Blue Devils run Hokies out of Cameron Indoor, 74-52

Duke hit an ACC season high threes (15) and blew out Virginia Tech.

[Duke Athletics]

Virginia Tech followed up a massive victory with a disappointing loss on Wednesday night. The Hokies lost to the No. 12 Duke Blue Devils 74-52. A combination of hot shooting from Duke and poor offense for the Hokies bedeviled Tech in Durham.

"That was 40 minutes of good basketball," said Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski after the game. "It's tough to do that."

Just four days removed from the program's biggest win of the season, Virginia Tech traveled to Cameron Indoor to face yet another huge opportunity. And through the first 17 minutes, Tech was up to the task and held serve with everything Duke threw at them. With 3:17 left in the first frame, Duke held a slim 29-28 advantage. A prompt 7-0 run heading into the locker room gave the Blue Devils the momentum they needed. The second half was all Duke, as the Blue Devils dominated the undersized and overwhelmed Hokies.

The eight-point edge ballooned to as much as 26 in the second frame. Tech couldn't match the energy of Duke, as the Blue Devils ran Buzzketball right off the court. Grayson Allen scored 25 points on 9 for 17 shooting, and made up for time lost from his suspension against the Hokies last season.

"He's our leader," Krzyzewski said. "With the ball in his hands, he can make plays and call plays. He's more in command."

In the previous two games out — wins against N.C. State and Virginia — the Hokies' defense was much-improved from previous ACC games. The Hokies forced 15 Wolfpack turnovers and held Virginia to their lowest shooting percentage. Against Duke, Tech proved old habits die hard. An astounding 15 for 33 shooting performance by Duke from beyond the arc looked familiar to the Hokies' other losses in ACC play. Allen led the charge for Duke, with a 7 for 15 outing from deep.

Duke out-rebounded the Hokies. Duh. But the scary part, Marvin Bagley III, the Blue Devils' leading rebounder and probably the best player in the country, was in street clothes nursing a sprained knee. It didn't bother Duke. The Blue Devils finished the game with a +17 rebounding margin, and a 11 to 3 offensive rebounding advantage.

"I thought we did a really good job of flooding the lane, being in the right position," said Buzz Williams after the game. "You're going to give something up with as many weapons as they have."

To combat the Hokies' offense, Duke rolled out a mixture of 2-3 and 3-2 zones. And they worked. Tech seemed befuddled all game long, as they struggled to find the gaps. The Hokies finished the game 21 for 49 (43%) from the field and just 7 for 20 (35%) from deep.

"We went in figuring we would play the whole game in zone," said Krzyzewski after the game. "We will play a lot more zone. That'll be pretty much our primary defense, complimented by man."

The extent to which Duke would rely on its zone was unknown to Tech.

"I told our guys I anticipated between 58 and 66% of the possessions would be zone," said Williams. "I used those numbers because I know our guys calculate it. If you say 'more than 50', they think it's a lot."

"They've always played zone, and only one game, the last game, could you use in preparation of how possibly they would play without Bagley. I did not anticipate that it would be 100% zone."

At the end of the day, it's obvious what lost Tech the game. With almost every other statistical category equal or very close, one stood out.

Virginia Tech from three: 7 for 20 (35%).
Duke from three: 15 for 33 (45.45%).

A difference of 24. The Hokies lost by 22.

I'm not saying that the rebounding doesn't matter. Or giving up 18 second chance points isn't important. But when Duke plays in Cameron, they'll win 9 out of 10 times with that many made three-pointers.

But. With all that said. This loss isn't the end of the road. For Tech to finish this two-game stretch at 1-1, it's a win. I noted that at the end of my column last week. And that's what it is. The Hokies are above .500 in the ACC (7-6) with five games remaining.

"I don't think they could've handled anything that has transpired since how bad Miami beat us, I don't think they could've handled anything better." said Williams. "That was 10 days ago that Miami beat us from start to finish in a very non-competitive game of energy by us, at home. We've had two days off, per the rules. In those 8 days, we've played 3 games, two on the road. How we've handled those environments, those situations is as good as any group since we've been here."

