OT: 2018-19 English Premier League Discussion Thread

With the summer 2018 transfer deadline passing yesterday, the English season kicks off today with Leicester City traveling to Old Trafford to take on the Red Devils.

Feel free to use this thread to discuss game results and news for (mainly) the EPL but also other European domestic leagues as they kick off.

Also of note: COYG

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I am so pumped. Ever since the UCL final I have been itching to see the reds play again. The World Cup was nice but there is nothing like watching the EPL every weekend...love it.

Hoping my Huddersfield boys can stick around for another year.

Who should I root for since it isn't cool to root for Man City and Swansea was relegated?

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Fulham is the sexy pick this season

I'm excited to watch Tottenham. Never seen them play, but their roster looks fun.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Newcastle United! Intense fan base, fairly down right now because the owner won't invest in the club, but they have a great manager who gets the best out of his players. They have some very average talent, but Rafa Benitez got them to 10th last year. Go Magpies!

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Hot take here- Rafa is at Leicester City by the end of the year.

I wouldn't be shocked when he leaves. He's got to be frustrated with the lack of investment in better players.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I love Newcastle, but wouldn't want to subject anyone else to this misery. Newcastle have one of the best fan bases in the league though.

one of the best fan bases

That's the main reason I'd recommend them. I was so hopeful Ashley would finally sell the team last winter...oh well. But the moment he sells they will surge back to being a consistent top half club.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

If Mike actually gave Rafa the 50 million he promised we could challenge for Europe. Of course he figures if we can get 10th with that squad, why invest.

Just watch for a few weekends before thinking about picking a team. Read up on the history of the clubs that you find interesting a go from there. I ended up picking Liverpool a few years ago because they have had lots of success in the past, but not so much in the last decade or so (meaning it wasn't a bandwagon pick). The fan base has also overcome a tragedy, which draws them together, which as a VT alumnus I can understand. I enjoy Klopp's system of balls-to-the-wall attacking, and until midway through last season our defense was shit, which made for an exciting yet stressful match every week.

This. I did research for a few weeks before the epl season started after i graduated college. I intended on following Tottenham based off that, but it was very much in flux. As I started watching match weeks I felt this pull to watch Liverpool more. I kept changing the channel to watch Liverpool and I knew I was hooked when Liverpool and Tottenham played and I found myself rooting for Liverpool. As I have grown as a fan, I love the supporters, the history and like you said--they have experienced a huge tragedy which I can greatly empathize with.

Bottom line...you can "choose" your club if you desire...but a lot of times the club will choose you.

You could just root for city anyway, I think then and liverpool are the two most fun teams in the league to watch, doesnt mean I'm a liverpool fan though. I just appreciate entertaining soccer

If you're looking for a plucky underdog Leicester is always a good one. Fulham used to have a huge murican contingent and are a good watch. Wolverhampton might be fun to follow too

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Leicester is getting picked apart. Vardy is fun to watch but not sure how they'll fare without Marez.

Correy

No it's super cool to root for city :)

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perhaps this can be of use:

Chiming in late.

If you want, you can think of the cannon in Arsenal's crest as Skipper!

Also the parallels between Arsenal and Tech concerning the current coaching situation create a familiar feel.

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Yes it does. Wish Kroenke would open that wallet a bit more.

Correy

Palace. I'm an Arsenal fan but I like Crystal Palace. Their fans seem to be really in the games. Selhurst Park seems a lot like Lane. AND they have a pre game tradition with a popular song like the Hokies do(all be it a 1960's hit Glad all Over). If I make it over to London for a game I want to hit up Selhurst after the Emirates.

Correy

Spurs all day!

I'm pretty sure CYOG is NOT a thing...I've been to a few Arse games and I've never heard it. It's a Spurs thing, you don't want to copy your biggest rival.

Uh. It is a thing.

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YWNA's not a thing either πŸ™„

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

But YNWA is.

And so is COYG.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

How exactly does all this work (champions league vs whatever else)? I used to play soccer but never really got into watching it when I was younger and now I'd like to start following it more s because I want to expose my kids to it. What channels are games on? Is there a primer on how the leagues work? Who's the VT equivalent in champions league (i.e. team that always seems to be on the cusp but hasn't won anything yet)?

So every European country has their own domestic league. England, Germany, Italy, Spain and France are basically your power 5 conferences. The champions league is like the best of each league plus a few others in a grand elimination tournament.

If you like a team that is always promising but can never seal the deal like vt, root for Tottemham Hotspur of the English Premier league. The EPL is televised every weekend on NBC and nbc sports.

Also the MLS in America is usually on espn or fox sports

VB born, class of '14

All of the UEFA countries have their own domestic leagues. The bigger leagues like The EPL, get 4 auto qualifiers in. so the top 4 in the 17-18 EPL season make the Champions League Tournament. Additionally, the UEFA Euoropa Tourny winner gets in. The 5th and 6th place EPL teams make the Europa. I think the 7th gets to try to play their way in. Its set up a little like the World Cup with pool play, I think they play a home and home. The top 2 move on to the knock out phases where they play a home and home in each round except the championship round. The team with the higher aggregate score in the home and home advances. If there is a tie then the 1st tie breaker is away goals. Not sure what the tie breaker is after that,

Correy

Only caught the first half of the Man United-Leicester game today. As a Man U fan, I noticed they hardly used the right side of the field and constantly bunched up making it easy to defend. They kept playing impossible through balls on counters because they didn't have a player dominant enough to dribble for a long period of time (should be Pogba), and their passes weren't crisp enough to create any problems. De Gea was solid as always, and I was really impressed with the back line, especially Lindelof. Watching Luke Shaw put in the second goal was nice after everything he's gone through. Anyone catch the second half that can add anything?

