Slept On It: Turnovers Plague the Hokies in 10-28 Loss to Miami

Reflecting on some strong feelings about The U and the missed opportunities that characterized Saturday's loss to the Hurricanes after a poor night's rest.

[Virginia Tech Athletics \ Dave Knachel]

Hate is a strong word, one reserved for serious subjects. My mother used to suggest that I use less venomous words to describe things that didn't fit my fancy, such as "dislike" or "disapprove". The truth of the matter is sometimes you need to tell it like it is, and this is one of those instances. I hate Miami.

I hate them more than any other team the Hokies play on an annual basis. I hate their fair-weather fans. I hate that those same fans throw up their wings and chant "Seven Nation Army" as though it's unique. I hate the baseless swagger that seems more like an admissions requirement than something earned. I hate that they always think they're relevant despite zero accomplishments in the last 14 years. I hate the turnover chain, which is the most Miami thing ever. But most of all, I hate that Miami is on the verge of truly being back.

People will tell you that the ACC is a better conference when Miami is nationally relevant. They're right. Miami's brand has remained strong despite close to fifteen years of mediocrity, but that's due to a combination of marketing from shoe companies and a generation of fans 30 and older. Their national identity is more closely rooted in a dwindling collection of NFL talent that symbolize their last great teams in the early aughts. As guys like Frank Gore and Greg Olsen wrap up their professional careers, they illustrate just how long it's been since Miami won on the big stage.

But here's the thing: I don't want Miami to be back. Ever. I've enjoyed watching the Hokies play a major role in their recent irrelevance. The 2004 win in Coral Gables — the one that netted Tech their first ACC Championship in their inaugural season and marked the first of eight consecutive ten-win seasons — continues to be one of my favorite Hokie football memories. The win served as the launching point for the most successful stretch of football in Virginia Tech history. Miami, on the other hand, fell through the Moon Door and began their descent into the fog of college football.

Maybe I continue to suffer from an inferiority complex that dates back to Virginia Tech's move to the ACC. When the Hokies joined the conference, they were treated like the kid brother that the more popular older sibling was forced to bring along. Tech took that slight personally, and I clearly have not gotten over it. Every, "Is Miami Back?" article that popped up served as a constant reminder that the national media desperately wanted the Hurricanes to be relevant. Yet when the Tech program slid backwards in the twilight of the Frank Beamer era, the articles focused more on how sad it was and less on an eagerness for Blacksburg's return to national significance.

The Hokies haven't exactly dominated the Canes since joining the ACC. Tech holds a narrow 8-6 edge after Saturday's loss, with the Canes having won 3 out of the last 4 meetings. Each loss to Miami has stung, but this year felt especially painful. Not only did the Miami win kick the national hype train into fifth gear ahead of their clash with No. 3 Notre Dame, but it was frustrating to watch the way the Hokies lost.

Once again, ball security played a major factor. The Hokies have had a negative turnover margin in each of their six losses under Justin Fuente, and they're 2-6 when they turn the ball over more than their opponents.

Miami was far from perfect, tossing three interceptions during a brutal offensive stretch bracketing halftime. What made the difference was the Canes' ability to cash in on the Hokies' mistakes. If you omit the two Tech turnovers that came within seconds of the end of the first and second halfs, Miami converted 2 out of 3 turnovers into touchdowns. The Hokies only managed one score on three turnovers (a 1-yard Josh Jackson touchdown run off a short field), and turned the ball back over the other two times. Simply put, that was the ballgame.

Obviously the disparity between each team's performances was greater than their ability to convert on Saturday night. But it's hard to ignore the momentum Virginia Tech seized near the end of the first half, only to slump into a lifeless offensive blob time and again.

The offense struggled all night against an aggressive and athletic Miami front. Maybe they were feeding off of the home crowd — that was a statement I never thought I would write regarding attendees to a University of Miami football game — or maybe they were that hungry. Whatever it was, they were a well disciplined unit hell bent on controlling the game from start to finish.

Virginia Tech managed 299 yards of total offense (their lowest output of the season) and a depressing 2.37 yards per carry (their second lowest of the season). Watching the Tech offense felt painful all night, and one look at the drive chart will tell you, no, you didn't black out for brief periods of time. Tech's offense was that dismal.

