Next OC rumor, Chuck Long former HC@SDSU

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Chuck Long, according to wikipdia, is currently a high school wide receivers coach in Oklahoma...........

Chuck Long Dosier

Recent Coaching History

1999-2001 Oklahoma Quarterbacks/Passing Game
2002-05 Oklahoma Offensive Coordinator/ Quarterbacks
2006-08 San Diego State Head Coach
2010-11 Kansas Offensive Coordinator/ Quarterbacks

Year	School	Total Offense
2011	Kansas	3922 (106th)
2010	Kansas	3557 (113th)
2008	San Diego State	3749 (99th)
2007	San Diego State	4519 (73rd)
2006	San Diego State	3234 (108th)
2005	Oklahoma	4261 (71st)
2004	Oklahoma	6007 (8th)
2003	Oklahoma	6152 (19th)
2002	Oklahoma	5496 (37th)
2001	Oklahoma	4400 (66th)
2000	Oklahoma	5151 (18th)

He had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator in Oklahoma, not so much as a head coach or in Kansas with Turner Gill.

Chuck took 2012 off from coaching to spend time with his family and study the game. (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/jul/16/ex-ku-assistant-chuck-long-tak...)

"I've had a chance to go out and view a lot of practices and watch how people do things differently from one place to another, picking up things along the way," Long said. "That's been good for me. This year is giving me a chance to recharge a little bit and look forward to the future. By the end of the year, I'm sure I'll be ready to get back at it."

After fooling myself into thinking we'd get Pep, this feels like a letdown to me.

2004 OU had Jason White and a healthy Adrian Peterson

It would have taken effort to have a bad offense.

Just following up on your post, here are all the offensive numbers associated with Long as an OC or a Head Coach. Color me unimpressed. Number is parentheses is national ranking

Oklahoma

Total Offense Passing Offense Rushing Offense Scoring Offense
2002 392.57 (37) 202 (68) 190.57 (32) 38.64 (5)
2003 439.43 (19) 292.7 (12) 146.71 (65) 42.93 (3)
2004 462.08 (8) 253.7 (27) 208.38 (16) 34.77 (14)
2005 355.08 (71) 177.6 (94) 177.50 (33) 26.92 (56)

San Diego State
Total Offense Passing Offense Rushing Offense Scoring Offense
2006 269.50 (180) 150.3 (107) 119.17 (80) 14.17 (113)
2007 376.58 (73) 272.7 (28) 103.92 (105) 25.08 (76)
2008 312.42 (99) 239.25 (42) 73.17 (117) 19.25 (104)

Kansas
Total Offense Passing Offense Rushing Offense Scoring Offense
2010 296.42 (113) 161.83 (103) 134.58 (87) 17.08 (111)
2011 326.83 (106) 167.42 (101) 159.42 (57) 22.33 (95)

2004...

was Adrian Peterson's freshman season at Oklahoma, when he was runner up for the Heisman trophy.

not sure who was more responsible for that 8th ranked offense, but my money's on A.D.

side note: If true, this is worse than getting a note that says a donation in your name has been made out to the human fund as Christmas gift

Another Note

Could this hire help bring Logan Thomas back for his senior season? He coached 2003 Heisman Trophy winner Jason White and Heisman finalist Josh Heupel in 2000.

Offense plummeted under Long after the Orange Bowl win.

Mangino and Long both were part of a program that fell to pieces AND faced recruiting violations.

At Oklahoma, the offense had a reputation for being a soft, screen driven, finnese offense. Despite having Adrian Petersen and a plethora of NFL talent, Oklahoma never seemed to shake that reputation.

I am not happy. Not happy at all.

Viva El Guapo

I believe, Turner Gill hired Long, not Mangino. Do you have a link for any of the recruiting violations, I'm Googling, but can't find anything... Do you remember if they were secondary infractions or something major?

great....well that makes me stoked

tyrod did it mikey! tyrod did it!

How do you go from pep Hamilton to chuck long? Nothing like going from facing high school d's to facing Bama week 1!

