OT- UCF and national champs (vent and opinion thread)

good morning hokie nation! so as im sure most of you have heard by now UCF dawned themselves the national champions after winning the peach bowl over an auburn team that defeated both teams actually playing in the national championship today. UCF went as far as to have a parade celebrating their championship and the administration even paid all the coaches a national championship bonus (a group of coaches which are ALL I mean every single one of them, the whole staff, headed to Nebraska with scott frost). The reason I bring all this up is because ive spent the last 72 hours in Atlanta home of the national championship game surrounded by bulldogs and elephants.

I support UCF I coached a kid the last couple years in highschool that played for them this year maybe you've heard of him maybe you haven't ottis Anderson a true fresh that actually turned in a dang good year for the golden knights at slot/rb so anyways long story short yesterday I had a pretty full slate, me and my girl (whos currently in Atlanta for work as a state farm field adjuster) woke up at the crack of dawn and headed downtown to centennial park and the Mercedes Benz stadium for a 5k associated with the national championship. ill be the first to admit I did not pack well for this trip. the temp was something like 20 degrees when the run started at 8am. I was layered up with about everything I brought that I figured would be decent for running in, so I had on some nike tights and sweats and nike compression shirt a t-shirt and a UCF long sleeve t shirt on top. The run went pretty well I mean didn't break any records or anything but we had a good time and finished with a decent time considering neither of us run very often. After the run was over we hung out and went to the NC fan zone and tailgate central for the day, they have a ton of games and prizes and free give aways, concerts, and plenty of food and alcohol being served. it turned out to be a pretty good day despite the temp never getting over freezing all day.

Going into the weekend I was fulling hoping for a UGA beat down of nick sabans tide. 1 I don't think they should be there since they didn't even play for their conference championship and 2 ive just had enough of them winning and the entitled arrogance of everything the crimson tide put off. My feelings have since completely changed. I probably got about at a min and this is NOT an exaggeration 30 sarcastic high fives and congratulations on UCFs national championship from ONLY UGA fans, not one Alabama fan said anything to me. now maybe that's because they don't even care about the smalls schools and kinda just laugh it off on the inside like pshhhhttt why waste our breath with them I don't know. I didn't really respond much to the ribbing just kinda laughed it off and gave the old that's right national champs baby back. wasn't in the mood to get into anything with a bunch of drunk folks over a team that isn't even my team obviously im a hokie. But talking trash to someone about their "national championship" before you've won one yourself made me chuckle inside.

Whats everyones thoughts on this subject? should UCF have gotten a shot? ive had this debate and I do believe that the 4 BEST teams are in the playoffs and I don't honestly know how you can take bama out or if you would take someone out who it would be? Clemson lost to an unranked Syracuse but Kelly Bryant was hurt and they beat auburn who beat the 2 SEC teams that got in. OKLA lost to Iowa state but they ended up having a pretty decent seaon. UCF will never be a team that is at the top consistently enough to warrant a playoff bid based on pedigree but they premise of the playoff is the 4 best teams "this year" I don't see how the little guys will ever make the playoff no matter how good they actually are. me personally I think the playoff has to go to 8 teams. having 2 sec teams and one that didn't even play for the conference championship in the national championship is a debacle.

anyways... its a slow time the off season is already here I don't even know if ill toon into tonight but I wanted to share my experience and hear everyone's thoughts on the whole UCF national championship and the playoff picture and all things in between.

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I think they have a legitimate argument. I think too many people get tied up in the G5 P5 mess. This has been argued to death, but I believe we need to have at least an 8 team playoff to allow teams like UCF to play their way into a national title. They won every game they played, tried to improve their schedule by including two P5 teams, and ended up beating an Auburn team that I think the bowl committee set up as what they thought would be a consolation loss. If they can't contend for a championship, then to me the system needs some work. Until then, I don't see an issue with them claiming a national title. It's been done like this numerous times before.

I'm with you. Move Regular season down to 11 games max, 10 if a school so chooses plus conference championship week. Add preseason game 2nd week of August, which would be the cupcake FCS all teams schedule anyway. 8 Teams, ACC, SEC, B1G, PAC-12, Big 12 Champs. Highest ranked G5 team and two AT Large bids. 1st round games, higher seed hosts, semis and championship go to Bowl Games.

Based on final CFP rankings, seedings would have been...
1 Clemson vs 8 UCF
4 Alabama vs 5 Ohio State
3 Georgia vs 6 Wisconsin
2 Oklahoma vs 7 USC

I like those games

If it was 8 teams we would have seen Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Penn State/Wisconsin, Miami.

I could even see UCF being left out with 16 teams: Clemson, Miami, VT, Oklahoma, TCU, Oklahoma State, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, Washington, Stanford, Notre Dame.

Unless there's a mandatory tie in like there is in basketball, the G5 will just get snubbed.

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I don't see the playoff expanding to 8 (or more) without a promise that a G5 team gets in. Or at the very least a guranteed spot for a G5 team that finishes undefeated and/or in the top 10. Personally, if the Playoff is to expand, I'd like to see it get no bigger than 6 teams. That way you have room for the top 5 conference champs and one more at-large. (again, with a stipulation that an undefeated or top-10 G5 team won't get snubbed.)

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

and 1 and 2 get a bye week? or 5 and 6 have a play in game? either way i don't see how thatd be fair to the team that had to play the extra game. that's why i think you need the nice even 8.

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1 and 2 get a bye. Or you could look at it as 3-6 and 4-5 having play-in games. Either way, if you don't think that's fair, earn the 1 or 2 seed.

I think 8-teams really dilutes the playoff and risks devaluing the regular season. One of the things I like best about college football is the sense of urgency when (nearly) every game matters if you want to win the championship. If you let Iowa score their entire season's allotment of points on a single afternoon, you're done. (looking at you, Buckeyes) If I had my druthers, a conference championship would be a prerequisite for making the Playoff, to be honest, but that's just a pipe dream that'll never happen, I'm sure.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

I derive a lot of pleasure from UCF hocking a loogie in the eyes of the NCAA and CFB world at large. I also feel there needs to be an expanded playoff. 12 teams feels right to me with P5 and G5 champions and 2 at-large teams with top 4 ranked teams getting a bye.

If teams claiming NC's like UCF is how we get to that, I'm good with it and hope it keeps happening.

