Bama/Ref Postgame Vent Thread

Are we honestly surprised and shocked that we didn't win? From my perspective, this season concludes in failed expectations. We were favored. Therefore we were EXPECTED to win and advance. At the very least I hope this will shed light at how much the officiating is involved in the outcome of games our team plays in. Same 'ol shit. No excuses. Buzz & team, we love y'all...but FFS DO BETTER next season. DO BETTER. Fuck.

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Stop. We couldn't buy a basket in the second half. We were in the bonus 5 minutes into the second half.

Don't score? Don't win.

This is exactly right. They were whistle happy on things they were letting go in the first. Adjust accordingly. We BLEW that game just like we BLEW the previous two. Screws recruiting and screws getting better.

I feel so fucking bad for Robinson

The refs didn't lose us this game. In fact they put us in a position to take control early in the second and we completely let it pass us by.

We we're gifted 5 fouls in 52 seconds and we never pressed the issue. You can't blame the refs when you fuck up that badly.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And after we were gifted those fouls the refs were firmly in Bama's pockets (the screen with the Bama player kicking his leg into the air comes to mind). To pretend they didn't decide this game is absurd

And we did press the issue, the calls weren't made and our bigs picked up the fouls instead

We didn't guard the 3, we didn't drive the paint when Bama got in foul trouble, and we made some really stupid decisions leading to fouls on our end. To pretend these refs lost us the game is ignoring the fact that time and time again we put ourselves in a position to lose. Full stop, period. We earned the loss.

Bama played the better game tonight. They were more composed from.start to finish. They played a better organized game offensively and defensively and when things started to go our way they adjusted and took control. We, on the other hand, looked lost all night. Between rushed passes and ill advised shots to lazy reach ins and an unbelievably stupid chicken wing when you already had 4 fouls, we played dumb basketball.

And maybe that's the most frustrating thing about tonight. We really only have ourselves to blame for this season ending like it did.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

See I wish you had made the vent thread.

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They also had dumb shots go down. I was actually pretty happy with our defensive effort in the last 5 minutes, Sexton just wouldn't miss no matter how reckless or ugly the shot was

Yeah, THAT seems to be the familiar storyline from many of our losses. Forget the refs, we need to check the balls.*

*no pun intended, but I'll take it.

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They also had dumb shots go down.

You know, I would be a little more upset at the absurdity of some of those shots, but the fact of the matter is, our defensive scheme from November through March had basically been one that allows open looks from long frequently enough that its begging for the opponent to get hot. At this level, when you allow those kinds of shots to borderline tournament teams in a Division 1 conference, they will take advantage. There is just too much pure shooting talent out there to think you can get away with that night in and night out. Its a pattern against us, and has been for a couple years, to the point where it isn't an anomaly anymore, there is something we are fundamentally doing that effectively allows teams to get hot against us. There's too much of a long term trend to just brush it off as the basketball gods willing it anymore. There's something there, and its going to be our achilles until we address it.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think we were so pressed on making sure Sexton didn't beat us, that we allowed a guy who hit 90 three's this year beat us down the stretch. We switched to an extended "match" up(ish) zone too late in the game to mitigate it IMO, and of course, us going cold and throwing up terrible shots didn't help. I seriously feel terrible for Robinson who seemed like he was the only one on the court who gave a shit at crucial times.

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Bibbs packed his "I'm a Senior and I aint going out like this" bags too.
However, I think Bama realized clamping down on 5 and Bibbs was the key in the second half.

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If we had won you could write the exact same things about Bama. They were out of control and off their game for most of the night. It was a perfectly even game until that j rob call. They also got absurdly lucky with some shots (we contested Petty plenty of times, he just happened to be lucky as hell tonight). Of course we had chances to put the game away. But I'm not going to pretend that the refs didn't take away our best opportunity on an obvious play where there is no plausible explanation that someone could call the foul on Robinson. It was bad and it decided the game, and there were several calls almost as bad that swing momentum. Saying we had a chance to put the game away is a cop out

You keep saying that the foul was bad, but he had position with feet set when Robinson hit him. That's a charge. Did it ultimately seal our date, yes... But myself and everyone with me at the bar, including a decently sized group of Hokies all agreed with the call. On the second look, it was a good call, as much as we hated to see it.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

He was fouled on the way up, the guy wasn't set, and rob actually landed right in front of him. The ref right in front of the pant even called a block. It was not a charge by any definition. Doesn't matter what team you root for

It was a flop, but even if you call it I have no idea how the bucket doesn't count.

Some referees are the kids who always needed attention and never got it.

Would have been great to see the game finish up with or without Jrob down one from that point.

That is a good point I hadn't thought of, if the charge contact was after the ball left his hand, shouldn't the shot have counted?

