ESPN Announces Michael Vick 30 for 30

I absolutely can't wait to see this. It's sad though reading the hateful comments on social media about him as this is announced. Man has payed his dues twice over and the public still won't forgive him. He will always be a special Hokie to me.

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ESPN announced Thursday that the 30 for 30, titled "Vick," will air in two parts. Part 1 will be aired on ESPN on Thursday, Jan. 30, and part two will air the following week on Thursday, Feb. 6. Both parts will go on air at 9 p.m. ET. The documentary is directed by decorated filmmaker Stanley Nelson.

"The film provides a comprehensive look back at each chapter of former NFL quarterback Michael Vick's saga: the incredible rise, shocking fall, and polarizing return," ESPN said in a press release.

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Can't wait.

Some people can just never forgive. I get it, and I'm sure Mike gets it.

I can't wait to tune in for this one.

It's gonna be epic!

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Marked on my calendar. Can't wait. Part 2 sounds good as well diving into his larger influence to black quarterbacks and style of play. Obviously the go to today isLamar Jackson but some of the others that have also come about beforehand as well. You see how the coaches finally were willingly to fully embrace quarterbacks that play that way at the college and NFL level (they moved more slowly). Game and skillset wise, Vick was about 10 to 12 years ahead of his time. We got a glimpse of what he could fully do with Andy Reid and the Eagles, but by then, he couldn't stay healthy long enough to keep it going. Also, by his own admission, he never really studied the passing game like he needed to in order to really maximize his talents (especially during the Falcons stint)

Mike's gotta live with hate rest of his life. People aren't going to forgive and shouldn't have to. Just a fact of his reality.

But I do hope it shows fully both the depravity of his sins and the work he's done to atone for them.

Also, if he comes up, I hope they show his shitstain of a brother in the light he deserves.

as an aside, "shitstain" is up there with "asshat" for insults that will just straight up make me giggle.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm particularly fond of "Douchecanoe"

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

I had a good friend and coworker that used to say "jagbag" all the time, and I always liked that one

I think I have told this before but it was an absolute joy to me when I saw him scraping paint and other shit out of a bildge of a ship that was under construction at newport news. Dude had so much potential and pissed it all away and trashed everyone that tried to help him in the process.

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

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Well at least it sounds like honest work.

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Yeah, it does, doesn't it. Amusing how so many want to give Michael his second chances, but to take joy at seeing Marcus engaged in honest work should not be a put down. I'm glad he's working, hope he's keeping straight, and am willing to give him his time and space to grow up. After all, he's not our problem anymore, is he?

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Mike got a second chance because he is extremely well liked. And he changed his actions and has tried to make a difference since his conviction.

I dont know how well liked Marcus was, but after stepping on Elvis's leg he was now the villian. It's harder to get second, or third chances when you're the villian of the story.

Personally, to me, Marcus is a hokie. I want to see him do his best and he is our problem because we are Hokies.

Crazy story but I actually have his Grumman ID badge.

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someone wasting their potential seems like an odd thing to celebrate and rejoice in.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Very much here for this.

As a person who loves dogs, I will always find Vick's actions heinous, vile, and despicable. That's certainly not up for debate.

That said, I watched Vick play at VT (in person) and to this day I've never witnessed talent like that. He was a generational talent, without whom, the Hokies never play for a national championship. His impact on the program is undeniable.

I can only imagine what he would have done playing in today's offensive schemes.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Guys like Vick and McNabb are part of the reason today's schemes exist. Keeping them in an I-formation all the time marginalized their potential

Will it cover Ron Mexico?

Wonder if they're going to pretend that Vick didn't have a bad ankle injury going into the 2000 Miami game like they did in the second Miami 30 for 30?

That 30for30 was repulsive.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

That 30for30 was Miami is repulsive

FTFY

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

The same one where they acted like Miami murdered everyone in 2001 despite only beating us by 2 when Wilford dropped that two point conversion? Yeah, that sucked.