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The negativity mou is oozing seems to be getting to the players with pogba who is usually quiet even say a few things today on how he feels so maybe mou could be out sooner than I hoped for.
Luke Shaw finally finds form and comes back from all the shit he's been through and you still jabs him and whines still cause he didn't get more signings and shoots more jibes at the board we are 1 game in and I'm losing any joy of it from this guy yeesh.
I'm calling it hes out by Christmas and carrick is interim till they find a replacement

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Honestly I hope Carrick can play some entertaining style and fix that team. Theres to much talent on uniteds roster to play the soccer you do. I respected yall when fergie was there but now you're just painful to watch.

Gimme an exciting manager with an exciting style

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I hear you loud and clear I love the club always have and I'll watch regardless but this guy is not man United at all and I can't wish him gone soon enough, at least van gaal wasn't such a whiner all the time I'm all in on anyone positive at this point my dream would be bringing in zidane at the moment I can't quite pick out who else is out there, sarri would've gotten my vote but he's at Chelsea unfortunately

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Giggsy now has manager experience. Would love to see him get at least a look when Mourinho leaves.

Does anyone have a good website for EPL news besides the official website? I find it clunky

Just listen to the total soccer show. You'll get a full soccer education, be up on the latest news, and hopefully laugh a couple of times.

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Second this, those guys are awesome. If you're into MLS and comedy check out the Cooligans too.

I google specific teams and you get several news stories for that team.

Correy

Respect to arsenal, excellent game and they look like a totally different team under Emery. If Leno can be even a respectable keeper they easily crack the top 4 and make a run at a cup this year

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Did you think Oliver missed the penalty on whoever wrapped up Mustafi around the neck?

Absolutely that was a pk, it was mendy

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They desperately need VAR for stuff like that. Sure some things are still missed or wrong, but substantially less things are missed

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Agreed.

My biggest takeaway from that game was that Sokratis and Mustafi played rock solid, which was never the case for our CBs last year. If we can get a little more form in front of them (Torreira looked fantastic when he came on, so that's a good start) then I think top 4 is definitely back on the menu this season, which is all you could reasonably expect in a transition year.

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Not sure why he didn't have Lucas and Lichsteiner starting. Guendozi looks like he may have a bright future (after 1 game of course).

Correy

I know this isn't EPL related but I figured you guys might know. So, the Mrs. and I got to sneak away for a movie (Incredibles 2 is awesome) and some drinks last night. Sitting at the bar and they had MLS games on. Is it a MLS thing or a soccer thing to list the Home team first? MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL on screen scoring is Away Team @ Home Team top to bottom or left to right. We were initially really impressed with the DC fan turnout in Orlando until we realized DC was home.

Run to Win. Pass To Score
Josh Jackson on Ricky Walker - β€œβ€œHe is the captain of this team, He’s the leader. He’s the bell cow, the Pail Holder.β€œ

Yes it's a soccer thing.

HokieSpider

I'm not the biggest fan of MLS, the quality IMO isn't there, but man, Mr. Rooney, I applaud you sir!

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Fantastic bit of play but good Lord the VAR took forever they ought to have a crew watching so the ref doesn't need to stop and check every time like they had it in the world cup.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

If anyone wants to get a little more soccer into their routine or wants to get up with the game and pick a team and is new the ESPN FC podcast is a daily bit to help ya along or for the junkies like me a little bit of goodness to listen to thats funny as well.

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Big news coming out of Manchester City...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45200783

KdB suffered a knee injury in training and could be out for over 2 months. Even as a Liverpool fan I hate to see this--KdB is so much fun to watch regardless of who he plays for...

only good news I can draw out of this is the extra time foden will see on the field now and the fact that bernardo is in great form. I hope hes ready to roll come december-Feb when champions league and the prem are in full swing. God this hurts

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Supposedly ACL damage has been ruled out. It is thought to be similar to his knee injury in 2016/17 which kept him out for 9 weeks. (Liverpoolecho). So at least two months but I would be optimistic he will be back before December.

But dang, Man City is so deep--I know this will affect you guys but not too badly. Your schedule is also mostly favorable during this time.

City's next nine league fixtures: Huddersfield, @Wolves, Newcastle, Fulham, @Cardiff, Brighton, @Liverpool, Burnley, @Spurs. Not exactly murderer's row.

David Silva didn't even travel to Arsenal. I agree and think City will be fine.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

wonder how long itll take debruyne to get back into form. City sources are saying its his LCL

word on the street is 3+ months

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I mean...yall handled arsenal pretty well with KdB on the bench. And yall hit 100 points without Mendy for pretty much the entire season. I want to say this opens the door for a legitimate title challenge, but I honestly think it doesn't really change the perspective too much.

Liverpool certainly has a shot. Looks like they've corrected some of the issues on defense and you beat City what, 3 times last year? I think Liverpool has a legit shot to take the league. Can't have any stupid losses or draws though.

Correy

That is 100% the key. Liverpool tied so many games. What City did last year was remarkable, not only because they hit 100 points for the first time ever in the EPL, but because they literally won almost every game. Defense and midfield has, for sure, been improved. I have been reading reports that Klopp is treating these 'pre-UCL' weeks a little bit like pre season with some more intensive sessions to get the team in proper fitness before the grueling schedule begins. As such it lends credence to why the team is a bit sluggish and rusty (in addition to some new players bedding in).

They have a real shot--100%. But like you said, no stupid losses or draws. We have had plenty of those and it will take time to get that eliminated from our DNA. It will take a few more of these 1-0 wins for me to feel more comfortable.

I am honestly trying to just enjoy each week without thinking of title implications. The Anfield Wrap podcast was talking about the nightmare scenario of Liverpool getting 101 points and scoring 100+ goals only to have city get 103 points. At some point we just have to enjoy that we are watching one of the best Liverpool teams in modern history (possibly even better than 08/09).

What a win for LFC yesterday. I feel like that would've been a match we would've conceded a late goal last year and came away with a draw. First time Klopp has won his first two matches in the PL. Alisson/Virgil/Gomez were amazing! The front 3 didn't have their best match, Palace was clogging the lanes really well, and closing out quickly. Great job by their backline for sure. Feel like this is a statement win. Two clean sheets to start the campaign, I'll sign up for that any day.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I don't think we would've won if Benteke wasn't playing...thank god Palace are still managed by Woy and that he paid us nearly 30m for the big Belgian. Not sure about a statement win, we did grind it out in an unspectacular way but I'll certainly take it. Firmino and Salah don't look quite right to me.