The Hokies now turn their attention to Georgia Tech. The Yellow Jackets are down this year, but there's no doubt that it'll be a challenge. All road ACC games are. Williams and the Hokies must be able to move on quickly.

First Half: Virginia Tech 28–Duke 36

18:54: Grayson Allen starts off the scoring with a three-pointer.

17:58 Wendell Carter Jr. goes over the back but the foul is called on Devin Wilson. Interesting, to say the least.

15:55: A great defensive sequence by Tech leads to Justin Bibbs' second three-pointer of the game. Grayson Allen got poked in the face and is recovering on the bench during the media timeout.

11:14: Duke with seven turnovers already. Hokies have turned them into nine points. Tech has only turned the ball over once so far. Huge stat to keep an eye on as the night goes on.

3:42: Duke is shooting the lights out right now. Nine made field goals, 7 of them from beyond the arc, has helped them to a 29-25 lead. Half of my brain says that the Blue Devils can't keep making these contested shots. The other half is telling me it's Tech's defense and that it will continue.

00.0: About as bad an ending to the first half as Tech could ask for. Duke heads into the locker room on a 7-0 run. It honestly feels like it's much more than that.

Second Half: Virginia Tech 52–Duke 74

18:59: Justin Robinson picks up his third foul. He's the only Tech player with more than one.

15:36: First media timeout and Tech looks a little shell-shocked right now. Duke has kept their eight-point lead (44-36). They've continued to shoot extremely well from beyond the arc as well: Out of the 13 Blue Devil baskets, 9 of them are three-pointers.

14:43: Justin Robinson checks in after Duke extends their lead to 10.

11:30: Duke is dominating Tech right now. An eight-point halftime lead is up to 17 (56-39), and the Hokies are on the brink of getting absolutely run out of the gym.

8:07: This got ugly, and fast. Tech's down 66-46, and in the sports-writing business it's time to #StartWriting. Anything else of note I'll include, but yeah, Tech's going to lose.

Comments

With such a good quality loss, I expect us to move up to a 3 seed in Lunardi's predictions.

Watching all those threes fall as Duke got rolling, maddening. I guess at least it was a fun game to watch for a chunk of the first half.

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

Whats frustrating is that, if this game was OOC, we'd probably gain a seed or 2 in the committee's eyes for "challenging ourselves", but because we play in the same conference and we have to challenge ourselves like this every year, we don't get any benefit of the doubt. Kind of half expect Lunardi to drop us to First Four Out now as this whole thing is purely absurd.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Why do we care so much about exactly where Lunardi projects us after every game? Coming down the stretch it was clear we needed to get some wins and @UVA alone won't be enough. Seeding is always a bit of a crapshoot as which higher seeds get sent where has an influence on lower seeds but Lunardi doesn't have any bearing on that. It's beyond pointless to piss and moan about his projections or even the selection committee. You can hate on the system but the criteria is pretty well understood and applied to all teams.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Sounds like SEC football whining. I know we have been snubbed in the past when we were on the bubble. But honestly, every team on the bubble is a capable team with holes in its game. If we don't want to be snubbed, win some games and leap past the bubble.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

If he did, he wouldn't be wrong. His complaint about us is our inconsistency. We proved that this week. Big win, followed by humiliating loss.

We put the K in Kwality

No question, Dook was the better team. We missed our share of bunnies in the first half that were flat momentum drainers. I think Dook got away some pushing and extra banging underneath. VT = 11, Dook = 6 in team fouls. Fuck Grayson Allen.

foresthokie
US Navy Vet

I think Dook got away some pushing and extra banging underneath.

I've just accepted that {especially at home} they're going to get away with that. It's been that way for Duke since the beginning of the Coack K-omplian era.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I have always thought that Coach K has a good plan for officiating.

1. @ home, Duke (& most teams) gets the benefit of the doubt.

2. Be aggressive. The officials try and keep the foul totals pretty even for the two teams. When the difference in fouls called is greater than 4 in the half, you have to do something egregious to have the call go against you. This works well for controlling the end of the game.

