OT: CFB Imperialism Map

This is pretty cool. Each team starts with a base region (counties closest to your stadium) and whoever you beat, you get that teams land, Win, you get back on the board, lose you're gone. ALready things are wack after Week 2

Notes
UTSA, Kent State and Minnesota hold a lot more land than they should
Did Wake beat Maine???
USC barely has anything
I don't see ECU, WVU, or LOLUVa anywhere ;)

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Winning doesn't necessarily guarantee you any land. For instance, beating a team that is 0-1 doesn't gain you anything since their land was already taken.

This will be fun to see progress through out the season.

Edit: Since this is the first comment, this is the original map which shows the closest FBS school to each county in the US. This is what was used to determine what land each team started with.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

So this means ECU's land will only be owned by an FCS team for the rest of the season? I'm a big dummy? I'm cool with it

Not necessarily, if they lose to a team that then loses to an FBS team then the FBS team will take it back.

For example, in 2 weeks JMU will play Maine. If Maine wins that game, and then turn around and lose to UCF the following week (or win out until losing to UMass in November) then that land will end back up in the FBS.

I'm sure there are other, less unlikely examples, but that was the first one I found.

Ah yeah, leg for helping me wrap my head around that not-so-tough concept

How did UVa have any land to begin with? No way Indiana should have anything more than Charlottesville, and maybe not even that.

I have to cry foul on that one.

How did UVa have any land to begin with?

It's UVA, they obviously inherited it. But if you ask them they "earned" it.

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It started with a "closest team to each county" map.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

How did UVa have any land to begin with?

*you spelled grounds wrong.

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Funny, but since they didn't even hold it two weeks, I'll call it what I want.

love how JMU doesn't own Harrisonburg, but it owns all of Eastern Carolina.

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The week 1 map only included FBS programs, so the only FCS schools that appear on it are those that beat FBS teams that "own" territory.

I'm looking at what possibilities exist for ECU's original land to get back into the FBS.

The most direct route appears to be JMU losing to Maine, who then loses to UCF. Another alternative would be if JMU loses to Norfolk State, who then loses to Delaware State, who then loses to FSU. But that's a really long shot, especially considering how bad those other two FCS teams are, and the FSU game being at the end.

Although, it does appear that if JMU wins their next two games, that land stays in the FCS forever. It looks like the entire CAA goes to full-on conference play by September 30, with no FBS games scheduled for late in the season.

Baylor Territory could aslo stay in FCS hands as well. I do not see any clear route for that to make it back to FBS hands. The only FBS teams to play FCS foes late in the season do not seem to share any common opponents with Liberty, or Jacksonville State, who seems likely to take that territory from them this weekend.

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Looks like the golden hurricanes have taken over east texas (too soon?)

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UGA does not own Southwest Virginia. False.

That's App St's region, whom UGA beat in the first game.

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They do since they beat Appy State.

They own it because they beat App State, which "owned" those counties to begin with since they were/are the closest school.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

Yeah, I don't get it /s

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What the hell Wake Forest, they beat BC and get all of Maine? Plus two random counties in SW VA?

Edit: week 1 map makes it more understandable

So basically, we can't ever claim Charlottesville from the Hoosiers? We need a battle of the bastards, me thinks.

via GIPHY

It would be tough to get Charlottesville away from the Big 10. Indiana will probably lose it to Penn State in week 5 who will then probably lose to either Michigan or tOSU a week or two later. From there, it will almost certainly stay within the conference until bowl season.

Our best chance to get the land would be to beat whichever Big Ten teams has it in a bowl game or CFB playoff game (fingers crossed).

In reality, we'll probably not collect that land for a very, very long time. That program is a mess, and with us being their annual last weekend, its not like we'll ever have the option to claim it directly from them. Then, factor in the chances of them losing it int he first couple weeks to a team from another conference, and we're pretty much screwed.

Only chance we have of claiming it is if we see the team who has it come bowl season, and most likely either in the Orange or Playoff.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Or if they have an early-season conference game, which seem to be becoming more popular.

We get Charlottesville back when we beat Penn State in the playoff

This was Whit's genius move in scheduling Liberty. We play Liberty early on after that beat Hoos - then we claim all that territory. Genius.

VT won't have Blacksburg for long (most likely).

It's near guarantee that only one team will "own" their home territory by year's end. Once you lose it, it'll be really hard to get it back. So, for the most part, only the undefeated will own their home territory at the end of the year unless some cyclical event occurs.

