Trevon Hill dismissed from the football team

So yeah. This is happening. Discuss.

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...for his twitter???

Elaborate please?

Danny Coale caught that ball!

That's probably not why he was dismissed, but his twitter profile looks like this right now:

I assumed those pictures were just for motivation

sure but it's definitely not a good look especially to potential recruits and Hill was on thin ice from the offseason anyway.

I'm pretty sure it has something I'm connection with the offseason stuff. Likely on his last strike and said something in the locker room to be disrespectful?

Danny Coale caught that ball!

I mean, sure, but that can't possibly get yourself kicked from a football team can it??

I figured it was motivation but my friend thinks he is taking a shot at Foster & co. (i.e. after learning he is getting dismissed). Who knows

Wouldn't be kind of a self own to parade this around when you were just a part of that performance?

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Yeah I didn't say I agreed with my friend, but it's possible. The tweet he's using as a profile picture says Foster's name, not HIll's

In the context of his other tweets, one of which is about taking responsibility for the loss and not pointing fingers at individuals, I am almost certain it was some kind motivation.

This is definitely a shot at Foster post news.

Why go low like that?

Um, what happened?

This is just brutal.

What the hell is going on with this football program?

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Bad culture

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It may appear that way but the counter point is that the culture is being corrected. There were reports of players cutting it close with the coaching staff and Hill may have been one of them. We don't know what Hill did after the game so it's hard to say.

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The counter-counter point would be that Fuente has had three years to establish culture and this is where we find ourselves. Answers are hard to come by right now.

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I don't think I'd judge that on one game.

That was a soul-wrenching loss, and if I had to take a blind guess, I'd guess they just overlooked ODU. I have no idea what was happening on defense, though.

I wouldn't either, I was just playing devil's advocate.

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I don't think new coaches can establish culture starting in year 1 or 2 because they have so many players from the previous staff that you would end up having to dismiss far too many players to put a viable team on the field. In years 3+ you can tolerate bad behavior less and probably should.

Welp... this has quickly gone from bad to WTF status. We still don't even know how Jackson is

We will be lucky to win 6 games this year. The last 24 hours sure have been great.

VT 12'... Exit light, Enter night.

Lmao chill homie

We gave up 49 points, ~600 yards and lost. Then lost the teams leading tackler for loss and sacks... what's "chill" about that?...

VT 12'... Exit light, Enter night.

You just be too young to remember when we lost to a shitty JMU team and then became the only to team to ever go undefeated in ACC play

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Yeah, but that team had a completely different feel to it. Didn't we lose a close one to a top 5 Boise St team to start the year and then had a short turn around before losing to JMU? We obviously had the talent and should've won that second game, but hangover losses happen.

This team honestly just quit on ODU. I think the Duke game will define the season for us. If we come out hungry and swinging for the fences, then we still have something to look forward to this season. If we come out looking lost, like FSU did after losing to us, then it'll pretty much be over.

Yeah we had a short turnaround to Will and Mary this year. There was 0 excuse to lose to that jmu team or be down 24-7 to ecu the following week

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Haha, I was there in the rain as a student. I remember it well. Our O-Line got dominated in pass protection. Our Defense got dominated. Yesterday's loss sucked but the way we lost is what concerns me about the rest of the season.

VT 12'... Exit light, Enter night.

That team had a Tyrod and a Ryan Williams. That team was so close to beating a top 5 opponent the week prior.

This team blew out a bad FCS team and beat up a tire fire of a FSU team.

Losing to a bad team is where the similarities end.

damn

Hill was just tweeting about not letting this happen again and to get ready for Duke.... So.... What the hell

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Is this bad? This seems bad.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

This must have just happened because less than an hour ago he was tweeting about beating Duke and how this happened was a wake up.

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What on earth

I am extremely confused, and I am not happy. Trevon Hill is one of our best defensive players and was giving it his all yesterday.

Agreed, let's throw arguably our best defensive player off the team? Wtf. Some players lost their cool yesterday no doubt, but the coaches absolutely failed us. Smacks of desperation a little bit. Unbelievable all around.

We have literally no idea what made the coaching staff make this move.

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IF it's for a real reason it doesn't matter if he is best player or worst. IF the action taken would have gotten a different player kicked off the team then it should get him kicked off.

Saying that since no one yet has a clue what happened who can say. But him being the best defender right now has zero relevance.

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Agreed, but what realistically could have occurred in 18 hrs? A scuffle in the locker room, for instance, could be expected after such a collapse. It just seems very reactionary. But agreed we dont have much context yet. But I highly suspect we will get zero explanation.

The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back could have occurred. If I remember correctly, LA was dropping some hints that he didn't expect Hill to be with the team for FSU

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Hills ability likely has nothing to do with his dismissal. Fuente wants to win, but I respect him letting a guy go who is causing trouble.

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Dafuq?

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Someone mentioned that he got into a scuffle with Kearney on the sidelines. Wonder if this coupled with something he may have said on social media? Just guessing here but seemed like he was in the doghouse this summer after blasting Bitter over the Mook situation.

This sucks big time but it's time to see the next man up at DE.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Hearing Hill was involved in a locker room fight after the game with Gaines and Kearney.

I sure as hell hope we aren't kicking out a guy who was so personally insulted by the loss he got in the face of players he thought weren't giving their all. A fight is never ever a good thing but I don't blame tempers for running high after that one.

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I guess it depends on how physical it got. You can't just excuse violence with a "he is passionate." That is a slippery slope my friend.

Agreed there.

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I don't. I think sometimes you just gotta let a couple of dudes fight it out.

I'm not saying I think Trevon should/shouldn't be on the team because I don't know jack-diddley fuck, but fights happen, and that was probably one miserable locker room to be in yesterday. There's fights every year in NFL training camps and locker rooms, nobody gets kicked off the team.

Anyway, Alum07, I agree with the first point you made. Getting into with a teammate after yesterday shouldn't be dismiss-able. Let's hope that's not it.

Leonard. Duh.

I see what you did there, but that's not what I'm about. I'm gonna talk it out/let it go 99 times out of hundred. I suck at fighting.

My point is, these guys are in a pressure cooker even in the best of times, and if Trevon and another teammate had a bad moment in bad situation, just let it go. These guys take that "we're brothers" shit seriously. They'll come together eventually.

