OT: Wandavision

Living idealized suburban lives, super-powered beings Wanda and Vision begin to suspect that everything is not as it seems.

This show is really good, yet I don't think I've seen it discussed here. There have been some HUGE revelations in the last few episodes and it's gotten me pretty excited for the MCU going forward.

I would just say to mark your post with spoilers..

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I mean... The end of episode 5 made me want to do backflips.

Fun show so far. Started off super weird and I had no idea what was going on but I've enjoyed it a lot. Tons of implications for the MCU at large. Way more than I expected for this or any Disney+ Marvel show.

I was pretty turned off after the first 2 episodes (as they didn't really progress the plot any) but we kept pushing because my wife loves those older style shows (I love lucy, bewitched, etc.) Then we started piecing together little things here and there, and noticed each episode is a different decade - and the marvel tie-ins are great.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Scarlett Witch, so I don't know much about where this is going villain wise, but my curiosity is piqued.

Scarlet Witch in the comics and movies was introduced as a villian, reformed and became an Avenger. In the comics, her powers have waxed and waned, at one point she married Vision and literally made up the kids, she loses her mind and eliminates almost all mutants.

I am not sure they are setting her up to merge the universes of Avengers and Xmen with her power. Maybe there are mutants...

Only watched Ep1 so far. It was hard to get through. Too cheeky and weird. I'll give it more time, hope it gets better (sounds like it does).

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It's no Mando but definitely an entertaining show that is dramatically getting better as the season goes on. So many easter eggs and doorways into the expanded marvel universe allowed by the acquisition of Fox by the mouse...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Man. Was I wrong! Gets so much better. We're totally hooked. Complete change in story arc after Ep 2. We're caught up and can't wait for next episode

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Had a tough time convincing my wife to watch more than the first two episodes. Now that we have.....they are getting better. We're fans now. You just have to get past the first few.

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If I wasn't terrified of spoilers, I would almost suggest waiting and binging them all together. As several folks have pointed out the first few episodes are a little slow and on the shorter end.

That said, I'm very excited to see where it goes in the next 3 episodes

I started after I heard about what happened in episode 5. It's way better if you watch the first half up front all at once. The first 2 are just bizarre without further explanation.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Agree, I watched half of first episode and turned it off. Then binge watched the first 4 back to back.

It starts out a little slow, which wasn't really a problem for me since I loved the sitcom spoofs, but I can easily see how it would turn off a lot of people. But you need to stick with it. By episode 4, things start to really pick up and get interesting.

I'm also looking forward to rewatching this once its all done because I feel like there's tons of clues and easter eggs that are hidden throughout every episode.

There is a great Leo Dicaprio meme about the first 3 episodes are intriguing and episode 4 is having his attention. It hits spot on as I was complaining to my wife that it while it was done fantasticly, acting writing for the first couple of episodes, I didn't really care for the old time stuff, i'd rather just go watch dick van dyke.

But episodes 4+ I'm all in.

The moments where they break character/go off script are pretty creepy, always tense and unexpected.

Yea really unsettling at times for a Disney/marvel show

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This show went from my girlfriend trying to turn it off episode 1 to it being her favorite show of the week. The episodes are so strange and after the first 2 give you just enough each episode to question which direction its going to go next.

By far exceeded my original expectations.

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My 18-y.o. daughter told me that WandaVision will serve as the prequel for the next Dr. Strange movie (which I didn't even know was in the works). Apparently the Good Doctor will get involved in WandaVision at some point coming up.

Next Dr. Strange fully dives into the multi-verse supposedly.

It is called "Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness".

And if the rumors are true, the next Spidey movie will tie into that theme as well.

By all accounts it's going to be one of the darker themed MCU entries as well.

Wanda is on the poster for the next Dr Stange movie so there is a direct connection there.

I have enjoyed it. SusieCue and I have a date to watch every Friday.

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Same here. Gives the wife and I something to look forward to each week, it's been nice.

wow. I really loved the first few episodes. The Bewitched episode could be my favorite actually. But I guess I knew it was going to be much like this going into it and I grew up watching old reruns on NickatNight

Hahaha see I was the opposite. I held no interest until they got past that.

