Buzzketball Makes Statement in 65-58 Win Over Clemson

The Hokies (20-8, 9-6 ACC) top #15 Clemson (20-7, 9-6 ACC) with defense, intensity, and good old fashioned home court advantage.

[Mark Umansky]

Lane Stadium is great.

It's a 67 thousand-seat mecca to nearly 30 years of football greatness. I've seen some of the most exciting games of my life there. It has one of the best entrances in the history of college sports.

But I've never seen it steal a team's soul.

The Clemson Tigers came into Cassell Coliseum as the fifteenth best team in the country, the fourth best team in the ACC, and in possession of a no-doubt invitation to the NCAA Tournament. They left it a sweaty mess, seemingly overwhelmed by the atmosphere and the opponent who thrived off it.

The Virginia Tech men's basketball team not only beat Clemson 65-58, they pressure cooked them with the help of 9,275 fans. Cassell was loud. Cassell was hot. And Cassell was ready to do anything it could to force a win.

Sure, the Tigers were without their leading scorer. They were without their starting point guard. They also melted into a puddle that had to be wiped from the floor by the time the horn sounded.

Don't let the final score fool you, the Hokies were up 14 with just over two minutes to play and controlled the entire second half. Clemson hit one of eight free throws after intermission, and relied solely on guard Marcquise Reed jacking contested triples late in the shot clock to remain afloat.

Outside of Reed's prayers, Tech boa constrictor-ed the hell out of them. Clemson was held to just 39% shooting, turned it over 11 times, and committed a number of dumb fouls after being out-positioned for a rebound.

And with every missed shot and absent-minded giveaway, the crowd grew louder. Which is good, because it's not like Buzz Williams' bunch played a flawless game.

The Hokies also shot poorly (35% from the field), they gave up a sizeable lead near the end, and missed a lot of open threes. But as the Tigers fell apart, Tech capitalized.

Justin Robinson got out and ran any chance he could, finishing with 14 points and five assists. Kerry Blackshear did his best battling Elijah Thomas down low, and sealed things with some free throws late. And Devin Wilson (yes, that Devin Wilson) hit a pair of enormous three pointers (no, I'm not kidding, THAT Devin Wilson) when the Hokies needed them most.

Tech made the most of their opportunities, scoring 17 points off turnovers and going deep into their bench to tire out a short-handed Tiger squad. And their intensity could only be matched by the people in the stands, an entire community willing their way to another March Madness trip.

"Since the Miami game we've done zero percent of anything relative to offense," Williams said. "And in many respects, we've been at the same clip offensively, but at a distinctively better clip defensively. We're forcing teams that are incredibly well coached into late, contested threes. Our turnover rate defensively has went through the roof, and the paradox is that we value the ball more."

The Hokies have Louisville up next in Blacksburg on Saturday. And if the same team shows up with the same crowd, they'll be really tough to beat.

A few quick thoughts

Man, that first bench lineup Buzz used was FEISTY.

Early on, the head Hokie replaced most of the starters with the bench mob of Wabissa Bede, P.J. Horne, and Chris Clarke to pair with Wilson and Justin Bibbs. They're not the most talented group, nor are they the prettiest to watch offensively, but good lord do they try hard.

Bede, Clarke, and Wilson flew around the perimeter on defense, causing major problems for the Tigers as they tried to dump the ball inside. Bede and Clarke both ended up with a steal, and lead a stretch that ended up with a few open threes (including one swished by Horne), and a balls-to-the-wall six point swing in Tech's favor.

"It's not only good for (the bench guys), but it's good for (Robinson and Blackshear), because they can get a drink of water on the bench, and it's not completely disintegrating," Williams said. " I think that because those kids are playing more of a roll, the togetherness of what we're trying to do is reflected in how we play in a game. But if you were at practice every day you can kind of see it growing, and maybe there's a little bit of a crescendo. And hopefully there's more than two weeks left in our season, and so hopefully that'll keep going."