I know that I am always worried about the refs going on a run when VT has 2 fouls and the opponent has 7. That 3 fouls in 2 possession can be a real killer if the refs give 2 of those fouls to the same player.

For sure, the reffing didn't cost us the game, even had the game been called evenly I don't think we could have pulled it off...but our guys were getting mauled under the basket and the refs would swallow the whistle, especially in the first half (or the would call a jumpball)...while we could simply look at someone too hard and they'd call it.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

For the most part Duke only got away with what Duke normally gets away with at home. There were a couple of times I screamed at the TV when we got thrown to the floor and no calls. Bumping is one thing, assault is another.

"That was 40 minutes of good basketball," said Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski after the game. "It's tough to do that."

Duke turned the ball over something like 8 times halfway through the first half. Coach isn't fooling anyone.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Actually I'd say Coach K has been fooling everyone for a very long time. He's got the whole country believing he's some sort of beacon of morality. "Maker of men" is the phrase that comes to mind. In reality he's a shady sore loser who hides behind this illusion of the incorruptible iconic coach who puts the kids first. The only thing that matters to K is winning but most American sports fans think he's the most honorable active coach in all of college sports.

It's genius, really.

Edit: I know that wasn't what Fencer meant by Coach K not fooling everyone. I just felt the need to vent.

In this instance I wasn't trying to go quite that far. Although I think we have pretty similar views on what you just said. In this particular case I think that at best he had short term memory lapse, and at worst he's working on the illusion that this Duke team isn't as fallible as their record indicates.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He's propagating the idea that Duke is the pinnacle of CFBB. And by doing that, he continues to recruit the elite. He's not delusional.

Winning helps. Particularly if you do it consistently and convincingly.

I still remember when he indefinitely suspended Grayson Allen last year for just long enough for Duke to lose to us last year. Then he was back, apparently a 1 game suspension (that they lost) was enough for the serial tripper.

He's got the whole country believing he's some sort of beacon of morality.

B-b-but he learned under the tutelage of Bob Knight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chem PhD '16

Bad loser, yes.

"Maker of Men", who knows? I have a son and I am not even sure how or when to evaluate that. Some days I feel like the father of the year, other times I know I have made a mistake.

Only cares about winning? That is his job (with some boundaries). I am unaware of NCAA sanctions against Duke basketball. All programs have "good players" that have done things which are selfish or of poor character.

I know I would take the ruse of Coach K for the past 35+ seasons. A Final Four in his 6th season and an average of another every 3 years since. The dude can coach; lets hope Buzz takes VT on the same ride.

Fake it until you make it...

...into the Hall of Fame.

And once you make it, you no longer have to fake it to make it. So since he's made it no need to fade (?) it

Chem PhD '16

Man, this is disappointing. Really thought we could steal this one from them (prior to the tip). Time to lick our wounds and get ready for the Jackets.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

1-1 on the road @ LOLUVA and Duke? I'll take it.

Me, too, as if we had a choice.

Man, that was tough to watch last night, completely different looking play from what we saw Saturday.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Unfortunately it reminded me a lot of the Hoo game at Cassell. Absolutely brutal in the second half.

How many pts did JRob get last night??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Dang, only 15 pts.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

More like 5 points

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Like you said, going 1-1 over this stretch is about all we could've asked for. It really stings losing that badly, but when they're shooting that well nobody is going to beat them. And yes, when we crashed the lane and left them open for threes that didn't help, but they also hit some ridiculous shots while we were missing open shots. It wasn't likely we were going to pull out a win so if we were going to play a poor game, it might as well have been against a clearly better team so that we can now move on to a very manageable remaining schedule.

On the bright side, we stuck with them for nearly the entire first half and although they will soon have Bagley, they are very susceptible on the road and the Hokies can easily get hot at home. I expect a great game in Blacksburg when they visit.

