The Key Podcast: S17E01, Emergency Session

Three of the Hokies' top offensive weapons declared for the NFL, we talk about that and more.

Brian and I called to order an impromptu emergency session of The Key Podcast. We discussed the most pressing Virginia Tech storylines including but not limited to:

  • The early departures of Bucky Hodges, Isaiah Ford, and Jerod Evans;
  • The Hokies' quarterback status moving forward;
  • Whether or not the loss of offensive talent is more of a long-term positive or short-term setback;
  • If Virginia Tech is set up to win more games in 2017 than 2016;

There was also plenty of rambling. Feedback (especially whether or not you want to listen to this type of podcast) is most welcomed.

Comments

Is it possible to get this in iTunes podcast form?

From the Bay State to Old Dominion. The coast of New England to the mountains of Appalachia. LETS GO...HOKIES!

They used to come through on Itunes as well. I'm still subscribed there, although the last one on the feed is from Oct of 2015. Hopefully this episode just hasn't hit my phone yet. If you're looking and don't already know about it, another great Hokie podcast is 'Two Deep: Hokies Under the Influence." I think they have good commentary and every few weeks or so they'll have French come on as a guest and do some film breakdown too.

I'm all over Two Deep. Robbie and Pete do a good job covering the team and are just damn enjoyable to listen to!

From the Bay State to Old Dominion. The coast of New England to the mountains of Appalachia. LETS GO...HOKIES!

Rob and Pete do an excellent job. I am a regular listener.

Whether or not the loss of offensive talent is more of a long-term positive or short-term setback;

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

All I see is a lemon asking what kind of party this is.... and.....

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

well that was depressing...

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The new Fuente regime and the support staff are really working hard to make Virginia Tech...

Say it, Joe. Say it. You know you want to

A hype brand.

dammit. So close.

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If Fuente and Co. gets 10 or more wins next year, we easily have one of the top five coaching staffs in the country.

so...what you're saying is, they'll make Virginia Tech great again?

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ITS GONNA BE YUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE

Personally audio is my preferred method of receiving info. The Two Deep Podcast is great but I also would love a second podcast for twice the sources. I think there is definitely room for both or even a joint venture maybe.

This was a bit longer than I wanted to do, to start my day, but well worth the listen.

Joe & Brian, has anyone done an analysis of recruiting results 2-3 years after the class? I know that people have analyzed the star ratings of recruits and the results have been used to refute the ratings (though they miss the point that on average a 5* make significantly larger contributions to team success than 3* recruits)?

I'd also like to see recruiting classes rated based on team need. It's great to get four 5* WR's in a class, but if you have a team that has 2 AA WR candidates and 3 reserve WR's who have been great when they get a chance to play, but are only 1 deep on OL, those 5 *'s won't do much to improve your team.

It feels like VT has had this situation for the past 5-8 yrs of FB's career. We get good DB's and DL (though not necessarily 4-5 *) while you have to go back to the Bryan Randall era to find the last time VT had a solid OL (that's a lot of years of misses on OL talent).

This is a far too early hypothetical, but assuming JJ is the starter and HH is redshirting, who takes over if there's a season-ending injury a few games in? Do we burn the shirt? Give the reins to the backup (who we are told gets 50% first team reps in practice)? What if the backup is/was a walk on?

This is assuming close spring/summer competition between JJ and HH, and 3rd option wasn't bad. Not accounting for a 1 yr grad xfer.

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Ideally we get a transfer and JJ backs him up and HH redshirts

But assuming we don't get any other QBs on the roster I think the answer depends on the performance of JJ, JC, and HH through fall camp

My guess is that JJ would start, JC would be a serviceable backup, and HH would redshirt. In the event of a season ending injury to JJ I would assume JC would play the remainder of the year with HH keeping the redshirt.

If we don't get more warm bodies at the QB position through recruitment/transfers it wouldn't surprise me if we try to move somebody else into a backup role there (Durkin, perhaps?)

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Durkin, perhaps?

Dear God I'd feel sorry for the kid if we switched his position *again.* I realize it'd just be a switch back to his original position but I'd really like to avoid Durkin turning into Joel Caleb 2.0

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate, and hetzers gonna hetz

Don't sleep on JJ. Dude looked pretty accurate during the spring game. I know he doesn't have the ground game that Evans had, but I'm not sure the QB run is an essential part of the Fuente's offense. Paxton Lynch didn't even run for 700 yards in his 3 seasons at Memphis.

