A Damning Indictment of Bryan Stinespring and Curt Newsome by "The Best Left Tackle In the NFL"

Thanks to ZachAttach7, earlier this evening I read a NFL analysis blog column by Sam Monson called Analysis Notebook posted on ProFootballFocus.Com

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/28/analysis-notebook-week-...

The subject of the article is former Hokie Duane Brown, who took the unlikely path from average tight end prospect with the Hokies, to what the author calls "the best left tackle in the NFL." His numbers don't lie, as he has only been responsible for one sack in his last 29 starts. The author focuses on the slow start Duane had to his NFL career, and how he has grown as a football player, and in doing so, Duane gave some poingiant quotes the not only reflect his growth as a football player, but also subtly damns the offensive line coaching at Virginia Tech. Note, Bryan Stinespring was his position coach in 2004 and 2005, and Curt Newsome handled the offensive line in 2006 and 2007.

How does a player with the natural ability to be the very best at perhaps the most difficult position in the NFL only make second team All-ACC with the Hokies? Perhaps Duane tells us himself with this quote:

“I didn’t understand exactly how important technique was until I started to play my rookie year... Also, film study plays a huge role in the success of a left tackle, or any position in this league. That was something else I had to learn my first couple of years.”

Stinespring is to be given credit for spotting Brown's raw ability, and Brown's athleticism, most notably his tremendously quick feet, gave him the ability to overcome his lack of fundamentals, but he was in the program for three years as an offensive lineman and "didn't understand how important technique was." I am appalled by that statement, yet shouldn't be shocked. Each offensive line under Curt Newsome, regardless of offensive production, has been woefully inept in basic blocking fundamentals. The 2012 is the most damning season, as those poor fundamentals have been merged with players who could not overcome those flaws with the raw ability of a Duane Brown.

Ultimately, defense gets the better athletes, especially on the defensive line. The only way that the offensive line wins battles game in and game out is through the use of superior technique and the advantage of play calling and snap count. Duane Brown tells us, without telling us, that Curt Newsome does not instill this attention to detail in offensive linemen, and the struggles each in the season and in preseason practice against Bud Foster's defense before cohesion arrives only confirms that notion. This season, even cohesion did not happen. On top of it, young talent like Mark Shuman and Laurence Gibson either failed to improve enough to get on the field, or for reasons that have nothing to do with talent or football productivity did not get a chance to beat out inferior players. I have my suspicions, but neither is excusable in my eyes.

I appreciate that Newsome has excellent connections in the Tidewater, and that several key recruits are tied to him, but the evidence is clear that the Hokies can not win the ACC without better offensive line play and Newsome can not deliver the element of dominance up front. Frank Beamer must realize that the rest of the ACC has caught up. Assuming Morris stays at Clemson, I'd rate Virginia Tech, once the dominant program, as the third strongest behind Florida State and Clemson, with UNC nipping at their heels with only probation delaying their accension. The time is now, not to scrap the identity of Virginia Tech football, but to return to it. Newsome is the first domino that must fall.

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somebody forward this to frank

"It's worth it right? It's worth it to lay it all on the line for your brothers!"

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster (both quotes)

Well damn.

I remember thinking when Houston drafted him in the first round in 2008 that they had made a huge mistake. He certainly was a good player for us, but the pick just seemed like an obvious reach based on a run on tackles prior to their pick. This explains everything.

You weren't alone. If I remember correctly, the draftnicks (Mel Kiper and Co.) called it a reach at the time because I think he was the third tackle taken in the First Round that year.

@PhillyHokie007

Obvious

This should be painfully obvious. Whether it's linemen being pushed into the backfield or a pulling lineman who doesn't even hit anyone. Our line needs a whole lot of work but we have some talent so the cupboards aren't bare. #ToddWashington #JakeGrove

Win one for the Beamer...

Really!?!?!?

“I didn’t understand exactly how important technique was until I started to play my rookie year... Also, film study plays a huge role in the success of a left tackle, or any position in this league. That was something else I had to learn my first couple of years.”

As someone who played OL in high school I understood this! Granted, it may have been because I was an 5'10, 235 OG playing against DTs 6'3+, 270+, but I truly feel these were the things that were beat in our head from day 1 of summer camp when we weren't wearing pads (stupid VHSL rules!).

If this is truly the case, Newsome's departure is 7 years too late.

Look at all the offensive talent we've put into the NFL during Stinespring's tenure! It's an absolute disgrace we haven't accomplished more on offense. It's sickening when you think about the amounts these coaches are getting paid. No other profession on the planet would tolerate this. Except politics maybe.

DON'T YOU GUYS REALIZE IT? WE NOW KNOW HOW TO FIX THE O-LINE!

Also, film study plays a huge role in the success of a left tackle, or any position in this league. That was something else I had to learn my first couple of years.

