Devon Hunter suspended from the team

Well.... this sucks

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well that's not ideal

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Why is everything shit?

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

How much time you got?

Because it's 2020!!

This seems premature.

That does tend to happen when one sucks

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Yeah, don't we have to be good first lol?

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2020 can't end soon enough

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Ok this one is definitely not on me

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The bad karma from this asshat fan has too much stink to ever wash off. Take this as a lesson, hokie nation.

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*sigh*

Yet another piece of bad news. At least we're used to it? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Truly is getting harder and harder to care about Tech football like I used to. This was done for a reason and he 100% has to own his own actions, but it's something new and crappy every single week with our program. Hoping whatever it is, that it's not horrible and can be worked out.

So much for the hopefully it's not horrible and can be worked out...innocent until proven guilty, but this probably is not good. Hope everyone involved is OK.

The family that strangles together stays together?

Another 4 star that really never played.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

why even post this

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This post is tacky as hell and you should be embarrassed.

why on earth would you think this was ok to post?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Dude...

I'm surprised his family member didn't break the tackle and score an 80 yard TD.

While the optics are rough with not being able to develop the highest ranked commit on the team from a recruiting area of need, I don't know how much of a loss it is. Hunter hasn't contributed yet, and has taken 3+ years to develop; I believe there was even discussion of moving him to Running Back last year. I don't recall a lot of gushing praise about his shining in camp or anything this offseason. I'm disappointed the guy is gone, but it's not like Tech is losing an all-conference talent here.

He was going to be a starting safety and by all accounts coming out of the August camp is that the light had come on for him and it was go time. This has NOT been what we've heard in previous years. It is absolutely a loss, especially considering we are young and thin at safety.

It's the loss of a highly talented guy, but not a proven contributor. If he wasn't a top 50 player from the 757, I don't know if the response would be as strong.

He was an expected starter, I think that is enough for the fan reaction to be strong. I know him being from the 757 probably adds an order of magnitude, but it's still a big deal.

Our highest ranked recruit since probably either Fuller or Tyrod and from the 757. Definitely going to cause an extremely negative reaction.

Yeah, if you don't think Dre Bly is already calling every 757 recruit with "this is why you don't go to VT", I don't know what to tell ya

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If there is merit to the dismissal, what alternative would you propose?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I don't think he's saying there is an alternative, just that it will be used against us in recruiting regardless of what happened.

No doubt. Why bitch about it though if it is something unavoidable. That negative recruiting shit will ultimately boomerang back and slap Dre upside the head.

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Um I could be wrong but didn't he play at Manchester high school. How would that be considered 757?

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Indian river

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Really! I could have bet money that he played at Manchester at least one season or am I mistaken him for another player?

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Checked his hokiesports bio and his 247 profile and no mention of manchester ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You are mistaking him for someone else. Hunter was Indian River varsity from Soph year. I believe. Definitely 757....

EDIT* It was Holland Fisher I was thinking of my mistake.

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JR Walker is a much better player. We just get to see him a little earlier if healthy. Hunter can't pass cover- that's why he hasn't seen the field. Let's call it like it is. He has been a bust thus far. Perhaps this would have been a breakout year, but that's not happening either.

He was very hesitant to fill the alley against the run as well. He was a decent enough tackler, but by the time he made contact, the runner was 7 yards downfield instead of close to the LOS where Hunter should have engaged way way way too often.

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I'm slowing loosing faith. It's been a while...but now it's starting to gain steam. While I'm one to give a lot of rope typically, and understand that everything isn't A or B in situations, there has been smoke coming from our football organization for some time...

When you have guys not wanting to win a game to go to a bowl game because it meant more practice, there's smoke.
When you have guys getting kicked off the team after a road loss, there's smoke.
When you have guys entering the transfer portal at an alarming rate, there's smoke.
When you only have 2 OL available for a game, there's smoke.
Individually, yeah, these things could be skimmed over. Put all together in the mixing bowl to see......I feel like the top brass in the football department don't have control of the team. And worse, don't have the respect of the players. No matter how good of a recruiter, or coach, or nice of a guy in film rooms, or whatever he is whenever. If your coach doesn't have the day-to-day respect of the players, the game and program are destined to fail.

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When you only have 2 OL available for a game, there's smoke

This is a unique year though. This isn't because of anything fuente has done or hasn't done. Other teams are having similiar things go on. You can't stop the spread of the virus no matter what you do. It's gonna make it's way through. But to say it's the fault of the coaching staff is unfair in my opinion.

As far as the transfer portal goes I don't think it's players leaving because they don't like Fu. From all that I've heard, which is pretty much the same thats out there for public consumption, is that Fu gives players the truth. And sometimes the players have other priorities as well.

Guys kicked off the team after a road loss....that was one player and from everything we all heard it was warranted.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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maybe it's just me -- but it just seems silly to say "top brass don't have control of the team" when (by all accounts) the player who didn't want to win to go to a bowl is gone, the player who got kicked off the team (obviously) got kicked off the team, players who disregard policies get suspended, etc etc

maybe there's something to the respect aspect, but it's difficult to argue there no accountability for the players or control over the program

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Agree it goes both ways. But just seems like a lot of things popping up that hadn't before. I know, I know, times are different...the portal wasn't there with Frank and etc....I know. But this is stuff that other teams had to deal with, and did deal with, when we never had to. Maybe it's just the times are a changing...maybe it's a situation similar to Buzz that we just need a change...better fit for the culture we are used to at Virginia Tech.

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Just to add....
I said the respect of the team. Not control of the team. Those are different animals.
Sometimes situations just fit right. Sometimes they don't. At no point in this did I blame Fu for what has occurred. I've only said that I feel like he doesn't have the team's respect. Like I mentioned about Buzz...he won games at VT, but wasn't the right fit. I don't think it's crazy to feel that Fu fits that similar thought: winning at VT (above 500...) but just not quite the right fit for us.

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I feel like the top brass in the football department don't have control of the team

can please help me understand what you meant by this? getting mixed signals

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Maybe I worded that wrong. Didn't mean control in a standard sense.

I know this is a fan forum. And we all bleed maroon and orange. We want our own to do awesome, and succeed, and be all that they can be. But as much as we close our eyes tightly and will that to be...it's not always true.

Meant along the lines of aren't fully fit for the top top positions. I feel like little things might slip through, and they might be in over their heads. (not struggling big time, just not top dog. See Dabo.) Some guys are super organized. Some guys get by. Some overachieve. Some fall short. Some are cool under fire at all times. Some are a bubbling mess inside (and some outside as well...see Dana Holgerson.) Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards the falling short...out of their control...like don't have a firm grasp on every aspect of the team. And while that may be a lot to ask of a single person, that's why there is a team of coaches to do this. Some put better staffs together than others. And the same issues can be had by the staff members. Understand the money aspects, I do. But it's just a sense I have. (And I don't live close enough to listen to the weekly shows, or attend Hokie Club functions, or run into Fu at his kids practice...this is a feeling from far away, seeing what I do see, blabbering on a fan forum. Like I've said in here several times. Maybe I'm wrong. but that's my feeling)

Maybe an example would be better. Mike London. Was a D1 head coach. In over his head basically. Little bits and pieces here and there. (YOU! recruiting letters...T.O.'s) Made you scratch your head. He had the position. People liked him. Players liked him. But he didn't have IT, and didn't fit at the school he was at. I have a similar feeling with Fu at VT. Yes, he's gotten there. Yes, he's won games. Yes, he has players that support him. But it just seems a bit off to me.

I will say it again, I was fully spoiled to the nth degree with Frank being Frank...a Hokie legend leading the way. I also understand his start was a rocky one...and it gained traction. Maybe we just need some mud tires. Maybe we just need some actual football. Maybe we need a season that has a 10 and a 1, no matter where they fall in each column to solidify thoughts. Maybe I have maroon colored lenses and want everything to come up Gobblers in the football department. I don't know.........but it feels strange. And I don't like it.

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Fuente is closed off. Absolutely a weakness in certain things. But, inserting only negative views because we do not know differently seems very odd to me. Comparing to Mike London is also a little harsh.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Not only inserting only negative views. Things are very not black/white...and not everything I see is negative. Tone doesn't come thru on these posts.
Was only using London as an example of not-the-right-fit. Not a direct comparison.

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London was bad at his job. That is why you havent seen him find the right fit.

You may ultimately be right about Fuente. However, I think he fits VT very well. VT being ready to not have Frank Beamer on the sidelines is another story. It all comes back to why nobody wants to follow a legend. Already on this thread I have seen reference to not having these problems in the past. In truth, VT had some very major problems in the late 90s. I don't see Fuente and Buzz having the same fit issues either. If Fuente was winning he would fit fine.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Seems to me that Fuente is a great fit values-wise with our team. If he gets more traction with wins and recruiting, he'll be fine.

I think Fuente fits fine.

There's been some patchy issues/moments, but I think people are a little too wrapped up in the pre 2005 VT football glory days and unjustly taking out their memories of football past and applying that to the current regime.

Most of the player issues I've seen recently seem to be bad eggs / self inflicted problems as opposed to coaching issues.

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I do not disagree with what you are saying.

At the same time, the list of one off incidents keeps growing and growing over time, and I can't fault anyone for taking a step back and going "WTF is going on right now" when it comes to VT football. I mean, I get it, we were very lucky to have a very stable program under Beamer which, while we did have some rough times (MV5), it was generally pretty good. I wasn't expecting us to swing fully in the other direction where it just now seems like there's an endless drip of frustrating events.

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I expect if we read through the old clippings, there was a lot of attrition we have forgotten under Beamer.

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That may be the case.

Winning does cure a lot of ills, and we haven't been doing enough of it lately.

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Yeah, a lot of bad arrests happened on Frank's watch too. It's not a problem unique to Tech, Beamer, Fuente, etc... However, you're right, Frank won a lot more and that mitigated the fall out amongst the fanbase.

