"Foe"Rensics: East Carolina

Hello. Welcome to the third installment of "Foe"Rensics. It seems there was a decided preference for incorporating some actual real facts into this, so I'm going to stick with it and see how it goes. As always, there may be places where I've stretched the truth a bit. This week, we're traveling to the pirate infested waters of Greenville1, NC, home of East Carolina.


The city was originally settled by old baseball jerseys.

1. Western Carolina is not as good at football as Alabama, huh?

A. No, they are not. From a statistical perspective, their defense accounted for 1/3 of their catches which, yay Bud! but not-so-yay for our offensive prospects.

2. So, East Carolina's up next, huh? They seem to be pretty sissy pirates if they wear purple.

A. In an interesting quirk, East Carolina was actually founded by pirates. Edward Teach, better known as Blackbeard, had become quite distressed towards the end of his illustrious career at the caliber of pirates that the Americas were turning out. Fearing a "Plunder Gap" was developing between the US and the British and French, he set out to establish a school devoted to the finer arts of pillaging. He founded that institution just up the Tobacco River from his lair on the Outer Banks and served as the first dean before being tragically beheaded in a boating accident2.


Dean Blackbeard's official portrait, painted shortly after finding out they had lost to UVA.

In Teach's honor, the East Carolina football team was initially known as the Teachers (It's so much better when I don't even make it up). When they realized that people didn't really get the 'Blackbeard' origins of the mascot, they decided to be a little more blunt.

Today, ECU still has a small but vibrant department dedicated to the noble art of high seas robbery. Their program is internationally renowned and, in fact, draws many of it's students from abroad, particularly East Africa. Interestingly, the UN is considering sanctions on the NCAA for recognizing East Carolina's athletics programs in spite of ECU's flagrant flouting of International Maritime Law.


Somali alumni doing the wave at a tailgate.

3. Gee, that's great! I love sailing!

A. Indeed. Also, as it seems your tastes run to the finer things in life, the next time you enjoy a scrumptious meal at Golden Corral followed by some Monday Night Raw, you have ECU alumni James Maynard and Vince (AND LINDA!) McMahon to thank for those American cultural treasures.


Alas, Mrs. Helmsley (nee McMahon) chose to take her talents elsewhere.

4. Okay, what's the skinny on ECU?

A. Well, at 2-0, they are the first team we play this year that enters our game with a win (THANKS for the schedule help, Bama). Aside from a STRONG out of conference schedule (also known as ALL ACC TEAMS with a side of ODU) they have a decent shot to rebound from a so-so year in 2012 to make a play for the Conference USA Eastern Division title. I would venture to say they have a slightly different philosophy to winning football games than Bud and Frank. They seem to be more of the mindset of Let's Try to Break the Scoreboard With Points On Points On Points vice smothering your opponent to death. To put their overall program in perspective, though, they have spent YEARS pining to get into the Big East, the conference everyone else has been trying to get out of. Now that the Big East has collapsed into the AAC (which is, sorry, a pretty blatant attempt to be right ahead of the ACC alphabetically) they have finally gotten their wish.

5. Well, that's sort of sad. Who's their coach?

A. Currently, Ruffin McNeill, who you may recall filled in for Mike Leach at Texas Tech after Craig James attempted to implicate Leach into the ongoing investigation into James' quintuple hooker homicide. Ruffin continues a strong ECU tradition of cool coach names, following predecessor Skip Holtz and John Thompson, who despite his historic success at Georgetown, only won three games in two years at ECU.


Which is why you don't hire basketball coaches to coach your football team. Idiots.

Ruffin is an ECU alum, though AGAIN, we are dealing with someone who attended Clemson without playing football there. I'm not going through that Frogurt bullshit again.

6. Do they allow the pirating students to play football?

A. Ever since an unfortunate peg-leg-through-the-facemask incident, no. Plus, wearing eye patches really screws with your depth perception, which is detrimental to the passing game.

7. Any players with cool names?

A. As it so happens, they have a guy with the last name of Mayo-Tapp, who will probably play if he's not being eaten by Tommy Boy. Also, they have a Montese, Maurice, Marquise, Marquez, and Marquis, which has GOT to be confusing for Coach Ruff. I imagine a film room scene like this:

Coach Ruff: Okay, Marquez, this is where you have to pick up the slot receiver.