Nah, that's at worst a no call and at best a block. Not only was the defender not set before Robinson took off, but the contact was initiated when Robinson was practically on the ground. The offensive player is allowed space to land

What did Buzz do to get the T?

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Slammed the announcer's table and sent a bunch of papers flying from what it sounded like.

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

Cussed

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

I really wish Jalen Hudson stayed. He could have helped produce when Hill went in the tank for the second year in a row.

I hope Hill can get a new form on his set shot. Bringing it up from deep is too hard against good teams.

All while learning to drive the hoop (better).

He and Clarke have to work on the same stuff... Clarke's starting from a better position ... seems to lack assertiveness.

Hudson would have put this team over the top that and another big anyway.

Hudson lacked playing with fire every game as a young player. It appears that he developed that part of his game.
I hope NAW can do the same because I believe his ceiling is far higher.

Damn, that was disappointing. Really just stopped playing our game in the second half. Once again we show we can't beat an equal team.

Oh well. I think we are going to have a great team next year.

We need a lot of things to go very well for that to happen losing Wilson and Bibbs will hurt not to mention possibly even NAW

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Bibbs and Wilson are fine, but let's not pretend they're the backbone of our team. Outlaw, Nolley, and Sy being back/coming in is a significant net positive over Wilson and Bibbs. We should be significantly better next year, especially given another year for 5, KJB, and NAW

I would have thought Bibbs' 3 point was the backbone

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Honestly just having Robinson, Clarke, Blackshear, and NAW means we are going to have a very good team. Through in those other guys and I think we are going to a better team.

Blackshear will keep us grounded....

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What going on with NAW? Transfer?

There has been the constant worry that he would be one-and-done (declare for the draft).

Lol, nah that definitely isn't happening. No chance in hell he leaves. He isn't at all ready for NBA play, and he isn't a physical freak of nature that a team would take a chance on despite being completely raw.

Lol, nah naw that definitely isn't happening. No chance in hell he leaves. He isn't at all ready for NBA play, and he isn't a physical freak of nature that a team would take a chance on despite being completely raw.

See what I did?

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Yeah, you made all my words kinda slanted...What in tarnation?

No. Just, no.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

Also I don't see why this should be a ref vent thread. No reason to be upset at them at all.

Unless the refs used Jedi mind tricks to somehow make VT stop going inside and instead alternate between jacking up ill-advised jumpers and turning it over it isn't their fault.

11-21 (2-16) was only 3 years ago. i'm frustrated with the game and how sloppy we can be sometimes, but take solace in the overall upward trend of the program
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I get your point, but we pay our coach 2.5 million a year... This kind of excuse needs to stop.

EDIT: I'm not playing placing the blame directly on Buzz, just saying that the fanbase expectations need to match the athletic departments expectations.

This shit right here. I couldn't give another shit about where we were four years ago because it is not an excuse to choke like we have the last three games. Three extremely winnable games pissed away.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

No one is using it as an excuse. We shouldn't have lost tonight. But the fact remains that we are in a really good spot as a program right now. Buzz has made us nationally relevant after being the laughing stock of the ACC. Back to back tournament appearances for the first time since way back when. A legit shot at a high seed in the ACC. Top recruits coming to Blacksburg. We are trending up!

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

I just feel like the VT basketball fanbase is still not there yet. I know the casual fans would come out quickly with some March success. It is just frustrating.

I agree with Hog. Some of the comments sure come off and feel like an excuse or something

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If that helps you sleep at night, fine. But this team set a higher standard for itself this season. It fell short of it in the last three games.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

9 ACC teams are about 1 win from this level right now. 3 are above this level and 3 are below this level.
The 3 teams at the bottom of the league are fighting for VT's spot right now and it is hard for anyone to knock a program from the top 3 of the league.
Hopefully Buzz can make improvements in coaching and the roster to take VT to the next level.

This is so rediculous. We are a historically terrible team who has finally seen some success, let's not let it get to our heads so quickly

Wanting a team to perform at a level they consistently performed at during the season is not letting success go to our heads. What about that is so hard to understand?

If you can sit back and say we did our best tonight then you have a point. I swear to everyone on this website that if we played our asses off tonight and still lost I'd be damn proud and would have been content. Instead, we made the same mistakes that plagued us against Miami and Notre Dame.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I mean, they pretty clearly played hard. And if you've watched this team for more then two years and are still upset with the overall success of the program, you're out of line

Still missing the point. Never said I was disappointed with the overall success either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Boooo this shit. You play to win th game. The end of this season reminds me of Greenburgs tenure. Win big time regular season games against favorite then lose the next game to a crappy team. We have no consistency with wins. We lost 5-6very winnable games this year.