Allen's shot clock beating 3 pointer with Clarke and Wilson all over him was a sign of how that game was gonna go.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Yeah, but it was frustrating seeing how rattled our guys got by Duke's ridiculous shooting and their own poor shooting. I was disappointed seeing the wind leave their sails so early in the 2nd half instead of playing hard to the very end. Nobody really took it upon themselves to be the leader to bring them back as even JRob went back to his early season TO mode.

Yeah, first game I have seen in a long time where it appeared the team gave up in the second half. But down 26 with 10 minutes to go, it remained hard to be optimistic.

It is almost the inverse game to the UNC game.
At least there are plenty of good wins available down the stretch.

They really did self destruct. Duke is probably the hardest place to go play but Buzz and the seniors need to keep everyone calm.

Recruit Prosim

At least we've got a shot to redeem ourselves in just 11 days

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"I don't think they could've handled anything that has transpired since how bad Miami beat us, I don't think they could've handled anything better." said Williams. "That was 10 days ago that Miami beat us from start to finish in a very non-competitive game of energy by us, at home. We've had two days off, per the rules. In those 8 days, we've played 3 games, two on the road. How we've handled those environments, those situations is as good as any group since we've been here."

I think this quote is what stands out the most to me. We have played 3 games in 8 days, two on the road, two against top 12 teams, one against a top 2 team. NBA players get tired, and even though the length of travel probably wasn't as great, you gotta remember these are college kids. The lack of rotation and closing out on three point shooters has been our bugaboo all season. Tired legs will make overcoming that hindrance that much harder.

The game was hard to watch for sure, Grayson was on fire! All you can do is tip your cap, and hope we can muster 2-3 more wins out of these remaining 5 games. None of them will be easy. But like I said last night, we looked like an 11 seed AT BEST last night (we barely looked like even that). We can't be prisoners of the moment and expect our team to be world beaters after the win over UVA. Every game will take a herculean effort, that's just life in the ACC. So I say lick our wounds and let's get after those jackets. Hopefully the chop blocks will be at a minimum.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I think this quote is what stands out the most to me. We have played 3 games in 8 days, two on the road, two against top 12 teams, one against a top 2 team. NBA players get tired, and even though the length of travel probably wasn't as great, you gotta remember these are college kids. The lack of rotation and closing out on three point shooters has been our bugaboo all season. Tired legs will make overcoming that hindrance that much harder.

Hadn't thought about it that way. I'm sure it does take a toll on them

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Trust me, I didn't either until I read that quote. I know as much as J-Rob has been balling out lately, he has to be gassed, especially after all the minutes he played in that OT game against UVA. I can't help but wonder if the reserves are showing THAT little in practice that they can't spare a couple of minutes for the starters. I don't think I saw Pig or Bede last night, and I KNOW there were several instances when Devin was running the point. It sucks that Fullard and Horne can't provide a couple of minutes for KB. I know Horne got in the game late in the game but still.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Great perspective

After witnessing my first game within Cameron Indoor, a few obervations:

1) Cameron Indoor is small as hell. It has the feel of a high school stadium, but with tons of history and accolades.
2) Duke fans are exactly what their stereotypes are. The guy sitting next to me complained about the refs start to finish, even when VT had TWICE as many fouls called against us as Duke did.
3) Our offense really struggled with Robinson out with foul trouble, which makes it scary how much we rely on him.
4) Ahmed Hill is still way off. We need him to be another scoring option and 3-point threat again.
5) We missed a TON of easy layups and putbacks under the basket, but it was mainly due to the size disadvantage.
6) Grayson Allen is still a bitch. Don't know if anyone saw him after one of his 3s early in the second half when he deliberately ran through Devin Wilson, but it was a total prick move.
7) At the end of the day, there has always been one tried and true formula to beat Duke: make more 3s than they do. No matter who is on the court or what year it is, anytime an opponent shoots 3s better than Duke, they win. As Skutt wrote above, we clearly failed at doing that.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I seen when Grayson did that, my blood boiled for sure. Hope we get after them in Blacksburg.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

As he is wont to do, he definitely tried to trip/kick one of our guys near the top of the key in the first half as well. Not sure if anyone else saw it. I didn't see any mentions.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