SOLUTION:
FILM STUDY!!!

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Michael Vick

I believe he said something similar about not really doing film study in college...I know he plays a different position and was there at a different time but it seems to me that this may be a chronic problem on offense.

Summary of the Hokie program since 2003: No team has done more with less on defense, and no team has done less with more on offense.

Viva El Guapo

I want to see these coaching changes made as bad as anyone else. But I kind of feel like this article isn't as damning as people are making it out to be. It's not like Duane said "Coach Newsome screwed me up bad and I wish I never played for him". He is just saying he had to focus more on technique when he got to the NFL. I am willing to bet that a lot of OL struggle with that when the transition to the pros. They probably get away with relying mostly on their pure athleticism in college. A good coach should correct that because it will make a dominant athlete that much better. And it will make him better in the NFL which is ultimately a good selling point to recruits ("I produce NFL OL that NFL teams draft because of how I develop them") But if I were to make a case in Hokie Court to get a new OL coach, this wouldn't be my smoking gun. It would just be a piece of ancillary evidence.

Since I have been serving as the defacto film guy, and 90% of my expertise is offensive line play, these statements affirm what we have seen on film in our scrutiny over the last two years: that regardless of the players that are rolled out, we see across-the-board poor basic fundamentals of offensive line play.

The players have changed, but even the most talented guys (Sergio Render is a GREAT EXAMPLE of someone who had outstanding physical gifts, but did not have a solid jab step technique for reach blocking or gap down blocking) didn't have that extra refinement. That refinement comes from meaningful repetition. Meaningful repetition would have resulted in a much more refined NFL product.

Red flags are everywhere. No jury in the world would side with Newsome at this point.

Viva El Guapo

I agree with you on all of that. I was just saying that this article, in a vaccuum, isn't exactly the most damning thing I've ever read. It's more just support for what we all pretty much know at this point... Newsome can't get the job done.

Anyway, thanks for all the film review and insight. Its good stuff, keep it coming.

Sad indeed

As someone who played OL in high school, I've always thought this has been our team's weakest link for at least a decade. Most people focus on skill positions and underestimate how critical an OL is to the success of the offense. At first I bought into the excuses about recruiting the wrong people for OL, but that excuse doesn't fly anymore. It's clear to me that the coaching staff doesn't understand how to teach the fundamentals that even most high school coaching staffs can instruct.

Spring Film Study

Rumors abound that Newsome will be implementing rigorous film study in spring practice to perform O line performance. Titles include "The Waterboy", "The Program", "Any Given Sunday" and "The Replacements".

He's going to be watching them by himself

I don't think he's going to be there in the spring.

I hope so!

I'll chip in the popcorn. I don't know who's recruiting/coaching Stanford's lines but that's where I'd like to see VT head.

Bud Light Kamenski (the right tackle in The Program) was a personal hero. I used to chide guys while singing during pass blocking, but we were too busy shouting out line calls and dummy calls pre-snap.

"Shut up snowflake. You think you on Star Search?"

"Nope. We are running dogies into the end zone and the trail runs right over your ass."

Viva El Guapo

"Wildcats" should probably be on this list.

It's a great day to be a Hokie!

And don't forget about "The Little Giants"!

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

I think some credit needs to be given to Duane for his hard work

However, what you say is correct. He lacked fundamentals when he got into the NFL and it showed. He worked hard and got better and now, he's one of the best.

Hell, he said he lacked those fundamentals. But kid's don't learn them on their own. Repetition and good teaching bring those along. He clearly didn't get either.

Viva El Guapo

and those poor fundamentals carry into other parts of the offense .. namely wide receivers .. their blocking is absolutely non-existent and, for the most part, their route running ability is mediocre at best

let's not even get into LT3's mechanics.

bottom line is this ... these things are nothing new ... we just don't have enough weapons on offense to cover up our weaknesses this season

does anyone else remember

Eddie Royal's first NFL regular season game? This kinda reminds me a little of that...it's apples to oranges, but another example of our stars going on to bigger and better things at a higher level. Eddie was great, but if he's competing in the record books in the NFL as a rookie, he should have been a Heisman contender in college.

from wiki:
"Royal started and played in his first NFL regular season game on September 8, 2008, in a 41-14 road win over the Oakland Raiders. He caught nine balls for 146 yards and one touchdown in his debut. Royal's 146 receiving yards were the most by any wide receiver in the first week of the 2008 NFL regular season.[3]"

"Eddie's 91 receptions are second most in NFL history for a rookie, behind only Anquan Boldin who had 101. His 980 yards and five touchdowns are both Broncos rookie records. He was seventh in the league among wide receivers in receptions, and sixth in the NFL in total yards.

Early in the 2009 season, Royal became the 4th fastest player in NFL history to reach 100 career receptions."