The Hokies managed a mere 3 drives that traveled more than 40 yards (two of which finished in turnovers), and went 3/14 on third down and 0/2 on fourth down. Despite a single drive that went three-and-out, the Hokies had 8 drives that went 20 yards or less and came away with 10 points from 5 drives inside the Miami 35 yard line.

The correlation between turnovers and losses is nothing new to Justin Fuente and the Hokies. Ball security is something Fuente has stressed since taking over in Blacksburg, and it became a focal point of the team after a bad case of "fumbleitis" characterized the start of the 2016 season. Days after losing to Tennessee in the Battle at Bristol, Fuente reflected on his team's five fumbles, saying, "My issue is with taking care of the football. If we could just do that at a much higher rate, then our consistency will improve; it'll give us better opportunities to be more consistent."

He made similar comments this season after the September loss to Clemson and again on Saturday night.

What is especially frustrating for all parties — coaches, players and fans, alike — is how fully aware everyone was of Miami's penchant for takeaways. They entered the game ranked No. 9 nationally in turnovers forced, and some would argue the Turnover Chain had gotten more national attention than the product on the field.

"By all accounts, they do get excited about it and it's something they take pride in," remarked Fuente earlier in the week. "Obviously they understand the importance of taking care of the football and taking the ball away, probably one of the biggest reasons they're in the situation they're in right now."

Fuente went on to note, "I think the biggest thing, statistically speaking, is [turnovers are] still one of the biggest determining factors of winning and losing games. Last year for us here was kind of an anomaly in terms of [not] taking care of the ball and still winning games. And if you look at the games we won versus the games we lost, there's a huge discrepancy."

Like the losses to Tennessee and Georgia Tech in 2016, it's difficult not to reflect on Saturday's loss to Miami and wonder what could have been. I, for one, do not feel like the Hokies are 18 points worse than the Hurricanes. Forgive me for being terribly cliche, but mistakes happen. What separates good teams from bad ones is not only their ability to limit self-inflicted wounds, but also their ability to bounce back.

We've seen the Fuente-led Hokies lose gut-wrenching games to beatable teams behind an insurmountable number of gaffes. What has made them so beloved has been their ability to bounce back the following week and take care of business. Virginia Tech is 5-0 under Fuente following a loss and 7-0 after sporting a negative turnover margin.

Take solace in the fact that the Hokies have a short week to prepare for Georgia Tech and the triple option. The less time they have to dwell on their mistakes, the better off they will be in arguably their most mentally challenging matchup of the season.


I, too, hate Miami. Despise them.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

The final minute of the game was probably the most telling in regards to how well (or poorly) the Hokies offense performed. They were granted 4 first downs because of personal fouls against the Miami defense which accounted for a distance of basically half of the football field and *still* couldn't score a touchdown.

That was the hardest thing to accept.

get some dum-dums!

The offense looked exactly like the O Cain/Stiney years against Miami- timid, can't pass protect, no plan for 3rd down. Cornelson and Fuente can fix the offense though and that is the difference

I think that has a lot to do with losing Nijman. Once that happened we lost pass protection. That made us one dimensional.

The offense lost this game, and looked really bad. It was not just turnovers. It was the entire offense. The offensive line got completely dominated by Miami. The line absolutely could not provide pass protection for any shots down the field. Miami never needed to blitz. A four man rush was more than good enough. Miami running backs broke tackles and went for long runs. Our running backs? Hah. Our poor offensive performance looked just like the Clemson game. Both the Miami and Clemson games accomplished one thing: it broke any illusion that Tech's offense is ready for prime time. Against an athletic, well-coached, top ten defense, our offense is simply not there. We no doubt have taken a step back this year.

We need to tackle better this week. Swarm to the ball and wrap up! GO HOKIES!

1-0 every week

Miami has always had the blue-chip talent, they have just had shoddy coaching for the last 15 years. Richt knows what he is doing based on his tack record, sadly da U is probably bak and it will be difficult to compete with them in the upcoming years...