The players and the presidents, and basically anyone actually involved in actual college football things don't want an expanded playoff. And they all have very good reasons that I'm too lazy to include here but are easily google-able.

What will really get interesting is when the top athletes start skipping the playoffs to avoid injury and begin prep for the combine.

The only way to avoid the kind of garbage CFP game that we have this year is to make the playoffs P5 conference champs only.

I do not understand why the committee doesn't value conference championships over everything else. We play in pools of common opponents all season long. This is the clear cut way to rank teams with the conference champion being the best of that pool going to play the champion of the other pools. The eye test and comparing strength of schedules just seems complicated and stupid. And this would put the blame for not making the playoffs on the team instead of a shadow organization. You want to play in the playoffs to be names the national champion? Win your division and conference first.

Recruit Prosim

The college football championship model is a garbage model for determining a national champion.

130 teams across 10 or so conferences compete for 4 lousy spots to compete.

Because of this, the championship (in its present state) will always be held captive to some degree of subjectivity.

That said; the best 4 teams are likely competing for the National championship this season. Unfortunately I don't see a way a G5 team will ever be able to earn a seed in the playoff. Even Boise, after a run of top ten seasons, only had an outside shot for a National Championship Playoff spot (had the 4 team format existed at the time). The Advanced metrics and eye test just don't physically bend far enough to show that a team playing a G5 schedule can compete with the top P5 teams.

I'm all in on this UCF hype train, though- they're playing this masterfully. They even outKiffined FAU in what FAU tried to claim was "their state". Outstanding.

I don't know what the solution to allowing half of the teams in FBS to actually compete for the championship (expanded playoff, relegation, split P5 and G5 into 2 separate levels...), but embarrassing shit like this is going to fix the problem a lot quicker the more it comes up. UCF couldn't have played this any better. Bravo, Citronauts.

You do you, UCF. The irony of Alabama fans getting been out of shape over a team supposedly falsely claiming a national title nobody recognizes is not lost on me.

This is why I say everyone needs to follow the Bama model. Have an undefeated season, or a season where you finished class to the top? Recognize that title, baby! VT should research it and find some back woods newspaper who said they were the best in the 1918 undefeated year and claim it. It's what the big boy programs do.

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I'm not a fan of the UCF antics at this point...claiming a National Championship was fine. But how do you say with a straight face that you're not trying to disrespect Georgia and Alabama, then schedule your parade for the same time as tonight's game to try and upstage the Championship game? Complaining about the process or complaining about the committee is all fine and dandy...but don't go out of your way to step on fans of the two teams that are left. I live in Georgia and I'm pretty happy that my friends and neighbors of the Bulldog persuasion get to experience this, like I did in '99. It just seems low class to see UCF and Frost continuing to try and rain on their parade.

As for the playoff participants, I think the committee got it right. Is an undefeated season special, regardless of who you played? Yes, absolutely...but the SOS numbers for the top teams were all vastly better than UCF, so I can't really see any justification for dropping someone just to get the Knights into the playoffs. Especially for the precedent it would set. All it would really do is send a message that an undefeated team, regardless of who they play, would get a ticket to the dance. At that point, would a G5 team with a FCS OOC schedule make the cut in another year? Why not?

UCF's SoS was 39th. That's not horrible, and better than Oklahoma's (43rd). Granted, UCF's games against Maine and Georgia Tech were canceled due to the hurricane, but they had a chance for a statement win early in the season. It's not their fault Mother Nature stepped in.

As for raining on Georgia and Alabama's parade, word is that at least one of the computer rankings the NCAA recognizes for claiming national championships will name the Knights their #1 team for 2017-2018. That actually legitimizes their claim, even if they aren't playing in the supposed national championship game.

And, yes, I said supposed. The NCAA doesn't sanction this game tonight and will recognize North Dakota State as the college football Division I national champion for this season. UCF is simply taking advantage of what the NCAA permits for the IA/FBS level and even going so far as to pay their coaches (including Frost) their bonus for winning a national title. Until the NCAA comes up with something that says "this is the only national champion we recognize for FBS", this will continue to be an issue.

Whatever system ranked that SOS is on fritz. Oklahoma played Okie St on the road, Ohio St on the road, TCU twice, and I believe at least one or two other ranked teams. There is no chance in hell UCF's schedule was even close to as difficult as Oklahoma's. What an absolute joke.

It's called how SoS is calculated. SoS does not use the name of an institution to determine strength, it uses the team's win-loss record. How many times do I have to say that? It's the same SoS every other sport at every other level uses. The joke is you guys don't understand how SoS actually works and just see names of teams.

It's the same system that ranked the Hokies with the #2 SoS in 2007 despite that the non-conference portion included a 6-6 Ohio, 8-5 ECU and 4-7 William & Mary and a 1-11 Duke in-conference.

RPI, otoh, weights where the game is played but still uses a variation of the formula below.


The 2017 New England Patriots's schedule had a combined record of 111–142–3 (a win percentage of 0.439), and their wins came against teams with a combined record of 93–129-2 (a win percentage of 0.424).

OR = opponent's win/loss record excluding their game against you
OOR = opponent's opponent's (including you) w/l record excluding games against that opponent.

They need to revise it then, because Oklahoma had one of the more impressive schedules in the country. I could give a flying F if UCF beat more 9 win G5 teams. Oklahoma went on the road and beat Oklahoma State and Ohio State, who are significantly better than any team UCF played during the regular season. Their only P5 win was over M A R Y L A N D.

It's a formula, how do you revise a formula to take in "name of institution"? Is it their fault they can't get P5 schools to schedule them, especially given how many years in advance football schedules are set? Is it their fault their other P5 game (Georgia Tech) got canceled due to a category 4 hurricane?

Is it their fault they can't get P5 schools to schedule them

Well, they were scheduled to play Texas this year, but backed out.

Boy you really killed me with that sick meme...

However, you can revise the formula by finding a better way to weight the wins of different teams. G5 teams aren't recruiting anywhere near the level of P5 conference teams, why should every win be weighted equally when the on field product in the P5 is much higher on average than the G5? Do you think a G5 win is equal to a P5 win? Do you think a win over Virginia Tech is equal to a team beating Southern Miss? No, you'd be insane if you did, so you have to find an effective way to weight those wins so they aren't counting for the same value within a formula.