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I'm torn when it comes to Vick. I feel like I'm firmly in the "he's paid his dues, let the man move on" crowd...but saying he got busted for dogfighting really doesn't do justice to the vile, despicable, heinous acts that he personally carried out.

If you've read any of the details of the things he did to those dogs, you realize that you would have to be one depraved motherfucker to carry any of it out. I know, I know, it's what he grew up around. That's not an excuse, you hit an age where you know right from wrong.

That being said...he has fulfilled his punishment, a punishment that was more harsh than some people get for doing worse things to people. I will always be grateful for what he did for VT. He should be afforded every opportunity for a second chance, and I wish nothing but the best for him from here on out (it certainly seems like he is making good on his 2nd chance, atoning for his past acts, leading a decent life, etc.).

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I'm in the same boat you are. It's a tough spot.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I agree, and I think you can hold all of those beliefs at the same time without being hypocritical or feeling torn.

I'm not sure anyone (especially a dog lover) can/should 'forgive' VIck for his actions, but at the end of the day, he's not able to hop in a time machine and undo what's been done. I think he's probably the best example in pop culture of someone who's made a conscience effort to improve the world around them after doing something terrible.

I don't have kids, but I believe that Michael Vick should be used as an example of how to move forward after you do something wrong.

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I try to judge him based on what he did with the second chance he was given. That says more about who he is as a person now, than who he was in the past. A lot of people cannot change, never change, waste second chances, etc. But society should recognize and appreciate the very few who do change and make the most of their second chance. You would be hard pressed to find a better example in modern history of a well known and recognizable figure doing this than Mike Vick. Society has and always will condemn the actions of his past, but unfortunately, Society has not yet given equal recognition to how he handled it and how he has lived his life every day since.

Not much worse the the heinous acts that can happen from factory farming animals

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Say what you want about the ethics of big farm meat production, but that does not at all excuse what Vick and his people were doing. Not only were they training dogs to kill, but the ways in which this kind of training happened? They would drive around rural and suburban neighborhoods stealing family pets out of their front yards to have something for their dogs to slaughter before their fights.

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Doggone it. In spite of that bad history.....for which he has, and continues to pay the price - "the first time an African-American quarterback was selected with the top pick"

In the history of the NFL draft, 21 quarterbacks were selected as first overall picks prior to Vick's draft. It's been a few years, but back closer to Vick's playing years I would on occasion run into sports fans who would route for the Hokies that had never stepped foot in Virginia, let alone Blacksburg. You don't see that...with the exception of a few teams like Notre Dame and Miami.

Vick was in icon. If you follow Hokie football even just a little bit, you also know that Vick changed the trajectory of our football program. Looking forward to the 30 for 30.

JP

Don't get your hopes up that they focus that much on his time at VT.

If anything, the first episode is going to focus on his quick rise, his time at the top of the game with being the Madden cover player, the playoff win in GB, and then news of his scandals breaking, ending with his guilty verdict. They will focus a lot on the ugly side of the things that he did.

The second episode will be about his time in prison, and the slow recovery that he's made, and focus heavily on the work he's done with animal right's groups while also showing his growing relationship with Andy Reid, and his resurgence in the NFL, capping off with his monster game against Washington on MNF.

His time at VT is most likely going to be an elongated footnote of this documentary.

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I can see that. The VT stuff could just be a highlight real intro for 5 minutes with a few interviews about how special he was and how he did that one play where he told everyone to go one direction.

His time at VT is most likely going to be an elongated footnote of this documentary.

I expect about 5 minutes talking about his time at VT, with Frank Beamer sharing reaction/commentary at multiple points throughout the documentary.

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If they don't discuss his upbringing in Newport News and how he was almost completely overlooked in the area in HS (not in recruiting, obviously) because of Ronald Curry, I'm gonna be disappointed.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Ronald Curry knocked us out of the playoffs again and again when I was in high school. The only games we lost my entire time there were to Hampton. I swear it was just him running around with 10 other guys cooling their heels.

