OT: 2020 NFL Offseason Thread

May not be any actual sporting results to report on, but there have been some NFL tidbits in the last 48 hours:

Today is deadline for teams to tag players, and the league new year (and therefore free agency!) starts at midnight eastern Tuesday into Wednesday. Expect more trades and cuts as those deadlines get even closer.

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DeAndre Hopkins is the return on the David Johnson trade

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

HOLY GAZOONES on the David Johnson trade

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The Jags gonna Jag.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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  • TE Hunter Henry got tagged by the Chargers
  • DT Chris Jones got tagged by the Chiefs
  • OG Joe Thuney got tagged by the Pats
  • DE Shaq Barrett got tagged by the Bucs

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Can't understand what the Texans are smoking. Bill O'Brien is making some bad bad moves in his tenure with player personal control.

Trading away one of the top WR weapons in the game for an RB with significant injury history and a 2nd rounder just seems dumb. Especially considering they could have signed Freeman for nothing to fill that role, or drafted 3rd/4th Round RB that could do the same thing.

cam phillips to texans confirmed /s

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Note: The 2nd round pick sent to the Ravens is the second of two 2nd round picks, received from the Patriots for WR Mohammed Sanu. So essentially this trade looks like:

Falcons give up:
WR Mohammed Sanu
2020 5th Round pick

Ravens give up:
TE Hayden Hurst
2020 4th Round pick

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this much for hooper is ridiculous to me

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Which is why the Falcons traded one of their MUCH needed 2nd rounders for Hurst.

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Hooper was an excellent fantasy auction draft pickup for me this past year. Got him for $1 or $2.

I agree, I don't think he is on the same level as Kittle or Kelce

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Colts trade pick 13 to SF for DeForest Buckner and sign him to a new deal $21M average annual value.

As a Colts fan...woah. Buckner is really good but I'm a little shocked they were willing to give up 13 with an unsteady QB situation. They must not like any of the top QBs they would've had a shot at from 13. Going all in on competing now with a vet QB (assume Rivers).

Yeah I didn't understand it either...especially considering they may be able to get Derrick Brown or Kinlaw at 13

Yeah I don't mind that - Buckner is the ceiling for either of those guys so if that's who you wanted to draft I'd rather have Buckner.

My concern is mainly around the QB. Now they pretty much need to get Rivers (which is apparently very likely). But they also need to either move up with the 2 second rounders to get a QB or they have to go hard after one in next years draft because Rivers doesn't have much left in the tank.

the issue is that you could have Kinlaw at a fraction of the price of what you just paid for Buckner.

my bet is that the niners trade back and get more picks. moves like this are how good franchises stay good

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I get it and it's a good deal for SF since they wouldn't have been able to pay him. But the fact is Buck is a sure thing while Kinlaw is a draft pick. If he hits his ceiling, he'll be as good as Buckner. Colts have plenty of cap so I think getting the sure thing is better. But, I would've rather them used that pick to get a QB

he's very good and it makes sense for IND to fill a need using available resources, but ideally you'd use the cap space or the draft pick instead of both. 13 is kind of an odd spot if you're targeting a QB, so if they didn't think they could get their guy, i see why they'd pivot

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just more chance Kinlaw falls into the Falcons' lap at 16.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

As a Viking fan and someone who thinks our GM and Zimmer have been really good at drafting, this is 1000% worth it I think. This draft is deep enough to take a WR in round 2 that can contribute right away, and getting 2 first rounders (if we keep them) lets us potentially fill out our 2 areas of need at OT and CB on day 1 of the draft.

yeah i think this deal is a slam dunk for MIN. go a little more run heavy with two tight end sets, play action etc. and get someone in a deep WR draft who won't be upset playing the #2 role with Thielen

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Since it's the Vikings, kind of reminds me when Minnesota traded for Herschel Walker with an insane amount of players and draft picks-it's still the largest player trade in NFL history. Hope it works out better for them this time, as that trade was the springboard for the Cowboys dynasty of the early to mid 90s.

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As a lifelong diehard pats fan this is a sad but it was kinda obvious to see it was coming. Cant blame him at this point NE would have to do some major stuff to get in new weapons and retool on offense and BB has been wanting to go with a new QB for a while now and now he can. Cant thank the guy enough 6 rings and the GOAT not bad for what we got him for originally. Guess the AFC east will be the bills to lose this upcoming season. Very interested to see where we go for QB next season.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Sounds like they're also about to grab Bridgewater for a $60m deal

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I can't find the tweet, so I guess he deleted it, but this is interesting.