Technically, VT could lose it to Clemson and then win it back in the ACCCG (assuming Clemson is undefeated going into the game). But, in reality, it's near impossible to think VT will have Blacksburg for very long.

Actually wouldn't be too surprised if anyone in the ACC (other than UVA and UNC) were able to get their land back at some point (the top image is from 2011):

yes, but you only get your land back if you beat them AFTER you've lost your land, which was not the case with most of these.

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Never mind that "anyone in the ACC" bit, as FSU, GT, NC State, Pitt, and Syracuse have all lost their land to a nonconference foe as well. Some of them, such as FSU and GT, have a clear path to regain it in their season finale if the right combination of chaos happens, but I wouldn't classify any of it as "likely".

Some of y'all need to click the link and read how it all started then it'll make more sense lol. Maybe even go back and look at it week one and then look at week 2 since it all is based on closest FBS school to each county.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

So, in a few weeks, will we be taking all of Clemson's holdings, or just their original land?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

All holdings

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If you beat a team, you get everything they own at the time, which may or may not include their original land.

For example if Florida International happened to beat Indiana this coming weekend, they would win the land that Indiana just stole from UVA but not Indiana's original land because they lost that to tOSU in week 1.

How can Washington own Alaska? I don't think there is any CFB up there.

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Closest team to those area.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Did this exist last season/Can someone find it? I'm curious to see how the final map looked

This is the first year they have done it but someone on Reddit did run a simulation of what the final map of 2016 would have looked like.

Some noteable results:
USC Finished on a nine-game winning streak to amass the most territories and total area
Despite finishing on a ten-game winning streak, Oklahoma's final territory was far more modest.
Northwestern finished with the second most territories by defeating Pitt in the Pinstripe Bowl, taking all the land that they stole from Clemson in November.
Clemson, the national champions, only finished with the third most. They gave everything away to Pitt, then took a large swath back from Alabama.
Despite being undefeated in the regular season, Western Michigan only held five territories entering the Cotton Bowl. They were then taken by Wisconsin.
A late win against Navy and a short winning streak to end the season allowed South Florida to squeak out with the smallest territory.
Southern Miss and Air Force finished by holding their own territories after giving them up early and taking them back late.
Despite taking two territories during the FCS playoffs, James Madison finished with fewer territories than Illinois State, who did not qualify for those playoffs.
Virginia's original territory, first taken by Richmond, bounced around several Ivy League schools before settling with co-champion Princeton
After losing in the SEC Championship, Florida stole Iowa's land in the Outback bowl to finish with a moderate empire
Georgia Tech had an uneventful path to finishing with a mid-sized empire, but was able to finish with UGA's original territory.

Disappointingly, we didn't finish the year with any territory, as we lost anything we might have held in the ACCCG, and followed that up by winning our bowl against a team that had also lost their previous game.

Hoping for better results this year.

Made up by the fact that UVA's land was lost in the first game and ended up being owned by an Ivy League school.

This is entirely appropriate. Given that they have always wanted to be an Ivy League school, they are surely pleased with the affiliation that comes with being owned by one.

Let's see, how last year would have gone.

We didn't get anything from Liberty, being FCS.

Then we lost our land to Tennessee. (Which later passed on to aTm, Alabama, and then to Clemson.)

We gained nothing from BC, as they had lost their original land to GT in week one. While they beat UMass in week 2, Florida already owned that land from week 1.

We gained nothing from ECU, as they had lost their land the previous week to USCe. (That land also included NC State's territory.)

UNC lost their original land to Georgia in week 1. They picked up land from Illinois in week 2. When they beat FSU in week 4, they obtained USF's territory which FSU had obtained the week before. (FSU's original land was taken by Louisville.) So we would have gained Illinois and USF.

But then all of that would have gone to Syracuse.

We gained nothing from Miami, as they had lost to FSU and UNC in the previous weeks.

Then came Pitt. They lost their original land to Oklahoma State (along with the land of Penn State and Kent State) in week 3. They didn't gain any new land until they beat UVA, who had somehow managed to plunder the land of Central Michigan, which included Oklahoma State's original territory.

Duke gave us no land.

Then GT plundered our land (which would have just been CMU and OKState).

We gained nothing from Notre Dame or UVA. UVA had lost everything, obviously. Notre Dame had beaten Army the week before us, but Army had no land. Therefore, Clemson took nothing from us. As mentioned elsewhere, both teams came into the Belk Bowl with no land on the line.