Stupid Crabbers.

My high school (Denbigh) wasn't even good in football and he made us look worse. smh

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I swear it was just him running around with 10 other guys cooling their heels.

UK's QB?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Too soon.

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Tyrod did it Mikey!

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That is an absolute atrocity of a ranking. He literally changed the position. Erroneous on both counts!

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MV7 made a huge mistake. No debating it and no excuses. He also stood up, took his punishment, and literally did his time like a man. His story is defined by his actions after he got out of prison. From what I know, he's done all the right things to change and to try making amends for his mistakes. That's all he could do, and I respect the hell of his handling of the adversity he brought upon himself. I love the story of anyone that takes advantage of a second chance, and for my money, Michael Vick is the poster boy for second chances. I'm a big dog lover, and his redemption story makes me a bigger MV fan than his football days did. Proud that he is a VT Man.

Friendly reminder to set your DVR's, Part 1 airs tonight!

What time? I can't see twitter from work.

And what's a DVR?

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9:00 pm eastern

ESPNU showing the 2000 game vs/at Syracuse right now.

We put the K in Kwality

Btw-we won.

We put the K in Kwality

The fashion of the students back then... Lol

It's still early, but I think that scene of the white kids walking around in XXL shirts and JNCO jeans might be the winner for best moment of the documentary

Haha definitely

Bustle and Cav getting after it!

Man all that old practice footage from Vick's first year hitting me in the feels. A program that had no idea lightning was about to strike

Corey moore sighting

Corey Moore still scares me every time I see him.

I just want to know where this archive of old 90s VT party footage is kept. Hilarious.

It's all from Jimmy Kibbles apartment probably

I find it hard to believe that Beamer was openly crying about loosing Vick at his NFL Draft announcement press conference.

I couldn't really picture that either, to be honest

I can believe Beamer crying, not to that extent, and not because he was sad he was losing his best player ever as the documentary eluded to.

But I can see Beamer crying out of happiness. Seeing the success of what Mike did, coming out of hood-rat Newport News, knowing he was about to go #1 and make cash money.

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Hyperbole... this documentary is awesome though.

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I thought the movie/show was absolutely fantastic, but that line really stuck in my craw last night. I get it, she was a bit over the top in every clip of her interview they showed, but I thought the context around that quote tended to paint Frank in a poor light. It came across that she was implying 1) Frank was hopeless without MV7 in Blacksburg and like he knew one guy going to the NFL spelled the end of the program; and/or 2) he didn't care about Mike the person and was only concerned with what his talent meant for Frank (which didn't play well with the race theme that pervaded the storyline). Maybe I just assigned too much value to that bit, but it really went over poorly with me.

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Yep - 100% agree with this.

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I, too, agree. Tina Vick definitely exaggerated Beamer crying at MV7's draft announcement. The over the top reactions were fine until then.

I'm quite sure conversations were had, and ultimately, Beamer ultimately wanted the best for MV7.

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Rewatched the first episode with my wife last night, and I had the exact same response the first time I saw it. The second time because I was focused on it, it's a little tough to tell but unsure if she means crying out of him leaving vs. happy for him. I still can't tell, but my second look at it was different.

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This first hour honestly has been really positive for the Virginia Tech football brand.

I am surprised that Beamer didn't want to participate for the film. Seems unlike him.

I missed the first half hour, did they say Beamer didn't want to participate?

No, but he wasn't featured at all. I don't think Vick's camp ever said anything negative about Beamer, but he definitely wasn't portrayed as one of Vick's allies either.

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I kind of thought the opposite. I think a lot of fans and alumni look back at their time in Blacksburg with a ton of nostalgia. Vick didn't. I totally understand why he may have a complicated relationship with VT, given his race, how different it was from his hometown, and how much he missed his family, and I don't fault him for it at all; it was just strange to me how everyone interviewed seemed to be so indifferent to VT. Honestly, if someone showed me the first hour of this documentary, then told me Vick's little brother, who was more highly recruited than Vick, chose to attend VT, and Vick had a cousin who also went to VT, I'd be shocked.