We saw it here at our house. Pissed us off, but truth be told, we weren't surprised.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Oh, I wasn't surprised, but I definitely felt some type of way about it.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Yeah, we looked at each other and both exclaimed at the same time about "Tripper Allen" being at it again.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Another thing: commentators have pointed it out with our defense before, but why we collapse to the paint and leave a guy like Grayson Allen WIDE TF OPEN on the wing for a kick-out 3 baffles me, especially when it continues to bite us in the ass every.damn.time.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Exactly. And I'm not saying that we don't need to keep teams out of the paint, because we do, but we at least need to switch things up. If a team isn't hitting anything outside then let them shoot. When they're shooting 50% then close out and make them hit tough shots in the paint.

I understand starting out by crashing on the ball penetration because of our size disadvantage and not wanting Wendell to touch the ball, but getting torched by 3's is not the answer either. An adjustment needed to be made to throw them off and force them into bad 3's or a different offensive gameplan.

An elite big man would alleviate a lot of the need to crash the paint

Recruit Prosim

The difference in this game was us leaving their shooters (Allen and that other guard.. #2 maybe? that the announcers were drooling all over) vs Duke locking down ours. We even had decent rotations in response to ball movement out of the post most of the time but once someone as good as Allen heats up you can't give them any space to catch the ball in shooting position.

Contrast that with Bibbs once Bibbs knocked down a few 3's early in the game he disappeared because Duke put him on lockdown.

Yeah I think it was Gary Trent knocking down 3s as well. Difference was they were passing inside-out for open looks and we couldn't even feed the ball down low to kick back out to begin with.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Because they had two guys parked under the basket. How many times did we feed into the top of the key only for Clarke/Wilson/Kj to turn thinking he'd be guarded and the awkwardly realize they were giving him the shot from the foul line rather than let him get position to drive?

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Me in the second half...

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

Winning in Cameron Indoor after a road win at UVA was going to be extremely difficult, period. I'm not sure I expected a W, but I did think we had turned the corner on laying eggs.

The thing that baffled me was that we went through a couple stretches (one long one) with no point guard on the floor. For all the good that Devin Wilson has been during this three game stretch, he is not a point guard. Where was Bede?

It was also baffling that we had him at the high post during our offensive sets. Every time he touched the ball he had a wide open look... but he didn't attempt a shot. Bibbs at that spot worked well, but we worked him in at there far too late in the game.

In any event, splitting the last two is great for this team heading into March!

Is it football season yet?

I added another item to this season's wish list. After listening to Jay Bilas commentate two VT games in a row, and listening to him wonder why Devin Wilson is getting the ball; I want to see DW go fucking bananas during a game he's doing (preferrably the Duke home game) and drop 50 points.

Leonard. Duh.

Hubie added actual real basketball knowledge to an otherwise bad broadcast. However, even he caught the infection of being inside Cameron and was gushing Duke by the end of the game.

The real problem is that with Ahmed Hill on the milk carton and Ty Outlaw injured, DW has to score a couple of buckets to make his defensive minutes really count. He did that against the Hoos (7 pts & 7 boards) and not against Duke. Respecting that he "might" score opens up that Zone Duke played last night. When he was at the foul line he needed to drive then kick or take the jumper. Even if he misses. Instead he just kicked it out. Jay Bilas was right about that 1 thing.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

We did get out-efforted last night a little bit, but all the breaks went Duke's way - long rebounds especially. Even the announcer toward the end (not sure which one) basically said this just wasn't Tech's night.

But I did notice that we tried to jump a lot of their entry passes down low. I saw KBJ and Clarke try it. It never seemed to work and usually got one of our defenders out of position. Can someone who knows basketball explain why we might have taken this tack defensively?

Thanks!
Go Hokies!!

Why did we play slow on offense especially in transition? Isn't that completely contrary to Buzz's style

Need to take care of Georgia Tech this weekend and win at least 2 out of 3 at home.

Matty Ballgame

To my point above, we also need to be more consistent and competitive in every game. It's not the losses killing us, it's that we're getting blown out after a big win.

We put the K in Kwality