Why do I find this so fascinating?

I'm with you. I love the idea of winning and losing land like warring armies.

My one big surprise is that I figured the final map from 2016 would have only had 4 or 5 schools left on it at most. I guess it goes to show that most schools only play teams from their region and conference.

It's pretty much the one of coolest things r/cfb has done .

JMU has an empire and we don't, that's quite disappointing

He said give to me Roscoe

It took me almost a full 24 hours to notice but that Black section labeled "Here Be Dragons"....That's UAB's land, I guess?

Edit: Nevermind, UAB didn't have football for the past two seasons. So yeah they didn't have the chance to lose their land

It's a sly reference to Terry Pratchet's Discworld books, I believe.

The maps from LotR had a region with that label, but I may be misremembering.

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We're going to have a hard time gaining land.

We took WVU's territory, but didn't get anything from Delaware being FCS.

ECU already lost their land, but at least they lost to JMU first, so WVU still isn't on the map. Therefore, we won't gain anything this weekend.

We could take that southeast corner of Virginia the following weekend, as long as ODU beats UNC. If UNC wins, we have to wait until Homecoming to get it (assuming UNC doesn't lose until then). Alas, we still can't get to UNC's original territory either way, because they lost to Cal in week 1.

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Should have paid more attention in calculus!

This would be a great application of graph theory

Really!?

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Not sure if I like the concept, but damnit I don't want anyone taking our land.

Sort of a fun idea if you've conquered some territory, but any concept that gives Northwestern territory at the end of the year because they beat someone with land in a nothing bowl while leaving Ohio State and Alabama with none for going to the playoffs doesn't really work for me.

leaving Ohio State with none for going to the playoffs

Ohio State's final land total just equals the number of points they scored in their final game last year.

Touche.

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Because I keep getting sucked into this concept....

Here's where our original land ended up the last few years. (Already did 2016 above)

2015 - Ohio State --> Michigan State --> Alabama (CFP)
2014 - ECU --> Temple --> Memphis
2013 - Alabama --> Auburn (kick 6) --> FSU (the final BCS game)
2012 - Pitt --> Syracuse --> Rutgers --> Kent State --> Northern Illinois --> FSU (Orange Bowl)
2011 - Clemson --> GT --> VT --> Clemson --> WVU (Orange Bowl)
2010 - Boise State --> Nevada
2009 - Alabama (went undefeated)
2008 - ECU --> NC State --> USF --> Pitt --> Rutgers
2007 - LSU --> Kentucky --> Florida --> Georgia
2006 - GT --> Clemson --> VT --> Georgia (Chick-fil-a Bowl)
2005 - Miami --> GT --> Georgia --> WVU (Sugar Bowl)
2004 - USC (went undefeated)
2003 - WVU --> Maryland (Gator Bowl)
2002 - Pitt --> Miami --> Ohio State (BCS title)

Now I see why Fuente came. He seized our land in 2014 and said hey this is nice.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

keep in mind, that is our original land, we probably finished with or lost more land because we beat other teams that held land, like in 2014 we beat Duke, who was ranked at the time, Wake probably took that land, etc

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like in 2014 we beat Duke, who was ranked at the time, Wake probably took that land, etc

Funny story about that territory. It would have included the land originally belonging to Duke and Kansas (gained in week 3).

Over a three week span, that territory went from Duke to Miami to GT and back to Duke again. Duke didn't gain any additional land from UVA, Pitt, or Syracuse the next three weeks because all of them had lost right before playing Duke or had only played teams with no land. Then, we took it from Duke, and quickly lost it to Wake.

Duke actually got that land back the next week when they beat Wake. But they lost to Arizona State in the bowl game.

They may take our land, but they'll never take...our turkey legs!

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So, here's what we stand to gain as of right now. (I'll edit this one each week.)

Week 1, we took WVU.
We got nothing from Delaware (FCS), ECU (winless), or ODU (lost to UNC).

In week 5, Clemson plundered our land. We must rebuild. The task is difficult. BC and UNC gave us nothing.