So if you want to honestly believe that UCF's schedule was better than Oklahoma's, be my guest, but as mentioned below, there are multiple other SoS ratings that have them ranked very poorly. So really, you're just cherry picking the SoS rating that best fits your narrative.

He isn't cherry picking a SoS formula that fits his point. Strength of Schedule is literally calculated the exact same way across every sport. The ratings you are referring to are not Strength of Schedule, but some other formula that introduces some measure (even if minute) of subjectivity. Ex. RPI, etc.

Here is one that has UCF with a better SOS than every team ranked ahead of it:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/3/16556844/college-foo...

You seem to be arguing Strength of Schedule vs. Quality of Schedule. Teams like Oklahoma and Alabama get dinged in Strength because they play some real dogs on their schedule in addition to the handful of ranked teams. Yes Oklahoma played 4 really good teams, they also played like 4 teams with a combined 6 wins among them for the entire season. When 33% of your schedule is dogshit,that's gonna kill your strength of schedule, and it has nothing to do with a system "being on the fritz"

Their only P5 win was over M A R Y L A N D.

And A U B U R N.

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...In the regular season, which is what I have been talking about this whole time, but yes. They did beat 10-3 Auburn on the same day that Alabama beat #1 ranked 12-1 Clemson.

That type of calculation only works when there is a high degree of interconnectivity between opponents. College football is highly insular and reliant on extremely small sample sizes. The fact that every other sport uses it is a huge red flag that it is a bad metric for college football.

Those four that you mention are all the ranked games Oklahoma played, excepting the Rose Bowl.

Of course, we have to counterbalance those four ranked opponents with 5-7 Tulane, 1-11 Kansas, 1-11 Baylor, and 0-12 UTEP.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Guess we will just have counterbalance that against the zero ranked P5 opponents UCF played in the regular season.

I'm replying to your assertion that Oklahoma's schedule this year was all kinds of impressive. My comment had nothing to do with UCF.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

UCF's SoS was 39th. That's not horrible

I guess then it comes down to who's numbers you use. Sagarin has their schedule ranked 72nd, Massey has them at 64th and Football Outsiders (the one I trust) have them ranked 108th.

As for raining on Georgia and Alabama's parade, word is that at least one of the computer rankings the NCAA recognizes for claiming national championships will name the Knights their #1 team for 2017-2018.

Wolfe's ranking were used by the BCS calculations, not as a recognized selector...his #1 selections (i.e. Utah in 2008) aren't going to be noted anywhere but on his website.

The NCAA doesn't sanction this game tonight and will recognize North Dakota State as the college football Division I national champion for this season.

But the winner of tonight's game will be added to this list, which probably makes it as official as it can get for this season.

Interesting take, but I disagree. UCF isn't stepping on any fans here, just tooting their own horn. Will their parade hurt those other fan's feelings? Nope, don't think so, but also don't care a lick. I believe their disrespect is firmly aimed at the system and while scheduling is certainly an issue here, it doesn't mean that UCF wouldn't have beaten those chosen for the playoff, which should in the end produce an uncontested champion. We'll just never know, will we? The only fans who will have their Championship game upstaged are those UCF fans who feel the disrespect personally, and choose to have fun with their party instead of watching tonight's contest. Why should Georgia or Alabama fans be worked up over this? It shouldn't impact them at all. They are the ones who will be getting the bulk of the attention if they win. They are the ones who should be showing some class and humility about the situation, in my opinion.

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I think it's hilarious and UCF has all the right in the world to do all this stuff like the banner and the parade, but I don't think for one second they have any legitimate claim to a title with that absolute joke of a schedule they played. They aren't even close to the most impressive undefeated G5 team since 2000. Some of the Boise and TCU teams had MUCH more impressive schedules and much stronger claims to have been given a shot at a championship, hell, even Houston a few years ago was a much more impressive team with better wins, even with one loss. In an 8 team playoff, sure, give UCF a shot as an undefeated G5, that's all good, but no way you play that cupcake ass schedule and get to cruise into the four team playoff over teams who played P5 conference schedules. UCF only played Maryland.

Peter Wolfe's computer rankings, which were part of the old BCS, disagree with you on their claim being legitimate. As would the NCAA since his rankings are ones the NCAA states can be used to claim a national championship. As could the Anderson & Hester rankings (currently 2rd) and Colley Matrix (currently 2nd) depending on how things shape up tonight. That would be three ranking systems the NCAA recognizes for claiming a national title.

I too read the college football reddit.

I don't care about the obscure rankings systems people found to say UCF will be able to claim the national championship. I'm fine with UCF claiming so, but it doesn't mean I have to take it seriously.

I may be wrong, but wasn't the 2004 Auburn team (Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Campbell, etc.) undefeated? The team we played in the Sugar Bowl? If so, that's the most talented, "shitted out of a NCG" undefeated team ever.

FWIW the National Title game was between USC (undefeated) and Oklahoma (undefeated). Auburn was #3 going into the bowl games, and ended up #2 in the final polls.
Btw, Utah was also undefeated that year.

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I love it. The NCAA is the king with no clothes.

Does UCF belong in the final 4? No.

Does the NCAA need a legit tournament? Yes. A then beaten up Bama team got a huge pass not playing UGA in Dec. If you can't win a division, you don't belong in the final 4.

Well, now we get to see who wins the game. And I hope it's UGA.

Love it. UCF having transitive wins over both teams playing for the CFP final, being undefeated, and not even qualifying for the CFP and then just claiming a nation title is the most college football things ever. And that's why we love college football.

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I don't give a flying fuck about having "the best teams" in the playoff. We may very well have a "National Champion" this year that couldn't win its own conference. And Alabama may very well be the "best" (read most talented and best coached) team in the land. But they didn't fucking earn that shit this year. It was a product of the current system.

So, we currently have a system where teams that don't earn that shit can win it and where teams that win every game will never even get a shot.

FUCK THE SYSTEM! HAIL, OUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, UCF!

And if their claim brings about a change to the bullshit system, all the better.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

We may very well have a "National Champion" this year that couldn't win its own conference.

... again.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Very true. I was only speaking of this season. And it isn't so much that I have an issue with a team being crowned National Champion without winning it's conference as it is that the current system means there are teams that will never get a shot, period.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I'm with you.

I'm just pointing out that the system hasn't progressed that far from 2011 after all.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I know. They replaced a shitty system with a slightly less shitty system.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

APFOW speakin that dam truth!