Didn't Roy Hodgson take over at Palace during last season? He certainly wasn't the one who brought in Benteke

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Benteke's been there a couple of years. he just can't buy a goal. He missed a couple of good chances this past weekend. Hodgson came in last season after Palace dropped their first 6 games and did a great job of saving them from relegation. It also helped Zaha came back too.

Correy

Honestly KH for me it's a statement win. It's a line in the sand that you can draw a clear distinction between our form at the beginning of last season and this season thus far. A big reason we didn't finish higher in the table last season was because of our keeper/back-line play, and the susceptibility to giving up a lead late in a match. We never seemed to be on our heels even though Palace came out aggressively.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

A couple things to remember:

  • Crystal Palace are big, physical, and tough to play.
  • The last time we played them on a monday night was spring 2014 and we all know what happened there :(
  • Last time a team created 4 "clear cut chances" (defined by opta) was 2015
  • Woy is Woy but Crystal Palace is a team that fits his bill to a T
  • Wan-bissaka is amazing. He was easily their best player. Salah and Firmino are rusty but Mane is sharp and Wan-bissaka did an amazing job containing him for much of the night
  • palace had three crosses that went across the face of goal and only one was remotely threatening. So although we didn't killl the game off with 3-0 or 4-0, the game was handled with a calm born from Alisson, VVD, Gomez
  • Midfield got tired but the Hendo sub was immense. He came in and took control

I think the line in the sand was drawn last year, however. Down a goal and kept fighting back and eventually won that game. The one thing liverpool haven't been able to do is win ugly and that game showed we have the physicality and mentality to win a game when the players are just not as sharp as the should be.

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I completely agree with all your points above. It truly was an ugly game that we pulled out with a 2 goal advantage. That's saying something. Felt like last season we would've drew even at 1-1 by the time the whistle blew at the end of the match. It would've probably been on a conceded corner across the face of the goal too!

Edit- In Klopp's own words during the press conference, he seemed to feel like this win was a big step too:

"...for us a big step, if you watch us a little bit more often you know, if we aren't brilliant we usually lose"

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I agree with Klopp's statement. Two years ago of Mane wasn't playing well or was not in the game we tied or lost. Last year if Salah wasn't playing well (did this ever happen?!) or if he was absent we would tie or lose.

Yesterday, against a prototypical Liverpool bogey team, Salah was rusty, Firmino was very quiet, and Mane was being held in check by a very brilliant Wan-Bissaka....we came out 2-0 and really never felt out of control the entire time.

The last time we played them on a monday night was spring 2014 and we all know what happened there :(

My oldest daughter was born. I'm pretty sure nothing else of note happened.

Wan-bissaka is amazing. He was easily their best player. Salah and Firmino are rusty but Mane is sharp and Wan-bissaka did an amazing job containing him for much of the night

Sakho was no slouch either. They played a very solid defense.

Alisson was massive. His distribution is a thing of beauty, constantly putting the ball right at an open man"s feet. Keita had moments of sheer brilliance to cancel out his mistakes. I couldn't be more excited for this team.

a really good goalkeeper makes a huge difference, super undervalued position. Evidence: Bravo to Ederson

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I will say I think it is a huge disservice to Alisson, VVD, and Gomez to say that we would have lost if not for Benteke. The dude can put his head like 12 feet in the air and VVD handled him. He only got one open look on goal and blasted it wide, and one header which was ruled offside because of Zaha and still was saved by Alisson. Any other striker would have fit Woy's system even less and been far easier suppressed by the defense.

And while I am at it...TAA had a woeful game against Palace last year with Zaha running circles around him. Last night Zaha was kept largely quiet and that was the key. Yeah it was ugly, yeah we didn't score a ton but last night....the defense won the game. When was the last time we could say that?

FWIW I think I'm now in the Mourinho out camp. I dunno.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Mourinho and Man U is to Al Groh and UVA to me....they are a perfect match and I hope they never change. But I know they will move on from him. I have bets that he won't last the season as much as I would like to see that happen.

You know as well as anyone the rivalry that exists between our teams...but I think Mourinho has to be my least favorite 'thing' of all time. He sits there and blows money at Pogba, Lukaku, Fred, Mikhtaryian just hoping something will stick. But then has the audacity to claim liverpool are buying the league when a lot of the money was reinvestment of funds from sales and champions league football. I don't mind a negative nancy, I don't mind defensive coaches...But I can't stand coaches who run their teams into the ground and act like a spoiled 4 year old while doing it.

If he lasts the season I'll be shocked but there's no way he's manager next season. I've seen rumors about Zidane joining. I think that might be a good fit. But ultimately this transfer window was a disaster and we desperately need a director of football. Ed Woodward is great at acquiring sponsors, but awful at dealing with transfers.

There's a ton of rumors swirling about Pogba going to Barca. Don't see it happening this window, but I think Jose goes before they let Pogba leave. Personally, I don't care about tactics. If we play defensive football and win I'm 100% okay with it. Obviously I'd prefer exciting football but if the results are there it doesn't matter. My biggest issue with Mourinho is he has seemingly alienated our best talent and perhaps lost the team. Pogba possibly wants to move, Martial wants out. Something has to change.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I agree I don't think he will last. This is classic Mourinho, year three. Alienates talent, loses the locker room, whines about it on TV. The whole Martial situation is nuts. I remember when he scored against Liverpool in one of his first matches and I was just so ticked off because we were really struggling for identity and it was clear United had found a super young attacking talent for the next ten years at least. Totally mismanaged.

I would be surprised if Zidane came--If I am the owner of a team his comments when leaving don't sit well with me: "...I feel it's going to be difficult to continue winning. And because I'm a winner, I'm going."

It sounds like he doesn't want to deal with adversity, he only wants to win. If adversity comes along (which it will, especially in the EPL) then he is going to be sour and want out. Not to mention he has to restore balance to the locker room, make signings that fit his style, integrate with the ownership etc. I am just not sure how successful he would be.