Duke - Duke, Northwestern, Nevada (via NW), ODU (via UNC) nothing
Miami* - Toledo, ULL (via Toledo), Duke, Northwestern (via Duke), Nevada (via NW and Duke), ODU (via UNC and Duke), WF (via FSU), BC (via WF and FSU), Northern Illinois (via BC, Wake, and FSU), Clemson (via Syracuse), Kent State (via Clemson and Syracuse), Auburn (via Clemson and Syracuse), Ga Southern (via Auburn, Clemson, and Syracuse), Louisville (via Clemson and Syracuse), Purdue (via Louisville, Clemson, and Syracuse), VT (via Clemson and Syracuse), WVU (via VT, Clemson, and Syracuse)
GT - nothing
Pitt - nothing
UVA - UConn nothing

*Due to geographic oddities, Miami does not start off with their own territory.

And now we have new reasons to want other teams to win games before they play us.

I guess we need to root for ODU this weekend then over UNC. I don't think UNC will make it past both GT and ND, so we won't be able to get the ODU territory from them.

Week 3 update:

-ODU lost their territory to UNC, so once more, we have nothing to gain next week.
-we might be able to get the ODU territory, if UNC gets through Duke, GT, ND, and UVA.
-Duke beat Baylor, who had no land.
-BC lost to ND, but there was no territory on the line.
-Pitt lost to OkSt, but they had no land to give. (OkSt had their own and Tulsa's land on the line.)
-GT and Miami were off.
-Clemson took Louisville's land, including the land taken from Purdue in week 1.

Week 4 update:

-Clemson got nothing from BC.
-Duke took the ODU territory from UNC. So now, we have to wait even longer to get that. Of course, Duke plays Miami next, so if the 'Canes win, then that pushes our ability to gain that land another week.
-By beating Toledo, Miami gained that land plus the land of Louisiana-Lafayette.
-Neither GT nor Pitt had any land on the line.
-UVA gained nothing from Boise. While Boise had beaten New Mexico the week before, NM had lost the week prior. Boise lost their original land in week 2 to Washington State.

Week 5 update:

-We lost our land to Clemson.
-BC and Pitt beat out of conference teams that had no land anyway.
-GT beat UNC, but gained nothing.
-Miami beat Duke, and gained four new territories. This also pushes our chance to take ODU's land out another week.

*Miami beat Duke

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Yup, and that's what I meant when I typed it, and don't know why my brain twisted it around. It has be edited now.

Week 6 update:

-Gained nothing from BC.
-Notre Dame beat UNC, but gained nothing.
-Duke lost to UVA, but at least they didn't have any land to lose.
-Miami beat FSU, who only had the land they acquired from WF last week, which included WF's original land, plus BC (which included Northern Illinois).
-GT did not participate in imperialism this week.
-Pitt lost to Syracuse, but at least gave them nothing.
-Clemson gained nothing from Wake, as FSU had already plundered it.

Other territory we could get in the coming weeks:
-UNC could gain the UConn land from UVA.
-If Pitt beats NC State, then Duke could take that.
-GT could beat Miami and push our opportunity to take that land another week (which would be typical, with that ODU land always eluding us).

Week 7 update:

-UNC, Duke, GT, and Pitt all lost, but still gave up nothing.
-Miami gained nothing from GT.
-UVA gained nothing from UNC, although I'm sure they were trying to provide fake land deeds or something.
-Clemson lost their empire to Syracuse.

In short, the possible territories for us to plunder in the regular season did not change in the bye week.

Next week, GT will get nothing from WF, and UVA will get nothing from BC. Duke plays Pitt with nothing on the line.

In short, the possible territories for us to plunder in the regular season did not change in the bye week.

I don't know why you left out Miami next week... They play Cuse and get all of Clemson's territory, and we play them shortly after. Seems pretty important change on the bye week

Week 8 update:

-The UConn territory shifted from UVA to BC.
-Pitt beat Duke, but nothing was on the line.
-GT did not gain anything from Wake Forest.
-Miami took over the massive Syracuse territory. This new combined empire actually contains all of the land that we gained or should have gained over the season. Our original land is there, as well as the WVU extension. The ODU territory that kept eluding us is there. The Clemson empire that we had a chance to plunder in September is there.

Wow pretty much all the teams we play won't have any land by the time we play them...

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Well, that is assuming they don't win some land back before they play us. Who knows, BC could make a deal with the devil to beat Clemson and then lose to us two weeks later? Then, even if we lose to Clemson, we get it all back.

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Exactly. UVa and UNC never had any land.

I would love to see this exercise run with varying starting conditions and win effects. For instance, what if the counties you lose were those farthest from your center and you only lost a proportion based on the severity of your loss? Then LOLUVa would slowly lose more and more of their outlying territories until we completely wipe them off the map after Thanksgiving. You could also do more dramatic losses for home games (like applying an RPI-esque adjustment factor for hom, neutral, away) so a loss at home means losing more territory than a loss on the road.
And then...oh wait.