My memories of Nick at Nite are way different. For me I hated those shows because I always felt like I was forced to watch them growing up. Still to this day when I hear that Andy Griffith theme it makes me just want to go outside. The fake nature of the "show" they are in was the least interesting part.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

The peak of Nick at Nite was Welcome Back Kotter. Not trying to derail the thread, but that was my jam.

Hahah welcome back Cotter was only ever on now and then. I did enjoy Hogan's Heroes. Also I enjoy MASH to this day but I do not go out of my way to watch it because I think I have seen every episode 5 times over the course of the years from it just being on.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I showed my wife a couple of episodes of Barney Miller and she bought the entire series. Welcome back Kotter was another great one.

I've always associated these shows with bedtime. Lol. Nick at nite meant my lil ass was going to sleep soon.

yeah exactly. Who was forcing wasknick to watch these reruns late at night instead of sleeping? Of course he dislikes them :) hahaha

I actually always enjoyed those old shows. Leave it to Beaver, Dennis the Menace, Father Knows Best, Mr Ed, Green Acres, Beverly Hillbillies, Bewitched, Gilligan's Isle, Brady Bunch, etc

good times

Patty Duke, Dobie Gillis, Car 54, Get Smart

Forced to watch in the sense that there was the one tv and that's what was on.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I have loved every minute of these shows. The commercials, the different homages, the fan inserts via the "present day" people asking all the same questions the forums are asking, the little clues and Easter eggs, even the use of pixels in the credit sequence.

It is just really well put together. My biggest gripe is with the child actors (and it isn't much of a gripe since finding really great child actors is so rare).

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Anyone have theories on who is the main antagonist? Do people feel like Wanda is the villain or someone else? Obviously, there is high level of animosity between Wanda and Hayward (S.W.O.R.D. director) and I think he is antagonistic, but I don't think he's the main villain here. I have read some of the theories (e.g., Mephisto), but I feel like we're too far along in the season to begin introducing the villain. (I feel like Wanda's too far along in her story arc to be recast as villainous, but more likely be taken advantage of due to her sadness/stress/PTSD.)

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I think they will reveal the villain in the next episode, but it has to be Mephisto, right? If they are introducing the twins, their origin is intertwined with Mephisto. I think the popular theory is he is introduced here and then goes on to become the big bad for Phase 4.

I think Hayward is working on (or the precursor of) the Weapon X project and Vision is a big key to that development. There also seems to be animosity toward Carol Danvers by both Hayward and Monica, which I hope they address. I thought this (along with Jimmy's comment) might be a hint that there would be a Wanda vs Captain Marvel fight at the end of this season to settle the "who is the most powerful Avenger" argument.

Anyway, I can see Wanda becoming a misunderstood villain, especially if she is continually antagonized by Hayward & SWORD - but there is someone guiding this to happen.

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If it is mephisto, then is Agnes really Agatha Harkenes? Or did the fan theories go to far?

If she is then I'm pretty sure there is a Nicholas Scratch available with Netflix canceling Sabrina.

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"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

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I think it's got to be Mephisto. Agnes's comment to Wanda in episode 2 along the lines of "Devil's in the details - but that's not all he's in" when they were talking to Dottie triggered that thought for me, and that seems to be a huge fan theory.

Plus the actress who plays Dottie has teased that her character is coming back in the last few episodes so that would line up as well

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Pietro also referred to Billy and Tommy as the "Devil's Spawn" further suggesting Mephisto involvement in their arc.

And Agnes saying Dottie runs this town from episode 2 does suggest that Dottie may have more control and Agnes is well aware of her power. And it was all "for the children." So, I definitely could see a Dottie and Mephisto connection with Agnes (Agatha) helping her/them out. Agnes seems to be purposefully turning Vision against Wanda and I don't think it was an accidental wrong turn leading to Agnes getting lost at the edge of town and where she conveniently runs into Vision in Ep 6.

