OT: The Single Winging Glies County Spartans are on the move

Giles has got approved by the VHSL to move down too 1A and join the Mountain Empire District from 2A and the Three Rivers District. The mountain empire looks like this now.
Auburn
Bland
Fort Chiswell
Galax
Giles
Grayson County
George Wythe
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I see Bland on the list, do they still have a football team? Last i heard they were seriously considering doing away with football

Umm good question

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They didn't have enough kids come out to field a team last year, but will try again this season. They had a Middle School squad last year with decent numbers, so there is a sliver of hope for the future.

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I played for Narrows High against Giles back in the late '60's. At the time, we were the ones running the single wing.

Yep I've heard about that

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I played on the first Giles team to beat Narrows. Way to long ago now.

That's where Steve Ragsdale learned the single wing I believe. His dad was the coach at Narrows and ran it before Giles had such phenomenal success with it

According to what my father and grandfather have told me, you are correct.

As a Giles native its sad to see we had to drop down a division after decades of competing for district, regional, and then state championships (at one point in double A and then dropping to single A) and still competing and often beating teams like Powell Valley, Blacksburg, George wythe etc...just sad to see the program fall so far so fast after winning two state championships in the last 15 years. This would almost be like tech joining the MAC or conference USA. I wish them the best of course but that's a tough pill to swallow after 40 years of consistently winning the district, winning in the playoffs, and competing in many state championship gamesβ˜ΉοΈπŸ™πŸ˜•πŸ˜ŸπŸ˜”

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It's not just Giles. Pulaski has dropped, Salem isnt the same, the 757 schools also arent in the same classification. Not only are student populations dropping at certain schools, but kids arent playing football at the same rate they once were

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I am not convinced the current Tech team and coaching staff could compete in the MAC or Conference USA so...

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Would they be in the same division for state titles as Riverheads now?

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I think so

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Is Narrows also single A? That rivalry always fascinated me.

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Yes

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They are part of the Pioneer District with.
Bath County
Covington
Craig County
Eastern Montgomery
Highland
Parry McCluer

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As a Floyd County High School grad it hurts me to see the Three Rivers Blown up like this. There were some fierce rivalries with us against Giles, Radford, Glenvar, and Auburn. Sorry easy mont, yall just couldn't hang.

I remember one giles game against east mont and it was 2-0 giles at halftime and giles ended up winning 46-0πŸ˜‚

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VHSL won't leave things alone long enough to establish district rivalries anymore. They are worse than the NCAA. The old New River District existed for years, never been the same around here since they broke that up. Back then every school didn't have to be exactly the same size you just competed, now it's not "fair" if a school has 100 more students than another.

My dad played for Floyd in the old new river district, that was the equivalent of an SEC schedule back then.

In a relative sense that was true. Especially into 70's, Radford dominated winning at least two state championships. They were well coached and talented. Pulaski and Dublin were usually up there with George Wythe and Galax up and down. Giles had some good teams in the 72 to 75 time frame but the coach those first two years left the program decimated. They won on some good talent, not by numbers on the roster. Giles hit its stride after Ragsdale with no experience took over in the late 70's. Probably every school had what would amount to a P-5 player or close from time to time but they often didn't seem to get many looks IMO. As much as Bill Brill hated Tech, I think he hated SW Virginia also (obligatory get one in on him).

Teams then: Blacksburg, Carroll County (Hillsville), Christiansburg, Dublin, Floyd, Galax, Giles, Narrows, Pulaski, Radford, and Wytheville (George Wythe)

"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. " Rocky B.

Brill definitely had a burr under his saddle about VT. When I lived in Giles, I called him on it numerous times in the Roanoke Times letters, and one day, he called me up on the phone. You know, the old fashioned kind on the wall. He invited me to join him for lunch, his treat, at a local brew house there in Roanoke. How could I refuse? Met him at the paper and we walked to lunch. Both ordered beers, I had two. Interesting conversation, though it turned into more of a here's who I am from him. His dislike of VT had less to do with his Duke-ism, and more to do with his early experiences with a certain head coach at VT and that coach's alcohol fueled diatribes and lies (Brill speaking here). Sour taste in his mouth that he was never able to expel. Brill wasn't as bad as folks think beyond the Tech stuff, and while I didn't like him at the end of lunch, I did respect him for stuff you won't read about from me. My final take is that he was worthy of our sports related dislike, but he wasn't a bad man, really, and not as bad a journalist as some would like to think.

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I always like your take on things. Some things here on Brill are new to me, for sure That's so cool that he respected what you said enough to talk it over at lunch, on his dime. I guess may he RIP.