Pour some Beer on it

Greenberg's team seem to always find a way to miss the big dance (either because of their bad losses or his asshattery.)

This is nothing like greenbergs tenure, we are in the tournament

In the first four years of Greenberg's tenure at VT, he won ACC Coach of the Year and won a NCAA game.

We also won 4-5 very loseable games. It goes both ways every year. Sometimes it mainly goes one way or the other. Just look at Clemson last year. They lost every close game and could have been a high seed in the dance. This year they won most of those games.

so because we pay him a good salary he should magically come to a traditionally average basketball program who is at the shit bottom of the ACC and have us in the Final Four in 3 years? i'm sure as hell he's trying, but consider having realistic expectations in the meantime.

I don't think it's fair to put Buzz on any kind of Hot Seat.

That said, I do think it's completely fair to question why he seemingly thought guarding the 3 was optional this season. The same issues we were worried about in November knocked us out of tournament games in March. That certainly is curious that we never adjusted given the amount he's being paid.

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Me neither. I take him over Greenberg everyday. All I implored was for them to do better.

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I think our fan base has a hard time questioning decisions both Buzz and Fuente make. It's like we're afraid to hold them accountable.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think our fanbase thinks we are better than we really are.

No one is saying it isn't a disappointment. No one is saying we are happy. I'm just as mad as everyone else that we lost. We shouldn't have. Zero excuse, we're a better team on paper than Bama.

But we're still in the rebuilding process. This program was a smoldering pile of dog shit mixed with camel vomit a few years ago. Back to back tournament appearances for the first time in how long? That's a success. Bringing in recruits like Bede and NAW? Success. Yes we missed opportunities. Again, no one is saying otherwise. But lets pump the breaks and not act like we fell super short of expectations. Anyone who thought we were going to the Sweet 16 with this draw was going to be disappointed.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Ah yes, the camel vomit days. Those were fun times.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

See that's the shit I get tired of hearing/reading. I hear it from fans of opposing teams but to hear it from fans of this team really fires me up because what parameters are you using to assert that mentality? If you're team has shown it's capable of beating the big boys (Dook loluva uncheat) then you're more than capable of shit stomping the equals. Fuck that mentality. Just do what you're expected AND more than capable of doing. End rant.

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Yes we beat some legitimately good teams. However, we beat LOLUVA and Dook by 1 point at the buzzer, and that's after getting an absolute thrashing from them in the first meeting. I'm not saying we shouldn't have won last night, because we definitely should have. No one is saying otherwise.

Let me repeat. Anyone who expected a deep tournament run this year was setting themselves up for massive disappointment. People on here have mentioned before the 8/9 matchup is a 50/50 toss up. But please, please, please don't act like we are a 4 seed masquerading as an 8. The team showed flashes of what they could/can be, but if we don't beat Dook/LOLUVA at the last second we're in the NIT right now.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

That's fair. I certainly wasn't expecting a deep tourney run this time, but I did expect us to at least get past the first game with the match-up we had.

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I never thought that. But all I'm saying is it's not unreasonable to expect us to play to the level we're capable of after two games of the same mistakes. I said in another comment if we played our best and lost tonight I wouldn't be mad. But we made some silly mistakes tonight that seemed to have carried over. That's all.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The UNC, UVA & Duke games were anomalies.
The average performance on the season would not have won those games.

Les Henson didn't have 89 foot range but he did make one crazy shot once.

So you're telling me our second half performance tonight was average for us? Is that really what you think?

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The failings in yesterday's game happened with greater regularity than a complete game from VT during the season.

The UNC and Duke games were both at home on Big Monday, short rest. I do not think we got close to either team's best game. Both of those teams are markedly better than VT right now.

I do think it's completely fair to question why he seemingly thought guarding the 3 was optional this season.

It's fair to question that. However, I think it was the result of priorities. With our lack of frontcourt presence/depth, additional help was needed to defend against the entry pass. I think Buzz had our perimeter defensive players playing a little bit closer to the basket, to choke off those lanes and to give help when needed. That opened up the outside a little bit more, and some good shooting teams took advantage of that. If he hadn't made those moves, though, you would have seen a lot more of what we saw last night, with the entry pass and easy dunk all...night...long.

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Then balance out the roster.
The coach is in charge of who is on the team.

I also question why he sat Robinson for so long in the first half while Sexton was sitting with two fouls. We had a chance to build a lead and completely failed. I get taking the chance to rest 5, but I think he sat about 6 min where I was hoping he would have only sat for 3. I also thought we should have subbed Clarke in with Horne as Blackshear picked up early fouls. We got killed on the baseline during that stretch.

