October 2018 Fishing Thread

This is live from Avalon Pier. Slow morning- 4 spot, a bluefish, and a just short speckled trout so far. I am waiting on my cob mullet hook up to find some bait so I can start drum fishing

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Headed back out to Hilton Head for my monthly trip. Probably only fish one day this weekend with the old man. Hot Rainy (82) Saturday gives way to a super mild weekend in the forecast 67 high 56 Low. Be interesting to see what the fish do post front.

Yikes...just read the wind forecast 15-20 mph winds should make for some fun chop to run the flats boat through.

As expected everything about this trip was awful. I searched for sheltered water all day and could not find any. Crossing the bay was awful. Eventually got frustrated cast netted a few menhaden and took my dad to my anti skunk hole. Got two small bonnet head and got out of there.

Good luck to all concerned. Too much wind/waves for me to get out here.
French, can't you use spot for a starter on the drum?

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Fish-yes, saving them for tomorrow's blow. Lots of bluefish and Spanish mid day. I have been running bluefish heads on the drum

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Anybody trying Trout fishing this week? I have not looked at water temps but I bet it's high for this time of year.
I'm wondering what the excessive sky water did to the fishing spots.

Freshwater or salty?

fresh

Fishing high up, the streams will be in great shape, but the Brookies may still be spawning so you need to watch out those. In my area, the nights have been prety cool. I had frost this morning.

I'm going out tomorrow on the Piankatank. We'll be looking for trout. Cold night tonight, and haven't been out since the hurricane and cool off, so it will be interesting. That's, of course, speckled trout in the salt.

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Planning on going Saturday morning on the 'tank and into Wilton, let us know how it goes!

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I'm fishing with a friend, and that's his go to. Wilton and some areas around the Golf course, etc. I'm sure you know the spots. I will definitely let you know.
Another report for those interested. Was just talking with French on the phone. He's pier fishing in the OBX. He was on a lunch break, but as we spoke, there was a commotion and the pier net came out. He saw the drum that had just been caught, the first of the day, and we parted ways as he went to get his rods out. I wish him luck.

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Hope to hear a good report with some larger trout in the mix!

Good luck!

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Was in Southern Shores last week for 4 days of surf fishing. One member of our group scored a 24" puppy drum the first day, but that was the only one we saw the entire time. Caught a good number of speckled trout (lots of shorts, but also a decent number of keepers), plenty of blues, small black drum, a few pompano, and I think a couple of spot. All in all it was decent action, although keepers were pretty rare. I'm still suspicious that the beach nourishment has negatively affected the fishing, but a few more nor 'easters and mother nature will probably put the sand back the way she wants it.

Anyone here have advice on going after drum in the sound? For our next trip I want to be prepared to try the sound if they're not biting in the surf. Can you do this from the shore anywhere, or do you really need a kayak? Lure/bait recommendations?

Good luck to everyone headed out this weekend!

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Anyone here have advice on going after drum in the sound?

If you want to get addicted to crack, I can help. How much money ya got?

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Kayak fishing is dangerous for the wallet but really helps getting where most people won't go

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I'll let him report, but French scored a biggun today.

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It hurts my heart that this post was almost 3 weeks ago.

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VENT: Just received a report from a local that my secret spot is covered in gill nets and multiple dead drum spotted. I was hoping to fish it next week to learn it during fall patterns, which I have never done. When will NC learn about how bad these are?

Between this, a story I read today about Dominion bulldozing some of the oldest forest in the state for their dumbass pipeline and the looming climate change crisis, if anybody has any more crappy environmental news, just lay it on me and let's get it all out of the way. I'll be tying flies in my basement tonight to keep my sanity. Will probably do an Instagram live for anyone that wants to tune in. I'd say around 9.

Maybe I'll get out and fish for stripers soon instead of the reds.

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Ash tree blight is taking off now in the Commonwealth so anyone with a nice Ash tree be cautious

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LOL thank you

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I've grown up in a family highly focused on conservation with my mom a state forester I have a pulse on anything outdoors since its all we really talk about. Conservation easements are a beautiful thing that we focus on to try and help ensure that the future of a property is safe from big development and can be something left untouched. On my way to the New this summer I passed the pipeline where it was exiting the national forest and it looked like a shit show. Sucks to see the trend were on anymore and it sucks having seen so many things change in the mere 15 years I've been semi conscious but its the way it is sadly so I try to focus on doing what I can even if its as simple as just replanting cutover land with pine trees or working on wildlife habitat to give quail and anything else a chance, I might be one of the few doing it but I'm not gonna let the crappy world around me stop me.

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Thanks for doing what you are doing. Everything helps.

The pipeline is one sad fucking story. Excuse the language. Just driving past that scar makes my blood boil. And that doesn't even factor in the damage to the watershed that will more than likely occur.

Gonna stop there before we get into politics.

To me its not political its simply the right thing to do. When I was a kid I loathed days with him planting hundreds of trees or converting an old field into a food plot or habitat thinking it was menial labor but now when I go hunt the persimmon, chesnut and apple groves I can sit back and realize what he was teaching me. Going back and seeing cutovers I helped him replant is pretty neat to it just needs patience.

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I definitely know what you mean. I spent a lot of time as a kid helping my granddad do similar work. Since it was with him and not my parents, it seemed like less of a chore than it could have, but it was still not what I wanted to be doing at times. But like you said, when you go back there and hunt or even just walk over the areas where your sweat ran into the ground, you get a whole different appreciation for the work and with whom the work was done.

I think I'd give a front tooth to be able to afford a few hundred acres of my own somewhere. But the older I get, the stronger the sense I get that this particular dream isn't in the cards for me. Time will tell.

My family has been fortunate to recently secure several hundred acres of land that borders a cabin and property we've had for nearly 50 years. It borders public land on 2 sides and conserved property on another. We are looking at doing some conservation easements to allow this land to be used by family and friends perpetually without the draw of development or monetary gain. It's a tough process, but one that I think will pay off in the long run.

One issue we're dealing with is a few existing owners who have treated the land as their own for years. The use of land and in particular hunting and recreation on that land and trespassing are big problems in our area. For some reason people feel as if they should be able to do whatever they want wherever they want without consequence. One angle on the easement issue would be to use this to back some stringent tresspassing rules and help monitor the property. As anyone who spends time in the outdoors knows, with weather turning cooler and hunting seasons opening people start coming out of the woodwork. Deer make people crazy and do things they wouldn't normally do, which is always a nightmare to deal with if you're trying to manage property and be a good steward of the land. Kind of a rant but thought it fit with the conversation. Everyone keep fighting the good fight. You're not alone.

One issue we're dealing with is a few existing owners who have treated the land as their own for years.

Got a similar situation going on with family land that's been in my family long before I was born. I don't have any rights to it yet (still in my Grandma's name I believe) its been leased to the same hunt club for the past 20 some odd years. I eventually expect this land is coming my way, gotta find that happy medium where I can work with those that are currently leasing it. Kicking them right off the land without being able to use it is probably the wrong move. Giving them most of the dates to hunt it while they pay attention to who is using the property is probably more beneficial.

Like I said above best suggestion is get a surveying plat and if you can use a compass/map get a bucket of tree marking paint and a draw knife, watch a youtube video on how to mark properly and have it well marked and then if you catch them they have no excuse which if your lines are seriously marked they can use it as an excuse. In my experience dealing with club leasing kicking a club off never goes well theyll usually come back regardless to spite you unfortunately but not all clubs are like that. Best thing we do is have a sit down with someone on how it should or you feel it be used most hunters are reasonable and will do what they have to to make a landowner happy.

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Conservation easements aint easy and can have its downsides but can be great to preserve what we can. We put our river house and adjacent farm under one last year so itll be left alone. For tresspassing(a huge problem anywhere deer go it seems these days) best advice is trail cameras if you can afford them in places you know they go. Otherwise I always keep our boundary lines well marked with scraped and painted tree lines and posted signs every 50-100 yards depending on the type of land. Trick is you have to physically catch them to be able to do anything game wardens wont go to the lengths they used to unfortunately they like pulling boaters with expired extinguishers more. Also one clear way to send a message if they leave anything on your property like a treestand just grab it and hide it somewhere else I've never had someone come back after doing that.

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Thanks for all that you do with conservation. I own a quarter acre in RVA and have planted 5 trees on it already and am looking at adding 3-4 more, plus one on the corner across the street to replace the old tree the city just cut down and of course will not re-plant. I also told the neighbor to stop cutting off these sapling silver maples growing along our fence line. I've now got a nice 10 foot hight wall of tree to buffer out them. The trees I'm getting I'm transplanting from a farm in Short Pump that is set to be demolished. It is loaded with huge white oaks. Figure I may as well keep those genes going.

I try not to let it get to me but damn, I've worked extremely hard to develop the business I have and try to teach people conservation along the way but some days it seems like no matter how hard I try, personally, politically, etc. to help conserve, I just resign myself to the fact that greed in humans really ruins a lot of natural things most of us enjoy.

My biggest attempt at helping is picking up litter. Everywhere I go you will probably see me pick up garbage on the ground, whether it is on a redfish flat, on a river or in the Kroger parking lot. People look at my like I'm insane, but maybe it will change their mindset some day.

I swear one of these days I'm going to move to Alaska and disappear into the wilderness.

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Dept of Forestry also sells seedlings or small trees as well for decent prices, theyre who we get our bulk seedlings from for wildlife plantings etc. Coming up on planting season as well in December January to march. It infuriates me as someone whos watched rivers go from great to poor but I'm just a casual outdoorsman not someone whos income depends on it, which would make me livid. Biggest pet peeve is people which is sad cause it should be the other way around really. I've already planned it out when I retire ill find a nice remote lake in canada and I'll build a little cabin and a boat and fish for smallies till the day Im in the ground.