UVA: Jefferson's biggest mistake

@pbowman6

Going from Pep to this is kinda like...

"Go Hokies!" - Thomas Jefferson
@HaydenDubya

oh boy

no pep and now this? kick a man while hes down why dont ya...

Credintials

At least long has more credentials as a oc than Stiney ever did!

Why the negative vote? Chuck Long may not be a Pep Hamilton but like Sova_Hokie is saying, at least we'll be getting rid of Ocainspring.

He may not be what we wanted but at the end of the day, Ocainspring will be gone and I thought that's what we all wanted. At least this shows that Beamer is trying to do the right thing (in terms of our offensive production, or lack thereof) for once and we're acting like a real program that makes changes when they're necessary.

If we get him and he sucks, then two things. 1) At least Ocainspring is gone (2) We'll replace him. At least we're making changes. Regardless of who the change is, any change is good in my opinion.

I'm not saying we should all be screaming from the top of mountains about Chuck Long. But I am saying we should be screaming from the top of mountains that Ocainspring is gone (if/when it happens).

Kendall Fuller - future Thorpe winner
(STOP CRYING ABOUT DOWNVOTES)

So by your logic its okay if this turns into a bad hire and we're back to the drawing board next year? What kind of message does that send to all stakeholders in this program (et al recruits, fans, boosters, other coaches). Change for the sake of change is horrifying to me and completely unacceptable. While I've grown tiresome of the whole coaching stability argument, the last thing I want our staff to become is a revolving door of faces and systems. Lets leave that to MAC schools and UVA.

Don't want change for change's sake...

but it shouldn't be hard to find an OC better than O'Cainspring. Hamilton, Long, Elliot, a rock...

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Don't take this as defending O'Cainspring, because I'm just as fed up as everyone else, but holy hell people need to calm down and be pragmatic.

That's a fair point

...but at what point is the new OC achieving acceptable success for us? Better doesn't mean all that much considering that the bar has been set pretty low. I don't think anybody here expects us to have a consistent top ten offense, at least with the way Beamer wants to manage a game, but are we looking for top twenty occasionally? Top fifty consistently? This is why it's a tricky hire. We need a guy that will look like a solid play-caller, can manage talent and transform our offensive line, all while achieving enough success to look good, but not so good that he bolts in 1-2 years. All of those things have to be considered along with recruiting and ideally getting someone with Virginia ties. That's a tough job description for anyone considering the job, and probably part of the reason why not much is leaking about candidates. We are also expecting someone with a pedigree, when the reality is that most guys with a good rep are spoken for in schools that pay just as well as we do. It's going to have to be a "diamond in the rough" candidate (and probably someone that's a dark horse) or a retread like the Fridge with Beamer ties.

We all know how eye-gougingly terrible that bowl game was to watch, but this fan base has MUCH higher expectations than just "getting better."

No pressure, no diamonds.

Agreed

good post.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Other possible candidates > Long > keeping Ocainspring

First off: I would hope that we give whoever we bring in, more than one season to get things rollings.

And I don't think Beamer would make a change just for the sake of change. If Beamer wants to bring this guy in, or any guy for that matter, then I think we should trust his opinion on the guy. I wasn't saying that Beamer is making a change just to make a change. I'm saying from a fan's standpoint, at this point any change is good change.

What kind of message would it send if we give up on the search because we couldn't land Pep? "Okay Hokie Nation, I know we couldn't get one of the best young coaches out there so I guess we'll have to stick with Ocainspring. Just keep giving us your money and keep going on roadtrips to watch us lose because we have an incompetent offense. I know most of you may not like this, but you'll get over it. Go Hokies!" I wouldn't be too fond of that message at all.

I don't want our program to become a revolving door either but it's the nature of the business we're in. Coaches get hired, they get to prove themselves, and if they suck then they get replaced. That's how sports works, I didn't come up with the logic. Isn't that why we all want Ocainspring gone????