Maurice: Uh, Coach, I'm Maurice.

Coach Ruff: Dammit. Marquez!

Marquez: Here, Coach! But I'm a running back. Do you maybe mean Marquis?

Coach Ruff: Oh. Okay, Marquise!

Marquise: Coach, he said Marquis.

Coach Ruff: GODDAMMIT. MARQUIS!

Marquis: Right here, Coach. But I play offensive line, so unless you want me to pick up the slot receiver and eat him, wrong dude.

Coach Ruff: DOES ANYONE HERE WITH A TWO SYLLABLE NAME STARTING WITH M PLAY DEFENSE FOR ME?

Montese: I do, Coach! But I go by Caleb.

8. Shit, not more Calebs.

A. Yup.

9. Do they have any Fullers?

A. Once again, we are dealing with a Fuller-less team, which makes me really question why Vegas set the line at only -7.

10. Do they have any good rivalries?

A. Well, according to Wikipedia, their biggest rival is North Carolina State. NC State officials, when reached for comment, assumed I meant North Carolina, and laughed at me when I insisted I was calling about ECU. HOWEVER, apparently the 'rivalry' must be real as it has a trophy, known as the Victory Barrel.


Also known as "Made Up", "Clearly Created (Poorly) by an ECU Student" and "Apparently Stored in Some Guy's Cubicle"

11. That's...that's pretty sad.

A. Oh, it gets better. If you scroll a little further down the Wikipedia page, their next 'rival' is North Carolina, who they've played 7 times in the last 21 years. After that is Southern Miss, just because ECU has played them more than anyone else in the last 35 years. This frequency is attributable to an unfortunate condition known as "Stuck in Conference USA Since About the Same Time".

12. Oof.

A. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Scroll JUST a bit further and the last team outlined in this section is none other than your Virginia Tech Hokies! Which is both very funny and, because we'll play them roughly 2,342 more times before we play Florida State again, very sad.

13. Okay, I'm having trouble taking them seriously at this point.

A. Yup. But, now that they are joining the AAC (#goaac) I'm sure they will develop a feisty rivalry with Villanova, which will lend an air of credibility to the program. In a somewhat redeeming move, their players take the field to Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix (a much stronger color based choice than this). If we didn't already have Enter Sandman, I would TOTALLY love to see our players come out to Jimi's Foxy Lady.

Some of Jimi's later stuff was weird.

14. Wow, rock on. So, I've never been to Greenville before. Where should I eat?

A. Me neither! But the internet has allowed me to become just as effective a tour guide as any Greenvillager3. According to Trip Advisor, the best place to eat in Greenville, NC is Kasturi Indian Cuisine, because, of course, small town in Tidewater North Carolina? EXCELS AT INDIAN FOOD. For more insight into their high quality cuisine, a review from Trip Advisor:

"I loved the food. I disliked the fact that I didnt understand the Indian words."

I know, right?! That is just the WORST part about eating international cuisine, they expect you to learn their goddamn language to order the food. I mean, just call things by their American name. If they don't have one, just call it something we're familiar with so we're not pushed out of our comfort zone. Like, the hell is Chana Masala? Just call it a Hot Dog, or something. I like those and I will probably like Chana Masala if I think it's a hot dog.


After your delicious Indian hot dog, watch the Hokies at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium, named for ECU's matriarchiest alum.

15. Jeez, maybe they should drop the Pirating Department and add an Indian Language Department. Any other food recommendations?

A. It just so happens that some of our faithful readers offered recommendations last week (under threat of bodily harm if I didn't include them). Quick related story; a couple of years ago I went to my wife's family reunion in New Jersey because, classy. While I was chasing my 2 year old near a fish pond, a older gentleman came up to offer some advice on kid friendly tourist attractions near by. We got to talking and it turned out he was from North Carolina, a couple hours north of my parents (who live in Wilmington). Since I have been unable to locate good barbecue in Wilmington4, I asked him for recommendations. He told me B's Barbecue in Greenville was worth the drive, and if I went, I was to call him so he could take me (this man, who I had met 20 minutes earlier, was dead serious). I have not yet made the trip, but B's is on my bucket list5, and I think you all should check it out as well.