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Yep... the second Miami got a legit good coach, they were bound to leap past us and into elite status. They recruit far too well to not be a dominant team with good coaching. If we ever hope to legitimately contend for the ACC again, we MUST bring our recruiting to another level. If we can't, our days of being a major player in this conference are behind us. We're no longer going to be able to skate by relying on the teams around us to fail, we're going to have to go and legitimately earn it, which is something we haven't had to ever deal with since ACC Expansion.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I agree. And unless we can get over the hump and get some of these signature wins against top-ten teams, proving we can legitimately compete with the nations best, I don't see how we can sway the top recruits to come here in droves. That was the biggest complaint in retrospect about the Beamer years - how we continually came up short on the big stage, and how it negatively affected perception and recruiting. I know it's early in the Fuente tenure, but we're still having issues with getting over the hump. I don't expect us to be world beaters, but frankly, Miami was VERY beatable. When you play a game like that and have so many errors, missed opportunities, execution errors, and questionable play calls, that is not exactly signaling to the elite recruits that we are on the rise.

I'm genuinely concerned about our ability to be nationally relevant without a major influx of talent, and not seizing these opportunities for statement wins isn't helping the cause.

I don't disagree with what you said, but I also have seen comments from recruits to the tune of "I see opportunity for me to go there and make a difference". If I'm a stud WR and I watched the VT-Miami game, I'm giving VT some serious consideration.

A lower-level top 25 team that is missing a few key pieces is not unattractive to stud recruits. Not everyone gets to (or wants to) go to Alabama where they're another cog in the machine. Lots of these high school kids dream of being the record breaking star that gets their jersey hung up in the stadium.

While I don't disagree that some recruits cite that as a reason for having interest, if that were really a true deciding factor for the majority of top recruits, then why do we see them going to the same programs year after year? More so than just making a difference, top recruits want to play with other top recruits. It's almost like peer pressure. Sure, at our current rate, we will continue to snag a handful of highly touted guys here and there, but that isn't the level needed to truly join the ranks of the elite. Building that talented depth year after year is what will make that jump for us.

Lack of success in the NFL is a bigger problem than losing big games for recruiting. If Ford, Cam, and Teller can have early success in the NFL next year, we stand a much better shot at landing top tier talent.

This is a Miami team that has looked less than impressive all season, though they are undefeated. ND will thrash them.

Our Achilles heel is typically our WR corps. Miami puts its corners on an island, drops the safeties down and bumrushes the f*** out of our offenses.

Our Achilles heel is worse this year because two WRs, 1 QB left early to become late round draft choices.

Otherwise we win that game last weekend.

Let not pretend this means something more than it does. More WR depth would have averted this, sure but who realistically has that kind of depth? Common sense realism from our best players would have averted this. A program is never going to be nationally relevant claim... facts not in evidence.

It is not entirely that Miami has more elite blue-chip talent than Virginia Tech and that is why they won and will beat us in the future. For example, Malik Rosier was a 3-star 0.8437 rated prospect on 247 sports. Ponder how effective he was against Virginia Tech. Rosier is also a junior and 22 years old. Virginia Tech is a very young team in many key positions. This cannot be ignored. When Miami discovered we could not protect the blindside long enough to get people downfield then they were able to stymie our offense. If Nijman had been able to play the offense might have been a lot more effective. The sky is not falling and Virginia Tech will be better. We are not there yet but on the way!

I've done some of my best work with smoke, mirrors, and a muleta!

Miami landed the following recruits:
2015- 4 4*
2016 - 9 4*
2017 - 10 4*
2018- 1 5* and 12 4* kids

yeah i'd say they're miles ahead of VT in regards to blue chip talent. The scary thing is now they have the coach who seems to know how to properly use said talent.

How many of them were starters last Saturday?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Take solace in the fact that the Hokies have a short week to prepare for Georgia Tech and the triple option. The less time they have to dwell on their mistakes, the better off they will be in arguably their most mentally challenging matchup of the season.

This cuts both ways unfortunately. We'll have less time to dwell, but we'll have less time to prepare as well. At least we have a ton defensive starters that have played in Techmo Bowl before. A four year starter at Mike goes a long way in this game.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Let's just hope they don't have any wheelchair plays up their sleeve. Our 4 year starting Mike can't even stop that.

I hate that Mark Richt is their coach. He's better than that. It's like when the hot, smart, successful girl in high school has a D-bag for a boyfriend.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

It's like when the hot, smart, successful girl in high school has a D-bag for a boyfriend.