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Actually, at 2-4 in ACC play, Buzz completely altered the defensive scheme and they practiced defense 100% the rest of the season and offense 0%. The change was also when Wilson started playing more and when we came alive in ACC play.

Yes, we still gave up a lot of 3's, but we weren't letting the opponent get to the rim, and that is why our defensive efficiency got so much better in the second half of ACC play.

Louisville beat us the second time because they hit 6 three's in a row. Buzz said he thought half way through that run, "do I go away from the defensive scheme that we planned for, that we practiced, and that we've been using. If I want the players to buy into something, how will they do that if I change it on them mid-game." I paraphrased, but that is basically what he said. He has also said, with our roster and our length (or lack of) compared to other teams and defensive talent, that it is a pick your poison. Buzz elected to pack the lane and prevent layups and force opponent to take 3's and to contest as many as we can with good rotations and close outs. It worked against UVA and Duke when we held their bigs in check and Allen, Trent, Guy, etc. weren't shooting the 3-ball well either of those nights. It did not work against Lousiville when they hit 6 in a row to end the game, and it did not work against Petty (sp?) and BAMA. It also did not help that we played poor defense and let BAMA get to the rim.

But I think my point is pretty clear. Yes we could've won some more of those games, we could have lost more too. This is true for every other team at our level. We do not have the roster or talent to expect anything more just yet. Buzz is getting there, we will get there, and we will make a Sweet 16 appearance before too long.

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So VT had to hope for an off shooting night by it's opponent?

That is only because of the shit show Weaver conducted in firing Greenberg.
Honestly, VT is not much different than the Greenberg teams right now.
Flawed but able to pull off the upset. A mid level ACC team.

But so much more fun to watch!!!

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The wins are fun either way.

(I think the Greenberg tenure had run it's course so I do not have sour grapes that he was fired, just how it impacted the program).

also it's tough to beat a team who was as hot as Bama was shooting in the end of the second half, they were dropping some ridiculous shots to hold us off.

this^^^^

Even with our poor defense, we did enough offensively to win the game. That last bomb by Petty (sp?), the turn around fade away from Sexton, the non-charge call on J-Rob, the two shot clock stoppages that prevented our fast break, Sexton banking the 3 early in the first half, he threw up another brick that hit the rim with such a thud it died on the back of the rim and just fell in. We should've capitalized on more of thier TO's, but otherwise, they were making everything, even when we played great D, they made a couple crazy shots at the end of the shot clock. I'd say on any other given night, we would play about the same or better, especially keeping KJ and K-Rob out of foul trouble, and they would not shoot as well, and we win. Could've played better, but a bit unlucky with the way some things went.

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The refs favored us more than in any other game all season. They put us in the bonus with 15 left in the second half ffs. I'm much more disappointed in how many easy ass dunks and wide open threes we gave them.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Holy shit MacGruber did you watch the game? We pulled the same stunt we pulled against Miami and Notre Dame. Thank Christ this season is over because I'm tired of us seeing trip over our own ass these last three games. I don't know what the deal is, but these second half performances have been awful.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Blackshear played out of control. He fouled out while playing 17 minutes. We should have gotten aggressive once in the bonus, especially with shots not falling. Execution on plays after time outs was horrible. Refs sucked but they didn't lose the game. Learn from this, remember the pain and get better.

1-0 every week

Take out the anger here and not on Twitter. We're improving, just three seasons removed from last place in the ACC.

It is always disappointing to lose the last game of the year (but most teams do.) In 4 years this team has two winning records in the ACC and has made 2 NCAA tourney appearances. We've come along way since JJ.

I hope NAW stays. I think we'll have an even better team if that happens. KJ will continue to mature. Our younger bench players (Horne and Bede) will get better.

The future is bright even if tonight is bit dark.

3* winning records in the ACC. We've gone 10-8 for three straight years.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I don't see how it's possible NAW leaves. It would be a bigger shocker than Jerod Evans. His game is so incomplete and he's pretty much an unknown.

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And he disappears for stretches during the game but seems to come through if the situation is forced on him.
If he develops a more assertive game, he could really be the best Blacksburg has seen in a very long time.

I hope that he is the guy who can take over in a game next year to allow the Hokies to go on a run in the ACC and NCAA tournaments. We really lacked that tonight.

evidently someone projected him ... he has really good skills... if he could just get more explosive I think he'd be better off long term

I can't see it. You look at guys who are serious draft consideration and they are really the drive behind their teams.

When Sexton was on the court, everybody knew it. You constantly heard the announcer calling his names. He was at the center of every play that Bama ran and the VT defense was setup to keep him under wraps.

NAW vanished for most of the game ... even when he was in the game, the focus was Robinson. Aside from a couple of great 3s, he just wasn't a factor. That seemed to happen a lot this season. That doesn't scream "NBA" to me ... not yet.

