Rhode Island Meh Thread

Ugly win against a lower divison team still a win. Time for the heels, I think we can get 3 between them, Pitt, GiT and the hoos to keep the streak alive.

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Well.

That was underpressive.

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Well, at least the hoos lost

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I think that we just have to accept the fact we're not at the level to blow out lower teams anymore. We're basically Purdue circa early 2010's

Whatever man. I think the offense has shown improvement and 4-2 ain't too bad when you consider it.

We won, I know we have a ton of issues (DEFENSE), but I'm good for now. Gonna enjoy fla-lsu now!!

Glad to get the win and be 4-2 all things considered, but we are now halfway through our season. Of our four wins, two have been against FCS teams and one against ODU, which is 1-5. We're definitely showing some signs of life after the QB change, but we aren't able to put away teams that we should be easily overpowering and beating. Consider me still very skeptical that we can win 3 of the next 6, all against ACC-level competition and ND, in order to make a bowl.

and if we had won all six, our best win would have been against Duke?

I think we should accept that this schedule is best served for this team because we just haven't been that good the last two years to "overpower" anyone.

Which got me thinking yesterday that maybe the fan base and players think just showing up with that VT on the helmet is going to be enough to beat an FCS team or lesser competition. Unfortunately we aren't there yet with this bunch and we can argue all day where that blame should be placed.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Yes, it's the fault of the fan base for being unreasonable with their expectations and wanting more than

/checks notes

a subsistence-level bare minimum 7 win season against the easiest P5 schedule in the country in year 4 of Fuente's regime.

well they are halfway to your bare minimum!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I'm seriously pissed that offense played mostly very well, but defense could not get off the field at all it seemed. Hooker impressed me (imagine if Hazelton catches some of those dropped passes) and McClease has played pretty good the last 2 games.

The offense would have been daylights different if Hazelton had caught any of his 5 uncontested drops. The one drop in the end zone the URI corner did a great job.

I still feel better about this game than ODU and Furman.

We had the lead all game. There were only three drives that didn't yield points, and two of them were at the end of halves. Heck, we didn't have a 3-and-out until the announcers jinxed us in the fourth quarter.

Now, if only RI wasn't on the field so much . . .

Oh yay, we have another "meh" thread. Yay.

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I think what we need to do is change the way the word Meh is used on the internet.

Like this: "We won the game! Hell Meh we did!"

Problem solved.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

RI scored more points against a P5 team this weekend than loluva bahahahahaha!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

We are improving as a team, no meh this week for me. The game plan was probably real vanilla too on top of that.

Next week is a good litmus test, but at least we can score, and Hooker put up like 300 yards. Improvement!

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I cant believe we ran the trick play with Tayvion. I expected that play at some point since he played qb in high school but it's a little head scratching that we used it against RI.

Especially on a poor snap haha...and Fuente even said in the postgame that he pulled Hendon aside afterwards and was like "Hey bud, so...if the snap is bad, just forget the tricks and get back to the line..."

I think overall the call was probably just a "Let's see if he can make this work so we know if it's viable in the future." Test it out against an FCS team (considering Robinson is a true freshman) before you use it as an actual option in a game that counts for bowl/ACC play.

Sad part is it actually worked. From the stands it looked like McClease caught it inbounds and that is what appeared to be on the replay.

Looked out on tv, but the camera angles left a lot to be desired

We wanted it on tape. We want other teams to have to account for it.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

exactly, put it out there so the defense won't be as confident in destroying the jet sweep.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I would've liked this to have gone better. But this team isn't gonna play there B+ have every week.

Rather play their C game against RI than UNC

That said if we're like this like vs UNC, Mack is gonna be dancing like Frank at the end of a blowout.

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A dogfight with a 1-4 1aa team... yep, "meh".

Beat GT

I would hardly call this game a dogfight. We controlled from the start, and the closest the got was 7.

β€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!”

It was 17-14 halfway through the 3rd qtr. RI had first and goal to make it a 1 score game halfway through the 4th. I agree it wasn't a dog fight but we failed to put away a very bad FCS team at home.

the closest the got was 7.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

What's your point? I just see a bunch of scores with no actual substantial conversation.