Preach, brother!

We may very well have a "National Champion" this year that couldn't win its own conference division.

We should go back in time and give the 1980 Olympic hockey gold medal to the Russians.

I, for one, welcome our new Golden Knight overlords

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

You're talking about Las Vegas. In that case Damn straight they can be the overlords. /s

Spiral out. Keep going

UCF, UCF, UCF!

In all seriousness I think Baker would have thrown for 700 yards and the Dawgs would have rushed for 500 on them. However, they went 13-0, and in my opinion there should be a 6 team playoff with a bye for 1 & 2, and UCF should have got their chance.

Instead, what has been accomplished? I am not saying any of these teams are elite, but they scheduled Maryland and Georgia Tech this year (GT got cancelled due to the hurricane, that's some shit luck), and played a pretty good Memphis team twice and good Navy team. So there schedule wasn't great, and even if they had that GT win, it wouldn't have mattered much to the playoff committee in my opinion. I base this on the fact that in week 14 rankings have UCF tightly packed around 9-3 teams, including 9-3 Stanford ahead of them.

UCF opened up the checkbook for Frost to stay, and lets hypothetically say that he did stay and lets roll this forward. WHO WOULD WANT TO SCHEDULE UCF MOVING FORWARD AMONG THE POWER 5? What possible benefit could that have on your schedule? So now you are stuck in a catch 22 whereby you need to win to get into the playoff, you need to schedule harder teams to boost your OOC SOS, but the top tier teams don't want to schedule you because if you win, you should have, and if you lose, you lost to a team you should have beat best on the committee's rankings.

Parade on UCF, parade on! Take the national exposure and use it to keep building the program, because well, you went 13-0 and that is really hard to do.

@hokie_rd

ESPN had an article about self proclaimed NC's... Happened more so in the distant past, but there's plenty of blue bloods that have done this several times...

Expand the system to 8. Power 5 champs. Highest ranked G5 and 2 at large. Play ball.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21954302/ucf-not-first-s...

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#JustinTime

It's too bad that there is no working example of a completely deterministic method for selecting postseason teams that the NCAA could just copy. Nah, let's stick with a selection committee instead!

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

College football doesn't have a playoff. It has a four team invitational tournament. They can call it whatever they want to, but in every organized sport in the world, a playoff has automatic bids to the division or conference champions within that particular body.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

8 team playoff. All at large bids. Zero guidelines. Selection committee does not release rankings until after championship weekend when they announce the playoff field. At which point they all enter the witness protection program never to be heard from again.

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Then you'd have the top four teams from the SEC West, the SEC East champ, last year's Alabama team for the purposes of redemption, whoever from the B1G, and Notre Dame.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I would absolutely love to be able to look into an alternate future where VT is 11-1 with a reasonable loss to an undefeated Miami on the road, perhaps with us down a few key contributors, like say, 4-5 of our starting linebackers and a starting safety, and us be a team that gets into the playoff with the best team we've had since Michael Vick. I can assure you all these conference championship only truthers would be very quiet if we were the beneficiary of this situation. [Similar to how] nobody was complaining when we got the Sugar Bowl after we lost the ACCCG.

edit: Changed "Just like" to "similar to" as I agree the are not exactly the same.

when we got the Sugar Bowl after we lost the ACCCG.

That's so different and irrelevant that you actually lose your only good point by spewing this.

Sure it's different, but it doesn't alter my first proposed scenario at all. I doubt you, or anyone else, would be fighting against our legitimacy over 5-10 different threads on this board about how we don't deserve a shot at a title

I also doubt that you would be fighting against our legitimacy if we lost out to Bama being 12-1 ACCCG winners because they "looked" better than us? Or, you know, we'd be bias because we are fans?

We wouldn't lose out to bama being 12-1 ACCCG winners, at least not the last few years. That hasn't happened to anybody yet. The only conference winners that have missed out in place of a 1 loss non-conf champion are 2 loss Penn State, 2 loss Ohio State, and maybe 2 loss USCw (I honestly don't remember how many losses they had but I know it was greater than or equal to 2 both of the last two years). Now, this excludes the more confusing 2014 year. IIRC, Baylor and TCU had the same record and split the Big12 title while Baylor had the head to head win over TCU, BUT they had a tougher decision to make because I believe all the teams involved were conference champions. Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, FSU, and Baylor/TCU split.

If were were 12-1 ACCCG winners we would be in Clemson's spot (maybe not #1), but we wouldn't be the team getting passed over.

but we would lose out if we were 12-1 with a loss to 1 loss (non conference) UM team on the road by a FG and then they lose to an undefeated Clemson in the ACC championship game leaving UM 11-2 Clemson 13-0 VT 12-1 and guess who gets in. 12-0 UCF? no. 12-1 VT? Nope. Clemson whoever wins the SEC no matter what the record because there will NEVER be a playoff with out an SEC team and a 1 loss/undefeated BIG team and 1 loss/undefeated BIG 12 team. then we would be on the outside looking in, in almost any scenario you put together an ACC team has 1 loss and doesn't play in the conference championship.

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Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I mean if you want to shift things around and get really specific you can make any scenario have someone get in or get left out if you can shift and alter all the pieces. 11-1 Alabama would have been left out this year if there was one simple change, Ohio State beats Iowa. I was just answering the question posed above me.

I don't know about the future, but you could look to the past and see almost this exact scenario play out in the year 2000. F$U lost one regular-season game that year (to Miami) and yet was selected over Miami to play in the MNCG. Slight wrinkle in that both teams were conference champs, but you would think the H2H win would have definitely gotten Miami in over F$U.

Anyway, had there been a 4-team playoff that year, it's highly likely that VT is the 4th team in, much like Alabama this year, even though we lost to Miami and therefore did not win the Big East.

And you're right, in that scenario, not one Hokie would have complained and advocated for Washington, the 1-loss PAC12 champ who also beat Miami.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

I say whatever sticks it to the ncaa! Have at it Golden Knights.

Meanwhile in C'ville this morning:

Year 3 is coming up!

Unfortunately only 2 people showed up. And they were just there to get coffee.

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No, those were a couple of winos out of money looking for Zima since their Sterno cans were empty and there was just nothing else to drink.

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Alabama did not win their division, let alone their conference.

The team that won Alabama's division? Auburn.

