the immediate aftermath....

There is no way that's a coincidence

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Great find.

I agree, no chance the use of that same Peter Gabriel version for both scenes was accidental

Its one of my favorite songs from the first season, so when I heard them use it again, I immediately went "heeeeeeey, wait a minute!"

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It's a great moment from S1. That was definitely one of those moments where I knew I was watching a special show.

I remember having the same emotional gut punch at that scene as the end of E8. Had we not been binging it, that would have stuck with me for a while. Much like I think this one is going to, at least until the next season.

Also, 'the American' part at the end... Also very similar to the Eggo left in the woods at the end of S1 when we thought El was gone.

Though, I still believe that the American is Brenner due to the S2 callback. It would explain how they knew to even go to Hawkins in the first place. Unless... Unless Brenner defected to Russia after S1 and was pulling the strings from the top there.

Anyway, back to Hopper.... I'm going to guess we'll see a scene with him climbing down a ladder toward the beginning of S4....

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I've been saying this too, the exact same song when they pulled wills body out of the water.

I'm not done yet so I'm not reading yall's comments yet but I'm through 5 episodes and it is absolutely wild.

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Some of my favorite scenes from this season, in no particular order:

The initial lifeguard scene with Billy and the moms

Hopper giving Alexei the keys and arguing with Joyce and Murray that he wouldn't leave

Murray calling out the sexual tension between the two

Neverending Story

El throwing the car at the Russians

Any scene involving Robin and Steve drugged up and then the comedown scene in the bathroom

Bald Eagle and Erica's conversations with Dustin and Murray

Will the Wise

Mike saying that he loved El was a fantastic scene to me

The Girls Just Wanna Have Fun montage and I Dump Your Ass!

The Mindflayer talking to El in the empty cabin was chilling

Just so many good moments. It's a rare show that keeps things this fresh while digging into so much nostalgia. Does anyone realize we are three seasons in and we still don't really know all that much about the MindFlayer or the Upside Down? And frankly that doesn't bother me at all

I'm still getting my head around just all the excellent callbacks to 80s/90s movies and shows throughout this season

Terminator - The Russian badass = Arnold
Jurassic Park - scene in the department store = kitchen scene
Invasion of the Body Snatchers - Flayed
The Thing - Flayed / Mindflayer
Maximum Overdrive - Billy intimidating everyone with the car
Red Dawn - Underground facility

Hell, even the scene with the Russian battling Hopper in the fun house reminded me of one of the last scenes of John Wick 2.

any others that I'm missing?

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Mike saying that he loved El was a fantastic scene to me

Amazing scene. Pretty much every Mike&El scene tends to be fantastic. Between their chemistry, their acting chops, and the narrative construction of their relationship, it never feels like the empty, superficial nothing that is almost all middle school/early high school romances. When Mike says he loves El, or she says it back in the finale, the viewer believes it because we've seen them experience and build a true friendship on screen that always felt organic.

Has anyone thought that the "american" is the chick from that episode in Season 2. I know they completely abandoned that this season (thank god), but something tells me it's her and we were faked out this year.

I have heard a lot of people say that it could be Matthew Modines character from the first season, because it was noted in season 2 that he was not dead.

I'm just glad Hopper put russian Schwarzenegger into the blender before he peaced out

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Oh one other thing.

Last night I found out my wife has never seen The Neverending Story. So now I know what we'll be doing at some point this week.

And if she thought Hopper's letter to El was sad, wait til she experiences Artax crossing the Swamp of Sadness

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Make sure you have the tissue box ready. That wrecked me as a child.

Devastating

Season 3 was way better than season 2

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I think all of season 3 was pretty consistently excellent, and the best of the 3 so far. Talking about nostalgia I knew it was going to be great when Hopper was watching Magnum P.I. on TV. That was 1980s gold to me. Other movie throwbacks:
- Night of the living dead, or really any zombie movie.
- The Blob, except in this case the "blob" was human/mammal flesh and not Jello.