I think you're just saying they're perfect for eachother because you hate them. I mean I think mou is the anti united, and trust me I dont like united. When I think united I think sir alex and their attacking style not mouse siege mentality.

Its gonna be a really interesting offseason at old Trafford because I think they have some ground to make up between them and their rivals

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Exactly. Hate United, Hate Mou. I totally get Mou is oil and United is water....but it just makes it all the sweeter for me :)

#DontFireMourinho

They'll be parting ways sooner rather than later mou has burned his bridge with Woodward and I don't think he has the locker room anymore and this garbage between the scholes and that shit raiola is just more shit to listen to that shows how little under control this is

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Dude could win every game between now and May and it wouldn't be worth the soap opera bullshit off the pitch. Give Giggsy his shot.

So happy that Kane broke his stupid August scoring curse on Saturday. Spurs are looking strong so far.

Well we haven't played anybody huge, but i'm glad we avoided a traditional spursy start! If we can continue to get goals from people like Lucas, Trippier, etc it'll bode well

VB born, class of '14

Has anyone watched All or Nothing Manchester City on Amazon? It's pretty cool to see their style of play develop throughout last season

Oh I'm ready to binge the shit out of it once we finish moving

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First win under Emery! Still didn't play as well as you'd like, but baby steps.

I feel the substitutions were masterful, we looked sooooo much better once Guendouzi and Iwobi were changed for Torreira and Lacazette, respectively. As promising as Douzi has been, we play so much better with Torreira there and Xhaka is given the freedom to move up to his more natural spot.

And Ramsey is not performing to the level that would justify his wage demands, so hopefully something resolves itself there soon.

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This is the first game I've seen this season. Guendouzi is a major surprise, but his best position right now is also Xhaka's, and probably Ramsey's if I'm being honest.

Xhaka hasn't impressed me. I'm not sure if it's because he was miscast as a "defensive midfielder", but his positioning always boggles my mind and it's why he makes so many rash tackles.

Very concerned about Sokratis-Mustafi pairing. Yikes.

The balance looked much better with lacazette through the middle than when aubameyang was there. Maybe starting them both would take some of the pressure off aubameyang and get the best of both players.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I actually think the CBs have been pretty good. The defensive issues are in the midfield and fullbacks (Bellerin is massive going forward but is getting shredded in defense). It's no coincidence that our defense solidified when Torreira replaced Guendouzi, therefore allowing Xhaka to get out of the DM spot. Guendouzi is wasteful with the ball and asks too much from Xhaka, Sokratis, and Mustafi (as was Ramsey today tbh).

We need to start the players we finished with today, with Ozil in for Ramsey and Auba on the left instead of Dat Guy. Also would prefer to see Lichsteiner get some burn.

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Mustafi just looks so iffy to me, and has for a while. Agree about midfield being a key contributor to the centerbacks looking so exposed all the time though - just can't play Xhaka as the primary defensive midfielder.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I wonder why we haven't played Lichsteiner.

Correy

I think it's mostly down to the fact that the right flank is our most solidified attack right now with Bellerin and Mkhi tearing it up pretty consistently going forward. I think Lichsteiner would offer much more in defense, but I'm guessing Emery values that attacking threat a little more right now while Auba, Ozil, Ramsey, etc. are all getting their feet under them in the new system.

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Ugh....missed handball on the goal, clear PK denied... still got the draw but liverpool are gonna keep up the pressure this year. Can we all agree that VAR needs to be a thing at this point?

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Orrrr Mustafi getting pulled down in the box vs. City. Yeah I agree it's silly VAR isn't already in place.

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If you read the thread further up you'll see I agree with you. Dunno why were turning this into a pissing match

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We're not. Carry on.

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Willing to bet Var will be instituted by the start of next season at the latest

VB born, class of '14

I felt bad for Wolverhampton in the first half--their disallowed goal was as close as it gets (it was the right decision)...that goal almost never gets called off-sides.

But yeah the handball goal and PK things...VAR was voted to be held off for another year. There are particular clubs that benefit tremendously from not having VAR--the tall, bullying mid-table teams. Then there are other clubs who know they would benefit from VAR but the in-game management of the system is way to slow and disruptive. It will more than likely be here next season.

Another game, another question of var? Not entirely confident in the penalty given to Chelsea against newcastle

VB born, class of '14

Wasn't a pen in my mind but yedlin got a bit of karma for his elbow unfortunately I was loving Newcastle getting the result

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Fulham looking good today wish they'd have had that game on NBCSN instead of the Chelsea and Newcastle snoozefest

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

3 clean sheets and this fancy footwork:

Someone is determined to live up to their transfer fee. #Reds

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Spurs say what's up fam.

VB born, class of '14

seeing ManUre at 14th in the table going into September makes my nipples hard

If mou makes it past the Watford game I'll be stunned, into year three and his only tactic is throw felliaini up top not you know use rashford or change shape, just throw felliaini up top and pray for a draw.

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One of the things I have really enjoyed about Klopp much more so than Mourinho is the freedom he offers his players. It seems like Mourinho has always treated players like cogs in a system which is why he always has a three year collapse. No player (myself included, from many years ago mind you) wants to be on the field and see a possible opening but not play it because it is against the coach's rules.

As much as I enjoy (as a Liverpool fan) watching MUFC suffer like this...there is a part of me that sees what is going on and it just feels so wrong. This is not what Fergie built up, this is not how Man United is meant to play. As much as I enjoy ribbing my United supporting friends, this United side just feels wrong.

I agree with this. Unfortunately sacking Mou only fixes about half the issues. A lot of people want Woodward to be out of the football process and leave him to his commercial success (sponsors, apps, marketing etc) and to hire a Director of Football. I think should be the first move before we fire Mourinho.

From the start, Mourinho felt like a knee jerk hire because he was available. I was hoping we would get Diego Simeone. Alas.

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If I remember correctly, he was lobbying for the job after he was fired by Chelsea.