I hope he becomes that dominant player and goes on to be a lottery pick, even next season. But I don't think that's who he is right now.

No way you can blame the refs on this one. We looked dazed all night and couldn't seal the deal when we had our chances.

Also not a failure of a season. The 269 teams that didn't make the tournament would like a word.

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Didn't say the season is a failure. The expectations were failed. Thus it wasnt a satisfactory success either. Happy we're better, happy for consecutive appearances in the dance. But unsatisfied

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The expectations were failed. Thus it wasnt a satisfactory success either.

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Can we blame Loeffler?

Newsome. He left our OL so shitty it's still effecting our b-ball team.

We put the K in Kwality

I blame Torrian Gray. If he would have just said hi to Sexton's mom, we would have been fine.

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Absurd number of passes that ended up out of bounds and too many missed shots in the 2nd. The foul calls didn't help either of course. It just gets old wondering "what if" (even just 40% in the 2nd, a foul call or 2, etc).

I hate that we lost, but if we take a step back that was a damn fun game. That was the kind of exciting game you love to see when it's not your team playing. I feel like we gave them everything we had and I can't be too upset about that. Bama was just hitting ridiculous shots regardless of how good the defense was.

We're trending upwards and this season ended up much better than we all thought after how ACC play started. I'm looking forward to next season to see what our guys can do with more experience. Bede and Horne got some priceless experience tonight.

I wonder what Horne's ceiling is though. Unless he because as fierce as LeDay on the interior, he better develop an outside game to play the stretch because he's simply too small.

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It is going to be hard for him to play down low without developing a LeDay type game. There have not been too many guys to play like that.

Oh great another classic it's a conspiracy against the Hokies when we lose thread. Since it's not for the purpose of getting ND in the dance, please enlighten everyone for what purpose and what entity wanted Alabama to advance? Must be those ratings numbers from that huge Tide basketball following.

Smh, unreal amount of butthurt.

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It's not a conspiracy, but objectively the refs made bad calls that cost us the game. That call on j rob was blatantly wrong and it resulted in a 5-point swing that knocked out our best player. You can say we had other opportunities, and we did, but Ultimately the refs made the choice there, and there's no rule book where that call is ok

I don't know Jack about bball officiating, but was that the wrong call? The player had his feet planted and JRob made contact. It seemed to be way after the ball left his hand though so I'm not sure if that matters.

The defender had to be in that position when 5 took off, not when contact was made.
I think it was the wrong call but not an awful call.

This shows it to be a horrible call.

That's even worse watching it back. He lands on the dudes feet!

2 bad calls here... one is the the charge and the other is the bucket bring waved off. Why is the bucket not reviewable?

Here's the thing, JRob gained no advantage and the contact was not egregious, so simply don't call anything... play on as they say.
Its sad to watch NBA officiating and how the game is allowed to flow vs the travesty that college officials create almost every night.

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It was just a bad call, but the case could be made that it was the right call. As others have mentioned the fact that he was not set once J Rob left the ground is the major issue with it being called a charge. Considering how close the game was, how little time was left, the fact that it is an NCAA tournament game, and that JRob really landed on the floor and then ran into the guy, it should have been a no call. The fact that it was Robinson's 5th foul exponentially increases the effect of the error on the overall game. That is what I am most upset about, there wasn't enough on either end to call it a block or a charge and they should have just let them play.

I have done some officiating in the past, ultimately you should let little things slide if neither team gains an advantage. As an official, I never wanted to be a deciding factor, just make sure neither team gained an advantage by playing outside the bounds of the rules, and I don't think VT gained a bucket by Robinson attacking too aggressively and drawing contact

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practice what you preach. You over react to every tiny small thing, post things like "fuck, damn, shit" all the time over losses, bad calls during games, etc. Now you're telling buzz and team to do better when this is the fist time in a LONG time we went to consecutive tourneys.

FFS do everyone a favor and be better.

Yea I don't get it. Which one is it, Buzz and Co blew it and need to do better or the refs are in the tank (and therefore out of Buzz's control)?

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Both (but mostly the team because the refs don't shoot and score the points

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You know how some people like to copy/paste stuff from the Sabre when those guys have a bad time? This is one of those.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I blame it on Grayson Allen, he is in Shittsburgh tonight, so somehow it is his fault!

Is it football season yet?

I'm partially drunk (or something) so I ain't gonna be at my best . If someone wants to make better vent thread, be my guest and I'll edit this after my hangover tomorrow night

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Please take this as a sign that you need to do something to change. Quite a few people have commented on how negative you are after every loss, how you over react, and how you need to take a second before going off. It's getting old mate.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic. Frequently misspells words.