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So, the last time VT ended the season with any land was 2008. (I am going with the official records for the 2011 season, because it looked like a fairly deep twisting rabbit hole that I would have gone down to figure out what we might have taken from Michigan.)

Following the loss to Miami, we won the final two regular season games, but gained nothing from Duke or UVA. BC had nothing left by the time we beat them in the ACCCG. However, Cincinnati had some land.

Way back in week 1, Texas A&M lost to Arkansas State, who later lost to Southern Miss, who lost to Marshall, who lost to WVU, who lost to Cincinnati, who held on to that land until the bowl game.

So basically, we ended up with Texas A&M's originally territory and nothing else.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Probably not.

What would our territory look like at the end of 1999 Nat'l Championship run?

Like a Seminole, no?

Non-existent. FSU took everything we had.

Going into that game, we would have had our original land plus the land from UNC (via Clemson), UVA (via Clemson), WF (via UVA), and Army (via WF via UVA). We actually didn't amass a lot of land because most of the Big East was kind of bad, or lost before we played them. Like Syracuse lost to Michigan in their third game, and then beat three more teams before losing to us. However, none of those teams had any land to plunder.

The post-week 3 map

shouldn't all of florida be #TeamIrma at this point?

but in all seriousness, Miami is 1-0 so should still have it's starting territory. I call shenanigans.

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Look at the starting map. Miami doesn't have a lot of territory to start with, due to the other schools being so close - mainly FIU, which is also in the Miami area.

oh I see. They still forgot UM's logo in everything past the starting map.

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I think they're saying that technically, Miami doesn't have any territory to even start with, because FIU is closer to all of the surrounding counties.

So, basically, Miami's a wandering band of stateless mercenaries, simply looking to plunder whatever they can find? Sounds about right.

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This may be the most perfect description of da u that I've ever read.

oh hey look, isn't that cute? LOLUVa has some land way up there in Connecticut. Too bad it will be long gone by the time we play them. At least Clemson and Duke (Duke?) are giving us something to play for.

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We shall acquire 6 new territories this weekend..

Did Klempson play Erie University or something? WTF is that up there above Penn State's territory in northwestern PA?

Kent State. Clemson beat them in week 1.

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Oh hey, will you look at that, Da U finally has some land for the first time this season.

Amazing what happens when you can actually play a game.

(Although, to be fair, they wouldn't have gained anything over that stretch anyway. Arkansas State already lost their land to Nebraska, and FSU had lost their land to Alabama. FSU wouldn't have gotten anything from ULL, as they had lost in week 1.)

I'm so disappointed by our territory loss.

Lol@Wazzu's territory spread

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I was expecting Oregon to take it from them next week, but the Oregon quarterback broke his collarbone this week.

So is there a way that VT can come back onto the map? or is it like when you lose, you're gone? Wondering about that UConn territory from UVA - can they only lost that territory if they lose to someone else currently on the map?

no, duke gets that territory this weekend.

Anyone who beats someone with territory gets on the map. Having territory is not a prerequisite for taking territory.

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This is a kick in the teeth, UVa and JMU have more territory than we do. We won't have much of a chance to get a handful of territory until the ACC championship game

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

May be able to pick some up from Miami.

to be fair, that just points to the simplistic model of this "competition." I've said it farther up, but a better format would reflect overall wins and the quality of said wins, not just lucky wins at key points in the season.

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After the defeat on September 30, our territory was taken by Clemson, who then lost their empire to Syracuse two weeks later.

That empire includes Clemson, Kent State, Auburn, Ga Southern (via Auburn), Louisville, Purdue (via Louisville), VT, WVU (via VT).

Syracuse did not have any of their own land to add to that empire.

However, next week, we will see a massive merger of empires as Syracuse puts that land up against the current Miami empire, which includes Toledo, ULL (via Toledo), Duke, Northwestern (via Duke), Nevada (via NW and Duke), ODU (via UNC and Duke), WF (via FSU), BC (via WF and FSU), Northern Illinois (via BC, Wake, and FSU).

So essentially, we can win back our land, plus A LOT MORE land if we beat da U

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I'm oddly motivated by this.

i think it's funny that, in theory, Miami could open with a FCS school and go undefeated and still end up with no land, provided each of their opponents lost the week before facing the canes.

Or we could just beat them and get the same result.

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