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I totally agree with you. I've never met Mike, but I've always had the impression that he's proud to be a Hokie and I really didn't get that same feeling watching this. They made it seem like he never fit in at VT. I understand the perspective they're taking in this documentary (race/poverty) to help the viewer empathize with the later parts of the story, but the depiction of VT and the program's support of him feels a bit off.

On top of that, I was shocked that they never talked with Beamer. I fully expected him to talk about the recruiting process, Mike's development at Tech, and how hard of a worker he was. Am I wrong in thinking that Frank was anything but 100% supportive of Vick and his decision to go pro? Because it doesn't paint Frank in the best light.

unfortunately controversy sells, light and fluffy does not!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

All of the previous Michael Vick documentaries pale in comparison to this one.

I hope Davis is watching this, prepping for his legacy.

Great Part 1.

The part about it being inconceivable that VT could make the Title Game irked me a bit. We were four years removed from a Sugar Bowl win, an OB appearance, a McNabb miracle throwback for another OB appearance, and at the beginning of the season Corso picked VT to make the title game. Vick did put VT on the national map, but our program was already humming at that point, so it isn't like we came out of the woodwork. They also skimmed over his Sophomore season which, had it happened today, would've put VT in the playoff with Miami, FSU, and Oklahoma. Lastly, he had a great third quarter in the title game and plenty of mistakes to go around. The defense not having Charlton or Midget was ultimately our Achilles heel.

Loved the story about the golf clubs. The funny part is that he's a big golfer now. I see him pretty frequently at Bide-A-Wee in Portsmouth or Riverfront in Suffolk every summer.

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Well they did take time to discuss his ankle injury that limited him soph year, unlike a certain other 30 for 30 doc

Yep. He got injured his rFR year too and had to sit the UAB game (I think).

The '99 team was elite on both sides of the ball. Vick was the catalyst and the difference maker, but it's a disservice to say he did it all himself with Andre Davis burning literally every DB he faced. Perfect combo of arm strength, deep threat, and scramble ability.

I just don't get how you can interview Corey Moore for this and not even mention his impact. If anything he was more of an unknown quantity than MV7 going into the season.

Don't get me wrong, they're right for the most part and his impact shouldn't be understated. Just irks me when people act like that's all that team was.

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Moore didn't exactly light the world on fire during the NCG.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I'm talking about more than one game

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To be fair, the person who made that comment was Bomani Jones, who knows next to nothing about college football.

Bomani went to grad school at UNC starting right around the time that Beamer spurned the Heels. He was a sports radio host here in Raleigh during the early days of the post-expansion ACC, an expansion that Duke and UNC voted 'no' towards.

He's usually pretty good, and pretty funny, especially when he's talking to his old friends in interviews on 99.9 during the drive home. But every once and a while his biases do show a little.

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Bomani went to grad school at UNC

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Look, I was in school for the 99 season and it will always hold a special place in my heart, but let's be real. That team goes 8-3 with anyone else at QB.

I mean in the regular season we had just gone 10-1 in 1996 (orange bowl) and 9-2 in 1995 (sugar bowl) so we were capable of putting a run together for a special season without Vick. Also, that 1999 defense and running game was elite. Acting like we weren't capable of anything above an average team without him is really not giving that team enough credit.

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8-3 isn't average and would have won the Big East that year. Also, even you will admit there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between the 95-96 teams and the 99 team. We were a good/nearly great program then, but Vick made us one of the top teams nationally.

It's not disrespectful to say that a once in a generation talent put us over the top.