I don't know how much Williams trusts all of the young guys, but if they can provide a bit of energy in a four minute spurt each half, their playing time is well worth it. (And, for what it's worth, those guys came off the bench before Ahmed Hill. I don't think it means anything, because you can never trust Buzz's thinking game-to-game when it comes to his rotations, but it's interesting.)

The last time we heard an ESPN color commentator scream that there was no doubt the Hokies would make the NCAA Tournament, Dick Vitale was dodging students after Tech upset Duke at home. So when Jay Bilas said it in Charlottesville last weekend, it felt untrustworthy.

But now, with three wins over teams with top-10 RPI and an outside chance at a double bye in the ACC Tournament, I think it's fine to be a little less nervous as we hurtle towards Selection Sunday.


5 is such a tremendous field marshall out there directing the team. What a talented dude.
Also the people's champ:

VB born, class of '14

I bet bacon for the players would be an impermissible benefit.

At Louisville, impermissible benefits are hookers. At VT, it's $10 worth of bacon.

I bet bacon for the players would be an impermissible benefit.

The bacon is for all students, not just athletes, right?

Just think about it, before asking why I posted this gif. All my gamers will appreciate how this applies. #KlempsonFail

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I don't know that they were so great anymore with the injuries though. They were looking pretty dizzy at the end there.

That is Great Tiger getting whipped, not Mike Tyson; the analogy checks out.

They're still a very good team. They barely skipped a beat when Grantham went down and Mitchell hurts, but their last 3 were at FSU, where literally anyone can lose, against Duke, and on the road against us. That's not an easy slate. They still have plenty of 3 point shooters and a solid big in Elijah Thomas. It's just because their players went down in the middle of the season. Nobody is making excuses for us because a young talented big and arguably the best pure shooter in the ACC are on our bench. They obviously weren't at full strength, but they're still a very good team. That defense is legit as we saw last night.

When he drops for the uppercut, hit him in the gut and you'll get a star. You can knock him out a lot quicker that way.

That CC rebound towards the end of the game was surely a gut punch for a star.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Now we just need to be consistent down the stretch! Great win at home for the good guys.

Great win but hats off to George Mason tonight hitting the buzzer beating three for the second time to beat St Joes this season. Pretty unbelievable.

Whatever Buzz had done... with the line up, Devon Wilson, focus on defense... he's the mastermind, and we are thankful.

Keep up the great effort and do this in the ACC tournament and we will see our the Big Show!

Hopefully we are a good positioning in both tournament. I love that we have become the GIANT KILLER!

I am very impressed with the ability to make major changes is the middle of league play. I hope the coaches and players keep coming up with the answers to end this season on a high note.

Buzz needs to be willing and able to identify these needed changes during a game. Since the tournaments are just around the corner, and the one-and-done aspect does not lend itself to post-game adjustments, he needs to be fearless (which he already is!) I feel he will... GO BUZZ, GO! GO HOKIES!

I think being able to consistently make in game changes takes you to elite level coach (i.e. Bud Foster). It will be awesome if Buzz can provide this leadership.

I mean, you consistently see Buzz changing our defense during the game between man-to-man and the various zones. That's pretty much a staple of basketball coaching at this level. Not sure what else he can be responsible for other than player substitution and calling plays (which every coach also does).

Though I will say my biggest issue is how we rarely change how we defend screens when a shooter gets hot. We get burned too many times by continuing to go under screens when a guy is obviously looking to shoot instead of drive.

Yesterday Brownell altered primary ball handler to try an free up #2 for more shots;
Hamilton changed FSU's rotation at Cassell after the about 5 minutes.

Coaches spend time coming up with a game plan that doesn't work due to poor performance, exemplary performance, wrinkle by opposing coach etc. It is hard evaluate and alter the plan during the game.

Ill second whats been said above the way this team have turned things around and started playing good defense has been really impressive and given me some hope we can do more if we can find a better shooting touch

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I loved seeing Pig get some minutes yesterday. He's fiery.