Correy

I think I read he was lobbying for it when Sir Alex retired too but Alex recommended Moyes.

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It was shocking to me--almost the same amount of shock as us hiring Hodgson. Neither fit the DNA of their respective clubs.

Sadly, I don't think the Glazers or Woodward care about United's DNA.

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That's the biggest issue I don't think the Glazer's give half a fart about it look at the way they run the dump in Tampa Bay. Think about it since Fergie retired the football has gone to crap yet somehow United are the biggest football club financially in the world I don't think they could care about it as long as Woodward brings in money who cares. If they don't hire a technical or football director to get him out of the football situation were done even before mou gets canned

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LFC top of the table at the international break. I'll take it, great start to the campaign. I simply need Becker to tone it down with the fancy footwork at the backline. I was so pissed that we wasted another opportunity at a 4th clean sheet. Hopefully he's learned that this isn't Serie A anymore. The next stretch of matches should really prove whether we are a for real or just a fraud.

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Couple observations and a little help from listening to TAW podcast:

  • Midfield play has been average at best. I think Klopp is implementing a slightly new system in that he values possession more than when Buvac was here. WIth that being the case it isn't as simple as bedding in Keita + Fabinho. The entire midfield is having to learn a bit here.
  • Becker's mistake. Terrible back pass from VVD, looking at the replay Leicester did a magnificent job of blocking every player Becker could play to, hence his cruff turn. I felt a little bad for Karius here as everyone defended Becker but roasted Karius/Migs for their mistakes. Bottom line is Becker is a 60m world class keeper--he will learn from this...see next point
  • Between the 2-0 Crystal Palace, 1-0 Brighton, 2-1 Leicester...one or two of those three matches end in a tie or loss last season. I was supremely impressed with the team after the Becker mistake. The buckled down, and Becker in particular responded very calm and collected for the rest of the game. As close as the past three matches have been--we've not really allowed quality chances for the opponents.
  • VVD also did not have a great game. Credit to Leicester, they had a great gameplan and executed well. Are we for real? Remains to be seen...but have we improved the squad? Absolutely yes. There is leadership, spine, grit, determination that has been missing. This team will improve.

4 wins and most liverpool fans are lamenting 3/4 of our performances. The team will return to full gear soon. I just hope it is in time for one of the toughest months of the season.

Great points VTAE, I've been underwhelmed by the midfield. I've also been disappointed that Fabinho hasn't made an appearance yet. I'm hoping that there is an uptick in performance as the schedule begins to get tougher with two against Chelsea, one against PSG, one against Napoli, and one against MC. It's going to be a rough go at it, from now until the first week of October for sure and we'll need great midfield play to counter those deadly attacking fronts.

I agree with you VVD pass was terrible, there wasn't much Becker could do with it other than kick the ball out of bounds and live to fight another possession. But that's the thing, he didn't do that, and it led to a goal. I feel like it's going to be a tough race at the top and I feel like goal differential will be a critical stat this campaign, and any time we can get a clean sheet we should fight hard for it. I was happy about the result, but that goal was tough to swallow.

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I've been disappointed to have not seen Fabinho either...but I think he is getting the Ox or Robertson treatment where Klopp will play him when he feels ready. Like you I hope that is very soon as we have some extremely tough and congested matches coming up.

As for Becker, with the way he plays, we all knew a mistake was going to happen. As strange as it sounds I am happy we conceded and happy it was a terrible mistake. Better now in a 2-1 win vs. Leicester than a 1-1 tie or 1-0 lose in the UCL or EPL in the coming months. If we had gone 4 without conceding Tottenham is our next. If we somehow made it 6, then Chelsea would be next. I would be worried about the flood gates opening. So yeah, it happened, he showed in the game he was no longer going to be fancy so I expect that to continue.

Yeah Lloris was out of the match as was Alli, but 5 W's is still 15 points. Great way to start the 2018 campaign, YNWA

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And this is a foul by Firmino...SMH

Shit gets real in October

Not premier league, but Christian Pulisic looks world class and is a scoring threat every time he touches the ball in this game for Dortmund. And then he just scored on a great run. Dude is good, wish we had players on the US team that could allow him to shine and also allow him to play the same role on the national team.

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I'm really excited about this next generation, I think theres some serious talent coming up soon

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Kids killer in FIFA 19 as well I really hope he reaches big heights to help grow the game in the US even more

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I think LFC will look back and value that 1 point against Chelsea. It wasn't pretty, the front 3 are really pressing, but depth will always keep you in a match, and I really think LFC finally has some depth at multiple positions. It certainly didn't look that way during the Cup match, but today it showed. Daniel with a beautiful top corner bender. Props to Alisson too, when you get beat by Hazard, you just tip your cap, but Alisson played an incredible match to keep us in the game. This is a tough stretch, and we still have Napoli and Man City to go before we get back to playing some mid-table teams, but this stretch will continue to define us, I hope we'll keep fighting through it.

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Having Sturridge healthy and playing well has been a huge boost

I'm beginning to feel like I've seen this season already from United except this is even worse than anything I've seen even worse than LVG and Moyes this has been a bad week for sports

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I mean as bad as it might seem it's still equal to moyes start. I do think mou needs to go, and frankly I'm enjoying it while it lasts because we all know united will get it together. To much money and to big of a brand to fail. Theyve gotta get rid of Woodward though, he just gets in the way so much

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I dont think they need to can Woodward we just need to hire a Technical/Sporting Director to run the football side of things and keep woodward out of the football decisions the guy has a crap United team making loads of money which is always good he just hasnt a clue about football. Bring in a Tech director then let him hire a new manager.

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sure that, I just meant get him away from personnel decisions for the most part

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Yeah he was dumb for hiring Mou. And if he fires Mou he'll hire Zidane. Splash hires all around.

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I'm still curious if Zidane was a product of the gobs of talent at madrid or how much he brought to the table because so many times it seemed like they were being outplayed but then bale and ronaldo or....literally insert any player here on their roster.... would do something incredible and theyd win the game. You absolutely cannot argue with 3 straight CL cups though, at that point you're not lucky you're just good

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We might be about to find out.