I wish Eddie would reunite with the Shanahans

He was best utilized in his offense.

Ballocks on he-who-shall-not-be-named for beating him for Rookie of the Year

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Heck

Shucks, heck...that things there was only about 4 or 5 comments away from being a positive article.

- signed, Frank Beamer

We put the K in Kwality

Vinston Painter and Nick Becton

Could be next. Both are pretty freaking sweet atheletes, but they're struggling with Stinespring and Newsome.

I could see Becton following similar footsteps. He's a natural offensive lineman who has played very well this season. Of course he will struggle the first couple years because of Newsome, but he could be a great NFL prospect.

I love Virginia Tech, regardless of the outcome of every game.

VT Losses

VT losses last year can't be contributed to just the O-Line.

1)Pitt the entire run defense didn't show up.
2)Cincy the 2dary didn't show up.
3)UNC the D gave up almost 50.
4)Miami the special teams didn't show up. KO returns past midfield and a blocked punt. Maybe LTs worst game throwing the ball.
5)Florida St the D gave up a 4th and 2 on the ground with less than 2 min left and then gave up the big pass play.

Bottom line, all team losses. To pinpoint the qb or the o-line or certain coaches, just isn't accurate. Looks to me like more a lack of "winning".

And that maybe more of a frame of mind. Becoming comfortable with losing and finding a way to lose, is what plagued this team more than anything.

Respectfully

disagree. When our offense is only able to score half as many points against ACC teams that other ACC teams put over 30 on regularly (Clemson (x3), UVA, GT, BC, UM) then there is a huge problem with our offense. Yes, it is a team sport, and yes, there have been defensive and ST breakdowns. Nevertheless, the offense has been dysfunctional for the most part this season, and has been a continuing liability in many games over the past 5 years. Foster got the defense fixed by mid-season, no such change occurred on the offense.

VTCC '86 Delta Derelicts, Honduras Hokie

And in all those games the offense struggled to move the ball. Big plays kept them in the game (A case can be made for the FSU game). While big plays are good, it's a lot like a 3 and out. Doesn't give the defense time to rest. When the offense is consistently on the field for 3 plays, the defense cannot rest.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

@VT_Warthog

Winning

Address the O-Line coaching issue and the O-Coord. issue and you will have a 6-6 2013 season with a better O-line, better O-line coach, and VT will score more points, just like you want.

It is not all about scoring points. It is all about winning.

Unless the losing tendencies and losing attitude and just plain "losing" is addressed, expect more losses.

Somehow the entire organization has to get back to thinking and acting like "winners". That will help more than anything.

Losing shouldn't be an option.

They beat FSU, Clemson, and Cincy if the offensive line gives a standard ACC quality effort. The inability to get 3 on a 3rd and 2 killed the offense. FSU isn't close if the offense sustains some drives. Clemson didn't piss a drop for long stretches, but the OL couldn't secure 3rd and shorts. Cincy gets up in the first half because the Hokie O would get 2nd and 2's and then couldn't convert. That starts with the OL.

Viva El Guapo

Agreed. I could pay the ACC

Agreed.

I could pay the ACC Exit Fee if I had a dollar everytime this offense failed to convert a 3rd and short. Plain and simple.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

@VT_Warthog

Running Backs

Don't you think it may help if VT had a decent back over 200#s that liked to hit the hole and not cut for the sidelines? When was the last time you saw a VT back break a tackle between the tackles?

Maybe a little, but if the holes aren't there then there isn't a thing the back can do. JC Coleman was the best at squirting through a little hole that wasn't really there. But the line just didn't make holes.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

@VT_Warthog

Add Miami to that list as well. There's 4 games we could have/should have won. Of course, we could have lost the GT and UVA games too.

Thanks French

It all starts, or dies, in the trenches.

VTCC '86 Delta Derelicts, Honduras Hokie

INTERESTING NEWS!

Mizzou OC Steven Yost resigned today, citing personal reasons. Perhaps a move east?

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3 questions.

First off, I assume you mean David Yost?

Why would he be coming to Blacksburg? Does he have some connection to the university or one of the coaches?

Why would we want him? Granted, he just finished his first season of facing SEC defenses, but they still averaged only 356 yards, good for 98th and a full 36 less than we did this season.

Sorry, got names mixed up

Yes, David Yost.....no connection that I know of, but his offenses have been prolific over the past three seasons (past season excluded...Tigers had a bunch of OL injuries and QB was injured too), and he's a great recruiter. I would hope that we don't restrict any search to someone with "connections". Steiny and Newsome had "connections". He could be interesting. Late word has itthat he's looking into the UTEP HC position, though, so nothing will probably come of it.

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Nooooooooooooooooooo don't do it! El Paso is such a shithole!

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