I don't appreciate you talking about me like that.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

You're Mark Richt's girlfriend?

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

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"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Good article. Sums up a lot of my feelings also. I didn't lose sleep over the Clemson loss, but did Saturday night. We looked so horrible at one of those teams that is expecting something bad to happen. Yes, we played hard, but just looked out of sync. Hate applies perfectly here.

It's kind of crazy how much turnovers correlate with success for this team. I think that just shows our margin of error as a young offense in a brand new system. I'd like to revisit this in a couple years when we have a more veteran, talented offense and the system is more established. I think you could have games we lose the TO battle but still win.

Then again, that more experienced and talented team probably won't lose the TO battle often, and if they do it will most likely be against a very good team that could be a loss anyway but nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how this offense can bounce back once its established itself.

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Fuente will get his skill players through recruitment offense will get better . What worries me is the oline. I don't know how much better this line will get in the future. Hooker will challenge Jackson next year in my opinion . The value of having a better running qb that may have just slightly less accuracy than Jackson (if that's the case ) seems like the better option to keep defenses more on their toes .

Traditionally the Hokies have compensated for a less than stellar line with a mobile QB. I certainly don't prefer it to be that way but if we come to have a mobile QB in the future it may buy time for O-line development. The recruiting for those positions is not trending toward "better" yet. It is my biggest concern with this rebuild. The current structure of the VT offense needs a mobile QB that of course can throw accurately.

I've done some of my best work with smoke, mirrors, and a muleta!

I hate Miami more than I hate West Virginia and UVA combined.

There, I said it.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Woah woah woah, let's not get carried away here.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

No, I agree with him. Miami fans are basically what UVA fans would be if UVA wasn't laughably incompetent at football. It's just that one school is closer in our minds, because we actually personally know coworkers or people from high school that went to UVA.

I mean, I've met several Miami fans in my day. They may be extremely arrogant, but that arrogance doesn't quite equal the pomposity that wafts across I-64 near Charlottesville.

Imagine if Hoo fans added some arrogance to their pomposity.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Usually the "Slept on it" segment helps pull people back from the edge and realize that things aren't quite as bad as they seem. This week it makes me just want to kick a baby. I loathe Miami so badly and the national media the past few days is making my hate so much more severe.

Using /s is for cowards.

we snapped.... the damn ball... into the guy in motion's head... inside the 10 yard line... ON FOURTH DOWN

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I guess it's my utter distain for Miami that prevents me from giving duh U any sort of credit for being "bak". I'm also not willing to concede that Miami will dominate us in years to come. Miami will recruit well, but I think we're seeing the tide change for us in recruiting, esp at the linebacker spot. Bud's defense is built around LB play - strong, fast, aggressive, and smart LB's, esp at Mike. With the interest from Tisdale, Artis, and Dax, and the players like Rivers already seeing the field (albeit in garbage time), I have a strong feeling Tech's D is trending even more back to dominance.

That said, the offense leaves a lot to be desired. But as smarter more football savvy people than me have already stated....we're young, we will get better. I hope the next few years with duh U resemble the old Big East days - pier sixer donnybrooks. Anyone think we can get Jim Ross to call one?

I'm also not willing to concede that Miami will dominate us in years to come.

Miami is going to dominate the Coastal for years to come. They've always had the talent they just lacked a coach that understood the U and to some extend the game of football.

I think we're seeing the tide change for us in recruiting

Its a long time to signing day but we have one 4* commit and they have 1 five star commit and 14 four star commits

It's all conjecture until the game is played. Obviously, Miami (as I stated previously) is recruiting well and will continue to do so. I think the Coastal comes down to VT and Miami for the foreseeable future, but again I'm not willing to concede that over the next say, 10 years, Miami wins 80% of those games.

So we should just pack our things and leave? Because of we can't beat Miami every single year then what is the point of VT football at all? Just turn Lane into a concert venue/flea market and shift all our athletic department money into bass fishing or the lumberjack games.

I like watching the Hokies play football. I like it better when they win, but them winning doesn't determine if it's enjoyable for me. National Championships would be amazing, but the lack thereof doesn't make it less fun for me now.