I also liked Joyce's attraction to nerds (Bob, the science teacher). I thought they would do more with the science teacher but it was still great. Billy in general is also gold to me because when I was growing up (same age as the kids in the movie), I had a jerk living next door to me who was a real-life Billy. Classic stuff, cracked me up.

Well that season was fantastic, perfect balance of intense, funny, and mysterious. In the russian tunnel the only thing I could think of with those cars was the Austin Powers 400 point turn in a similar car, in a similar tunnel.

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At least the tunnel in ST had some split off areas where you could turn around. That one in AP... I mean I know it was just a set and they probably only had to push it over about 3 feet, but it always bothered me that getting into such a predicament would be utterly impossible.

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it always bothered me that getting into such a predicament would be utterly impossible

Why have I never even considered this until now....

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I laugh at it, but always thought the same, but not to the point of being annoyed.

The one gag I hate in movies every time it occurs is "the bus/truck from nowhere". It's not funny to me, and I'm always like, those things are loud, you'd hear them coming, and the driver would have to be a very bad driver to not stop for someone standing in the road, to the point they just straight murdered someone because they had more than enough time to stop.

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That all said if they wanted to do a mike myers styled season for season four I'd be all in with the big bad evil thing really being fat bastard and a groovy version of Hopper from the disco days would be cool

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Has anyone else seen the theory circulating that if your name start's with a B you are ultimately doomed to die in Stranger Things? Barb in season 1, Bob season 2, and Billy in season 3.

I would find it very interesting if we find out next season that the Flayed arn't actually dead, but their real selves are stuck in the Upside Down and what we saw melt into the meat puppet was a "body snatcher" type version of them.

Only thinking this because of Billy's initial experience in the first episode, where he is confronted with himself and the faceless figures behind him. Would make for a really neat twist if all of those people just showed back up again, possibly with Hopper?

I am actually ok with Hopper being gone for good, even though I love the character. His arc feels complete in many ways. But I feel like there is more to explore with Billy from a character standpoint

Didn't they find Barb dead in the Upside down in the first season? I forget

Yes, but that was the demogorgon that got her. I'm not sure if the Mind Flayer handles his victims any differently

ah right. good point

Yeah, it's something I noticed a while back

Benny, Barbara, Brenner (maybe not), Bob, Billy

Just finished. I think ST3 is probably the best yet, but that might just be me being a prisoner of the moment.

I will say that I was totally not prepared for Hopp's letter to El.

If I had to guess I'd say Hop is the American.

I really liked this season, it was much better than season 2. All the sets were amazing, especially the mall and the carnival. Can't believe they even had the Gravitron!

I really hope they wrap everything up in another season or two though. Often times successful shows are continued well past their prime without any sort of purpose to the original story arc (think the last 2 or 3 seasons of the office), and i don't want to see that happen with this show. The brilliant combination of suspense, nostalgia, and humor can quickly change to predictable and cheesey.

As for the American at the end, I'm thinking it might actually be the mayor. Maybe he went to his Russian connections and they threw him in jail. Seems like too big of an actor to not wrap up his story in this season

It's Netflix. They don't let things run too long. They seem to like to cancel shows after 3 seasons regardless of how well they are doing. So, I hope they get, at least, season 4.

It's an ensamble cast so I'd be surprised if they make a fifth season of Stranger Things. That is unless they have everyone on contract for it already. I don't really find it surprising that they tend to cancel things after a few seasons since they don't make any ad revenue to compliment their subscription fees. Plus licensing has gotten a lot more expensive now that studios have figured out that streaming video is really profitable with faster internet speeds.

Most of the cancelled shows have more to do with being prohibitively expensive to shoot (Bloodline), future loss of licensing for the material (Marvel shows), and lack of popularity. Stranger Things is Netflix's greatest OC success and they (obviously) own all the licensing for the IP to brand things and make money off that as well. People are worried that they might cling to Stranger Things beyond its natural run as they start to lose more and more content to individual streaming services (which is another nightmare we could all discuss at length, It's not crazy to think we have to buy a $200 bundle for the 20 different streaming services in the future, and be right back to Cable all over again).