8-3 in that Big East would have been average. It would have meant we lost to a Syracuse, a 6-6 Clemson, and a bad Big East team. I'm just saying we had already shown we were capable of being a top 15 program already in the 1995 (#10) and 1996 (#13), without Vick at quarterback. He put us over the top especially in terms of our natural perception, but i still think that 99 team is better than 8-3 without him. Now the 2000 team, I'd agree we were 8-3 with no Vick.

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Debatable... There was so much talent on that team on both sides. During the regular season the most the defense allowed was 20 points (twice), and averaged 10.5 pts per game. Thats insane. With the running attack we had that year we could have ground out most games and still come out on top in every one of them.

I remember it vividly too and that's a hard no from me after looking back at all the blowouts on the schedule.

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I was only 9-years-old at the time, but my dad has told me that we were seen of as more of a mid-to-late 2000's Boise State at that time than an actual contender. Wasn't it somewhat in doubt if we were even going to the title game until Colorado or Nebraska or whoever was upset the last week of the season?

Expectations (for me) really surged the weekend of the WVU. If I'm recalling correctly Penn St. was ahead of us when the day started, and right before kickoff it was announced that Penn St. had lost (to Minnesota I think). That's when the possibility started to become real for me.

EDIT: I was right on both parts - PSU was #2 and we were #3 when the day started, and Minnesota was the team that beat them with a last second FG

it was announced

Were you in Morgantown for that game? If so, how did you get out alive?

I was. I was in the south end zone and we spent about 15 minutes celebrating after the kick, which was enough time for the majority of the stadium and the dejected WVU fans to empty out... probably has a lot to do with why I'm still alive.

We should definitely make a live viewing thread for part two.

Part 1 was really good. It was a great set up explaining his background, hardships and then blowing up into a huge celebrity. I loved the quote from his financial advisor, "He was on a gravy train but it had biscuit wheels". All financial advice should be that delicious.

Bomani summed up the biggest wtf from the first part for me.

Like seriously. A cop tells you "hey, we're probably gonna have to bust you" and you still don't get it.

They thought that the state trooper that often parked in the church lot across the street was just watching the church. That's funny....those boys must have had some of that super kind Humboldt County stinky stink buds. Bless their hearts.....

JP

To be fair, the church burning scare in the mid to late 90's was not that long ago at the time.

But... yeah. C'mon, dudes.

Leonard. Duh.

Wasn't able to watch last night. ISP issues. Is there somewhere I can watch this streaming without having to subscribe to ESPN+?

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I missed the 1st half of it and was able to watch on ESPN app (under Originals tab).

It says "All 30 for 30 Library" is under ESPN +, but if you just tap the 30 For 30 thumbnail, it will open to Vick then tap on that and it played for me with no subscription.

My assumption is since it's on and will be continually aired on Cable TV that it's currently free. Maybe any old 30 For 30 would require subscription?

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I watched.
My initial take was that it was trying to be racially sympathetic, which actually turns out to be kind of racist.

I read the message as, Mike was "Hip Hop", and brought that Hip Hop vibe to Atlanta... what did you expect?

I dunno, man. I think the straight up immaturity angle could have been emphasized more.

Not trying to start Keyplay World War VI here. Just my take.

Leonard. Duh.

After having some time to digest part 1, I thought it was very interesting and gave an in depth look at Vick that I don't think we have gotten before. There is definitely a lot of truth to the points being made, but I thought the overall depiction of VT was a little unfair. You would have though Vick was the only black dude on campus from the way it was spun. I also did not like his aunt's narrative that Beamer was boohooing at his draft declaration press conference because he was losing his best player. It's been recanted that Beamer was indeed emotional but because he was super proud of Vick and the financial impact that was about to be made on his family's lives. Beamer knew he had nothing more to prove at the college level and encouraged him to go since he was a lock number 1 pick. I can kind of see based upon the angle why Beamer may have not been involved in the production. Thought the talent on that 1999 team was also way undersold - made us seem like a bunch of scrubs who Vick just carried into the Sugar Bowl.

At the end of the day it's a documentary about Vick, not VT, with a certain story to tell. And I understand that. But I wasn't exactly super pleased with how VT was portrayed overall.