Greg Olsen piled on as well.

Things are not healthy in Charlotte right now, and the fans are pretty angry over how they have been treating some of their long tenured players.

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I saw that. Definitely not looking good for the Panthers right now. Where do you think Cam will end up?

No idea. Cam Newton with that team and that head coach? He's going to go, he's going to be traded for peanuts, because the Panthers have absolutely zero leverage anymore, and he's going to hand pick whatever contender he wants to play for. And given his contract ($19m this year) is less than what players like Teddy Bridgewater just signed, there shouldn't be a shortage of suitors lined up for him.

I could easily see him at a place where QB is the missing link. Chicago, (now) New England, Miami, (maybe) Jacksonville. The guy still has plenty of talent, and he was playing at a borderline MVP level when he got hurt in 2018. If he's at all able to get back, he's an absolute steal to a good team and would push someone to the title.

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there is a shortage of suitors because who actually needs or wants him? there are only like six teams who aren't settled at QB or who would look to make a change, and two of them have top-5 picks (or the trade ammo to move up more)

Chargers, Patriots, Bears, Dolphins, Bengals, Jaguars

He'll maybe go for like a 6th round pick or something because of no leverage and expiring deal, but in all likelihood teams will just try to wait out and get him in FA on the deal they'd have to give him after trading for him anyway... it's difficult for me to see him winding up anywhere but the Bears or Chargers. Pats gonna Pat, Dolphins and Bengals (and Chargers?) have the draft, and Jaguars have a lot of money tied up in Foles and players view that entire situation as toxic

not to mention that Andy Dalton is available too and he's not nearly the injury/wear-and-tear risk that Cam is.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Browns made a solid move to land Jack Conklin to shore up the RT position. I fully expect them to take a LT with the 10th pick

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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A bit of an under the radar move, but I really like the Eagles pickup of Javon Hargrave at DT. Very productive guy even in limited snaps in Pittsburgh.

A rotation of Cox, Hargrave, Malik Jackson could be extremely disruptive.

Meanwhile the Cowboys paid Cooper megabucks and screwed up their long term costs at QB while their defense got worse. Between paying Zeke, Cooper, and Dak and with the $$ in their o-line, someone needs to remind Jerruh that the other team gets the ball too

Thus ends the Mitchell Trubisky Experiment.

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-Stan Lee

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-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
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Can't believe the Bears bailed them out of that contract...and sent a 4th to do it.

Foles restructured it as part of the trade - only $21m left guaranteed over 3 years and he has the option to void the deal after either of the next two years. Still almost $19m dead cap on Jacksonville's books

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CB Chris Harris Jr to the Chargers for 2/$20.5m

really good business for them to add to a strong secondary

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Chargers sleeper wildcard team, maybe?

Remains to be seen what they're doing on OL and QB, but they have the pieces on defense and a really good collection of skill players on offense. Could definitely make a run for it now that you'd expect only one playoff team from the AFC East

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Oh dont worry about QB, the charges already have someone ๐Ÿ˜

Been a Bucs fan since the Dungy days. What a time to be alive. Hope we can win now because I think we will be lucky to get more than a couple seasons with Brady. I can't remember the last time I had confidence in a Bucs QB. Maybe Jeff Garcia? God.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

TB12 is now TB12.

We put the K in Kwality

Been a Bucs fan since the Dungy days.

Can't think of a worse fate than being a Bucs fan.

Oh, wait, I can. Being a Saints fan.

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Can't think of a worse fate than being a Bucs fan.

Oh, wait, I can. Being a Saints fan.

Weird. I can remember the Saints and Bucs winning Super Bowls but the only thing I remember about the Falcons is 28-3.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

my man

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I'm seeing on Twitter (based off his wife's IG post) that Logan Thomas is headed to the Redskins. Nothing official yet though

Edit:

Another year in the system.

And then promptly signed him to a 3 year, $50m contract with $20m guaranteed.

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looks like $30m guaranteed

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I'm happy about it.

Corner and WR were the two biggest needs for the Birds. I am fine with Slay on one side and some combination of Douglas/Maddox/Jones on the other. Makes a lot of sense as to why they let Malcom walk too. I love Jenkins, but no chance I am giving that kind of money to a 33 year old safety who's play has started to decline.