I would hope that Beamer wouldn't place his trust in somebody that would suck, but at this point, I'm down for just about anyone to come in. I'd much rather try to find a replacement, even if it takes many years and we have to go through a guy or two, then to just sit back and keep accepting Ocainspring's nonsense.

Bottomline, any change is good change. It lets me know we're moving in the right direction.

Kendall Fuller - future Thorpe winner
(STOP CRYING ABOUT DOWNVOTES)

How does ANY change mean we're moving in the right direction?

Losing recruits because of a sudden 'revolving door' at OC wouldn't be moving in the right direction. If this is a bad hire, it could do irreparable damage to the program that could set us back years. There's absolutely no way Beams shrugs his shoulders and says "Well, that's just the way it is" if a coach tells him he's using the VT program as a stepping stone. If there's anything the Stiney tenure has taught us, it's that Beamer wants guys that are loyal to a fault, just like him.

No pressure, no diamonds.

"Well, that's just the way it is"

Who said anything similar to that? I never said we should just take what we can get. Like I said we have to trust Beamer on this. I don't think Beamer would bring him in if that was his intentions.

And in my eyes, the longer we keep status quo and act like everything is okay, the more damage it will do. Like I said, I don't want a revolving door either, but I think the risk of having a revolving door outweighs the risk of keeping ocainspring for another season. Coaches come and go, the good ones stay. How are we to get a good one if we don't take risks. I'm not saying to treat this like it's a blackjack table in Vegas, but no matter what, with coaching changes comes risk. I'm completely ready to accept the risk.

And I'm confused as to what you guys want. If we can't get the best OC out there then nobody will suffice?

How do you guys know if he sucks? How do you know we'll lose recruits? None of us know anything. We're on this site speculating and acting like experts everyday but I'd place my trust in Beamer before I place my trust in any of you. If Beamer trusts and likes the guy, then that's enough for me to say goodbye to Ocainspring.

Kendall Fuller - future Thorpe winner
(STOP CRYING ABOUT DOWNVOTES)

Devil's Advocate

I agree with your post, but just to play devil's advocate, Beamer trusts and likes O'Cainspring.

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” - David Wilson

"We are better than we think, but not quite what we want to be" - Nikki Giovanni

Haha good point. However, he's getting rid of them, so I trust his judgement.

Kendall Fuller - future Thorpe winner
(STOP CRYING ABOUT DOWNVOTES)

Fat Frank

Maybe he is getting over his Fat Frank hangover and just realized how bad they were at running the offense...

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” - David Wilson

"We are better than we think, but not quite what we want to be" - Nikki Giovanni

Agreed. We can't sit here one

Agreed.

We can't sit here one minute drooling over a guy whould would have likely only been here a handful of seasons before jumping to a HC or NFL job and then the next minute hate a guy, who may or may not pan out because we don't want a revolving door.

Everyone here just needs to take a deep breath and relax. We have no control over what happens, it's important to remember that. Sometimes I think we act like, me included, that Beamer is reading TKP and making program decisions based on our points of view.

I am confident this program will make the best decision they can for the future of VT football. All jokes aside, if we hire Long, or keep Stinespring, I will trust that it is because the program decided that that is the best move we can make right now.

Don't take this as me saying we should stop talking and debating about it. No no no, please don't, but don't start getting chippy at one another because of this.

Ok, I'm done playing Dr. Phil for the day, I'm just trying to get through my last day of work before going back to Blacksburg and getting housed on whiskey and cokes while watching Breaking Bad.

Sorry...to clarify

What I meant by "That's just the way it is" is in regard to how athletics work and the revolving door most coaches experience. Didn't mean to think bringing in any Joe Schmo off the street was "the way it is." I think Beamer ignores that trend in college, even now when making staffing decisions.

No pressure, no diamonds.

Exactly. There is a reason good coaches eventually make it to the nfl or destination jobs in cfb.... because they are good coaches. Id rather have a good coach for 2 or 3 years, install a true system so that when they eventually leave a true system that works is in place. Then they can promote from within or hire an OC that has a similar system.

