FSU Locker Room *still* in Turmoil

Norvell continues to stumble out of the gate in Tallahassee. This time for allegedly misleading players about whether or not their teammates have had positive COVID tests.

Norvell weighed in this afternoon.

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But momma says foosball is the devil!!

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Preach brother.

I've been preaching it for years, but nobody listens.

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Depending on the day and the thread, I'm not sure your argument holds up.

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I get that the schadenfreude is real, but as soon as one of the ACC's biggest programs has to shutter the season, the rest of the conference will follow suit pretty quickly.

Yeah, but tomorrow, they will meet on the final, final, final decision.

I'm already into the "acceptance" phase of my grief cycle.

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The ACC is not playing, neither is the Big 12. The closer we get to the start of the season, the more the hashtag army will control this. If kickoff looks eminent, Nike, Pepsi, ESPN, etc. will back out due to political and social pressure. No chance the ACC plays football- none.

Dawg, you got your tinfoil hat on too tight if you think these decisions are being made based on Twitter hashtags.

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when you consider that a sizable portion of players comprise the "hashtag army", it makes sense. it's not just the literal hashtags, it's the zeitgeist.

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Yep... virtue signaling will kill it. Just imagine it. "do the right thing ACC", The big 10 is on the right side of history, yadda yadda. Social pressure will kill it- I'm certain of it.

Virtue signaling? You sound like one of those 4chan, dregs of the internet, mouth breathing trolls. C'mon man. You're better than that.

you know you don't have to defend EVERYTHING dcwilson40 says, right?

I definitely don't do that but thanks for the permission to think for myself, I guess?

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Lol if I made a list of people that did that Chumps would be near the bottom

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I don't agree with the take that the "hashtag army" will be the reason for the end of the season, there's a lot of other reasons, but I would also push back on you and say that the social media mob has a lot of influence these days.

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The players have influence. The twitter fans do not.

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That's who I was talking about

The closer we get to the start of the season, the more the hashtag army will control this.

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Honest question. Do you think a social media movement that is then retweeted and talked about by a state senator (doesn't matter who it is, just a person of influence) would have no effect?

DC Wilson struggles with delivery occasionally but I agree with him on this to a certain point.

Social media has just allowed people's voices to be heard louder and farther. Before you either had to hope an elected official got enough letters or phone calls to feel the impact of the voters or you had to have enough power or money to get to meet them. When groups didn't feel like either of those worked we had strikes, protests and sit ins. Now with the power of social media another platform has arrived. Just like with books, newspapers, radio, TV and video games and computers certain people in society will do nothing but complain about them and the perceived power it gives others and the power that person might lose. It's not different here any people complain about "social justice", "cancel culture" or "hashtag movements".

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The ACC has decided to move forward and play... as of August 14th. In 30 days, there will be no new breakthroughs regarding Covid, no vaccine, no significant medical trials of meds that aren't available now. Nothing in terms of covid will change in the next month significantly. So when the ACC cancels their season, it won't be because some new covid breakthrough or information we don't already have. I'll let you decide why they will cancel.

Because of the recommendation of their medical committee.

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He has a point though. If nothing medically changes from now, why would the medical committee's opinions change? If you hold that constant and the outcome changes, another variable is in play.

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I mean, the medical opinion could change, either because of changes in the national transmission rate, more knowledge about potential effects of infection, or better treatment, etc.

But what I'm afraid of is that what's really going on is just a "passing of the buck". Because honestly these schools should have been preparing for this much longer than it appears they have been. I could be wrong, of course.

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Right, I totally agree. But in the hypothetical that DC presented, nothing medically changed. So a changed decision at that point would mean 1 of 2 things: Either the medical committee recommended that the season be cancelled already and the schools are ignoring it, or some non-medical factor influenced the decision.

I find both of those scenarios very possible. I also find it very possible that the medical situation will be different in 4 weeks. But likely it will be a combination of all of the above.

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The medical community could be operating under the assumption that players and teams will take the proper precautions and safety measures. If, in a month, we have proven that is not the case, that would be a change.

I don't think presidents are taking orders from the twitter-mafia, or whatever they want to call it. I think they have a plan, but they're not sure if they (coaches, players, etc) can actually execute it. In a month, we'll know if they can.

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If nothing medically changes from now, why would the medical committee's opinions change? If you hold that constant and the outcome changes, another variable is in play.