I wonder what team just recently beat Auburn by two scores. Interesting.

So does this mean VT can claim the 2015 title since we beat the champion?

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Often resulted in overwhelming consensus that the title truly belonged to Wake Forest.

We tired to.

We put the K in Kwality

mission completed

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I continue to make that joke. Usually in conjunction with bitching about how JT Barrett has gotta be 40.

I've been cutting back on the drinking.

I more or less fully agree with the OP. As for self proclaimed NC's, it happened a LOT throughout the 20th century in CFB. UCF wants to claim an NC, let em, especially because they might not have much to cheer about after Scott Frost and co. leave town. If it makes some fans of "elite" teams salty, even better.

edit to add: I wish both teams would lose tonight.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I wish both teams would lose tonight.

As the lesser of two evils I'm rooting for Georgia and the Beamer family to get a ring. But both of them losing would be my preferred outcome. Fuck bama.

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do i hear a seven hour hyper local power outage that throws the whole thing into disarray

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I don't understand being butt hurt about what UCF is doing. They would probably beat us this season, so I don't think we have the leverage to hate on what they did this season.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I love what UCF is doing. They talked lot of shit and backed it up. They're the Conor McGregor of college football and I'm entertained I don't know why people are so worked up over it honestly, they're just having a little bit of fun. Plus the parade, national banner, etc is giving them increased exposure, who knows if that will impact the CFP comittee's decision to expand the playoffs, but it should be expanded to at least 8 teams IMO. All 5 P5 conference champs should get in + 3 wild card spots. If G5 teams can't play for the chance to win a national championship, even after going undefeated, then what are they playing for at all?

Playoffs will be expanded to 8 teams in 2020, which happens to coincide with the end of the current 12 year T.V. deal.

Leonard. Duh.

Good on you Scott Frost.
Good on you UCF.
Good on you Golden Knight football team.
And good on you everyone that showed up to celebrate one hell of a season of football they had!
Keep on keeping on.

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College football has been played for 147 years and in those years there have been 248 national championship claims. What does one more hurt? Since there is no official NCAA FBS national championship I have no problem with UCF claiming one.

Whadya mean I can't take off my sweater? I'm HOT!

They have a rational argument, but if they're the national champions, why is their coach leaving for Nebraska?

$$$$

yeah, I knew that would be the first answer. But if UCF could really beat everyone else on a consistent basis, the money would start to flow there.

+ probably the fact Frost grew up in Nebraska and played for the Huskers as well. But the money was probably the #1 reason

why is their coach leaving for Nebraska

Because Mama called.

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There's been so much debate....I apologize if someone has suggested this already.
If you consider the P5 Championship games (10 teams) and the one or two others considered each year (theOSU and UCF this year), we actually have a 12 team playoff. Win your league and/or have a good enough season and you're considered for the final 4. The conferences get their championship game money and we get some drama around who the final 4 could/will be.

Until there is an NCAA-recognized FBS champion, I fully support UCF in their quest to run with this joke as far as possible.

My opinion is that UCF has every right to claim a national championship. The NCAA doesn't have to officially recognize it. But if schools like Pitt can claim to have 9 national titles when 8 of them came when college football was the wild wild west in the early 1900's, UCF can claim the 2017 title when they did everything that could possibly be asked of them.

Until there is a system that takes away the bias of a very specific group of people and allows for every FBS team to have a clear and legitimate path to winning a national title (automatic playoff bids for conference champs and the G5), schools like UCF should do what they can to shake up the system.

I don't like this being in the championship without being a champion situation. As a matter of fact the best way to do it IMO would be to take the 4 highest rated conference champions and BAM! there is your playoff. You won your Division, you won your Conference. You earned the RIGHT to be in the championship playoff. then put conferences against eachother. So instead of it being just about the schools it could be a battle of the conferences year in, year out. IDK. I'm sick and I don't know if any of this makes sense.

It is a natural gift I posess to create friction in sensitive situations.

Seriously, though, how would UCF have faired against Bama & or UGA??

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well they faired pretty well against the team that beat both Alabama and UGA.

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I figured French could do an accurate prediction for it.

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I think they would have faired pretty well against Bama, they seem to struggle against spread teams with a good mobile QB. Idk if UCF could have purely outscored UGA though, after watching the way they adapted to OKLA in the Rose Bowl.

think they would have fared pretty well against Bama, they [Bama] seem to struggle against spread teams with a good mobile QB.

Thanks. That's interesting, but does that mean they (UCF) would've won?

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In my honest opinion, UCF would have beat Bama in a really tight game. I also think they would have lost to UGA since it would have been a tougher matchup for UCF. But we will never know.

In my honest opinion UCF gets beaten like a drum by both teams.

You mean like the team that beat both of them?

Well I'm not stupid enough to use transitive property to determine football matchups. Football is a game of matchups, and I just don't see UCF's offense doing much against the healthy Bama defense we saw in the playoff. I also don't see UCF stopping Alabama's running game, throw the revelation of Tua at QB in there and the margin gets even bigger.

Well I'm not stupid enough to use transitive property to determine football matchups.

You mean where I said they would lose a tougher matchup for them against UGA?

Bama shut down Clemson and to an extent UGA. Neither are true spread teams with a good mobile QB. The one matchup against a that type of offense did not fair well for Bama. But since you're so smart I'm sure you already knew that.

Edit: in fairness, Clemson is kinda a spread team and Bryant is mobile. But they aren't the caliber of UCF on offense.

Outside of Clemson and UGA having better athletes at every single position on offense.... They also played a bunch of power 5 teams and not Maryland and a bunch of G5 teams. Sure UCF had a good game against Auburn, that isn't enough for me to be certain they beat any of the playoff teams or any of the teams ranked ahead of them except maybe Miami, who I do not think is a very good team. UCF has some danger on offense with Frost and some good athletes, but it's not the same as going 60 minutes with Alabama's defense hitting you on every play. Clemson didn't have any games where their offense looked even close to that hapless. Not hard to imagine UCF having a pretty rough day against that defense either.

Fair, Clemson did struggle offensively against them, they also played very conservatively as it became increasingly obvious Auburn wasn't going to score (similar to how Alabama played in the 2nd half against Clemson).

