QB Development Criticism: A Data Driven Analysis

Since the beginning of this season, I've noticed that comments trashing ability of the VT staff to develop QBs have become increasingly common and generally agreed upon on TKP, particularly the opinion that Hendon Hooker and Quincy Patterson are way behind schedule in their development as 4* recruits.

I had a hunch that the fan expectations for our QBs were largely born from recruiting accolades and did not align with the historical realities of QB performance at the collegiate level. As such, I decided to compile data on the Top 30 QB recruits per 247 composite ranking and Elite 11 Finals attendees for each recruiting class going back to 2010 (247 started rating recruits in 2010 and the older data sourced from other sites is prone to inaccuracies). I chose to use the Top 30 QBs + Elite 11 recruits as these constraints capture players with similar expectations to HH and QP based on recruiting accolades, as well as provide a significant collection of data points (324 total, though the performance of many recruits from 2016 onward is still TBD).

Next I attempted to develop an objective ranking system based on collegiate performance. This system was refined as I started looking at the career stats (taken from Sports Reference) for each of the players. After some tweaks, I decided upon the following system and including the use of 0.5 points to capture performance between two given ratings:

  1. P5 - very limited/no experience or poor performance; G5 - below-average or worse performance
  2. P5 - backup/limited experience, average performance or spot starter, below-average performance; G5 - full-time starter, average performance
  3. P5 - full-time starter, average performance (no all-conference teams); G5 - full-time starter, above-average performance
  4. P5 - full-time starter, multi-season above-average performance or single season all-conference; G5 - full-time starter, multi-season all conference or Player of the Year
  5. P5 - full-time starter, multi-season all-conference or single season POY or national award winner

After recording a rating for each player, I looked at historical performance of the entire sample set, 5* recruits, 4* recruits, 3* recruits, Elite 11 recruits, recruits comparable to Quincy Patterson (+/- 0.03 recruiting rating), and recruits comparable to Hendon Hooker (+/- 0.03 of his recruiting rating). Additionally, I created broader classification categories including Start % (% of recruits in a given category that made at least one P5 start), Bust % (% of recruits with a rating < 3), and Stud % (% of recruits with a rating > 3.5).

So what does this data tell us?

First off, being a 5* recruit means a hell of a lot more than anything else. Nearly 1/4 of 5* QBs are studs and 2/3 make a P5 start... but 1 in 3 are still busts. Elite 11 QBs have a similar chance of being a stud but less than 1/2 make a P5 start and almost twice as many are busts compared to 5*s. The difference between 4* recruits and 3* recruits in the top 30 are much less dramatic, with 4* having a slightly better chance to make a P5 start and lower chance to bust while the stud rate is essentially equal.

As far as QP and HH go, recruits with comparable ratings are nearly twice as likely to be a bust as they are to make even 1 P5 start and are 3.5 times more likely to be a bust than a stud. In fact, the probability of both QP and HH being a bust is 47%, while the probability of both being studs is 4%. Honestly I don't know enough to judge Fuente and staff's ability to develop QBs, but even if QP and HH never succeed at VT it is far from damning evidence. In fact, they exceeded the odds with Josh Jackson, who was a 75%+ chance to bust, developing into a serviceable multi-year starter.

Anyway, I hope this gives some context to the current situation at QB and shows that while it's exciting to get caught up in recruiting hype and hope for the next coming of MV7, the reality of recruiting hype translating into on-field performance at the P5 level is far less certain. Ultimately, I agree that the staff needs to find or develop a QB that can run the offensive more effectively- whether that guy is a highly touted 4*, a JUCO transfer, a walk-on, or whatever. Prior to this season, I had suspected that QP's development was going to be the deciding factor in Fuente's tenure but after running the numbers I can see why Fuente continues to bring in QBs to compete and would want to play the numbers game to increase the chances of finding a stud.

**BONUS TRIVIA QUESTION**
Which QB has the most P5 starts since 2010?

Finally, I would be more than happy to share my master spreadsheet to anyone interested. I'm not a statistician by any means and would love to see someone in the community add to it or look at the data in a different way to provide additional insights. Initially I thought this would be a quick project and it took far more time than I expected, as figuring out seemingly simple things like how many P5 starts some players made turned out to be pretty time consuming (damn you, Jeremy Johnson).