β€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!”

Rhode Island is a bad team. It shouldn't have been closer than 7 points anytime after the first quarter. If you need substantial discussion to understand that than you need a reality check.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think you're putting last season and the beginning of this season on this one game.

They had one drive.

I agree it felt like "here we go again", but after the game ended. Looking back on it, it wasn't close.

We're a few penalties and a dropped pass from it really not being close.

Another reality check is we are a bad team. Continuing to expect dominance over anybody is crazy. It would be nice if we could avoid having Meh threads for 3/4 of our wins.

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I mean, yes I 100% agree. But people are trying to kid themselves that we are a good team. We are not. A bad team is within a score of of a shit FBS team in the third quarter. I hate to say it. But it's how it go.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I'm not disagreeing with you that we should have beaten the breaks off URI. You just seem a little salty about the fact that VT won by 17. I'm not salty about a win, I'll take the wins when we get them because right now the defense is struggling mightily.

β€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!”

I'll take them too. But I'm also not going to sugar coat it. That's all I'm trying to say. I think we are on the same page. Just getting there differently.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Trying hard to figure out why so many people are so salty over other people being disappointed that our starting qb had to be under center for all but the last possession again Rhode Island.

This is the meh thread. You might want to try the fam thread if this one isn't to your liking.

When it's our starting QB's second start, I want him taking every snap.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Even if we are up 4 scores and those snaps includes the QB running the ball?

Granted one of those caveats didn't apply but... [Shrug]

The score doesn't matter. I want Hooker to get better. He is already behind the curve as far as getting first team reps in practice. He missed out on a ton of snaps the first three games. He's got a lot of catching up to do. I want him in the game

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Well I appreciate your point of view. I disagree that he should be taking late snaps had D showed up this game, but I do agree that your position has merit.

As does yours. The defense sucked hind tit against an FCS offense.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Arguing whether the FCS opponent we didn't put away until mid 4th quarter has a deceptively bad W-L record is quintessential meh.

A comment you wouldn't have even considered pursuing is one of the most titular anecdotes on the thread.

This is the meh thread. You might want to try the fam thread if this one isn't to your liking.

Sure, we won the football game. But this thread is a safe space...

For who?

From what?

URI had the lead in most of those games and lost in the fourth quarter. In their first two games they went to triple overtime and double overtime. They are better than their record, but still should have been beaten.

If you look at the scores, sure. But you can't just do that. RI has a pretty good QB for an FCS school, and 2 WRs that would start anywhere in the ACC minus Clemson.

Furthermore, they have had a terrible run of luck, mainly just because their defense is terrible. Our O scored almost at will, which is what they needed to do. If you told me the D gave up 17 points, I would be pretty happy with that after watching film/highlights of their past games. They don't give up sacks and rarely throw INTs. The QB is accurate, sneaky elusive, and the WRs catch everything.

And again, on that luck - they very easily could have been 4-1.

Delaware - Delaware converts a 4th & G from the 7 to get to the 3rd OT to win
NH - scored to tie it up with 90 seconds left, defense gives up a FG to lose.
Stony Brook - RI scores twice in 37 seconds to go up. QB scrambles FROM THE 50 with 6 seconds left on 4th down to score as time expires and win the game.

I get it - we see a name and a losing record and think they should be drubbed easily, but the gap has closed throughout the country, and when you have a good QB and some playmakers, you can play with anyone.

Arguing whether the FCS opponent we didn't put away until mid 4th quarter has a deceptively bad W-L record is quintessential meh.

It can be spun several different ways, our offense had only one 3 and out all game, and had 2 other drives end each half, and scored on every other drive. Obviously the defense wasnt great, but looking at these scores, it lools like the held thwm to their lowest point total all year

That is a bunch of unfortunate scores for RI. They have been on the wrong side of some nail biters.

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It wasn't great, but not terrible. Better than previous 'meh' wins, the offense is showing some improvement.