I myself lack the historical details, but if I'm recalling correctly there were certainly things that happened under Frank's watch pre-99 that were outrageous and would have blown-up had social media existed at the time. This isn't a unique problem that only Fuente has experienced at this program.

there was a joke in the 90s that went something like, "a VT QB, a VT [other position], and a VT [other position]" are sitting in the backseat of a car. Who's driving? A Montgomery County deputy."

there were also things towards the end of CFB's time that were ridiculous and resulted with players getting kicked off the team -- but we all took it as indicative of CFB/the university prioritizing character and integrity and keeping the program clean as opposed to evidence that Frank had "lost the team".

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Huge number of things that I can think of off the top of my head:
- The Blacksburg Brawl where the track team and football team (11 or so players) went at it in the '95 season in downtown bburg, should have been more suspensions but you know got to beat Texas
- The guy that missed the sugar bowl for a hit and run with insurance fraud to follow AND missed the next year's bowl game because he and his roommate (another fb player) raped a women.
-- NOTE: It wasn't until the 97 season when Paul Torgeson called the Athlete Department and embarrassment that VT made the auto suspension for felony charge rule.
- Druckenmiller's more famous indiscretions that were post his graduation, but he also had a maliciously wounding while at VT
- Michael Holmes's beating a guy so bad after defending his GF in a fight that he got a felony charge.
- That LB that was charged with maliciously wounding some one in Burger King (he went on to play for ohio)
- That kicker (not Cody) that pulled a gun on someone while driving on Southgate.
- The punter that had sex with two 16 year olds
- The DB that got kicked off for armed robbery
- Flowers driving while the passenger flashed a gun at people.
- And my favorite, they guy that held a UVA student down and forced him to drink until unconscious (abduction charge).

I am not even going to touch the drug usage. But we had a player charged with trafficking cocaine

...Marcus Vick...

We put the K in Kwality

Leg for that one

yeah, I figured enough people remembered that event(s)

Go back and read Marcus Vick's wikipedia and read about his time in Blacksburg..he ran rampant

Gross. I honestly forgot about most of those.

Wait...the football team fought the track team?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Yup. Honestly a bunch of the mid-late 90's teams had some awful guys.

I remember in the '96 Orange Bowl vs Nebraska, they had an arrest counter at the beginning of the game for both teams. Pretty embarrassing.

I remember when I was at Tech, I was walking into a building and saw the cover of the CT - it was a picture of some guy on his knees, hands up, with a cop pointing a gun at him, and the headline was "VA Tech Football season opens Saturday." (I don't think the guy with his hands up was a football player, but not sure)

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Wow, I missed that one completely, noylt just in the list, I didn't know he had an issue, I thought he got injured and then transferred.

And my favorite, they guy that held a UVA student down and forced him to drink until unconscious (abduction charge).

So, one beer?

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this sounds like something a freshman who got caught drinking would tell his mom.* "No really, ma. A bunch of big football players forced me to drink. I didn't want to..." In fact, I think that one of my HS friends who went to LOLUVa may have used a similar line when he got arrested for drunk in public when visiting Blacksburg his freshman year.

*Keeping in mind that actually doing this to someone would be wrong, of course...

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- And my favorite, the guy that held a UVA student down and forced him to drink until unconscious (abduction charge).

Here's the link UVa student found unconscious on the sidewalk

In a separate case Wednesday, defensive tackle Brad Baylor was indicted on a charge of abduction _ and suspended for the rest of the season.

A 19-year-old University of Virginia student claimed Baylor held him against his will in a Blacksburg apartment July 27 and forced him to drink shots of alcohol. Police found the student unconscious on a sidewalk.

If I remember correctly, the guy said he was lost and knocked on a random apartment door to ask directions. Then he claimed several players pulled him inside and forced him to drink. Baylor was eventually acquitted of the charge.

EDIT - adding a link with more details

Circuit Judge Ray Grubbs made clear that although the evidence did not support a guilty verdict, he felt the maximum sentence would have been appropriate for anyone found guilty of forcing the victim to drink enough alcohol to reach the potentially fatal blood alcohol level of 0.346 percent.

On July 27, 1996, at 1:30 a.m., Blacksburg police found Todd Pringle face down on a North Main Street sidewalk. The University of Virginia student was treated in the Columbia Montgomery Regional Hospital's intensive care unit for a blood alcohol content more than four times the legal limit. A significant portion of Pringle's hair had been shaved off when police found him.

Pringle testified that three or four people kept him inside Baylor's house after he entered it looking for a friend. He said Baylor and others forced him into the kitchen and threatened to beat him if he didn't drink several shots of liquor.

Baylor's attorneys revealed that Pringle had made conflicting statements as to how much alcohol he'd consumed before entering the home - from two beers to eight beers. The defense also showed discrepancies in the evidence as to when Pringle said he drank the beer.

Baylor testified that he and some friends found Pringle that night staggering through his back yard, already drunk. ``He couldn't stand more than, like, 15 seconds without falling,'' Baylor said.

Baylor said that when the group went inside - including Pringle voluntarily - Pringle went into the kitchen alone and started drinking from a bottle of liquor. When Baylor and his roommates threatened to call police, Pringle fled. That was the last he was seen, Baylor said.

The defense couldn't explain how Pringle's hair got cut, "however, it's not for the defendant to explain this but for the state through its evidence,'' the judge ruled.

I know this is old and a late response - but Tony Morrison and James Crawford's adventure with Christy Brzonkala. That one ended up getting parts of the Violence Against Women Act invalidated after she sued them, after the University gave them a pass for having sex with her together while she was passed out drunk.

Tony Morrison was actually the starting QB at my high school. I was not surprised when the story came out.

Yea there were plenty of arrests and kids kicked off the team for team rules under Beamer.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Meh, players do stupid things and it is not always indicative of coaching problems. Overall, I have felt the program has been pretty clean since Fuente took over. Portal attrition is definitely a thing, but I think it is a thing the staff has embraced as well. Lets see of we get any details on this one before calling on the lynch mob.

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If we're not running a clean program and still getting outrecruited by programs like North Texas, Charlotte, and Toledo... we deserve the death penalty.

FU is certainly crushing it in the leadership department /S

Because you're around the team meetings and practice and have first hand knowledge and all....

Doesn't it get tiring being so negative all the time??? Are you really that miserable?

Cheer up man, have a coke.

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Of every transfer, every early departure, every whatever it was to cause a guy not to finish his career at VT since Fuente took over, this one will hurt the worst if that's how it plays out. Players who don't get playing time immediatelyโ€”especially highly touted onesโ€” are likely to transfer. Devon didn't transfer. He didn't transfer year 1 when he was only playing special teams. He didn't transfer year 2 when he redshirted. He didn't transfer year 3 when he sat behind Floyd. It was finally his time, and he was making the most of it from what we've heard. Not only that but him playing well would have gone a long way for recruiting in the 757 IMO. I really hope this can get resolved.

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No point in posting them, but seems that this came as a surprise to the team based on several Tweets.

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They do not seem happy.

Players being unhappy within VT football seems to be an annual tradition lately.

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are they unhappy with the football team or what happened to Hunter that is "student conduct" related?

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Objectively the only tweet that possibly suggests someone is "not happy" is Chatman's (and even that one isn't clear). The others I would qualify as surprised.

I'm sure some will say it's splitting hairs or whatever, but I believe it paints a critically significant difference when characterizing the reaction of other players.

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Which makes me think it's not a football choice to suspended him.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I would think, were this some legal issue (lets say he got in a fight), the team would know this was coming -- too small of a community for news to not travel quickly.

If it were a school related issue (VT Honor Code violation for example) this would likely not get out as quickly.

I'm not trying to speculate on what he did, but I'm generally in agreement.

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Was it at Tech where the school suspended people for not wearing a mask? Maybe it was something like that, which would be another reason the other players are surprised/upset.

I have no sauces, just speculating, it could have been a covid party. Those do happen.

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I don't have any insight as to what was going on. I didn't hold as high an opinion of Hunter (as should have been evident in my commentary of his play when given the opportunity to replace a struggling Reggie Floyd), so I had pondered aloud in my columns if there could be a scenario where Walker or Peoples (now hurt) plays free and Deablo moves to rover/OR Conner moves to rover and Tisdale plays more of a linebacker at whip type of role.

Unfortunately, Peoples was hurt. Talk about Walker has been seemingly non-existant. The same can be said for Tisdale. This is where the closed-door to the program hurts so much. Teams that are transparent can also build enthusiasm for the next man up. Instead, here we are speculating because we have no clue how this can be addressed, and Hunter was already a big question mark (at least in my eyes.)

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I agree with all of this, but the reports out of camp were that Hunter had a breakthrough (finally), which is very possible. Some players develop at different rates. There was actually a lot of positive, legitimate excitement about him for the first time since the offseason before his freshman year. Since then it had been lots of "he's still learning," and "we think he will come good," but this time it had finally changed to the light came on.

Honestly I feel like we were fed the same line about "the light going on" for Hunter way back in 2018. He was splitting time on the field for a few games and finally after the disastrous ODU game there was a tacit admission of "so maybe the light hasn't come on yet so he's going to redshirt."

Admittedly I haven't kept up with the reports out of camp as much as usual but I feel like most of the buzz around Devon was he's in position to start more than "he's dominating camp and is going to be the 5* game changer we've been waiting for." Fans have always been eager to embrace and perpetuate any excitement around Devon because of his ranking and perceived ceiling though.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Also, FWIW, Devon Hunter does not currently show up in any Montgomery County (Christiansburg or Blacksburg) General District Court cases.

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This makes me think it's a school related issue as opposed to a football team related issue.

I agree.

Ouch

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Of course we'll get no answers from Fuente along with a ton of speculation and likely some unwanted media attention. Combine that with some mixed feelings from the players and we have another situation where Fuente appears to be way in over his head (that may not actually be the case, but optics have rarely been good with this Fuente led program).

Is coronavirus over yet?

So let's just assume the worst, amiright?

"suspended indefinitely for not upholding conduct standards"... no assumptions made. Pretty clear to me that this is not minor.

That part is reported.

The assumptions are all the other stuff. For example, blaming Fuente, VT administration, or anyone else.

Unreal. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this point.

"Get out in front of it" certainly does not appear to be in the playbook.