16. Back to the Hokies. LOGAN THOMAS COUNTDOWN TO FIVE INTERCEPTIONS:

A. Apparently Logan wants to get all of his interceptions out of the way early, which is smart. Throwing them during conference play is bad. He currently stands at three interceptions for the year, This means he still has 10 (or 11, or 12) games to throw his remaining two.

17. Final thoughtswhat should we watch for in the game?

A. Assuming Lady Sybil doesn't show up to distract everyone, I will be watching to see:

  • If Bonner and Facyson will share some INTs with Kyle and Kendall this week.
  • If this level of defensive rage is sustainable for the entire out of conference schedule.
  • If my deeply held wish that some ECU students wear parrots on their shoulders to games comes true.
  • What will happen more, our WRs dropping passes or the commentators talking about dropped passes.
  • If Logan is allowed to run the ball again.

Thanks for joining us and for your informed and inquisitive questions. Next week we'll head into the hills of West Virginia to explore Marshall (instead of WVU, unfortunately).

1This is apparently COMPLETELY different from Greensboro for you geographically challenged folks out there. Which I'm totally not.
2As a general rule, you should not attack two British warships simultaneously.
3Confusingly, there is also a Greenville in SOUTH Carolina, and if you are going there, word on the street is Pita House is pretty good, which I now realize I have no good reason to know.
4Barbecue in Wilmington, NC is so bad my aunt recommends people eat at Smithfields if they are going out to eat barbecue, which is like the McDonalds of barbecue. Do not get me started on the boiled ribs I have been served at "barbecue" restaurants in Wilmington.
5Reminder, #TEAMVINEGARSAUCE

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Comments

ahh perfect timing. having a rough couple days and i see this pop up. good stuff.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

For fear of starting something that I may not be able to finish, I will go ahead and give B's Barbeque a thumbs up. Even though I am a disciple of Lexington Style, B's throws down some pretty good stuff.

Gotta get there early. They only serve until they run out, and they usually run out before 2 pm.

(Also, I'm absolutely ready to face the ramifications of the ECU v Hokies series ending.)

Leonard. Duh.

If you are in Greenville, NC you go to B's. Seriously. Best BBQ in that town. If you are ok with a little drive, go to Parkers or Bill Ellis' in Wilson. Brother is a recent ECU alum, and to ensure that we had BBQ for his graduation dinner I waited outside at 5am with 15 other people already in line for food. It is totally worth it.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

A turkey leg for anyone with a Calvin & Hobbs avatar.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Spectacular. Get all those INTs out of the way.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

#TEAMVINEGARSAUCE all the way

Long time listener...first time poster

Lost it at Somali alumni doing the wave at a tailgate, great stuff once again

The Somali Pirates are a nice touch

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (979) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

I also root for: The Keydets, Army, TexAggies, NY Giants, NY Rangers, ATL Braves, and SA Brahmas

Doing the Wave at a tailgate = Me doing this:

Logan 3:16

Oh, so Logans just getting the interceptions down early. Pshew I thought he was just playing bad

Our motto bringing spirit true, that we may ever serve you

This feature is so great. Just wanted to say that.
Also, #teamvinegarsauce is strong.

Alumni wave @ tailgate....classic FifthFuller stuff.

Pita House... YUS! Dammit, now I'm nostalgic

Best duos in Hokie history: Hall & Adibi, 3rd & Tyrod, Georgia & Liz

sadly after B's, Dale's (another good Indian place in G-Vegas), and Cubbie's (think Mike's but CHEAPER), the next best place to eat there is Sheetz.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

I'm sorry, did you say G-Vegas? If so... could you expound on that a bit?

And hell yeah, Sheetz? The one in Christiansburg opened while i was down there. We lived on 50 cent hot dogs and $1.50 packs of Jacks cigarettes for months. it was... well, it probably accelerated my death, to be honest.

