OT: 2020 NFL Offseason Thread

May not be any actual sporting results to report on, but there have been some NFL tidbits in the last 48 hours:

Today is deadline for teams to tag players, and the league new year (and therefore free agency!) starts at midnight eastern Tuesday into Wednesday. Expect more trades and cuts as those deadlines get even closer.

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DeAndre Hopkins is the return on the David Johnson trade

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HOLY GAZOONES on the David Johnson trade

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The Jags gonna Jag.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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  • TE Hunter Henry got tagged by the Chargers
  • DT Chris Jones got tagged by the Chiefs
  • OG Joe Thuney got tagged by the Pats
  • DE Shaq Barrett got tagged by the Bucs

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Can't understand what the Texans are smoking. Bill O'Brien is making some bad bad moves in his tenure with player personal control.

Trading away one of the top WR weapons in the game for an RB with significant injury history and a 2nd rounder just seems dumb. Especially considering they could have signed Freeman for nothing to fill that role, or drafted 3rd/4th Round RB that could do the same thing.

cam phillips to texans confirmed /s

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Note: The 2nd round pick sent to the Ravens is the second of two 2nd round picks, received from the Patriots for WR Mohammed Sanu. So essentially this trade looks like:

Falcons give up:
WR Mohammed Sanu
2020 5th Round pick

Ravens give up:
TE Hayden Hurst
2020 4th Round pick

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this much for hooper is ridiculous to me

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Which is why the Falcons traded one of their MUCH needed 2nd rounders for Hurst.

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Hooper was an excellent fantasy auction draft pickup for me this past year. Got him for $1 or $2.

I agree, I don't think he is on the same level as Kittle or Kelce

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Colts trade pick 13 to SF for DeForest Buckner and sign him to a new deal $21M average annual value.

As a Colts fan...woah. Buckner is really good but I'm a little shocked they were willing to give up 13 with an unsteady QB situation. They must not like any of the top QBs they would've had a shot at from 13. Going all in on competing now with a vet QB (assume Rivers).

Yeah I didn't understand it either...especially considering they may be able to get Derrick Brown or Kinlaw at 13

Yeah I don't mind that - Buckner is the ceiling for either of those guys so if that's who you wanted to draft I'd rather have Buckner.

My concern is mainly around the QB. Now they pretty much need to get Rivers (which is apparently very likely). But they also need to either move up with the 2 second rounders to get a QB or they have to go hard after one in next years draft because Rivers doesn't have much left in the tank.

the issue is that you could have Kinlaw at a fraction of the price of what you just paid for Buckner.

my bet is that the niners trade back and get more picks. moves like this are how good franchises stay good

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I get it and it's a good deal for SF since they wouldn't have been able to pay him. But the fact is Buck is a sure thing while Kinlaw is a draft pick. If he hits his ceiling, he'll be as good as Buckner. Colts have plenty of cap so I think getting the sure thing is better. But, I would've rather them used that pick to get a QB

he's very good and it makes sense for IND to fill a need using available resources, but ideally you'd use the cap space or the draft pick instead of both. 13 is kind of an odd spot if you're targeting a QB, so if they didn't think they could get their guy, i see why they'd pivot

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Just more chance Kinlaw falls into the Falcons' lap at 16.

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As a Viking fan and someone who thinks our GM and Zimmer have been really good at drafting, this is 1000% worth it I think. This draft is deep enough to take a WR in round 2 that can contribute right away, and getting 2 first rounders (if we keep them) lets us potentially fill out our 2 areas of need at OT and CB on day 1 of the draft.

yeah i think this deal is a slam dunk for MIN. go a little more run heavy with two tight end sets, play action etc. and get someone in a deep WR draft who won't be upset playing the #2 role with Thielen

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Since it's the Vikings, kind of reminds me when Minnesota traded for Herschel Walker with an insane amount of players and draft picks-it's still the largest player trade in NFL history. Hope it works out better for them this time, as that trade was the springboard for the Cowboys dynasty of the early to mid 90s.

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As a lifelong diehard pats fan this is a sad but it was kinda obvious to see it was coming. Cant blame him at this point NE would have to do some major stuff to get in new weapons and retool on offense and BB has been wanting to go with a new QB for a while now and now he can. Cant thank the guy enough 6 rings and the GOAT not bad for what we got him for originally. Guess the AFC east will be the bills to lose this upcoming season. Very interested to see where we go for QB next season.

