OT: If you were a 5* football recruit...

Where would you take your 5 official visits?

Mine:

- Virginia Tech: Self explanatory. Go Hokies.

- Texas: Huge following, great education. Several NFL players, and if that didn't work out, probably pretty easy to get a job as UT football alum in Texas.

- USC: Hard to beat Southern Cal weather. Again, great education and NFL pedigree.

- Utah: Beautiful part of the country. Love their current style of play.

- Alabama: While not highly ranked in education, even their 2nd string gets drafted. Hard to be better prepared for the NFL, currently, than Bama.

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5* are really just prepping for the NFL, so as nice as the 'good education' sale is, it honestly wouldn't play too much into my decision-making process at that level. I'd focus on NFL-prep and resources, where I'd get treated like a king from fans and girls, and then overall weather and college experience
1. UGA
2. Alabama
3. Clemson
4. LSU
5. TX/OU

Right now, as a 17 year old kid that's a senior...
-Alabama
-Clemson
-Ohio State
-Texas
-Who ever impresses me and I feel like I could play down 1 of next season.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

In a few years, imma go with:
-USC
-UCLA
-Stanford
-Cal
-Fresno

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

USC is in Compton. UCLA is just outside of Beverly.

We put the K in Kwality

USCs not in Compton. It's not in a great area, but there are far worse neighborhoods in Los Angeles.

Always choose joy.

Okay...It's next to Compton. But my point was UCLA is a much better zip code.

We put the K in Kwality

It's actually a very similar distance from VT to RU. In a city, it's really not close at all.

UCLA is far and away a better neighborhood, but i think USC's campus is nicer. Spent a lot of time on both. USC also has the better football stadium situation.

Both student populations are very well qualified.

Always choose joy.

Not too far from Watts, hence the Menace gif

In order:

  1. Stanford - Immediate connections in silicon valley, best combination of education/professional network/sports in the country
  2. VT - Best campus is the nation
  3. UW - Learn from one of the best coaches in the country, good school, cool city
  4. GT - I like Atlanta, and I think Geoff has them in the right direction

IMO Stanford is the best combination of professional opportunity, education, and social life in the country (for athletes and non-athletes alike). It's the only school I'd pick over VT.

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I will take your UW and up you to UBC. If their bid to join the NCAA comes to fruition, I cannot think of a better place to live than Vancouver. Plus all the Tim Hortons you could want!

I actually almost included BC in mine. The campus is beautiful, and Boston is a fun town.

But then I thought about it... and F MATT RYAN.

uh

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

different BC...

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

... UBC ... Vancouver ...

... BC ... Boston ...

May want to double-check your math

Maybe I should include UNC in mine for the free degree.

If that doesn't work out you can fall-back on ECU

You and half of the other high school senior in North Carolina. The other half uses App State/UNC-G/UNC-Charlotte/UNC-Wilmington

Click here to destroy wall.

Bama, UGA, Texas, Stanford, Hawaii

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Hawaii hasn't had more success, considering their location.

Parental impact on decisions and coaching prowess.

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Mindset...once you've been there you realize how many distractions there are, football takes a backseat to some extent. General fan apathy is another reason. This is also true in the Pac-12, though to a lesser degree.

After all, what else is there to do in Alabama?

exactly why it's a great place for a fifth official visit but maybe not for a collegiate career

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think the location is a deterrent. It's a 5 hour flight just to California. VA is a 10+ hour flight, and that is if it is direct. Plus the campus and stadium are a tropical College Park.

I believe their general policy is that you also have to commit prior to an official visit which keeps the official visits down a bit.

1. UGA
2. LSU
3. Texas
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma

Depends on the position I play to be honest because if I'm a 5 star QB, Oklahoma has back to back Heisman winners and #1 overall picks. But just saying in general....

1. Alabama - winning, Saban, NFL
2. Clemson - winning and NFL
3. USC - Cali and national recognition
4. Texas - Alright Alright Alright
5. Virginia Tech - This is solely from the angle that I'm a home body. Being close to home would still be #1 on my list of priorities.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Sun devils
bama
georgia
clemson
nolies
(1 and 5 for obvious coed reasons)

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Yea but the ones at #5 smell like strawberry bubblegum but taste like an ashtray.