Leonard. Duh.

"you just gotta let a couple of dudes fight it out" is a sorry excuse for anything. It's the same as saying "boys will be boys". Fuck that, we're supposed to progress as a society, not make excuses to keep us held back. Throwing punches is nothing more than trying to assert dominance because you've been beaten first in other ways and you can't handle it. People like that need to grow up and is a perfectly valid reason to be kicked off the team.

Hypothetical situation...
Football player A who doesn't have a history of bad behavior plays his heart out in a loss to ODU. He feels Football player B did not give good effort, and Football Player B says something that causes Football Player A to lose his shit, and they get into a scuffle in the locker room. You think that Football Player A should be dismissed forever, possibly changing his life? No suspension, or alternative punishment, just gone forever?

You'd lose your whole locker room to civil war if you made that hasty of a decision.

Leonard. Duh.

That is my big concern. Did Hill overreact and the coaches overreact as well.

Hill has been causing problems for 3+ years this is not a one-and-done incident.

Yeah, if your hypothetical situation is what actually occurred, I could see the locker room getting upset, but I'd bet a dollar to a toothpick that it was far more serious than that.

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Yea when school administration gets involved it's not a simple issue.

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Whoa. The University got involved? How? Is he out of school as well?

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Haven't seen anything on this. Please elaborate.

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The statement from Fuente says he consulted with school administrators prior to dismissing him.

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hard to interpret that though. Could be he was just consulting them on him remaining a student after being dismissed from the team, implications of scholarship, etc.

Whit Babcock is an administrator, FYI.

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Same here Fish. I was just posting the hypothetical in response to the point that punches thrown should be grounds for immediate dismissal from a football team. I think that would be a bad move. I really think this stems from something much more than a locker room fight with a teammate. It has to.

Leonard. Duh.

I feel confident that Fuente knows more about coaching, AND more about that situation than anyone on this board.

If someone had ask Mrs. Cleo ahead of time, we could have been prepared for this situation (or possibly avoided it).

She still may be able to lets us know what happened if the staff remains tight lipped.

Call her now... You'll have to use the Ouiji board though she died 2 years ago...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I'd be fired if I hit a coworker because he said something that made me feel things I could only express through my fist.

Yeah your job is probably not based on controlled violence between opposing people.

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Running at each other with specific rules in place on how you can touch the opposing player is not violence. If people can't separate being shoved around to get a ball and wanting to actually hurt someone because their feelings got hurt they have no business playing. Anger management would be a better use of their time.

100% agree with the emotions running high after the game - this game really did mean a lot to the team. I hope there was player input on this as well, and not squarely on the staff.

Really? They get player input regarding dismissal of a player? Crazy to me there. Rules are there. They were broken. Multiple times. Head man makes the call.

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Right, but as a coach, wouldn't you want to at least bring in the people involved to get sides to the story? If the parties involved provided enough convincing evidence that water was under the bridge and it was emotions getting the best of them, would a suspension have been a better path?

That being said, I trust our staff, and trust that they handled this in the best way possible. At the end of the day, I am not in their shoes, and I have no right to place woulda, shoulda, coulda on the situation other than stating my opinion.

Many want to interpret the events when they weren't there. If hill was abruptly dismissed like this, he likely earned it. Regardless of his ability. From my distant view, the feel is a bit toxic.

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Your level-headed reasoning has no place in this discussion... /S

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No offense but I wanted to fight Gaines after the game..... that personal conduct penalty sealed the deal.....not literally but man that was the last time that we had any momentum......

No need to fight him, and as I understand it, there was someone on the other team who initiated that event.

But that might have cost VT the game, and he needs to understand that it can't happen again. No matter what.

You win the game playing football, not getting into extracurricular altercations.

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Is that what momma said?

Let's Go

HOKIES

If not, she should have.

wot in tarnation?

Not good Bob dot gif

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I can only imagine he got into a fight or something, but i can't imagine it would be for something he did on the field right? Has that ever even happened before? He was getting real heated last night though in the game.

Someone named Marcus Vick got kicked off for something they did on field.

someone named Marcus Vick was a shit-tastic person for a long time prior to something they did on the field to be kicked off the team for.

agreed, he had pending legal troubles, along with issues on campus, so there was a compounding of instances. not sure which is the one that ultimately got him dismissed -and Beamer tended to give long leashes at times (some of this here rumored was hoping to help MV7's brother get his shit together, and as a favor... and Marcus had a LOOONNNG leash)...

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Okay, i was a little suspicious after the game last night but now I'm almost certain of it. Virginia tech is just pulling some giant prank & we're all having the same dream.. right? RIGHT?! This can't be real *nervous laughter*

need more information...

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Welp...this season took a turn down-Hill quickly...

You son of a... ...take your leg.

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You pick this moment to pun us?

Son of a biscuit eater. Take your leg.

this gif bothers me cuz he never says that quote in that movie...

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You know, I was looking at that gif and thinking something felt really off about it.

Like, the Joker didn't even want to kill Batman. He even said so himself near the end that Batman was too much fun.

Yeah, he said "You complete me".

Since it is one of my favorite movies of all time:

"Kill you? I don't wanna kill you. What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off mob dealers? No. No. No! No you- you complete me."

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Someone needs to Zapruder the game film and such. Did Hill do something during the game To a fan or coach?

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This is pretty embarrassing honestly. Like, obviously we don't know what happened, but the timing just feels...a bit reactionary? Must have done something real bad for this to happen.

We get rid of all of our dog players and then stare blankly at the field and wonder why our team is getting blasted

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You can have all the dogs in the world and still get blasted.

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Yes but having some dogs helps set the tone for an otherwise flat and uninspired team/coach

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You have no idea how true this is.

So live look from the locker room...

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Well that escalated quickly

Damn it's only barely noon. What else can we do before the weekend is over?

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Don't ask that! Why would you ask that?? Lol

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It's possible we won't ever know the details or we will hear Hill's side and the program will be purposefully generic and coy. This makes the situation incredibly frustrating for the fan base and muddies the water even further. Awful loss but I am really surprised this is how the team is reacting. I hope I am wrong.

I feel like this one is gonna need a specific explanation.

Who'd have thought this would be the second worst thing to happen this weekend.