Mate

Are you Aussie, UK, S African or something (just curious)? Plus I don't do it after every loss (didn't do one after the exit from the ACCT to ND).

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Waho's suck
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Hey hey hey. At least we're not Arizona with a potential #1 overall pick getting blown out to a 13 seed.

Let's Go...

Ya good thing I had AZ in the championship game in my bracket

If I were past my hangover that would resonate more with me

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Waho's suck
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The collapse of Med really hurt this team. He became a liability not only on defense but offense too, and played like a shell of the flashes we've seen of him. I'm hopeful that he can work out of this funk or whatever in the offseason, but realistically I'm very dubious.

KJB will continue to develop and mature. He looked to be playing very frustrated all night and let the moment get to him.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

KJ needs to commit himself to not having off the ball fouls. I think Sy will be a better backup though.

It was the same problem Jeff Allen had when he would over help on screens and get a reach in foul called 5 feet past the 3 pt line.

KJ tended to catch the ball and sometimes he decided he was going to power it in even if the defender had position. If it isn't there he needs to kick it back out and ask for it again. I am shocked he didn't get more charges called on him this season. He would duck that shoulder a lot to make room.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Sadly that's just who Med is as a player. He's a capable D1 power school player, he'll show you flashes, but he's not dependable night in and night out. Considering he's entering his final year, I doubt he changes significantly. I hope he proves me wrong but if I'm being real, I'm not banking on it. Most players are who they are by then on the development curve. That's why NAW is going to be vital to us next year. Players that stick around tend have big growth between their first and second years. If he can take the leap and show more of that raw talent we saw a bit this year, that'll go far into pushing us up into real ACC contention and be a team that can go on a run in the NCAAs.

MacGruber coming through with a blistering take after a tough loss.

A TKP tradition.

Some traditions need to die.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Can we go ahead and get this thread deleted and start over without the irrational rant as the full topic?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

You make one, I'll edit

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Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Shit man, that Sexton guy is GOOD. That's why we lost. In the post game interview he admitted the reason he struggled in the first half was he had never seen that defense before. He then adjusts to something he's never seen and scorches us for 22 in the 2nd half (some of that was intentional fouls but still). Do you know how hard that is? A freshman, never seeing a defense, making an adjustment midgame to come out looking like 4 year vet star. For those don't know, he showed you why he's going to be a Top 10 pick this year and should be the first PG off the board.

Its a bummer, but what are you gonna do. It was a tight game throughout. Bama was better tonight. We're close, just not quite there yet. Buzz has done a great job coaching, getting the absolute maximum out of what we has to work with. Back to back tournament appearances (first time in 30 years) in just 4 years for a program that was going nowhere fast. Get an ounce more talent, a little more front court depth, and we're at the level where just getting to the tournament would feel like a disappointment. It was a good season and we're on the path to do better things real soon. Let's Go...

1st point guard off the board??? Have you heard of Trae Young my dude???? He is the second coming of MJ!!

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I can't tell if you're serious, lol. I'm like 75% sure this is sarcasm but I know some people that are still dead set on Trae Young being Steph Curry

100% sarcasm man. Sexton is by far the best PG on the board this year.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

He uses his forearm WAY too often to create space. Watch the replay of the face away near the end of the game. Won't be able to do that in the NBA.

Have you ever watched Kevin Durant play? He uses his forearm on every drive and rarely gets called. Plenty of other NBA guys do this too. You just have to know how much you can get away with.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I disagree, we lost because we let #23 score 20+ points. We knew Sexton was going to score and I thought we played pretty well against him. We blew this one giving up easy baskets along the baseline and having the entire defense pull into the lane every time someone would start to drive. I said it before that Sexton alone couldn't beat us, we just had to lock down the other players on the court, and we definitely did not.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

From now on I think HokieMacGruber26 needs to pass a breathalyzer to access TKP.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

All there's left to do now is root for early UVA WVU and UNC losses.

Let's Go...

Fuck all those teams

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Waho's suck
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Alabama shouldn't even be in the fucking tournament they have a dog shit resume just like the rest of the $EC. Starting to think they get a little boost from the NCAA, ESPN and the other sports powers that be, because of that gravy train.

That being said obviously we should've fucking beat them

I think they were 6-2 against the top 25 this year...

Let's Go...

8-10 in crappy SEC. Lost to all the bottom teams.

We put the K in Kwality

not one sec team lost day 1 though...

Well, there goes my bracket.
Still, proud to be a Hokie, FAM.

Friends don't let friends go to LOLUVA

Boy, we really blew chunks to close out this season. Three embarrassing losses in a row in epic choking fashion.

I still can't believe how badly we fucked up the foul situation in the second half tonight. Actually unbelievable to me that we could take that big a foul advantage and not even come close to utilizing it.