Good point about the aunt. Those Beamer comments were cringy.

The whiteness at VT they depicted that you pointed out was weird. I mean, if he was on scholarship at the University of Wyoming on the rodeo team I could kind of understand it. However, in 1999 I would imagine that the black student percentage at VT was pretty comparable to the overall black population percentage in the US. And... he was on the FOOTBALL team, which is usually pretty black.

I would be offended if I were Vick. To assume that part of my trouble was that I didn't know how to act around white people is insulting.

It's a classic case of an immature super star's meteoric rise to the top, with little to no support system to help ground him. Todd Marinovich, Tanya Harding, Michael Phelps and Johnny Manziel would like a word if you think it's a black thing.

Leonard. Duh.

I think if the Vick family had such an issue with the racial makeup at Tech, they would've pushed Marcus to go to school somewhere else. If I remember correctly, NCSU and Miami were in the mix for him.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

However, in 1999 I would imagine that the black student percentage at VT was pretty comparable to the overall black population percentage in the US

...Which Virginia Tech did you go to?

12.5%-13% of the total U.S. population from 1995-2000
4% of the student body at Tech in 2012-2017 (had trouble finding data from 1999, but is it really going to be that different?)
That's a third of the makeup of the US.

And frankly that's missing the point. Both of those numbers are significantly lower than the numbers from Newport News (40% in 2010).

I think the intent was to show that Blacksburg was/is a very different environment from Newport News. I like your last point about not having a support system, and I would use the word homesick as well. Race and coming from poverty are pretty big themes with this story, so you have to expect it to get referenced and emphasized as much as possible.

This 100%

People need to stop pretending VT and SWVA in general isn't loaded up with white people. It is the vast majority. Both in numbers and culturally. It isn't that town in Georgia essentially run by the Klan, but it is vanilla. And it is very different from the environment Vick came from. He came from a largely black, largely poor environment. It was what he experienced and all he'd known. He went to a place (VT) that was very different. People in his situation feel that difference every day. It is a human reaction.

It wasn't a deal breaker for him and his family as continued evidence of their support for VT years after the fact. Same applies for other black alums that are from similar backgrounds. It was just a part of the larger story. But the demographic IS a reality and part of their experience. . And people need to see that reality for what it is instead of trying overlook it because anything even remotely tangential to race discussion makes them uncomfortable.

Yeah, my years at Tech were late 90's and yes it was a very white place at the time. If you recall the Brendan Hill AMA that he did here it was definitely mentioned that the lack of POC at Tech was indeed a recruiting hindrance.

It doesn't seem to be a hindrance at Clemson, Bama, Auburn, etc. with similar white:black student body ratios.

I mean, I would buy that argument a lot more if VT football struggled recruiting African-American athletes. But that's not the problem. It seems only a hindrance to highly recruited African-American athletes who also happen to have offers from most major programs in America, many of whom have flat out more resources and money flowing through their football programs.

The competition is simply greater for the best players. It's not a race issue. It's a football program issue.

It's not just the school's student population that matters. The deep south has a much larger minority % than you might think. Especially in small/town & rural areas compared to rural Appalachia. So even if University of Alabama is only 10% black itself, the surrounding city/town/county is more like 35-40%

To build on some of your points, he said he was sheltered growing up in the hood and didn't interact/see white people other than his school teachers. There was definitely the theme of always escaping to go home to 757 when at Virginia Tech and Atlanta.

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You hit the nail on the head with homesick...which ties right in with classic immaturity. I refuse to believe this was about race other than somebody deciding it was going to be about race.

Of course Blacksburg is going to be different from Newport News for Michael Vick. NC A&T would have also been different. It was structure, accountability, and higher expectations at college vs. much more personal freedom and probably coddling back home in the 757.

Leonard. Duh.