We beat Clemson and NC State. How are we not the 4 seed right now for the ACC tournament?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I think we are

Hoe are we not the 4 seed right now for the ACC tournament?

I know it's a typo, but I totally read this in Samuel L Jackson's voice.

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"How are these motherf-ing teams in our motherf-ing way?!?"

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Right now we are the 5 seed:

We are in a three-way tie at 9-6 with Clemson and NC State. Here are the tiebreaker rules:

If three or more teams are tied in the standings, the following procedures will be used:

a. The combined record of conference games between the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken, and seedings assigned, based on the winning percentage of the combined conference records. The higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4).

b. If procedure (a) fails to break the tie, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage by a higher winning percentage.

c. If the tie is broken by (a) or (b) regarding one or more teams, but three or more teams remain tied, then procedures (a) and (b) will be reapplied among those tied teams only.

d. If two teams remain tied, procedures (1) and (2) will be followed.

I don't understand point a. Don't we all play the same number of games?

We should when the point b, with our win over UVA and Clemson and NC State's loss.

Point A is only in regards to the games played against the teams that are tied as if they played in a group among themselves.. VT is 2-0 against Clemson and NC State. Clemson is 1-2 against VT and NC State. NC State is 1-2 against VT and Clemson. The teams are seeded by winning percentage.

The tie is broken for VT as we are first and our seeding does not need to go to point B. Point B will be used to break the tie for Clemson and NC State.

Edited for emphasis.

I understand what you are saying here, but that's not what is showing in the ACC link. It shows Clemson as #4 and VT as #5. With your explanation, it should be VT at #4, right?

At the end of the season it should but right now Clemson is 20-7 overall and we are 20-8 which is how its being shown. That makes their winning percentage higher than ours at the moment.

Why would they not just reflect how it will look at the end of the season? Isn't that the point of standings anyway - to see where we stand?

Honestly, if I had to guess, its because its probably not based on the ACC tiebreakers, its probably a mathematic equation built into the ESPN website coding, so it returns what it sees.

And it would not surprise me if that mathematics equation is likely just alphabetical order.

Alphabetical order does hold up after overall winning percentage is taken into account. Currently, the ACC standings at the ACC site has Clemson / Virginia Tech / NC State at 4 / 5 / 6 with the same conference record. If it were truly alphabetical after conference record, then NC State would be above us.

The rest of the standings follow the conference record -> overall record -> alphabetical order paradigm. See also Florida State / Miami / Louisville at 7 / 8 / 9. - MBB Standings

Edit: Added link to official ACC site standings for MBB.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

And at this point, Clemson has played one less game than us. Their winning percentage is a few decimal points ahead. At seasons end, assuming we end up with the same records, Point A would break for us.

Point A only takes in account the games played between the teams involved in the tie. We have a 1.00 winning percentage against Clemson and NC State, while they split their games against each other and both lost to us, so they have winning % of .333. The tie is broken for us to be in first, but Clemson and NC State are still tied, so they go to point B to break their tie.

Well, looks like Clemson played one less OOC game then us, so we won't be able to overcome that in case of a tie

Say it again, hokiebuzz

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I may need to start using food analogies. Maybe I can compare it to smoked turkey legs.

Let's put this another way. Point A is a round robin tournament between the teams that are tied between each other.

  1. VT played Clemson and NC State once each. VT won both.
  2. Clemson played VT once, NC State twice. Clemson lost to VT and split games with NC State.
  3. NC State played VT once, Clemson Twice. NC State lost to VT and split games with Clemson.
Teams W L Win %
Virginia Tech 2 0 1.000
NC State 1 2 0.333
Clemson 1 2 0.333

The amount of games played does not matter. The only stat that matters is win % against the teams that your team is tied against. Total games played does not matter, total wins do not matter and total losses do not matter. VT wins this and breaks their tie with NC State and Clemson. VT is ahead of Clemson and NC State

NC State and Clemson are still tied, so they go to Point B.