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when you listen to Berhalter he talks like a coach, not a national team coach ... but maybe we need a coach there because our talent still requires coaching up

Zidane was probably a coach (youth teams), but a guy who knew intuitively how to transition into coaching a team with the oversize inflated egos and oversize inflated abilities... very hard to find both things in one person... was it the mad respect the guys had for him (mebbe the GOAT) or is he soccer's Phil Jackson... I dunno

I see Liverpool and Man City played to a draw today.

dreadful match...they canceled each other out. I turned if off with 10 mins and apparently missed a terrible Mahrez penalty. The equivalent of VT 0-0 Wake.

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Unai Emery quietly has Arsenal on a 9 game win streak. We're still playing with the fluidity of Wengerball but we're more pragmatic and aren't losing games to teams we should beat. Really happy with the direction of the club right now.

And Lacazette is a machine.

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I'm really happy with how well Holding has played.

Nice to know if Kos comes back healthy we'll have 4 dependable CBs.

I'll say this, at least watching United these days in entertaining as it can be one team is always destined to play well usually not United unfortunately

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Awful news after the Leisester City match today.

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Origi of all people. It's really somewhat poetic, I thought he was looking pretty solid up until Funes Mori crushed his ankle a couple years ago, he's never looked a threat since. Credit to him for staying with what looked like a dead play to end the game.

Agreed! So happy for him, was glad he got to hear the Kop chant his name.

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He really should've scored earlier, but chuffed for him, I really expected big things from him after the 2014 World Cup when he looked world class in some of Belgium's games. Sadly, I dont think his future lies at Anfield due to embarrassment of riches, but hope he proves me wrong. We didn't really deserve this, but I'll take it after all the bad luck last season.

When I look at Liverpool, part of me thinks, wow great place for Pulisic. Another part of me thinks he is a little guy who gets by on quicks in the German League where guys are bigger a little slower. Not sure the English League is a place where his advantage will transfer (would certainly be diminished). He would have a tough line to but into in the midfield. Can't see him displacing a central defensive middie, maybe he splits time with Keita, but Keita would probably get more of the time there. Probably have to go outside with the kid, where you can talk shit about Milner but he consistently gets the job done and can probably come inside as well as out. So you have guys like Winaldum (sp), Shaqiri. I could see them getting rid of Shaqiri, but we don't know who he even is yet... at Stoke he was a selfish prick... if he can turn up a new side of himself, he might be really hard to displace. You have Adam Lallana sitting the bench but often on the gameday sub list.... AL reminds me alot of Pulisic.

If Dortmund is a scrap for minutes, I can't see how Liverpool is anything but a risky next step for the kid. I get that Klopp may think his fluidity and skill on the ball will lead to a more effective offense for his strikers, and maybe his is right. But wow... I don't know Liverpool that much. Maybe they would play him up top as a winger / central striker?

Watch the first 20 minutes of the second half of USMNT-England...He will be fine. He stood out way above the rest of the players on the pitch.

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Can't see him displacing a central defensive middie

That's because that's not the position he plays. While he often plays centrally for the USA (because they have few other players who can do it well) he plays as a winger for Dortmund. His best position is probably right wing, so that's where he would likely play at Liverpool (although I don't really watch Pool).

Personally, as an Arsenal supporter, I selfishly hope he stays at Dortmund so I don't have to watch him play for rivals like Liverpool or ugh...Chelsea. And I know there's no way he's coming to Arsenal

Just don't think as he plays smaller players he has the burst you look for in a winger. I think he should focus on the middle of the field positions (even playing central forward might work for him).... yes he may have to go lateral or even back (leaving Dortmund for lesser team), but you can differentiate what he has in the middle of the park with skill, deftness and insight. Not so sure he is a dominant winger. Maybe for someone who relies on going wide a lot, which you could argue the US should do with a 4 2 3 1 or something like that. I love the kid, just think as a winger this is the start of a trend of him getting passed. Hope I'm wrong. Mebbe he hasn't worked on explosiveness or hasn't gotten his man strength yet. It can be hard when you're caloric expenditures are so high. Him taking some time off not a bad idea last year. Might want to consider doing it just to train for explosiveness and see what that does for him. Even sitting the bench he should be killing it in focused explosivness training, IMHO.

I understand what you're saying, but there are so many different types of players at winger now. It's no longer a question of speed and explosiveness. Some coaches prefer wingers like that, some like wingers who will drift inside and play a quasi-CM role. Often coaches like to have one of each in the 11 to keep balance. So, while you are correct that he doesn't have the speed or explosiveness to be a traditional winger (Bale) he can still be very successful at that position.

Not saying he is on this level, but Neymar is an example of a winger who is not particularly fast or explosive but plays on the wing.

Didn't know so many Tech people were into the EPL, nice.

Unai Emery ran circles around Pochettino tactically today. Hard to see how Arsenal could have done any better after Wenger. Torreira is a flat out dude on top of that.

Man that game was so so sweet after all the punditry ridiculousness beforehand. Dier made it all the better with his stupid "shhh" gesture after their first goal and prior to the (iffy at best, eat your heart out Mike Dean) penalty to go ahead.

Best game I've seen from Kola and Auba in a while too. North London is red!

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Did you see the stat that Mike dean has called over 6% of all of the PKs in EPL history?

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The most fraudulent of all the bald frauds. Although Spurs had about a blatant handball as it gets. Easy call on the pen.

I think he wasn't referring to the penalty given to Spurs, when Son was "tackled". There was clearly no contact.

I'm honestly shocked Arsenal won a game officiated by Mike Dean. He's the Ted Valentine of the EPL.

Bad look for Spurs IMHO, then Poch goes on the warpath about the opponent celebrating. His team got owned except for Son's completely ridiculous one after the other flops that Dean went for. How these refs don't look at the tape and decide Son won't get the benefit of the doubt from me again. I dunno. Only way to hold the flopping down IMHO, make these guys play with some integrity. And it cuts both ways there were some no touch fall downs on the Arsenal side as well. But I dunno maybe Dean loves the drama of a floppy game decided by him.