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Good job! There are Jimmy's and Joe's and there are X's and O's. Fuente doesn't have a problem being a coach, but Vance Vice and Cornelsen might. What Fuente needs is to learn how to run a football program, which I think he will do. He's a good dude who CAN connect with people.

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There are lies, damned lies, and statistics, but this is a decent perspective on the data.

Great work Shakeitallabout! If TKP had a 'reddit gold,' I would award one to you.

Curious to see if noticed any trends in the data (even if you haven't 'proved it out' - Did certain coaches or schools have a better hit rate? If so, this could indicate (a) that school has better coaches, or (b) QBs at those schools are surrounded by more talent, and thus can play better.

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That's a good question. I'm confident Ohio State would come out well ahead of everyone with Braxton Miller, JT Barrett, Cardale Jones, Dwayne Haskins, and even Joe Burrow having success after transferring. Alabama has done better as of late with Hurts and Tua but they have had a lot of highly ranked QBs bust, including 5*s. Similar story with Florida State, as they had a good reputation with QBs under Jimbo Fisher but took a lot of highly ranked QBs who busted.

The schools that tended to stockpile highly rated QB recruits stood out and I suspect logjams at the position contributed to the number of busts and reduced the overall performance rating for some players. USC, Stanford, Texas, and even Cal appeared frequently. I will give another look sorting by school with collegiate performance to see if any other specifics jump out.

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Ran some numbers on hit rates. It's worth noting a few things: 1) this is based on school that the player originally signed with so having success after transferring reflects on the original school here and 2) 112 players do not have a final rating yet as they still have eligibility and could change their fortunes (I did rate a few players who have essentially cemented their ranking, such as Jalen Hurts and Tua).

My hunch on Ohio State was right- they not only didn't have a bust but actually had 100% studs. The other team that didn't have a bust per this data is Florida... except all of the QBs they're getting credited for transferred from Florida (Jacoby Brissett, Will Grier, and Jeff Driskel). Similar story with Texas A&M, who only had 1/5 bust, except 3 of the others transferred (Kyle Allen, Kyler Murray, and Kenny Hill). Missouri, Louisville, and Clemson round out the other teams which have a bust rate of <50%.

Now the bad news. VT has had a 100% bust rate (Travon McMillian, Chris Durkin, Dwayne Lawson, Bucky Hodges). Other schools with 100% bust rates include WVU, TCU, Pitt, LSU, and Georgia (although they have a hit with Fromm). Interestingly, I would say most of those schools are far more well known for defense as well.

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VT has had a 100% bust rate (Travon McMillian, Chris Durkin, Dwayne Lawson, Bucky Hodges).

Interesting that those are (1) all Beamer recruits, (2) 75% switched positions, and (3) from my recollection, I don't think any of them (except Lawson) were really expected to play QB, but I might be mistaken.

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With TMac, during recruitment it was essentially "We'll give you a chance at QB but we're probably going to move you to RB". They let him play QB the first practice, he sucked and everyone mutually agreed for him to move to RB by the second practice.

Regarding 1), that's just a product of time as Josh Jackson, Hendon Hooker, and Quincy Patterson will eventually be included, as will Braxton Burmeister (for Oregon). For 3), I think a fair amount of fans expected Bucky to be the heir apparent dual threat at VT- essentially the second coming of Logan Thomas. I don't believe Durkin was viewed as a guaranteed position change but I don't recall quite as much about him. I believe French said he was a hard runner that would have to develop his passing.

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So you have already labeled HH a bust, but not Tate Martell for OSU?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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No, neither of them have a final rating yet as they fall into the TBD category of players with remaining eligibility. I certainly agree the likelihood of success is diminishing for both and if Martell stays at WR, he'd be a bust. Players have changed positions only to transfer and go back to playing QB though.

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Got it

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So if the takeaway is that we're in-line with the stats on how QB's bust, that's fine, but I'm hoping we can at least agree the 'QB Whisperer' moniker can go.

Empirically speaking Jarod Evans was our best QB under CJF, and he wasn't 'developed' by our staff. He joined a few weeks before the season started. Josh Jackson appeared to look like he could be a star in his first game, then seemed to get progressively worse as his career went on. Willis is absolutely playing worse than he did last year. QP and HH have both been here a while now and we can't trust either to make a pass.