Couple things...
1)Chris Clarke played 21 minutes in a game where Kerry was in foul trouble the whole night.
2)The two post timeout looks were awful, and Buzz himself will tell you that you can find a coach's worth in how their teams execute in-bounds plays and plays after timeouts.
3)He sat Robinson for a good 4 minute stretch with Sexton out of the game and a chance to extend the lead in the first half
4)Lastly, I see people complain on this site about teams shooting the lights out against us even if they're not a good shooting team, but any team with a pulse is going to knock down the looks that Buzz's teams regularly give up. That's either a scheme or personnel issue that Buzz has got to get figured out.

Buzz deserves all the credit in the world for getting this program to where it is, but he has got some things he needs to be better at if we want to take the next step

All of this

Excellent analysis. I got lambasted on twitter for suggesting Buzz had some flaws lately. Just because he brought us out of the doldrums doesn't give him a free pass from accountability.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Maybe Bud will give him one of his passes??

I dunno, I think he's starting to run out according to some people.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

In my armchair analysis, I agree with your first point the most. You gotta trust Robinson with 2 fouls. I know Sexton is a freshman, but Robinson is your veteran leader. Take the chance to push the ball with your best attacker and have him run screen/roll with whomever you want. Get to the rack or drive and dish for a clean look. Keep running it and try to extend the lead. Sexton should not dictate when Robinson was in. Guess Bebe was playing well and Buzz had his mind made up.

I think the reason we give up deep shots, is we are undersized and require our weakside guards to crash on entry passes or rotate down to guard on the drive/box out. This leave the drive and kick open and when you lack interior size, you gotta pick your poison. When they left Bibbs/Wilson/Bebe alone to have to guard a PF/C, they just drove passed them, threw the ball across the lane and finished with massive dunks. IMHO, I'll live with daring them to keep hitting 3s then rim rattling dunks, lower percentage usually.

The Dude Abides

The thing with Robinson though was that he had 1 foul! I went back and looked at the play by play to see if I missed something, and it had him listed as having 1 foul when Buzz took him out. It made no sense

This is such a childish thread and reaction to losing. It's embarrassing to TKP and VT. I'm not saying people can't vent, but shit let's try to be at least somewhat reasonable.

VB born, class of '14, Semper Paratus

It wouldn't be a post game loss thread without HokieMacGruber26 crapping all over our teams. I am genuinely shocked when he/she has a positive thing to say EVER.

They had 2 key players with 4 fouls with a ton of time left we shit the bed

Keep calm, Gobble on

This is my problem with basketball. I don't understand how fouls work. It just seems arbitrary almost corrective.

Same. Why fouls are called (or not) is exactly why I cant consistently get into bball. I just don't get it. Most of the time if you sneeze on a player you get a foul called and then other times you can hip check someone on a screen into next season and nothing.

Does Alabama have a wrestling team?

Year 3 is coming up!

If they did tech would kick their ass

I want to taste dirty A stinging pistol In my mouth On my tounge

We have as many postseason wins as LOLUVA has fans at their spring festival.

We put the K in Kwality

But sadly, not as many postseason wins as LOLUVA.

Zero is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

Blackshear is by far the most unaware player on the team. If he fouled out with actual fouls that's one thing but he is always good for 2-3 dumb fouls a game. Whether it's over the back or moving screen.

Maybe unaware is a bit strong. He was visible frustrated from taking a beating inside and getting slapped and pulled and he acted out. Knowing that the refs are looking for that stuff (after they called several players for offensive fouls), you just gotta contain that frustration, can't act on it.

The Dude Abides

Fuck fuck fucking fuck what the fuck fuck fuck fuck!!!

We had to lose to fucking Bama!

Now my Army buddy who's from NY, but is the biggest bandwagon Bama fan on this planet, is talking shit about BASKETBALL. Motherfucker didn't know Bama had a basketball team until they made the tourney.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I don't see the benefit of making a new thread for this... I guess if HokieFireman is going to be known for his HokieClub standard-bearing, I'm probably going to be known for my hard line on officiating in general. I are one, and I absolutely think student-athletes from high school to the Final Four absolutely deserve consistent, professional arbitration of contests.

One of the challenges out there right now is that there are not enough quality people willing to put on the stripes. There are some really good ones coming up through the system(s) now. Chase Vaden, son of the former NBA Director of Officiating, is very strong; so are a number of young VHSL high school referees here around Blacksburg. It takes time to get the experience, but if you take it seriously and work hard, you quite literally can be doing college games in 2-3 years.