It's not crazy to think we have to buy a $200 bundle for the 20 different streaming services in the future, and be right back to Cable all over again

I have been predicting this. Cable companies may have seemed evil but they did lobby for the consumer to keep individual networks from gouging. The more reliant we become with streaming services, the more leverage they will gain to raise prices.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

$200 bundle for the 20 different streaming services in the future, and be right back to Cable all over again

Cable will look like a discount when its all said and done. You're probably looking at spending $20 per month, minimum, to stream these networks down the line.

Netflix will not pull the plug on Stranger Things. Its the primary reason they are able to effectively print money nowadays. With NBC pulling all their content off next year, they're going to lose The Office and Parks and Rec, two of the top streamed shows on the network, and then they're really screwed. They need something to keep people hooked, and right now, that's Stranger Things.

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That's exactly what I'm saying. That plus the Duffers have stated they envisioned it as 4 seasons. My concern (and others' concern) is that all the things we have said will lead them to bleed this thing way past what it was meant to and ruin the show. I think an alternative is to make it an Anthology series and conclude this storyline in s4 or 5, then start a new Stranger Things story.

They already showed that El wasn't the only kid to go through the Hawkins Lab experiment.

There's at least 10 other potential spin offs they could do if they so desired.

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They should pick another decade. 90s nostalgia next.

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I like this idea a lot for the Anthology route. I really don't think focusing on the other 10 (or more) Eleven-type characters is going to be as interesting. I think that could get repetitive very quickly, and I highly doubt someone will be able to live up to MBB's performance as Eleven.

With your suggested route they can have a total refresh, featuring easter egg references to what happened in Hawkins the previous decade if they want to do same universe. Come up with a new story, different characters, different supernatural things to play off.

Basically like American horror story where each season is unrelated. Just groups of seasons.

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The Duffer brothers wanted to do it this way, but never thought Season 1 would get so big.

There have been hints at time travel by the cast for season 4. These guys are good at foreshadowing, and Back to the Future was featured in Season 3.

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Enjoyed, loved the music in this one. In the mall scene the music reminds me of Terminator when Sarah and Kyle are running from the terminator. Back to the Future in the movie theatre was great along with the other titles that were up at the theatre, "return to Oz" stuck out to me. I would have like to have seen Wynonna's character be more embracing to El at the end when Hopper was gone. I initially thought the American would be Hopper but then thought about it and wasn't sure. However people's point that it could be Brenner makes sense. I had forgotten about him. Good season overall. Thought it was better than the second as well. Neverending story song was awesome especially because they sung the whole thing. "Bald Eagle" was great.

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Well, thats amazing. Has to be about Hopper possibly being "the american" right?

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Billy and Eleven are linked, when they showed his mom on the beach, I thought it was Eleven's mom, but then young Billy shows up. I'm taking a wild guess that Billy's mom left and ended up in Hawkins, and that's how we get Eleven. I'm stretching, I know, but that made sense to me.

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My roommate has already seen ST1 and 2 and wanted to watch 3, so I burnt through the first 2 seasons in a week, and we just now finished 3. Probably the best show I've watched as far as Netflix exclusives go. They do a good job of ending every episode to where you have to watch the next, but they don't leave the end of seasons on cliffhangers that make waiting for the next season unbearable. Of course the whole "the American" thing is going to be in the back of my mind, but for right now, I'm content with how season 3 ended.

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I kept thinking, "how are they going to free the flayed?" right up until they all melted one by one to join up into the monster. I gotta admit, that scene made me throw up in my mouth a little.

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probably a dumb question, but would you guys say it's fair to assume all of those people died with the Mindflayer?

Pretty safe bet

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Great show and great season - Stranger Things never seems to miss a step.

Everyone already mentioned the great stuff. If i I had to quip about anything, the extra goriness, in my opinion, was not necessary. I don't think it added a lot, and could've been done differently. Other than that extra.

Spare a thought for Billy - his story arc was pretty amazing, just like babysitter Steve.

This is was done as a nod to 80s horror. The kids even discussed The Thing as they were fighting "The Thing". Stephen King references abound in seasons 1 and 2. The gore amped up as the Easter eggs did.