Defense is a hot mess. It doesn't even feel like a talent problem, I felt like Bud was outcoached at times with wide open gaps in coverage. Maybe he really is losing his touch.

I think it is OK for us to say that as fans as well. I think he knows it as well. One of the reasons he is retiring.

I don't feel as bad about our defense as most others on this thread. RI is a good offensive team. Their QB was very accurate today and their receivers caught everything they touched. Granted the receivers were open; but the QB put the ball right in their hands in stride. Or he put the ball where they could adjust and our DB could not. And when we had a DB close, the receiver made a good catch and we could not knock the ball out of his hands. The real big problem with our defense today was the pass rush. The RI QB had too much time; and when we did get pressure, many times he was able to escape and make a good throw.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Wut? I have never felt so bad about our defense. It truly is pathetic.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

The offense played better, but there are still some playcalls that have me scratching my head.

The defense though, whoooooa boy. It seems likes as soon as a QB/DC realizes they can throw it up the middle, we're in hot water. Our corners and DBs are playing too loose for their skillsets and not looking for the ball and trying to read the WR is not gonna work for these kids. They play their butts off though. This is the result of Foster's dislike of recruiting.

URI has seniors on their O, including QB, and at least that one very angry lineman. Our D isn't very good against good experienced QBs. URI looked good today and too feisty for comfort; glad we ultimately doubled them up and sent them packing. 1-0, bay-bee.

Our D isn't very good against good experienced QBs.

Our defense isn't much better against bad inexperienced quarterbacks.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I dont know looked pretty good against Williams last week.

That was a complete and total fluke that was about 90% on Williams and 10% our stellar defensive effort as evidenced by N'Kosi dropping air mail the rest of the night, but sure. Regardless, my whole comment was aimed at being tongue-in-cheek at our general inability to shut down most QB's these days. I'll take any luck our defense can get though, because we're going to need all we can get against UNC.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Oh i agree it was, but he was one of the most inexperienced QBs we've faced. We've faced a lot of upper class QBs: Brown, Smartt, Priore were all Jrs, Harris a Sr. Grainger was is a RS freshman, and had by far the worst game of his career. Priore had one of the worst games he's had against us. Smartt had his 2nd worst game against us.

So we've done okay with inexperienced QB's. The probably is that we made Perry, Harris, and Brown look better than they are. And the guy at UNC is probably a better player than we've faced so far. Rhode Island showed exactly how to attack us, stay away from Farley and attack Quillen and Waller. So get ready for some shoot outs unless Bud can pull some magic.

Has Webb played a snap?

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about turkey leg votes

I saw him in on precisely one punt defense on Saturday.

Yep, no doubt. Good take.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

This could be an ECU meh thread, so let's all rejoice that they're off the schedule!!!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

No one has mentioned that URI tried the GT ball control game plan. Tech had 8 offensive drives. 8. You can't reasonably have a 42-7 blowout type score when you only have 8 possessions. On top of that, our defense isn't good.

Possessions in each game:

BC - 14 - (8 in the first half, btw)
ODU - 11
Furman - 11
Duke - 12
Miami - 13

That's a very good point. I would humbly counter that a big reason for their "ball control" was our D's complete inability to get their O off the field, at least until they neared the red zone.

They controlled the ball because our defense couldn't get them off the field.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

So my friend wants to know...

...had we gotten them off the field and reduced their ball control, which all-important statistic would have been more heavily weighted in our favor?

Our point total? - for the win...

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I was trying to think of when the last game we played where neither team had a turnover. Turnovers will definitely skew things as well.

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Offense = good. Hooker looks to be the real deal and would have had insane stats if Hazelton doesn't drop so many passes. We only had one 3-and-out which is pretty much what we should have had for a bad opponent. Zero turnovers too.
Defense = meh to bad. They can't get stops and give up the big play too much. Smart coaches (which is most these days) scheme us well to get advantageous matchups. I'm surprised that the Rams went away from the trips bunch WR after the third quarter. I would have run that until the Hokies showed they could stop it. Their line controlled our line for most of the game; certainly far more than a FCS team should.
Special teams = crap. We had 3 KR for a total of 30 yards. In the PR game, all I'm hoping is that we don't run into the kicker, we don't get burned for a fake, and we don't fumble. Basically don't screw up and make the defense have to play another second. Shibest has ruined Beamer Ball.