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Great points. I also think we're going to see some kind of backstory that lead to one of those characters helping or suggesting to Wanda that she get Vision's body from SWORD.

I know Wanda is pretty broken after Endgame, having a lost a lot, but it seems kind of out of character that she would 1) Know where Vision's body was and 2) just bust in and break him out. Feels like somebody/something would have had to prod her in that direction

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Yea. She told Pietro she didn't remember extracting Vision or building the Hex, so I would hope within the next few episodes she herself learns along with us.

On that second point, I just rewatched the end of endgame (TNT has been showing a lot of MCU movies) and interestingly, Wanda was consoling Clint and seemed to be the one OK and not experiencing excessive depression. It had been 5 years since Vision died and a little more since Pietro, whereas Nat and Stark were super recent. But, that might just have been a moment in the film and not relevant to the Wandavision story arc. I don't know, but I did find it weird going back to endgame and seeing Wanda being the consoler as opposed to the one that is nearing a depressive break.

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But Wanda got vapoed by Thanos, right? So it wasn't five years for her, it was just as recent as Nat dying was for Hawkeye.

Yea, true and good point. It would have felt more recent.

Here is the 45 second scene if anyone wants to rewatch:
https://youtu.be/Bs5nYcVhsS4

To me, she doesn't seem like on the verge of a breakdown or even depressed, but that fact may be irrelevant to the story arc.

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Not just more recent, almost immediate. She watched Thanos kill Vision (right after killing him herself), got snapped, came back and jumped through the rings and back into the fight. That will mess with your head and it is understandable to need some time to process that.

Also, regarding that Endgame scene, helping others is another way to cope with your own grief - or even hide from it, so it is not that surprising she seems put together.

I was under the impression that Wanda isn't the cause of whatever she's in right now, even though she*seems* to have control of *most* it. I'm guessing she's grieving pretty hard here and trying to figure out whatever is going on with her and this place.

Definitely see the studying of vision being used to make future weapons. Maybe sentinels. It does seem SWORD will be a maybe player in the MCU story lines moving forward.

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I am almost afraid to ask this but my memory isn't what it used to be. Why is it "S.W.O.R.D." and not "S.H.I.E.L.D."? What happened to the latter again? Or are they parallel organizations?

parallel organizations. SWORD deals (dealt?) with space stuff and hasn't been featured on screen aside from some teases in Captain Marvel (at least as far as I can remember MCU-wise).

While SHIELD was founded by Peggy Carter, SWORD was founded by Maria Rameau (Captain Marvel's best friend/Monica Rambeau's mother)

SWORD might also be featured at the end credits of Spider-Man Far From Home - which is an extension of the same tie in with Captain Marvel

I love this show. The first two episodes were very slow paced and as everyone has said but the moments where things are not just right make it feel like Twilight Zone-ish to me at points. Some parts of the show border on horror to me. And others just creep me out. For example, that "Yo-Magic" 90's era commercial they threw in the middle of last week's episode was a complete WTF?!?!?

I am hoping that episode 7 is a spinoff of The Office and Randall Park (aka Jimmy Woo aka Asian Jim) gives the camera a Jim Face. Either that or we get a John Krasinski cameo to do the Jim Face, although the odds are near 0% for that one.

Did anyone else get a laugh at the Kick-Ass reference in episode 6? Aaron Taylor Johnson (Pietro in Age of Ultron) and Evan Peters (Pietro in X-Men/WandaVision) both starred in Kick-Ass.

I got the kick ass reference!

Soon as they said it I looked at my wife and was like... That was definitely was a reference to kick ass. What's funny is that I didn't even realize that both quicksilver actors were in kick ass. I knew mcu quicksilver was kick-ass, but it never occurred to me that his friend was/is Fox Quicksilver. Lol.

The fact that Wanda did not say "You got it dude" during the 90's era episode is a travesty and ruins the entire show, imho.

Wanted the homage to her sisters?