But here's another thing to consider. UCF has the 59th ranked rushing defense, playing against only 2 P5 offenses. Alabama has the 13th ranked rushing offense playing against mostly P5 teams, including Clemson and Georgia. That looks like a pretty solid matchup for Alabama's offense, and as I said before, I'm not sweating their defense against UCF's offense at all.

I mean they didn't exactly look all that good against Syracuse, either.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Also true, they should have been able to run the ball better on Syracuse regardless of Kelly Bryant not being healthy. I don't think Clemson's offense got into gear until later in the season, but they definitely finished pretty strong on offense until the Bama game.

well you wouldn't see tua in a close game so in your initial prediction bama beats the like a drum tua is irrelevant. the crazy thing in the whole thing is bama's defense was only healthy for the playoff run because they had extra time off because they didn't have to play in the conference championship game.

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You're right, Alabama only won because they got an extra week off, just like Ohio State last year when they beat the brakes off of Clemson...wait. That had no effect on the timetable of the injuries their linebackers suffered against FSU in the first week and against LSU. Like are you kidding me? They would have been healthy for the playoff regardless of if they had played the conf championship. PLUS they lost another linebacker in bowl practice, Dylan Moses, anyway.

They would have been healthy for the playoff regardless of if they had played the conf championship

You do not know that. Nor do you know how UCF would have faired. All I know is that Bama didn't win their division. And btw, the team that did got smacked by a team you're continuing to shit on.

Smacked

Interesting considering they lost by a touchdown and had the ball on UCF's 21 before throwing an interception. Would you say we got smacked by Clemson in the ACCCG last year, because that sounds reeaaalllyyyy familiar?

Also, keep bringing up how they beat Auburn or how Alabama didn't win their division, neither of those things has ANY effect on whether or not Alabama would beat UCF.

Also, keep bringing up how they beat Auburn or how Alabama didn't win their division, neither of those things has ANY effect on whether or not Alabama would beat UCF.

Yes we did get smacked. We made a hell of an effort to get back in the game, but we were down 21 at one point. Clemson never trailed, Auburn only lead 3-0 and were down 14 with 5 minutes left. (Btw, kinda defeats your bullshit effort argument against Auburn, does it not? Add it to your bullshit Clemson offense is dominant argument)

Idk why you think you have made any clearer points as to why Bama would have beaten UCF. Your eye test holds no water since after multiple back and forth-s with you, I'm not sure you know as much about football as you want people to think you do. I know I don't so I go with objective measures like division titles and head-head matchups.

1. I never argued that Clemson's offense was dominant but they did play well at the end of the season and they absolutely have more talent than UCF at every position on offense (and so does Georgia).

2. Weird argument about what is and isn't getting smacked, while I agree that we had to fight our way back into that game, if it's a one score game with a chance to win or tie at the end, no matter how you spin it, that's a fairly close game. Same goes for Auburn, hard to argue they got smacked when they had a chance to tie deep in their territory late in the game.

3. While I do openly subscribe to the eye-test (which resulted in Alabama winning a National Championship), so far I've also brought up the numbers like rushing defense vs rushing offense, which is even skewed in UCF's favor because they have been playing mostly G5 teams as opposed to Alabama and it still looks like a huge mismatch in Alabama's favor. Alabama is at or near the top in every defensive category and metric, period.

4. This is just getting absurd now, you cannot honestly believe that Alabama not winning their division has any effect on whether they can beat UCF in a football game. Does somehow UCF winning a G5 conference mean they are better than Alabama who lost their division? Winning the ACC sure didn't help Clemson when they played Alabama, and winning the SEC from the weaker side of the conference didn't help Georgia when they lost to Alabama. This absolutely no bearing on two teams lacing it up on the football field.

5. Yes Auburn beat Alabama, and UCF beat Auburn. You know what conclusions you can draw from that? I'll help you:
a) Auburn beat Alabama
b) UCF beat Auburn

That's where the conclusions begin and end. Clemson beating Auburn and Georgia beating Auburn (the second time) didn't have any effect on their games with Alabama, which they both lost.

While the a and b statements above are objectively true, they are not an "objective measure" of who would win another football game using the transitive property (which has never, ever, ever, ever, held up in football or any sport).

6. Quite frankly, I don't care how much you think I know about football, so you can take personal shots all you want, but it doesn't make the two measures you are using in this argument, Alabama not winning their division, and the transitive property, any less irrelevant.

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1. And yet both of those more talented teams put up less points against the same opponent, in three chances no less.

2. Prevent defenses will give up yards. Shrug.

3. It also led you thinking Ohio State was good last year. Congrats on your coin flip. Also, Auburn ran for 78 less yards against that UCF defense you think so little of as compared to the Bama defense. And UCF put up 20 more points against Auburn. But I look forward to your eloquent deflection.

4. Its hard to beat the same team twice. Look at UGA-Auburn. Bama got rewarded for not winning their division and not risking injury or loss in a title game. It absolutely is a reason for them to be healthier and better suited for the playoffs. I never said, or if I did I did not mean to say, that it helps Bama win in this theoretical matchup directly.

5. Compared stats against the same opponents is where I draw my conclusions. But sure, keep deflecting.

6. Your first response: "I'm not stupid enough". Kettle meet pot.

I'm very, very done with this conversation. I'll let my last post speak for itself. You are free to keep believing that UCF would win a game against Bama.

Listen dude. I'm willing to give you that UCF could keep it a close game with Bama, but they would REALLY have to be taking it easy & for granted in order for that to happen. I rather doubt it. Just because UCF won the game vs a detached & uninterested Auburn squad, doesn't mean they'll beat Bama. You know if Auburn showed half the interest, they would've beaten UCF.

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You know if Auburn showed half the interest, they would've beaten UCF.

That is unequivocally not true. This whole Auburn didn't try narrative is horseshit. They scored first and unsuccessfully tried to fight back into the game. All markers of effort.

Perhaps I should've been much clearer. I didn't insinuate that they weren't making any effort. What I'm getting at is they weren't putting forth their BEST and MAXIMUM effort (though I'll acknowledge they put more effort as they tried too get back, albeit too little too late). BTW, I'm not attacking you OR you're opinion, just trying to have a discussion.

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"Auburn ran for 78 less yards against that UCF defense you think so little of as compared to the Bama defense"

Oh come on. UCF gave up 91 more yards through the air than Alabama. So how about we don't pick and choose only stats that support our argument.