Poch better up his game or he's going to end up in the Spanish League, if he is lucky. You can argue the personnel has been stagnant and maybe it has, but that team looked like it was very comfortable with the performance and the coach.

lol pochettino had a bad game for sure but:

1. he was resting players, probably overly so, who had played alot of games in the past week-10 days. should've made changes at half clearly
2. spurs won't fire him unless the bottom falls out
3. he started coaching in la liga with espanyol and if he goes back it would be to one of the top 4-5 teams in the league

spurs sit above their two main rivals at the moment and I think it's likely it finishes that way. spurs lost to arsenal at the emirates last season around this time and still went on to finish 3rd

Didn't mean to say that Poch was a bad coach, but I think he has been played the fool... by not forcing Levy to get him a couple critical players, he will be gone before summer's end. Your not just a coach, you gotta manage up when you have an independent GM / ownership. Its probably too late to now think, yes lets go bit against ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool who are all going to be aggressive in the window. Levy and Poch just don't have it and Poch will end up getting a much better offer to coach better players. Its a shame for Spurs fans.

I think ManU is seriously thinking about Poch. How often does JM's agent talk him up? Gotta be embarrassing for JM.

Poch 4 me is the best coach in the league. One or two of THE RIGHT players would push spurs over the top. Who knows maybe Poch and Levy are just waiting for those players? And feel totally comfortable with the situation?

Something 2 stagnant about the situation... just see him elsewhere in the summer window. ManU should make him the offer he can't refuse... its a crap hodgepodge of a team, but Poch could make it work. Madrid might be a better talented team, more pressure but less of a hodgepodge.

Spurs are where Arsenal was several years ago and everyone was upset with Wenger for seeming to be content with top 4 finishes. When you build a new stadium and have to spend within your means, you aren't really able to compete in the market. I don't expect many top tier managers like Poch to stick with that situation for as long as Wenger did, but there might not be much Spurs can do about it anytime soon.

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Prior to this game, the stat I saw around a lot was that Dean awards the other "top 6" teams a penalty once every 5 games, on average, whereas he was giving Arsenal a penalty once every 21. He's been on camera celebrating a Spuds goal while on the job. When I saw he had the North London Derby again, I figured we'd see some fishy stuff.

VAR can't come about quickly enough for me.

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But surely when you say other "top-6" teams you can't be including Liverpool in that. Tottenham received more PKs at Anfield in 15 minutes than Liverpool did all last season.

I actually don't, it's become habit to say "top 6" when talking of the group. Dean isn't actually allowed to ref Liverpool games and has only done 3 in his career.

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I figured--now that Arsenal has some fast, high flying attack you may see a similar thing. It feels like referees look at teams like that and figure they are bound to score a few so it is easier to not call a PK...drives me up a wall...Salah against Everton was grabbed in the face and pulled down in the box, no call by the ref...It gets old

The match wasn't pretty, but this sure as hell was:

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4 touches and 15 seconds from Alisson to the back of the net, beautiful.

That was as close to a LFC goal last season, as I've seen all this Fall/Winter thus far. I think a confident Keita is the difference maker, I'm hoping he can build on this man of the match performance. Hoping Joe G is ok....

EDIT: DAMN! Gomez out 6 weeks with an ankle injury, ugh, that sucks so bad for the kid

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He's the business. And to think we haven't played anywhere near like the spring and we're sitting in second with our best league start in history. And we've won the league 18 times. Exciting times. Imagine if we finally hit our stride.

I wouldn't say it is so much that we haven't hit our stride as much as we are still adjusting to the drastic changes Klopp has demanded. Last year it was full throttle from the opening minutes and you could see in the spring we were getting tired around 70-75 minutes into the game and by the end of the season, the team looked really gassed.

I believe, especially with the defense we have to lean on, Klopp is pushing for a bit lower tempo, control the game, slow it down, and hit hard on counter attacks. It isn't the high powered, heavy metal football that we all love...but it is a clear sign that Klopp is maturing and understanding the EPL better. I firmly believe we will see the tempo pick up as the season continues on as more of our players will be better rested.

Keita has started to show me he needs to be a week in week out player. The midfield should start with Keita and then depending on who we're playing/tactical reasons we fill in 2 of Shaqiri, Hendo, Gini, Milner.

I will throw up if I have to watch a midfield of Gini Milner Hendo again its so meh with all the sideways/backwards passes with no one trying to take on a player forward.

It's clear to me, just like last season, that the midfield to start will not be the midfield to end the season. I could see a couple different options but what excites me most is Keita - Fabinho - whoever else...Ox, Hendo as a box-to-box, Gini... But it is clear Keita and Fabinho are the sort of midfielders Klopp is looking for.

That said, if Origi is truly back to full fitness and in good form, I think we could run a mean 4-2-3-1 with Fab-Keita as the pivot and then Mane, Firmino, Salah with Origi up top.

THat formation, to me, is killer because you can put on Ox, Hendo, Gini, Milner, shaqiri for Origi and switch to the 4-3-3. Each sub would bring a different dynamic to the team. Or Solanke, Sturridge, Shaq, and Ox can come on to keep it a 4-2-3-1.

edit: tl;dr yes--i want to see keita regularly

Arsenal @ Man U was a total shithouse of a match and Rob Holding probably tore his ACL, but I suppose a point coming out of Old Trafford is not the worst thing in the universe. That honor goes to Fellaini for pulling Guendouzi's hair and getting away with it.

Feel so bad for Holding. Thought he was getting better and better. Hopefully it's not that bad even though Emery confirmed it was a big injury.

Honestly that game right there just shows you how much Xhaka means to our midfield. He has been, no exaggeration, world class for us this season and it's flying relatively under the radar. Torreira was the catalyst for that and has been doing incredibly himself. Couldn't be happier with our form at CM right now, especially as it seems Guendouzi will be a world beater one day if he keeps up his progression. Kid's 19!