The whiteness at VT they depicted that you pointed out was weird. I mean, if he was on scholarship at the University of Wyoming on the rodeo team I could kind of understand it. However, in 1999 I would imagine that the black student percentage at VT was pretty comparable to the overall black population percentage in the US. And... he was on the FOOTBALL team, which is usually pretty black.

My freshman year at Tech was 2001, right after Vick got drafted. Tech's student population was 91% White.

Percentage-wise, Black students were behind SE Asian and Indian students.

And... he was on the FOOTBALL team, which is usually pretty black.

The football team was roughly 100 people out of 24,000.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

His aunt's story is all hyperbole and I think her interview alone shows a lot of what the problem was (and still is) regarding his family and friends.

I am a mildly conservative white guy from Chesapeake that went to Oscar Smith and VT (2007-2011). After my very first class I called my Dad to tell him about it and I distinctly remember telling him "man, it is striking how white it is up here" and that was in 2007.

My entire life growing up I went to black schools, so I get what they're saying about culture shock. Folks from very white areas in Northern VA tend to not see that about Hampton Roads.

Edit: Not picking on NOVA or anything like that. Just chose that area because that makes up the majority of students last I saw.

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VT is really white, far moreso than the national average. I imagine that's difficult for someone coming from the projects.

I don't think VT was portrayed poorly or unfairly (aside from Tina Vick's comment on Beamer crying), but I'm more sad (for lack of a better term) that Vick isn't at all nastalgic about his time here. It would have been nice if the generational talent who helped put VT on the map was less indifferent about his time at VT, especially given the 'This is Home' branding that we push now.

But overall, I'm sympathetic towards Mike's mixed emotions about VT. It was obviously a culture shock for him.

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Good start to the series. Growing up in Hampton myself it was nice to see the tie backs to the area. I think I was most surprised by not one mention of Ronald Curry. I mean I was young back then but wasn't Vick not even the best athlete in the district? It kept bringing up and showing Allen Iverson but that was a few years before Vick. Maybe Ronald Curry wasn't brought up because he never shined too bright in the NFL, but I think it would have brought more light to their point about black quarterbacks not getting a shot in the NFL(since he switched to receiver with the Raiders).

As a Falcons and Hokies fan this was kinda painful. The NC game and the NFC championship were difficult memories.

Whadya mean I can't take off my sweater? I'm HOT!

You know, I really dont blame people who havent forgiven him and still hate him. When something this terrible happens, people internalize it differently based on their own experiences in life. I have forgiven him. But its something that i understand.

Watching it right now. His Aunt is a piece of work. Not sure I believe her Beamer crying/sobbing story.

Where's the beef?

Overall, as a fan of MV7, I'm satisfied with the first part. It was his background, his rise, his difficulty adjusting to life outside of Newport News, but also paying homage to the ton of success he had in Blacksburg and was also showing in Atlanta. The picture that's been painted is one of a guy whose success seems to have come pretty easy for him, and without regard to the support system that was showing up for him in Blacksburg and in Atlanta. The foreshadowing of problems to come is going exactly how I would have expected.

I really like hearing from Allen Iverson about MV7, because AI has probably the best comparison to MV7's background and experiences.

Part II is going to be interesting.

Was Vick ever interested in UVA? I know they were a bit more of a known commodity back in 97 under Welsh and would have been closer to home.

The story I have heard is that UVa was heavily recruiting Ronald Curry who I believe was a similar style player at a rival high school of Mike's. He had originally committed to UVa only to later switch to UNC causing UVa to miss out on both. Is there truth to this?

Curry went to Hampton and Vick to Warwick. They were huge rivals. If I remember correctly, Vick's coach (Reamon?) wouldn't allow a school who was recruiting Curry to also recruit Vick.

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Everyone ADORED Curry during that time. He was like the " BIG THING" coming out of Hampton Roads. I would hear more talk of Curry than Vick.

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HOKIES

There were a lot of people disappointed that VT had to "settle" for Vick. Imagine what the TKP recruiting thread would've looked like!