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Favorite parts
-The "Todd Father"
-the "Adventures in Babysitting" dynamic between Steve/Robin and Erica/Dustin was pretty sweet
-Alexi the child killer sipping a Slurpee

I really hope at some point in future seasons Steve gets married and has a kid named Jean Ralphio
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Interesting to read all the positive reviews. I'm guessing the majority of the positive reviews are coming from people who grew up in the 80s. Personally, I was born in the 80's but was a teenager in the 90s, so some of the finer details get lost on me.

I thought there was something missing this season and my younger coworkers agree (They are in their 20s, and weren't even born in the 80s). I really enjoyed season 1 & 2. I felt like the mystery part of the first 2 seasons was lost. In season 1 you are trying to figure out what is happening, what is the upside down, what happened to El. Season 2 you were trying to figure out if El was alive, are they still doing experiments at the site, what the hell is happening to will and that thing that is living inside of him. I just didn't get much of that. You knew Russians were involved, they gave away the Billy thing in trailers, etc.

I also felt like the season was way too short. Right when it was getting good, it was already over.

I think that all the people that are presumed dead are alive in the Upside Down. The Mind-Flairs subbed the real people out with the diseased ones. I don't think the death of Billy was final.

My guess is that if their are multiple gates, you could presumably go between gates in the upside down in a quicker period of time. It's almost like a transportation loop.

When El lost her powers, and her blood became a demogorgan/monster, was that how she lost her powers? Did the flair take her powers away?

I still liked this season, it just wasn't as enjoyable as the first 2 seasons for me.

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Over-exerting herself took the powers away. The blood bubbling up is what produced the little slug thing crawling around in her leg. She had to use an extreme amount of power (through already intense pain) to get the thing out and it "drained her battery." At least that is the explanation we have to go off at this point. It could have been something else that will be revealed later. The main part of having her power drained was to prevent her from immediately being able to tell where Hopper is OR her obsessively looking for him everyday.

Good thought process.

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Maybe I missed it, but what happens with Max now that Billy's gone? In the final scene, they wrapped up what's happening with all the other kids in the aftermath, but I don't remember seeing Max's future addressed. Did I miss it, or did they forget to tie up that loose end?

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

They didn't really address it, but I think we are made to assume that she has to go back to living with the abusive dad by herself. There was no indication that she was leaving.

Honestly, I thought this could have been the last season, since they split the team up.

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I think they made it so it could be the last season if they wanted it to be but left open the door for season 4 with the end credits scene. FWIW I have read that David Harbour is contracted through 4 seasons, indicating that he is indeed "The American" referenced in that scene.

Doesn't mean he can't be in flash back scenes or dreams or anything like that.

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True. I would be surprised if that was the case (given they even do a 4th season) considering how popular his character is and the fact they did not actually show him dying. I think the popular fan theory that he jumped through the gate and that is how he ended up in Russia will end up being correct. Also you need to be a side character with a name that starts with B to be killed off in the show (RIP Barb, Bob, and Billy)

I think everyone that was assumed dead this season that the monster infected, are trapped in the Upside Down or something to that extent. I don't think Billy is dead, nor the handful of people that were replaced by the monster. The monster versions of themselves certainly are though

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I think this too. My main reasoning is that first time Billy goes to the Upside Down, he sees himself with a bunch of other figures behind him. I don't think it's unreasonable to think they could have been replaced with these versions when the Flayer snatched em

That's what I am thinking as well. I also think that inorder to take their form, they needed to keep them alive elsewhere. We also see the other life guard fall away somewhere, but we never see where.

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Was their dad even in Hawkins? I don't recall ever seeing him. I thought Billy was her guardian.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Yes, briefly in Season 2

Their mom and dad came home when Billy was getting ready to go out while Max was trapped on the bus by the Demodogs. Billy's dad then shows how much of an abusive piece of crap he was.

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I'll be damned. I had forgotten that. For some reason I thought that the parents were only shown in flashbacks, and that Billy and Max were on their own after running away from the abusive dad. Guess my memory is worse than I thought.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)