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Pretty sure that's called false start and is a 5 yard penalty...We're usually pretty good at that play.

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Time to break out the Oreos, I guess.

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This is very disappointing. At this point, since we have no idea what happened, we should probably just say how certain we are of what this says about the program as a whole.

Yea let's just write it off as a loss and move on. See you all in 2021.

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This appears to be a student conduct issue and not football related. For those of you calling for Fuente's head, I believe this is outside of the football program and not in his control.

If Hunter gets Reavis'd I swear

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

this could have been something as simple/dumb as not following or flaunting the social distancing guidance from the university.

That's the first thing I thought, Covid related non sense.

Easy now............

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Yeah I though I saw an article that said that 40 students at VT have already been suspended for now following COVID guidelines. I'm guessing that could be the case here if he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well then he misses a half against NC State, and all is well.

If the university decides to suspend someone for COVID guideline violations there's absolutely nothing the football program can do about it.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Correct, and if it's a standard Covid violation, he will be back in 2 weeks.

Not COVID-19 related

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Student conduct problems are absolutely within his control/Accountability

I dont get the down-votes here. As a former and current (grad) student this is absolutely correct.

Fuente can control whether a football player commits a student conduct violation? That seems like a stretch. Seems like you'd need a combination of omniscience to know it was going to happen and omnipresence to be able to be there to stop it.

Edit: the school really should hold a student athlete accountable for violations. If someone is accused of cheating, should Fuente suspend them until it's verified? Seems like no due process. If they are found guilty of something like cheating, they're punished. I guess you could say Fuente could deliver harsher punishment, but this comment about accountability seems to imply the football coach should investigate and punish student conduct issues for football players. Since there's a student conduct board, that doesn't seem right.

I read DC's post differently - i took "his" as the student's responsibility, not Fuente's. If I read that wrong, well then I guess I can see why the down votes. I would not agree that they are within his control/accountability, but this could just be semantics... If we used something like "managerial responsibility" then I would agree that this is a Fuente/coaching staff thing. They are responsible for their team behavior, but being held accountable is an individual role.

The OP said student conduct issues are not in Fuente's control. DC responded that they are in "his" control. Since the OP referenced Fuente, I assumed DC's pronoun also referenced Fuente.

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I read it as "he" is Devon Hunter (not Fu).

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I'm torn. While I agree, he is the coach of the team...the mentor for these young men. He is the reason they are in Blacksburg...he is the head coach and had to authorize the scholarship. He is the reason they are suiting up in maroon and orange. And while they are young adults, and there is a level of responsibility they have to have while in Blacksburg, if you are bringing in kids that aren't ready for the big time or that level of commitment, then you have problems. Either he's just accepting of whomever will accept his scholarship offers (I don't read the recruiting threads...) or he's targeting the wrong sort of person to wear our colors. So, either he's not a good recruiter and has to just deal, or he's recruiting bad apples.

Let me maybe put it another way, and maybe I'll be happily wrong in the long run. Frank still has guys that played for him calling him every week. That check in with him. That look up to Frank as COACH and a second father. I don't see that happening with Fuente. Maybe I'm wrong. And if I am I couldn't be happier about it. Josh Jackson came in, the son of a football coach. You know he was looked at by many many people as good stock...good head on his shoulders...good student of the game. And he left to follow a potential life-long mentor...to Murland!!! This game is about more than filling that trophy case. And this is the part where I feel like we're falling short all the way around. Maybe just me. Maybe just a spidey sense. Maybe I'm just getting old and yelling at clouds. Maybe 2020 is wearing me down. Maybe there's more smoke than we truly see. Maybe there's a pile of tiny things that have creating a big thing. Who knows. But at this point, I'm in support of him while on the field, but in support of Whit looking and having a flag out the window during this crazy ride.

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Josh Jackson went to Maryland because he didn't want to face competition for the starting job. He expected to be told the job is his simply because he was previously the starter when he got hurt.

Josh Jackson left VT and could have chosen any school...and he chose Murland.

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I support Jackson and he was a good guy, but that's just not true, it's not like he could have gone to any other D1 P5 school and played, sure he could have gone there and never seen the field but he went somewhere he thought he could play.

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As mentioned above, Jackson is the son of a coach and seems to have a solid family and support system. Some kids need different things and I don't think Jackson was ever looking for a coach to be a lifelong mentor. You can say he left that behind at VT but he lost the starting job at Maryland and opted out of this season as well. So I don't know, I think there were serious underlying issues in the program in 2018 but it's hard to know if those are persisting or if we're essentially seeing typical attrition at this point. It'd certainly be nice to have actual games and be able to better answer some of the questions surrounding Fuente based on what transpires on the field rather than every issue fueling rampant speculation and turning into an indictment of the head coach and program.

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I don't see that happening with Fuente. Maybe I'm wrong

You are very wrong. A kid Fuente recruited at Illinois state called him up to be on his podcast a couple years ago (that podcast was shared on tkp). When I went to see Fuente at the Hokie Club meet up in Atlanta, a couple of former VT players (one of the guys from Sons of Saturday included) went up and gave him a big hug. By all accounts, him and Tre (for example) have a great relationship. I don't pretend to know the thoughts of every kid who played for him, but he seems to a have a few kids at each stop who loved him, which I imagine is representative of a larger trend.

Also, not to talk poorly about Frank, but I think you're perception is skewed. He only knew the names of half the kids on the team. Ask anyone who saw multiple practices to estimate how many 'pals' were on a team, or how many kids just got called by their number instead of their name for their entire careers. So yea, he was great for some people, but he wasn't everyone's stand in father.

This game is about more than filling that trophy case. And this is the part where I feel like we're falling short all the way around. Maybe just me. Maybe just a spidey sense. Maybe I'm just getting old and yelling at clouds. Maybe 2020 is wearing me down. Maybe there's more smoke than we truly see. Maybe there's a pile of tiny things that have creating a big thing.

I think part of this is just the microscope that college football coaches are under now compared to a decade ago, combined with the fact that we aren't winning to the level we all thought we would be at this point.

I also think that there are a bunch of tiny things. And it's tough to tell if they are one big thing, or just a bunch of tiny things.

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Like I said, maybe I'm wrong...
But you can't say that I'm very wrong, then say he has "few kids" at each stop...just sayin.

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Every time I've seen a player post about Fu, they have raved about him. Where are you getting that he doesn't have what Beamer had in kids calling him up? Do you know if he still talks with players he's coached that have moved on?? Obviously former coaches he's coached with still repsect him, i.e. Teerlink.

So I really think your comment of "Fuente isn't a lifelong mentor type" (paraphrasing) is really just a shot in the dark by you. You have no way to know what former players do still talk with him and who don't. There is nothing out there saying that they don't like him or aren't in contact with him. So I would I assume that yes...yes you are wrong.

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Sam Rogers, Wyatt Teller, Isiah Ford, Sam Denmark, Dalton Keene, Billy Ray Mitchel, Tim Settle, Stroman as former players all have talked openly about Fuente. Add in Stroman and Hollifield have been under Fuente and their younger brothers also committed to play. Then count the number of former players on staff.

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This is the craziest off-season, in-season we have ever had!

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It's crazy, yes. But the off season attrition from 2 years ago was pretty bad as well.

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Man, I don't know. Fuente was one of his biggest cheerleaders.

Every Virginia Tech stakeholder wanted him to succeed. Crap Monday morning news, indeed.

Throwing the blame on the coach in this circumstance is off target by a mile. Nothing to do with Fuente opinion, but every college program has student conduct policies that are enforced above and beyond the coaches. 2020 is certainly the blame anyone standing around year.

Reading the wording, this is clearly something the university told the football program had to be done based on whatever the allegedly actions were By Hunter. My guess is the coaches fought back, but this was a fight that couldn't be won for now.

Let's hope it is something that blows over somehow

I want to be really clear, I am not blaming Fuente. However, I am surprised Hunter would get caught up in something based on how glowingly Fuente has spoken about him in the past.

Sorry if I came across in any other way than agreeing with you Joe. My post was intended as a General statement versus other posts that want to blame coaches for student conduct issues (especially considering what don't know the specifics of the alleged actions)

I agree it is surprising - especially considering the opportunity in front of him this year. Hopefully, it works itself out.

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All we need now is for the locker room to split to really have the wheels off the bus, so far it looks to be that the players are not happy with this announcement.

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Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but it's more and more difficult to get excited about Tech football. I think Fuente and his lack of information about the program in general has something to do with it. COVID certainly didn't help. Neither does news like this. For a while now, it seems like the only news for VT is bad news.

Hopefully it's a Grayson Allen kinda "indefinitely"

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There was also an article out this morning that mentioned Tech suspending 40 students for conduct violations regarding COVID. Doesn't fit with what we've heard about the kind of hard-worker and team-first guy Devon is, but the timing checks out. Would also fit the locker room's reaction of this being a bullshit suspension.

Do you have the source or link to this?

Not COVID related according to non-paywall thread on 247, just FYI.

After Farley basically accused us of not taking the virus seriously in an article on his way out the door and us having to postpone next week's game, it would not be a good look to have one of our own players suspended for COVID conduct.

With that said....

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I'm not blaming Farley, but his justification was just on the how the program was putting safety measures in place wasn't it? There's a huge part of responsibility placed on the staff member and athletes to be smart and not get themselves exposed outside of practice, and its likely someone (or more) wasn't doing their part.

It's also odd the things that Fuente chooses to address with the media - unless this was a scheduled press conference. We're gonna call a presser about Hunter, but not about Baylor?

A.) I don't think the press conference is about Hunter anyway, just a coincidence

B.) Why on earth would a press conference about not taking another school's job make more sense than a press conference about one of your own actual in-program players getting suspended?

One of those things seems much, much bigger than the other...right? An unannounced, public flirtation with another school that came out of the blue? That didn't merit Fuente addressing it outside of an awkward staged Twitter photo? But this does?

He's not addressing it, this is all irrelevant

you're missing the point of why coaches hold press conferences and you're looking at it like a fan who demands answers

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I hear you. But if that's the case, then I don't think it's unfair to ask for answers, from this particular coach, regarding the amount of non-football related noise that is a constant presence around his program.