Big change just happened - a saliva test:

The FDA approved a new "game changing" saliva test on Saturday that's cheaper and faster than any test currently available. These tests could be majorly helpful to schools that just want to have students back on campus, but the availability isn't immediately known, and it's hard to imagine that testing for athletes would be prioritized above tests that would allow a campus to reopen for students.

Seems like we have plenty of work to do here, but this brings us some hope.

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The only thing that will likely cause a setback at this point will be anecdotal.

Some kid on a football team gets COVID and spreads it.

Call me a crazy optimist, but there is a chance we see some football.

Right. With no new info. OK

How do you know there won't be new information? The lack of improvement will itself be more data if we get there. When tens of thousands of students come back to campus we will have new data. I get it certain groups of people can't accept that things aren't normal and they just want everything to go back, well we are past that point.

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The season kicks off in less than 30 days. We have been social distancing, masking and praying for 5 months- no new medical breakthoughs, no innovative procedures, spikes, etc. But in 28 days, there will be new Covid info and strategies. Right

Will we not have new info on the effect of all students returning to college campuses at that point? The player's ability to avoid contact with the rest of the student population and essentially "bubble" themselves with just the team is what i feel like all this hinges on.

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I know you follow the news, we have elected officials BANNING the wearing of masks by their employees here in Florida. We have a large minority of people who outright refuse to wear masks, we see every day people hosting events We have done none of things as a society at large needed to actually have a positive impact.

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I haven't read that story, but I did see a headline like that.

Luckily, we have a media than is capable of shining in on any local story and making it a national emergency hyberbolic headline. Particularly if it's in Florida or the deep South.

I saw that - I thought the ban also included if anyone came into the sheriff's office as well. It blows my freakin mind.

Deputies and civilian employees are BANNED from wearing a mask unless it's at a medical facility or on a medical call. People entering any sheriffs faculty are BANNED from wearing a mask. If they refuse they can either leave and call or have a deputy come outside to them, but the deputy won't be wearing a mask.

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Just stop.

Because when I point out that YOUR comment is irrelevant and political, I'll be the one who gets negative votes and a warning from the moderator.

And just to be crystal clear, I'm not against masks.

Not political

Just.

Stop.

I don't think it's irrelevant or political. The point is there is an elected official who isn't just not wearing them or saying you don't have to wear them, but actually banned them, at least for his employees and people who come to his office(s). And HokieFireman was providing additional details as to the mechanics. And it's not like in VA, there aren't county cops in addition to sheriffs, it's just the sheriffs, so that's who you have to deal with for law enforcement in your community. If someone breaks into your house, that means a deputy will come to your house and will not wear a mask. Beyond that, living in Florida now as well, I think it also demonstrates the way some Floridians think about it, and perhaps not a small number of Floridians.

I'm saying it's irrelevant to college football and it's just blatant political nonsense that we can find elsewhere.

Now while I'm all in favor of masks, and I don't agree with that policy, that story is absolutely in the national media just there to push your buttons. And it is clearly succeeding.

difficult for me to draw a straight line from "sheriff's policy in florida" to "ACC football in lane stadium"

not particularly relevant!

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DC said "The season kicks off in less than 30 days. We have been social distancing, masking and praying for 5 months- no new medical breakthoughs, no innovative procedures, spikes, etc. But in 28 days, there will be new Covid info and strategies. Right". Fireman is replying to this comment with proof that we are not masking in this country. We are actively revolting against it. That DOES directly affect college football.

yes, i suppose you could argue that sticking to the approach would actually be new.

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Fireman is replying to this comment with proof that we are not masking in this country.

That story was published to trigger you. It's doing what it set out to do.

It's NOT proof that we're not socially distancing in the country.

If anything, it's proof that an isolated case where someone isn't following CDC guidelines comes across as shocking at this point.

If anything, it's the exception that proves the rule.

I don't think it's proof of anything being shocking. I think it's red meat for the widely held confirmation bias that particular states are full of idiots susceptible to misinformation and conspiracy theory and who can be manipulated by the team they cheer for to act against their own interests. Every tribe has their own version of this bias. This is the problem with tribalism.

It's peripherally related to the discussion because, while anecdotal, it shows not everyone is behaving in such a way as to reduce the risk of transmission.

I personally think they have already made up their minds not to play.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but it's red meat because it comes across as shocking to a lot of people who are doing their level best to stay safe.

But you're right about the tribalism and confirmation bias.