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Sounds like they're also about to grab Bridgewater for a $60m deal

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I can't find the tweet, so I guess he deleted it, but this is interesting.

Greg Olsen piled on as well.

Things are not healthy in Charlotte right now, and the fans are pretty angry over how they have been treating some of their long tenured players.

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I saw that. Definitely not looking good for the Panthers right now. Where do you think Cam will end up?

No idea. Cam Newton with that team and that head coach? He's going to go, he's going to be traded for peanuts, because the Panthers have absolutely zero leverage anymore, and he's going to hand pick whatever contender he wants to play for. And given his contract ($19m this year) is less than what players like Teddy Bridgewater just signed, there shouldn't be a shortage of suitors lined up for him.

I could easily see him at a place where QB is the missing link. Chicago, (now) New England, Miami, (maybe) Jacksonville. The guy still has plenty of talent, and he was playing at a borderline MVP level when he got hurt in 2018. If he's at all able to get back, he's an absolute steal to a good team and would push someone to the title.

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there is a shortage of suitors because who actually needs or wants him? there are only like six teams who aren't settled at QB or who would look to make a change, and two of them have top-5 picks (or the trade ammo to move up more)

Chargers, Patriots, Bears, Dolphins, Bengals, Jaguars

He'll maybe go for like a 6th round pick or something because of no leverage and expiring deal, but in all likelihood teams will just try to wait out and get him in FA on the deal they'd have to give him after trading for him anyway... it's difficult for me to see him winding up anywhere but the Bears or Chargers. Pats gonna Pat, Dolphins and Bengals (and Chargers?) have the draft, and Jaguars have a lot of money tied up in Foles and players view that entire situation as toxic

not to mention that Andy Dalton is available too and he's not nearly the injury/wear-and-tear risk that Cam is.

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Browns made a solid move to land Jack Conklin to shore up the RT position. I fully expect them to take a LT with the 10th pick

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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A bit of an under the radar move, but I really like the Eagles pickup of Javon Hargrave at DT. Very productive guy even in limited snaps in Pittsburgh.

A rotation of Cox, Hargrave, Malik Jackson could be extremely disruptive.

Meanwhile the Cowboys paid Cooper megabucks and screwed up their long term costs at QB while their defense got worse. Between paying Zeke, Cooper, and Dak and with the $$ in their o-line, someone needs to remind Jerruh that the other team gets the ball too

Thus ends the Mitchell Trubisky Experiment.

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Can't believe the Bears bailed them out of that contract...and sent a 4th to do it.

Foles restructured it as part of the trade - only $21m left guaranteed over 3 years and he has the option to void the deal after either of the next two years. Still almost $19m dead cap on Jacksonville's books

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CB Chris Harris Jr to the Chargers for 2/$20.5m

really good business for them to add to a strong secondary

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Chargers sleeper wildcard team, maybe?

Remains to be seen what they're doing on OL and QB, but they have the pieces on defense and a really good collection of skill players on offense. Could definitely make a run for it now that you'd expect only one playoff team from the AFC East

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Oh dont worry about QB, the charges already have someone ๐Ÿ˜

Been a Bucs fan since the Dungy days. What a time to be alive. Hope we can win now because I think we will be lucky to get more than a couple seasons with Brady. I can't remember the last time I had confidence in a Bucs QB. Maybe Jeff Garcia? God.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

TB12 is now TB12.

We put the K in Kwality

Been a Bucs fan since the Dungy days.

Can't think of a worse fate than being a Bucs fan.

Oh, wait, I can. Being a Saints fan.

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Can't think of a worse fate than being a Bucs fan.

Oh, wait, I can. Being a Saints fan.

Weird. I can remember the Saints and Bucs winning Super Bowls but the only thing I remember about the Falcons is 28-3.

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my man

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I'm seeing on Twitter (based off his wife's IG post) that Logan Thomas is headed to the Redskins. Nothing official yet though

Edit:

Another year in the system.

And then promptly signed him to a 3 year, $50m contract with $20m guaranteed.

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looks like $30m guaranteed

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I'm happy about it.