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One of these things is something that is actually, tangibly, directly related to the state of the football program and his duties as a coach of said program, and it ain't "almost taking another job but not actually taking it."

It was the regular in-season Monday scheduled presser. Timing with the Hunter situation was a coincidence.

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i think there are a lot of their songs that apply to things right now....

I don't know what to say. Stupid young guy stuff? But isn't he a junior this year?

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Some more.

I really hope this doesn't turn into a CJ Reavis situation, but these tweets are really giving me those vibes.

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You're reading your own thoughts into the shock and disbelief.

To be fair, I see a lot of that in this thread.

Student code of conduct, player thinks it's unbelievable, suspended indefinitely, etc. etc. etc. Hope I'm wrong, though.

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Yep this is definitely school/ policy related.

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People won't like that but if it's university related it might be for the best.

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Is it basketball season yet?

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This is probably the most we'll get officially

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does anyone know if there is precedent for a VT FB player to be reinstated and play after indefinite suspension?

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Adonis Alexander and House Gaines were both reinstated after indefinite suspension in 2016.

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I forget: were those student conduct code related or team?

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They were arrested for a felony.

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Which I believe was knocked down to a misdemeanor and that was eased the suspension

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Believe so as well. But that was the reason for the immediate removal/suspension

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Yep this is outside Fuente's control.

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LOL

so it's more likely that he didn't call a press conference to talk about this like you assumed he did

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I don't get the joke, this is extremely standard stuff right?

Yeah it's so standard it even says it in the release 'Virginia Tech cannot comment on student conduct issues'

(add if applicable) /s

What's funny? Based on follow up questions this wasn't a coaches decision. Most things related to individual players Tech takes the stance is not publicly releasable.

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If indeed school related, we can hope that there is evidence that exonerates him and he can get reinstated.....on an unrelated note, is Vegas taking odds on hog air races?

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I'm not really sure how things could get worse at this point.

I'm getting to the point where all I can say is the VT Football Program is broken as a whole. From the top down.

Yes, there were bad things under Beamer and not having social media at that time made them much easier to brush under the rug, but Social Media is here now and its definitely not going away. How you do things matters.

Suspending players from your team with no level of transparency whatsoever is a terrible look. Having players on Twitter obviously upset and blindsided by it is a terrible look.

Of course this ia going to hurt Recruiting...Crap, if I had a son with talent to play P5 football and coaches were in my living room saying..."look if you go to VT, you can be on the team Tuesday and on the sidewalk Weds....we won't do that to you." I'd honestly have to think twice about sending my kid to VT and I'm an Alumnus and a Fan!!

The media missteps just in 3 past three seasons are just incredible. It's gotten so bad that we all essentially expect them at this point.

I don't pretend to know exactly what the solution is here, but Babcock, Sands, BOV, and Fuente need to get into a room (socially diatanced of course) and figure out #1 if they are truly committed to running a top-level FB Program and if so, #2 how to solve some of the glaring problems at VT right now.

Step #1 in my opinion would be bringing in a PR/Marketing group to teach us how to handle things a whole hell of alot better than they are currently and try and rebuild an image.

They aren't gonna be cheap either because, like it or not, the current outside perception of VT Football is a ship lost out at Sea without a rudder, a broken mast, and no Captain. I'd love to say this is total B.S., but we seem to be doing everything possible to make this perception a reality.

/rant over

I'm not really sure how things could get worse at this point.

Someone hasn't learned much from 2020

I needed that laugh.

Yeah I'm just going to go ahead and bookmark this so that we have our scapegoat when things do, in fact, continue to get worse in 2020

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dont provoke 2020 any more - she has made her point,

We should even skip turning clocks back an hour this Fall. 2020 doesn't need any additional opportunity.

Step #1 in my opinion would be bringing in a PR/Marketing group to teach us how to handle things a whole hell of alot better than they are currently and try and rebuild an image.

The outcome of that exercise will just be a new athletic logo /s

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Agreed. This isn't necessarily a Fu issue. This is a top-down institutional issue at VT. I can't really say much about this specific situation because we don't know, and if something truly bad did happen (which I honestly doubt at the moment), then discipline must happen. But student conduct is a broken system at VT, and players/recruits are taking notice. VT is not a fun place to be if you're a top D1 athlete. Between the excessive conduct rulings, a complete lack of flexibility on getting transfers successfully admitted (the Iowa CB transfer as the latest example) or even having to not consider recruits because of a random academic requirement, to difficulties in eligibility waivers, etc. VT does not have the institutional systems in place to function as a top P5 football program, and I honestly don't know if the leadership even wants to at this point. There is literally nothing exciting about the VT brand right now, and if I have offers from many different top programs, it's easy to see why we are not a destination to consider for many.

But student conduct is a broken system at VT, and players/recruits are taking notice. VT is not a fun place to be if you're a top D1 athlete.

Look, if a recruit doesn't want to come here because the student-conduct office takes things more seriously than in 1999 - I'm not sure I necessarily want that guy. Yes, there needs to be some reforms, but I feel like this is taking things too far.

Regardless of truly how big of an issue it is, it's becoming the perception, and if you don't think recruits talk to each other or this isn't being used against VT by others, I don't know what to tell you.

I sense that folks are making a lot of assessments here on no information.

I agree, not enough information here to make a verdict on how draconian the school administration may or may not be.

That said, look no further than UNC if you want to know if the "cheaters never win" adage holds up or not.

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Why is the system broken at VT? Because football players get kicked off the team?

Not just athletes but the general student population as well. A very one-sided process in most instances, presumption of guilt unless you can prove your innocence, usually excessive punishments and sometimes establishing sanctions involving other departments or university resources that have no idea why it's being sent to them/how to handle it.

There are likely institutional reasons why the conduct system at VT has become merciless, but you know what they say about good intentions.

Well school rules are not the same thing as a US court of law. There are school conduct rules that aren't laws per se in Virginia, thus the whole court system logic is not a 1-1 match. I see what you are saying, you think it's harsh and unfair. That's fine. I was just wondering if you had some objective data, etc.

Suspending players from your team with no level of transparency whatsoever is a terrible look. Having players on Twitter obviously upset and blindsided by it is a terrible look.

Just to fill in a bit of context, there's a federal law called FERPA that VT takes very seriously. Student conduct records are part of their academic record, and FERPA prevents anyone from accessing your records without legitimate purpose (for example, I am allowed to access a potential graduate student's academic transcripts because 1. they have provided them and 2. I am on the admissions committee for my department's grad program so it is part of my job to look at this information).

Just because fans want to know does not entitle them to actually know, or compel the university to disclose what's going on. If they start doing that, VT is going to go down in a hail of federal lawsuits.

Suspending players from your team with no level of transparency whatsoever is a terrible look

West Virginia suspended 11 players for "violation of team rules" this week. Suspensions happens frequently across college football and the statement stated Hunter's suspension was a student conduct issue. No coach in the country publicly violates student privacy on these matters but VT fans are hyper sensitized to any perceived negative media attention right now.

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I think some others have alluded to this, but are you suggesting that Tech shouldn't kick players off the team when they violate student conduct policies because it's bad for recruiting? Criticism of those policies aside (and I'm sure there are probably valid criticisms), if Hunter broke the rules, he should not get a pass because he's a football player. If recruits look at this situation and expect different treatment because they play football, there is a problem with the sport in general, not with Virginia Tech. Universities taking it easy on athletes in academic or disciplinary matters wrong.

So, even if this does affect recruiting, which you're probably right about, I'm not sure that I would want it to change for those reasons.

People hate the VT system because they think Johnny student controls said athletes future at the school- which is not true. Yes, it's a student committee, but only an administrator can approve dismissal from the school. The biggest critique is that it is "student run"- which it should be, IMO.

Saying they need PR specialists presupposes that they have money for that. If they had money for that, I'd rather them spend it on recruiting staff.

I don't know who's to blame or if anyone is to blame....all I know is that it's not very fun to be a fan of VT football nowadays and that sucks.

I relate to this so much. VT was a lot of fun when I was a student in the couple of years after I graduated but it has been less and less fun as the years have gone by. That makes me very very sad.

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EDIT: Nvm, timeline was off.

Rumors are it's a student conduct issue

Is it really a rumor if the official statement says exactly that?

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Rumors

It literally says that it's a student conduct issue in the statement.

#Sauces

I have also heard he's suspended indefinitely.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I have heard through the grapevine that Devon Hunter was involved.

All I know is that VT football cannot comment any further until the matter is resolved.

OK, I'll accept that I wasn't all that helpful. But I don't expect him to play this year.

A friend told me that Devon Hunter is a player on the football team.

Your friend's intel is out of date.

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Needs to wait until the overnight batch cycles to run. Nobody promised live data with this release.

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Not to pile on but i have marinades that the Loluva game has been postponed.

wet sauce or dry rub?

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I feel like there is way too much speculation and blame going around without any sense of information in here. Yes, I understand that Fuente has suspended a lot of players, but this doesn't appear to be one of those situations. Yes, student-conduct has kicked out a lot of players (some more deserving than others), but we shouldn't dismiss this without any facts. I know it sucks, and this feels like the beginning of another year of disappointment - but let's at least give the process a chance to work out.

We live in a world where uninformed hot takes actually get plaudits. No reason to think those who give them plaudits wouldn't make them as well.

Firstly, Oh-boy...man no matter what you thought of Devon Hunter..it's a stinger. I just hope whatever the situation is, this can hopefully be rectified and he can re-join the team.

Because we don't have insight into the suspension and we are working on assumptions/speculation, let's give Devon the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sure the coaches will find a way to get the best 11 defenders out there....just that I hope Devon is part of that.

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at this point I'd just be happy to see 11 scholarship guys take the field on both sides of the ball.

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Not sure if there are multiple Devon Hunter's in Blacksburg area, but there is a police record of a Devon Hunter in Montgomery County Jail, was picked up yesterday in the afternoon.

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Seems to jive with something I saw elsewhere....