1. 'Bama
2. Ole Miss
3. Arizona State
4. Florida State
5. Tech

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

- Clemson
- Texas
- Alabama
- USC
- Notre Dame

I'm just here to sling some legs

Stanford, Clemson, LSU, Uva, Ohio State.

Stanford for smarts. Clemson for an in-depth look at how a wildly successful organization is run. LSU night game for the insanity. Uva to fuck them over in the end. And same reason as Clemson for Ohio State.

Anyhow

I'm assuming I'm the top rated player coming out of Virginia. Linebacker probably. I keep Uva on the hook the entire way through. On my announcement day I have some orange showing from underneath my sweet ass Adidas tracksuit. Holy shit, is he really going to Uva? Of course not, it's probably Clemson, right? Wrong.

*ENTER SANDMAN BEGINS BLARING*

I unzip my sweet ass Adidas tracksuit to reveal VT. Of course I choose VT. Bronco is so angry that he's visibly shaking. I kill the music. I walk over to bronco, almost as if to shake hands and apologize. Sike bitch. I hit em with the stone cold stunner. Enter sandman begins playing again. The crowd goes crazy.

VT goes on to win 3 Natty's in row. The dynasty has only begun.

... Life as a stay at home dad. I'm bored.

Wow: this was well received. I was rethinking my answer on a more serious note: I'd remove Uva obviously and if I had to choose a fifth option that I really wanted to woo me I think it would UF. If I just wanted a mini vaca... Then I'm going to visit Hawaii.

I think someone else had mentioned why Hawaii doesn't recruit and play better. I think they specifically have a restriction on visits given since it cost so much more. Also their schedule and traveling are a huge deterrence to those that are serious about getting some good exposure.

Shut it down, we're done here.

You have to say it: "I'm taking my talents to the University of Virginia..............TECH".

Also acceptable "South Beach.....Slusher South Beach".

We put the K in Kwality

Can't spell DBU without Bud

Quite simply...plaid would look good on this comment.

Always Jumping even from hours away.

What a savings

If you want to write this script. I will help you.

Total KJ move

I been here since day 0.

Clemson - self explanatory
Georgia - like the location, culture, and fans better than Alabama
LSU - Great looking campus and women. Awesome night games
Oklahoma - Better fit for me than Texas
VT - Go Hokies

my tepid take is that the lsu campus is just ok

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Damn, that's disappointing

for a night game OV though? worth going. maybe i'm spoiled as a hokie but LSU didn't wow me on campus.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"looks good to me" - other SEC schools (except Vanderbilt)

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

"hey, where did they get the book?"

We put the K in Kwality

*including UGA and Florida which are both more academically inclined than VT.

Which one pays the most?

We put the K in Kwality

Probably Texas am, bama, LSU, or Texas.

My same thought, who has the biggest boats and the best ho's.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

One has a pretty good Hooker

We put the K in Kwality

Again, great education and NFL pedigree.

What's with all this talk of education? We ain't come here to play school.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Did you know Maryland used to be in the ACC?

We put the K in Kwality

1) LSU
2) Bama
3) Miami
4) Oregon
5) USC

Trying to do this from a non-bias view. I Love New Orleans, so yeah LSU is up there.

Why wouldnt you want to see that palace Phil Knight built.

I like cities, so that was a factor.

I lived in LA and loved it there.

Bama is Bama, I would want to try to go to the NFL and that's your best shot.

What's
Important
Now

I Love New Orleans, so yeah LSU is up there.

LSU is about an hour and a half away though

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I know. I have been to Baton Rouge. I had a great time there as well. So its like a good mixture of I can have that college feel and go visit New Orleans when I want too.

I'm not big into suite case schools.

What's
Important
Now

In no particular order:
- Stanford: Beautiful campus and ladies
- Clemson: I want to see what this Dabo hype is about
- Oregon: Fun campus and system
- VT: I kinda want to see what it feels like to be rolled out the red carpet here
- Da U: Get some of that partaaaay life!