Corner and WR were the two biggest needs for the Birds. I am fine with Slay on one side and some combination of Douglas/Maddox/Jones on the other. Makes a lot of sense as to why they let Malcom walk too. I love Jenkins, but no chance I am giving that kind of money to a 33 year old safety who's play has started to decline.

This was the move to make once it was clear that Byron Jones simply did not want to stay in the NFCE. Still have your top picks to grab a WR in the draft and sign a low end FA like Perriman.

I've seen some people get hung up on the "highest paid" thing, but that will literally change next season when some other CB signs the highest deal. And Schwartz clearly knows how to use the guy to maximum effectiveness when you consider he was the HC that drafted him in the first place.

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Dallas agreed to 3 year deal with DT Gerald McCoy

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Not sure if this is worthy of a separate thread, but the NFL has made NFL Game Pass available for free until May 31, 2020. I haven't signed up yet myself, but others on reddit say no CC# info is required for the freebie.

https://gamepass.nfl.com/
Access full broadcast replays, condensed games in ~45 minutes, and the all-22 coaches film.

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Vikings are making a lot of cap space. We have let a lot of guys walk that I didn't expect. I wonder if we are planning a splash.

Extended Cousins wasn't a big enough splash?

Don't be cruel during these already trying times.

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...pending a physical.

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Looks like it's a done deal. Now let's get that running game going with Gurley and take some heat off Ryan to have to throw 70 times a game to win.

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Skins just traded a 5th rounder for Carolina's Allen....I hate the move

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

This is the first exciting thing that's happened in free agency for Carolina fans. Bridgewater isn't horrible either, but this is a steal.

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I seriously can't believe the Panthers actually got something for him. He's absolutely awful.

Also says something about how healthy Cam is that Ron Rivera would rather give up a 5th round pick to trade for Kyle Allen than wait for him to hit the Free Agent market.

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Watching Allen play this year reminded me so much of Ryan Willis. Some good drives and some good plays, but just too many turnovers for being careless with the football (mostly from too much pressure on the QB).

Secretly hoping we can get rid of Will Grier too, although it was fun cheering for the other team to get interceptions and then watch it happen.

So, does Carolina now draft a QB with their first rounder? Or is Bridgewater the long-term answer?

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Hope they don't reach for one this year. There are enough holes, especially on defense, for them to go BPA and come out better for it. And Hurney typically does that in the 1st round.

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They also signed PJ Walker from the XFL this afternoon.

I think they are fully prepared to embrace the tank and hope they are ready to peak when Brady, Brees, and Ryan are ready to retire

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Looks like Cam is gonna get cut

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Its truly impressive how badly the Panthers screwed this one up.

You can't tell me that they couldn't have gotten something for Cam when Kyle Allen gets a 5th round pick. But in signing Bridgewater and the XFL guy like they did, they completely blew up whatever leverage they had and teams knew they could just wait for them to cut him and not have to worry about a trade.

Just impressively incompetent.

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i don't think the panthers played it that badly, and it's only worth making that case if you think they didn't plan on starting next season without him anyway. yeah, you try to get as much value from the pieces you don't view as foundational moving forward, but the goal is to build a competitive team, not "get as much as possible for cam newton". I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but there is more of an argument to be made that they should have just cut him -- but then teddy's starting point in negotiations goes up.

kyle allen had more trade value because he's way cheaper and won't expect to start.

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Good point about Kyle Allen. I think a good deal of his value comes from the fact that he won't raise hell if he doesn't start.

Also agree on the Cam thing. Could the Panthers have gotten something for him? Sure. I mean there arn't enough starting caliber QBs in the world to field 32 of them right now as it is. Shit, the Patriots are choosing between Hoyer and Stidham!! So to simply cut one that clearly has starter talent with no compensation is not great, but its hardly the end of the world when you get down to it.

i actually think that this is the first time in my recent memory that there seem to be more available serviceable options at QB than ever before, but maybe that's just me.

So to simply cut one that clearly has starter talent with no compensation is not great, but its hardly the end of the world when you get down to it.

agree, but i think there's way more to it than talent, though -- health, contract, scheme fit, personality fit, alternative options, etc etc all factor into trade value and seriously depressed Cam's value on the market. I wonder if they called the Texans though

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They apparently called the Bears (pre-Foles) and Chargers and didn't get a nibble on the line. I'm with you... it sucks but the situation was predominately out of Carolina's control. If they knew they wanted Bridgewater they couldn't just wait for Newton's situation to resolve and that's just how it goes.