If you watched the games that Auburn played against Bama, UGA x 2, and UCF and you are still making this statement about rushing yards then you are being disingenuous, at best. Auburn's offense clearely revolved around Kerryon Johnson. He injured his ribs and shoulder in the fourth quarter of the Iron Bowl. He was healthy for the first UGA game and most of the Iron Bowl. He was severely limited in the SECCG and he was clearly not 100% in the Peach Bowl.

Healthy Kerryon:
vs UGA part 1: 32car for 167yd, 2rec for 66yd and 1 TD
vs Bama: 30car for 104yd and 1 TD, 3rec for 21yd, and he even threw a TD pass.

Injured/Limited Kerryon:
vs UGA part 2: 13car for 44yd, 2rec for 1yd
vs UCF: 22car for 71yd and 1 TD, 1rec for 6yd.

How about using your eyes to look for facts instead of fights.

FWIW, I love that UCF is claiming a National Championship. Claiming Championships is part of college football and they have a legitimate case being the only undefeated team left.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Oh come on. UCF gave up 91 more yards through the air than Alabama. So how about we don't pick and choose only stats that support our argument.

he gave rushing stats that he clearly didn't look into against similar opponents. shrug.

and.... its almost as if having to play that extra game didn't help Kerryon get healthy? interesting.

You do realize you just criticized me using the end of season stats (larger sample size) instead of using your one game sample size comparison, right?

Did Clemson's comparative numbers against Auburn help them on the field against Alabama?

you used a per game stat to say that UCF's defense could not contain a running game. I was simply informing you that they held Auburn to less rushing yards than Alabama's did.

As for clemson, their offensive comparative stats held true. shrug.

You know what conclusions you can draw from that? I'll help you:
a) Auburn beat Alabama
b) UCF beat Auburn

Best point in this whole subthread. Every dog has its day. UCF may have come and played lights out, or they may have gotten bitch slapped by Bama (the more likely of the two scenarios IMHO). We just don't know ultimately and never will. Bama is the champ. UCF is not. Simple enough.

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Play nice children!

I'm all for them arguing that they deserved a shot. Am I saying they would've had a chance? Nah, not even close. But this all could've been avoided by giving them a spot. But, cash (TV ratings) is king. Auburn looked like they did not give a flying donkey's left nut to be in the Peach bowl.

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FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

How dare you suggest that Auburn didn't care about that game as much as UCF! Are you insinuating that they might be disappointed that they were one game away from being in the playoff and the consolation CFA bowl was a lose-lose situation against UCF where nobody cares if you win but everyone gets to freak out about UCF if you lose??!?! You do not support my fight against perceived injustice and now I insult you!

-everyone on reddit, lots of people on this board.

You aint kiddin.... Its quite comical.

I don't comment on stuff like this much. But living in FL, I've had to hear about UCF Every. F ing. Day. for 2 weeks. Pretty done with it.

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FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

I live in the Florida Panhandle, and nobody here has ever heard of UCF.

"Roll Tide" is the standard greeting here.

to me that argument is all fine and dandy for the fans they are the ones who "don't care about a meaningless game". but when you step on the field you don't think about that stuff. you play and coach to try and win the game. your practice may not be as intense leading up to the bowl game but that's on the coaches and players of THAT team not the team you play against I don't see anyone on this board giving VT a pass after the UM loss when we didn't have much to play for anymore. we pretend that were going to play for 10 wins and the commonwealth cup and blah blah blah and all these other things but after the UM loss the ACC championship was out of reach as well as the playoffs for the most part and that's your argument as to why auburn got beat. im not buying it. Don't go on one thread and talk about our bowl game in a manner in which we care about the game and results and things that happened on the field and then on the next thread say auburn didn't care. its not a lose lose for them, youre in the almighty SEC 2 of the teams you beat playing for all the chips little UCF should be a pushover. it shouldn't have even been close. they don't belong on the field with you. all the other arguments. auburn didn't play like it. Stop giving teams passes for not showing up. because another team did.

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Yeah, they totally just mailed it in, being in a NY6 bowl within driving distance from campus. Those seniors didn't care about going out with a win and the coaching staff didn't give a rats ass about that NY6 victory bonus check. And the administration certainly didn't care about the merchandizing opportunity of selling a win in the Peach.

Yeah, they just mailed it in. It's really only the logical thing that applies, because as we all know, the publicly approved better team always wins.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We did exactly this in 2007 against Kansas, you watched us do this. You watched one of the most determined and never give up teams we've ever had after the first BC loss come out flat as hell against Kansas and look like a totally different team than we saw the second half of the season. How the hell can you possibly just pretend that there is no possible way that played any factor in this. How can you act like missing a shot at a national championship for an increasingly meaningless bowl game couldn't have an effect on someone. That's just completely reductionist, humans are more complicated than that.

It probably did, but it is ridiculous to use one team's lack of "want to" as a derisive point against the other team.

"Oh that win doesn't count because auburn didn't care and UCF did!"

I say if that's how Auburn felt, screw em. Don't even lace em up if that's the case. Their lack of mental fortitude is not and should not be used as a knock on UCF, nor should it even be considered in a ranking discussion, as there is absolutely no way to prove or quantify it.

Seriously man, you just make excuse after excuse for teams that are "better" but don't actually prove it. We lost to Kansas in 2007 because our moron OC forgot that Ore was beasting Kansas on every touch and he stopped giving him the ball. "Want to" had nothing to do with it. We got outcoached. If Auburn thought they could just show up and win against a very talented team, or they just didn't care either way, then that is their problem. Shit, a kid with one freaking hand was lighting up that Auburn offense. Did he want it more!? Yeah of course he did. Doesn't diminish his effort and result if the other side didn't

I think Alabama proved it, pretty clearly at this point.

If you think Auburn wasn't trying you didn't watch that game. They gave a damn, and they played a good game, they just got beat by a better team.

FWIW. We used to bitch slap UCF regularly.

Year 3 is coming up!

Not worth much, because EVERYONE did that.

I was in Orlando for our game against them in 2000 when Suggs ran for 5 touchdowns. That man was a verified touchdown machine.

"TD Lee" was unstoppable that night.

It's a funny joke, I have laughed at it multiple times, and they keep adding new elements like bonuses for coaches, parades, proclamations by Florida's governor, etc that keep it fresh. But... they'll really need to work on some additional material if they want to move beyond amateur night at the local comedy club.