I think too many people take the results of the games as their enjoyment instead of the game itself and are unhappy as a result. It's way more fun and relaxing to enjoy Hokie football for what it is: a really really good team who is trying to break through to elite. I look forward to when that will happen, I contributed towards that goal with the Hokie Club and I do get frustrated some with losses, but I mostly just enjoy them playing. It's really fun, y'all. We have a fun team to watch.

Get Angry, Bud!

Just turn Lane into a concert venue/flea market and shift all our athletic department money into bass fishing

Speaking of fun things to do what if we pulled a BMS and while re-finishing Lane for those concerts we made lane stadium a All world Bass Lake for the Fishing season

On a more serious note, the idea is mostly what you say its a game. But also, we have to understand our conference and our competitors, and how they have changed and are now better in the last 3 years. We have to compete harder at recruiting because the bar has been raised

This should have more legs.

I dont know if the Miami NFL was a joke but in the last 3 years the NFL has select U player in the first round every year and 18 players overall

Hate Miami

Not being old enough to remember playing WVU every year, Miami has without a doubt become my most hated team. Their culture is the antithesis of Virginia Tech and I despise the love they get from the media. If there is one good thing to come out of Miami's resurgence, its that this could turn into a real rivalry over the next years. We've never liked them, but now that both of our programs are becoming relevant again I think this could be a Clemson/FSU battle for the Coastal every year. That, and the extreme differences in our style and culture could make for an entertaining story line for the media. I look forward to the 30 for 30 ESPN makes in 20 years about VT and Miami's annual battle for the ACC and the multiple CFP championships we win.

Just in time for GT to slide into the abyss, apparently.

I would love to think the VT-Miami game is the de facto Coastal Division Championship every year.

As long as we win two out of three.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Hell yes.

I remember talking to a Miami "fan" (he grew up in the 757) when I was still in college a little while after we smashed them, probably around '09. He kept saying he hated Tech. And I loved it. I never smack talked back., just took it all in. Just the fact that he wanted Miami to be good so badly and we refused them fueled me.

Their brand of football is grating. I too have enjoyed their years of mediocrity. I loved being in the ACCCG when the conference wanted so badly for it to be FSU and Miami. I wanted to deny them again. I want to rub their faces in the grass every time we play them and I never want them to even sniff the CFP. I hate that freaking program.

The good thing about it is that we play them again, in Lane, next year.

We will have the opportunity to beat FSU and Miami in 2018.

I don't hate Miami.

We want them to be good. We NEED them to be good.

We just need to be better.

I just watched the Catholics vs Convicts 30 for 30. Like Notre Dame in that episode, VT needs to beat Miami when they're good.

This is a rivalry VT really needs.

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"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

That's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it, and the cadence required to understand the comment as intended.

We've lost 3 of the last 4 to them, with next year not looking so good either. I'd rather they just be bad.

1-1 in the Fuente era.

I like the rivalry and as much as they beat us this year a lot of that had to do with us playing poorly. It's good for us to beat a ranked Miami team; even better if they are ranked about us. Also, as a side note, I really dislike Manny Diaz. He just seems like a massive douche.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I'd rather there be a legit big boy program in the division that we can use as a good measuring stick to where we want to be.

That streak of 10 win seasons for us was great, but at the same time, it directly led to the downturn we saw, because the rest of the conference was so bad it effectively hid how deficient we were in key areas, like OL. If our goal is truly to build toward a national championship, then we need to be measuring up to and matching, if not passing, the elite teams of football. Door humping your way to a conference title in a bad conference is not the way to get that done.

Having Miami become Miami again will only help us in the long-term. It'll force us to make the changes necessary to compete at the highest levels. That is not a bad thing.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

If our goal is truly to build toward a national championship

I don't think that's a realistic goal anymore. The days of Beamer being able to find hidden elite players in VA are gone. These days it's much too difficult to thanks to Hudl, etc. providing exposure for those guys. And that's on top of FSU, Bama, etc. poaching the area. I'm not sure the personnel will ever allow for a national run again.

How many times did ESPN announce Kurt Benkart as our starting QB this year? Will he throw for more or less TDs than JJ when we play him?