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I've spent week down in Beaufort, NC. Have had good weather til yesterday and today when winds kicked up. On Sunday, went out with a local captain to try and find the albie blitz off of Cape Lookout. First hour and a half was slow other than seeing some kings skying and having no rods suitable to run live bait on. Ventured around and found a bunch of boats king fishing and some albie fishing and found part of a school and hooked up with one and lost it at the boat. Ventured farther out to some birds diving, then it was on! Found schools of albies busting and small birds working everywhere we looked. Caught about 25 albies in 3 hours. Man, what an addicting feeling of an albie ripping drag on a trout rod. Ended with seeing some what we thought were larger albies working and hooked up and line started peeling off a bit more than usual and do the usual run all the way around the boat. We see color and realize it was a 42" king mackeral hooked in the corner of mouth which was the only was possible to land this fish on a trout rod with 20 lb flouro leader. Headed inshore to try for some reds and trout. Dad hooked into a nice overslot red on a gold spoon and lost it at the boat. Another red popped off the hook. Tried for some trout and only caught some undersized specks.
Rest of the week, we have spent chasing reds and trout. Caught around 35 trout one day with 3 keepers all around 14.5". Had surprise 16.5" flounder catch when I left my gulp shrimp on the bottom. Had a case of the rubber hooks on my gold spoons, hooking up for seconds with 2 reds that pulled some line and then going slack. Slower trout fishing day yesterday and also jigged for flounder at the port wall but only caught oyster toads. Dad is starting to get the hang of artificials in the past he only wanted to use bait which is a nice improvement. Going out on the Carolina Princess tomorrow to try catching some bottom fish and hopefully hook up with an amberjack on my vertical jigging rod.

nice fish!

take my sister and her hubby out and show them how to catch fish. they retired to Morehead a year or so ago and have been seriously underperforming.

actually, i'll hit you up for some pointers when I go visit

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treble or single hook on the spoon? I've lost more fish/hookup on a spoon than any other bait

Thanks! Sounds good, Dave. I definitely will have some pointers for ya. With your experience, you can probably do better than myself. Single hook on the spoon, just the standard Johnson Silver Minnow Spoon. I think it might have been the line was wrapped around the weedless part of the spoon. I didn't check too closely because I was trying to cast back in the area quickly.

as an inshore, protected water type (i've gotten seasick in a cypress swamp), the nav charts remind me of some of the Texas waters I've fished...Core Sound looks similar to the Lower Laguna Madre, though not as wide. Bogue Sound looks a lot like west Galveston Bay. Any submerged grass up there? Oysters? Sand or mud bottom?

Everything you mentioned

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I am jealous!

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After hearing your stories of catching them, I had to get in on the action. Worked out perfectly with a NE blow on Sunday that the guide said was ideal for turning it on.

They are fun. What guide did you use?

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Excellent post Joe

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That there's a keeper even by French's standards... great work Joe!

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Savage. That is one big stick of butter.

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God only knows what French will do to the bathroom after that big serving of Cracker Barrel

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Joe wins...lol

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16 big red drum (40 inches plus) landed today between 1pm and me leaving at 11pm. Going to grab 3 hours sleep and heading back out.

I got a nice one. Someone else can post the photo (I am limited to my phone.)

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Well, I saw the picture of the fish already, but I think Joe got the better of you on this one, French. We're heading out tomorrow for the mountains or you'd have to make some room on the pier for me. Good luck this week.

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Quick report on today's short trip in the Piankatank. Water was very colored up, tide wasn't right. We found a handful of small fish around docks, biggest a 16.5" striper, several small trout. Found a plethora of 10" black sea bass on a brand new oyster reef, and a bunch of small trout around the bridge. Ate at the new Hole in the Wall restaurant there at the GI boat ramp. Didn't catch a fish up Wilton Creek, nor did the five or six other boats we saw up there that we could tell. Tough day, but we caught enough fish to have fun and those black willies were a ton of fun on six lb test and smallmouth gear. Gulp was pretty much the bait of the day, but can't brag much that's for sure. Hopefully, after tending to the MIL up in the hills, I'll come back to bigger and better. Good luck, all.

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We went out late afternoon on the 'tank into Wilton, seemed to be a little better but not much. Loads of dink trout on flies and gulps, but no size. Caught a couple stripers as well but nothing to brag about there either. We fished the seawall/docks on those houses just outside the mouth of Wilton and had the most luck there.

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And for the love of God, unless we're messing with him, would someone please post that picture of French's drum? Scott? Jack? You know I can't figure it out.

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Wait, wrong one, my bad.

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One thing I notice about big drum is how small their eyes are in relation to their size. Not for nothin', just notice it.

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Redfish definitely do not have the greatest eyesight. They will never see a well placed fly a few feet away from them at times.

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Send me the pic Fish!

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I'll try. I think I have your email.

Edit: I don't have your email, or can't find it.

Looks like smc came through with flying colors. Never mind.

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That's a pretty fish. Never gets old looking at it.

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Went out on the Carolina Princess headboat today, Dad and I both got 4 vermillion snappers on the bottom bait rods. I didn't commit to working the vertical jig til later in the day, got some tips from the one of the mates and starting running into fish. I caught 2 undersized kings and another one cut me off, albie, lost an almaco jack at the boat, keeper trigger. Pretty fun to catch bigger fish on the smaller jigging gear. Will definitely be doing more trips like this in the future.

Vertical jigging can be very fun. We did a lot of that down in Alabama last month. It got to be work when you hooked into a 20 pound blackfin 280 feet down and had to pump that fish up fast or else the sharks would get it.

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Vertical jigging must have been really tough with a fly rod. /s

That does sound like work. I've watched videos where guys break off almost every fish because they are so rushed to get them away from sharks or the wreck. After catching a 5-8 lb albie, a 20 lb blackfin would be a blast.

Oh I had two fly rods rigged in case they came close to the surface or busted on top. The rods we were using were the biggest spin rods I've ever seen. 8000 series reels and bigger. The worst was the rod butt digging into your side as you pumped them up. I had bruises afterwards

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Oh I'm sure. I was just giving you a hard time. I only have 5000 series reel on mine right now but the standard is 8000 or 10000 for the lower gear ratio and higher capacity. Thats what those 1000+ dollars stellas are for. I was starting to have the same issue on my side from working the jig and the rod rubbing.

Sounds like a fun way to spend a day I may look into that for a day next year those trips are affordable atleast.

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Yeah it is a good time and affordable. Pretty much guaranteed to catch some fish. The longer trips (18 or 24 hr) you get a better bang for your buck. With anchoring and moving spots and motoring out there, you end up with your line in the water for about 4.5 hours on a 11 hour trip. The albies on the fly is a big thing, at some point I would recommend taking a trip if you have some extra cash or have someone to go with.

Id be interested solely on being able to catch something like an albie or kingfish or anything different like that the grouper really dont interest me but being that im trying to put money away to buy a house I cant really afford a deep sea charter boat so this is an attractive option.

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I completely agree with you. It allows you the opportunity to catch pelagics without paying as much. The offshore trolling thing is tough to get 4-6 other people together that you can go at the same time and a bit pricier. Grouper are super tasty and are supposed to be a good fight. For my jigging setup, I used my Battle II 5000 reel with 40 lb braid and 60 lb mono leader with a Shimano Trevala 6'6" MH rated for 110-240 g jigs. The other way to try catch the bigger fish is drift lines using cigar minnow which I didn't try.

Here are some links to help you out, https://cudamanadventures.com/vertical-jigging-2/a-quick-guide-to-vertic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0DvD36ENM&lc=z22vzhi40xjtzxew404t1aokg...
In the comments, I ask him some questions that could help you out
https://www.ebay.com/usr/kevinjc1?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 this guy sells bare jigs for cheap so you can paint and add assist hook which is a lot cheaper than paying 10+ bucks for a jig

Went out Thursday night after work on the edge of the Choptank River. Unfortunately the fishing pier (old bridge) is still shut down. They're removing the lights, and haven't finished the job...3 weeks later. Anyway, just trying to get some fresh air and mental health, hit a nice spot of perch. Just kept pulling em out. I didn't prep for keeping them, but a few older locals came up and started eye balling my run. Asked them if they wanted what I was pulling and they said heck yeah! So helped them fill a bucket in about an hour, ran out of worms, had a great night, and enjoyed the heck out of it. Went out Saturday for about an hour and didn't get one single bite...........

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This pretty much killed my favorite November fishing. I heard it is going to be closed for a long time. So much for buying that Maryland license this year.

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Yeah, this is a pain. Thought it was as simple as just removing the light posts, but should have known that it wouldn't be that easy.

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for Ifish, the Scout in this photo is my rig (from a week ago)

you can see the anchor stick clipped on the top of the starboard gunwale

Really nice picture. Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks, Dave. And I agree that it is a great photo.

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great photo and beautiful boat!

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French landed another one.

Got here at 3:45 am. The bluefish were thick, as I regularly caught two at a time on my trout jig until I limited out. I switched to trout and managed several close to keeping, but no 14 inch trout. For the last two hours, the spot bite has been hot.

Randy got a big drum this AM. I got a little biter shark and a butterfly ray. The wind switches tomorrow and it should be on.

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Sitting in the concrete prison in the cold working 7-4 leaves me envious, hope the winds bring the big drum around and best of luck

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Are bluefish good to eat or are there other reasons to keep them?

One of the best to eat, simply put though eat them soon as you can after catching they tend to be very oily and a few days doesnt pass well.

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Thanks for the tip. Any preferred methods of preparing and cooking?