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Its nice to see that everyone is doing their part

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There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

what on earth

The overall trade from HOU's perspective winds up being Hopkins + 2020 4th for Brandin Cooks, David Johnson, 2021 4th, and 2022 4th

??????????????????????????????????????

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Lets see how Deshaun Watson is doing right now...

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I feel bad for Deshaun. He doesn't deserve this crap.

Also saw that between Cooks and Cobb, they're paying two players the same annual salary that Hopkins was asking for, and gave away draft capital in the deepest WR draft class in recent memory for the privilege to do so

edit: i also feel bad for deshaun watson right now. he's tied to the franchise for potentially another five years between the end of his rookie deal, the fifth year option, and 3 tag years. If I'm his agent I'm begging the Patriots to make a trade offer.

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As a Colts fan, I cannot overstate just how much I truly love BOB. Lifetime contract, right now. Lock him up

Pretty damning analysis on this trade: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29018504/brandin-cooks-trade-grades-...

Concussions wrecked his 2019 season, though, and they're a serious concern for his long-term future. The former New Orleans Saints first-rounder suffered two brain injuries in 25 days last season, and he has five known concussions across his six pro seasons, including the one that knocked him out of the Super Bowl. No one can project the likelihood of Cooks suffering another concussion in 2020 or over the next several seasons, but it's impossible to pretend that he is just another talented receiver in the prime of his career.

In a vacuum, if I told you the Texans replaced DeAndre Hopkins with Cooks, that wouldn't be a disaster. Where this really goes off the rails, though, is with another O'Brien mistake. The one non-Cooper wideout to get a significant guarantee over two years in this draft class is Randall Cobb, who received a three-year, $27 million deal with $18 million guaranteed from Houston. Based on the rest of the market, Cobb's value was realistically somewhere around one year and $5 million.

The Texans will pay Cobb and Cooks $38.7 million over the next two seasons, or an average of $19.4 million per year. Hopkins reportedly wanted a contract extension worth between $18 million and $20 million per season. I haven't polled every team, but my suspicion is that about 28 or 29 of the 32 NFL teams would rather pay Hopkins that much money over the next couple of seasons than they would the combination of Cobb and Cooks.

The Texans also have Will Fuller and Kenny Stills under contract in 2020 for a combined $17.1 million, meaning that Cooks is nominally coming in as their fourth wide receiver. I suspect they could cut Stills, which would free up $7 million, but that would be getting rid of a player they gave up draft assets to acquire in the Tunsil trade last year just to accommodate the player they gave up draft assets to acquire this offseason.

To have this all make sense, you have to believe that the difference between having Cobb and Cooks on your roster as opposed to Hopkins and Stills is less than what the Texans needed to do to make that change. Houston sent the 57th pick and 131st picks out in those two deals and got back the 40th selection to go with fourth-rounders in 2021 and 2022. It also had to absorb the contract of running back David Johnson, who has a minimum of $12.3 million guaranteed due over the next two seasons. There was no market for Gurley, who has been a dramatically more productive player over the course of his career. Most teams would insist on getting a pick just to absorb that Johnson contract.

There's no way to make this all add up, and while I try to keep each of these trades and decisions separate in evaluating deals, you can't escape the specter of the Hopkins and Cobb deals in evaluating what the Texans are doing here. To spite one of their best players for wanting a contract extension too soon, they have made three disastrous decisions. We're going to look back on this offseason the same way we look back at the decisions the Rams made during that summer of 2018: in total disbelief.

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My in laws live in Houston. I got married in Houston. As such, I have gotten to know a ton of Texans fans, and they are PISSSSSSSSED.

Rightfully so. Bill O'Brien is an idiot, and a great example of why you should never let your head coach also act as the GM (See: Chip Kelly and the Eagles)

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As a Pat's fan this is a swift kicks in the nuts after the way last season ended

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Not sure it happens. The Bucc's actually have two good TE's and Gronk is a walking injury potential.

??? lol

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Some team will be able to get OJ Howard for peanuts now.

"I feel bad for the Patriots"...said no one ever

Hot damn!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Sooo...who the hell's to say that Gronk will suit up? I can't imagine he wouldn't, surely the Buckeroos have done their due diligence, but he did retire. I think may have answered my own question, but still lol

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Something tells me you arn't sending out a 4th Rounder unless you are certain the guy will play

Yeah...just read he told Pats brass he wanted to play there. Sometimes, I be dum.

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So many good interviews this week on AZ radio with DeAndre Hopkins.

I've always been a fan of his since he came into the league, and although he is pretty diplomatic about it, pretty clear he can't stand Bill O'Brien

Well, today is draft day. Who is your team going to draft? Who do you want them to draft?

Me, with all the chatter about the Falcons aggressively trying to trade up, including as far as the #2 pick, I'm just hoping they don't give up draft assets for the non-tackling C.J. Henderson. If they trade up, I hope it's Okudah, Brown, Simmons, or Kinlaw, and if not, and all four of those are gone at 16, I hope it's Henderson or trade back.

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Unless they trade up to take one of the three top tier receivers, hoping the Eagles take Justin Jefferson or Tee Higgins. We really need a #1 receiver presence especially since I'm not sure Alshon makes it to fall camp on the roster.

I'm not sure that Jefferson isn't in that top tier group. Daniel Jeremiah's (NFL.com) latest mock has Jefferson going before Jeudy and Ruggs. (Plus, I like this mock because the Falcons trade up to get Derrick Brown at #9.)

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He's certainly been rising in recent days. I'm not sure he goes quite that high but we'll see. I will say that if we don't walk out of the first round with one of those 5 I mentioned, it'll be viewed as a disappointment to myself and many fans.

I had seen this too and I hope ATL doesn't sell the farm to get Chase Young. Granted, I didn't watch every anOSU game but after watching the CFP game vs Clemson he seemed like a non-factor against their Pro level O-Linemen. Maybe I'm the crazy one but but I don't think he is worth chasing for Atlanta.

I normally don't watch the entire first round if there isn't a potential Hokie going, but I may watch this one to see how it's done. Any ideas on where to watch?

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If it starts off Burrow-Young-Okudah 1,2,3 and the Giants don't trade back and Gettleman takes Isaiah Simmons or OL instead, I'll be apoplectic. No reason you should't trade down 1-2 spots if MIA/LAC are trying to get their QB.

However, seeing as how Gettleman appears to treat the draft as a pure scouting exercise and not a roster-building tool (hello Saquon), my money is on OT or Simmons at 4.

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Hog mollies. That's Gettleman's thing.

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it's why i wish he wasn't my team's GM.

nothing wrong with building through the lines. in fact, controlling the LOS makes a lot of sense!

but! the goal should be to build the most competitive team, not to "get the hog mollies".

if they're at 4 and MIA/LAC both want to move up for the same QB, I'd much rather have 5/6 (and probably still your guy) + a more picks than just take your guy at 4 and say "we fell in love and there was never a chance we weren't gonna take him at 4. we think he's that good"

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Oh trust me, I feel for you having to deal with Gettleman now. I was not a fan of his in Carolina. Got so sick of hog mollies (yet somehow still failing to find a decent blindside protector).

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I mean he definitely should trade down, but I don't know if Miami is going to be motivated to do that deal. If they are going to trade up, they're probably going to go to 3. If they let Detroit pick, they are basically saying they don't think anyone else is going to trade above them to pick a QB. If they do want to trade up, it will either be to 3 (to jump NYG for an OT as is being floated around today) or to beat out other offers from QB needy teams (LAC - not a sure thing they are taking a QB). DET is the first team who will likely consider a trade down without a massive overpay, so I don't see how NYG trades down unless it's someone who really wants Simmons or wants their pick of the OT class.

If MIA doesn't move up to 3 and DET takes Okudah, you'd think some team would be interested in taking QB ahead of Miami at 5 (and/or Chargers at 6). Mostly likely the Chargers. Miami is loaded with picks and could very easily afford to give up #70 to move up a spot and ensure they get their guy.

I see what you're saying. If there's an offer for the Giants to move down 1-2 spots, they should do it because chances are they're still going to get their guy at 5 or 6.

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But if the Chargers are willing to move up to 4 why wouldn't they be willing to move to 3? The Lions have basically broadcasted their intent to trade down so I guess I'm just not seeing the availability of a trade partner for New York. They definitely should though. Honestly, if you're picking in the top 10 and don't need a QB, trading down is always the way to go.

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As a Redskins fan, I don't have a lot of faith in the franchise. However, taking Young at #2 is a no brainer. He is the best player in the draft and having an elite pass rusher should take the defense to the next level. Unfortunately, we need a #1 receiver and help on the O line so if they get a good offer to trade down and pick up a second round pick, I wouldn't be upset about it. #PleaseDontScrewThisUp

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As a pats fan I'm trying to get excited for the draft but in the end I'll just pass out before our pick anyway. Would love to see us trade up for tua but BB will never do that.

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As a Colts fan, I'm hoping they don't do anything tonight (they probably won't trade back into Rd 1) unless there is a big slide for Tua because of medical issues. Even then, they would probably still have to get in front of NE which would be expensive.

In Rd 2, I'm on the fence about Jordan Love. I'm starting to think he might be too risky and I think I'd rather they grab a CB like Jaylon Johnson if he makes it that far and a WR like Mims or Michael Pittman. And hoping they trade back (not too far) from 34.

I think Jordan Love goes in Round 1, if for no other reason than to get the fifth year option. That's big for a QB.

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People always say that, and I understand why, but it seems rare that a QB who's actually good makes it to the 5th year without an extension already. Lamar isn't making it to year 5. As soon as he's eligible, they'll extend him so the price doesn't go up. If you have a QB (Jameis, Mariota) who goes into year 5 without a long term deal, you probably already know he's not the guy.

I haven't been this excited for a draft in a long time. the uncertainty surrounding prospects and teams has made the buildup great. I also cannot stop looking at mock drafts. It also makes missing out on Mekhi Becton hurt more and more.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Lost in all the draft hoopla was that Laremy Tunsil and the Texans agreed to a 3/$66m deal with $50m in effective guarantees.

Tunsil's $40 million fully guaranteed at signing sets a new standard for offensive linemen. The previous benchmark was Trent Brown's $36.25 million with the Raiders. Tunsil's $50 million in overall guarantees is tied for second among offensive linemen with Titans left tackle Taylor Lewan behind Johnson's $54.595 million. It should be noted that Lewan and Johnson's deals put them under contract for six and seven years respectively while Tunsil's is only for four years.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-did-laremy-tunsil-do-...

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Bill O'Brien has no idea what he is doing. He's basically used 3 first round picks to get two OL.

My friend Brian that runs House of Houston blog put up a post the other day that O'Brien "murdered the NFL Draft", and not in a good way.

Largest AAV for a tackle by 4M/yr. Tunsil could have basically asked for any number and Houston would pretty much had to pay it since they traded away two ones and two twos without having a contract in place already. Gotta love BOB

James Develin just retired. Things are looking really good for Keene to feature prominently in New England.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

The year is 2050.
We have flying cars.
You can upload your consciousness to the internet.
Frank Gore rushes for a 3 yard gain.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

And Green Bay still hasn't drafted a WR.

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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Quincy Enunwa is under contract but out for the year with the same neck injury

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Yikes

Oof

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I'm so happy this guy is going to an NFL training camp.

Bill Murray from W&M

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Keene getting PAID

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OTC disagrees with the amount but still a nice payday
https://overthecap.com/player/dalton-keene/8841/

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โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

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No sports? No problem, the NFL still keeps things interesting. Robbing your gambling buddies?

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as a giants fan, sigh

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Jerry Jones is getting ready to offer them both contracts to help the Cowboys secondary

Cam Newton signs with New England

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Havent seen the financials on the deal yet but cant say its a good deal for both ends. The odds we see an abridged season or shorter season are high and Newton hasnt played a full season in quite some time. Could be a good opportunity to get healthy and play a full season and just get some confidence in his fitness again. You knew New England werent going to hand out an Alex smith type deal to solve their need at QB so this is a happy medium for both parties, if it works great and if not they didnt sign him to a massive multi year deal.

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1 year, "incentive-heavy"

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League minimum, up to 7.5 Million with incentives.

Yep the deal is getting some flak from other players namely Sherman but honestly its a decent shot for Newton and both NE to test it out before they give him a bigger deal if he thrives. Fortunately NE isnt run by the genius QB guru Dan Snyder.

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I have heard from some people who have insight into these things, and they are less than enthusiastic that a football season happens this year. College or NFL.

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