Interesting addition to that scenario

Don't we already *basically* have that in place with our defense? Hasn't Bud been grooming the younger guys like Gray to be able to step up if he left?

No pressure, no diamonds.

Talked to my Oklahoma buddy, he's a Long fan

Said he has a bit of Mike Leach in him and he'd take him back at OU in a second. Only thing is, guy still lives in Norman, would he even want to come to VA? And all his roots are out on the plains, no ties here in terms of recruiting.

Part of me doesn't care WHAT kind of offense we run as long as it fucking works (unlike the current one).

chuck 3rd and long

This is why we cant have nice things

What happened to "committed to the run game?"

That's not what I remember from OU of that era. He played u der Hayden Fry, who was run oriented.

Beamer thumbs down.gif

We can't do any better than that?

No, we can't.

Can we do better than a former Broyles finalist with top 10 offenses on his resume? No.

Is he Pep Hamilton? No, less current status, more long term success. Is Long a perfect choice? Absolutely not, but the vast majority of OC hires are flawed retreads given another shot. Sometimes, like Noel Mazzone or Tony Franklin. They respond well with a clean slate.

Some Questions

Was there such a surplus of talent at Oklahoma so that he couldn't fail?

What caused him to fail at Kansas? Do the same conditions exist at Virginia Tech?

How well can he recuit / does he have any Virginia connections / will he be hungry to recruit?

We've had surpluses of talent on offense here, and never been in the top 30. Someone who can at least manage a talented offense is an improvement over what we have now, which is an incompetent staff that mostly gets in the way of the offense.

Other than that, I agree with all of your other points. He is obviously someone to look at, but there are probably better options out there.

In Long's best statistical year he had Adrian Peterson at tailback, who is arguably a better talent than anyone ever in Blacksburg.

Peterson's freshman season, which saw him finish second in Heisman voting, is the only time Long has ever had anything to do with an offense that finished in the top 30 nationally in rushing. Even Stinespring has done that (a top 30 rushing offense) three of the past four years.

I would say that is mostly a product of Oklahoma's offense. They have never been a ground-it-out type of team, at least since I've been watching the game. And they were #8 overall in that one season, and top 37 a total of 3 out of 4 seasons at Oklahoma. In rushing, they were still top 33 3 of the 4 years.

In contrast, our best offensive performance since MV7 was 2011, when we were T-35th. On that team, we had DMFW, Boykin, Coale, and Logan.

In 2010, we had TT, Boykin, Coale, RMFW, Darren Evans AND DMFW, and finished 41st.

In 2009, we had the whole bunch except Evans and Wilson, and finished 50th.

I don't know about you, but I would consider that an over-abundance of talent, and huge underachievement. Granted, none of our running backs are quite as good as Peterson, but I'd say the entire group looked pretty damn good. And we didn't do hardly anything with it.

I would not take anything from Kansas

Their talent level is nothing like ours. Did Gill run a triple option? I always assumed he did.....

WELP

There's that.

Just bail Marcus out and hire him. At least our offense would learn toughness.

I love Virginia Tech, regardless of the outcome of every game.

So, is the Fridge looking better...

now?

gtofever

i'd say so

@seanhoganvt

that photoshop

Is just wrong, dude. Although, it does strangely remind me of a girl I knew in high school. ..

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Yep, he's always been high on my list

He doesn't recruit and hasn't run an offense in close to 15 years, but he can pull an offensive staff together.

Anything is better then Stinepring. Id rather us hire a rock then put up with one more year of this crap.

@VTimHokie85

I have to feel like at this point any name leaked is someone who we discucced OC position with but won't be offered or accept it. If there is anything we should all know by now this process is VERY tight lipped. Beamer is taking this very serious and I doubt he will bring anyone in who won't give immediate results.

VTMidge-Andrew Shields

Idea

Is there a smokestack in Merryman? We could go old school:

White Smoke: We have yet to hire an OC
Black Smoke: WE HAVE A NEW OC
Merryman Burns Down: We are sticking with Stinespring