I swear her outfit at the beginning of that episode was an exact recreation of one of the outfits her sisters wore constantly on Full House

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yep. I think Fiege said something about it would be too on the nose, but if you're going to make a super meta Kick-Ass reference, I think this works too.

Wow, episode 7 major twists and turns. Series definitely keeps getting better each week. And watch the credits...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Lol I just noticed you had a warning about the credits.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

does this mean I have to watch the 9 minutes of credits this week?

Danny is always open

Nah, you're safe once Disney+ starts telling you to watch Age of Ultron.

There is a mid credits scene this week FYI. I missed it until I heard about it. Short but fairly significant I would say.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I saw a theory that the reason this weeks episode was the first with a mid credits scene is because this episode takes place during the 2000-2010 decade, and that was when the MCU really started using the mid credits scene at the end of movies.

Well, it helps when they didn't start making movies until 2008.

Can't quite place it, but I wasn't much of a fan of this week's episode. I get that it was mostly modern family inspired, but the whole episode just felt.... Off. I can't explain it, honestly. Instantly recognized the office tribute though...

But I thought the previous 2 episodes were brilliant... This one fell flat for me. It was really interesting getting the hero origin for monica though..

I thought episode 7 was decent, but episodes 5 and 6 clearly had "higher highs." But I thought Elizabeth Olsen showed some good range with the Claire Dunphy-style acting and Vision's interviews were pretty funny.

Additional thoughts: I can't quite explain it, but even with the talking head interviews in episode 7, it didn't fully capture the feeling of Modern Family or The Office for me. Even though I had some laughs, I expected a bit more because I remember laughing a lot during the few seasons of Modern Family that I watched. Episode 6 had a better Malcolm in the Middle feeling than Episode 7 had a Modern family feeling.

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I'm a bit conflicted on the villain reveal though. I thought the Agatha All Along theme song was a banger and happy it's getting the meme treatment on Twitter, but I do feel like the reveal was too abrupt and with only two episodes left in the season, I fear that the resolution could be just as abrupt.

Love rdcworld1. Lol. This was perfect

Sidenote: I agree on the reveal being this early as suspect. I still think someone else is at play here.

the "Ralph" reveal and the "who is Pietro Maximoff really" reveal are still left. The reveals may potentially be one in the same (especially considering the mid credits scene). Is it Mephisto?

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Another reveal left: who was the original missing person that Jimmy Woo was sent to investigate?

I had kind of forgotten about it but at one point when Wanda was in the kitchen and things were jumping around through time, the milk carton had a Missing child "ad" on it but the figure was blurred out

If its not Mephisto, they sure are leaving a lot of clues for misdirections. In this latest episode, there's devilish faces all around Harkness' house

Spoilers...duh (but so is this entire thread)

Also, a lot of people are pointing out the cicada on the curtain and linking it to the fact that Mephisto first appeared as a fly in the comics.

It looks like Agatha is still the big bad of this series, but they might be introducing Mephisto. Maybe he isn't strong enough right now and Agatha is helping him regain it (kinda' like Voldemort in the early Harry Potter stories)?

dumb question but i appreciate any feedback, any chance she is really claire voyant?

I am trying to figure out since when is Agatha actually a villain?

this is a valid question. In the show, she's been positioned as the villain (it's hard to not be thought of as a villain if you kill a dog) - but having her own theme song makes it seem like she's been starring in her own show this entire time. If so, who is the audience of this show and are they in a battle that we don't know about.

That said, that would be one hell of an exposition dump to try and pull off with only 2 episodes to go.

I agree. Considering Wandavision is suppose to tie directly to Dr Strange 2, I'm beginning to the think Mephisto might actually be the big bad (or at least one of them) in that movie and this series is just laying stones to get there. There's only two episodes left so there's not a lot of time to introduce another bad guy on top of Agatha and have some kind of resolution.