I'm putting money on the even, Bruce.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Maybe, but each year, so far, 1 of 4 teams in the CFP has not been a traditional powerhouse (Oregon, Michigan State, Washington). If you can get in, you have a chance of winning. Until we get to the point where every team selected in the top 4 is consistently a blue blood, I say we have a chance to work our way into the conversation and make a legitimate run. Hell, even though this year is turning out to be a rebuilding year, we could still have been only two games away from punching our ticket to the CFP. Maybe with a few more years of development and decent recruiting, we win those games.

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We could have made it this year by beating Miami, winning out, and beating Clemson on December 2. Any year we have one narrow loss to a good team outside the Coastal, we should be in the ACCCG. If the Atlantic Division champ is a top-10 team, and we beat them (even if it's an upset), we should be considered for the final 4.

We have to be really lucky and really good in the same year. It's a stretch. But it's within reasonable hope (if not expectation).

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Damn, if only we could recruit players outside of VA, then there would be hope!/s (edit: inflection is tough on the internet, but this isn't meant to be dickish, just to lighten some of our gloom.)

In all seriousness though, why do people think Richt is going to be so much better at Miami than at UGA where he was playing with elite recruits already? Miami is going to return to relevance, but there is room for more than one good program in this division.

Damn, if only we could get the best players in Virginia, too.

Damn, if only we could get the best players in Virginia the country, too.


He knows the U. He's a Offensive guy at the U where Offensive power is good. He had 740 win pct in 15 seasons at a SEC school and won two (SEC) championships, six SEC Eastern Division titles, and nine bowl games

also the turnover chain and what Miami wants to be as a program.

Room for 3 or 4 in some divisions, just got to work to be on the same level. look at the other side of the ACC with at one point was 3 powerhouse teams

Its going to surprise you, but much of the actual Beamer talent was Top national Talent. A lot of Juco talent came from Hargrave, and they in the end became less and less of VT's recruiting

Victor Harris and Tyrod Taylor 5-star recruits / The No. 1 player in Virginia, Xavier Adibi. / Considered the No. 2 player in Virginia back in 1993, Cornell Brown./ In 2004, the Hokies signed Eddie Royal was a 4-star prospect according to Rivals and the second-ranked player in the state./ Kevin Jones, considered by many to be the top prospect in the country in 2001,

And Beamer's Coaching gem - Jake Grove - Center A Rimington Trophy winner, given to the country's best college center, 4 years of coaching improved a 2 star recruit to an Award winner

As for National Championships

Ask fellow ACC teams Clemson and Florida State. or Auburn. Washington. uGA

Did you know Florida State University traces the origins of its modern American football team to 1947, after the school became coeducational following more than forty years as a white women's college.

Well said. I agree that as long as we continue to evolve, a strong Miami is good for VT.

I tried to find a door humping GIF, but that search went quickly downhill.......

I feel like out abysmal record against top 10 teams is playing with the teams head. We played scared against both Clemson and Miami and you can't do that when playing against top teams. Look at Iowa state or Washington state. They're nowhere near Tech in talent but had some signature wins because they played with a nothing to lose, fearless mindset.

Unfortunately we didn't.

Am I alone in wondering whether Coleman Fox could contribute as a WR? Seems like we need someone with his speed down the field, and also his ability to make defenders miss on flanker screens etc. Seems the coaching staff isn't comfortable using him more as a RB, perhaps pass protection is the concern. Seems like he could contribute as a WR considering how little we have outside of Cam and Savoy.

Also I know red zone was not our issue in this specific game, but I've been waiting to see a wildcat package for AJ Bush in the red zone all season considering how we've struggled there in other games. Seems his running ability could be a big factor in the red zone and he can also throw the fade. This is in no way bashing JJ who I think has played very well, just a thought to improve red zone efficiency.

Speaking of JJ...really seems the coaches trusted him to do so much against WVU, and then less and less in games since then. I realize Clemson and Miami have a much better defense than WVU, but JJ shined in his first prime time opportunity and seems to have been trusted with much less in his next 2 (and even in games vs Duke and BC etc).

Sorry for the long rambling post, and to be clear I think JJ has played very well and will be great in the future, just a few thoughts off hand.

I don't hate Miami. I was at VT from 00 to 05 and they were the only opponent we had that could consistently give us legitimacy. I like Richt too, so I'll root against them once or twice a year. VT and...ND? I'm torn this weekend

They ebakulated all over us last weekend.