I'm watching the show now on DVR.

Shout out to my hometown of Newport News. I was a little sad about seeing him throw a long TD pass against my high school, but... that's what it was.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

A buddy of mine played in the VHSL all-star game with Michael. We had heard the "disappointed/settling talk" at that time. We stayed down in Va Beach before the game and after practice my buddy kept telling us wait until you see this guy Vick. I had played basketball against Curry and thought he was a good athlete, but mainly overrated as a player so we didn't think much of the Vick hype.
We went to the game and they did a East vs West back then so Curry and Vick were on the same squad. I remember several plays vividly from that game and my other friend who went to watch the game with me and I still talk about it. He had the best incompletion I have ever seen with a 55 yard bullet off his back-foot running out of bounds that went right through the astonished receiver's hands. He also was running around on several plays with guys chasing him and he made everyone look like little kids chasing Dads in the yard (keeping in mind the vast majority of the kids playing in that game played college football - most a a high level A or AA back then).
We both called our Dads and said I don't care what anyone tells you, the Hokies are going to be amazing and it's because of this guy Michael Vick. Our Dad's of course brushed us off, but we all laugh about it now.

Part 2 was solid. First hour was all about the dog fighting case, what went on, reaction, etc. The last hour was his redemption, all the work he put in with the Humane Society, charity work in the community and also the work he put it to getting back to being a football player with the Eagles. It did a good job focusing in on how Vick really has been reformed and recognized what he did was wrong.

That Quanis guy is a trip though. Dude still says he would have done everything over. And the whole time he keeps saying "we" had the lifestyle, "we" had millions. Bro, you literally had a free ride. And I really mean literally because they said in Part 1 that he just hopped in the car with Vick one day when he was headed to VT and stayed with him ever since. I was very happy to see Vick has cut him from his life entirely.

I think the moral quandary here is that Michael is a genuinely good person that wants to do right by his friends and family. He wants to give back and cares about being seen as a good person.

The part that makes it hard is that when you grow up in the projects you can't help but have nefarious characters as your friends and family. These people, including his family, took advantage of him and it is a testament to the person he is that he was able to rise above it all in the end.

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When Lamar Jackson left Louisville and entered the NFL, he took his mama, and NOBODY else.

Leonard. Duh.

Everytime he would talk, all I could think of is bubbles...

If he was at VT when MV7 was there, then he might have met Cory Bird.

Because Bubbles know Bird.

I can't remember anyone that has come further back, from being further down with more people against them. And MV chose to take the tough road to do it the right way. I have immense respect for that man because of the way he made Part II turn out. Redemption. Comeback. Second chances.

I accidentally forgot about the second part of this documentary and cut off my youtube tv subscription just after the super bowl.

So I missed it. Realized it when I checked the calendar and saw it was the sixth. Sounds like the second half was worth a watch.

Finally got around to watching this. Couple thoughts:
1. Watching the National title stuff made me sick- it's unfortunate how far this program has fallen since those days. But at the same time, it's clear that all it takes is a single player to completely change the narrative of a program around.
2. The takeaway that some people had about Beamer being absolutely distraught when Vick was leaving seems kind of overblown. Vick's dramatic ass Aunt made him sound that way but that's the only story you really hear about it. In context it's obvious that if he was upset, it's only because he was emotional at the fact of what him going pro would mean to his family.
3. The stuff about VT being "very white" wasn't a shot at VT. That was completely a comparison between the normal college atmosphere and what Vick was used to back in his hometown. It was literally during a segment of him talking about how he actually never wanted to leave home or go to college.
4. I completely forgot he even played for the Jets and Steelers somehow
5. Walked away thinking it was very well done overall. At the end you really do see him as a genuinely good person that got caught up in the nasty concoction that easily can happen when stardom and rough surroundings clash. I'm glad they shed some light on all the good that he's STILL doing even to this day, proving that all the Humane Society stuff wasn't just lip service