Yuppies and yankees termed Greenville as G-Vegas in the late 90's. It stuck, but no one likes it and us locals use it for profiling purposes.

I'd take Cook Out over Sheets any day.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

http://www.gvegasmagazine.com/
...
Also, I did forget about Cook Out. I hang my head in shame.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

G-Vegas is what locals refer to Greenville as because it's where soldiers from Ft. Bragg, Marines from Cherry Point, and surrounding communities go to party on the weekend. I would suggest leaving downtown before 1 am because my wife (grad degree from ECU) STILL gets the student alerts every Monday talking about people being mugged/shot/attacked walking home from the bars.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

be careful when you see 6 shirtless bros in the back of an 1999 s10 pickup, pirate flag fiying of course... they'll throw empties at you and yell shit. i promise you, you'll see at least 1 group of guys like that.

wilbur's in goldsboro, is considered the best eastern, nc bbq. sadly, i haven't been. b's is really good though, been told skylight inn bbq in ayden is really damn good too.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Wait a second... I have a 99 s10 pickup.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm gonna go ahead and call BS here....there is no way an s10 pickup would last 14 years...unless you have a PICTURE of an s10

Onward and upward

got a couple friends that go to ECU and the restaurants they always talk about are Sup Dogs and the bbq restaurant you mentioned. definitely worth trying out

"I thought the kid right there you're talking to right there played his nuts off."

I'm getting the last-minute urge to go to this game, I still haven't been to ECU.

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (979) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

I also root for: The Keydets, Army, TexAggies, NY Giants, NY Rangers, ATL Braves, and SA Brahmas

Just in case you need extra motivation to make the trip.

ECU

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

You, sir, have mastered the Power of Persuasion!

This too:

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (979) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

I also root for: The Keydets, Army, TexAggies, NY Giants, NY Rangers, ATL Braves, and SA Brahmas

If you go, try not to be too annoyed by that hook thing that the fans will make with their index fingers every five minutes or so. They started that a couple years back.

Please people...unless you're a Longhorn, the college gang sign thing is a rip-off. Stop. This is college, not the Crips.

Leonard. Duh.

I disagree! The VT gang sign is great!

Logan 3:16

Greenville/ECU is the Radford of NC. My best friend went there so I have visited countless times. A weekend trip is fun, I could never imagine being there for an extended period of time.

I know some refer to it as ezscrew, but please tell me they don't have the RU disease issues...

I am 100% #TeamYankeeSauce What is it, I have no idea, ketchup, catsup, blood, cigarette ash? May be a combination of all that. Even though I lived, from the ages of 3-6 near Green-Town, Carolina, I don't remember any bbq that wasn't mushed up w/ peas and carrots or was frozen. I know nothing about bbq and I don't know good from bad. In Pittsburgh, bbq meant fries and cole slaw over grade B quality cold cuts. Now I'm in Seattle. There is some bbq smoker in a gas station parking lot near the airport. I stopped there once and got one of everything. And everything tasted bad so I am guessing that is not good bbq or I just really don't like good bbq. There is also Hawaiian bbq here, no plans to try it. I have had bbq in TX a couple times. Achievement Unlocked? Nope, according to last week's foerensics, bbq in TX is not bbq. The bbq turkey was good regardless.

Anyway I love the Foerensics. The Somali alumni doing the wave is brilliant. I only hope there are pre-sharpshooters in the VT Navy Corp of Cadets that could take them out, duck hunt style, I'm Your Worst Nightmare - Maersk Alabama". Playing ECU is nightmare, either for them or us or both.

I believe Yankees do indeed put cigarette ash in their bbq sauce, along with the butts, shredded used tires and mob snitches.

I'm willing to consider your TX "bbq" if it was turkey. We still need to disabuse them of the idea that you make bbq from cows.

I know nothing about bbq and I don't know good from bad.

You have my pity, sir. Can someone get this man a good bbq platter?

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Does anyone know why they have such a wimpy cannon? The first time I saw them roll it out a few years ago I almost tore a muscle laughing so hard.

Oh God, I'd forgotten about that! My potato cannon has a more formidable sound.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

that's what she said.