Ultimately I love the NoVa area and would probably go to Tech / Maryland / UVa if I felt most comfortable there; I would want to be close to my family and not playing too far away.

- Stanford: Beautiful campus and ladies

No way.

Give me a state school where the women are half as smart and twice as likely to fellat me.

I dunno - the smart ones are the kinkiest :D

IMO: with enough booze, any girl was kinky

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Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

If the end game is to go to the NFL, part of me wants to pick lower tier schools in garbage conferences so you stand out as a baller and your stock appears high.

However, in no specific order:

Georgia - southern girls in warm weather year round...
Clemson - easy conference, almost guaranteed multiple playoff appearances
Ohio State - easy conference, almost guaranteed multiple playoff appearances
Texas - I heard Austin's cool, alright alright alright
Oregon - scenery and uniforms...

I left Alabama off cuz I hear Tuscaloosa (outside of campus) is a boring shit hole

I don't need to VT since I have 10 years experience with Blacksburg

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Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

1) Virginia Tech, of course
2) Stanford, great education and alumni connections
3) Georgia, get treated like a king and dem Southern Belles
4) UCLA or Texas, combination of nice weather (well, not cold at least) and good education
5) Hawaii, duh!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Arizona State better be on all yalls lists

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

It's certainly #1 on the STDs list

I thought that was ECU

I thought that was Radford

If I was going to go back to school today, I would've looked into Arizona State more.

Since I'm from the "back in my day" crowd, I'm assuming that I'm a 5 star guy from the early 90's, social media is not a thing, and I grew up a Hokie.

I wouldn't visit anywhere but Blacksburg. I'd sign, commit, or whatever as soon as first year coach Frank Beamer offered me. The Hokies would be the only team I've ever wanted to play for. It wouldn't have been about boats and hoes, sunshine, sliding boards, or bling. It's all about that VT on my helmet. No need to tease it, or string anybody along.

For real.

Leonard. Duh.

1. Bama: great facilities, tradition, meet Saban....then drive back home on the backroads with an empty suitcase to fill with the booster cash.

2. Clemson: nice visit, personal escort, then attend the local church on Sunday and see if I can score momma a new house from the congregation.

3. Miami: Spend the week before with the freaky ho's, party on Nevin's yacht, then sober up for the 'official.'

4. USC: West coast flavor, party with the dumb kids that daddy paid for a 'college experience', and try to get my Hollywood contacts going.

5. Arizona State: #1 hottest coeds.

Stanford
USC
Clemson
Texas
Bama

IF YOU WERE A 5* FOOTBALL RECRUIT...Where would you take your 5 official visits?

Whichever school offers the largest bags of money πŸ’° πŸ’° πŸ’°

Money πŸ’΅ talks...talent walks πŸšΆπŸΎβ€β™‚οΈ

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Let's Go

HOKIES

Sounds like you better get yourself an ADHD diagnosis asap

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

anOSU- get paid while in school when NIL hits it's in a big enough city every booster with a business will pay for my likeness for their business
Bama- some of their fans would pay for a used jockstrap from their stars I can't wait to see what they mortgage off to pay for NIL for their "business"
UT/Tx AM- rabid fan bases with lots of money
Stanford

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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If you just want a fun visit and northern Europe fits your "search image", one I haven't seen listed but checks way more boxes than one might think is Minnesota.

Minneapolis / St. Paul metro area has a lot to offer. It is just so damn cold in the winter.

Oh, it's well beyond damn cold. Take the official in September. Outstanding food and music scene.

We have friends in Hastings that we visited in July and stayed on their boat for a couple of days. Anchored on the MS river. The water was almost unbearably cold still. I live in MS so it was a welcome respite. But I can't imagine being there in January or February.

I have a sister in law there. Prospective daughter in law is also from there (her parents are currently there). Been there in the severe cold a couple of times...no thanks. Fall is beautiful, though.

...and y'all wonder why our coaches "can't recruit"

Everyone: WHY CAN'T FUENTE LAND 5 STARS?!!!

Also Everyone: If i was a 5 star, Tech is not in my top 5.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Also Everyone: "Miami sucksss who would want to go there?"