Totally makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why every standing online seems to have Clemson about VT. I guess everyone is just too lazy to apply the tiebreaker rules

Because you can sort by wins then winning percentage a lot easier than applying the tie breaker rules. Especially if the table is just a dumb table with win loss records input. Don't worry about it. We know where we stand.

Its OK when its in a three-way

Co-worker sent me this link that automatically generates the final ACC standings and tournament bracket based on the outcomes you select. Just pick the winners for the next three weeks and it spits it all out including explanations of tie breakers if there are any. Pretty sweet actually.

Awesome site, peter. Thanks for sharing that.

We really need FSU to lose.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Fooled around on the website & basically if all the games go as they're projected (which has us beating Louisville and losing to Duke & Miami) we finish 8th. But, if we beat Louisville as we're projected and also either upset duke at home or Miami on the road, we then move to 4th & get a double bye. It all starts with us staying focused and taking care of a team at home this Saturday who right now is probably on the wrong side of the bubble. We win Saturday, then we can start worrying about winning 1 more to get that 4 seed

Thanks for doing the leg work so I didn't have to.

If we win out, Miami beats UNC and UNC beats Duke it's got us as 2nd seed. That would be sweet.

VT BSEE '98, VT MSME '01

I'd rather have a 4 seed and clemson a 5 seed... that could set up a great semifinals matchup. VT vs UVA and Duke vs UNC.
That clemson matchup or NC State matchup seems very favorable.

this is really cool. thanks for sharing! we really have a huge difference in seeding based on these last three games. 2-10 all seem to be possible.

I think it's because the ACC Tournament isn't for another 10 days.

We win Saturday and we'll be RANKED next week. When's the last time we were ranked?

Let's Go...

I believe last year after we defeated Duke. If I recall correctly, we got shit stomped by NCST the next game.

That game was less than enjoyable to attend

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Ahh yes, that one day at PNC arena where Dennis Smith Jr was having an NBA tryout. Hard to forget, though I wish I could.

dat boy good.

Update: dat boy so good he got paid about 75k while at NCST.

Hokie Hokie Hokie hi Tech Tech what's your RPI


Top 50 now bb 😩👌🏼

Trying to make it into quadrant 1 fam.

FWIW we're 28th in Kenpom.

I keep reading Kenpom as Kenporn. I need help

I feed off of nightmares

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Love the way this team has been playing lately. Can't wait to get Dook in our house.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I can't believe I am saying this, but I hope that is Bagley's first game back. They play better without him.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

but size...


Always choose joy.

I agree with this completely. They are a totally different team with Bagley out there. Coach K has been running more of a four guard, one big set with Bagley out rather than having Carter and Bagley down low with three guards. Grayson Allen has been on fire too since Bagley went out, averaging over 26 points per game giving them a much more well rounded scoring combination between Allen and Carter rather than Bagley and Carter, which was the case before the injury.

Umm, I'm thinking we need to deal with Louisville before we start thumping our chests and calling for Dook. They're coming, regardless.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

1-0 baby...

No, the team and coaches need to deal with Louisville before they start calling for Dook. We can be excited for the way we're playing and look forward for a chance at redemption.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What a season!

Coming in strong at the end.

Go Hokies!

I almost feel safe busting out my dancing shoes...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"


This team is getting hot at the right time, NOTHING STOPS THIS TRAIN

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Let that last one against the Cardinals slip away late at the Yum! Center. Was a winnable game, I expect the good guys to come out punching and get the W at home.

Also, offhand but I missed most of the game last night driving home. I listened to the PC radio broadcast instead of Spotify. PC plays at the Dunkin Donuts Center (The Dunk), also where the Providence Bruins play. The game got called mid 2nd half because of the condensation that built up on the court, caused by the ice underneath, never heard of anything like it in my entire life of watching sports. The radio play-by-play of coaches, players and refs walking around and making small talk was so damn funny. Hearing John Rooke do an in depth synopsis of Alopecia Ed Cooley and Kevin Willard discuss the predicament was one of the most bizarre and hilarious bits of radio I have ever heard.