Regardless of the stats presented (which clearly took time, so good on you, OP), I think we can agree that development, especially at QB is severely lacking.

Edit: Also worth noting, that considering the way we recruit, we're going to have to find QBs who can really play in order to get us competitive. We're not coming close to that now. Even if we're 'in-line' with bust stats, that's not good enough given everything else we're doing.

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That's not what I said at all, but okay.

It absofuckinglutely is.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

The large dataset does not determine whether or not we've developed QB's properly. We have two four star guys with 2 and 3 years in the program who we don't trust enough to throw even short passes backing up a redshirt senior QB who cannot execute the basic run reads our offense requires or make multiple progressions.

This dataset shows that QB's, even highly rated ones have a high bust rate. However, that doesn't make the reality of our current QB situation any less frustrating.

We have two four star guys with 2 and 3 years in the program who we don't trust enough to throw even short passes backing up a redshirt senior QB

You don't know Fuente's reason for not putting QP out there. All he's said is "I put the best people out there", and "I've been a quarterback who was put out there before I was ready".

So saying we don't trust him to throw even short passes is absolutely unsupported. The logical conclusion would be more that he doesn't want to put him out there before he's in a position for success. Also, he's been in the program one year (enrolled June, 2018), not two or three.

I was mistaken in thinking he was an EE. If he had been I consider two springs and a full season two years in the program. That's two full offseason installs.

Also, I feel completely comfortable stating we don't have much trust with either throwing the ball.

I feel comfortable saying that Fuente doesn't want to put QP in games until he has the best chance to succeed. I thought Fuente was pretty clear about that in the press conference he had last week. (He talked about Willis and himself, but I think he's fairly consistent in his philosophy.)

He put him in games last year.

And I think we'll see him in games this year. But I don't think he was ready to take over the program last year. He was just in to get him some actual game experience.

Hopefully, it won't be when the team is behind, and looking like a desperation bid. If you put him in to replace your starter in a situation like that, you've created a quarterback controversy, and will likely be forced to keep playing him, even if he isn't a complete product yet. I believe Fuente thinks at that level, and not at the "anxious fan level".

Maybe that's the chicken and the egg issue. Does he ever get game ready without playing meaningful minutes in a game? Idk.

True. Probably a matter of degree, but never completely.

Right, Fuente must not like his deodorant.

The QB whisperer moniker was created and driven by the media. Personally I think people are making it out to be a way bigger deal than it ever was just because things aren't going well right now.

As for the QB development stuff, I think there's a misconception about what it even means to develop a QB. Logan Thomas spent time with famed QB trainer George Whitfield and then was coached Bruce Aryans, who is also well regarded for his work with QBs. Should I assume both of those guys don't deserve their rep for developing QBs since LT was converted into a tight end? Or take David Cutcliffe, perhaps the most well regarded QB guru. Daniel Jones actually regressed between his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons, and then performed at his r-Fr level again as a junior. A NFL team thought Jones had top 10 pick talent and yet Cutcliffe never even got him to perform at an all-ACC level (not even third team). What does that say about Cutcliffe?

My point is that QB development is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for fans to judge. I don't think you can selectively say the staff deserves no credit for Evans coming from JUCO or JJ as a r-Fr, especially considering there's a fair amount of evidence that JJ sustained injuries over the course of the 2017 season and then broke his leg early in 2018, but should shoulder all the blame for HH and QP at this point. Many insiders repeatedly cautioned that QP was extremely raw as a recruit and we are literally 3 games in to his redshirt freshman season. With the injury news regarding HH coming out this week, it's quite possible the staff was being cautious with him.

Ultimately I can't agree that there is sufficient evidence to say the QB development of the staff is lacking because we just don't know everything that goes on on a daily basis and there has been so much fluidity in the position over the previous 3 seasons. However, I do agree that at a certain point fluidity and all the other stuff affecting the QB position can't be an excuse any more and that the offense has to be more successful. Many people have bought in to that point being right now, whereas personally I think it's worth giving Fuente through next season before we mash the reset button.

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I think it's worth giving Fuente through next season before we mash the reset button.