Well if you were a 5 sta...Everyone:

Rebel scum! Navy is the only sensible choice.

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Alabama - Best NFL preparation, highest hit rate on turning 5* players into 1st round draft picks by more than double the national average. Insane facilities, best coaching (as long as Saban is there), and lots of hot girls. Dixieland Delight would be pretty cool to experience as a player as well.

Georgia - Athens is far and away the best college town I have ever been to. Lots of cool rivalry games, great facilities, and insane number of hot girls.

USC - Excuse to live in that area for free for 3-5 years while getting a great education with a highly connected and wealthy alumni base? Sign me up. This is probably the only west coast school I would seriously consider for football.

Texas - Austin, big football history/culture, loyal fanbase. If I wanted to live in Texas after football ended I would imagine it's a good start to finding a good job.

LSU - They are CRAZY about football is Louisiana. And as much as I hate Louisiana weather, I LOVE cajun food more than anything in the world. Would be awesome to play in Death Valley as well.

I would just go on unofficials to VT all the time as I am already familiar and would have already been very familiar before getting to recruit age. Same with Clemson, I'd take unofficials.

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Hold her up tight β€” AGAINST THE WALL!
Make a little lovin' β€” ALL NIGHT!
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"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I don't need to click this to know it's the article where they changed all the ad libs to be ham related

darn tooting it is

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Meant to reply. Fail.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Arizona State
Ole Miss
FSU
Oregon
Coin flip on USC/UCLA

These visits would have absolutely no bearing on where I'd sign.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

1. USC/UCLA - LA/SoCal
2. Stanford - Top notch Edu., beautiful campus
3. Texas A&M - everything is really bigger and better in Texas., best facilities in the country, cant get better than College Station
4. Bama - obvious
5. Clemson - Dabo

Born in Charlottesville, Reborn in Blacksburg

What is all of the love for Ole Miss? I live in MS and my daughter went to Ole Miss. It is a nice town, great food and pretentious tailgaters. I'm just not seeing the appeal.

2 of 23 people said ole miss

edit: 3/24 people said ole miss

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Cause Hugh Freeze got fired

We put the K in Kwality

Ok. Why? Out of all of the 120 something schools and very few people, if any besides me, on this site that live in MS, why?

so we're up to 3/36. at five teams each, that's 1.6% of the responses. Not sure it counts as "all of the love". but even so, doesn't Ole Miss have a reputation of being a great game-day experience? tailgating in the grove etc?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If your daughter went to Ole Miss I'm guessing you don't really want to know the answer to this question...

Oh, I understand that side of it. I visited campus enough to know. But it is not known like say, USC or Arizona State. If that is the reason that you are picking it.

USC
Ole Miss
UGA
Bama
Texas

I could commit without taking an official to VT and I think these 5 schools would be the most fun to take a visit (or maybe get a paper bag full of money).

The correct answer would have to include Montana State.... Bozeman is awesome.

So you don't mind chiselling your dog off of a tree in winter?

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Georgia- because winning
Alabama- see above
Clemson- " "
Ohio State - because I want to guarantee I get drafted early and anOSU is going to get me plenty of publicity
Tech - because I'm a homer. Go Hokies

I would say Penn State, but I'd have to cut off my dreds and get all my tats removed to appease the fanbase./s

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I definitely need to bookmark this thread for the next time we are arguing why VT Coach X can't land blue chip recruits.

Very few people mentioned proximity to home and the majority of responses are either blueblood programs or a program with a unique geography.

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about turkey leg votes

program with a unique geography

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

My parents best friend's brother went to that school. No way you could pull me from there.

Do you really not see the irony in people on here (literally Tech alum and diehard fans) who constantly complain about how Fuente can't pull in blue chip recruits not putting Tech in their top 5 in a "what if" scenario?

Gobble Till You Wobble

It's a pretty interesting case study, isn't it.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Except a lot of us have specifically pointed out that we would be taking many unofficials to VT as they are already familiar, and much like many real recruits, using OV's as free trips despite not necessarily having serious interest at that school.