oops wrong thread

exit light

Attendance was 9,275 and the game was still blacked out? Not cool, ESPN, not cool. If you're within 600 seats of a sellout on a Wednesday night, that should be good enough to let the fans unable to attend watch at home.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

The game wasn't on ESPN. They aired it on Fox Sports South here in NC. Not sure ESPN had the rights to broadcast in any area where the regional feed could be found on cable.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Well, damn. SlingTV and the WatchESPN app both showed it as being on one of the ESPNs, but then gave me a message saying this content is blocked in my area. I just assumed that meant blacked out due to low attendance, like the NFL does. I guess that meant that if I lived outside the footprint of Fox Sports South, I could've watched it on the ESPN app?

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

It was on ACC Network on Sling. It was live on my phone on the ESPN app, though.

I watched it on WatchESPN, and they had the Fox Sports South logo in the upper-right corner.

The ESPN app had it blocked out in Rhode Island where my parents were trying to watch it.

Blackouts in college don't work like that. ESPN must defer to regional broadcasts.

I know all y'all seem to watch on your phones or whatever, but we had it on multiple channels from Direct TV. We actually watched it on NESN.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I was able to watch it on ACC Network-Extra on SlingTV, but only on my PC, not on my Roku/TV.

It has nothing to do with attendance. If the game is being broadcast on a regional network then it won't be available on WatchESPN in those regions.

Edit: I shouldn't reply to posts on tabs I've had open for a while.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Not until the game is over, at least. I usually just go on social media blackout (hellooooo.....Golf Clash!) until about when the game should be over, and pull up the Replay tab on WatchESPN. When the game shows up there, I watches it.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

(9,275 is sold out, that's the new capacity for Cassell)

Well, damn. Someone needs to inform Google of the change.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Lane Stadium is great.
But I've never seen it steal a team's soul.

Great writeup as always, but I have to disagree here. VT-Miami 2003 would be the pure definition of a stadium stealing a team's soul. Absolutely raucous from start to finish. You couldn't even think it was so loud.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I would argue that we saw Lane crush UVa's will to live in 2016

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

That 2003 game was something else, though. I was a freshman cadet and being in the field for the entrance was insane! Our cadet first sergeant let us go out for one or two hours after the game (and we had to wear Khakis and the VTCC polo, and we all had to stay together). It was our reward for being so loud. Everything is relative, I guess. We were so proud of our reward you'd think we'd just made a $10,000 for making a half-court shot.

Oh I was in the NEZ for the 2003 Miami game. That place was rocking an hour before kickoff.

Lane has been that hype many times since, but the team's play never really capitalized on it. The Ohio State and Clemson games had some of the rowdiest atmospheres I've seen... at least early.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

"They're jumping, they're screaming, and it's been this way for the last 30 minutes." Gives me chills every time. Everything from the entrance, to D-Hall stripping Rasco for the turnover-TD, to the missed fake field goal, this was by far my favorite game ever. It's been 15 years and I still haven't gotten over it.

Fun fact: I still have this picture framed and hanging in my room at the 'rents' house:

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Its such a bittersweet picture, knowing Everett was paralyzed in the NFL a couple years after it was taken.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Yep, I hate that and I certainly don't wish injuries on any opponent, but the picture itself is just great. Encapsulates everything they tried to do that game.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Along that line, here is the good news though, Everett recovered from the paralysis and the Buffalo Bills did something not many teams would, by keeping him on the roster until he reached 3 years of service to qualify for a full football pension. I only learned this part of the story recently as I have been selling some Sports Illustrated's on EBay and the issue referenced below was one of them.

On December 7, Everett was able to walk on his own power, but he did not have full movement.[17] Everett appeared on the cover of the December 17 issue of Sports Illustrated, which contains an article on his injury, rehabilitation and recovery. On Sunday, December 23, 2007, Kevin walked publicly on the field of Ralph Wilson Stadium in front of a number of fans for the home finale against the New York Giants. Coincidentally, Domenik Hixon was on the Giants at the time of the game after being released by the Broncos. On January 31, 2008, Everett accepted NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's invitation to sit with him at Super Bowl XLII. That day, he also appeared on Oprah, clearly able to walk under his own power.