Only good use of Bluefish in my opinion: Crab trap bait

I've smoked them for fish dip same day and it was OK - not nearly as good as Kingfish or Spanish Mackerel.

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Shark bait too. I've heard if you bleed them and eat them ASAP they're not bad. I tried it and didn not have th ebest experience. They either turn into bait or or go back in the water when I catch them...

Side note, my bud caught one last month, reeled it in and it didn't fight at all...got it on the boat to find out it was dead. Not exactly sure how it died it was less than 1 minute between hit and boated.

Only way I eat them is very fresh and deep fried, If im broiling or doing anything other than frying its gotta be flounder or spanish mackerel quite simply.

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Small bluefish, filleted and skinned then fried are delicious. Agree with the "fresh" part, though. Smoked bluefish, done by someone who knows what they're doing, is delicious as well. I actually have had a couple of good large blues prepared by a knowledgeable chef, but my personal attempts have failed to make a palatable meal out of those over a couple of pounds or so, except smoked.
As for the fish you reeled in dead, There seems to be a nerve somewhere in there that can kill a fish if it is hooked just right, I know of a few that folks have told me about that happening, over the years. Also heard from a guide about a smallmouth they hooked that actually bled out before making it to the boat. Trailed blood and was pale as a ghost and dead when they landed it. Hook hit something just right.
Finally, on the bluefish front. With the chance of annoying Musky with another of my old tired stories, I remember not all that long ago, reading in a local paper about a fellow who caught a bluefish that had been filleted and tossed back in by one of his neighbors a few docks down a little before he caught it. Organs were still intact, and bluefish are pretty voracious, but that was a new one on me.

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It was quite the experience we could not stop laughing. Little guy went to a good cause though we got a solid 5-6' black tip hooked up on him brought him up to the side of the boat at which point you're sitting there wishing you were in something that sits a little bit more out of the water than a flats boat.

Heads are good drum bait. Live bluefish are my preferred cobia bait.

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ever use cheese for bait?

Freshwater trout love cheese, and catfish like it too, with a blood sauce, of course.

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Nope. I used the red salmon eggs, not the cheese ones.

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For food, depends on who you ask. I have local NC friends who make the most delicious smoked bluefish and eat lots of it, along with spanish mack. I also have NC friends who look at me like I'm an alien because I like smoked bluefish and use spanish mackerel to make tacos.

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Landed my first Chain Pickerel last night in my usual pond. Hit the hook like a champ. Prob 20" or so, and one heck of a mouth. Luckily I got it off the hook without getting bit. And then proceeded to land a large mouth. Fall fishing has been decent so far.

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Well done, 20" is a very nice size pickerel!

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Pretty fish. First one I've seen. Kid down there this weekend said he caught one and I thought he was just kidding and was confused with something else. Nope...big toothy dinosaur.

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French, I am thinking about heading to Hatteras tonight or tomorrow to try for some big drum. I see there's some weather moving in tomorrow and looks like a lot of rain. One report is telling me the wind will come from the west, the other is telling me the wind will come from the east and/or southeast. From what I gather, the north wind is the good one, which is what it is at the moment. Will a switch mess things up for the big girls in surf/on the inlet shoals?

Thanks in advance!

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It really depends on where you go. At Cape Point, SW is best. Cape Point to Rodanthe is due east on the beaches. From Jennettes Pier to Kitty Hawk, North East is the best (But hard to throw a fly.) If you can drive on the beach, Corolla and Corova (just south of the VA state line) are holding drum close to the beach on SW winds. I am not sure why SW works there, but that is where everyone headed when there was a westerly while I was here. I think where the wind pushes the water out far enough that when the tide is low you can get to the outer slough's and reach the drum. I do know where you find menhaden you will find drum.

Everything has been here. I have caught Spanish and bigger Taylor bluefish on stingsilver, and I saw alberts on Wednesday. I caught pompano, spot, and small black drum all week. Yesterday was a Banner day for sea mullet and I saw a bunch of keeper trout.

For this time of year, here is my guide for KDH vicinity:

SW wind- slow in the AM, bluefish early. Spot bites can materialize

NW wind- all kinds of trout, most short of keeping. Bluefish if the water isn't too muddy. Spot bite is more likely

N wind- drum even when rough. I had to throw 10oz sinkers on Wednesday. When it eases up, all fall species

NE wind- even better for drum on the northern beaches in Dare county. If it isn't too rough, NE is also ideal for all other species

S and SE almost never happens.

I caught the following species this week:
Red drum
Bluefish
Spot
Spanish mackerel
Speckled trout
Gray trout
Black drum
Sea mullet
Pompano
Croaker (1)
Houndfish (1)
Sand perch
Pinfish

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Awesome, much appreciate the info! I know how wind works for me on the soundside with regards to the yakking and redfish and i know how it works for Morehead but it still confuses me as far as the beach fishing in OBX.

Congrats on all of your catches!

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Found out I still have my 40% off of Abel fly reels got really excited went to the their site and built one out without paying attention to the price. 40% off doesn't matter much when the reel is $1,350

Pro deal?

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Yeah

He's hot!

That's a lot of cheddar!

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Here is the full report for my trip to the Outer Banks.

I departed from Falls Church at 11:00PM on Tuesday night on October 16th. I made a couple of stops and strolled onto the pier around 6:00AM. There was a light northwest wind. Usually that means trout and bluefish, and the pattern held true. Gotcha plugs produced undersized trout and larger than normal tailor bluefish around 14-17 inches. The water was 73 degrees, and I managed to have my best spanish mackerel day in years, with well over a dozen landed and 4 over 16 inches.

Bottom fishing was a slog on day 1. I managed a mixed bag, mostly of small speckled trout with a handful of small spot, four pompano, and a variety of trash fish to fill out the day. I kept the spot and my limit of smaller bluefish to use as baits. With bait being so limited, I kept my drum gear out of the water for long stretches.

Thursday featured a strong north wind. Several drum were caught before I put mine on the deck. The spot were a bit more cooperative, but not much. A bluefish head was the ticket for my drum.

Friday was back to a light northwest. The drum fishing was a slow pick and I didn't score. I focused on getting bait and managed enough spots that well-iced would set me up well for Monday. I debated over the first three days how much I would fish on Saturday. There was a strong N blow (30kts) which would have some potential for a drum bite, but I was also completely exhausted after three straight 15 hour plus fishing days. The decision was made when SusieCue showed up on the pier out of nowhere to surprise me and spend the weekend with my parents and I.

Nine drum were caught on Saturday in the north blow while I shopped with Susan, ate breakfast at Sam and Omies, and lunch at High Cotton BBQ. I was having some serious FOMO. My parents arrived at 6pm and we grabbed dinner at Barefoot Bernies. After dinner, we started a marathon run of Ticket to Ride (a board game) which lasted into Sunday.

I headed back to the pier at 3:00AM on Monday morning, and the early wake up paid off. I managed another nice red drum while another Hokie alumni named Devon caught two nice drum. Mine hit a spot head from Friday afternoon. As the water cleared up, the bluefish and spot run hit heavy. We loaded up the spots in the cooler with a smattering of bluefish heads (in case the pickers-little bluefish, crabs, little sharks got bad.) My parents came out in the afternoon and put a hurting on the spot and trout population. Dad got his first fish since his open heart surgery on his second cast. You just had to pick how you wanted to fish, and you were going to catch something. I had a blast throwing the Bowed Up Lures version of a stingsilver and having big chunky bluefish hammer it on light tackle.

Tuesday was the Lions Club Visually Impaired Tournament, so there was a big crowd. The "VIPs" were treated to a hot spot bite, with plenty of big yellow bellies mixed in. The pickers were bad and I went through a bunch of bait, so it was nice to replenish.

Wednesday the wind turned back out of the north in the 20-25kt range. It was cold and miserable. At least a dozen drum were caught, but I didn't get on the board. I packed it in a little early due to the cold, knowing Thursday would likely be a hot bite.

Thursday morning came, and sure enough the drum showed up about an hour before high tide and bit heavily through lunch. I managed my one fish, a 46 inch beauty. One guy (George) got 6 fish, with one mammoth going 50 inches. It was also a frustrating day. The word got out pretty early, and suddenly we were covered up in folks fishing the phone bite that I had not seen in the previous week and a half. I managed to get my fish about an hour after high tide (despite having another angler's line wrapped all around me.) My body pretty much quit on me that afternoon, despite the bite warming back up. By dark, it was an absolute dumpster fire. After seeing 35 or so fish landed all day, with maybe 10 from 5-8PM, I packed it up to go watch another dumpster fire on ESPN.

The "Key" Takeaways:

Early in the trip, the drum bite was all over the place. The longer you had a fresh bait in the water, the better chance you had. By the second half of the trip, the dependable bite came an hour on either side of the high tide. Then about 3 hours after high tide, the spot would start biting on outgoing. The wind patterns added to the predictability of the bite. NW/WNW meant trout and bluefish with a chance of spot. NNW-NE meant drum and spot, with the drum biting in the muddier/choppier water. We had a nice spot bite on the SW wind, which was a bit odd.

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Thanks for the report. Sounds like an amazing week.

As someone who is relatively clueless in saltwater, I wonder why different species seem to prefer different wind conditions?

Different wind conditions align better with their feeding habits. NW wind where I was meant bait stacks up on the beach and the water is calm. When you caught a bluefish, they would spit up mounds of glass minnows and chunks of small herrings. They were gorging themselves. The drum want white water with a strong chop. They are predators and eat things that get stirred up in the rough surf. Wind off the water causes that chop. Kill Devil Hills beaches face NE, so a N, NE, E, and ESE wind is an onshore wind and usually chops up the water. When you go down south to Cape Point or the south facing beaches, a S/SW wind gets them going.

When I am thinking about going fishing in the OBX, you can bet that I have an internet browser tab set on the inshore marine forecast, the 10 day Weather.com forecast, and the hourly forecast when I get close to the day I can go. I look for patterns and wind changes (just because the marine forecast says 10 kts NE doesn't mean it will be like that all day.) Historically I have not paid much attention to the tides, but the tide situation mattered this year and I made note of it.

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Excellent. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I have a lot to learn about fishing on the beach. It's hard when you only go once maybe twice per year and usually not to the same area. With time, maybe my annual trips to OBX and NE Florida will provide adequate learning opportunities. Thanks again.

has anyone started finding schoolies in the middle Bay yet? I picked up a couple of crippled herring today.

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French, word I got today from a "guy" I met and talked to about his boat, is that there is a report of some schoolies in the mouth of the Rapp. Likely true, but I don't think the big thing is happening yet.
I was scheduled to go out today, then the forecast changed last night and we bagged it. Bad call. We could've gone, I think. Tomorrow's forecast changed this morning, so we planned to go tomorrow morning. Then, late this afternoon the forecast changed again, and the waves went up to 2-3. Well, we bagged it again. Nice living near the water, but so much of the time, the wind/waves/weather is against you.

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yep, wind has been weird this week. I picked up 3 more crippled herrings today

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French, I see your blocks of cheese and raise you a Halloween Pumpkin... 45 inches and approx 30 pounds.

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North wind at 5 knots was the ticket. Wind had been out of the south / southwest Friday through late Monday night and yesterday was my only shot to get out in the boat. I know very little about fishing for Old Drum so it was pretty exciting to see two other boats hauling these in as I headed out a quarter mile off the beach. I gave the charters their space and casted near the same areas they were hooking up. It ate a Red / White / Chartruese bucktail that I hand tied myself. I had another bite, but missed her. One of the boats landed at least 15. He must have had an excellent bottom finder as the water was murky and very little clarity to see or find them. I wanted more, but one was certainly good enough. Definitely going to get a better boat and head on down there again next year, if not this year. My little 17 Carolina Skiff is not made for 3-5 foot rollers in the ocean. I think it would be possible for me to get one on fly if I've got a good boat driver, solid electronics to locate them and north wind under 10. I was flying blind yesterday.

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Awesome work. I have always been told Gold and red is a money color. I have only caught one on a bucktail in a boat so I am definitely not the authority.

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Thanks! Interesting to hear, every angler on the charter boats (5 of them) were throwing white and chartreuse. Gold would make sense as it is killer for the puppy drum. My buddy who caught the other 4 said he throws a really big gold Hopkins. I think they will eat anything so long as you get it in their face.

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I did some calling around. Red, Gold, Chartreuse all received thumbs up from local guys. They said don't fish pink or orange. I am not sure why those would be bad.

I do remember, when I got mine on a bucktail, I had the bucktail tipped with a skinny triangle piece of fresh squid.

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That's awesome for flying blind. How deep were they off the beach? I've only ever fished for the big ones off jetty holes and the like where you're talking about 40 ft and they're sitting just off the bottom. Pretty hard to get after them with artificial unless you're going to jig or throw a deep diving crank.

They were probably anywhere from 15-30 feet deep. I don't have a depth finder. I was told sometimes they come up on the surface.

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I have seen big schools on the surface, especially when they are tracking a school of fatback (menhaden.)

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Congrats! Beautiful fish.

Going out after stripers tomorrow to hopefully get one on a fly in the morning can't wait!

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Buddy of mine fished the Piankatank Sunday and said most of the boat is moving out into the open water. Sinking line and bigger clousers and deceivers will work well under birds at the mouth of the Rapp.

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Hope you find some fish and avoid the waves and wind. The deeper docks on the East should have a few stripers and some trout. Last time I did it, it seemed like sometimes the fish were off the dock a ways. Relating to it on the down tide side, for sure, but not right on it. Please give us a report. I haven't wanted to buck the elements, but admit to being lazy in my old age. Early and late, the winds die and the water calms, but it's just enough hassle to trailer, launch, recover and then flush and spray...well, unless I get a good half day or more, I just wait for better conditions. Good luck.

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How did ya do?

est. 35-40 mostly undersized fish today north of St Augustine. highlight (other than beautiful weather, great company, and steady action) was a barely legal red on a topwater...always a blast.

nice!

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what kind of grease do you use for spinning reel drag?

That's a good question, dave. When I was a kid, we used vaseline, and I've used everything available at times, WD 40, 3-1 oil, Crisco (camping trip, cheap reel) including grease gun grease and in the pinchiest of pinches, I've used repeated dunkings in water to keep the gears going for just a little while more in a good bite with a bad reel. Then I bought some Abu Garcia and used that with moderate satisfaction. Now, I have a friend who makes his own. He's a "certified" Shimano fixer, and he's shown to be proficient. I'll reach out to him and see what his formula is. He and I fixed a couple of my guide reels that weren't happy about the move to the salt and the grease has worked really well and lasted several years with moderate use.

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well, Shimano 2500 series spinning reels are my go-to, so any Shimano-friendly formula would be especially welcome. I recently tried Quicksilver 2-4-C (because I had some), so we'll see how that works out.

Dave, my man has sent me his info, but I'm going out today for a while to try for some trout and stripers. I'll summarize his missive later on and get it to you. He did stress that most, or many, decent modern reels have drag washers made of stuff that supposedly never needs lubing, but that he does his anyway. He has his ho'made stuff but also mentioned some commercially available lubes he considers good. He's a bit of a whack job, but he definitely knows his reels and repairs/maintenance stuff. Back with you this evening.

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thanks! any info much appreciated.

good luck out on the water!

Sorry for the delay, dave. French and 3rdGen and I were out 'til dark and I was kinda weary last night. Our day was a bit tough, strong east wind and 2-3' waves on the Bay kept us in a harbor and a bit in a couple of rivers. Cold front and a ridiculously low tide completed the obstacle course for us. We managed to work hard enough to end up with a nearly decent day, with small stripers and specs, one keeper striper and a bodacious white perch. 3rdGen, as usual, caught the big 'uns, while French and I added a few dinks each in support. The sunny day, picturesque clouds and fantastic company completed the experience, and French even brought some fried chicken!

To the reel grease. My friend said he makes his using Penn or Yamaha marine grease mixed with graphite and molybdenum cremate (?????) which he says is arguably slipperier than graphite. If you want to make it, he said he'd look up the proportions since he made a big batch several years ago which'll never go bad. He likes the Penn and Yamaha products because of their high temp, low friction coefficients, obviously necessary for the high temperature in a small space under the extended pressure of a high speed run. Of course, regardless of what you use, super light amounts are sufficient. He always greases his drag washers regardless of their composition and manufacturer's recommendation.
As for commercial products, he says Penn and Cal's reel grease are really good products that he finds perfectly satisfactory. He made his own out of personal inquisitiveness and a general feeling that he can always improve on practically anything (but Gulp, which he bemoans regularly), but said he'd use Penn or Cal's with confidence. So, that's all I got.

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3rdGen cornered the market on the heaviest of multiple species.

I, meanwhile, lolligagged my way to one rockfish and a handful of trout that were the size of a hotdog. Boom!

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I'm a one trick pony of white gulp shrimp! I bought new zman scented shrimp to try out and forgot about it and meant to try some mirrorlures I got. Wish we could have gotten hot and heavy on the trout.

shrimp or curly tails (swimming mullet)?

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Yep, it works well for me. I want to get those Zman Shrimp or any Zman to work as well as Gulp to save me some money from buying so much gulp.

I fish almost exclusively zman stuff. I bought gulp one of my first times out, stopped using those after pin fish would destroy the bait in a cast or two.

I lose a lot of Gulp when flounder fishing in certain waters. Pinfish aren't a problem here. Lose them to croaker, whiting, lizards, bluefish, puffers, and the flounder as well. But, I catch more flounder with them than anything else I've tried in these waters, or anyone with me has used. Yeah, I'll go through a couple of packs on occasion, but that's usually on a good day. Other than that, it works well for reds, trout and dock stripers. Gimme something as good or better that's cheaper and I'll buy it tomorrow. Luckily, it's not needed for stripers when they're schooled up, but it works really well then, too.

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i am totally unfamiliar with zman...what do you use?

thanks. molybdenum cremate sounds like cremated remains...will probably skip that. adding a little graphite to the marine grease could be interesting.

I'm working on a way to improve rigging a gulp : )

Probably just Molybdenum Grease. Really sticky, high pressure use grease

Hell, it's all Greek to me.

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that sounds better...much better

Sold my boat yesterday. Having sold 186 of them when I worked for POOP Yachts (shutters), I finally understand the sad and weird feeling of watching it get towed away. But an upgrade is needed and I need the cash in the mean time.

Trying to decide on the upgrade. Looking at...

Tidewater 1900 SV
Sea Pro 1900 SV
Bulls Bay 1900
(essentially the same boats)
Ranger 2000 Bay
Pathfinder 2000 V
Hewes 18 or 20 Redfisher or Bayfisher
Assorted other flats boats.

Also, if anyone is interested in a Tarpon 120 in used condition, I've got one for sale. $300.

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Two of my buddies have Tidewaters that I am jealous of. They are beautiful boats and with high quality parts from what I have noticed. I think the prices might be a little more on those, but I have never heard a bad review on them.

"Can't argue with that logic" - Rick Sanchez

Two of my friends have Tidewaters as well and they are great. Not terribly high pricing for the used market. I just can't decide if I want to be able to run and guide super shallow or a little bit more open water. Decisions, decisions....

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Seems to me the question is where do you want to guide, what do you want to catch, and what kind of anglers are you hoping to guide. Super shallow water in the Chesapeake is not where most of the fish are, but is where much of the available fly fishing is. You need room, deck space, and some ability to be flexible for days when tide/wind and waves are a problem for either shallow or deeper water angling. If I were starting my guiding days instead of over them, I'd be hard pressed to guide the Chesapeake with less than two boats. One for the big water, one for the skinny stuff. But I know you know this.

Edit: Meant to mention Chris Newsome. I've never seen him in anything but his pretty big Triton, but I've seen him pretty much everywhere I fish around here, at least on this side of the Bay, and his ride looks to be a good approach. Not sure of the length, maybe 22', but it looks big for a flats boat. I personally don't think 19' is big enough, though.

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Seems to me the question is where do you want to guide, what do you want to catch, and what kind of anglers are you hoping to guide.

I'd add, how many anglers you want to guide as well.

Yep, that's the juggle I'm having. I took plenty of folks out in my 17 Carolina Skiff. I've fished many flats boats at 17-19 feet. Not worried at too small of a size at 19 for two people. I've also got to be able to easily tow it.

Newsome runs a 22 Triton as his smaller boat. His bigger boat, not sure the specs.

Unfortunately, two boats is out of the question for me unless I suddenly start making tons of money.

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I figured Chris had another boat with his advertising CBBT trips also, but I've been out there in a friend's 17' Sea Hunt, so I didn't know for sure.
True flats boats are made for true flats, too. Here, it seems the flats are not as protected or as ubiquitous as down in the more Southern climes, and a lot of running might be the order of many days. With two anglers and yourself, it'd be nice to have a dry ride along with plenty of room for gear and guys. But then again, it's easy for me to spend your money for you, and like you, I likely never would have been able to afford two good saltwater boats. I did toy briefly with the idea of guiding here, but the Captain's license hassle and the start-up costs were prohibitive. While I was done with river guiding and tired of rowing my ass off, I would have enjoyed trying to get up to speed quickly enough to keep my client list going for a start, but reality set in quickly. I'm not necessarily too old to do it, but I am too old to start it all up again. That, and retirement is kinda cool, too.

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Checked out Newsome website, he has Triton 240 LTS and a Sea Hunt Triton 240 with a Tower

I thought his Triton looked big, not surprised at the 24'. I think I could get by with that.

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I see lots of cobia and chum in that boat's future

I sold several of those exact models. Good boats

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Yeah, I'm starting to lean more towards the bay boat than a deep v-hull center console in my boat buying thoughts. Need to weigh out what is most important to fish for and get something based off that.

Flyguy's thoughts about trailering the boat are pertinent here as well. If you're going to be trailering your boat down to Carolina and such, you don't want a behemoth in the rear view dominating the trip. Thing is, priorities change and it's hard to know now what you'll want to be doing three or four years from now. Sunday, we were rubbing sand where we'd caught trout the last time out, and I'm not sure most flats boats would have fared much better there. On the other hand, sitting at anchor chumming the Spit, it's nice to have something that'll keep you dry. Luckily, you've been getting a dose of several different boats and approaches lately, and you're still looking, so you have time to think it out. I know for affordability, I'm resigned, if not entirely contented, with living with what I have and fishing the water this side of the Bay, but I'd love to be able to get to the other side without breaking the bank for a boat and the money for the gas to actually use it.

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Thanks for the wise words Tom, I'm in the beginning of my fishing life. I've definitely tried a bunch of different styles and areas of fishing. The only difference a bay boat would have is that is has a jack plate in those shallow areas instead of having to tilt the motor. Like you said the fish should be going to the deep sloughs near by anyway. I think the Triton bay boat takes chop well but we were never anchored which is a different story. The last half of your last sentence rings true to me. How much you are actually going to use your boat for each application is important.

"Long may you run."

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Such a good song!

Captain Will Jones that I went out with had a Triton 220 LTS with Yamaha 225 SHO. It was a pretty sweet ride. Just another bay boat to add to your category.

Are you going to full time guiding in the salt when you get the new boat?

I don't know anything about catching reds but a Facebook page I follow, Frank and Frans, posted a photo of an absolute hog caught yesterday in what appeared to be the surf not off a pier. 50" and thick! One day I'll tackle that learning curve but it's probably gonna be a while.

Yep. The drum have been chewing at The Point, Avon, Rodanthe Pier, and Ocracoke today. I have been getting a fair amount alerts. Sadly, I think I am done for the year red drum wise, unless some are around when I am fishing for whiting on the panhandle in a few weeks.

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I have been feverishly working on the double film reviews this week (along with a UVA preview for Thanksgiving reading.)

However, I enjoyed a very pleasant day on the water with VTFish and 3rdGen. It was my first time perusing the backwaters for trout, puppy drum, and rockfish in a boat. My experience has been fishing from a pier or open water. It was an interesting learning experience. It is VERY difficult to transition from using 1oz lures and very violent jigging to throwing 3/8 oz jigs and Gulp shrimp and lightly twitching. I did manage one chunky little rockfish that was well short of keeping and a handful of little speckled trout. It was enjoyable to learn about different types of fishing and talk a little Hokies football, although I am sure the bad taste from Saturday stymied a bit of that.

Hopefully the weather lets us get another trip in. It seems like the weather gods don't like us this week.

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Just wait till I hand you a fly rod....

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I'll pay to watch that, and you'd best duck. Get French in a kayak and I'll be selling tickets!

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While I would need to drop about 100 pounds, kayak fishing for cobia around Buckroe has fascinated me.

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Where is Buckroe??

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Buckroe Beach is the last exit before you reach the tunnel on 64.

Yep, google Buckroe Pier. It is the ESE facing beach on the east side of Hampton. The Rockpile is around the point at the north tip of the peninsula. There is a guy who posted some youtube videos cobia fishing in that area from a yak. He got lots of hook ups, and very few landings because he had bad equipment and (to his credit) was trying to net his cobia from the yak.

Rob Choi in Virginia and Rob Alderman in the OBX are the two guys I regard as the top experts for pursuing cobia from a yak. I know a couple of other guys who have caught them, but it is a rare and prized yak fish.

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Be forewarned- watching this guy catch this fish will give you angina. It is basically everything you could do wrong and still catch a fish.

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That was tough to watch. Good thing he quit after that, he's gonna die out there...
Found this video, some epic drone footage (Enjoy!):

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Ah BlacktipH. What a goober. Austin is a damn good captain though.

I love sight casting for them from a good platform.

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Yea, i dont know that guy, but he seemed over the top. I linked it cause the drone views are sooooo sweet.
The boat crew did seem legit.

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yes, the drone shots are cool. We filmed my last really big one with a drone, but it doesn't have the cool audio to go with it or the cast/presentation.

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I remember you sharing that! That fish is a PIG!! Sweet video. Enjoyed it them, enjoying it now!

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You're not kidding. Anchoring sideways to start with has me cringing. This is why I pretty much only yak in water I can stand in, or if it's too deep and I'm going to fall in or get ripped out, I'm somewhere I can swim to shore. Otherwise, I'm going to take my future boat.

Thanks for the intel on Buckroe!

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Yeah looks like he most definitely has an anchor trolley, which are super helpful but I have no idea why he'd leave it in the middle of the boat then have his bait lines right next to it looks like a recipe for disaster.

I had a great set up on my river raft that I could control from my rowing seat in the middle, but the rope ran through some pulleys and back to a small arm off the rear of the boat. I cannot imagine anchoring in the middle of any boat unless it's on perfectly flat water on a perfectly calm day, and even then I'd be worried. As for trying to fish around the anchor, that seems pretty nuts. We do have a little trouble cobia fishing because the chum bag is anchored on a rope at the stern and we have baits nearby. 3rdGen's cobia last summer did pick up the rope on its way in, but we got that straightened out with no negatory resultance. 3rd staying cool about it helped.

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Live footage of me in a kayak:

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nightmares...thanks

If you could make it 20 feet from shore without flipping, you wouldn't be the worst person I've guided in a kayak.

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It's a different world that's for sure. Enjoyed fishing with you and soaking in some of your football knowledge. Looking forward to another trip. One day we will get you a puppy drum!

The white whale...

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Someday, Flyguy is definitely dialed in on his puppy drum spots. Next year, I'm going to put more time into figuring it out.

So long as we don't have the torrential rains all summer like we had this past season, there will be better drum fishing next year in the Bay. I also heard from some old timer NC guys that the year after a hurricane means excellent drum fishing. NC will hopefully be really good next year as well.

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Good to know. If I'm going drum fishing it will most likely be down in Beaufort. Will Jones was talking about how he liked the summer fishing for reds better than fall.

Beaufort NC or SC?

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NC. My granddad has a place down there

Other than hitting a boat or two and a dock or two, you actually performed pretty well, I thought. The fish didn't cooperate enough for you to get a lot of experience and feel out of it, but it is obvious that you have the chops.
Since the wind laid down and the seas are at 1', I'm heading out right now. Report to come, if the fishing warrants it.

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Other than hitting a boat or two and a dock or two, you actually performed pretty well, I thought

I'm hoping that he hit them with casts and not with the boat...

You are correct. French wasn't driving the boat just IFish

Best of luck and tight lines, IFish

I hit one boat with a jig head, two docks, and found a crab post because I didn't see the rope in the water. However I only lost one jighead, so it wasn't too tragic.

I am much more used to firing a 1oz gotcha into space and ripping it back for bluefish and spanish. I have never been particularly sound at any kind of fishing which is more about touch and technique rather than volume, time, and blunt force trauma.

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Fair enough. I've done both on the same day its fun to go from ripping 1.5oz swim jigs for JC on heavy tackle to light tackle 1/4 oz jigs barely moving them off the bottom. I generally laugh at my first couple casts moving back to light tackle. Usually lollipops up in the air and misses my target location by 10-20ft.

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French, you did just fine. If the fish had been a bit more numerous, you'd have caught at least half as many as 3rdGen, I'm sure of it. And while I've not hit a boat yet, I've come close and been on my share of docks. Have also lost enough baits on crab pots off of docks to be pretty wary of any rope dangling in the water. Gonna happen.

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Mrs Dave left a jig in a wind sock...on a flagpole...on a boathouse...on the end of a dock in the St Johns

Today's report. Went out for 7 hours from Gwynn's Island to the mouth of the Rapp. Found a tide line rife with bait and a few birds, but only got a few snapper blues. Found a couple of small pods of schoolies under a handful of birds a bit more offshore and got a few there. Came back in and fished a rockpile and found a bunch of schoolie sized stripers, but biggest was 19". Wind and waves came up and screwed that up, so we tooled around, got on 17" striper by the GI bridge. Saw a dude flyfishing the pilings and another guy casting grubs. They got a few spike specs it looked like.
Weather is all downhill from here, but that'll bring on the large schools of stripers absconding to the south.

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Thanks for the report. I've got a client that wants to fish tomorrow, Friday or Saturday, but the weather is looking more like typical fall weather the next several days.

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Looks like I am guiding tomorrow out there. Putting in on the Piankatank.

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Good luck and stay safe. The OBX looked snotty today.

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The guy I surf fish with in Hatteras, said they were getting a couple drum but having to fight thru tons of big sharks. Losing lots of gear

Ummm, tomorrow's coastal forecast is for E winds 15-20kt in the morning, subsiding to 10-15 in early pm. 3-4' waves, in the Bay itself, obviously not in the river. Chance of rain in the morning, rain likely in the pm. Things should calm down by late, but not the most propitious of prognostications. Then again, they aren't always right, are they?
Good luck and please let us know how you do. I've been hearing that every afternoon, stripers have been caught above the bridge, and we saw some yesterday early pm between the island and the golf course. Saw several trout fishermen and a kayak guy as well. If you can get on the water, you may have some action.

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Thanks for the intel. What do you use for weather reporting? I've been watching the Navionics app like a hawk since yesterday. Today was supposed to be blowing 15 knots out of the north. It has been at an 8 of max according to the app and my friend who drove over the route 3 bridge said it looked calm this am. He said there were lots of birds working and also birds around the Piankatank bridge. NOAA right now says 10-12 mph winds in Topping from the north.

For tomorrow Navionics is showing me 12 knots in the am and dropping to 10 knots out of the east throughout the afternoon before the wind switches south down to 8 and finally 5. Precipitation went from 100% down to 50%. I only pay attention to radar for that anyways.

It's not the best forecast but I told the client it would be windy and he wants to go. Money talks, especially for a broke fishing guide. I figured the Piankatank would be the best option as it is generally protected better. Thanks for the intel, it is much appreciated!

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Like you, I rely on radar for rain. I look at the gov'mint's Coastal Waters Forecast for wind and waves. Not always right, but it goes both ways when they're wrong.
My friend who lives on the 'Tank said that his buddy went to the Piankatank bridge yesterday and got three with a keeper. Hal went today and managed a dozen, biggest 19", but said he saw bigger fish caught. Same general area, but he and his buddy were doing like the rest of the striper, errrrr rockfish fishermen and trolling small bucktails and small stretches. For me, trolling is borrrrrrrring and I hate it, but that's working for them. Either way, the wind was totally whoopin' around here today and yet the Piankatank was fishable. Hope that works for you tomorrow.
I know all about going when you can, because you need to. Since I had to do all the rowing and my big raft was a virtual sail, I would cancel if it looked too bad, especially since on the New, the wind was ALWAYS in my face. But we fished in the rain. If they called for 2", I bagged it, but I fished in rain, sleet and snow, often in the same day, and enough wind to absolutely hate that fuckin' Mariah. Chuck called the wind "Tammy Faye" because she was the biggest bitch he could think of at the time. Britt Stoudenmire once told me he had a mantra when the wind was messing up the day. "The wind...the wind...the wind is my friend". Good luck!

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Live report from a friend fishing the Cape Hatteras Anglers Club surf fishing tournament today:

"You aren't having fun until you sea mullet fish with 10 oz sinkers"

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That's hilarious. I saw the wind forecast down there and can see why they need 10 oz.

Well finally getting to where I can slow down and breath a bit the last few days have been absolute chaos with deer season warming up my time is getting limited. But on last week I went out fly fishing for stripers thursday morning and had an absolute blast using my 7 weight. Caught 25 nice stripers in the first hour of daylight but then the wind kicked up and pushed all the water out to the bay and seemingly the fish followed as once the 20-30 mile an hour wind go fired up the my casting went downhill fast and the fish went out it seemed. Only hooked the guide once and myself 3 times as the breeze didnt bode well for my non double hauling self. The guy I went with is an absolute pro fly fisherman and got a kick watching me try to cast in the big wind. I caught nine in the end all around 16-19 inches so got a personal record for fish on the fly at 19.5 inches which was lots of fun on a 7 weight. Still havent had a fish I needed to play on the spool but the guy who took me wants to go again so I'll be trying to figure out how to double haul until then and hope to get a bigger one next time. Wish I had pictures but it was chaotic when we were in the fish and didnt get but a simple picture of the two keepers on the fillet board.

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Glad you got into them. There aren't a ton of fish that are going to pull drag on a fly rod unless you get over the 22-24 inch mark I've found, or are using a smaller rod than a 7 weight. A striper in the mid 20s would probably pull some, but they don't make huge runs anyways. Your best option in my opinion for a fish that is able to fight on the reel is a redfish.

Double haul:

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Have to agree with you about fish on the reel. Used to kill me when my fly guys had to get a 14" smallmouth on the reel. Even the 20s very seldom (if ever) ran in such a manner as to have to rely on the reel drag, and it was a good way to lose the fish trying to play that game. Reds, on the other hand, won't give you much choice and you'd best be managing that line you've stripped in working for the strike.

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fly fishing sounds hard, yo.

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It's really not, it just depends on how well you listen and how well you accept what the coach is telling you.

There's a shirt floating around these days that says something along the lines of "if it didn't work, try doing what your guide said"

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Used to kill me when my fly guys had to get a 14" smallmouth on the reel.

It is absolutely the easiest way to lose a fish. I think we all go through a phase of wanting to do it because we think it's a macho thing. I had that phase but realized the fish pics after were better than reeling it in, so mine was short lived. The quickest way to learn that fighting a fish on a reel isn't the smart thing to do is try to grab a spinning reel handle with a ten pound albacore on the other end.

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Thanks for the videos I'll have a look the guide and my friend showed me how to do it but doing it is a whole nother planet. Its as unnatural as can be and I havent quite figured out how to work my left hand to get the second haul. The first haul thing changed my ability to cast when Jim Richmond taught that to me but doing the second one is rather daunting. My friend loves to fly all over the world and catch fish you have to put on the reel so hes really good at it he showed me how to do it and it seems like a bad way to lose a fish if youre attention slips any time. I dont feel the need to do it so I'll stick with stripping line in and playing a fish that way its not hard to feel when to give a litte out. That said stripers on the fly is an absolute blast and now I'm hooked and will be going to try and figure out where to catch them in the Mobjack on a more regular basis as I've now got an itch I need to scratch. Drum would be fun on the fly but I've gotta get way better at casting first. Are croaker hard to get to eat a fly? And to answer Fishs' question we were fishing all over around Gwynns Island I'm not used to that area anymore but we fished the entire southside of the island and the marsh around it.

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Croaker very readily take flies and are basically 8-12 inch long redfish.

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Clouser or crab immitators im assuming? Could I make it work with float line as well? Id be interested in going for them with a 4-5 weight to kill time when I'm down at the mobjack. Been practicing my handwork on the double haul and its gonna be fun trying to make it work this weekend.

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Size 2 Clouser in any color, but I'd suggest fishing colors that stripers will also eat as well in the event they are in the area. That means Chart/White or Olive/White but the only color you should be fishing in the Bay is Chicken on a Chain.

A floating line will work, specifically in my croaker spot, but that's because it's only 4 feet deep. If you don't want to spend the $75 on a sinking line, you may as well buy a sink tip that you can then add to your floating line. Might cost you $15. and it will allow you to fish deeper when you want to.

I only seem to catch croaker in June and July. IFish knows more locations for them than I do. I catch a shitload of them all around Parrot Island in the summer and my clients love catching them on 6 weights.

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You bet they will, and you bet they are. The world record was caught near New Point at the mouth of the Mobjack and was a little less than 9 lbs. I can't imagine catching a croaker that big, but I have seen the picture and met the man who caught it. Every year, the first croaker I catch fools me into thinking I've got a much bigger fish. They fight like mad.
Main thing about getting them on the fly is the depth of the water. You pretty much need to get on or near the bottom where they feed. The East River and most docks have plenty of croaker all summer. Every few years, really big ones show up and you're getting 3 lb croaker regularly. That's a fly fisherman's dream.

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The East River and most docks have plenty of croaker all summer. Every few years, really big ones show up and you're getting 3 lb croaker regularly. That's a fly fisherman's dream.

Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy??? I would actively target 3 pound croaker.

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Yep, really. Hasn't happened since I moved here, but my local buddies swear it'll happen again. I'm waiting, too. "Bucket benders" is what one guy called them. I do recall hearing about such years when I didn't live on the salt, and I have caught several that size in my life, but never had them be reliably that big, and haven't seen anything that size since I moved in.

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We had a few summers in a row with pigs in the river everywhere, it has been a few years since we had the big ones all over but when the big ones show up it makes it more fun fishing off docks.

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I really wish I had manned up and signed up for the Avon Pier PBR Classic Red Drum tournament. I debated and decided not to pull the trigger when the weather looked a little suspect.

Well, it kicked off this morning, and nine fish have already been landed. My FOMO is at Defcon2.

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Hey Hokieflyguy, did you guys bag it today?

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Bag it?!?! Haha, please. This well-decorated sea captain knows that when the weather is shitty but warm, the fish will be there. They are already wet, after all.

My active duty Air Force officer client said weather be damned, he wanted to catch his first salty fish on fly. I agreed whole heartedly. Armed with a very capable and well outfitted vessel (you know who you are), we absolutely waxed 'em. The wind maybe hit 12 knots at most during one heavy band of rain, besides that, it was 8 knots or less the entire day to the east of Gwynns Isle. The Piankatank was flat.

We put in at Stampers Bay around 12:45 p.m. and the client proceeded to immediately catch his first striper on a fly within 10 minutes on an 8 weight, intermediate sinking line with my version of a Chicken on a Chain Clouser tied onto the tippet. There were lots of birds in Stampers, most resting on the water, some chasing bait. Two bigger walkaround boats trolled around stirring up the birds and not getting any bites... sigh. Fish swirled here and there but no more eats (I blame the trolling boats running right through the active birds) so I took him over to the oyster reef on the north side of the Piankatank hoping for a trout. We worked the area for 30 minutes with a sweet trolling motor set up, but no dice.

I decided to head to the mouth with a few working birds in sight, but they were not keyed in on anything when we arrived. Stingray Point Light sounded like a good option, but after motoring into the chop for a few minutes, we decided to try and remain dry so we headed to Gwynns. We spent the next 20 minutes casting to the pilings in front of the Islander (looks like someone is making improvements?) without another bite. On a hunch I decided to try one other dock spot before returning to the birds at the Tank bridge and we shot over to the pilings at Cherry Point. First pass, one 13 inch striper. Second pass, an 11 inch fish. 3rd pass, a 14 incher, all on Chicken on a Chain Clouser. I set up the iPilot right off of the pilings and the client, who was a very capable trout fly fisherman yet couldn't double haul, was able to manage 30 foot casts in the breeze and landed 15 fish over the next hour. Numerous more came unhooked when he didn't properly strip set. He begged me to fish and when I finally did, first cast resulted in a 14 incher, second cast a 19 inch fish, biggest of the day. I hate when that happens. Suddenly a rain band came over us. Clearly we weren't paying attention to anything other than the stripers and the skies opened up. We reeled up and I hauled ass (safely, knowing this wasn't my boat) over to Narrows Marina where we slipped into the only open slip and hung out under cover and attempted to dry off for 20 minutes. Radar showed the rain would continue and the tide was falling fast so we said fuck it and headed back to Cherry Point. Caught several more stripers, all on Chicken on a Chain Clouser before the tide really slowed and the fish stopped eating.

Again we reeled in and headed back to the 'Tank bridge but the birds were gone and dusk was falling quickly. One last ditch effort to see birds, we headed two miles up river and saw only pretty houses, so back to the bridge we went. Dark at this point, 5:30 or so, but the rain quit and the wind was nil inside of the river. The client hammered numerous fish for the next hour and ten minutes on the two lights under the bridge. All came on the Chicken on a Chain Clouser. He asked me to fish again and I popped on a very small, size 6 Crease fly and twitched it through the light, getting a huge surface hit that turned out to be a 17 inch striper on my six weight with floating line. Again, asking the guide to fish doesn't work out in the client's favor. Finally, chilled to the bone after the water seeped into our clothes from the previous rain deluge earlier, we decided to leave the fish be (they were still eating), called it quits and slowly motored back to the takeout in the pitch black, utilizing my spotlight and Navionics app. Takeout at 7 p.m.

Overall, I don't know exactly how many we caught. I'd guess it was 40-45. I landed 7 in maybe a dozen casts total. The client lost numerous fish due to trout set, but he's an Idaho native and used to dry fly fishing for trout. If I had been out by myself with this certified vessel, I probably could have landed 75 during the same time frame with my trusty seven weight and a fistfull of Chicken on a Chain Clousers.

Brendan, the client, is off to Afghanistan tomorrow for the next few months to continue fighting for our military. I thanked him for his service and wish him all the best. It was a pleasure sending him off on a happy note.

Some points to take away from this trip....

1. The boat was very nice, worked great and was not harmed in said fishing excursion.

2. You don't know if you don't go.

3. CHICKEN ON A CHAIN!

Client's Instagram link for photos:

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Y'all is better mans than me to have fished all day and into the night in yesterday's slop. We had just shy of an inch of rain. I had envisioned you out there in kayaks, but it sounds like you have a special friend with a real boat. Trolling motor is so nice when doing what you were doing. Cherry Point almost always holds fish, folks around here almost always run right through actively schooling and feeding fish, and the Gwynn's Island bridge almost always holds stripers and trout if they're around, but fishing the lights around any of the bridges is almost a gimme this time of year.
The Islander is, indeed, being fixed up, has been now for over a year. There was and still is, a gov'mint issue about rebuilding in a flood plain that the owners are trying to finesse around with a claim of historical structure they claim is exempt from normal FEMA regs. What they're trying to do is to rebuild the restaurant, which most folks would love. Trouble is, from the start they ignored building permits and regulations which set them back when they got caught. Those pilings out front and along the marina hold some fish, sometimes, but not reliable for much more than smaller stuff and puffers (for me, anyway).
Really glad you guys had a good day, you deserve it for that kind of dedication, my Hokie hat's off to ya.

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For what it is worth, as of this afternoon, a fellow Hokie was in the lead at the PBR Avon Drum Fishing Tournament. He had caught six drum over 40 inches since Friday morning.

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Okay well now that the weathers cooled my gear is mostly up now aside from my crappie fishing gear. That said I now have a week on Keywaden Island to look forward to in may and have got to start loading up my arsenal to go after stuff I never fish for. Just got gifted a nice 10 weight fly rod I'll be throwing floating line on. I have my 7 weight with floating line. 2 4-5 weights one with sinking one with floating line so I feel I'm well covered for fly rods for whatever is there. I have a large assortment of casting rods for spin tackle fishing so thtas not an issue either. Challenge is I dont have much in regards for lure fishing in saltwater or fly fishing in saltwater. Was going to stock up on clousers in most sizes and colors but what other ones are good for that area?

All my spin tackle is for bait fishing as its all I traditionally do will that stuff work in florida or would it be best to focus on using lures or other jigs to target the fish in the gulf? We will have access to a skiff for the week so getting off the beach is a possibility. Any advice welcome I've only fished florida once and only did some chumming for redtails.

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For inshore, I'd show up with my favorite 1/4 oz jig heads and buy whatever color gulp and paddle tails the locals are using when i get there. If you are driving, there is a Bass Pro Shops by I-75 in Ft Myers. I'd also check the local fishing report and see if there is a particular Mirrolure pattern that's popular for chunking in the surf or passes. [I hate them, but most people do not]

Thanks for the info we are driving but ill be having to pull an all nighter drive to get there saturday morning since we have a wedding on the OBX the day before to attend. I'll stock up on jig heads and grubs to go on it I have a few mirrorlure but im not a fan of anything with lots of treble hooks. Figure on getting some gulp since once were out there theres no coming back to get more tackle.

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I'm emailing a couple folks I know that either are, or have spent time down there, to see if there is a color pattern most folks use. may or may not learn anything...will post if I do.

I agree with dave. Jig heads should be 1/4 and 1/2, red, pink and chartreuse will cover it. Gulp is great stuff. You know about the 4" swimming mullets, again, I've done well with chartreuse, pink and white. For bodies, I have had good luck recently with the jerk shads, 4-6" depending on quarry. The colors are myriad, but my go-tos have chartreuse and white in them with flakes, and also the Electric Chicken color is good. Obviously, as dave has suggested, local preferences may vary. Also, thanks to 3rdGen, I've become more familiar with the gulp shrimp. The three inch is good for smaller fish and easier hookups, the 4" is bulkier, but very effective. I've only used white and white with chartreuse tail. There are lots of great colors I haven't explored. Again, local knowledge would help.
I have used mirrolures to basically substandard results, but also have watched experienced fishermen wax the trouts with them. Even heard about guys around here trolling Mirrolures under a popping cork for trout (really?). I believe, however, that gulp on a jig head properly presented will catch the same fish. It's all about the retrieve, and I also agree that treble hooks are a pain in the mouth and I avoid them if feasible. Good luck, have fun, and as always, give us a report when you get back.

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Trolling mirrorlures on popping corks would be quite the sight.

If I'm deciding blind...I'd have paddle tails in (1) some kind of bunker or pinfish color... a light gold/copper; (2) a silver flake with a chartreuse tail; and (3) natural mullet (white belly/greenish gray back). In gulp, I'd take (1) a white curly tail; (2) a natural shrimp; and (3) a light colored jerk bait I could rig weedless. If only one gulp, I'd take the shrimp.

I'd also take a sliding rattle cork to be able to suspend or drift a jig if necessary.

Those 6 jig-based options will cover any water clarity condition and a variety of depths. And they are all usable from Virginia to Texas.

I'd buy a couple gold weedless spoons. Leave them in their packaging and return them to Walmart when you don't use them.

And since at the north end of the island is a pass...as much as i detest them, i'd take a suspending hard bait (with rattles inside) that I could cast a friggin' mile and twitch back with the current.

I'd have either a cast net or some small hooks I could use to catch pinfish with bits of gulp. There are worse things to do than to free line a pinfish or mullet on a circle hook...and down there you might hit something that will spool you.

and in that event...some extra line and leader

Also, how did the Sea Dek work out for you? I'm pondering it for my 12' Frontier (my TM setup works nicely!).

It worked great made the bottom of the boat much more comfortable to walk around in especially since I like to fish barefoot I now have a nice bit of traction to make standing less stressful of slipping per say. Only complaint is it holds stains very easily so if you get a bloody fish wash it off quick otherwise youll have a orangeish redish stain there for an eternity. I also picked darker colors to help keep the glare down so it doesnt strain my eyes to look down like when it was bare plastic. Installing the pattern on NuCanoes is fun but tedious with the shark fin shapes but it looks great.

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that does look great!

my yaks live outside and I clean the leaf stains off with a combo of soft scrub oxi, soft scrub w/ bleach, and hull cleaner with muriatic acid in it. no idea what that would do to Sea Dek but roto-molded plastic cleans up like new, lol.

I have a garden sprayer that I keep filled with about 1/3-1/2 bleach and water. Usually, in the sunlight we have here, the leaf stains just bleach out naturally, but the bleach and water takes care of most stains without scrubbing. The Works toilet cleaner works really well in a sprayer for scumlines and rust stains on gelcoat, but as I'm sure you are aware, neither of them is exactly eco friendly. Consequently, I seldom wash my boat. When I was guiding, I washed that daggone raft before or after every trip, and I swore I'd never again be so anal about my boat or my truck. Of course, I'm also one of the lazier folks you'll meet, so there's that...

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I have a garage suspension system to stor my kayak in my garage up high so the only stains I worry about are the fishes blood if I get a gill. Otherwise its a fantastic thing to add to a kayak for grip alone. Now to win the lottery so I can get a Micro Anchor for the back end. . .
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i sent off for the sample kit

Okay, some actual, current intel from the Naples backwater area...

"[name] was just out in the backwaters...he hasn't been catching many trout, but when he does, it's with a root beer color. He's been having some really good luck catching snook with gold spoons."

How far south are you guys having to go to see any cobia right now? Sadly, they will be long gone. However, I may fishing for whiting in the Panhandle in a week. If it falls through, hopefully I can hook up on some of the schoolie rockfish action in the Bay after Thanksgiving.

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that's offshore territory...I'll ask around

edit: we just had our first cold front so that will shuffle things inshore quite a bit for sure. Reds have been in the surf as late as last week...very late for us. We had 74 degrees in the surf, pre-front.

okay, offshore...my local contact...who is really good... says, "Not really sure. Should be here off St Augustine on wrecks and structure during winter. We notice east west movements as well as north south."

edit: i'm hesitant to do any panhandle recon right now (my contacts are in tallahassee and panama city). everyone i know is either fixing their house or helping someone else fix theirs.

No worries. I can't imagine that it will be too difficult to find the whiting.

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suspect you are correct

as of last week, they are picking up some pompano in the surf here

where are you going to be? pensacola?

Heading out tomorrow morning in search of schoolies and boidies. 3rdGen is going to the game, but still able to come down to the Bay for an all out assault on the rockfish stupid enough to present themselves. Report will ensue in a day or so. I'll be tempura-ing striper today (and shrimp, asparagus and zucchini) so maybe that'll help in our pursuit.

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I know only a couple of you know who he is, but my friend Jim Richmond, who has been guiding Willis and Mihota on the New is sitting with the Willis' at today's Miami game, and has been in the frame on the TV. The always cool and impeccably groomed Richmond actually seemed to show a bit of emotion at the last score. Maybe the fisherman's luck will bleed over and we'll handle these 'Canes.

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I see ya Tom! Sure was hoping Willis would pull some miracles out of his arm today.

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You guys know we're halfway through November and you're all still posting in the October thread right?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just one more cast/post. I promise this is the last one. ;)

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This is a quality post.

I have spent all day riding a Rhino back and forth down my parents property line because my parents neighbors decided to post five tree stands facing onto our land (and at my parents house with no impediment in between), all 20 yards or less from the line. They are legal, but any shot that isn't straight down is onto our property. So I drove back and forth on the property boundary until they got the hint and left.

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French that gives you more stops than our secondary this season.

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I have some PA speakers you can set up 20 yards from the line on your side

Virginia has some strange laws protecting hunters and fishermen from harassment, so I'd be a bit careful about how you go about giving them the business. I suggest you involve the local game warden. Even if your warden can't solve the problem easily, they might have suggestions for you and at least will be informed of the problem if something untoward occurs. We had a problem in our neck of the woods in Giles with some locals who were shooting deer over the property line of my neighbors, then claiming the deer had been on their side then jumped the fence after being shot. The law finally put the quietus on it all with some basic forensics and seemed to solve the problem. The property was co-owned by Mike Williams, my favorite VT baseballer of all time, and he was a super nice guy, and a local himself, which in the end, I believe, made a difference, and while it was a hassle, they were protecting their management practices and were prepared to go to the mat if necessary. As I recall, the involvement of the law stopped the problem before it progressed to legal action. FWIW, just my .02 worth.
You just can't be there every day.

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I suggest you involve the local game warden. Even if your warden can't solve the problem easily, they might have suggestions for you and at least will be informed of the problem if something untoward occurs.

100% the correct answer. The Wardens can get involved even before laws are broken. They'll mitigate between parties before things get out of hand.

Wardens have been contacted. Their advice- as long as they do not shoot a deer on your property, they are legal. However, as long as I am riding my four wheeler on my property while blasting Peter Gabriel, so am I.

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This advice from your wardens is totally insufficient. How are you supposed to know if they shoot a deer on your property when you aren't around? Who's gonna be out there every day of hunting season to enforce your property rights? If the wardens don't respond properly, I would go over their heads. It is their job to keep disputes such as this from escalating into illegal or spiteful actions. If you see them hunting without proper colors, call the tip-line, your game warden, and then the local sheriff. If you become enough of a pain in the ass, the warden should at least drop by and speak with all concerned. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. I feel for you. Such stuff is infuriating, to say nothing of the danger you feel and I know this is how feuds start in them thar hills, but where I used to live, in the end, I could see some of my more hotheaded neighbors slipping to those stands one night with a chain saw. Of course, it's always the retaliators who end up paying the price, not to mention the danger of escalating things. Call the law every day, several times a day if necessary, don't be satisfied until they have at least talked with your neighbors, or walked in and checked them a couple of times until the neighbors get the idea that it just isn't worth it.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I agree...it was a joke...good communication with neighbors and involvement of the authorities when necessary is almost always best.

If I'm in that circumstance and could afford it, I'd probably own a few trail cams to monitor activity in and around any key locations near the border and I'd make sure my no trespassing signs are up to code.

Came here specifically to recommend the trail cam thing. Truly a drag to have to spend money to police the neighbors, but it is good advice. Also good advice on the signs and blazes necessary to have a solid case if things progress to that point. I ended up posting a sign beside my NO FISHING sign that said cameras were in use, and of all the stuff I did over the years to protect what were essentially my pets, that one seemed to be the best one. I had no cameras, but they didn't know that. 10 pound rainbows can be a powerful magnet to poachers, though, and it was a constant vigilance sorta deal.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

WHERE ARE YOUR TEN POUND RAINBOWS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

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"Trespassers Will". I owned about a quarter mile of a two mile long spring creek that popped out of the ground a few hundred yards up from my property. I had three deep holes in that run. There was a naturally reproducing population of rainbow trout. They were extraordinarily prolific, but very small before I started feeding them. When I left, I had two ten pounders. Could have been even bigger, to be honest, but I'm pretty sure ten is close. They had names and everything. I had maybe 25 or so fish five pounds or bigger, and an uncounted number of smaller fish. I went through a lot of fish chow and several years to get them up to that size. In the size creek I had, they were preposterous, and the hole under the bridge was where the biggest hung out, hence the poaching problem. Anyway, I've been gone six years and only been back looking twice. Still some nice trout there, but those really big fish were gone and the size was down.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Check your email and keep it to yourself.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

It's so easy to lose track of time when you're on the water.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Incredible weekend tailgating with my best Hokie friends. Topped it off with some trout fishing yesterday on Big Stony. Swung streamers in the high, but clear water but didn't move any brownies. We did see a fish over 20 inches but it wouldn't play.

Today I fished a stream in Grayson County recommended to me by a friend. Told it has some browns and to fish the high water, but the high water was gin clear there as well. The water needs to be dirty for swinging streamers for browns. I did get a few rainbows on nymphs, including one gorgeous 10" fish that had to be "wild born," or at least in the stream for quite some time.

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I'm heading to South Nags Head for Thanksgiving. I will definitely be getting into some surf fishing but wanted to get any opinions on going to an ocean pier or possibly Pirate's Cove to fish the finger piers. I'm open to any suggestions! Thanks

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I am not sure if the piers are still open, but you will want to fish close to the beach with trout jigs and 4 inch gulp mullets.

If you want more variety, make the drive down to Hatteras. Trout, puppy drum, sea mullet, and some big drum at the Point including a big run of 30-40 inch drum at the Point last night.

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Buddy and I fished for 3 and a half hours today and caught fish almost continuously. Amongst the undersized fish I had five small slot reds and a couple nice trout...a 17.5 and a 19. He had a slot trout, a slot red, and had another slot red throw the hook at the boat. Between us we probably boated 40-50 fish.