I'm a bit conflicted on the villain reveal though. I thought the Agatha All Along theme song was a banger and happy it's getting the meme treatment on Twitter, but I do feel like the reveal was too abrupt and with only two episodes left in the season, I fear that the resolution could be just as abrupt

This one is fire

Yyeeaaahh, I've been listening to this one fairly frequently. Can't lie. Haha

The Vision stuff worked. Paul Bettany has been brilliant with his range covering everything from Michael Gross to Dick Van Dyke subtly through the show. But Olsen's attempt to "Julie Bowen cracking up" felt a bit disingenious?

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Elizabeth Olson in her 80s get up gave me all sorts of feels

She looked like a grown up version of the Olson Twi.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Yea. It didn't quite get the feel right. Some it was the content didn't mesh with the style. The 4th wall breaks were too common in the episode for me (seemingly more common than in the Office, Modern family, etc.) and were less about funny quips and more about story-line development.

Hoping that the last two episodes are more MCU-movie-like broken into two ~1-hr episodes. I read a suggestion that the mid-credits scene meant out of Wandavision and back into the MCU. I hope it has a solid and non-rushed conclusion, and two 30-minute episodes doesn't seem like enough, but we'll see.

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From what I've read, this season is supposed to have about 6 total hours of content. I just did some very rough math and calculated we're up to ~3.75 hours (includes credits and all) which leaves us about 2.25 hours of content remaining.

I read a suggestion that the mid-credits scene meant out of Wandavision and back into the MCU.

That theory would hold up better if it was episode 3 or 4, before they started showing scenes outside of the Wandavision broadcast.

not sure if I understand. The Wandavision episodes have been occuring for 7 episodes, but considering the Agatha reveal and the fact they ran out of decades, I wouldn't be surprised that the Wandavision series (as broadcasted by Wanda) is over and it will be more like a regular MCU movie. I could also see the next episode be an "Agatha all Along" episode though.

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The first three episodes were completely the show-within-a-show format. But then we got episode 4, which took place in the MCU world, and then the episodes since then have been split between "Wandavision" and MCU.

If they had stuck with the "Wandavision" broadcasts as full episodes, we wouldn't have seen Darcy, Jimmy Woo, or Monica Rambeau (other than her role as Geraldine) yet.

So saying that we're getting a mid-credits scene now because we're finally in the MCU is ignoring that they broke that format four episodes ago.

I read the original comment as the Hex had entered the time when the MCU movies began (Iron Man - 2008) which had end/mid-credit scenes.

But maybe it does mean that we are no longer a show within a show for the last 2 episodes.

Hmm... I guess I see what you're saying but as I understood the theory, it meant a change of theme. i.e., no longer parodying classic to modern tv and back to a more typical story line. The only reason I brought it up was the hope that the last two episodes are less like a sitcom and more like a movie. But, I could also see the next episode to be a Muensters parody.

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that sounds really cheesy.

That whole Agatha/Agnes thing came on awfully fast there at the end of that episode. For someone like me who didn't read any of the comics and only knows the MCU it is a lot to digest. Can someone recommend the best reading publication or movie to rewatch or whatever to quickly get up to speed?

Honestly, I just go to comics explained on YouTube.

He explains everything really well, and it's like like listening to a friend explain it to you. I usually drop in on his page when I need some backstory filled in.

You could probably also skim some of the old Marvel cartoons on Disney+ for anything Scarlet Witch related. IDK if they ever got into her backstory in the 90s Xmen cartoon but there was an episode of "Avengers: United they Stand" that goes into the relationship between Wanda and Agatha.

I watched some of those to get some more background information because I didn't know a ton about Wanda and Vision's stories from the comics

nerdist.com is where I go for my breakdowns.

Update: Here is nerdist.com's breakdown of Agatha released yesterday: Link.

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The MCU does a nice job keeping everything pretty well contained. They pull almost all ideas from the Comics I think, but you don't need to read them to really know what is going on. In fact I think you would find it could confuse you more.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Summary? Agatha Harkness is a witch old enough to remember the fall of Atlantis...

She has historically been a GOOD guy. Serving as the Nanny for the Fantastic Four children, and as an instructor for Wanda in the past. She was the one who discovered that Wanda's kids are fragments of Mephisto's soul and were not actually real. After all Wanda and the Vision can't have biological kids as he isn't biological.