I agree that that's the reality of the situation. But if we don't improve this year and have another lousy season, what indicia of improvement are people going to point to that makes you think the light suddenly comes on next year? Especially breaking in a new QB and new defensive staff, and possibly scheme? If we tank this year, he's definitely here through 2020, but in my opinion only for financial reasons. Next season would be essentially a write off with a lame duck coach.

Now I'm really hoping Jerry Kill can help Fuente evaluate this program and make some much needed changes to get back on track. I think that unfortunately means he's going to have to let go of some friends on staff at the end of the day. I think bringing in Kill showed at least some desire to change and improve on Fuente's part. We will see how effective it is as the season plays out.

As far as QB development, he's has to get somebody who can effectively run his scheme, or change the scheme to fit their abilities, period. He's not going to have the benefit of 3-4 more years to try and make something work. I'm eager to see what adjustments he makes to turn the offense around over the next several weeks.

Many would say that Cutcliffe is a QB whisperer who has put out many in the NFL. What's interesting is that Fuente is not that far behind him in QB's that went to the NFL. Now Cutcliffe has a few years on Fu, so its understandable that he has more. But one could say that Fu is still up there and at least a QB talker.

Is the bonus answer Taj Boyd?

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Boyd wasn't captured in my data because he was recruiting class of 2009, but he was the backup for his freshman year so he only got up to 40 starts.

Some hints- it's a two person tie and both schools have the same major school color.

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JT Barrett and Matt Stafford? I think it's Barrett, just guessing Stafford for the Red color

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Jake Browning and Clayton Thorson. Barrett was injured and missed some starts and also Cardale Jones was the starter for several games to start one season.

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I kept reading down the comments and saw the answer after I posted. I also thought Matt Stafford may be too old for the data set. I left this up here for the entertainment of others.

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Regardless of what data shows. Someone has to start and play QB for us.

And maybe be able to run the offense the coach wants to have with basic competency

Someone had to start and play QB for every other team too. You might be surprised at how many QBs racked up dozens of P5 starts and mostly sucked doing it.

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I really enjoyed this from a data perspective. Even anecdotally/from memory there is a significant gap between 5-star and 4-star quarterbacks.

I am more miffed how Fuente, who preaches expected outcomes, ended up in a situation with an erratic quarterback leading his team. It's a real deviation from his football mantra. Relatively speaking, I am surprised Hooker hasn't been a suitable option to challenge Willis during his worst struggles.

I agree that Willis does not seem to conform to what Fuente values in a QB. Fuente seemed to speak fairly highly of JJ and was criticized for being too harsh with his comments regarding Willis last year, so I'm surprised the situation turned out this way (not that I think JJ was a perfect fit for the offense either). Regardless I can't imagine Fuente is thrilled with the QB situation. I do agree it's ultimately on him to make it work, and I think he's trying to get it fixed, but it could ultimately be his undoing.

Still I've been even more surprised to see people say that Fuente must have blinders on with regards to Willis this season. He hasn't been particularly effusive in his comments regarding Willis' play but I get a strong sense that he either feels the options behind Willis aren't close to ready or he's worried about disrupting team chemistry too early in the season rather than a Little League coach insisting on pitching his kid who should be in right field kind of situation.

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I am more miffed how Fuente, who preaches expected outcomes, ended up in a situation with an erratic quarterback leading his team. It's a real deviation from his football mantra.

This is the concern... Fuente said he wanted our identity to be tempo, but we haven't moved quickly since Season 1. He said he wants a QB with expected outcomes, and instead he has a gunslinger. Maybe he hasn't recruited the horses to run his system, but if that's the case, when is it going to change? There's just such a disconnect between expectation and reality right now.

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The whole tempo thing baffles me. How were we able to run it year 1 and it just disappeared. I know we had a more veteran team, but you would think they would practice it this way, so year 4 you would should have players that no other way to run the offense.

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Don't go up tempo when you have a young thin defense. Also, didn't some of the rules change to allow defense to substitute?

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Fuente wants to vary the tempo, not always go up-tempo. Overall, they can't stress the defense as effectively because Willis isn't a multi-threat. He can't reliably read the option or RPOs. Big difference from 2016.

To be fair our tempo is much better than the Stinespring and what's his name years where we'd go no huddle "up tempo" only to snap it with 2 seconds left on the clock.