Obviously, in real life, the VT staff would be pushing very hard for this hypothetical 5* version of ourselves to take an OV, and it would be weird for someone to not take an OV to the school that is leading in their recruitment.

Honestly, it's a little annoying that someone would find a way to make this fun hypothetical thread into a defense of Fuente and staff's recruiting while we have one of the worst P5 recruiting classes in the country.

and it would be weird for someone to not take an OV to the school that is leading in their recruitment.

How many 5-stars have there been from VA in the past 5 years? How many of them had VT in their top 5 schools as of their junior year? There's a huge assumption about VT leading...........or even in the running.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

What are you even talking about? I'm referencing the people in this thread not real recruiting.

And i find it annoying when we're celebrating a big win over Miami and i have to read "yea but look at the 2020 recruiting class". Someone else made a good post pointing out the irony and he made a comment mocking peope who try to justify why kids don't go here, but sure mine was the annoying post.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I haven't seen all these supposed "yea but look at the 2020 class" comments after the Miami game, but I think the majority of the rational fanbase is in agreement that our recruiting class this year is a really bad look, and that beating Miami by 7 with a +5 turnover differential doesn't suddenly undo everything wrong with the football program.

Never said it undid anything. Just enjoying Tech football winning, fam.

But you're right, lets not drag down this thread with another tired arguement thats filled up 3/4 of the board already.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I dont care whether we are talking about Fuente or the next coach or another school on our level...recruiting is hard to improve. I was merely pointing out that in this fun hypothetical, VT fans are admitting to which schools would interest them enough to visit...but, when the next 4* recruit picks one of those schools over VT, it is deemed a recruiting failure. Perspective is interesting.

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about turkey leg votes

Since California just passed a law that college kids can get paid for their likeness:

1. UCLA
2. Stanford
3. USC
4. California
5. UGA

Wait, is this the six pick? No? Oh well, I added the U-Dub pic to not come off as a total chauvinist and because I have been to Husky Stadium and it is probably one of the most beautiful places on earth. I could see myself as a 5-star shit wrecker enjoying my time at any of the above, however.

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

Man, I can't wait to go sailgating

I've been sailgating once before, definitely worth it. It is entirely as fun as you think it is (as long as it's early enough in the season and the weather is nice). Had to skip the game though as it was the same time as the Battle at Bristol.

Wow! I never knew Washington's stadium was right on the water like that - probably because I've watched all of 2 of their games in my lifetime and they've all been bowl games. That's pretty stunning. Seems like Knoxville, but with cooler weather and fans with teeth and non-blinding t-shirts.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Never been inside UW stadium, but driven by on that bridge several times. Seattle is my favorite geographical area in the states I've been to, would live there 100%

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Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

With Cali passing that players can sign endorsement deals and such I'm picking:
Cal
UCLA
USC
Stanford
Then for the last school Bama or Clemson

1-0 every week

Assuming all the schools were legit interested and willing to take a flyer on me on the off chance I'd consider their programs...

Oregon

Washington

Texas A&M

Wisconsin

Florida

no need for a visit to VT, I'd be unofficially visiting 6 times per season.

1. VT
2. VT
3. VT
4. VT
5. VT

What's wrong with VT recruiting when even the most rabid fan don't have their school in contention "if" they was a 5*.... smh.

It is a natural gift I posess to create friction in sensitive situations.

As a WR
1.) OU, 2.) ND, 3.) UTx, 4.) Clemson, 5.) Southern

As a DB
1.) LSU, 2.) OSU, 3.) VT, 4.) UF, 5.) Southern

I played wr and db as a youth, so my schools would be all about improving my techniques at my positions. And my 5th choices would be going to a HBCU homecoming. If you aren't AA you can't imagine the fun a *5 athlete would have at a HBCU homecoming...........

Why would you ever trade down yourtalents for something you get without football - i.e., a degree from any SEC school not named Vandy. I got int tech without football - let's trade up. This years class of QBs shows it doesn't matter where you go to school - great players find it to the NFL if they are good enough. In that light, I go get the most valuable degree possible while playing football.