New Rockstars on YouTube has some good episode detail breakdowns and explains the comic book side of things and their theories.

Here's episode 1 if you're interested:
https://youtu.be/NgtLRWoH6Wo

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at this point, we should probably mark the entire topic *spoilers*

So....that aerospace engineer reveal was a bunch of nothing, huh? After weeks of speculating if it was Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Blue Marvel, Hank McCoy, the Skrull kid from Captain Marvel (which could still be technically true), it was some rando SWORD officer?

There is a lot of speculation that the SWORD team Monica met up with are a Skrull division within SWORD and that agent she met was her Skrull friend from the Captain Marvel movie. I expect will be see more about that group in the future.

yeah - and maybe because she was with Jimmy, they did not want to reveal themselves.

The other part that is weird is when Monica first mentions the aerospace engineer, she says "I know an aerospace engineer who'd be up for this challenge" - but it seems like the rover they used in the latest episode was an already existing vehicle that already met the specs? I know I am reading too much into this, but that scene just felt off. It just seems lazy by MCU standards.

Edit: I re-watched the episode last night and she does say "Did we get the specs right?" - I guess they took an existing vehicle and just added more shielding.

I mean the Skrull "Science Guy" in Captain Marvel also got the quadjet ready for space like instantly.

I happened to watch Captain Marvel last night in my start of watching all of the MCU in order. Would be interesting to see if the Skrull stayed. Maria Rambeau clearly states the can't stay.

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I just started watching them in order as well and totally forgot that Capt America started in the present and not the past.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

well, it's the past now.

I am also going through them and re-watched Age of Ultron recently and it is not as bad this time around. I think it has a lot to do with knowing certain character's trajectories (especially the introduction of Wanda & Vision), but I thought Spader was good as Ultron and it also introduced Klaue.

The Banner/Romanoff romance was awkward and the extended Hawkeye family side story was too long, though.

Totally agree with Age of Ultron. The movie is much better after watching the rest of Phase 4. It really sets up Civil War, Ragnorak, and the Avengers III and IV well. Spader was great in it too.

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I don't have a great way to post this now, but the new Spiderman movie apparently has multiple titles. As a play on being a multiverse movie I guess.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Just means you have to get twelve different combo meals hoping to get all four collectible glasses with the different titles from McDonalds

This is what they said the title was like a year ago so checks out I guess. I nearly missed that we got this one this year (as of now). They really need to get Black Widow out before it's just entirely irrelevant. And they are barely hyping that at all now. When is the last time you saw any advertisement for that movie?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Are there any theaters open right now? It is a waste of money if you can't actually go out and see the movie.

Theaters have been open, they just have nothing to show so nobody goes. They put Wonder Woman in theaters but also on HBO Max, and if they give me the choice of watching a movie at home or at the theater, I will pick my house every time. Disney should just put it on Disney+ and move on, because I just don't see people flocking back to movie theaters as fast as they do anything else.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Theaters aren't open in California, but I would not be opposed to a Disney+ release. I do find the theater experience on opening weekend for an MCU movie is more enjoyable than my couch, but yea, they need to get that movie out. It's getting dated in the MCU timeline quickly.

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As I got older the theater became more a nuisance. It was fine when I was young and the nuisance. But I found myself constantly having to silently scold people for being annoying, can't make it through a 2 hour movie without peeing twice, and quite honestly when the movie gets slow I don't want to feel guilty about checking my phone. Moviepass made it better in it's prime, but that was shortlived. It is when I started seeing movies during the day more when the place was empty.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Theaters suck, unless its the Alamo drafthouse, then ill go in-person

they just have nothing to show so nobody goes.

Plus, y'know, global pandemic and people are getting used to watching new releases at home (I hope that latter part sticks!). Disney is likely just hoping numbers fall off a cliff by the time they start doing theater-only releases.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

I'm gonna pissed if this title is a meta-reference to the Spiderman movies being stuck with Sony and not apart of the larger MCU going forward

Monica Rambeau also decided to join the fun!