This was the move to make once it was clear that Byron Jones simply did not want to stay in the NFCE. Still have your top picks to grab a WR in the draft and sign a low end FA like Perriman.

I've seen some people get hung up on the "highest paid" thing, but that will literally change next season when some other CB signs the highest deal. And Schwartz clearly knows how to use the guy to maximum effectiveness when you consider he was the HC that drafted him in the first place.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Dallas agreed to 3 year deal with DT Gerald McCoy

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not sure if this is worthy of a separate thread, but the NFL has made NFL Game Pass available for free until May 31, 2020. I haven't signed up yet myself, but others on reddit say no CC# info is required for the freebie.

https://gamepass.nfl.com/
Access full broadcast replays, condensed games in ~45 minutes, and the all-22 coaches film.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Vikings are making a lot of cap space. We have let a lot of guys walk that I didn't expect. I wonder if we are planning a splash.

Extended Cousins wasn't a big enough splash?

Don't be cruel during these already trying times.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

...pending a physical.

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Looks like it's a done deal. Now let's get that running game going with Gurley and take some heat off Ryan to have to throw 70 times a game to win.

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Skins just traded a 5th rounder for Carolina's Allen....I hate the move

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

This is the first exciting thing that's happened in free agency for Carolina fans. Bridgewater isn't horrible either, but this is a steal.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I seriously can't believe the Panthers actually got something for him. He's absolutely awful.

Also says something about how healthy Cam is that Ron Rivera would rather give up a 5th round pick to trade for Kyle Allen than wait for him to hit the Free Agent market.

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Watching Allen play this year reminded me so much of Ryan Willis. Some good drives and some good plays, but just too many turnovers for being careless with the football (mostly from too much pressure on the QB).

Secretly hoping we can get rid of Will Grier too, although it was fun cheering for the other team to get interceptions and then watch it happen.

So, does Carolina now draft a QB with their first rounder? Or is Bridgewater the long-term answer?

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Hope they don't reach for one this year. There are enough holes, especially on defense, for them to go BPA and come out better for it. And Hurney typically does that in the 1st round.

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They also signed PJ Walker from the XFL this afternoon.

I think they are fully prepared to embrace the tank and hope they are ready to peak when Brady, Brees, and Ryan are ready to retire

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Looks like Cam is gonna get cut

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Its truly impressive how badly the Panthers screwed this one up.

You can't tell me that they couldn't have gotten something for Cam when Kyle Allen gets a 5th round pick. But in signing Bridgewater and the XFL guy like they did, they completely blew up whatever leverage they had and teams knew they could just wait for them to cut him and not have to worry about a trade.

Just impressively incompetent.

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i don't think the panthers played it that badly, and it's only worth making that case if you think they didn't plan on starting next season without him anyway. yeah, you try to get as much value from the pieces you don't view as foundational moving forward, but the goal is to build a competitive team, not "get as much as possible for cam newton". I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but there is more of an argument to be made that they should have just cut him -- but then teddy's starting point in negotiations goes up.

kyle allen had more trade value because he's way cheaper and won't expect to start.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Good point about Kyle Allen. I think a good deal of his value comes from the fact that he won't raise hell if he doesn't start.

Also agree on the Cam thing. Could the Panthers have gotten something for him? Sure. I mean there arn't enough starting caliber QBs in the world to field 32 of them right now as it is. Shit, the Patriots are choosing between Hoyer and Stidham!! So to simply cut one that clearly has starter talent with no compensation is not great, but its hardly the end of the world when you get down to it.

i actually think that this is the first time in my recent memory that there seem to be more available serviceable options at QB than ever before, but maybe that's just me.

So to simply cut one that clearly has starter talent with no compensation is not great, but its hardly the end of the world when you get down to it.

agree, but i think there's way more to it than talent, though -- health, contract, scheme fit, personality fit, alternative options, etc etc all factor into trade value and seriously depressed Cam's value on the market. I wonder if they called the Texans though

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

They apparently called the Bears (pre-Foles) and Chargers and didn't get a nibble on the line. I'm with you... it sucks but the situation was predominately out of Carolina's control. If they knew they wanted Bridgewater they couldn't just wait for Newton's situation to resolve and that's just how it goes.

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Its nice to see that everyone is doing their part

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