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Or the 3rd, depending on Jackson's status

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I'm sure this is going to be the main line of questioning from the media next time the coaches are available and I have no doubt that Fuente will leave is all in the dark about the details of the circumstances leading to this decision.

I have a hard time believing that CJF is the type of person to remove a player from the team with no suspension/warning without an excellent reason. I also have no doubt that whatever Trevon did, it was out of character of who he is as a person.

I'm also hoping that it turns out some d-bag was able to hack VTFootball's account and did this as a "prank".

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Who's to say there's no one in the locker room who supports this? I don't want to get into specifics on this because I know nothing about what happened, but trying to paint this as a complete blunder by the coaching staff isn't fair because we don't know what led to this conclusion.

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Have you seen any support for this like we did when we released Cam Goode?

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I don't know, it only just happened. Have you seen anything to the contrary?

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I've seen players tweeting in support of hill

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From which players.

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surprisingly it was from the ones "rumored" that he was in a fight with. I saw both house and kerns tweet support for travon.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Surprisingly? Have you played football? Some of the worst fights I've been in were with team members, but in the end we were closer.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
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I guess I was more surprised that they were the ONLY ones I saw tweeting love for hill. I know how locker rooms work. I know house and hill were already close, really close. when the report was first rumored I was surprised that it was house that was involved with hill in the first place.

i don't want to speculate but if the only guys defending you are the ones that you supposedly got in a fight with what does that say about the rest of the locker room and guys not supporting him?

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I'm wondering that as well. Either way, the team needs to come together.

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Kids dont like seeing other kids being blindsided. Trevon was tweeting just this morning getting ready for Duke. If the results dont show, players are going to start questioning Fuente's decisions

We don't know if he was blindsided though, especially if it was a open secret that Hill spent the off-season on thin ice.

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Really really really not good, hopefully Houshon isn't trying to take sides

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I mean one of his good friends just got kicked off the team and lost his scholarship, changing his life forever. Only human to show support

I'm not gonna get dogmatically religious here, but often one can hear someone say "pray for him/her/them" when they're in a bad situation, many times of their own doing.

The only way we'd know what House meant here for certain would be to ask him ourselves.

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We don't love dem Hoos.

Guy's friend sticking up for him =/= no one in the locker room supporting this. I'm not surprised to see House backing Hill on this at all. They're close.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I think this is a good sign. Seems to say Gaines (and hopefully the rest of the locker room) understands why Hill was removed but still wishes the best for him since they're friends and all.

That's how I interpret it as well

That seems like a pretty big assumption.

A different way to lose a locker room is to overlook unacceptable behavior.

Maybe we should wait until we know what happened before we cast judgment.

Fuente has always impressed me as a coach who has a reason for the decisions he makes.

Actually, how to regain control of your locker room.

Mmmmmmm......pie.

Anyone that thinks Fuente just got pissed and dumped Hill hasn't been paying attention to Fuente. He's calculated.

Anyone that watched that game and thinks the coaches are the problem and not the players clearly wasn't watching that game.

I certainly hope you're right, but to your second point, there's plenty of blame to go around between coaches and players for yesterday.

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I'd say someone overlooked the possibility that ODU might win that game.

Can't say yet whether it was the coaches or players, as I watched the game on Gamecast, damn it, but I will be checking the replay.

VT was a 28 point favorite with a 2% chance of losing. Anyone can and should be forgiven for overlooking the possibility of losing.

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bingo on both counts

In a game where almost every player plays horribly, that's on the coaches. Fuente said after the game that the guys didn't seem to be taking it as seriously in practice as they were before playing FSU. That's on Fuente himself for not getting the team ready

still sounds like Jimmies and Joes. I'm willing to believe Fuente was pushing them to be ready as much as he does every week, and they just weren't taking it seriously. Believing their own hype maybe. Ultimately what is Fuente going to do to force them to change their attitude. Run them into oblivion? yell at them? The players didn't take it seriously and got shown the door. Wake up calls are brutal.

Yes actually thats exactly what I expect from a coach. Saban would lose his shit if he felt his team wasn't ready regardless of who they play

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I agree with you, but do we know that Fuente didn't lose his shit? He could have gone Chernobyl, still not gonna make players who are on cruise control take things seriously if they don't want to.

We don't, for sure, but we certainly could have used more during the game. He looked sedating when we needed inspiring

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has Fuente ever lost his shit? doesnt seem to be his nature....which is an issue....youve seen him on the sideline in every game looking the same

The unsportsmanlike penalty he drew during the ND game two years ago was when he completely lost it. And honestly I loved it. We were playing like crap and it was a decisive turning point in our performance during the game. I think it fired everyone up.

Yeah he lost it but I think he let himself lose it that time. He knew it was the right time and he thought it would get the team fired up and it worked.

Yea that's the only time I've ever seen it too. I was there so idk how much was on TV but he laid into them for a long time. Wish we saw that every Saturday

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Two different situations.
When my coach/leader/manager loses their shit fighting for me, I'm motivated. I'm thinking 'this guy/gal will go to bat for me any day.'
When my coach/leader/manager loses their shit at me, I think less of the person. At best, it will give me the motivation to remedy the situation, until I can remove myself from the situation. At worst, I'll think this person is completely irrational, and will remove myself from the situation immediately.

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2016 Notre Dame game comes to mind

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He's mostly even keeled, but I've seen him full out screaming at the officials several times. I've also seen him chew out players several times. TV doesn't pick up a lot of what happens on the sideline.

We don't know that because Saban's yet to have his team come out unprepared or uninspired. That's why he's still the best in the business.

As an did lose to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Bama

I think it was last year or the year before they struggled early against Chattanooga and he looked fuggin mad

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Welcome to the party voice of reason.

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How many detrimental events is this team away from the dreaded "players only meeting?" Who would even call it?

Poisonous thoughts aside, during this week the ideals of Fuenteball will reveal who this team really is. 1-0. Beat Dook!

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If a player were to call for players only meeting my first guess would be Ricky Walker

Wasn't there a players only meeting after the JMU loss? Players only meetings happen in many situations that don't end up being "dreaded". Things aren't good right now, but someone establishing themselves as a leader on the team and getting the guys focused wouldn't be a bad thing

It's like the off season issues have continued into the regular season

I read he apparently he got into a fight with other players after the game...