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honestly, I'm not worried about JJ being a great QB. I'm worried about the O-Line he needs to hide behind and having a sufficient supporting cast. 2017 is shaping up to be 2012 all over again: not weak at QB, but way too many question marks across the board for it to matter. I'm hoping we do better than I expect, but I'm feeling pretty chicken little right now.

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Based on talking with a few people who are still close with Cody Grimm, they made it sound like the people inside the program were very high on Jackson and he came real close to winning the job in the Fall. Apparently early on Evans was forcing throws and turning the ball over.

To me Evans always looked hesitant to turn the ball over, especially towards the end of the season. He would hang on to the ball too long and then take a sack or "rush" for a no gain. He rarely threw the ball away if he was in trouble.

Hearing Joe and Brian is like hearing the voice of the heavens. Great pod guys!

I think Sam Rogers deserves a mention here as well. Obviously he is a senior and we knew he was leaving but he was a consistent weapon on offense that would make plays out of nothing. I don't think we have anybody filling his shoes either. I'm not sure what our running game will be next year...

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Am I the only person who thinks Jack Click should be getting a little more talk? I know he was down on the Depth Chart and didn't get any PT this year but he had some good looking passes in the Spring Game (a long time ago I know). Where should he be in the conversation?

My main concern with Click is whether or not he can run well enough to keep the RPO and QB Draw in the offense. Without those we don't have several important options in our new style of offense.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Reading the Twitter tea leaves, it certainly seems like the coaching staff is going to make it a priority to bring in a QB transfer this year to at the very least help with depth. We all know about Zaire, but former Cornhusker, AJ Bush just picked up a new follower in Fuente this morning.

Can't say I argue with this process

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Liked the podcast. Would love a one, such as a season review, with all thekeyplay staff on at the same time.

after that ACCCG, I was looking forward to getting Clemson at home for some sweet revenge. Now that the bulk of our offensive production is going to the NFL, I don't think that game is going to go very well for us.

Still, looking at the schedule, it really is fairly soft, especially with all the talent bolting from other schools we play.

WVU (Fedex) - they lose a lot, too. The curse of Fedex pulls this one back into toss up land.
UDel - W with our backups
@ECU - W. Ruffin is gone, I shall not fear ECU.
ODU - W. welcome to FBS, congrats on the bowl game, time to know your place.
Duke - W. still won't have recovered from this year.
UNC - W. lose Trombonesky and play in our house at least a month into the season. We will have gelled enough.
Pitt - W . Lose OC, QB, AD. I even think Pat's dog was asking for a release to transfer.
Clemson - L. They will reload and it will hurt. Bud will do fine in quarters 2&3, but I'm not sure we'll have the O-line to do well on offense.
@GT - Toss up only because GT always will be. If we have an offense, we win. If we can't keep JJ standing, we lose.
@Miami - W They are never bak. Ever. Will always pick us to win.
@BC - W. Congrats on the bowl win over UMd. You still suck. Matty Ice isn't here to save you and we still have some pent up rage to let out on Lefty.
@LOLUVa - W. 13 years of results don't lie.

So, in my completely amateur, O&M shaded opinion, we will not go 15-0 (sorry TheFifthFuller). Worst case 9 wins. Best case, 11.

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LOVED the podcast! I know these things are time consuming to create, but these should be a regular thing! Awesome to fill in gaps during the off season.

After hearing Brian talk about the rushing attempts for Jerod Evans, I just quickly glanced at ESPN Stats: Wow.

QB Rushing Attempts
Will Worth, Navy - 264
Lamar Jackson, LOU - 260
J.T. Barrett, OSU - 205
Jerod Evans, VT - 204

For reference,
Christian McCaffrey, STAN - 253
Nick Chubb, UGA - 224
James Conner, PITT- 216
Wayne Gallman, CLEM - 214
Mark Walton, MIAMI - 209
Trevon McMillian, VT - 145

I dont know how many of those are him taking off, but that is A LOT of rushing attempts, way more than I had realized, he was basically third in QB rushing attempts behind, along with Barrett. I was surprised, and saddened but it really does make much more sense looking at this.

I think a running QB is going to be an important piece of our offense

at least until we can establish a more dependable running game through the RB position and improve blocking up front.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I'd wager the difference between designed runs for Jackson and Evans/Barrett isn't that wide either. Jackson just scrambled a ton.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

JJ has been in the system!

Where is Lawson?!

Awesome work gents!! Thanks for the great listen on the way to work

Are you guys going to do another or more of these? I'd never seen or heard that TKP had a podcast until this one

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