I challenge my fellow TKP'ers to get involved in your local rec league or as a VHSL official in your favorite sport. There are good people all around, it's a way to stay engaged with the sport(s) you love, and make a few dollars along the way. Knowing the rules and proper mechanics can make watching a game absolutely maddening sometimes, by the way [LOOKING AT YOU TEDDY V]. It's not just basketball - there is a critical need for volleyball, baseball/softball, soccer... No experience necessary and age doesn't matter. You name it, there's an officiating commissioner wishing he had your name on his list. Come to think of it, it's a great way to make the $ to be a TKPC member, or to increase your Hokie Club donation.

As for the Vent... Each of our last 3 games was ours to win, and playing well would have kept the game out of the hands of the officials, where a single call made a difference. That said, I do think officiating impacted play in a number of games, and that's a shame. Hence my appeal for more quality people to put on the stripes.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

This loss is on Buzz hands down.

OK there may have been a call here and there I disagree with, but this game shouldn't have been close enough for that to make a difference. Yes, that fifth foul on Robinson was BS. But Buzz can't afford to get a technical on that one.

Seemed to me that VT was the more talented team, but Alabama was bigger, deeper, and had Sexton and a bit of luck. VT needed an answer for Sexton, and seemed to keep him under wraps for most of the first half. Keeping him wrapped up left some chances for other players, and they were able to take advantage of that.

VT had a huge foul advantage at one point in the game. It blew me away that two VT players ended up fouling out, and no Alabama players did. Overall, Alabama had a lot of fouls, but managed to distribute them over a lot more players. Notre Dame obviously watched the Notre Dame game. VT needs a better answer for big, physical teams when the refs are "letting them play".

Ultimately, Alabama played the better game last night. It was a good game, but VT came up short.

All of that said, the VT program has drastically improved under Buzz Williams, and the future continues to look bright. The program will continue to get deeper and better.

As much as I hate to say it, we can't blame the refs for that one. We came out flat in the second half and Bama caught fire late. Still one beck of a year, and I'm glad DW, and Bibbs have been able to see this team go from the worst in the ACC, to a tournament team. Hopefully we can do better next year. Go Hokies!

Te to qb

Honestly I think we outperformed expectations for the season. We have the best win of the season at UVA. Before the season started the general consensus was that we were going to regress with our the senior leadership and instinct and heart of Leday and Allen. We saw JRob grow into a top 5 PG in the ACC. We saw Bibbs grow his driving game. We saw NAW outperform lesser talent and then grow during the ACC season as a shooter. We saw Devin change how our team played defense at the end of the season. I think I saw something about VT being top 5 in defensive efficiency in the ACC since that bad Miami loss. Overall the best thing we saw this season is that our players continued to grow over the season. The only thing we really regressed on was finishing the game. But again that is where we always leaned on Allen and Leday so that was expected. I cannot wait for next year.

Predictions for the starting 5 and top 5 rotation players next year?

VHokie

G - Robinson
G - Hill
G - Alexander-Walker
F- Clarke
F- Blackshear

G- Bede
F- Outlaw (if he's cleared)
F- Sy
F- Horne
G- Pig
G - Nolly

Thats a freaking scary group.

Unless Sy developed an offensive game, leaves us lacking offense down low. Also, when KJ and Sy sit, we are going to get killed inside

The Dude Abides

Yeah true, but that's not different than now. At least with Sy, Blackshear and Horne foul trouble with Blackshear will be less of an issue. Sy can hold his own on defense and Horne is only going to get better.

Sy's primary issues are on defense. He is competent enough in the low post that you have to guard him whereas defensively, he goes for every fake and has no feel for position. That said, having a tall guy that can run the floor with 5 fouls to give is better than not having one. He is a very athletic big man and if he puts in the work he adds value.

FWIW, the season long stat lines for Sy and PJ Horne are remarkably similar

Let one get away. We were not going to keep shooting 78% from deep, so there was going to be a dropoff, but when they showed the stat that we had 8 made baskets and 8 turnovers in the second half, that tells you right there what happened.

I did feel the refs had the look in their eye that they knew a delta in foul calls was not equal and then tried to balance some out, but I don't feel they cost VT the chance to win. Too many fits and starts on offense, not enough people who can create their own shot off the bounce, and damn if Bama's player didn't go 6-8 from deep.

All in all, a winnable game got away. Blackshear's stupid fouls hurt really bad. As soon as he sat, that left Wilson, Bebe, or someone else rotating down on a big (using Clarke or Horne as a forward/center). And give Bama credit for knowing the mismatch and finishing, both on dunks and hitting kickout 3s.

VT dropped a winnable one, just like the last 2 ACC games. It was right there, just did not get the timely shots to fall, but had the ball in a position to be successful and got clean looks. It is a make or miss game in the end.

The Dude Abides

I take full blame for the loss. You can't win without a Rooting Guide.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"