Win-win?

Quick thought after that awful awful awful game. I'm so glad we somehow got a win tonight. But I think it ends up being a good thing that we looked so bad but still got the W. Hokies get a winning season and they also highlighted how bad the Offense is. I think this Bowl game will help the worthy cause of offensive staff turnovers this off-season. The only bad thing is being an embarrassment on national tv, but then again I don't think many were watching that one. Thoughts?

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Fire em all

The whole offensive staff showed how good they are tonight everyone should be given walker papers less Shane

Agreed

I actually was hoping/expecting a horrible offensive performance couple with a close win going into the game. I think this definitely puts the final stamp on the "we need a complete offensive overhaul" debate in Beamer's mind. If he was hoping to not have to make a change, then I'm hoping this forces a change in mentality.

I'm hoping when Frank does his post game interviews, the first thing he says is "I'm proud of how our players played their hardest and got the win. With that being said, with the exception of Shane, I'm relieving the entire offensive staff of their duties."

What about halftime?

I was kinda hoping to hear that coming out of the tunnel for the second half.

A win is a win and I LOVE to win!

I agree that was horrible to watch. Bud Foster and his MEN showed up tonight and thank goodness they did! It is time for Change. I called 90% of the offensive plays tonight before they happened. WE are too predictable on offense to win consistently against good teams.
Congragulations Hokie Nation, we won. Let's celebrate and hire an OC in the next few weeks.

SCHokie

What does JC have to do to get the ball more?!?!

"Go Hokies!" - Thomas Jefferson
@HaydenDubya

why was holmes returning punts?

"It's worth it right? It's worth it to lay it all on the line for your brothers!"
"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster (both quotes)

Protect Kyshoen?

With how thin our secondary is, my best guess would be that they'd rather forgo the big-play opportunities on punt returns to make sure none of our freshmen corners got burned for TD's against bigger receivers if he was to get injured (FSU game, anyone?).

What if i told you...

that virginia tech can have a good defense and a good offense? Someone needs to say this to frank as morpheus.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

i love the fact we got W. I will never want us to lose but i cant see a w actually saving any jobs...it shows how the d actually won a game this year...

tyrod did it mikey! tyrod did it!

The D won more than one game

The D bailed out the O many times in the last decade. One thing that hasn't been discussed much is how the special teams have hurt VT in the last few years. Something needs to be done there too!

By the numbers....

4 rushing yards, 2 INT's, and 1 horrible showing by our offense, saved by a defense that allowed only 197 yards, forced 2 4th qtr turnovers, and made many key 3rd down stops. One ugly win, 1,000 times better than one more ugly loss. Te best part is that 2012 is over.

Virginia Tech 42, #11 Miami 24 - Da U, still not back

Why is everyone saying "except" Shane?

His RB "system" was a big or bigger joke than the rest if the O. He couldn't decide on a back. Stuck took long with Holmes. Kept taking the hot ham out and inserting cold or poor situation guys. Just because he's Frank's son doesn't give him a pass (IMO). His recruiting looks good. But that's also what we say about Stiney. We're setting a double standard.

We put the K in Kwality

I say have Shane take over Special Teams. Get a WR Coach, a RB Coach, a OL Coach, and QB/OC. Makes sense that the person who designs the plays is the play caller, and that the play caller works directly with the QB, who runs the offense on the field. Also makes sense to have only one play caller.

Twitter me

I also think the OC should be on the sideline with the players like Bud is so he can talk to all of them face to face.

I love Virginia Tech, regardless of the outcome of every game.

O'Cain and Stinespring sit up in the box so they can "read the defense and make adjustments" which sounds like a good strategy, but they haven't followed through too much.

"Go Hokies!" - Thomas Jefferson
@HaydenDubya

I think most people will agree with you that he shouldn't be the RB coach, but we also really want to keep him on the staff somewhere.

I'm also not sure if Shane was necessarily in control of what back was in at a certain time, but correct me if I'm wrong.

"Go Hokies!" - Thomas Jefferson
@HaydenDubya

No, he wasn't

The OC calls a package and that group of personnel goes in. RB coach can make suggestions about who plays/gets carries, but that's about it. It's pretty much the standard entry-level coaching position, especially for a guy who's a good recruiter but never really had a "specialty" (Shane played long snapper in college). Like many have said, I wouldn't be opposed at all to Shane taking over the special teams. Between his own playing experience, his dad and his stops around the SEC, he's probably seen enough to really know what he's doing.

Guess it all hinges

on whether Shane was the one calling for the "rotation"

gtofever

I personally loved this game. We got a big win and the offense performed absolutely terrible. If this isn't enough to get rid of Stinespring and O'cain, I don't know what is.

I love Virginia Tech, regardless of the outcome of every game.

Regarding 1 playcaller, the OC needs to be up top, and the QB coach needs to be on the sidelines to actually help the QB make adjustments. Absurd system. If O'Cain was going to be the playcaller, then they needed to hire a QB coach to work with Logan or assign a coach to him during the game. Newsome had the OL, Sherman had the WR, Beamer had the backs. Hearing something on the headset and having it diagramed are two completely different things.

Viva El Guapo

The QB coach must be a stellar teacher, calm, with longitudinal perspective. The new OL coach must be a ball busting tyrant, with attention to detail and a stickler for basic fundamentals.

Viva El Guapo

Couldn't agree more.

The U invented Swag, but UVA invented Smug.

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

I'm sad I can only award 1 turkey leg to this. That's EXACTLY what we need.

I'm damn proud of our whole team for not losing their composure. But make no mistake about it, our defense saved the day once again. Logan, buddy, whatever you do I'll cheer you on. But please give us one more season to build on the last two! ocainspring must be gone soon. THREE (3) overtime games in one season?! Totally unacceptable. looks like the sherminator is gone anyways

The U invented Swag, but UVA invented Smug.

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

You said exactly what I was thinking yesterday. There's no way O'Cainspring can be back now.

Rip his freaking head off!

I had hoped...

...for a few things regarding the game:

1) At halftime, Beamer would have fired the offensive coaches. (Did not happen)
2) Sent the offensive coaches home on the Greyhound special (Everyone else flies, also did not/will not happen)
3) The defense scored more points than the offense (Did not happen)
4) The offense allowed more points than the defense (Actually did happen)

I thought the second play touchdown was actually a safety. I thought the replays showed Logan stretching out the ball and that his knee was down prior to having the ball stripped. I concluded this was because of the CurseOfTheTrophyCase.

Since the game was UCLA/Illinois-Kraft-Fight-Hunger-Bowl-level-hilarious (also depressing), I kind of enjoyed the fact that the player of the game (Exum) had one tackle. I'm wondering if he'll be a free safety next year when our secondary contains AllTheFullers.

Given our regular level of offensive ineptitude, I was actually surprised about how poorly the offense and special teams played. Lots of mistakes, sloppy plays, and penalties with both units. I honestly think it was a reflection of the stress going on behind the scenes. It looked to me like we were not a well-coached team, but I'm left convinced the coaching staff of offense and special teams were focused on finding other jobs, not this bowl game.

We need change

My wife asked me prior to last night, "Do you want them to lose so change will occur?"

I said I never want VT to lose. But I would love to see us barely win and our offense stink in the process. I told her I wanted the defense to win the game, which is essentially what happened. Our offense stunk and I agree that this is a win-win. The entire country saw how bad our offense is and we got the win.

If there are no changes....then I can only imagine the alumni backlash.

Win-win

A win is a win and this game summed up the season complete with the downpour at the end. Good news is that its over, with a winning season and the potential for change is strong.