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Brill also had an interest in the "culture vs agriculture" nature of the UVA/VT rivalry and expounded enough for me to believe he was genuinely interested, not looking for angles to write about. He cited other obvious examples in the college football rivalry world as well. He expressed no disdain for the University's reputation as a "cow college", nor did he elevate the notion of the 'hoos "culture". He was, though, insufferably in love with Duke and bled it through his pores. Oh well, dead and gone, but obviously not forgotten. He'd love it.

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I read it at the time, was living there and got the paper, but don't remember it. Thanks for providing that link, interesting to say the least. I do remember really having to try to be positive about the hire, but I liked him so much after he settled in that even the 2-8-1 season didn't shake my good feelings about Frank. I was at the stadium for a Fire Brill airplane banner, and screamed my approval, though.

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Being from NoVa (5a and 6a schools) I have no idea what you all are talking about. How many kids are on these teams and how big are the schools?

Where's the beef?

So to be a 1A school you have less than 500 students at the high school so that usually means the football team will have between 25-40 players

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That's for Virginia high school football anyway I don't know about other states 1A 2A 3A etc

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WV stops at 3A. Takes about 1000 kids in the school to reach triple A.

Only like 6 or so in the state (two morgantown schools, Parkersburg 2 Charleston schools ar the very least)

There are actually 29 believe it or not. Any school with above 900 students are considered 3A.

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Huh, they changed it since i was around, looks my highschool is now 3A, which is way to many students for that building.

My high school (Greenbrier East) has been AAA since it's inception. It used to be bigger. We were always at a disadvantage because instead of being one big city, we were a bunch of small towns. The big cities with the same enrollment like Parkersburg, Charleston, Huntington, and Morgantown always beat us.

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Got it. Not sure what the student enrollment limits for classifications were back in my day. We had about 2.2k enrolled 9-12 at my high school (Hayfield). We had about 60-70 kids on the varsity squad. The best programs in NoVa those years were Robinson (Mike Imoh and John Kinzner were on those teams) and Centreville (Will Montogmery and the two younger Warren Bros were on that team) Both those schools had close to 3k enrolled if I remember correctly and the football teams probably had 100+ kids dressed.

Where's the beef?

Have to do a double take whenever I see George Wythe. Didn't know there was another outside Richmond.

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Multiple George Wythes. Multiple Patrick Henrys. Multiple salems.

Multiple Heritages.

And there's a Yorktown High School in Arlington, which confused my Newport News-raised mind when I found that out.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Sad to see these smaller programs and historically strong conferences continue to fall into history as demographics change in SWVA. I'm a Powell Valley alum and enjoyed playing Giles and some of the other powerhouse teams from back in the day. The Lonesome Pine District, which has been gone for some time now, was a powerhouse for years, particularly in the 90's. In 1997, Powell Valley, Appalachia, and Gate City all won state titles, and Lee High lost in the semi finals. Several VT players came from those teams as well. I miss the good old days.

Agreed, it's sad to see how far athletics have fallen in SWVA. Fellow LPD alum here, too, from Wise. Going back to the 70's, football was terrific in the Lonesome Pine District. Appalachia with Ed Clark. Clintwood with coach Ralph Cummins was a powerhouse, long before Justin Hamilton matriculated from there. My high school, J.J. Kelly was good for stretches, and won a state championship in the early 80's. J.I. Burton (Norton) won a state championship in the 70's. The rivalries were pretty intense, too. Appalachia/Powell Valley, Wise/Norton, and Clintwood/Pound were always highly anticipated games. Fans came out in droves. I remember playing in front of several thousand fans at Kelly. Now with consolidation, things have changed drastically. Wise and Pound schools are consolidated (Central), and have about as many students as we had (maybe a little less) than when I was in school. I'm sure Union, a combination of Powell Valley and Appalachia is probably in a similar boat. It's depressing to think of how things have changed back there (and not just in football).

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Consolidation is just plain bad for the students a lot of the time. I understand it saves money and can sometimes provide students with better resources, but I can name several instances where consolidation hurt students rather than helped. Of course, there's not a whole lot anyone can do about it if an area's population is dwindling. It still just stinks.

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not familiar with glies county, where's that?

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Fun fact about giles county (not the high school the county it self) was originally gonna be where Virginia Tech was located

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I'm confused. Does this mean that VT was supposed to be on the other side of Brush Mountain? Or that Giles county was originally going to be where Montgomery county is?

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My bad there was only talk about it not anything official

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So what's going on in Giles County these days without Friday night football. Kids out drag racing in front of the school? Have seen it done (up close) late, but there was no stop light or anything else to impede the way.

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