Stanford or Cal Berkeley
Northwestern
Duke or GT
Michigan or Texas
Vandy

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Texas
4) Stanford
5) Penn State

I'd have to go with these based on the school being in a college town (Austin is probably an exception for a "College Town" but it would be a pretty darn cool area.)

1. VT
2. Hawaii
3. Arizona State
4. Notre Dame
5. Louisville

Since I would commit on the spot to a VT offer, let's do Hawaii for a couple days, Hang in Scottsdale, Bang a couple hookers at Louisville, and visit one of the great shrines of college football.

I'm pretty sure Hawaii only allows commits to OV, so you might have to be one of those short term commit/decommit guys haha.

Notre Dame. If they're offering, case closed. No one else close. Academics, tradition, national standing and exposure, university values, national schedule, pathway to NFL. And the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, Play Like a Champion, the Grotto, the Leprechaun, the ND Fight Song, Knute Rockne the Gipper and the Four Horsemen.

And that would make my Dad smile from ear to ear, and his chest to swell with pride in his grave. Irish and Catholic. He raised me to love ND, and rooted for them religiously from the 1930's 'til the day he passed. I Love My Hokies, but on this one I am now heading swiftly for the exit, feel free to go ahead and down vote. :-)

ND stole "play like a champion" and Chip Brian Kelly killed a kid.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Rudy was offsides

We put the K in Kwality

Yep, responded with my personal perspective, knowing full well the animus that so many VT fans hold towards ND. You could at least show them a little appreciation for that ass whipping they put on the boys from C-Ville.

Nah Chip Kelly only killed his coaching reputation. Brian Kelly killed a kid.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Yep your right, I get those two mixed up a lot.

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I agree with you on

Academics, tradition, national standing and exposure...national schedule, pathway to NFL. And the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, Play Like a Champion, the Grotto, the Leprechaun, the ND Fight Song, Knute Rockne the Gipper and the Four Horsemen.

And your dad. That's cool for you and him.

But on university values, I'm going to take you to task. Notre Dame is no better than FSU, PSU, UTenn, or any other college where athletes are above the law, even in violent crimes, and that fact makes my blood boil.

2017

2012

2012 as well

Comparing ND and PSU

And Brian Kelly killed a kid.

I don't think the latter assertions you list are reflective of the university values at ND. As with any case regarding legalities I leave it to the legal record as opposed to the editorial narrative.

Most of this is very true. Too bad none of this mattered in our shittty TV and bowl deals.

As a quarterback: Power 5 school, great weather (sorry Big 10), passionate fanbase (sorry Miami), babes, ability to compete for the starting job as a true/redshirt freshman, strong OL (not trying to take hits), solid to strong academics

1) USC
2) Texas
3) Alabama
4) Clemson
5) Georgia

How has Stamford not made anyone's list? Lets talk about football pedigree and great academics!

Literally the first one I listed. I would love to take a visit there.

Unless you're literally talking about StaMford, the small town in Connecticut. Lol

I'm just below at the top as well...you know, after the Cali Bill gets enacted.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

As a 5 star, I am probably thinking that in 3 years II'm about to get paid. Any 17 yer old would, so i would probably be looking at where I have the best chance to make it into the NFL.

1. Bama
2. UGA
3. Clem
4. USC (west) (weather)
5. OSU

Correy

If I was a 5* I would commit to PSU, then leave them last minute to piss them off even more.

VT
Clemson
LSU
Texas
Hawaii

I've always found it extremely ironic that Miami has been penalized more than anyone in the country, except SMU, for recruiting violations; yet they have probably the easiest sales pitch. South Beach, high profile program, good academics, in the middle of the most fertile hotbed of talent, tons of high profile NFL alums, etc.... the list goes on.

Georgia, Texas A&M, Florida, Clemson, Auburn

1. The University of Alabama
2. The University of Auburn (Tell them what Alabama paid me)
3. LSU (Tell them what Auburn paid me)
4. Texas A&M (Tell them what LSU paid me)
5. Virginia Tech ( Tell them I am Hokie)

If there is no enemy within the enemy outside can do us no harm.

Lmao. Smart.