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Yup.

Is there a link for this?

Not sure your source, but there is no "Devon Hunter" in the Montgomery County (Blacksburg or Christiansburg, which is split up for some reason) court system:

https://eapps.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/nameSearch.do

Also, from our very own HokiESQ:

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Christiansburg and Blacksburg used to have their own separate GD Courts a while back, but I believe they have since merged. All in Christiansburg now.

Thanks for that info.

Someone should tell the website team :)

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I don't think anybody has updated the state courts webpage in a decade or more, literally.

Also they still have both since Blacksburg probably still has active records.

must be some mistake, that says "christionsburg" /s

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I've used Vinelink to find inmates/witnesses for work. The spelling error is a data input error by whatever clerk filled it, but the website is a pretty legitimate way to find incarcerated persons.

I had never heard of the site but it's clearly meant to be a legitimate resource, all the other information checks out, and it has a booking photo so... yeah.

Unfortunate but it does explain things.

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Yeah, thats where i found the information.

From what I could tell, it seems to be a website for victims and even has a sex offender section. I think the intent is for victims to be able to confirm whether someone was incarcerated or in jail to give them some piece of mind.

This seems to jive with some others who have noted that there was a girl involved.

Not sure we will ever find out the truth, for example, not sure anyone knows what really happened with Reavis.

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Apparently things are coming out much easier than I've seen in the past. So may actually hear what happened.

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Removed..no reason to speculate on something not even confirmed

Returning starters were going to be a strength of this team, and now six of them have left since the conclusion of the 2019 season.

Devon Hunter was not a returning starter.

i bet soon jpcvt will pull the image of the Coach Beau tweet about JHam and Tapp and #TX2VT and "do i have to sell anything here" and try to connect that to this situation somehow...

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Why, is there a major defensive player leaning towards VT that is going to commit elsewhere today?

Maybe I can find a way to link it all together...

My fault. Five returning starters, and one projected starter.

Haze, Farley, Keene?

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dalton keene got drafted in the third round, all fuente's fault! lost the freaking locker room!!!!

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On a regular basis, this board ties itself in knots to avoid placing an ounce of responsibility on Fuente for any of the issues with the football program. I think we are just bound to agree to disagree.

He deserves credit for Keene getting drafted. He deserves derision for running off Hazelton, and being something like 3rd in the nation in outgoing portal transfers. Both can be true.

Still waiting for the names of the 5 returning starters.

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Farley, Keene, McClease, Garbutt, Hazelton. All had eligibility to return. One was drafted.

is garbutt gone gone? or did he opt out this year for obvious reasons and plans to be back next?

(edit, this is a legitimate question)

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Fuente said he's taking care of a family issue and remains on scholarship. Link

So 4. One of whom Mclease has already had 5 years eligibility used, one has stepped away from football and one was drafted. So a single player truly lost to the portal. So not even close to the "six" you first said.

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he didn't say anything about the portal and despite the gymnastics to rationalize them all, it's a lot closer to six than it is one.

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Keene got drafted in the 3rd round, which should help with recruiting (especially if he might not have gotten drafted or drafted lower this year). Good for him, good for us. Garbutt had a family issue, are we holding Fuente accountable for that? He's still on scholarship, and may return to the team.

Farley would still be with us if it wasn't for COVID. How many other teams have lost at least one starter from opting out this year, especially one that looks like he'd be drafted? Fuente has said he'd like guidance regarding COVID issues, and isn't fielding a team because of positive cases, quarantining, contact tracing, etc, so seems like he's acting in good faith for our team and other teams.

Hazleton - French has talked about him being a receiving threat, but also not putting in the effort blocking. McClease? We picked up 3 other RBs - I gotta hope at least one of them can replace if not exceed McClease's numbers, and sounded like Blackshear by himself might have been able to do it.

So basically, of 22 returning starters, it sounded like 5 are out, that's 17 left, that's still pretty damn good. If you are wanting to pin blame on Fuente for something, you have to exclude Garbutt, McClease looks like we have 3 guys to potentially replace him, and possibly (probably?) do better, Keene got drafted (like I said, good for him, and even though we may miss production, seems like it should pay dividends in recruiting, so hard to fault Fuente for that one). So what, fault Fuente for Farley and Hazleton?

yet you lumped them all together when you made the comment above, not me.

I'm not one of the ones around here who is perpetually giving fuente a pass, but i also don't have an axe to grind where every news item becomes evidence of an abject failure of a leader. there's a spectrum in between, and i'm a lot closer to the middle of it than you seem to be

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Haz transferred because he wasn't enough opportunities to drop wide open balls. That's a me-first thing. Don't blame him for transferring, but that's not Fu's fault.

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this seems like a huge amount of comments and a tiny amount of information

Lots of deeply held opinions, though.

that's just par for the course in 2020

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Has the team put out a depth chart yet?

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Surprised it took this long but (edit: took this long to use this gif)

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Why surprised?

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think he's referring to the posting of that particular gif

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Oh, okay. I may have completely misinterpreted that.

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Why do I feel there is just nothing to get excited about anymore. As soon as we have some promise, a good QB, and experience returning, it all goes to pot.

Do we actually have DE and CB depth this year? Was it anything to get excited about anyway? I don't think this is the end of the season, but we can't afford to keep losing players, especially with the depth issues we have gotten used to lately.

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Every time I look up, seems like it's more negative news..

You may want to keep your eyes down for the next few months. /s

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Please, stop looking up.

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I beat you by 12 seconds lol

welp

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It's obvious that Fuente is the one to blame here. s/

Quite a few posts aging like milk up there.

I would also have accepted "Aged like a fine egg"

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Whelp.

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per Bitter, offense date is listed as Sept 5

Under VA law, "family member" also includes live-in and former live-in girlfriends/boyfriends, as well as anybody with whom you've had a child.

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It sucks, and this type of action is uncalled for, but man, I hate seeing these kids get caught up in situations like this. Actions have consequences, but man, to think he was finally getting the chance to lead by example and start on the defense, only for it to vanish into thin air is a heartbreaking circumstance. Prayers for him and his family in hopes that he learns from this and grows, whether that be on or off the field.

Edit: Not an excuse for the situation, but man this sounds flaky at best, that's if I'm to believe Devon's account of the story

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Sounds like he should have just stayed in the house...

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Way to choke the life out of this thread...

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Based on the Roanoke Times story, can we take a minute to shut the fuck up about the student conduct council and Fuente? He's charged with strangling another to cause wound (a Class 6 Felony) and assault.

Yeah if this is accurate (which looks like it is), Hunter is done at VT. There isn't bringing someone back after a charge like this.

I don't know, that might hurt recruiting. Someone might use this against us.

Big time sarcasm - just so we're clear.

Yep, "held without bond" on a felony and "returns to football team" usually don't go well together.

Yeah, let's shut up about the old assertions and opinions based on old assumptions and replace them with new assertions and opinions based on new assumptions...

But UNC won't kick you off the team for strangulation. Think about the negative recruiting! /s

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I mean, perhaps that person was trying to spread COVID to cause a Blacksburg epidemic. Maybe Devon saw it and pounced on it to save the whole community. He might be the hero here...

Yeah... doesn't look good. Hopefully all parties are okay and this will resolve with a good ending.

This is obviously not Justin Fuente's fault, but this is all getting so exhausting. I'm becoming more and more numb to every new piece of awful news.

He's innocent until he's proven guilty

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What are you even trying to say with this? Yes, there is a presumption of innocence that he has - but does that mean he shouldn't be suspended while the legal system plays out? Should Virginia Tech end their policy on indefinite suspensions for felonies because he is presumed innocent?

Call me crazy, but I am a little disturbed by how quickly some people went to the "what if she's lying" or "its he said, she said" or even "she was hitting him first" as if there are no consequences even for reciprocal domestic abuse.

All he said was he's innocent until proven guilty.... like everybody in this country... nothing else that you mentioned. He could be found guilty but IMO I think you read into that way too much.

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Yes I think that if he is released awaiting trial he should be allowed to continue his life until the legal system finds him guilty of the crimes he is accused of committing. There's no reason Tech should punish him based on an accusation alone

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Yikes. The automatic suspension is only for felony offenses and it is supposed to take more than a random accusation to be arrested and charged with a felony. Can't even imagine how bad it would look for VT to have athletes continue playing only to be convicted a few months later.

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Yeah I think if there is enough evidence to bring charges, there is enough evidence to be suspended from school. It comes with a risk of being unfair to an innocent person arrested on bad evidence, but I see no other way to treat it.

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So it's better to punish potentially innocent people?

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I don't know if I'd call it "punishment" but the criminal justice system puts restrictions on people accused of crimes everyday. These range from incarceration (in the case where bail is not granted) to travel restrictions or restraining orders.

VT isn't the criminal justice system though, they're a public service you pay for.

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Right. If you are accused of flashing someone and arrested on a Metro platform, it's reasonable to ban you from the Metro until the case plays out. Same concept here.

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Doesn't matter. Playing football and attending VT is a privilege, not a right. It's no different than other organizations suspending or putting members/employees on leave while they investigate allegations of impropriety or misconduct.

Yes I believe it is better to suspend a person from playing football pending the outcome of legal proceedings when sufficient evidence has been found to bring about felony charges. Football is a privilege rather than a fundamental right or need.

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He has been proven of doing anything to warrant removing that privilege

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Do you think David Eisenhauer should have been allowed to run cross country until he was found guilty by a court of law? If not, then why?

You have a blanket policy to remove any potential for preferential treatment or emotions clouding the situation, to limit the risk of lawsuits against the school, and to avoid potential PR nightmares.

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Was he not in jail? Was he still a student? If those are both yes, then yes

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What the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't think VT has the right to take action against someone accused and charged with first-degree murder, then I can't help you.

By this logic Jerry Sandusky would also have been allowed to continue to run his foundation and have access to young boys after being indicted on however many child molestation charges he had against him.

Suspending him is the correct move. The school/team can reinstate him if he is found innocent.