Many of our year 1 runs were Evans. And his abilities. his read option was strong, and he was a master of tucking the ball and taking what the defense gave him on passing downs.

There is a significant difference between 4* and 5* in general. 50% of 5* players are drafted. Only 25% of 4* players are drafted. But there are 5-6 times the 4* recruits.

If evaluations were correct and there were never injuries then 100% of 5* and 80% of 4* players would be drafted (and of course 0 3* players)

I think this is why Kill was brought in. To examine the backup QBs, the scheme, the running game, and really look at all options. Another pair of eyes. Because they're getting ready to switch some things around I'm willing to bet.

Great analysis, I'm a big fan of recruiting....I like to see these types of numbers

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Thanks for taking the time to pull all this together.

One thing I would like to know is how many busts suffered career ending injuries. It might alter the numbers a bit to remove those as outliers. I think from the perspective of judging development, its probably best to look at the conditional probability of quarterbacks succeeding given that they don't suffer such an injury.

Bonus answer: Jalen Hurts is one of the two.

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He didn't start behind Tua last year so he won't get there.

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Great content, thank you for taking the time. Very insightful, backed with data. The QB position is so critical in football, will make a break a game, a team, a season. I certainly hope Coach gets it right, this team and fan base want so badly to win. I think Willis is both maddening to Fuente but also his brightest hope at this moment. I for one would love to see QP out there, but not if he can't toss it. Getting the ball to our best athletes is paramount right now, and that position group, by and large are the receivers. Willis has the best arm for that. So here's to hoping for better days on the recruiting trail and the field.

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For the bonus: Aaron Murray? Maybe tied with Kevin Hogan.

Feels like those guys were starters forever.

This is a really good guess.

Those are good guesses. Murray tore his ACL toward the end of his senior year and comes up one game short. Hogan only started 5 games as a freshman so he doesn't quite get there either.

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I said this in the other thread. Competition is a great thing, but I feel we are constantly bringing in QBs at this point and not necessarily developing one of them. It wasn't that way under Beamer, but he had some talent in his QB room that could play. The portal is making it easier for them to leave now as well.

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The six names that came to mind were Aaron Murray, Kevin Hogan, Baker Mayfield, Jake Browning, John Wolford, and Landry Jones.

However Landry played in 2009 so exclude him.

Wolford, from my set, doesn't have a primary color match (black)

Same with Jake Browning (bluish purple?)

So that leaves Kevin Hogan, Baker, and Aaron Murray.

I still feel like I'm wrong here and I'm gonna be so disappointed in myself when I hear the answer.

We've got one! Jake Browning started 53 games from 2015-2018.

Baker only started 5 games at Texas Tech his freshman year. John Wolford missed a few games due to injury, but also Wake didn't play for the ACC championship and missed a bowl two years as well.

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How many games did Deshaun Watson start?

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30 in 15 and 16

Like 4-6 as a freshman.

He left as a true junior for NFL so he was never gonna be on this list.

Hmm so if they share a color, what color do you consider Washington? purple, I assume?

Clayton Thorson from Northwestern. Thought about mediocre schools that shared purple with Washington and started looking up QBs. Never heard of the guy but started 53 games.

Yeah my thought moved to Trevor Siemien and Clayton Thorson but I didn't check either.

Yep. It's interesting that Browning had a ton of hype after his freshman year and was seen as a Heisman candidate, but he fell off the map and didn't even get drafted. Meanwhile Thorson somehow racked up 53 starts, never put up great stats, and did get drafted.

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Paxton Lynch?

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I will take the opportunity to say:
QUINCY PATTERSON HAS BEEN AT VT FOR 13 MONTHS

I really think that since we talked about him during recruiting for longer than he has actually been coached, there is a general skewed reality in terms of his development. Also dont forget he was not coming out of a passing offense.

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Beyond that, you have to also remember that QP played HS ball on a team with 2 coaches, and didn't have the training that a lot of other 4-star+ QBs had.

That said, my concern isn't with QP; it's with the development (or lack thereof) of RW and HH.

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Is A.J. McCarron one of the QBs? Wasn't he a 4 year starter around that time frame?

3 year. I've realized during this little trivia experiment that the four year guys are uncommon, but when they do it really feels like those 4 year guys are there for a decade lol.

If Burmeister starts next year, I think we can officially classify both QP and Hooker as busts.

If Burmeister starts, Hooker will obviously not be here any more. Who knows if QP will be.

Im pretty sure Burmeister was brought in to be starter as soon as he was eligible, and unfortunately is an indictment of the QBs on the roster.

Hey, at least in that case we'll have a starter who flamed out in a good program instead of one who flamed out in a bad one! Progress!

It's more an indictment of the NCAA transfer rules, that somehow award waivers to every school but VT.

I think it would be better to just give player one transfer with immediate eligibility, no exceptions. Would certainly work better for VT, since we rarely seem to get waivers approved.

Why are you pretty sure? We need depth as much as starters.

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I'm pretty sure because I'm pretty sure he is better than our starter. Another backup that couldn't unseat Willis is pretty useless.

He may or may not be better than Willis, I have no idea. But, considering Willis is R-Sr, a guy with two years of eligibility isn't worthless as a backup. Especially considering there is a good chance Hooker is on borrowed time.

Anyway, I'm not trying to argue. The coaches may have very well been trying to replace Willis this season. Or they may have been filling the qb room.

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That is interesting information and a good way to look at it. We have had highly rated QBs and guys we had high hopes for bust in the past. Id say Ike Whitaker and Cory Holt could be compared to the two we have now. But to me, the difference is we had a more than serviceable starter who did develop. I guess some could make the case against Glennon, but Im pretty sure he would be the best QB on this team. Could it have been luck? I dont think it was luck that we had an All-American (Vick), ACC POY (Randall), First team All-ACC (MV2), and another ACC POY (Tyrod), Logan Thomas 2nd team All-ACC, all in a relatively short amount of time.

The QB's we have were recruited to run this system and we should be getting better results. This staff was brought here because of their ability to supposedly coach QB's and run a proficient offense. I would say that has largely been a failure up to this point.

I think the singular event that got us off track was Jerod skipping his senior year. That made JJ the starter before he was ready, probably resulted in him being banged up his freshman year. It may not have prevented his injury last year, but he might have avoided some of the bad habits and confidence erosion he clearly exhibited at the end of his freshman campaign and his sophomore season.

The other thing to point out is that if we could get our running game going, our passing game will be better. We are a relatively one dimensional team right now.

I think the singular event that got us off track was Jerod skipping his senior year.

For no good reason, I might add.

It's funny how gifts sometimes just keep giving.

After seeing the Beamer thread I will say that Evans is the one I did not fully appreciate when he was here. I loved him and wish he'd have stayed but I had no idea we'd have so much trouble finding another mobile, 1 read and run QB.

I miss his leadership too.

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After seeing a list of the best transfer portal QB's in the nation and seeing that our very own J.J. is listed as 6th, overall in success, I am convinced this was a huge loss for us.

In the event that this season's QB' continue to struggle and not grow, the transfer portal needs to be a big priority in the off season to see if we can snag a big dog.

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After seeing a list of the best transfer portal QB's in the nation and seeing that our very own J.J. is listed as 6th, overall in success, I am convinced this was a huge loss for us.

That's an interesting perspective. I still wouldn't see JJ as a great fit for our current scheme and suspect we'll see a regression in his numbers from his first 2 games this season. Also I wouldn't be surprised at all if Tate Martell was listed even higher on that list. That leads me to actually take a bit of an opposite view and say that JJ being rated so highly is more of an example of how shallow the QB pool can be even at the collegiate level.

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I would tend to disagree about JJ. He may not have been the running threat Willis is speedwise, but he was a lot better at the RPO, reading defenses, short to intermediate throws and expected outcomes. True, he wasn't the ideal QB for the system, but he had many qualities that made him quite serviceable. Unfortunately we'll never know what he could have done with the increased talent at WR.

I would agree about the talent pool for QBs though. With a few exceptions, there's a reason those guys weren't starting at their previous schools.

Actually I agree with everything you said. My comment was meant as JJ isn't a dynamic running threat and therefore isn't the ideal QB in this system. I do think he has many pros in comparison to Willis.

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So it has become a game of "Would You Rather". WYR have a QB that makes the correct read in the RPO, but is too slow to cause damage with is feet, OR a QB that makes the correct read 20% of the time but is fast enough to make the defense pay?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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