Just fuck 2018 lol...

So do we reset the phases of grief back to anger or skip ahead to depression?

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Probably another round of anger, and THEN a double shot of depression.

Ha! This weekend won't end. Im going to take a walk, or cry. Possibly both.

"won't end", "take a walk"...defensive end, and Ricky Walker...looking for a hidden message in your post like a conspiracy theorist would.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

I wish I had one. Just got some air and checked out some places in considering putting a deer stand.

A defensive switch to 3-3-5 with Walker moving to DE is confirmed!

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We don't love dem Hoos.

I expected a step back this season. Then raised my expectations after FSU. And now I feel this season and maybe beyond is turning into a major FUBAR!

All I know from watching in the stands is that there was a lot of animosity between our own players this game. As well as just straight apathy. I think I only show like....6 players come up to JJ as he was getting carted off.

There certainly doesn't seem to by much unity among this squad at the moment.

The things you see when you come up for air on your film review...

For what it is worth, in terms of what happened on the field, Hill and Peoples had good games. I would be very hard pressed to identify someone else who did, and that includes the coaching staff. Instead of watching straight through, I picked plays at random. I would be hard pressed where I didn't find at least one thing, if not more than one thing, that was an absolute mess on every play even when the outcome was positive.

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And just so I am clear, I am not knocking Fuente suspending Hill. I don't know what happened, so I can't make a judgement there and when the mandate is to win, throwing your most productive pass rusher off the team isn't an easy choice.

It was merely a note that Hill (and Peoples) were two of the individuals who I thought delivered yesterday. Nobody else, including the staff, had a good day.

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Doing a film review of VT @ ODU.

It's not a suspension...it's a dismissal

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I admire your dedication. I'd be hard pressed to watch a film review of that dumpster fire of an effort. I'd be (am currently) more inclined to drink myself and sorrows of a ledge.

Can't imagine watching that game again. Only thing I have to be thankful for....my wife and I came very close to buying tickets for this game and driving 5 hours to attend. Whew!! Escaped spending $1000+ to see a game that would have chewed my heart out to watch in person.

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Yep.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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I had that same view outside my office window last Monday in downtown RVA. Was not a pleasant one.

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At least he's already home and won't have to drive back to the 757.

Rip his freaking head off!

Hill showed that he wanted to win. He had some fire in him. That does bother me a bit because he might be only one of a few on this team that does. If he jumped on somebody's ass because of them slacking then I don't have a problem with it. But that said who knows what it is.

In defense of the coaching staff, something had to be done. Yesterday made Ronyell Whitaker look like Tim Tebow. But I didn't think it was necessarily Hill. The lack of discipline is the biggest issue with this program.

Don't lose track of reality here. Don't advocate for violence in any situation, especially under the guise of "he was passionate."

That mentality does not have a place in modern society.

If he's mad he should hit someone, who can blame him? PASSION!

BUT ALSO, why aren't they more disciplined?

From a friend of a friend who knows more:

"Hill got into it with a strength coach after the game and made some comments to him that are completely unacceptable. Combine that with already being on thin ice and this was the only move Fuente could make imo. Tough loss but next man up."

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Well...apparently Hill went after a coach in the locker room. Didn't come to blows but they had A LOT of words. The coach has a son with Down syndrome and I guess hill made fun of the kid or said some shit about him.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

If this is true, good riddance.

Definitely need a second independent source for this. If that's the cause, then yes he must be dismissed.

Danny Coale caught that ball!

If that's true I'm surprised that coach or Hilgart didn't put him in a pine box.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Because they probably didn't want to be looking for a job today. Although Hill had it coming if he made those comments.

Wow. Was just talking to a coworker on Friday about how making fun of mentally handicapped people pretty much puts you at the bottom of the "shitty person" continuum. If this is what happened, I hate to lose a productive player, but Fuente made the absolutely right call.

It's Time to go to Work

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"Getting into it with a strength coach" is about as bad an idea as getting into a land war in Asia.

Isn't Nick Acree a strength coach?

Rip his freaking head off!

was. not any more. professional bodybuilder now if I am not mistaken

Not anymore he is a chaplain for for Liberty.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Way to go, big fella. Nice and easy does the trick.

I'm proud of you.

Leonard. Duh.

Hill is a big dude, but who would get into it with Hilgart? The guy is a monster.

Same source stated that

...if Fuente hadn't kicked Hill off the team the university would have.

Not sure how solid that is in being the university kicking him off but maybe.

Also stated that Hill got in a fight with Gaines pre-game

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I don't like this and I especially don't like how Fuente seems to handle discipline issues. If this was over a locker room fight then a dismissal certainly is valid, but it's not the only option. Why can't Fuente suspend him for three games and set up anger management classes at Cook? Give your player the opportunity to both redeem himself and improve himself, and leave yourself the option of still dismissing Hill if he blows off that opportunity. This zero-tolerance unconditional policy seems to hurt everyone involved and makes our staff come across as very cold.

Hill missed some of the FSU game because of "issues" I pretty sure he was on thin ice before this.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Yeah I've definitely heard that too, but going from "not being named starter" to kicked off the team is a really extreme jump. If he really got into trouble over the summer, why not suspend him? I feel like Fuente is sticking to his own principles more than actually using judgment and that there are plenty of disciplinary actions that can be used before kicking players off the team that I just haven't seen Fuente use.

Depends on what was done/said. Others are saying he was already on thin ice, which means he already had his warning.

My guess is that the next guy will think twice. And if they don't, they'll be gone.

Let's see how they play next week. I'm guessing we'll see a difference.

I just personally don't buy into this logic that Fuente clearly uses. These are college kids, they are amateur athletes. I get that Fuente wants to run a tight ship but I want to see players get the opportunity to improve themselves as people too. Sure, maybe Marcus Vick shouldn't have gotten eight chances to redeem himself, but I think there should be some middle ground before these guys are kicked off the team.

well, at this point he is not kicked out of school, so he still has every chance to get his act together and ask for a second chance, or third, or whatever he is on. doubt he stays but it could be done.

I don't think this was the first chance for Hill.