Seriously though, it's nonsense.

I love it though. showing no fear. and UCF will get PAID! they're milking this season for everything its worth. UCF I doubt honestly expects to go undefeated again anytime soon (of course they hope) they're making a case for other G5 teams and themselves if they ever do run the table again.

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On the moneyline that's probably +800 or so? I got a c-note on UCF.

I've been cutting back on the drinking.

Yeah on that line I'd take UCF to cover, but I'd still expect Bama to handle them by a couple scores.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

I would have seeded UCF #4 in this year's CFP. I think it's a travesty that in a year where there was exactly ONE unbeaten team, that team was left out of the playoff. Sure, Clemson may have wiped the floor with them, but they would have at least had a shot. Bama won absolutely zilch before the CFP -- they did not deserve the shot they got. And they likely got an advantage by sitting home on their butts the first week in December while everyone else had to play the runner-up in their conference.

As for expansion, I think four is plenty. However, if it were to be expanded, I'd go to 12 teams. ALL conference champs are in, plus the two best teams not yet seeded. The top 4 seeds get a first round bye. And I like the idea of re-seeding after each round, like the NFL does, so the best remaining team plays the lowest seeded remaining team, and so-forth. This year it would have looked like this:

First Round Bye:
1 Clemson (ACC Champs)
2 Oklahoma (Big XII Champs)
3 Georgia (SEC Champs)
4 Alabama (AT LARGE)

First Round Games
5 Ohio State (B1G Champs) vs. 12 Boise State (MWC Champs)
6 Wisconsin (AT LARGE) vs. 11 Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
7 Southern Cal (Pac 12 Champs) vs. 10 FAU (CUSA Champs)
8 UCF (AAC Champs) vs. 9 Toledo (MAC Champs)

Second Round Games
1 Clemson (ACC Champs) vs. Lowest Remaining Seed
2 Oklahoma (Big XII Champs) vs. Next Lowest Remaining Seed
3 Georgia (SEC Champs) vs. Third Lowest Remaining Seed
4 Alabama (AT LARGE) vs. Fourth Lowest Remaining Seed

And so forth. It's all over in 11 games across four weeks. Use existing bowls and suddenly we don't have 6-6 teams stealing bowl berths. Or play the first two rounds on campus at the higher seed and then the last three games use the CFP format already in place.

The first round may not look like all that, but at least those conference champs will get a shot... and who doesn't LOVE pulling for the underdogs in those early round tournament games in March? Who wouldn't have loved to see Lane Kiffen's FAU team take on USC? That UCF-Toledo game would be a barn burner -- and one of them gets to the round of 8. Troy at Wisconsin? Those guys beat LSU this year.

Virginia Tech would walk right up to you and punch you in the neck. They're just tougher. Cowherd 3:16

I was gonna make fun of you for Troy. But then I got to

Those guys beat LSU this year

Well played.

I've been cutting back on the drinking.

I'm partial to the idea that we should just go to a 10 team playoff, all conference champs get in. The four lowest ranked teams play a wildcard match to get us down to an 8 team bracket. The positives to this are that there will never again be a one conference championship, and as a byproduct of this, it's really a 20 team playoff if you count conference championship games.

The biggest things that have sparked talks of change have been the all sec championship which many people want to watch. This would remove that possibility while still letting each team control their own destiny from the beginning of the season, and no undefeated team would be left out.

It has its obvious downsides I know, but it would be interesting. And Notre Dame along with the other independedants would have to finally join a conference if they want to compete!

Another solution to the all conference final in any playoff would just be to require that all teams from one conference are on the same side of the bracket

Great idea, but any playoff that requires bye's in the first round will never fly. We could have had a Georgia/Bama semifinal and a Clemson/Oklahoma first round.

And this is why you market the conference title games as Round 1 of the college football playoff.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Another consideration for not expanding the playoffs.....Currently, if we make the ACC Championship, then a bowl game and, if that happened to be a playoff game and we won, then another game, I would have a difficult time paying/arranging so that I could attend, but I would. Imagine more teams making the expanded playoffs and adding trips and more difficulty. Then have a consistent winner and try to do this in multiple years....I hope you see my point that the average fanbase will not be able to follow their team and fill stadiums consistently.

My thought is the first round of the 8 team playoffs are held in the higher seeds home stadiums. They get the advantage as a higher seed of a home crowd. That eliminates the worry for mass travel arrangements for the first games.

So Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Bama would have had another home game this year playing USC, OSU, UCF, etc.

Doesn't change the extra game and trouble or the fact that the visitors would want to travel and attend.....Hokies represented well at Neb, ND, theOSU, etc. Would I rather go to a Top 4's stadium for the playoff game (possibly witnessing us win) or take a chance and stay home and hope that they win? Or not go and have us lose and then go to some lower tier bowl game as a playoff loser and try to muster fan support for that? All decisions and time and money.

Looks like UCF's national championship may be official. (at least as official as many disputed titles claimed by 'Bama and their peers) The Colley Matrix (which theoretically has some credibility since it was used in the official BCS rankings) has UCF at #1 in their final rankings for the 2017 season.
http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html

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Dammit Chris, when will you just admit that just because you beat a team on the field doesn't mean you're the better team!! /s

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

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There is as much validity to Colley as there would be to a rankings system that TKP makes up in order to name VT national champs every year. The only criteria to be a "major selector" is that the poll be national in scope, either through distribution in newspaper, television, radio and/or computer online...of which a TKP ranking would qualify under the last option.

The only claims people take seriously are ones from the entities that can name Consensus National Champions...and those are currently just the AP poll, the USA Today Coaches poll and the Football Writers Association of America poll.

So the only questions left is...how long do you think it will be before a few Bama fans drive to Orlando and tear down UCF's banner? I mean, these guys poison trees whenever they lose a game; they're not exactly level-headed. I can't imagine what they'll do if they feel that someone is trying to claim their National Championship.

Scott Frost fans them flames, baby!

"Alabama probably has one or two national championships they claim that weren't necessarily recognized by everybody," Frost told KETV.

Might have to tune into Finebaum on the way home from work today. I'm sure there will only be levelheaded and well reasoned takes associated with this...

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yeah nick dropped the "UCF is the self proclaimed champions yesterday but that doesn't make it so" yesterday

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I heard that, and the irony almost melted my radio

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay