OT: The French Daily Hot Takes Thread

Scottie Pippen was an excellent defensive play and a solid slashing finisher. He was a bigger Rip Hamilton. He was not a top 50 player of all time. No Jordan, and we saw what happened when Pippen was the guy. *HINT*, Phil tried to make Kukoc the guy, because Pippen WASN'T.

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I don't understand how a man that has such great sports knowledge and takes can have such bad food takes?

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Nobody bats 1.000.

Edit: See below.

It's Monday...first day back after quarantine...catching up with a mountain of work...I'm surprised I was only one decimal place off.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I think that decimal needs to move to the right a spot

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I was just illustrating my point.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

This is as bad of a take as you arguing on twitter once that Jack Morris was better than Greg Maddux

If you want to win in May, you take Maddux. You want to win a clinching game in the World Series, you take Jack Morris. The guy was the ace, the man, the Game 1 guy for three different World Series champions.

I think Maddux was a great pitcher. But, winning time, I take Smoltz before him on the Braves, much less the bigger conversation.

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His stats in the World Series he played are very good (<2.1 ERA for example), and I'm not aiming this at you, but I hate hate hate the "winning" argument for Pitchers and QBs. They are part of a team, and context matters. This is the line of thinking that leads people to say that Troy Aikman was better than Dan Marino.

I think those Braves teams were obviously exceptional on the mound, but never quite complete offensively and Bobby Cox managed his way out of a few postseason wins at times.

Aikmen was not better than Marino.

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Amen, and that's why I made sure to say I wasn't aiming my complaint at you. I just really hate the laziness of many sports figures (cough Wilbon/Cowherd/Bayless) that attribute "winning" to certain athletes.

Winning means more when one player clearly carries his team to wins. Marino did that. Put Aikmen on those Dolphins teams and they are 8-8 teams.

Still, winning does matter. It just should be balanced with how the player played as part of those big wins and losses. That is why I exalt Steve McNair, who never was a great stat QB and has been largely forgotten. But, McNair carried his teams (often to his own physical detriment) and played great even in playoff and Super Bowl losses. Meanwhile, Peyton Manning won two Super Bowls and played like garbage in every "biggest game of the season" minus the loss to Pittsburgh the year theBig Ben Steelers won their first SB. Context matters.

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Peyton Manning is probably one of the most overrated athletes of all time. Put up huge stats when it didn't really matter and routinely struggled in the big games. Same thing when he was at UT. Put up big numbers and then always ran into the Gators.

All time French sports story-
Joe and I were at the old Hard Times in Clarendon, Arlington. A Ravens vs Colts playoff game. The Colts had been winning and the Ravens had tied the game. I saw Manning's body language and I turned to Joe and said "if he gets pressured early on this series, he will throw a pick later."

First down, Manning got forced out of the pocket. He rolled to his right and short hopped a ball to a wide open running back. After a second down run, Manning dropped down on 3rd down and threw a brutal pick six. I turned to Joe, didn't say a word, and raised my arm over my head like Judd Fucking Nelson.

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I always felt like Manning's teams won as much as they did because of Manning, but had major coaching limitations, which just got exacerbated in the playoffs and "on the big stage". Dungy was a good coach, but he was never Belichick. Caldwell might as well have been the star of a direct-to-sunday-afternoon-tv sequel of Weekend at Bernie's. John Fox was just okay, they had a great defense and Manning had a noodle arm.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Go back and watch for the subtleties- body language, accuracy, and decision making changed in those big spots. He may have been the worst starter for his team in both of his Super Bowl wins. He owes Von Miller and Donnic Rhodes steak dinners for life.

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You knew when he was going to start being awful in a game whenever he got Manning-face. Eli, too.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Ummm Bob Sanders too. That guy played out of his mind in the playoffs for that colts SB win.

There are a number of QBs that arent good in the SB. Look at Elway's SB appearances, absolute crap. Terrell Davis won Elway 2 superbowls. The Montana's and Brady's of the world are the exception.

And that is why Montana is and will always be the best.

I believe in the opposing fan test. If I am rooting for the team that a star is going against, I judge how great he is by how much he scared me.

Montana, Elway, Marino, and Kosar scared the bejesus out of me- even though as a Bills fan my team beat all but Kosar to get to Super Bowls.

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Let's not forget about the kid in Boston that threw to a bunch 5th round draft picks and picked up a few rings. I hear he's retired to Florida this year.

I think Brady belongs in the conversation much more than Peyton Manning, but I have watched so little NFL since about 2008 (first I was involved in flag football leagues on Sunday morning and slept afterwards) and then writing the film reviews here. The last Super Bowl I felt any kind of rooting interest for was the Drew Brees vs Manning Super Bowl.

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Montana beat Marino's Dolphins (comfortably), Esiason's Bengals (in one of the best final drives in SB history) and destroyed Elway's Broncos. He won 3 SB MVP's. Was 4 for 4 in Super Bowls, won 2 prior to Jerry Rice's arrival. Not bad for a 3rd round pick.
Marino was a savvy QB. I remember seeing him elude rushers by just taking a step to one side or the other and throw a dart.

Correy

A fellow Bills fan? Been one my whole life. Am sorry. But I now understand the Thurman Thomas mention on athletes no one talks about anymore.

HTHokie93

Winning when it matters is a skill. Sone people luck into a big game win, others know how to win the bug game. Wilt Chamberlain was a far superior athlete to Bill Russell, but Russell knew how to win. Russell wanted to win more. Just because sone one is better athletically doesnt mean they are going to win.

Next thing you know this guy is gonna say cheese sucks

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Cheese is the worst. Who was the guy who went "the milk has gone bad. Let's eat it!"

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Probably the same guy who plucked a fungal growth off the pile of s___ it was growing on and ate it.

But mushrooms are awesome - just like cheese.

For the record, your posts are always so insightful I hate disagreeing with you. But not liking cheese crosses a line!

Oysters. Who's that brave, right? And yet someone was.

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Yup. I'm thinking the first guy to eat a crab or lobster did it out of spite, while a digit or two were wrapped up tightly.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

At least their meat actually looked like meat.

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And thankfully someone did eat a crab. So tasty.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Nachos without cheese is just chips and salsa. Pizza without cheese is an abomination. Grilled cheese sammiches are just toast. I could go on. Cheese is glorious!

Toast- one of humanity's perfect inventions, was ruined with the edition of cheese. Plus, toast scares away Boston College Jesuits (one of this board's longest running inside jokes)

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So our guys should have duct taped toast to our jerseys prior to this past season's game?

Edit: also, I need to go look up the joke about toast.

Yes. Jesuits hate toast. It is like garlic to vampires.

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was ruined with the edition of cheese

Was it a First Edition?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Nope it was a...

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Thank you. Tip your servers. Try the veal.

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probably the same guy who said something like that about grapes

and milk is awful unless it is real cold and full of crushed saltines...I love cheese

milk is awful unless it is real cold and full of crushed saltines

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

I had forgotten about that. Ate that as a kid all the time. No sure if I got it from my dad, but I probably did. He was a Depression kid too.

TIL that my wife grew up on that as well. Who says that marriage is dull?

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I mean, it's basically a bowl of cereal, so it's not that weird. I've never eaten it though.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

We did cornbread crumbled into buttermilk. And one of my favorite snacks, passed down from my Grandfather; Little Debbie oatmeal pie w/ glass of buttermilk.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

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Delete your account.

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

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We have reached 'Full Rona' when MsSusieCue enters the thread

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Darryl Tapp

Great to see your smiling face. Hope to get to meet you one day and tattle on all the things French gripes about in the boat. And just think of the break you're getting right now with him down south!

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Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

You're funnier than he is, too!

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Milk never goes bad, it just changes form. Milk to buttermilk, to sour cream, to cottage cheese, to cheese.
And I am not a big "cheese" lover either.

Some guys just aren't suited to be the Alpha Dog of a team, and Pippen was one of those guys.

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Best players from my peak professional sports fandom that nobody talks about anymore:
Isaiah Thomas
James Worthy
Hakeem Olajuwon
Thurman Thomas
Don Mattingly

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Hakeem was so good that people don't really question him being taken over Michael

VT '17

Portland had Clyde already. They lacked a big man. The Dream was a no brainer...and given the attitude around the league at the time, Hakeem probably would have been #1 no matter.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Respect the list. I would say Hakeen gets talked about plenty (blocks, Rockets Championships), just overshadowed by a stacked draft.

Don Mattingly did it to himself by being a terrible manager.

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

Hakeem is one of the greatest of all time. If he played in the Bill Russell era, no one would remember Bill Russell.

Worthy is Pippen in a Lakers uni.

John Stockton don't get enough love, IMHO.

Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman going around it in the NBA Finals where the ref finally had enough of their flopping he called foul on both.

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Stockton is on my most overrated list. Poor shooter, not great defensively, and a very dirty player. He benefitted a ton from Malone, who was an all time great.

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Members of the '92 Dream Team are exempted from hot garbage takes . . . even Laettner (but I still hate him).

Wait, so what kinda stat would you call take-aways/steals? Not defensive?

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

Go back and watch. Top offensive point guards are him up, especially if officials called the game close because he, like Isaiah, were rotten dirty players.

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You must be a Bulls fan. Some big hate on Isaiah.

Correy

I was a Knicks fans at the time, but I didn't like Isaiah Thomas.

At the same time, he was an amazing player and gets nowhere near the credit he should for his playing career.

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I hated Stockton. He was a very dirty player but, always got away with shit because he played the innocent look so well.

I will talk about Hakeem all you want. He was so smooth. Big men weren't supposed to look like that. That mid to late 90s was fantastic for watching centers, Shaq, The Admiral, Ewing and The Dream are 4 of the top 10 centers of all time. You also had Zo, Mutombo, and Yao Ming playing. I think Parrish was still in the league too.

I recall reading a story about a female sports reporter interviewing Hakeem about his early life. They talked about how great a volleyball player he was, soccer, etc. Finally she asked him if there was any sport he wasn't really good at, and he said that there was one. He said he'd never been able to swim. The reporter cheerfully remarked that there was something she was better at than him then and he replied, "Yes, but I can wade out farther than you." I think I got that right, if not, it's close. Dude was cool.

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That's a perfectly cromulent list, but incomplete without Rickey Henderson.

โ€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.โ€
โ€• John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Pippen was good. Pippen was GREAT as Michael's #2. Should he have been paid better than 122 in the league? Yes. Should he have been paid in the top 10 in the league? Heck no. He played his role, and it was glorious during that time. But he couldn't handle the #1 no matter.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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And when he got paid, his game went in the crapper. (No shame, happens to most of us in our 30s.)

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Just looked up some numbers. Scottie's career high was 47. And that was in '97. (Jordan had 24 that game.)
Jordan scored OVER 47 points 67 times, 12 of those in the playoffs.

What's interesting is that the Jordan/Pippen combo don't show up on the top 20 list of all-time combo ave scorers for that season. Pippen drew attention away, to some extent. But Jordan could score AT WILL no matter what was thrown at him.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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How do we want to do this thread - comment on French's hot take or can we contribute our own? A hot takes thread where we all throw out #taeks would also be fun.

Your Pippen take is perfectly correct. He thrived in a very particular situation where his talents were needed. But "greatest defender of all time" isn't going to get someone top-50 status. Plus... [whispers] don't sign that contract when the damn owner of the team says not to.

I'm not sure where Dennis Rodman fits as a defender but the dude could rebound. Larry Bird was also an avid rebounder and all-around trash talker who can back it up.

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Larry Bird was legitimately the best trash talker the NBA has ever seen.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

This is going to be a daily posting of what is potentially unpopular opinions.

A doozy is coming tomorrow. My ass may be waving from the flag pole in the evening.

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Is it that mens fashion has gone to shit because of this sock craze? Look it's really easy, the socks and pants should match. So when you decide to wear festive socks with reindeer on them then you need to wear pants with reindeer on them.

Star Wars > Star Trek
Marvel > DC
Pie > Cake

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Star Wars > Star Trek

Be more specific. The prequels that featured Jar Jar Binks is better than badass Jean-Luc Picard?

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that's a rabbit hole you don't want to go down...haha

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Warhammer 40K > Star Wars and Star Trek combined.

I will open that big can of worms anytime.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Any one of the stargate series is better than the best of the Star Trek series.

Marvel is only better than DC in the cinematic universe.

Agreed

HTHokie93

Star Wars (prior to 2012) > Star Trek

HTHokie93

French's bad takes really are so so so bad, aren't they?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yup.

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

I reset my vote to offset the downvote because if French DV MissSusie, that might be his worst take of all time

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Who else would dare?

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LOL

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

When the Hokies decided to enter the stadium to Enter Sandman, they should have picked "The Rooster" by Alice in Chains instead. The slow build... the underdog taking the wood to the enemy. Never say die. It spoke to what VT football was built upon.

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Wow.
Rooster is a good song. And I see what you're saying with the message. But it's not a stadium entrance song. The song needs some energy to get the stadium loud. I think it'd be pretty fun to play at the end of a big win though.
And that's the best way I can handle your post.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I love Alice in Chains and the song Rooster, but I think you are correct of not having that energy with the stadium.

I like to think of this to bring the energy, also love the album cover shown from the late 80s.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Originally, Enter Sandman was more of a soundtrack to the entrance video. It took a while for the jumping to become a thing.

By the way, does anybody have a link to that original intro video....maybe nostalgia talking but I remember getting serious goosebumps every game.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I forgot how awesome this was. I remember the first time they showed it. Chills.

They should bring it back. Maybe a throw back for one game. Or...Would be a cool 2nd half entrance.

We put the K in Kwality

And then they promptly changed it up in 2001 with some other song before Sandman

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

The Rooster takes waaaaayyy too long to kick in. Besides, a song about dudes dying in Vietnam doesn't exactly shout, "Get Pumped up for some football!" Hell, even when it really gets going, the beat is way too slow for anyone to jump up and down too.

I've previously posted the opinion that "Enter Sandman" isn't even that good of a Metallica song, but the slow, but not too slow, build-up, the drums kicking in so everyone can jump up and down to it, followed by the song fully kicking in timed with the team running out of the tunnel make it a great entrance song. I would prefer "For Whom the Bell Tolls" but "Enter Sandman" just hits the right sweet spots required for an entrance song. Mariano Rivera agrees.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

*He didn't die. That was the whole point. #AintFoundAWayToKillMeYet

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I said dudes dying. I didn't specify the protagonist. #MyBuddy'sBreathin'HisDyin'Breath

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

The best thing VT ever did musically is have the band play The Imperial March when the defense got a sack or TFL. That harkens back to the Cornell Brown days. You could even hear it in the background of Bill and Mike's radio broadcasts from Lane in the 93-99 window.

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Rate the following as VT football music, and why:
Enter Sandman
The Imperial March
Hokie Pokie
Stick It In
Tech Triumph
Sha-na-na-na Goodbye

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Imperial March- it befitted an intimidating defense which swarmed the LOS

Tech Triumph- ultimately be yourself. Tradition matters.

Stick It In- correlates to Suggs and Williams, two of the best short yardage backs I ever saw

Enter Sandman- I love the pub it generates and how everyone gets excited. But, in some ways it has become more important than the actual game, especially when folks show the stadium boiling after a disappointing loss. I just never wrapped my arms around it.

Hokie Pokie- as a non alum, it feels silly. I would feel differently if I was an alum

Shananana- never have liked it in any setting. Act like you have been there, even as an underdog

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Stick it in is great. I love the quads rift from the drum section (though I think we use quints)

The shananana I don't like because its arrogant to me, it's not about acting like you've be there to me, its taunting, which lots of winning teams do. It's basically telling a team and their fans to get the F out. And we should be better hosts.

Enter sandman is awesome for firing up the fans, but our play on the field doesn't match the hype lately. It was a fitting entrance back when our team was tough, and our home field advantage was actually intimidating. Maybe it is time for a change, especially when we get bossed by duke at home

Why wouldn't we stop doing the one thing that gets the crowd hyped up and gives us national exposure? \S

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Hokie Pokie- as a non alum, it feels silly. I would feel differently if I was an alum

I'm an alum and I was happy as hell when Hokey Pokey went away. I just hope it stays dead.

The VPI Victory March is also great.

Correy

My UVA friends hated that song, made fun of it, so I liked it even more. I must admit, though it came later in my fandom and while I have never cared a pine needle for Metallica, I really love the Sandman thing. It works, pumping up the crowd, it almost seems like it's always been there.
Still never heard the song, other than what they play at the games, but that jumping thing is cool as it can be.

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I like that the last year or two they stopped having the band start playing Tech Triumph halfway thriugh the entrance(and fading out Enter Sandman) and instead let the song keep going and the crowd sings along to it(first time they did it I think was at the Fedex WVU game). Now the second chorus pretty much carries the momentum to the coin toss. Even though few people accurately sing the second verse, hearing the crowd singing the chorus acapella sounds really awesome in my opinion.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

So this is what happens when I say your hot takes couldn't possibly get worse? Is this your " hold my beer" moment? Howard Stern called, said to get a new schtick. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

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Wow

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The opening chords of Enter Sandman are a perfect quick buildup to a punch you in the mouth payoff. Its perfect for the jump that was created. You can't jump to Rooster. The mystique of the Lane Stadium Entrance wouldn't exist without the jump. Ergo, The Rooster would have sucked.

Also,

I rest my case

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What does "Laywered" mean?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

E.S. has a great build up. Two other songs I think could be goood for intro are Walk by Pantera or Blind by Korn.

Correy

Dude, yes

"ARE YOU READY!!!!!!"

We could also play "walk on home boy" after nice plays.

Hail to the King A7X also, Down With a Sickness too but kinda overplayed IMO

All-time "Yikes" take

"Now Miami wants to talk about it." *Cue Enter Sandman*

I would rather eat chuck eye than filet mignon.

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of course you would

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Alright this is too far.

Wow...Not that it really matters since Ribeye is the superior cut, but, just why?

Ribeye is so much better than every other cut I don't know why any reputable steakhouse would serve anything else

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I can see a place for New York Strip and Filet, but I'll never order them. I've been on a kick of reverse-searing my Ribeyes lately, though I'll probably be able to start grilling again soon. How do you prep yours?

Salt and pepper cooked medium with high heat so the fat gets just a touch of crisp.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Ribeye is also my cut of choice. I usually reverse sear, but will break out the sous vide when I have the extra time. I always sear on 500F cast iron with avocado oil to a perfect medium rare.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Ribeye and TBone are my favorites, but I love a good chuck eye.

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wait, you like a t-bone, over a NY strip or tenderloin alone?

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T-bone doesn't have the tenderloin portion at all, that would be a porterhouse.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

it does, but it's smaller than a porterhouse. No tenderloin at all would be a bone-in NY strip.

The T-bone and porterhouse are steaks of beef cut from the short loin (called the sirloin in Commonwealth countries and Ireland). Both steaks include a "T"-shaped lumbar vertebra with sections of abdominal internal oblique muscle on each side. Porterhouse steaks are cut from the rear end of the short loin and thus include more tenderloin steak, along with (on the other side of the bone) a large strip steak. T-bone steaks are cut closer to the front, and contain a smaller section of tenderloin. The smaller portion of a T-bone, when sold alone, is known as a filet mignon, especially if cut from the small forward end of the tenderloin.

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Yes, the T-Bone has a tenderloin portion. The difference between a t-bone and a porterhouse is the size of that tenderloin portion.

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โ€• John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Turns out a T-bone does have a sliver of loin on it in case anybody was wondering, lol.

All my steak takes are mostly in jest anyway. I will eat a well done flank steak if is in front of me. If it is too bad, I will throw some gravy on it.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Ok now I'm starting to think you're making hot takes to just make hot takes.

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

This has to be a test to see who has been down-voting opinions, right??

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Ask Ms Susie Cue. I asked her what my worst opinion was last night. She said "I don't know. At this point I have Helsinki syndrome from your bad takes." Keep in mind, we hav been stuck at opposite ends of Virginia for more than a month now.

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Dude, your quotes are as bad as your takes!

I said Stockholm's syndrome, French!

I hope your film reviews are better than your conversation recaps. Just saying.

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ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

To be fair, I actually pay attention to the games.

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Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

And now come all the people with no taste buds to defend filet mignon. Another vote for ribeyes here.

defend it over chuck steak? that's not difficult.

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Valid point. But if you want something soft with no flavor, mashed potatoes are much cheaper.

You are making them wrong. Boil the potatoes with the skin on to keep the starches in, otherwise you get a watery bland mashed. Also add the butter, mash, then the milk, mash again, otherwise the water in the milk will bind to the potato starch and keep the butter fat out.

Better yet use a mix of 50/50 bacon grease and butter instead of all butter

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I prefer other cuts specifically the ribeye, but if your steak, no matter the cut, doesn't have great flavor then that's just bad cooking

I repeat, delete your account.
Jeez, this from the man who continues to order a NY strip even though he wants a ribeye ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ
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Tell him to stick to the fish. Much easier to figure out for him.

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Its a good thing you like and can dissect football, because there's something seriously wrong with the rest of your thoughts

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Football and fishing....excellent.
Everything else.....not excellent.

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Two outta three ain't bad?

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The correct order beef cuts in terms of delicious:

Tenderloin > Picanha > Porterhouse > T-bone > Ribeye > NY strip > prime rib > brisket > short ribs

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Where would you rank a Flatiron?

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Flatiron, chuck, tri tip, shanks do not make the cut. Better to ground them into burgers or chop and fry them into steak sammies or burritos

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I think you're way underrating brisket, but that might just be me overrating it because of how it's usually prepared

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah if it has to be prepared to be good, it isn't that great of a cut. But a well prepared brisket is really good I will admit.

Similarly, I say bear meat is horrible. But the retort I usually get is that you have to do this or that to it and it can be good. And, I respond that you can add enough other flavor to any meat and make it edible, but why not just start with better meat.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I'm just saying that he said "in terms of delicious" and brisket is pretty darn delicious, is all

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This sounds exactly like the Pronghorn conversation that happens approximately half a million times a year in Wyoming. Damned if that tenderloin ain't great though. Game meat is a whole different...er...ballgame.

Agree with the bear meat. I mean, I love meat and will eat most of it if it's chewable, but bear meat grossed me out. The greasiest meat I've ever cooked, and a rank flavor and disagreeable texture pushed it into the "no thanks" column for me. That said, if an excellent cook with experience with the stuff asked me to try it, I certainly would, but I'd sure be hoping for a better experience than my first one.

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you know, brisket gave me the most trouble, precisely for the reason you're describing. Prepared right, brisket probably is 3rd. Prepared wrong, it doesn't make the list. I guess that's true for all cuts of meat, but brisket especially. And, outside of Texas (and bordering states), good brisket is hard to find. I don't know of any bbq joints with good brisket in VA or NC, for example. I'm sure they exist, but it's not a common thing.

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โ€• John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Do you also only eat your chuck steak well done

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Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

Having for dinner tonight a classic in my family.....a nice top round london broil- salt and pepper only. Grill medium rare. Rest. Slice thin and put a bunch on toast open face style. (Get a good atrisan loaf, slice it yourself, brush with olive oil and quick grill to toast). Pour melted butter over the open face sandwiches.

Eat.

Repeat.

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Green Egg or Traeger?

sandwich rankings
1)pit beef
2) standing rib roast leftover
3) pork loin on Kings Hawaiian
4) Chicken salad
5) Curry chicken salad
6) Roast beef
7) Ham
8) PB and Strawberry jelly

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Banh Mi should be on this list. Diacom radish, jalapeรฑos, cilantro, and pork on a crispy french roll is money!

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Are you from Baltimore? I haven't had a good pit beef outside Baltimore. Charcoal Grill Pit Beef sandwiches are my favorite.

Correy

I grew up in Abingdon Va. I live in Falls Church. I had pit beef for the first time at a fishing flea market at a fire department in Maryland. They were selling pit beef and oysters at 9am.

The next year SusieCue and the kiddo went with me. The flea market was a drag, so we went exploring. We drove from Anne Arundel to Elicot City because Pioneer Pit Beef was supposed to be the best. The Yelp reviewers were on point. It was amazing, and I will make that drive about once a month to grab a sandwich (or two.)

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And for all my many failings, MsSusieCue gets a pit beef drop off at work on those days.

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Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

I am assuming you did not count a few of these as sandwiches, but what about
1. Hamburger
2. Pulled pork
3. Cuban
4. Po Boy
5. Capicola, salami, and soppresetta

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I like all but 5, and 3 with no cheese.

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I don't care for knockwurst (or most sausages and hot dogs) because the "juice" upsets my stomach badly. Melted swiss would have been a disqualifier.

Now, pastrami or corned beef, coleslaw, and some thousand island, or a reuben without cheese, are on point.

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Hit Rosenfelds in OC or Rehoboth for a killer Reuben.

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James Bond Rankings

1. PIerce Brosnan
2. Sean Connery
3. Daniel Craig
4. Roger Moore

Oops sorry this is the French hot takes.

1: Timothy Dalton
2: connery/Craig
3: Brosnan
4: Moore.
5: Lazenby shouldn't even count.

Your list is almost perfect, but Lazenby goes above Brosnan and Moore. OHMSS gets way more shit than it deserves, and is safely one of the 10 best Bond movies.

Love to see other people rank Dalton first though. His take on the role is truest to Fleming's character. Wish he'd have gotten the gig earlier, rather than letting Roger Moore stay in the role for so long. He should have aged out after 3 movies, tops.

Brosnan gets waaaaay too much credit for Goldeneye alone. The movie was solid, but imagine how much better it would have been if Timothy Dalton had stayed on. He would only have been 48, still younger than any other Bond actor in their final film except Lazenby, and only 2 years older than Moore was in his FIRST film. And if you take away Goldeneye, Brosnan's time in the role is "meh" at best. Maybe if Dalton stayed on, Brosnan never becomes Bond, and instead sticks to rom-coms where he belongs.

The Lazenby fight scenes were the point that i turned against him. They all look like the were done at half speed, then they sped up the film to make it look right. None of the motions look right.

But he did all of them himself. No doubles for him. Like he says the beginning "this never happened to the other guy."

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Can't blame the actor for the director and editor's job. Also, it was 1969, so obviously not as polished a product as we get today. Plenty of Connery's fight scenes can be similarly critiqued.

Moore and Brosnan were too much pretty boys. You couldn't take them seriously in a fight. Connery and Craig hit that balance perfectly where they could pull off a tux and seduce a chick, but you could also easily see them winning a barroom brawl.

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I actually agree with your list. Every one.

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Seriously, after all this time...

Connery
Craig
Dalton
Moore
Brosnan
Lazenby

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

Thank you. Finally the correct ranking. Connery was, is and always shall be the 007 gold standard. Craig and Dalton have done good work in the field. Moore was too clownish and too old later. Brosnan tried his best, but just didn't have the gravitas for the role. OHMSS was a decent flick for the time, but Lazenby is easily forgotten.

Bond has to be a mix of unwaveringly loyal English spy, roguish playboy, deeply injured soul, and cold-blooded assassin all at once. Tough to pull all of those off for any actor.

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I..... don't disagree with this.

Maybe the reason for this is that, to me, Goldeneye was really my introductory Bond. Yes, the Dalton movies were coming out when I was young, but Goldeneye was the defining movie for me, and a lot of that had to do with the N64 game.

With that said, while I would say that Daniel Craig isn't a Top 2 Bond, Casino Royale might be my all time favorite Bond film.

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Craig
Connery
Moore
Brosnan
Dalton

1. Connery/Craig
2.Lazenby
3.
4.
12.
74,876. Dalton/Moore/Brosnan

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Golden Eye is my favorite Bond movie. That probably isn't unpopular with people 35-45 years old.

What is an unpopular opinion-
Izabella Scorupco > Famke Jannsen. Ms. Scorupco is one of my top celebrity crushes.
Sorry, not sorry.

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Clearly the one with Denise Richards was the best film, in both quality of acting and believability that her qualifications incorporated Nuclear Physics.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

This might be the first hot take I can somewhat agree with.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

The video game was better than the film!

I can directly attribute at least (0.4) of GPA to my roommates buying this game the week before finals in 1998.

I'm a HUGE Famke fan.

I really liked Eva Green in Casino Royale too.

GoldenEye is now my second favorite since Skyfall came out.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Good weird sandwiches
Roast beef with baby corn and shredded carrots with mayo on a sub roll

Bacon with cantaloupe on toasted plain or blueberry bagels.

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Do you have another wife and family to go with this double life you seem to be living?

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

Watching this unfold is glorious. Thanks to you both for the diversion!

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She is right. I stick more with roast beef LTM and BLTs at home. But, if you have salad bars and deli stations, you can find some good options and mixes.

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I thought it was MLT - "Mutton, lettuce, and tomato."

FTR, I normally am...

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

You are making these up. hahahaha what caused you to add those ingredients to a blueberry bagel.

So, the bacon sandwich is a byproduct of two things: my dislike of cheese and eggs and being forced to eat hotel breakfast buffets, especially at conferences. I was trying to get the max amount of things I could eat to sustain me in case I was forced to miss lunch. That combo provided max meat, carbs, and vitamin c that I could scarf down in a couple of bites.

The roast beef was similar... and also involved hotel buffets. I got tired of eating the same sandwich every time the main course had cheese, so I started experimenting with things I put on my salads. Baby corn, sprouts, and shredded carrots with either mayo or thousand island was a perfect match.

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So more this:

Than this:

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And hear I am just taking another tong full of bacon like a normal person when I could have been making a bagel sandwich. Ok fine, it's like 3 extra tong fulls.

Lots of hotels have peanut butter out so I would make a waffle with peanut butter and syrup with bacon and fruit on the side. But now that's a no go since I gave up sugar, and no one really carrys sugar fee syrup.

Sugar free syrup doesn't really exist.

Yes I know it has sugar alcohols in it.

That's actually not what I meant. I meant that sugar free syrup is such a poor substitute for real syrup that it shouldn't be called syrup.

I am diabetic and if I am going to splurge on pancakes, I am going all in with some maple syrup (or at least the real stuff.) I don't do this very often, maybe twice a year.

Bacon with cantaloupe on toasted plain or blueberry bagels

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Those thin slices of cantaloupe are good on roast beef and ham sandwiches as well.

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Y'know, as whacked as most of his weird food things are, I have to admit that I'd totally eat a cantaloupe bacon toasted bagel, even the blueberry one. I mean, unless you junk it up with mayo, anything with bacon is going to taste great and what's weird about lope, bacon and a toasted bagel on a breakfast plate?

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Yep- no mayo when fruit is added to a sandwich. The sweet of the fruit provides the contrast to the salty of the meat that the mayo normally would provide.

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I could get down on it but it would be better with a thin layer of cream cheese.

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No different than like a cheddar & apple sandwich.

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

Cantaloupe (or other melon) wrapped in prosciutto is a pretty popular flavor combination. Combining melon and bacon isn't that different.

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I liked the one they had in France - baguette with butter, ham similar to prosciutto, and gherkins (the little sour pickles).

Great. Now there's something else I'd really love to have that I won't be able to. Damn that sounds good.

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It's REALLY easy to recreate. If you have a Wegmans or somewhere that as a real, honest-to-God baguette, you just spread the butter, gherkins diagonal about an inch apart, and I just use prosciutto (not the cheapest meat by any stretch, but cheaper if you have a LIDL near you). Now that we're all quarantined, you could always make your own prosciutto, baguettes, and butter lol

Food Lion in Mathews is all I got. I can get prosciutto and butter, but the baguette would be a pale imitation. I was reading your post and was just drooling for a fresh hot French baguette from a real French bakery, good non Food Lion butter and anything prosciutto like. The gherkins I'd also like to taste the French version. That said, I already wrote down the ingredients on my list and I'll see about trying that pale imitation. Thanks.

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Kelsick in Gloucester Courthouse probably has everything you need.

Cream cheese, cucumber, and pepper jelly on toast.

What do you think about this "weird" tuna melt from Mark Warner? LOL..

I am a fruit and meat guy. When I was in Saudi Arabia, we ate at an Armenian restaurant called Lusin. One of the dishes was called
Cherry Grilled Meat-Diced Meat Served with Cherry Sauce. It was the single best thing I have eaten during business travel http://www.lusinrestaurant.com/menu/

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I totally sped read this and thought you said American instead of Armenian, then read the dish as meat diced-meat and wondered what that was and was wildly confused.

I too was wondering what meat-diced meat was...

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I wish I knew if it was minced beef or minced lamb. It looked like logs of hamburger, covered in cherries and sauce. Frankly, it looked gross, but our hosts insisted we try it (which would have been a big insult if we had not tried it.) It was amazing. The night before, we had a big traditional Saudi meal and I tried camel. It was quite delicious. Great sides as well.

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"meat" is typically lamb or goat in that area of the world

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sounds like lamb kofta

In and Out Burger was the single most overrated food experience (and disappointing) in my life. I was really excited to eat there going back to loving the T-shirt logo in the movie Swingers. It was McDonalds, with a much longer wait. Save the cross country flight. Head to the mountains and eat at Pals.

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You obviously went to an impostor. It is 'In-N-Out Burger', and their burgers & shakes are awesome!

It was in Orange County CA. I picked my hotel due to the proximity to the In and Out instead of the proximity to the hospital I was validating. It was a soul crushing experience.

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Yeah I was very disappointed when I first tried In-and-Out myself. Perhaps it was because it was so built up to me over the years as one of the greatest burgers ever. Now that I live in Texas, Whataburger > In-and-Out.

Overrated for sure. One thing about people from SoCal, they think that there has never been a better burger than In-n-Out. That said, it's pretty dang far from McDonalds. Nothing is frozen, pre-made or even pre-cut. It is freshly prepared in their kitchen and is an above average fast-food burger, but far from its hype, especially if you go with their standard advertised menu. Why do they keep their best flavors in a secret menu? idk, but it works for them.

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Best food chain restaurants

1) Pals Sudden Service
2) Jersey Mike's
3) Great American Restaurants
4) Texas Roadhouse
5) Culver's

(RIP Damon's, Logan's, and Weiner King)

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lol jersey mikes

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You bite your tongue.

you bite yours, would probably taste better than jersey mikes

chain's got no business associating their food with new jersey subs at this point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Can you blame anyone from wanting to disassociate themselves from Jersey?

Being serious though. In say Fredericksburg, where should I go to get a good fast cold sub? I can understand that sandwiches in Jersey may be better. How does that help me here?

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if jersey mike's is the best you got, then i guess it's the best you got relative to everything else. and i'm sorry and my thoughts and prayers are with you.

but it does not belong on a list of "best chains", which is decidedly not a list based on the availability of good sandwiches in fredericksburg.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think you need to calm down a little bit and explain your deep resentment towards this fast food chain.

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....it's just not that good, and it's definitely not a good representation of jersey subs.

#2 chain food?????????????????/// #2??!?!?!!?? out of every chain, jersey mikes is #2?

yikes

like we all know french has mostly bad food takes but this is pretty bad

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Hahahah I can give you that I guess.

If I was in Blacksburg I would tell you what my sandwich of choice was and where it came from. I do not find Jersey Mike's to be a bad sandwich though. As far as a 5 minute sandwich goes I'm not sure what out there is better no have had people tell me WaWa before, but I punched them right in the incisor.

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if wawa and jersey mikes in fredericksburg are similar to the wawas and jersey mikes near me (actually in new jersey), you'll get a better sandwich at wawa ten times out of ten. it might be a big if, but i'll leave it at that

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Is part of the distinction about subs what's on them? I used to live in New Jersey and the only sub I'd ever get was an Italian (cold-cut). It was so much better than like 90% of the places I've gotten other Italian subs. I think it was better bread, better meat, and the oil and vinegar (which I think had marinated oregano and maybe other spices in it). I agree, at least as far as Italian subs go, that most chains pale in comparison with the real thing. Wawa's is definitely better than most. Granted, the comparisons I saw below of the chains may be more broadly based than just Italian subs.

yeah those wawa people are crazy. I dont know if I'd say that they are better than subway

JerseyMikes>Firehouse>Subway>Sheetz>WaWa

Quiznos used to be in the middle somewhere. Never really cared for it.

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Extremely accurate. Wawa better than jersey mikes is laughable.

I cannot put Sheetz subs above anybody's.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I can, WaWas. But they are both near the bottom.

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I think the further you get away from US 13 (south-north in Delaware into Philly-where it started) the lower the quality of the sub. Close to that line, it's not terrible. (Didn't say great, but not terrible.)

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I am not saying anywhere on this list is terrible. All I am saying is out of what I listed which I would say are the more common Sub Shops that most everyone can go to (at least on the east coast), they are the bottom of the list. I will still buy a sandwich at WaWa if i need something quick and I am already filling up. But if I am in the mood for a sub, I am not driving to WaWa to get it.

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How can you say a Sheetz sub is better than a Wawa hoagie? 10 out of 10 times Wawa is 1000 times better!

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They are both gas station subs best eaten at 3am after a night of blissful bar hopping. Sheetz has a better stuff to put on the subs. They also have a Fryer which is important at 3am.

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I think Jimmy John's is the exact middle of all subs. I do like the bread, but they are just so bland that there is nothing really good nor really bad about them.

Totally forgot about Jimmy John's. When I lived in Blacksburg I loved them. But they were another late night eat and that skews the thought process. There are Jimmy John's around, I hardly ever consider going.

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Number 6, no cheese. Mike's Way, add mayo. Perfection.

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The mayo at jersey mikes is the best mayo in America.

You mean it doesn't taste like mayo?

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Jersey Mike's is amazing.

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I really feel like this list just proves your horrible taste in food, but
A) you didnt say they were good
B) I can't really think of ones that are better (national chains)

I will eat at Pal's every time I visit my buddy in Bristol. I think I went there 4 times in 3 days last time. Got introduced to Culver's last summer and it was excellent.

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Blue Circle Burger. The original mini burgers. I ate there so much as a kid. It doesn't get better.

What do people like about Pal's so much? The only items that ever stood out to me were the big peach tea and cheddar rounds- and I know French isn't eating those. I have never really made it a point to eat at Pal's but I have stopped by In N Out on most of my trips to California.

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Cheddar rounds are really good. It's just a simple tasty burger. Gravy biscuit was really good. I'm a simple guy and their stuff hits the spot.

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During my dad's last hospitalization, I ate at Pals 13 times in 15 days.

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The Big Pal is by far my favorite fast food burger. It is the closest thing to an good gas station burger when I was a kid. One thing they do well is that they put the toppings on cold, so you have the nice hot to cold contrast instead of it tasting like it has been under a heat lamp.

I love the frenchy fries (I believe the seasoning is the same as the Moore's BBQ potato chips from my childhood.)

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I believe the seasoning is the same as the Moore's BBQ potato chips from my childhood.

I hadn't made that connection, but you could be right. I grew up on Moore's potato chips. They used to put little toys inside, like little plastic dogs with a ball at the end of a string. You'd put the dog on the table, hang the ball just over the edge of the table, and the dog would walk to the end of the table and stop. Hours of entertainment! Ok, a few minutes, but we were easily amused. At least as long as the potato chips held out.

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Also this:

Moore's potato chips go with two smiling lips, sunny days and happy feelings.
They go with scary shows, January snows and balloons that float to the ceiling.
Oh, no matter what for,
You'll always want Moore's potato chips.
You'll always want Moore's!

My wife remembered that jingle almost word-for-word.

Wait, what?

Dude, I lived a few blocks from the factory as a kid. I lived on those things. After moving to Blacksburg I would frequently drive all the way to Pulaski Food City to buy multiple bags because that was the closest available. They've recently been bought out but, the recipe for the flavoring was not. They taste like garbage. RIP Moores :(

Best burgers I ever had were from the Patio Drive-In, just outside Pennington Gap. This is some 45 years ago, though. Don't even know if they're still there. The jumbo burgers seemed like they were 8" across, although I'm sure they were smaller than that. My Dad used to take me there when I tagged along with him when he was working.

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I keep hearing about an amazing hole in the wall burger place in Seven Mile Ford. I haven't been able to try it yet.

I loved HiLo Burger. It was awesome for the big thick burgers.

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It's called Little's. They definitely have burgers that are much better than any chain restaurant. Used to eat lunch there almost daily.

Here's a "Little" help:

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They have good chicken sandwiches as well. I had a metal band that used to practice right beside there. We weren't very popular with the neighbors haha.

Have you been to Melt in Leesburg? Best burger I've had but it did have pimiento cheese on it, so delicious.

It's an old school place, few stools and people sat on the drink cooler. Riverside was in the name. Just really simple, really good burgers smashed and grilled. I could eat three with a couple of Buds, and I'd get another one to go. Problem? It's in Charlottesville.

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Riverside Diner on High near Pantops? Was owned by one of my high school friends dad. We used to kill the burgers and fries there multiple times a week. Been sold a couple of times since then and the quality went down every time.

Tubby's, just up the road has great subs as well, and I was a sucker for a Jack and Jill hot dog as a kid. The football suck in C'ville, but the food options are, or were, pretty damn good.

Riverside Diner it was. I was there in late 70s to mid 80s and took every chance I got to drop in for burgers and beers at lunch. Crazy busy, every kind of person in there from janitors to bank managers. They only served a handful of things, as I recall, but those burgers still haunt my taste buds.

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Oh man, I'd forgotten about that place. Used to love to grabbing a couple of cheeseburgers, a basket of fries, and a cold coke for lunch there. We used to call it the 'thumbprint' b.c you always got the waitress' thumbprint on your burger bun at no extra charge.

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Waitress? They must've come up in the world since my days there. There were two guys behind the counter and you had to belly up and order, then belly up and grab your food. I mentioned the drink cooler because I remember several days there was no seating left at the sparse enough seating there was and the cooler, or maybe coolers were the only seats left in the joint. Time fades my memory of the place, other than windows coolers and tables on the right, grill and counter on the left as you came in. Could you see the river? Seems like I want to remember that you could, but like I said...time.

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I know the guy who was the original owner of Jack & Jill's. He's 98 years old and a pistol! Great guy.

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There's a Pal's less than a mile from my Mom's house, which, if it had been there during my youth, would have been dangerous. My grandmother lived behind the Pal's in Lynn Garden, so Pal's has been a thing with me for almost 50 years.

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A real good burger in Christiansburg is from Dude's Drive In. These are really great!

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Thanks! Will have to check it out next time I'm in the area.

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Co-sign. Been years since I ate from there but yeah good stuff.

Due South and Fatback Soul Shack have one of the best pulled pork sandwich one can get.

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Damn right

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Ever tried Four Borthers Bistro in Richmond? Best burger chain by far.
Also Jack Browns is damn good for a quick burger and beer.

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Kinney burgers in Princeton WV were a teenagers dream meal over 5 decades ago(yes I'm old) They were great sliders. A buddy of mine ate 21 of them one night. Then decorated the side of my dad's car with them on the drive home. I had some explaining to do after that fiasco. Thank god he got the window down.

You can still buy the Kinney sauce at Kroger in Princeton. There is a jar in my fridge right now.

Wait, what?

I found an online history of Kenney's Drive Ins, which spun off of Biff Burger. Is this what you all are talking about. Link: http://www.biff-burger.com/notes.htm
If so, there used to be one in Blacksburg!

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Yep. Right next to Radford Brothers toward Giles, I think. We called it the Skinny Burger. They used to have big promos and sell their burgers for a dime. We were poor as church mice and I'd go by and pick up a sackful to take home for the house for dinner. You had to eat three or four to fill up, but for a dime, I'd pick up 25-30 at a time. It was there in '68 when I started VT, and was still there at least for a while in the early to mid '70s.

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Jersey Mikes is damn near the top of the list for subs. Only issues: takes too long for them to make one typically, and you have to eat "Mike's way" right then, or the bread gets wayyyy tooo soggy with all that oil and vinegar. Jimmy John's is meh... bread is the best part. Wawa makes a decent sub, yes- soft bread, ton of options, made to order. I wouldn't wish Subway on my worst enemy- turkey based "meats" terrible tiny portions, bread is usually stale on the ends, too commercial.

My biggest complaint with WaWa is that my bread always stale at one end. Every damn time I go. I'm big on cold subs, so it could be less noticable if toasted. But there is just something off-putting about crunchy bread and a cold sub.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

If considering subs generally (and not only subs from restaurant chains), the Italian Store in Arlington makes by far the best subs I've had. I typically go for the Napoli, but all are outstanding. Hard roll, with extra spicy-peppers.

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BOOM!! Yes sir... love that place... the hard roll is money...

Thirded. The Italian Store is legit.

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More Jersey Mike's commentary. I love their roast beef. It is the closest taste to replicate leftover standing rib roast flavor and it is top notch. Plus, some of the best friends I ever had congregated at the older Jersey Mike's location in Johnson City TN. We had some great laughs to go with good food in that venue.

Now, I also have to admit that I don't like a lot of the popular cold cuts in the northeast. My Jersey Mike's ordering has been limited to the roast beef, the Reuben (no cheese), the Philly steak (no cheese), and the chicken salad when it is in stock. The one mistake I think they made was removing the corned beef Reuben option, but a good friend of mine who owns several franchises said that the corned beef did not sell nearly as well as the pastrami.

Firehouse is ok. SSII is tolerable. If I ever get captured by a foreign country, forcing me to eat Subway would be an easy way to extract intel out of me. What an awful food product.

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I like the Chicken Philly and the club sub as well. I also eat a club sandwich about 3/4 times a week. My wife think I may turn into one.

The only place worse than Jersey Mike's in my opinion is Jimmy Johns...

I really miss Quiznos and their hot subs..

I agree with your assessment that firehouse is ok...

If you think Jersey Mike's is good, I've got something that will blow you away.

Let me introduce you to Potbelly:

Potbelly is serviceable, but the meat is subpar to Jersey Mikes. Especially the roast beef.

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We have one right next to work and I like it ok, but I am a cold sub guy and this is meant for hot subs. Their soups are pretty good too.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Don't forget the perfectly baked cookies and awesome milkshakes. Jersey Mikes doesn't even compare in overall quality to Potbelly.

Haven't tried those but you are giving me lunch ideas.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Key to drafting an NFL playoff team
1) on the first day, only draft QBs, pass rushers, corners, two-gap DTs, and left tackles
2) wide receivers are borderline. So many are poor route runners (due to spread concepts) coming out of college that they can be schemed out of games. But, if you have a high need, draft one late on day 1 that fits your franchise QB. For example, the Jets could use a big WR who can erase QB mistakes, but doesn't have to be a great route runner. I think they should trade down and look at Tee Higgins late in the first round, then use an extra pick on OL.

3) the lowest value NFL position is running back. Since Walter Payton, it would be very difficult to make an argument that the best offensive player on a Super Bowl champion was a running back. Arguments could be made for Terrell Davis, Jamal Lewis (but the defense was the star), or Emmitt Smith (but that entire offense was so balanced with a great OL). But, when you factor in how few touches RBs get, how much of a fall off there is after about 4 years, how often teams find productive backs as free agents or late picks, and how most elite HS athletes gravitate to other positions in college, you just don't get much value there.

4) linebackers and safeties compliment great DL and corners. Remember that when you draft

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So you are saying real mirrors Fantasy, in that you pick in the exact opposite order?

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Any sandwich, burger, or hotdog is limited by how good it's roll (or bread) is. Great 'innards' can be ruined by a mediocre or downright crappy roll. Conversely, a mediocre set of innards can be made much better by a terrific roll. The reason most non-chains are so much better is because they are either making their own, or buying their rolls and breads fresh daily from a local baker instead of heating up some frozen crap from the franchise that they have to use.

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+1. See "Muffaletta, Central Grocery, New Orleans" for proof.

Tried it in '95 at the Sugar Bowl. Didn't live up to the hype. I ate half, I think, but I'll likely not have another.

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The best gangster:mafia movie is:
Donnie Brasco.

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Definitely a good one, but you would put it over Goodfellas?

I also put The Irishman in the top echelon. It's a great counterpart to Goodfellas that focuses more on the upper crust of the mob, whereas Goodfellas is the lower crust.

Yes, although I like Goodfellas a bunch. Donnie Brasco is my peak gangster.

Other good ones- The Departed, The Godfather Saga (the made for TV version that was in chronological order), and the vastly underrated Kill the Irishman.

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And the worst one was Mobsters, but I will watch it almost every time I see it in the listing.

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Agreed, Kill the Irishman is very underrated. If you haven't seen The Irishman, strongly recommend whenever you have 3.5 hrs to burn. I didn't know Joe Pesci could play a non-loose cannon loud character so well.

Scarface?

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It is ok. I won't fall all over myself to watch it. It certainly isn't in my top 5.

A sleeper is The Untouchables (Connery is so much better than he is in the Bond performances), but the ending with Billy Drago's Frank Nitti building performance was silly.

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My favorite gangster movies:

1) Donnie Brasco
2) Kill the Irishman
3) Goodfellas
4) Snatch
5)The Godfather Saga/Godfather Part II
6) The Departed
7) American Gangster
8) Reservoir Dogs
9) The Untouchables
10) Mobsters (So Awful, it is compelling)

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We got to meet Joe Pistone, hear his story and ask him questions for a couple of hours back in 1994 when I was going through the FBI Academy. Absolutely amazing how he was able to become so trusted by the mafia. The man had some serious nerves of steel.

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Charcoal > gas

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This isn't a hot take, its pretty much accepted as true, at least around here.

The reason so many people have gas grills isn't because they are better, but because they aren't a pain in the ass to clean and use.

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way less work to maintain and much much faster. Once I'm in a house and not an apartment, I'll use both. The convenience of gas is just too much to punt on entirely.

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this. I have a dual set up with gas on left and charcoal on right. typically use charcoal for smoking meats (with a side box), and occasionally for grilling.

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It is a hot take with SusieCue. She is a staunch gas advocate.

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#TRUTH

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-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
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"11-0, bro"
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I did not want the Hokies to offer Mekhi Becton a scholarship.

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why? grades? work ethic? Who did we go after instead?

Maybe french hates it when VT has first round picks? /s

I didn't like his footwork. VT had just transitioned from Searels to Vice, and I didn't like how poor Becton's first step and head position looked for a zone running game (Jackson had lighter feet, but was a project because his lack of experience and nastiness.) I thought if he could stay conditioned he could be a good pass blocker, but that wasn't as vital in a passing offense predicated on play action. I haven't watched Louisville since he arrived. However, even the highlights they showed last night (supposedly his best plays) show really poor aiming points and body position scooping on the backside of plays.

Still, he was certainly good enough to contribute in Blacksburg, so I missed the boat on him. I still think the Jets, who needed both tackles, should have taken Wirfs. But, Wirfs was going to be a right tackle. The analytics driven GMs place more value on a left side guy, so they took the risk.

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Wirfs is a freak of nature. Dude is extremely athletic.

The best fast food chicken is
LONG JOHN SILVERS CHICKEN PLANKS

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The Long John's in my town closed down several years ago. I could crush some of those fish/chicken planks and hush puppies right about now.

While I will admit to a guilty pleasure in LJS planks, and their shrimp, and even their good by not great hushpuppies, but the best fast food chicken I've had is Golden Skillet chicken livers. Nothing else comes close. Can't find Golden Skillet anymore, and it's all but impossible to find a decent chicken liver anymore either.

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There was a Golden Skillet in Bristol, but it was gone by the time I had any say in dinner choices.

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There is one in Danville.

I almost went through Danville once, but got reoriented and missed it. One of those Virginia places I've never had reason to visit, never known anyone living there or from there. But if there's a Skillet, and if they still fry their chicken livers in peanut oil, I might consider detouring the next time I'm vaguely in the extended vicinity.

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Golden Skillet chicken rocked. Not a chicken livers fan but the chicken was fried the same way with the same batter. The one in my home town was bought by the family that ran it and they mostly kept the recipe and methods. Hopefully they survive this (although they survived at least two fires, so they're pretty resilient.)

Yep to that. It was the combination of the freshness of the product and the batter and oil that made the livers especially good. Livers need to be fully cooked but still retain enough moisture to keep them from being hardtack. They need to be fairly uniform in size, small enough to have a good batter to liver ratio which delivered the good tastes of the liver without any of the bitterness or mushiness some places serve. While some like to dip their liver in gravy, and I'll do it in a heartbeat myself, with the Golden Skillet, I never felt the need to do so. No, not everyone likes chicken livers, but for those like me who do, the Skillet achieves the highest grade of any I've eaten anywhere.

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Much of this applies to Chicken Gizards as well. Done right they are chewy greatness. Always eat with Hot Sauce (Texas Pete's, Louisiana Hot, or Crystal are excellent choices).
My wife makes them the best! There were two places in Melbourne, FL that made these great, I'd stop to get a take out order almost anytime I went by them.

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I'll admit that my tastes don't run to gizzards or hearts, though I've eaten my share growing up as my momma cooked all that stuff. Still and all, about any piece of the chicken that's breaded right and fried right is on my menu.

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In my experience, if you go to an all you can eat BBQ place that has chitlins on the buffet, you want to be first to the buffet when they refill the fried chicken livers with a fresh batch. They are gonna be good.

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Have not had that pleasure, but the logic is definitely sound. Don't do chitlins either, but flavor is flavor, man. I always followed Mark Taylor formerly of the Roanoke Times (outdoor writer) and his recipe for frying turkeys for Thanksgiving. He would fry several for the neighbors and himself, maximizing the use of the oil. Then, they would fry oysters in the turkey oil. He was right. It made those oysters leap a quantum or two in the Umami-verse. Same could be said for why an Indiana State Fair corn dog tastes so damn good, but this could go on all day.

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I think I remember Mark's stuff from back in the day when we lived in Roanoke, and got a paper. I am not a chitlin's fan either, and usually not a buffet fan, but for some reason when you get into eastern NC, SC or GA all the good BBQ places are buffet style. I always try the livers if they have them, and they have been outstanding at all three of the places that had chitlins on the buffet - one in Fayetteville NC, one in Florence SC, and one in Conyers GA. I make it a point to go there for them if lunching in the area for work.

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Are you talking about Roger's in Florence? My grandparents used to live there. We always had bbq from there when we were down.

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This I will remember.

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Everyone should get their oil changed at least once per year.

Could never tell the difference between the fish and chicken. Not that it was bad. But neither taste like the other, so something odd there.

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I have a weakness for LJS fish, but the planks do nothing for me. Mrs. Winner's fried chicken, drizzled with the Texas Pete packets, would be me top for fast food fried, though that Popeye's chicken sandwich is good stuff.

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I just finished a long debate on Twitter about who was a better pitcher; Tom Seaver or Nolan Ryan? While Ryan played much longer and had way more dynamic statistics, he wasn't the pitcher and winner Tom Seaver was? Seaver was the top right handed pitcher in baseball from Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens, with Steve Carlton being the top lefty. To me, Seaver is the no-brained choice.

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You had a debate on Twitter?

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I don't recall ever getting to see Seaver pitch, but I watched a lot of Nolan Ryan. He's the GOAT. Weren't you just arguing above that winning is an overrated statistic for an individual player? So how you gonna use that same logic to justify placing Seaver above Ryan? Nolan Ryan was the most feared pitcher in baseball for almost 3 decades. What does Seaver's resume contain that outshines 5700 K's (more than 1 per inning over his whole career), 7 no-hitters (3 more than 2nd place in the record book), a 108-mph heater, and one epic beatdown of Robin Ventura, well into his 40's?

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Winning when you are a pitcher in big spots is about as individualistic as you can get. Other than a goalie in hockey, no individual position player impacts who wins a sporting event more than a pitcher.

Seaver was the best right handed pitcher in the NL for nearly 15 years. The only one that was better in that stretch was Bob Gibson at the beginning of his career. The best.

Nolan Ryan was the ace of a bad Angels team. He got a huge contract with Houston, and despite putting up great numbers, he was the number 3 guy in the rotation behind JR Richards and Joe Niekro in the early 80s. With both gone, Ryan was number 2 behind Mike Scott.

Ryan was an outstanding pitcher for a freakishly long time. But, his own managers didn't use him as the ace outside of California. Meanwhile, Seaver was a consensus top 2 pitcher and got into the Hall of Fame with the highest percentage of votes ever at that time. Ryan's longevity and his familiarity with younger fans (fastball, strikeouts, pitching to his 40s, punching Robin Venture in the face) makes people forget that Ryan wasn't in the class of a Seaver, Steve Carlton, or the pair of Catfish Hunter and Vida Blue. And Seaver pitches 20 seasons and 86 was the only real bad one (his last.)

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The only major league game I have ever attended was a Reds-Mets game in the early 70's at Riverfront. Seaver on the mound for the Mets, but got pulled early in the game. Really wished I had kept a program or something from that game. There was an old-timers game scheduled for that day, but it got rained out. They just brought the old guys out and lined them up on the baselines. Willie Mays, Micky Mantle among them. I have a few pictures, but we sat in the upper deck somewhere near Covington KY, so the pictures were of little use.

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Career: Tom Seaver.
Single Game: Nolan Ryan. The no-nos prove this point. And his W-L proves the Seaver point.

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Craving seafood with no access to fresh product? Take a can of Campbells New England Clam Chowder. Add a package of imitation crab meat, heat it. Then serve over egg noodles.

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I tried this recipe, accept I subbed Lobster Bisque for the clam chowder, canned crab meat for the imitation crab, and Costco Lobster ravioli for the egg noodles. It was so good - 3 out of 5 stars. Even better than when I made it with cream of mushroom soup, canned tuna, and elbow noodles.

Where do buy imitation crab that does not sell real seafood?

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amazon

they do also sell "real seafood" but not "fresh seafood"

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Might depend on where you live. I can get fresh seafood from Amazon.

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If you sub all ingredients with different ingredients, did you really try the recipe? You've got a whole Ship of Theseus thing goin here.

This thread is somehow both wildly self-indulgent and a series of devastating self-owns. Big fan

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That was a tough middle name for a kindergarten age French to learn to write. Better yet, imagine using the whole name when you got in trouble.

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Ted Washington belongs in the NFL Hall of Fame.

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French's favorite dish is brussel sprouts with shredded parmesan.

The besmirching of my character will continue until morale improves.

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Fingers crossed those are roasted in duck fat...

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Yummm. The brussel sprouts at 622 North are on point. One of the keys (my wife does this when we have them at home now) is dried cranberries. They are delicious!

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Roasted brussels with olive oil, sea salt and pepper and then finished with a splash of balsamic vinegar after you take them out the oven. Very good for a veggie.

The best mass produced, inexpensive, widely available American beer is Miller Lite.

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I am not a fan of Bud Lite but that is all kinds of awesome.

The bud light knight commercials were pretty awesome. I'm a bud light guy but will drink most any beer.

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Personal favorite Bud Light commercials were the "Real Men of Genius/Real American Heroes" series of radio/tv commercials. With the singer from the band Survivor and the gospel singers on backup and the puns and double entendres, these are close to the top my list of favorite all-time commercials.

Some of my faves? (not the orig videos but the sounds)

https://youtu.be/OdGj-FVxOcs Mr. 80 SPF Sunblock Wearer

https://youtu.be/fGbit3mD6zw Mr. Backyard Bug-Zapper Inventor

https://youtu.be/Za-lUvlKm3U Mr. Golfball Washer Inventor

https://youtu.be/KG1CjFoX-8E Mr. Paranoid of the Ocean Guy

https://youtu.be/-uvz3zw4HhQ Mr Basketball Court Sweat Wiper Upper

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Pro Sports Heckler Guy plays in my head whenever I read Twitter on game day.

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Mr. T-shirt launcher inventor is a classic. "Hit the deck!!!"

https://youtu.be/1b3pJYfv5eg

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

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Into my ninth week without my former daily addiction and it doesn't help to see them flaunted in my face. At least I quit drinking them in time for the Coronavirus stuff. Now there'll be plenty left out there for the rest of you. I know Bud felt the pinch when I switched to Miller Lite, but now, Miller can share the pain.

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Miller Lite would be number 2 on my list behind Yuengling, although I suppose it's debatable as to whether it's mass produced/widely available

Yuengling should not be considered widely available. It is difficult to find away from the East Coast.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I was waiting on Heuplek or someone else to post a busch gif haha.

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Ewwww, way to bitter for me. Makes me want to choke. I would drink Coors light, it's basically water so much easier to drink.

The best "lite" beer. PBR and the High Life are both better beers.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

the high life is the best- don't drink much anymore, but was weaned on the high life. The champagne of beers!

I too subscribe to No Cheese. And am dairy-free, for the same reason as Drew Brees.

Donโ€™t scratch Our Cup.

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While my reason is the taste and smell makes me gag, I support your choice

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So... Scottie Pippen's name anagrams to
Coppins Pee Tit and I don't know what to do with that.

โ€œBut do kind of enjoy reading this thread, it's really nice because Auburn can't swoop in and take our juicy ripe tomatoes.โ€ ~ lewiswb

Uh, get Coppin some male enhancement?

Sweet Potato anything stinks.

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I made it almost 400 comments without participating in this...

Sweet Potato Crunch at the Smokin' Pig is ELITE.

This isnt common knowledge?

false. Mashed sweet potatoes with an unhealthy amount of butter and sugar topped with a torch-caramelized top layer is amazing.

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Sweet potato fries are damn good.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

I half-agree with you. I like the flavor, but I've never eaten any that have the right texture as they tend to come out kinda limp

Definitely need to be crispy, i agree. I've had mostly crispy sweet potato fries.

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Late to this I know, but my wife is hooked on UTZ's kettle cooked sweet potato chips. Eat's them every day. They are pretty good, nice fried flavor from the cooking oil. And it's just sweet potato, salt and peanut oil. I'm not a chips guy, give me Munchos or Fritos, but my wife is totally addicted.

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roasted sweet potatoes with salt, pepper, cinnamon, and a pinch of cayenne

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Congrats, this take is even worse than usual.

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You microwave a sweet potato for 5-7 minutes and let it cool a few minutes. You slice it in half and scrunch it up like you would a baked tater. You then lather it with butter, brown sugar and pumpkin pie spice on top. Back into the oven for 40 minutes or so. MMMM MMMMM Good.

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In N Out Burger is the single most disappointing food experience of my life.

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I wasn't impressed.

Smashburger, however, is a different story entirely.

Smashburger in NoVA is awful. Social Burger and Elevation Burger are much better locally. I have no idea if either are wide spread.

In the last 2 months, I have eaten at least 10 Big Pals.

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I hated elevation burger. wasnt good.

*drink*

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

his comment from a week ago said "In And Out Burger" and this one says "In-N-Out Burger".............................. maybe they're both the most disappointing? /s

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Maybe its such a hot take that he has to say it twice?

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Maybe they cheesed him and it's an extra big grudge.

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The take so nice I had to say it twice

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maybe there's also an In Burger and an Out Burger

I don't live on the Norther Neck of Virginia, but I can darned near see it from here. In Tappahannock there is a burger joint called N N Burger (for Northern Neck, I assume) and it serves a helluva burger. They cook to order on a firey grill, serve good brew, and have far too many toppings to choose from. They have a second site, I think in Kilmarnock, but it's just not as good as the original, and not as cool a space. Worth a day trip just to see the scenery and enjoy a pretty fine sandwich.

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Yes sir! Also have to add the 5 dollar bud light pitchers are a cherry on top

Can't spell DBU without Bud

I would argue that it shouldn't be possible for a most disappointing food experience to come from a fast food restaurant where a meal costs about $7.

Even if you truly hate the food and throw everything away after one bite, you can write it off as a minor inconvenience as long as you don't get food poisoning. I don't see how that can be anywhere close to as disappointing as a high end restaurant where you can drop hundreds of dollars on an unsatisfying meal.

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Jack in the Box would like a word.

I have been inundated for 25 years (going back to seeing Miley wearing an In N Out shirt in Swingsrs) with people saying In N Out was the best. I actually planned that trip around proximity to an In N Out to try it.

And it was garbage. It tasted like a McDonalds burger with more toppings. I was crestfallen. My expectations were sky hi.

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Agree. Overrated. Everyone loves the shoestring fries novelty and the 3-4 item menu. Five Guys is much better. Shake Shack is better as well.

My worst was a Chinese restaurant here in Charlottesville years ago. Don't remember the name and they're not in business anymore. Food was horrible. I ordered sweet and sour chicken. The sour in the dish was comprised of dill pickle slices. Now you know why they're not in business anymore.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Domestic travel takes

Most overrated city to visit: Denver
Most underrated city to visit: Kansas City
Worst city to visit: Detroit
Best city to visit: for food- New Orleans, to check stuff out- Seattle

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Cities I have not visited that I want to check out- San Diego, Portland OR, Salt Lake City, and San Antonio

And I revise the above comments- Detroit is bad, Dallas is worse

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I loved San Diego when I went for a week 20 years ago. No idea what it's like now.

Also thought SLC was beautiful and one of the cleanest cities I'd ever seen, 20 years ago.

Wait, what?

My brother lives in San Diego and it is quite nice with alot to do and the weather is almost always nice. It's expensive though.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Other off the radar cities that are pretty good to visit, primarily based upon my work trips,
- Memphis (not as crazy as Nashville but good food, entertainment)
- Cincinnati (only decent city in Ohio)
- Boise

Of those three, I have only been to Cincy, and that was a brief business visit. I believe we ate at a Japanese steakhouse.

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Boston is surprisingly walkable.
Dallas and Houston both suck, San Antonio is much better.

Vegas can fight Denver for most overrated.

Vegas- great for watching sports. Awful for everything else

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I love both Denver and Detroit. I also have family in both so my experiences are obviously a little different than average traveler.

My first couple of trips to Denver were great. But the opioid and heroin epidemic has really ruined the city, especially the area just southeast of downtown.

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Kansas City airport sucks wind. You have to go through TSA to eat a hot meal between flights. No thanks. Sucks. No traffic and good BBQ is fine, but the airport sucks. Denver is not overrated if you venture 5 miles outside of downtown. Very cool places around Denver and world class stuff within an hour drive like Ft. Collins and Red rocks.

shhhhhhh stop encouraging people to come to Colorado.

Shit's full, place is terrible. ;)

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

When I get barbecue, I always order baked beans and potato salad as the sides. Then, I dump both out and mix them together. If they are good together, you know the bbq will likely be good as well.

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Also works with macaroni salad.

At buffets, I like to get macaroni salad and crab salad and mix them together as well (if there isn't cheese in either, of course.)

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This is a great thing. Have bought from bbq food trucks that do this - with the pork mixed in as well. Friggin delicious!!

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

It is so good

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I do the same.

Random 7am hot take:
If we had had competent line coaches later in Beamer's career, the OCs wouldn't have caught as much grief.

That take is about as scorching as me saying that if I had done more of my homework as an undergrad, my GPA would have been better.

Well, it was a 7am hot take. Hard to be scorching before caffeine.
Mostly just saying lefty and stinespring weren't quite as terrible as they were made out to be.

Best 80s Movies
1) The Three Amigos
2) Coming to America
3) Goonies
4) Bull Durham
5) Teen Wolf (if only for Styles and Coach Bobby Finstock)

HM: Back to the Future, Hoosiers, Batman, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Return of the Jedi, Empire Strikes Back, Back to the Future II, Ghostbusters, The Untouchables (which I quote all the time), Back to School, Die Hard, Police Academy and Police Academy IV, The Dream Team, Disorganized Crime, and Airplane.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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I see two movies missing in either the Top 5 or in HM: Predator and Alien.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Alien came out in 1979.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

So since this thread is getting pretty lengthy, and we all know French has plenty of daily hot takes, are we going to switch over to a monthly thread like the recruiting threads, with May being part II?

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

It can probably die now. Hahahaha.

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Based on the title and the number of bad takes the man has, I expected a new thread every day.

When will this end?
#askingforafriend

Have mercy. Living with French is hard y'all.

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OK, I'll end it with this tale of indulgence in the times of Covid 19. My new try to kill myself by eating concoction has me hooked to the point of absurdity and trouble with my wife. Take two slices of sourdough bread from a big loaf. Butter one side of each and lay flat in cold skillet. Start heating them on low heat until the butter melts well, then bring up the heat to med low until the bread grills to a nice dark brown. Lay in plate, grilled side down, then spread the two pieces with Underwood deviled ham spread. Pat of butter in the hot pan, fry two eggs, breaking the yolks. Fit them on the spread and close up the sandwich. Instant grilled ham and egg sandwich, guaranteed to satisfy, make the house smell really good, make your wife and doctor cringe, and shorten your life. And maybe, if we're lucky, end this thread!

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I don't like Duke's mayo. I got some for Susan, and I am completely sick of it. Give me Kraft or JFG any day.

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I had to look up JFG. As you can guess, never had it before.
My MIL swears she can taste the difference between everything and Kraft. Well, she hasn't yet figured out that she's eating Duke's at our house.

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And, give me Yum Yum sauce/shrimp sauce on everything instead of any other condiment.

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