On April 9, 2008 Everett underwent more surgery to relieve persistent pain in his neck. On May 12, 2008 Everett was waived by the Buffalo Bills to allow him to be eligible to immediately apply for lifetime disability benefits. The Bills kept Everett on the active roster prior to waiving him to ensure that he completed three full NFL seasons, allowing him to qualify for a full pension. On July 20, 2008 Everett was awarded the Jimmy V award for perseverance at the 2008 ESPY Awards for his heroic recovery from neck injury that threatened his chances of walking again, defying the odds and "never giving up"—something Jim Valvano said himself at the 1993 ESPY Awards. Everett was the grand marshal and gave the command to start engines for NASCAR Nationwide Series Zippo 200 at Watkins Glen on August 9, 2008.

Great read, thanks for sharing!

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I would argue that we saw Lane crush UVa's will to live in 2016 from 2000-2017

That was our team that did that though, not Lane. I'm convinced that if there were 58 people in stands (so a typical UVA spring game festival), the result would've been the same. We were much better, had much more momentum, and they knew they had no business being in that game. However, 2003 Miami was an example of Lane really being the 12th man (not to take away how well we played for the most part).

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

The result actually was the same in Lane North.

The beat down on the 'Cuse would qualify. See quote from the Daily Orange:

The massacre ended at 9:32 p.m. EST, 204 gory minutes after an errant Jimmy Kibble kickoff began it.

No. 4 Virginia Tech, playing with the enthusiasm and skill of a national-champion-in-waiting, turned Lane Stadium into an Orange cemetery Saturday evening, smothering No. 16 Syracuse 62-0.

The first 30 minutes served as a public funeral, the last 30 minutes a disrespectful Blacksburg burial. The stat sheet read like an obituary, a numerical tribute to the most dominant effort in the Big East's nine-year history.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Probably the drunkest I've ever been at a game. Snuck in a fifth of Captain Morgans inside a drum (HT alumni band). Good times.

It was sick how one-sided that game was, and IIRC, it was the largest shut-out of a ranked team in the history of the polls. Haven't seen a walloping like that (live, at least) since.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I flew down for that game, also got absolutely hammered. Drank a 94 Silver Oak tailgating before the game, and snuck in a 94 Caymus inside my Levi's jacket for the game. Yep, I'm a wine guy.

Yelled myself hoarse...couldn't really talk for days afterwards.

That was definitely one of the more interesting games I've attended. We had no idea we'd trounce them like that and as the inevitability of the outcome became more and more obvious, the stadium just seemed to grow with intensity. It was cold as a titch's witty, but though we had it, we didn't need bourbon to heat up that day.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Great team win, with 10 players putting in meaningful minutes, we missed those fresh legs last year.

I hope we can throw away the lock and key on Sat. vs Louisville while simultaneously crushing the Cheatin' Cards hope for a NCAA tourney birth.

Waiting for the game when Pig Jackson goes off and Buzz can't take him out. I think he's a bit like his bro. Buzz has mentioned he will have some big scoring games.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I like the thread, don't like or agree with the title (because "making a statement" has been played out & because I was EXPECTING them to win), LOVE the victory. Serious question: does anyone get the feeling that Clemson (although in actuality) is not an authentic top 15, 20 or even 25 team??

Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Clemson is currently #9 in RPI, #17 in BPI, and #16 in Massey. Yeah, they have some key injuries, but it's still a high quality win on our resume.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Yeah, they have some key injuries, but it's still a high quality win on our resume.

Agreed. Also, will absolutely take it if it looks "sexy" for the tourney committee.

Waho's suck
Uva swallows

When they were in stride, they were a Top-20 (maybe Top-15) team, but I think their injuries really affected their psyche more than anything. Every team deals with injuries and a couple, even to quality players, shouldn't totally derail a team. All this to say, I think they're just playing poorly.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"