I'm just going to jump into this sub-thread right here and say it's time we move on. VT has policies and rules related to student conduct and legal matters. Things are being done in accordance with those policies. TKP is not the place to litigate whether any of us agrees or disagrees with it, and it's not the space for yet another tangent on people's views on the legal system.

Taking this further off topic... this situation perfectly exemplifies why TKP 3.0 should give mods the ability to freeze subthreads

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If you get arrested on a felony charge, especially in an At Will state, do you think you'll keep your job?

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Police booked Hunter, 22, into the Montgomery County Jail on Sunday afternoon, where he's being held without bond until his initial court appearance.

Well he's not released awaiting trial - meaning the county doesn't believe him to be in a position where they can guarantee he won't do anything before his initial court appearance. I say this knowing 1) they may be overcharging him, 2) he may not be guilty, and 3) the criminal justice system, particular regards to who does and does not get out on bail, isn't always fair.

Again, I understand all these things, and recognize what it means... but if these really were spurious accusations, then maybe he would have released already. But I think there is something fundamentally wrong with the idea that there should be no consequence while something is being investigated, if the accused crime is serious enough.

Bond is primarily based on whether or not he's a danger to himself or others, or a flight risk. I would guess the fact he's not been granted bond yet is because his attorney hasn't requested a bond hearing from the Court. Even then it takes time to get it docketed and COVID isn't making that any easier.

Per the Code (19.2-120) there's a rebuttable presumption against bond in cases of domestic strangulation. Regardless of the testimony that supports the charge, the fact that he didn't receive bond isn't a surprise and it's highly unlikely he would be granted a bond at his arraignment (though it does happen).

Does that mean he's likely to stay in jail until his trial? Another question for the lawyers in the crowd - considering the event in question was on the 5th and wasn't arrested until the 13th - is the discrepancy likely due to investigation and determining that the charges held enough water to arrest him? Or would there have been another reason for the delay? Even if they plea it down, what's the likelihood that it gets knocked down enough to not get jail time?

Y'all I'm in no way condoning these alleged actions or keeping a player who has committed this kind of thing but strangulation in Virginia consists of a wide range of actions. You'd be surprised at what does and does not consist of "strangulation." It's also often overcharged. I would not be surprised if the charges are dismissed at some point but again that still doesn't mean he'll be allowed back on the team.

Reasonable doubt standard is high, higher than the team standards are. Who knows how it'll shake out but if I had to guess I would say he's done as a player.

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I think the only way he comes out okay from this is if someone else started a fight with him and he was defending himself, and even then, it would have to have been someone big enough that a plea of defending himself seems legit. Given that and the no bond, I'm guessing he's done.

Not good when you pair this with as many as 30 players in protocol

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In general or are you suggesting there's a relationship between the two?

No relation, just not good that we're losing a presumed starter when we're already short handed and underprepared currently as is

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Gotcha and yeah, just seems like a steady stream of not optimal Tech football news going on the last couple of years. (I know there are plenty of bright spots in there, but overall it hasn't been wonderful.)

If the adage no news is good news then the presence of any news is bad for us. Could it be a by-product of the closed door policy in the football program? Perhaps. Without football results to point to, anything out of the ordinary is going to look bad.

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yikes. Sounds like drama. Hope there are wtinesses.

Even with witnesses, the arguments against him are: he could have just left if she was hitting him and doing other stuff to him; that he should know that being as big as he is, putting hands on someone who is presumably smaller than him he has a high likelihood of injuring, and it's not like he shoved her away, he strangled her; and putting your hands around someone's neck isn't a good way to calm someone down (see just leave).

Uh...

Why on earth did he say a word to the police? I guess this is another bad decision to add to his tally.

The protocol:

say nothing.

get lawyer.

Repeat early and often.

Can confirm.

Best advice is to say 'respectfully I would like to remain silent and speak to a lawyer' then, you know, remain silent.

Knowing about the practical aspects of how this often goes down, will also accept throwing your head back and screaming 'LAWYERLAWYERLAWYER' until you pass out from exhaustion. Or intoxication, whichever occurs first.

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Can confirm this is the route to take. Talking will only hurt. Always. Always always always.

It never hurts to have a professional by your side to intervene and tell you "don't answer that" when you are not fully aware of the legality of the question or the consequences of an incorrectly formulated response.

This seems relevant:

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Never talk to the police

"Kicked me in the groaning". Hmm? If I got kicked in the groin, I'd be groaning.

Life is good.

So I saw somewhere he can't get bail till his initial hearing. That's not till November 19, though, correct? So he's just gonna sit in Montgomery County jail for two months?

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I think they meant his arraignment but I could be wrong. His arraignment was this afternoon.

EDIT: Apparently I was wrong. According to Andy, Devon is still in Montgomery County jail as of this evening.

My understanding is he had an advisement hearing today (which apparently is the same as an arraignment), at which he was appointed counsel.

He is still in jail, though I'd imagine now that he has a lawyer, they will push for a bond hearing.

I spoke to his lawyer briefly, and he's just been given the case and had not yet been sent any documents. So it might just be that this whole process takes some time.

Thanks for providing the update here, Andy. Appreciate your work and bringing information to us from not Twitter as well.

I do love it when this man shows up. Much love Bitter, my first go to source on nonsense like this is the Bitter Twitter, thanks.

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Virginia is a little weird with this respect. "Arraignment" technically is where you announce your plea after being read your charges. In practice (depending on the venue court) this is typically done right before trial. Somewhere along the line, people (clerks and frequent flyers of the justice system I suspect) started calling "Attorney Advisement Hearings" an "Arraignment."

He can request a bond hearing since he was denied bond by the magistrate. It'll be up to what is available on the court's calendar. I personally would expect him to be afforded the opportunity to make bond here.

So where is Jimmy Turk?

Hunter was appointed Counsel...?

Have to imagine an experienced Defense Attorney who has represented a number of other VT players would grant him a better chance of a good outcome than a Public Defender...

Can't get Jimmy Turk if you can't afford Jimmy Turk.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Man all I think of when I think of Jimmy Turk now....

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And since most court appointed lawyers in VA are loluva grads who couldn't get a real job, this looks like its going south in a hurry

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This is a bad take (and inaccurate) if it's not sarcasm.

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Making general, negative, blanket statements about Public Defenders isn't a great look.

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I don't think anything I said was really negative.

Instead, I think I noted that a well-known and highly thought-of local Defense Attorney with experience with VT Athletes would be more likely to lead to a quick resolution.

Maybe it is vastly different currently in Western VA, but in most parts of the country, Public Defenders are very underpaid, have limited (also underpaid) support staff, and heavy caseloads. In this part of Florida, the turnover rate for PD's is about 20% per year. Under those circumstances, even talented and devoted Attorneys are going to have difficulty thriving and being successful.

Regarding Turk, in particular, I don't know how he operates, but I doubt many College Athletes or their families have the funds to come out-of-pocket for Legal Fees. My assumption (possibly totally incorrect) was given the number of VT athletes he has represented, he possibly worked out some sort of deferred payment arrangement.

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I really feel bad because if it comes out down the road she was lying he's the only one that gets screwed over, not saying that she is lying, I personally just feel that the penalty against people that lie about stuff like this should involve jail time. I hope for hunters sake that's what happened but we will find out sooner than later hopefully

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Even if she was lying, according to his statement, she was hitting him and kicked him in the groin and, the wording is a little confusing, but sounds like she pepper sprayed him. He should have just left when the hitting started, and definitely after getting kicked in the groin, but to stick around to get pepper sprayed? It sounds like she probably wasn't lying, he just got angry from all that and choked her. He shoulda just left.

Wow, you gleaned all of that from what little has been put out there publicly?

I gleaned all of that from his account to the police that was posted on here.

Cool how you can read between the lines of his account, but not realize everything available to the public includes his account to the police.

Not sure why the sarcasm. The only thing we know of what "she" said is that she accused him of strangling and assault. Then I rehashed what Hunter said happened in his statement to the police (that's posted in tweets in this thread, so I didn't feel the need to re-post it).. From that (especially the kicking in the groin and pepper spraying), I don't think it's much of a stretch to imagine that he probably put hands on her (whoever she is), and that's the only thing even close to "reading between the lines" which I consider to be more of a logical assumption. And not sure how I don't realize his account to the police is public since it was posted by others on here. So really have no clue what you're talking about.

Other players on the team saw the incident, which may explain the players' reaction to the news on Twitter.

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The best case we can hope for is there were several witnesses so the truth can come out either for Devon or for the other party.

Lawyered away how soon? Because obviously it's good if he is found innocent one day, but if he can't play or get an education while this is going on, it's hurting his future.

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There is a big backlog in the Virginia court system right now due to the COVID19 shutdown. Because it's a felony, he's due for a preliminary hearing I would normally say within a month or two but who knows. It's all up to availability with the Montgomery County JDR Court.

I'm curious to your opinion and that of other lawyers. The whole "this should be lawyered away thing surprises me. Unless he was trying to leave the scene (going off his statement) and (whoever "she" is) was following him, hitting him, kicking him in the groin, etc. I don't know how this would be an easy thing to go away. And if there were other football players who were witnesses, and "she" lied, doesn't seem like he would have been arrested in the first place, especially since the event happened on the 5th and they just arrested him yesterday, so sounds like there was probably investigation? Also, feel like I've seen precedence where big, muscular guys are basically supposed to know they're more capable of hurting someone (am I wrong about that?), so putting his hands around someone's neck is a bad, very bad, idea. Kind of like if some 12 year old was kicking me and throwing stuff at me and I grabbed him around the neck, I'd expect to spend a decent amount of time in jail even if I WAS provoked.

I've tried and won a many Assault and Battery on a Family Member and three Felony Strangulation cases and I would say most hinge on a few facts that will cut one way or another. I even prosecuted them ( in another life) and they're not the easiest to win for the Commonwealth. To prove strangulation there must be evidence regarding restriction of blood or air. This is almost always done by victim testimony. Without that, it's a loser (not to say there aren't other offenses that can be proven). A victim could even be held up off the ground by the neck but that does not in itself mean it fits the charge of strangulation, legally.