I'm not so sure I agree that the ACC has decided not to play. Why would they prolong the decision if that were the case?

I think we're talking about an extremely insulated, comfortable, and disconnected group of people who are not just fundamentally risk averse and deeply skeptical of change but also struggling mightily to wrap their heads around how the ground is shifting beneath their feet.

Oh, I wouldn't go assuming that there is just one perspective...

And there are multiple types of risk here.

I think it's too close to call.

I like how on my iPad when a thread gets to this point that you get fewer than four or so characters per line, you just know the subject being discussed should just end here...

It's embarrassing how many times I've been here.

This, my friends... is what a good point looks like. Dig on it for sec.

Leonard. Duh.

It could be somewhat related - like I said, it seems to be the view of a lot of Floridians. If, hypothetically, FSU had the same view and they take an approach similar to what Colorado State did, that endangers the rest of the ACC. I mean, I assume they'll test people before the game, but it has to be far enough in advance to make sure you have the results, but close enough that the people couldn't have been infected/incubating then infectious in time for the games. Do the players feel more comfortable if they think everyone else is being cautious, but what if there's a team that thinks masks are totally unnecessary.

And like I said, here in Florida, there do seem to be a lot of people who think masks aren't only unnecessary but actively fight wearing them. There was the school in Georgia that made the news for the picture of the packed hall one only like 3 kids wearing masks. We have two ACC schools in Florida and one in GA. So with that mentality in FL, it's not just about what the teams are doing on campus, but are the players going into town, going to the beach, doing whatever and coming in close contact with a lot of people who don't think they should have to wear masks. I mean Florida made the news today for NOT having over 10,000 cases in a day.

Sure.

But it's not representative of Florida, it isn't the view of most Floridians, and I state with some degree of confidence that FSU doesn't have that same view.

This story, and the Georgia school story are shocking because they're NOT representative.

And it certainly doesn't reflect the perspectives of the coaches or administrations of ACC schools. Hopefully it doesn't reflect the views of the student-athletes, either.

I'm hoping most people grasp that COVID is both deadly and highly-contagious at this point. Every once in a while people are going to slip up. And some people are just never going to grasp it.

We should be able to separate the virus from politics, and politics from sports. There are entire industries devoted to blurring any such distinctions.

This is bad framing and oversimplification, I really don't see what point your trying to make

I mean I'm of the belief that the decision to cancel has already been made, they're just dragging it out to soften the blow when they do announce it.

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I think they're still hoping they can pull it off.

Though I love a good collusion story: not all can be one.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

They never said it's safe to play now, they said they want to play and are looking at ways to do it safely. They say they think they can do it given the timeframe.

Given that, if nothing changes then yeah they should definitely cancel. They have to make progress in order to play this fall.

Also entire dorm floors at some ACC schools are already quarantining.. it hasn't even been two weeks yet. In person classes will be cancelled just as surely as football.

Fuck fsu!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Did it ever de-escalate?

Don't feel safe, then opt out......

Looks like that dude just had to regulate.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Nate Dogg is dead?!

Has been for years, it came as a huge surprise to me wheni heard it through one of those year in death tributes.

Wait...

Really?

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Has any BCS winner had a bigger fall from grace than FSU? Lordy.

Tennessee, arguably.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

to be fair... tennessee took longer

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edit: also we're still waiting for da U to be bak

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Without looking it up, I'm guessing Nebraska may have been pre-BCS?

Yes. Though they did lose to Miami one year.

Honestly I think we can draw some comparisons from Fuente taking over the VT program and Norvell taking over FSU. Leaders on the team like Marvin Wilson (who isn't afraid to voice his opinion) and Jaiden Woodbey are backing Norvell up. This tweet is from a Memphis WR
https://twitter.com/_UnoTres/status/1293972963163869187?s=20

In the interest of steering this thread back towards its intended purpose (laughing at Florida State):

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Maybe every former Memphis coach just has no idea how to handle PR....?

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Who would you rather be: Fuente going to VT in 2016 or Norvell heading to FSU in 2020?

I think I'd rather be any coach in 2016 than any coach in 2020.

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The football program at FSU must have a very different bag man then their current basketball bag man. No other explanation considering Leonard "Resting B Face" Hamilton has managed to win a regular season ACC title and get a five star in 2020 and a five star, three four stars and the top junior college center for 2021. Big ol bags of cash there and no one crying wolf.

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