Also - I would not be surprised if this week's episode starts with "Previously on Agatha All the Way..."

I love the very tiny things such as this.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Little things like this are what make the MCU far superior to the DC amalgamation.

Today's episode is 43 minutes long. Can't wait to watch it tonight.

Episode 8 was pretty meh, origin story stuff. Until the credit scene reveal, that got me excited for the finale...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

I felt the same. They've been digging themselves into a very un-Marvel-like hole with the constant hint dangling and cliffhangers. I'm a much bigger fan of the Far From Home style of cliffhangers: keep the audience guessing during Acts 1 and 2, do a big reveal with backstory that shows where the villain was in key scenes (WandaVision did this decently during Agatha All Along), and then nonstop action for Act 3. Homecoming and Civil War do this well, too... pretty much any movie with Tom Holland, I guess (Infinity War and Endgame have both the combined plot and subplots that do this better than they have any right to, but that's why they're amazing films).

Episode 8 should have been the start of the nonstop action instead of pushing everything to Episode 9, which would have meant they told a lot meatier story in the first seven (which lets face it, those had way too much filler and a tiny bit of meat each).

I don't see a reason why that can't work for television, but everyone seems to be stuck on the Lost style of storytelling (which is getting real long in the tooth).

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

They are trying to fill some holes this week but in that action they had to dig even bigger ones. Next week should be fun.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

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So underwhelming after what it felt like they could be building up to. What to just plop a resolution out on the table and say here you go! Hope you like it!

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Kinda disagree, I like how they opened up so many plot lines that are rumored to tie in to the next Docotor Strange plus other potential shows and movies. I am sure 100 years from now when they finally stop making marvel stuff we will notice tons of Easter eggs and other items

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

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They have been doing that for 9 episodes, and it's been fun seeing what happens.
The show left you wondering the whole time what was going on. In the end you really have no idea what is going on. Way more questions left open then answered. Not a satisfying way to end 9 weeks of tuning in. But don't take this to mean I didn't like the show. I just think the ending is lazy. Makes me feel as if the entire show was just one big retcon to start calling her Scarlet Witch since they couldn't before.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Maybe I just have way to much faith in them, even the Meh movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, First Captain Movie, 2nd Guardians, etc were made better by the link-ins and call outs from the movies that came later. But we shall see. Show I am most excited for is Loki tbh, always like the anti-hero storylines...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

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Wandavision servers crashing last night was a pain. After trying to stream and cast for 40 minutes from my notepad and phone, finally got it going by streaming from my computer.

I thought the last episode was rushed but satisfying. The future and potential of the Vision, Wiccan, Speed, and Rambeau are interesting. Good start to the D+ Marvel miniseries.

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Great episode, wish it had a more satisfying mcu tie in though. Like someone else said, I'm sure later we'll go back and be able to point out all the easter eggs, but for now I wanted at least one more character cameo.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the two post credit scenes mean but I'm about to become an internet sleuth and find out what I can. Lol

**Spoilers**

The mid credit scene didn't seem to set much up more than what was expected for Rambeau (i.e., set up for Captain Marvel 2 with Skrulls). The post-credit scene appears to show that Wanda is a true witch (reading books, specifically the Darkhold, like Strange) and that Billy and Tommy will have future in the MCU. It seems they are setting up for a young avengers with Wiccan, Speed, Kate Bishop Hawkeye (casted in Hawkeye series on D+), America Chavez (casted with Dr. Strange 2 move), Ms. Marvel (casted on titular series on D+), Cassie Lang as Stature (she's been in all the Antman movies), and Patriot (rumored to be casted in the Falcon and WS). But, Marvel loves to drop red herrings everywhere, so maybe not.

It's also worth noting that people revealed that the cell phones of the actors that played Billy and Tommy were in London where Dr. Strange 2 is being filmed. That's super creepy to be tracking kid's cell phones in my opinion, but, that revelation (if true) does suggest that they could be remanifested in a less conditional way.

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Great tidbit! Thanks!