Also, because victim testimony is huge for these types of cases, there are many variables that go into what happened, who saw what, how severe things were, and whether there are any defenses (ie self defense) that can be raised and litigated. Often victims choose not to testify or will Plead the Fifth for one reason or another.

So much goes into these cases that it's nearly impossible to know what will happen other than there are a lot of variables and it's not necessarily that cut and dry.

[Also, I'd like to point out that I'm not justifying any sort of behavior nor saying that this kind of behavior is what happened here. It's just want can happen with these types of charges. This is purely general info and not legal advice]

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Came here to say this. My wife is a frequent defense attorney in Lynchburg area JDR courts and this is what I hear from her as well.

I'd be shocked if he was found guilty, for the reasons you've said. I doubt he plays another down for VT though.

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Thanks! I appreciate the insight! From my work, I'm much more familiar with things like contract law and even used to work at a law firm that did antitrust cases, but am much less familiar with criminal law and charges beyond knowing the technical definitions of things like assault and battery. These nuances help. Even if there is a plea deal, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm also curious if there's anything we can infer from it happening on the 5th but him not being arrested until now.

Also appreciate the other responses - thanks guys!

So you would advise that when we strangle our loved ones, we don't restrict air flow?

Unless you have consent.

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If you're not restricting air flow, then you're basically just restricting blood flow, per definition of strangulation. So that leads me to ask: do the courts recognize the Vulcan neck pinch?

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I can't speak specifically to this case, but often it's in the best interests of everyone to reach a plea agreement and "lawyer it away" and avoid people having to testify. Trials can be scary and can go sideways even when you think everything will be fine.

As to the backlog- I don't know what Montgomery County is like, but they'll probably be able to get his preliminary hearing heard, and if they can work the case they can enter in a plea deal. If Hunter's in jail the courts/attorneys are going to be more motivated to get his case through the courts. As of right now, there are only four jurisdictions that are allowed to have jury trials, and the courts where I practice are discouraging hearing lengthy bench trials where the defendant is at liberty because they want to keep people out of the courtroom for as long as possible. It's not a great situation. I have a fair number of clients whose cases are in limbo at the moment and I can't really tell them when we'll try their case.

I'm pretty sure he'll get a bond hearing soon though and the prelim won't be rushed.

I hear you on the cases being in limbo. My landlord clients are livid. I have some civil cases pending since March when they were originally set for trial.

My civil cases are being set for jury trials for October 2021 in some circuits. My clients are mad as hell but there's nothing I can do, and there's no pressure on the other side to make an offer right now. I've been able to try some of the smaller civil cases and get those done.

Meanwhile I have at the moment two pending criminal jury trials. One is out on bond, so he really doesn't care when it's heard. I have another in custody and due to circumstances was denied bond and I have no idea when we'll hear his case.

So what happens if he spends more time locked than his sentence is?

Not saying this will be the case, more of a general question.

It's a shame. There's really no recourse. It happens sometimes.

That is a shame. That would be horrible. Spend a year in jail to have the judge tell you 6 months served was your punishment.

I have to imagine the judge isn't going to say his punishment is less than the time he has already been in jail. I would assume the judge would just say your punishment is your time served so you are done.

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Short answer- his sentence will be for time served, and will be for however long he was in jail. That's actually better than serving more time than the sentence, because you'll get credit for those days served removed from a suspended sentence.

It's uncommon but not rare for a defendant who either doesn't get a bond or can't make bail on a felony charge to have a sentencing recommendation that's for less time than the defendant spent in jail pre-trial. (For example, I had a client who had some non-violent felony charges who normally would have gotten a bond but was on the run in another state for years before being found. Bond wasn't happening.) Usually we try and get the cases like that on the docket as soon as possible so they can be resolved and the defendant can get released. Judges aren't bound by sentencing guidelines in VA but they tend to stay within the recommendations.

Montgomery County legal system is a joke. We got robbed on New Years. We figured out who did it with the Christiansburg police when the perpetrator started pawning stuff. By Feb he was arrested, he STILL has not been put in front of the grand jury. BTW, the perpetrators family recovered our belongings after searching his apartment, storage unit, and vehicle. Despite the police knowing who it was and two drug arrests (from the vehicle with our stuff in it) they never searched any of those places. The grand jury is scheduled for sometime in October.

Courts were closed for two months. Never mind the fact that legal proceedings take a lot of time, especially felonies.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Despite the police knowing who it was and two drug arrests (from the vehicle with our stuff in it)

Ummmm....

I'm no lawyer but I'd take the fif

I never searched anything. His own family found our belongings and returned them to us after the arrest. We did notify the police that the other items had been recovered by the guys family.

It still sucks that you lost your drugs

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Our stuff was NOT drugs. Unfortunately family heirlooms were stolen to pay for drugs by the criminal and some are gone for good. He was arrested twice for drug possession while they were getting the arrest warrant for the theft. Both times they searched his vehicle for additional drugs and didn't even log the stolen items that were in the vehicle.

psst, I think it's a joke.

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probably, but also probably in poor taste. clearly it's a situation that sucks to go through, and i can't imagine it feels nice to have a stranger on the internet poke fun at it

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Eh, I wouldn't say that was in poor taste considering he didn't get in trouble for anything drug related. Probably just didnt realize it was a joke.

I was definitely intended to be a joke. My apologies if it only poured salt in the wound rather then gave a chuckle.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Yeah, it could have been. But it is still as sensitive subject somewhat for the wife and I.

Montgomery Police bout to figure out who is still alive from the VT class of '44

The judicial system does not care about what is going on outside the court room, only the evidence, and the backlog inside it. I had a traffic violation in December, but didn't even get a court date until April the following year while in college. I can only guess, but he may lose this season.

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I did not know about this traffic violation

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I would like to know why in hell he and OTHER PLAYERS were out wherever this took place!! WHY was he there? Why were the other players there, ( If, as reports say, they were) and out away from their dorms or apartments? Don't give me this BS "We wanted to play UVa. bad!!" when you're not doing what you need to do to make that happen!!

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Unless something has changed for covid not all players stay on campus very easily could have been at his apartment

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his testimony said "I was at my friend's house"

Doesn't seem like he was out at a party or anything though.

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I've hung out in friends backyards and the like during covid so I think people need to not look to far into they whole "why wasn't he at home" piece.

He can social distance at his friend's house. We do not know that he was violating the protocols put in place by Fuente and Co. If his testimony is true, then she was definitely not social distancing. I don't know what happened, but it seems to me that social distancing is the least concerning thing about this situation.

From a previous interview, I got the impression that Fuente was hesitant to take the players' freedom away and be overly strict and instead put the responsibility on the players and the team. I think Fuente in all likelihood has been trying to strike a balance in that regard, which if true, is something I appreciate. There were the articles a couple weeks ago about certain players taking a leadership role in making sure the team was doing what they needed to when it came to that. Deablo was one of those players.

We need an upvote, downvote and cringe option for threads like this. Ouch.

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On a lighter note, per Bitter's tweet,

In the warrant for Hunter's arrest on the felony charge, he is accused of impeding "line blood circulation or respiration" of a woman without consent "by knowingly, intentionally, and unlawfully applying pressure to the neck of such person resulting in wounding or bodily injury."

...it's good to know the law takes erotic asphyxiation into account.

If one were into such things.

If you play it, they will win.

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I thought the same exact thing.....

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Just FYI- that's the standard language in the VA code for strangulation. You have to show the alleged victim was unable to breathe for a brief period of time.

Is that typically determined by a medical examination? That seems difficult to prove otherwise, unless there were eye-witness accounts.

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Aside from impeding blood circulation or respiration charging strangulation also require some form of injury, which can range from severe and obvious (ligature makes or bruising around the neck) to the victim simply stating their neck is sore, it hurts to swallow, or a raspy voice. If the charge is based purely on the victims testimony without actual physical indicia of an injury I would think it would be much harder to get a conviction.

This is kind of wrong, but just had to do it

After careful consideration with my wife and family, we have decided that should I be offered a position in the VT Football backfield, I will regretfully and respectfully decline.

Thank you.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Imagine not even asking us to respect your decision.

all I can think about is a certain Wayne Brady gif. Appealed to better judgement and didn't post.

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Is Devon Hunter gonna ha....

Nevermind

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So if he's found not guilty, does he come back next year w/this year not counting towards eligibility?

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Depends on whether the school sanctions him and/or how bad a taste this leaves in his mouth.

The suspension is automatic if you are charged with a felony, so I would hope that he does not have a bad taste in his mouth about the school/team.

Sounds like a lot of drama here and a lot of he said she said, so we should see how it all plays out. However, does not look good.

If he is acquitted/charges dropped the school could still take additional actions. There also could be circumstances where he may not feel supported by the program or university.

but that's not guaranteed to happen... as mentioned above, some players who were indefinitely suspended were then also reinstated and played. (Adonis, Gaines were mentioned, and Shai McKenzie is another one)

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Right, just was adding to it

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I'm sure if the courts acquit him, the student conduct council (or whatever it's called) will step in and administer justice.

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I'm sure if the courts acquit him, the student conduct council (or whatever it's called) will step in and administer justice.

you spelled punishment wrong

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In the eyes of the clown and pony show known as the VT Student Council, the harsher the penalty the more justice being served. Vast majority of members likely go on to continue their actions while running Homeowners Associations later in life.

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I laughed out loud to the HOA analogy. One of the many things I Thank God for on a regular basis is that I do not belong to an HOA.

I didn't think the /s was necessary for my post, but yes, that was the idea.

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Yes after his felony court trial, how dare the student council on conduct weigh in. lol

If the felony charge sticks, he is done playing for VT. If it gets reduced to a misdemeanor, he is -probably- done playing at VT.

Could also take months to get it all situation regardless of outcomes....which likely means done playing for VT.

perhaps not since this year doesn't count eligibility-wise

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if the charges are dropped completely because he can produce evidence proving that all the accused interactions were consensual and in fact initiated by the woman in question...the student council will still have him expelled. Crap, sorry, I forgot we weren't talking about CJ Reavis.