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Sometimes I feel like people forget that City is still playing like this with Debruyne. They are a well oiled machine

yes, well, when you are backed by a billionaire, middle-eastern royalty, global petroleum owner....and have a squad net worth approaching a billion dollars... it would be a absolute shame to not continue winning when a good player is not on the pitch.

Lol I'm not even a city fan but u mad bro?

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Not by City, no. The squad they have, the football they play it really is great--and I prefer blue to red in Manchester anyways.

But when Liverpool go down 1-0 to Burnley, the fans on reddit (very toxic, I know) go into a meltdown about how Klopp has lost the plot, and moaning about players playing out of position, the season is over etc. And then we win 3-1 and all of a sudden it's a title race again.

I just have to chuckle at the city fans who get frustrated when other city fans have forgotten about KdB. Like...your team so good that you have forgotten about a super star, meanwhile at Liverpool we have people melting down, in the middle of the best start to a season in our 126 year history, when we go down a goal. It literally made me laugh..sincerely wish we could be in a place where we laugh when on of our best is missing and we are still so good we forget about him.

Ahhhh very well, I see your point now! Agreed

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Easy there nobody's hands are clean anymore from the silly money I'm a United fan and hate city with a passion but you can't deny the job the big bauld fraud is doing on the blue side of Manchester minus his best player for most of this season

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Thank you... I mean you can hate on city all you want but they've done it this year with several players out and pep deserves some serious credit for that. Mendy has missed a lot of games, de bruyne has been out, kompany has missed some games, our backup goalkeeper has been out, sane had some injuries earlier this season, kompany has been banged up (as always)...I mean the injury list has been insane and to be able to plug and play...pep deserves some serious credit

If it really was as easy as spending money QPR wouldnt be bottoming out and united would be challenging city (no offense hokienator i know youre a united fan).

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I am not hating on City by any means--100 points in a season in the EPL is flat out ridiculous. And it looks like if my reds have any chance at the title they have to get 101. My point was just--I can't imagine what it must be like to support a club and become miffed that some fans have forgotten about a player of KdB's caliber because the team has gotten on so well without him. I mean the squad is worth over 800 million and the owner has invested well over a billion dollars into the squad alone.

The fact that there is not a steep drop off when KdB is injured should not be a surprise. Man City has well and truly established themselves as the English version of Barca, RM, Bayern Munich, etc.

Does money equate success? Not necessarily--what City has done well is buying players that fit the system. Unfortunately that is what has done United in...Mourinho and a couple transfer just don't fit together. The end of the Brendan Rogers era for Liverpool was much the same...buying Benteke and Firmino, and then doubling down with Rickie Lambert, Mario Balotelli etc....

But you can't ignore the fact that money does win titles. Chelsea had no history and were bought by Abromovich, and boom--immediate success. But since being purchased in 2008, Man City have finished 10, 5, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 1.

So like...I get it money doesn't necessarily equate success but relating Man City's 17billion dollar networth owner to QPRs owner (who Man City's squad is worth more than) and Man United who are spending buckets of money putting square pegs in round holes...it doesn't necessarily add up.

tl;dr I am not disrespecting city--spending money needs intelligence and they have done it very well. If i was a city fan who had a billion dollar squad and the drop off was substantial from starters to bench--i would be mad. Instead the Watford game saw: Silva, Fernadinho, Silva, Mahrez, Aguero, Sane with Sterling, Jesus, and Gundogan on the bench...that is an unreal squad right there.

Fair enough but to be quite frank I dont think I've met or spoken to a city fan who has forgotten debruyne, we are ecastic for him to get healthy and were heartbroken when he got hurt again. I have no idea who you're talking about regarding him

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Here's a fun fact: Citeh's owners first wanted to buy LFC but the bid was unsuccessful...they then moved on to the blue half of Manchester. We ended up with hicks and gillette....and almost went into administration.

Needed auba to kick ass against United this last game day flry fantasy team and to help push mou out the door and instead a 2-2 that was weird as hell with both teams gifting each other offsetting goals

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As a neutral, this Chelsea / Man City game has been scintillating, tactically and in quality

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Didn't watch today's game, but very impressed with the Chelsea coach. Team plays like they fear him (think a bunch are looking for work, wanna look good for a transfer) and I think he knows what he is doing (ball is moving faster, guys playing more for one another, no scoring yet but that comes with time). There will be transfer window turmoil, but if he can get past that with players he wants, they will be competitive. Right players and some creative offense and they're going to be in the top4.

I was a Blues fan today that's for sure, LFC to the top of the table, last undefeated team in the league.

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Tottenham Hotspur, only team not to draw in the league!

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You are welcome Liverpool fans

We reallllly missed aguero today, good game blues

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Preface: With no intent of this conversation going political

What are your thoughts, soccer fans, of the Sterling incident this past weekend?

I'm a LFC fan, and I know, no club or culture for that matter, is innocent of some form of racism in their past, by player or supporter. But just would like to hear the thoughts on the board. A conversation across "club lines."

This video almost brought me to tears, you can hear the pain in Earle's voice.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Holy shit I had no idea about that Daily Mail story. That is pathetic. It reminds of this story written by United fan site Rebulik of Mancunia.

I know a lot of folks here don't like United and may think this story is biased, but it's thought provoking and highlights a lot of what Sterling was saying.

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/powerful-pogba-and-unintelligent-lukaku/

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It truly is pathetic. I hate hearing about the racism in the sport. I think that was originally one reason I was hesitant about becoming a soccer fan early in my adult life; I felt like the American sports weren't as BLATANT about racism (i.e.: see banana peel throwing). But another part of me said, my "half glass full" self wants to believe that racism is a small percentage of the common soccer fan. I just hope that UEFA/FIFA really try to get out ahead of this injustice. Soccer is such a beautiful sport that truly is loved by the entire world. ALL should have the ability to enjoy the sport without fear of persecution simply because of one's race.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

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"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

wrong thread, ya silly head

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I noticed that after I posted it, oh well, my squad is in the PL I guess that counts...lol

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]