Yeah, meh sounds about right. If we would have scored and salted the game away instead of going 3-and-out, then I think QP gets more playing time and fans are happy.

Special teams = crap. We had 3 KR for a total of 30 yards. In the PR game, all I'm hoping is that we don't run into the kicker, we don't get burned for a fake, and we don't fumble. Basically don't screw up and make the defense have to play another second. Shibest has ruined Beamer Ball.

I agree with you that special teams haven't been that great. At the same, the standards are so high at Virginia Tech that even above average special teams isn't good enough. We had arguably the best special teams coach in the history of college football for 28 years.

It's fair to be mad at Shibest but it's hard to play Beamer Ball when you don't have Frank Beamer.

EDIT: Also, let's not pretend that Shibest & the special teams hasn't had moments of brillance in the Fuente era. The punt block againist UVa, the jump shot against Clemson and Chase Mummau all come to mind.

Rhode Island's special teams unit embarrassed ours. Our kick return unit has got to be the dumbest in college football. D1 P5, D1 G5, FCS, D2, D3. I don't care. Ours is the worst. It has to be.

I have no idea what Wheatley was doing letting it bounce . I guess he was hoping it would go OB? If I was the Special teams coordinator, every single kick return would be a knee to take it at the 25. We've given so many awful starts because of that.

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It blows my f'ing mind. We consistently start inside the 20. Take a f'ing knee.

Beamer's use of first team players on special teams caused other programs to change their game plan. The rules have changed also. Even before he retired, those changes caused him to change the way he was running the special teams depending less on blocked punts and more of a reliance on returns. The game continues to evolve.
I do not understand why some of the kickoff returners have tried to make returns when they could have called for the fair catch and gotten the ball on the 25 (I think that is the new rule). Is that the guy of the field making a poor decision or is it the coach, I don't know.

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It's return guys mentally of trying to make a play. It's the same things people said about Stroman for two seasons.

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The return yardage isn't as bad as it looks from the stats in this game. Several of the RI kicks were high and short. One was fair caught around the 35, another was fielded at the 20 and only had an 8 yard return. In both cases, our starting field position was better than a touchback, and it wasn't a normal return man catching it.

Here are Rhode Island's drives and the time of possession on those drives:

Punt (4:28)
FG (4:02)
FG (6:17)
TD (2:34)
FG (5:16)
Punt (1:39)
Downs (3:32)
Downs (1:02)

Total T.O.P = 28:54

The only reason this score is close is our defense couldn't get off the field on those three field goal drives. Rhode Island was able to shorten this game up a lot but dinking it down the field. To there credit, this was probably the plan and to our discredit, we should've stopped it. But we had nearly 200 more yards than them and it all came on our run game.

It could have and should have been more decisive but really my only issue is with the defense not being able to make a key third down stop or two. The offense responded when it needed to and looked like it should have versus a team of that caliber. We punted once, and it was in the 4th quarter.

I think the one announcer said it best when he stated all the times the CBs were giving such a cushion to their receivers. He said something along the lines of "VT has the talent to keep up with RI WRs, I don't know why they give the cushion they do. Keep doing that, and RI will take it."

The only thing I can think of is growth, as a part of gameplan. Using RI as a way to teach the CBs to keep the play in front of them, or as a way to train them to look at the QBs eyes, or something in terms of "do this, and only this, trust your teammates".

The reason the game was "Meh" basically came down to two players: Floyd and Quillen. Quillen just cannot cover anyone, and Floyd has been atrocious all year as sad as it is to say. Any time Rhode Island needed a big play they targeted the two of them to great success.

Late to the party. "Meh" is a great descriptor.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Did anyone else think the Rhode Island QB looked like Robert Downy Jr.?

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