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The student council can RECOMMEND he be dismissed. They don't decide that ultimately. An administrator does- a high ranking one.

can we แด˜สŸs not go down this rabbit hole for the umpteenth time

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yes

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Regardless of whether Reavis' criminal charges were BS, I seem to remember he still violated VT code of conduct. The blanket hatred toward honor court and student conduct council is ridiculous.

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A public university shouldn't have a code of conduct

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Man you certainly have takes.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Why not?

That is like saying a subdivision shouldn't have an HOA just because some of them have stupid rules. Nevermind the fact that an HOA is required to maintain things like roads, parks, trails, and other public spaces.

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An neighborhood HOA is a private institution

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But there are things that are absolutely legal that fall under a university code of conduct. Like cheating, academic standing, etc. Do you not see any nuance in any of this?

The system wasn't designed to make people fail. I understand shit is flawed at times, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of it.

I may be incorrect but are not most HOA's corporations in their organization which would make them public institutions?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

By public I meant government/owned by the state, not what you're referring to as in a public/privately owned business

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LOL. HOAs are the dumbest organizations on the planet. Specifically for their asinine rules. You're doing a disservice to the student council by comparing the two.

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Some may be dumb but most you don't even realize are there. Regardless they are absolutely essential. Otherwise, those public areas within the housing development will not be maintained.

Now, the ones that tell you what mailbox you will have and the color you can paint your front door, they are terrible. You have to do your research before buying into a place like that.

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I am glad there are people that enjoy living in HOAs. By all means have yet another organization overseeing your life. I'll take the unkempt public areas without having to worry about some Karen trying to fine me if my grass is cut the wrong direction.

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My HOA provides 4 pools, a gym, indoor and outdoor tennis courts, basketball courts, "meeting" room, fireworks for the 4th, bring in a carnival twice a year, they pave the roads to my house, snow removal, trash twice a week, recycling pick up once a week. And I am sure a lot of other things I don't know about.

Karen can complain, but unless something is egregious, nothing will happen because the employees have to much other stuff to do.

When I lived there, theBlacksburg town ordinances were more restrictive than my HOA

Glad you enjoy all of those HOA amenities. The few things in that list that I need, I enjoy without paying extra money to an organization telling me what my yard and house need to look like. I'll continue to pass on the HOA.

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Not all HOAs care about those things, I hope you know that. And for most that do, they really only step in when actions of one homeowner is starting to negatively impact the property value of the surrounding homes.

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Not the experience I've had in my two interactions with HOAs. The first time was living in a home not a part of the HOA but still being affected by their bullshit.

Ironically, I have an asshole neighbor who complains about my length of grass in my front yard in the summer. I let it get overgrown a few times a summer and I do not give two flying f*cks about it. Right now there's a small deer living in my yard (in the middle of Richmond) that surely appreciates it and frankly I enjoy actually helping out nature by letting the grass grow for a few weeks straight. She mentioned something yesterday how the grass length wouldn't fly in a place with an HOA. I laughed, looked her in the face and said "I do not care."

Again, y'all like rules about having houses look the same and the grass cut and the amenities that come with it, great! I think it's crazy, it's not for me and will never, ever live in a home that has one.

Back to the topic on hand, if you wanted to compare the Student Council to an HOA, I think you're more correct to compare the Inter Fraternity Council at VT to an HOA than the Student Council.

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And in Christiansburg town limits, the Town would mow your yard and charge you for it. But, only after it gets to a specific height, and you don't mow it after they notify you in a timely manner.

But yeah, Not a fan of 90% of HOA's.

Towns don't enforce HOA covenants. That's on them.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Yes but some local zoning ordinances are crazy strict regardless of HOA covenants. Most HOAs are just maintenance directors for neighborhood common spaces, private roads, and sometimes utilities. A modern subdivision essentially requires an HOA if for nothing else to maintain the stormwater treatment facilities. Nicer ones are also in charge of pools and recreation. Like anything else, some are better ran than others.

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One of the ones in the town where I work (writing and enforcing local zoning ordinances, among other things) has an architectural review board, different lot coverage requirements from the town, stuff stating pool equipment must be screened and they call me asking me not to approve houses that don't meet their rules....I tried not to laugh before I hung up

The subdivision that I lived in most recently in VA before moving down here had a "no accessory structures" (sheds) rule. One guy got around primarily on a motorized wheelchair, but was mobile enough he didn't need it within his house...so he had a small shed put in his backyard (where no one else could see it), somehow the HOA big man (lol) caught wind of it, they sued him to have it removed. So he sold his house.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

The subdivision that I lived in most recently in VA before moving down here had a "no accessory structures" (sheds) rule. One guy got around primarily on a motorized wheelchair, but was mobile enough he didn't need it within his house...so he had a small shed put in his backyard (where no one else could see it), somehow the HOA big man (lol) caught wind of it, they sued him to have it removed. So he sold his house.

This is the type of nonsense that makes me want to live in Russia instead of a subdivision with an HOA

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Going out on a limb here, but I think Hokieflyguy may not be the biggest fan of HOAs. But I dunno, I'm an engineer and sometimes struggle with nuance.

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I don't know, I think he may be warming up to the idea. In all seriousness, since I started this off topic subthread, I will defend the purpose of an HOA but definitely not some of the stupid rules they can come up with. I was originally comparing a school's code of conduct as necessary, but also not defending every code within it. I tend to agree though that I would rather not be governed by an HOA either (I do not where I live), but if you are into suburban subdivision life, it is a necessity. Just do some research before buying.

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A public university isn't public in the sense that anyone can use it; you have to prove that you are worthy of being admitted, and once admitted, you must continue to meet that standard. This explanation is literally the first thing on VT website for the code of conduct:

When a student accepts admission to Virginia Tech as an undergraduate, graduate, or professional student, they also accept membership in the university community and responsibility for upholding its shared values and expectations. The Student Code of Conduct outlines policies established by the university that set standards for students' behavior, along with procedures for adjudicating and sanctioning violations of these standards.

I think one could make the argument that a university (or employer, or other institution/organization) should not concern themselves with the actions or whereabouts of an individual outside of that person's 'working hours.' To be honest, I would agree with that statement most of the time, with two exceptions:

  1. When the individual in question is expected to be a (somewhat public-facing) representative of said institution
  2. When the individual in question has done something that creates safety concern for others at the institution

IMO Hunter's actions can fall into either of those two buckets.

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when I read the word "consensual" I imagined his defense being:

"It's not my fault she forgot the safe word!"

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I don't know about the student council and all that...my take on it is he is Done with VT Football..no other way to say it...

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I just wanted to point out that the Student Code of Conduct was revised this year so some things may have changed. I have not read the whole thing but I did ask my student son to read it so I am sure he got right on that.
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Seeing all the ways this threads gonna go downhill fast

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That was fast!

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That gif is "seconds" old. I'm impressed.

Well done.

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I need to finish the first season, don't i

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yes, yes you do

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I need to re-watch the first season....I should check and see if the Mrs would have an interest in it.

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This off season

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pretty much 2 off seasons in a row to be honest

I think last year was a little bit worse with the SI article.

idk its pretty close

The SI article was only last year?! That seems like FOREVER ago!

Shit, it was only 6 months ago that Fuente was going to Baylor!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It has been a rough go as of late. At this point don't think this is a Beamer vs. Fuente or anyone thing. It is just a big bag of poop we have been wading through for a few seasons. It's not doom and gloom, but a lantern that lasts more that a week would be great for everyone.

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This off season year

FTFY

Every time I see a boat load of new comments in this thread, I open it, crossing my fingers to see a post that the charges have been dropped.

You all are disappointing me.

edit: curious as to why the gif I replied to VTacajoe's response below was removed, any mod care to help me understand so I don't do it again? The gif was DeNiro pointing his finger in a "you sly dog, you" type manner.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

the charges have been dropped...in his lawyer's lap!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Probably because DeNiro sucks. You can post Pacino gif's all day though.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

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Yep, that's the one that got yanked

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I know we are all wondering...what would Bobby Bowden do?! ๐Ÿคฃ

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Or Brian Boitano?!

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he'd probably kick an ass or two.

Just FYI - Looks like Hunter bonded out today for those of you who were wondering.

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Don't think you copied the right link...

We put the K in Kwality

Corrected it, Thanks

Could've been hilarious :)

We put the K in Kwality

Hunting fish, makes perfect sense.

Can anyone elaborate on what waiving your preliminary hearing might mean? That's literally all the article says, this could've been done in a Tweet...

Hi, your neighborhood criminal defense attorney here. I can answer this, but only generally because I don't know all the details.

When you're charged and arrested on a felony offense, your hearing in the General District Court isn't to find you guilty or not guilty, but to determine probable cause. This is called a preliminary hearing. If probable cause is established, the case is certified up to Circuit Court. At this hearing, you can either require the Commonwealth to put on evidence to establish probable cause, or you can waive your right to a hearing and stipulate that probable cause exists.

As for why waive the hearing? There are a few reasons:

-There's a plea agreement in place, but the plea needs to take place in Circuit Court;
-You're trying to negotiate, and you've been told by the prosecutor that the deal will be worse if the alleged victim has to testify;
-You're sunk, and rather than go down swinging you're going to try and argue hard for acceptance of guilt in Circuit Court.

My guess is the answer is A). The interesting thing there is that, if that's indeed the case, they want it in Circuit for a reason. If they're not reducing the felonies, it would have to be in Circuit. It could also be that they want the case upstairs for procedural/logistical reasons. As I said, that's just a guess based on reading tea leaves.

We're going to need your services around here more often!

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I do appreciate the explanation, but let us hope we don't need his services.

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Thanks Rocco!

Am I the only one who read this like how they explain stuff in "The Big Short"??

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Another possibility, and a strategy I've employed a few times:

If the "victim" is likely not to testify and rather than have the case not certified at the preliminary hearing and then subsequently direct indicted by the Commonwealth, (thus causing the client to post a 2nd bond), streamlining the case by waiving the preliminary hearing and moving straight to trial may be a strategy. This happens in some jurisdictions where prosecutors feel they have to move forward regardless of the victim's wishes, which unfortunately is the case in some areas.

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