All indications are that Fuente does not employ a zero-tolerance policy. If reports above are true, Fuente make a wise and just decision. The desire to win can cloud anyone's judgement.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

You're right that it's not zero-tolerance, especially looking at past cases like Adonis and JJ. It's not even about winning games, I have faith that Proctor and Garbutt will be able to perform in Hill's place. I just felt like this was really sudden, going off of Twitter it seems apparent that Hill was not expecting this whatsoever. I'm more worried about how this will impact recruiting and the perception of how the coaching staff more than it will impact the rest of the season.

I hope it has the effect of weeding out players that can't buy in to the system. Start with integrity. The wins will come. And if they don't you've still got integrity

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Just because it wasn't public does not mean that this was a rapid progression of consequences.

Just because Hill appears to have been unaware that the situation had escalated to his dismissal does not mean that he shouldn't have understood the severity of his actions had gotten to where they ended up.

EDIT: removed as it was mistake on my part coming from a public post on FB via pay site.

So...now I'm just wondering who is number 4

If I had to guess, probably House.

That is from behind another sites paywall. This is a violation of the community guidelines. Come on folks.

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Who's the 4th?

Thank you

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And so it begins, the end of hokie football

Wut

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

Melodramatic much?

Psssst. You forgot the /s.

Let's Go

HOKIES

I'm sure the beat writers will get to the bottom of this and have an answer by 2044.

And then Hill will fight Bitter on Twitter again

You spelled NCAA wrong.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Jesus Christ. I never thought I would say this, but I'm on the verge of mentally checking out for the rest of the season. I can only take but so much heartburn in one year. When does basketball season start again?

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

True, but I was thinking yesterday that one of the problems is that this team is pretty unlikeable. No matter how much I liked JJs story, whatever happened this summer wasn't a good look. And we've all heard the stories about Willis, telling people how rich your Dad is and hitting punters over the head with beer bottles is about as unlikeable as a Hokie can get.

But it was the on-field knucklehead stuff that I didn't like either. Hill was a part of that. We also have career special teamers always yapping.

So maybe this is a move in the right direction? But I'm tired of this type of lack of institutional control.

And we've all heard the stories about Willis, telling people how rich your Dad is and hitting punters over the head with beer bottles is about as unlikeable as a Hokie can get.

uh what

Yeah, our new QB1 is a known douche.

Fun weekend.

/ssssmh

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

So now that the hype train has been derailed, would you say it's time to jump aboard the douche canoe? /s

Until yesterday penalties hadn't been an issue. Clearly had a hand in the loss.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Come on man, don't go full loluva on us just yet. Hang in there.

Yeah, we're not loluva or UNCheat.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole HILL...ducks!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Insert Tyjuan Garbutt....

I thought Hill was trying to motivate the rest of the team....sorry to see this happen.

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Honestly, I don't think Garbutt played a down yesterday. I saw Debose and Belmar get work, but not much.

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Debose got the first roughing the passer penalty. Wasn't dirty, just too aggressive near the sideline in re-watching the game.

BREAKING NEWS:

Talented Knucklehead With Long History of Knucklehead Behavior Dismissed From Team For Yet Another Knucklehead Incident Which Confirms Knucklehead Status

/s, but I've been holding my breath for two years waiting for something like this to happen. Trevon Hill is a talented kid with a ton of physical gifts and great football instincts. He is also an almost-constant source of consternation for this coaching staff with terrible instincts w regard to social media, being a reliable teammate, and respect for people in his own locker room. This is not a hot take. This is not a recent problem. He was a distraction under Frank - and his DL coach and DC, who have spanned the transition to CJF.

I have no inside scoop on what happened yesterday aside from what I'm reading from #saucy posts here and elsewhere. And if any of it is true - physical altercation with other players, blatant disrespect of coaches/staff (who, collectively, have given Hill umpteen chances to straighten up and fly right) - what is a head coach to do? How many chances do you give a kid who, despite the staff's best effort, just isn't getting it?

And just from a personal standpoint, if he made fun of a strength coach's child with Downs Syndrome, he would have been in a Lyft to his family home after the game, not on the bus back to Blacksburg.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

nice pasta

Edit: Got beat to the embed by 8 seconds.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I wouldn't want to be Duke next week. #hangryhokiescoming

Hokie fan | W&M grad

If our OL don't get off their double teams to the linebackers better than versus ODU, VT won't piss a drop in the run game versus Duke. Their linebackers are studs.

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Thinking about mainly about the defence, but also trying to inject some fight back into the mix. I don't care if they lose, but play HARD, play SMART, and fight like hell. Time to get back up and keep swinging.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

French, if it makes you feel any better, I totally caught onto this problem during the game. That would not have ever happened without your insights and hard work. Thank you.

I was quite proud of myself. Also horrified at the dumpster fire I was watching, but it was a small silver lining

It does. I appreciate that my catharsis helps others.

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A guy on TSL said last night that he was sitting behind the bench and that the scene was ugly. Again, last night, he said "and if you are looking for leadership, don't look to THill. I will leave it at that."

Today, after the suspension, the same guy came back to say that Hill got in the face to the point of trying to pick a fight with the young CBs during the game. He said Hill even tried to take his jersey off to quit.

- The dude was on thin ice (he missed the beginning of the FSU game and there rumors that he would be suspended to start the season).
- Fuente probably warned him of this
- He allegedly gets into a fight with teammates and gets into it with a strength coach? Dude has to go.

Fuente is cleaning this program and showing the younger guys how they need to conduct themselves. It will hurt for this year but it is a strong message to the young guys (young guys that Fuente recruited).

My sentiments above exactly. And much better said. Brevity is the soul of w(h)it.

Re the culture change you're positing: a lot of overly reactionary dummies across the interwebs are all "burn it down, Fu has to go, offing guys left and right" and the like. And if you take 5 minutes to look at each case on its own merits?

-Hill: multiple incidents over 2 staffs, culminating in whatever happened on the sideline and in the locker room yesterday

-Reynolds: multiple incidents, culminating in another bad choice that resulted in a felony weed arrest

-Alexander: multiple incidents over 2 staffs, culminating in becoming academically ineligible (no grey area here)

-Goode: arrived to fall camp ridiculously overweight, didn't take well to the whole "conditioning" thing, asked for and was granted a release

(Note: whatever JJ's academic issue was, it was officially cleared, so I don't really even count that, though I know some people do; I don't know the exact nature of the issue, but with how this program hammers home the academics I have little doubt that if there were something there, JJ would have experienced repercussions just like any other player.)

When you add them up, it's really bad optics.

But adding them up in the first place is the mistake.

Three of these guys were not recruited by Fuente - and all three were known as great talents with baggage off the field and between the ears. How many chances do you get? The scholly is contingent on maintenance of certain standards: scholastically (AA), legally (Mook), and personally & emotionally (T Hill), those standards were not met and maintained. I love those guys as Hokies, but if what we've been told about each case is true? I'm comfortable with the decisions Fu & Co have made in each of those cases.

(Cam Goode apparently wasn't aware there was gonna be running. (/s) We'll probably never know exactly how it all went down, but it's pretty well established that there were physical expectations that CG did not meet, and was not able to meet.)

TL;DR: It has been a really rough series of player issues for Fuente, this staff, and VT - but all of them seem to have been handled in a way that prioritizes the program's ongoing health & culture over guys who, for a variety of reasons, can't be relied upon to uphold it.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

To Fuente's credit, stuff like this happened during the Beamer era as well (Marcus Vick, Brandon Ore etc.)...given how nice of a person Beamer was, I wouldn't be surprised if Frank let a lot of shit slide that Fuente wouldn't.

I think the older a coach gets, the more times they see second chances working out for the better and they become optimistic.

I think it becomes hard to lose hope in one of your players when you have seen so many turn things around.

So, will we be seeing him on the next season of "Last Chance U"?

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VT MSE '17

Honestly this team is reminding me of the 2003 one more than I'd prefer.

I was thinking this last night...

I wish you hadn't said that, because now I'm gonna be thinking about it and agreeing with it for a while...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Watching DeAngelo Hall try to fight Keith Willis on prime time national television after just getting ejected for fighting Antrel Rolle was such a great look for the program /s

What a waste of talent that team was. I have a friend who talked to CFB one time, and he said that the 2003 team was as talented if not more talented than the 1999 team, but they were also the most undisciplined team he had ever coached. He said they'd fight at team meals, in meetings, in the rocker locker room, on the plane, etc. When they were good, they were amazing (Syracuse, Miami, and Texas A&M games come to mind), but when they were bad, they were so bad (WVU, Temple, and Cal games come to mind).

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

That team still makes me mad as shit to this day. I have trouble reconciling with D Hall over it. The guy had a ton of talent but was a complete locker room cancer.

"They'd rather win football games, you'd rather be sophisticated. Go like baseball loser."
-Colin Cowherd

#ALLMAROONEVERYTHING

I heard that he got into a fight in the locker room after the game.

Seeing the saucy comments in here about why he got dismissed reminds me of the old adage:

You can get hired for your skills, fired for your personality.

Two thoughts tangentially related to the issue:

1) I'd like a real explanation from the coaching staff. I'm tired of vague "team rules" coachspeak nonsense. We are owed an explanation. Yes, WE. There's a big fundraiser drive going on and they are constantly begging us for money. So as part of the deal of getting my money, I expect to know what these rules and standards are and what a player did to violate those rules to be removed from the team. . So if you got arrested for weed, fought someone, flunked all your classes. Just say it. I don't expect a running tally of every violation. You can keep that in house. That's fine. But when a player is dismissed, it should be said why.

2) It'd be nice if these beat reporters would actually do their jobs and find the real story so we didn't have to rely on random message board poster whose brother was once high school roommates with the dad of a player that is one team who could be telling the truth but also may just be looking for upvotes.

In defense of point #2, the news broke at noon today (Sunday). According to Andy Bitter, it came out just as he was getting on the road to come home from Norfolk.

I think it's acceptable for the reporters to not have anything substantial within five hours of news unexpectedly dropping on a Sunday from a notoriously tight-lipped staff.

That's fair. But I'm just extrapolating based on past experience that we'll likely won't know anything significant from them for quite some time if ever. They'll ask the standard questions, the coaching staff and admin will deflect, they'll push, they'll deflect. And we'll move on to the next week.

A real journalist also has higher standards for posting information than do folks with #sauces on a message board. Bitter and the Athletic are both liable if he prints unsubstantiated nonsense. So if he can't get multiple people to speak to him on it, he isn't going to report it.

Thank you.

Donating doesn't equal transparency, although it can buy the privilege.

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Donating doesn't equal transparency, although it can buy the privilege.

Maintaining ethics and showing how shouldn't be a privilege reserved for those with the biggest bank accounts. That's what the luxury boxes are for.

That's their job. It's their job to find the stories and details. There's been stuff on the internet from our program and various others that are actually credible that reporters don't ever get. It could be they couldn't get people to talk to them. It also could be they are fine just going through the motions, never looking for any details, and essentially running PR for whatever beat they are covering, which is a FAR more common thing nowadays across all forms of journalism. I'm not saying some beat guy just runs his story on a comment from HokieDude234 without ever checking in on it. But I expect to see more than what you see a lot from beats nowadays. BTW, the grounds for liable lawsuits are actually pretty high. The burden to actually prove a report is flatly unsubstantiated is very difficult to where a lot of liable/slander cases are dismissed before they ever get off the ground. They have more protection than you think, though the reputation of themselves and their employer is more of a deterrent to throwing out any 4th hand rumor they find.

As to your first point, that's not how donations work. Donating to a non-profit doesn't mean you are entitled to your own made-up demands.

Also there are laws about disclosing that sort of stuff. So no, you won't get the full information. Nor should you.

Never said anything about the full info or at least that's not what I meant. I'm not talking full academic reports, police records, or anything like that. But something more definitive that "team rules violation" is do able and should be warranted. There's nothing preventing them from saying "academic eligibility" or some vague legal terminology or any other catch call qualifier you can think of that just skirts under the disclosure guidelines. This isn't just about me or any other fan wanting to just be in the know, it is about the standards of VT athletics. Because that's what you're donating into no matter if 100 bucks or 100,000. We should know what those standards are, how they are being met and when they aren't.

Hypothetically speaking, "not meeting team rules" could be something no one would ever have a problem with ie don't get arrested, don't sexually assault anyone, etc. But what if the scenario is the coaching staff has set up a barbaric system of conditioning and a player has gotten tired of being treated like shit and having his well being questioned so he cusses out the coach with nasty insults,pushes back physically and is kicked off the team under "not meeting team rules". That's a plausible scenario considering what just happened at Maryland. Someone died before anyone looked into it so its not a stretch that a coaching staff could insulate itself through the "let's keep it in house" attitude. That kind of thing has happened in college athletics.

Openness can help protect everyone. It's lets everyone know what the guidelines are, keeps everyone in check, and for us fans and donors, makes you feel like what you are contributing to is worthwhile. None of this is saying what Fuente or any of the staff is doing is wrong or they hiding something. But its not totally unreasonable to ask and expect more answers and information in situations like this. You want to know what you're supporting.

So let's say the coaching staff or administration provide more details, to the point that you say "oh, yeah. They had no real choice in this matter". Now you've publicly harmed the rep of a kid (and yes, to a degree 21 year olds are still kids, who don't always live up to the expectations of adulthood. I'm not saying "forgive", I'm saying "still has some growing up to do"). That damage will follow him forever (unlike Vegas, the interwebs doesn't forget).

What would be the purpose of divulging more info? If it's so some random fan knows more, then it's not worth it. If it's required reporting (e.g., Title IX kind of stuff or State law), then it needs to be done.

Trevon knows what went down and why. If he's been slighted, I fully expect that we'll hear about it. So unless Trevon wants to debate this in public and we've seen that he's not afraid to engage in a public debate, then I'll trust that the coaching staff and VT administration did the right thing.

Spare me the "won't someone think of the children". If it is something serious, like a violation of actual laws, that is going to follow the athlete regardless of what is or isn't said in a statement from the school. If its something where his/her GPA dipped below the requirements, popped off to a coach, multiple no shows to practices/other team events, etc, that's not going to be an anchor around anyone's neck for the rest of their lives. I'm not asking for a laundry list of "Yeah, this kid was a real piece of shit. Constantly stole from teammates, kicked puppies, put ketchup on hotdogs" but I see nothing wrong "Player X didn't meet the academic rules. Player X had so many warnings about disruptive behavior and he ran out of warnings. Player X missed too many team events". There's no lasting harm in providing more insight while also showing everyone that such standards and expectations are being held up. If there's enough info provided, you don't have to take it on full faith that the right thing was done. You'll know. That protects the players, the future players, and the coaches. You said you fully expect if Trevon was slighted, you fully expect you'll hear about it. But you don't know that. There's been plenty of instances where someone has been wronged but they don't speak out because they fear further repercussions. You don't have to look long to see examples of that. But if you want to keep it to sports, you could look at situations like the famous example of Bob Knight who went for decades before anybody spoke up. That's why keeping it all in house, vague statements, and the like doesn't really help anyone. Doing the right thing can exist in that world, but doing the wrong thing can as well. Doing the wrong thing is a hell of lot harder if things are more transparent.

I'm glad that you were a perfectly functioning adult who never did anything stupid, at age 21, but the vast majority of people, especially those in college aren't.

None of his behavioral events are any of your concern and you have zero "need to know". This in particular applies to anything that has to do with his academic or medical history history. If there is a police report then you can certainly look it up, because it's public record. Other than that neither the school, the coaches, the team nor the player in question owe you any explanation what so ever.

Plenty of schools list reasons you mentioned. You're saying you've never seen an announcement like "Player X is on academic probation"? It's not asking too much to get one step beyond a completely vague "team rules standards". One step being providing slightly more descriptive information ie the general area of the violation or section of a listed set of guidelines, not a full rap sheet detailing every instance and interaction of a player, his SSN, transcripts, personal contacts, or whatever. You should be owed some of those explanations how its being conducted so you know if what you're supporting is worthwhile to continue to support. All these programs preach community and family, right? So if that's really true, the programs should be more transparent to the community.

As for #1, I hope you're donating a LOT of money.

If you are, I still don't think you're OWED an explanation. But if you're donating buildings and such, I'm guessing they'll pick up the phone when you call and tell you.

As a fellow donor, I feel like we're owed a better performance than what we saw yesterday. I'm under the impression that Fuente agrees.

Someone needs to remake this gif with the text saying "Bitter....Bitter....Bitter...."

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Your donations don't override FERPA guidelines.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

The fact that the best pass rusher on the team is no longer part of the program spoke volumes, if you understand how to read the handwriting.

It sucks for me. I said during Hill's recruiting cycle that he would be a better player than Josh Sweat. He was proving it on the field. Off the field, I don't know but a coach that wants to win doesn't just do something like this off the hip.

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So you're saying Fuentos doesn't want to win? /s

No. I am saying that whatever happened regarding Hill, it was egregious enough that he had to go. Because if Fuente felt like Hill's presence was still tenable, his ability and team need would mean he would be back. He's not, which makes me think it wasn't a good deal.

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That was not a serious reply btw, hence the '/s'. I'll just say in advance it's been a rough weekend for all of us.

As far as I'm concerned, everything can be forgiven for *one* more year if the bowl streak continues. I still have faith in Fuente, but blowing the bowl streak would be unforgivable.

I was right behind the Dline bench las night front row 40yard line. I posted in the DCWilson shit post but will say again what I saw on the Texh sideline.

During the 4th quarter when the defense couldnt stop a nose bleed. After yet another ODU TD, #38 Kearney came off the field and was visibly upset. He was yelling and getting physical with everyone who tired to calm him down. Hill an Kearney had to be pulled apart by Gaines & Co. . Also for what its worth, no coaches were in sight, only the young coaching Assistants were there. Also the ONLY GUY who was trying to get everyone pumped up and to pick up thier heads was Chung. Hill was away from the Defense mostly stretching his right leg and Walker was sitting down and didnt speak to anyone while the offense was on the field. This loss is on Fuente and Bud just as much as it is on the players IMO.

Pour some Beer on it

The Hokies thought it was offseason again after ECU cancelled, so they started rolling out the bad JuJU again.

Leonard. Duh.

They saw ODU on the schedule and thought they had another bye week.

ODU had something to say about that.

I blame ECU.

All I know is that I have completely lost confidence in the entire team, all over. Coaches, staff, players, etc, everyone. It's gonna take NO LESS than winning out the remainder of the games this season. The only exceptions I would make would be the ACCCG to Clemson (depending on the score) & the bowl game (depending on opponent & final score). Even if/should/when/whatever win against Duke, it won't matter or make damn bit of difference to me. They'll just be doing what I (& others) expect them to do.
Beating ND & GT will begin (slowly) to restore a little bit of that confidence for me. But to effectively reduce even half or most of the pants browning of yesterday's "performance", they will have to win out (exceptions ACCCG & bowl game).
Seriously, everything Virginia Tech about that game was/is almost as offensive as farting loudly right in the middle of Communion during Mass.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Yeah, well, your confidence wasn't that strong previously.

It was strong enough for me to not watch the game & presume everything would be well in hand. It was strong enough for me to be somewhat optimistic that JJ might pleasantly suprise some folks this season (if you'd even bother to go back & read any of my previous comments prior to the start of the season).
Perhaps that's not strong according to YOUR metrics &/or YOUR standards, but that's ok. Thankfully being a Hokie & fan is not contingent upon Big Smooooth's criteria. After all, it ain't called The Key Big Smooooth or the Virginia Tech Big Smooooothies (@ least, last I checked).

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Okay, skimmed the comments. I won't be reading anymore comments here (I'll still be reading the great content/articales put out by TKP staff) until after we beat Duke and everyone is praising Fuente and Bud for the turn around and the great game. See y'all next week, and remember that last week during the Hurricane and the ECU cancellation, that many of you were saying "there is more to life than football."

--
"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

Unless your team is in the SEC.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

It just means more.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

In the SEC football IS life, & life, subsequently, is football.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Guess it's time to take names and get down to some ass-kicking. Making examples to get their "minds right" is painful, but gotta be done.

I am with the camp that would like a little more explanation. I have skimmed the rumors and hoped/worried it was for something more than a player venting his spleen after a bad game.

Regardless of reasons, at this point it is done. My worry is there have been a number of players removed from the team in a short time. I don't want Tech to have a reputation of the coach being tight. It sounds like he was given multiple chances and this was something cumulative.

Team needs to pull together, or it is going to be a very long season.

all the players dismissed in 2018 have had multiple chances to get their acts together. Alexander by most accounts had gotten his act together, but had already dug himself too deep a hole (academically) to climb out of

The additional information was enough to put me to rest, it was the timing that made me worry.

Dang all this drama - just get ready for Duke.

It's my fault, the loss that is, I did not watch the game, same as JMU.

Also, we assume the problem with Hill is something that occurred with the team. We were in his home town for the game. did he stay with the team or go home for the night?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Gotta respect that he didn't show him the door and move on. He owned it and went to talk to all parties involved after the fact to tie up the whole situation. This whole thing is a mess but let's put it into perspective here. Losing a game that has been labeled the worst loss in 400 centuries is going to basically put the whole team at at its lowest. Every emotion is magnified to 1000. There's one direction to go from here and I have 'some' level of confidence that we can turn this thing around and get some good wins the rest of this season. No we are not winning the Coastal, but hey, lets just not burn it all down.

No we are not winning the Coastal

I'm bookmarking this on the off-chance that we pull a 2010.

Trevon was great, but DE is one place where I think we have depth (albeit unproven). Belmar, Proctor, Debose, Garbutt, etc. all provide athletic ability and some interesting upside to watch.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

What a costly trip to Norfolk this game was...not only to lose the game, but Hill for good, and Jackson potentially for the year.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Not familiar with how this works...will Trevon be able to go play at another program this year, or would he have to wait to next year? Does he have to sit out a year at the new school? Would this be handled like any other transfer, or since he was dismissed can he go play right away.

Hope he gets things straightened out and can go finish his career somewhere and possibly end up in the NFL. He is fun to watch!

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

He can't transfer and play this year, since he hasn't graduated. If he's still in school and graduates by the start of next year, he could potentially play as a grad transfer at another school.

EDIT: he already redshirted one year, so the 2018 season cannot count as a redshirt season. He'll be able to play one year somewhere else.

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Can he not claim year lost to injury since he was dismissed?

I mean he was injured like 5 times on Saturday.

Another bad optic on this whole ordeal:

Deangelo Hall was on the Sports Junkies this morning and was asked point blank about the dismissal and while he gave a similar answer as many of the posts here, about receiving conflicting stories and waiting to hear more about what happened, he also then said that it hasn't been a good look for Virginia Tech recently what with the dismissals of Alexander and other young men and might need looking into.

Not great when one of your most prominent alumni isn't exactly singing the praises of the coaching staff on a sports radio station for all to hear. Even if all the actions taken by Fuente were justified, perception plays a major role. Not sure how they could avoid this in the future as it would obviously be extremely difficult to "brief" alumni that might get put in the position Deangelo was in this morning but it might be beneficial to reach out overall to assure them the right things are being done.

I mean when it involves personal issues I'm glad the staff doesn't publicize what happened. Will that lead to prominent alumni answering questions with an IDK. Yea but I'd we really expect them to know every little detail anyway?

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

I'm not sure they could give taking points to alumni that would have any more info than what's available publicly, but even a coordinated "it's a private matter, so I'll refrain from further comment" could help.

Overall though, stories like this will be in the news, and when the right thing for the coaches to do is to not provide details, well that's taking the high road and it often leads to getting beaten over the head with hot takes and conjecture.

Plus, I think you could literally hand DHall written notes, and he's still going to say what he wants (which is awesome, I love that about him, just not always the most helpful route)

To good Friends... good health... and the besting of Hoos.

but even a coordinated "it's a private matter, so I'll refrain from further comment" could help

Fuente said today in the presser "we had a very frank and honest conversation and those conversations will remain private"

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Right, Fuente's response is what should come from the coaches or administration. My comment that you quoted was regarding the concept of trying to corrall the former players around that same response.

To good Friends... good health... and the besting of Hoos.

Also, he played under the last administration, which seems to have allowed a little more slack.

I love you Deangelo, but in this case, just shut up please. Sheesh. Circumstances of player dismissals unless in the public record (police report) don't need 'looking into' and publicizing.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Not directly related, but I haven't heard of any football alums returning at any point recently to speak with the team. This current group could probably use a dose of leadership right now from someone that isn't a coach.