Virginia Tech set to Face Oklahoma State in the Camping World Bowl

It's the No. 22 Hokies against the No. 19 Cowboys in Orlando.

[Michael Shroyer]

The Hokies will square off against the Cowboys in the Camping World Bowl. That is according to a report from Brett McMurphy who has a stellar track record reporting bowl matchups.

McMurphy's report was confirmed by Virginia Tech.

On paper, it's a definitive showdown between a high-octane offense and stingy defense.

The 9-3 squads split a pair of games, their only meetings, in 1971 and '72. The game is set for Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 5:15 PM.

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This doesn't seem like a good matchup to me. Not sure our defense is built to handle wide-open offenses like this.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

In Bud We Trust.

Yeah, but can their QB run?

Lol this will not end well.

Need cheap way to get to Orlando.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Walk?

Six days nonstop walking.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

You've got plenty of time to pack snacks before you need to leave.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Pie or cake?....or a little of both

Pack some eggnog.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Welp. At least Bud has a month to prepare? I'd also bet on some special teams wrinkles or trick plays.

VB born, class of '14, Semper Paratus

We're going to need to find a way to score some points. We can't bank on another UVA game performance

10 points will not be enough!

JP

It was almost enough for Texas.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

#3 Scoring O vs. #5 Scoring D

I have OK State as a 1-point favorite.

Winner gets Buzz Williams forever.

Winner gets Buzz Williams.

No thanks.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinsku, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I have OK State as a 1-point favorite.

Is this a real line that I can put a large sum of money on?

Absolutely not. Informational purposes only.

Prepare your large sum of money.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Prepared.

yea I am still betting the house on Okie St.... I think this is a blowout unfortunately

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I have a good friend that is an OK fan, and a brother that went to KSU. Both watch a lot of big 12, and both have said they would not bet Pokies straight up. Both said if they get punched in the mouth defensively early they fold up. Of course neither watches VT much, and may not realize our limitations, but I just don't see a blow-out here.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I would love to be wrong here but I see their offense firepower to be too much for us to handle and keep up with offensively.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

This is the worst trade in the history of trades -Donald

I don't know what a Hokie is but God is one of them- Lee Corso

Our offense is going to need to play one of their best games of the year.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinsku, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Our offense is going to need to play one of their best games of the year a game that they're not capable of playing at this time.

Anything can happen with multiple weeks to prepare.

In short...

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Oddball for the win. I prefer this version.

Concur. A great movie that lots have never even heard of.

It's one of my favorite movies of all-time.

Same here. I have a movie poster of the scene where they line up and approach the tank.

Good thing we aren't playing them this week. Time for our QB to get healthy could be the difference maker.

Yikes...not sure how I feel about this bowl with our inept offense at this point...

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Scouts will love to get a chance to see Rudolph against DBU

Tickets on sale now, per graphic, but tweet suggest info coming soon?

Good matchup to test how good our defense actually is

Hate to be negative, but I just can not see us scoring enough to win this game.

Gonna need our offense to score some points in this one. This could be very similar to the WVU game. Oklahoma St is going to put up yards and points. I worry if our offense can keep pace.

Not loving this matchup

Ok boys, let's party like it's the 1995 Sugar Bowl

Keep calm, Gobble on

Best party I've ever been part of.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

So long as we're not partying like the 2003 Insight Bowl.

For all of you whippersnappers, before there was Fuck Matt Ryan, there was Fuck Aaron Rodgers.

Leonard. Duh.

Was there in person. The Cal nerds postgame were insufferable. That might have begun our string of losses to NFL bound QB's (Bradford, Ryan, Watson to follow)

"I think at a certain point you’ve got to kind of shut your mouth and understand where you are."
-Corey Marshall

And Luck

The Mud Dogs are going to the Bourbon Bowl!!!

When did we play Bradford?

Maybe he was thinking of Matt Stafford?

When did we play stafford?

He said give to me Roscoe

2006 Chick-fil-a Bowl

Totally meant Stafford. Happy to not think about that game again.

"I think at a certain point you’ve got to kind of shut your mouth and understand where you are."
-Corey Marshall

Weren't we up 21-0 in that game before Charles Johnson and the rest of UGs dline took over?

Eh, 21-3, but it's not like the 3 made a difference.

I remember that the only reason we scored at all was because of Eddie Royal; Sean Glennon was the MVP for Georgia; and Georgia started the second half with a successful onside kick which pretty much ended the game.

I was sitting in the top corner of the Georgia Dome, like two or three rows from the ceiling. At least most of the scoring (including all of VT's) happened in the end zone I was closest to. And then I got like a million tiny stuff cows.

I was sitting in the top corner of the Georgia Dome, like two or three rows from the ceiling.

That sounds like my seats for the game. What I remember is that my wife and I went with a Georgia couple...they left at the half and missed Glennon's MVP performance.

Yes, I was there. Celebrating. At halftime.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Watched it on TV, but believe me that came through loud and clear on that medium as well.

Also you were spared from sideline interviews of Adam Duritz giving his insight on the game. If you are unaware who that is, he's the lead singer of Counting Crows. Why? Who knows. I'm guessing he went to Cal, but regardless, i felt your pain from the other side of the country. Miserable afterthought of a game.

Also apparently one of the highest scoring non-OT bowl games as well.

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

Funny, I had a friend at VT who's sister dated one of the guitarists for Counting Crows. He didn't have nice things to say about his sister's boyfriend.

Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb.

Hoping we see early season JJ. He'll have plenty of time to heal up now at least. I trust Bud to keep them at least a touchdown under their scoring average if not more.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

A touchdown under their average would be 39.3 points... so hopefully we can do better than that.

Couldn't do better against Tulsa a few years ago, and Okay State is better than Tulsa was. That said, our defense is also better than it was then, and I trust this offense to be better equipped to keep up.

So, you're gonna leave out how much better this VT team is than that 2015 team? They were 6-6 and lost to ECU!

This 2017 VT team is much better and the defense in even better than that!

I hate the bowl committee

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

I hate Notre Dame

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

This wouldn't have happened if Tech would go kill the yellow jackets. But Fuente is to scared of them

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

Really a negative leg for making a joke

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

hang in there, the thick skins outnumber the thin.

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I never met a project that couldn't justify a new tool.

What bowl "committee" exactly is it that you hate? Because, outside of the NY6, there is no committee.

Who ever it is need to not make bowl games against

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

Who ever it is need to not make bowl games against

I hate all committees!

Where is Lawson?!

Especially the ones I'm voluntold to be on!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Least it won't be on TV

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

This is the matchup that I was least hoping for.

Yeah, I honestly was more confident we could win vs LSU. Both offenses kind of sputtering, so would've been a low-scoring defensive slugfest. Oklahoma St is going to move the ball and score. We will likely be one of if not the best defense they have seen all year, but they will still get their yards. I see this being like the WVU game, but I worry if we see the Jackson and overall offense from that game or not. Will need to match pace with them to win.

Fuck that attitude.

Anybody, Anywhere, Any time. Period.

It's just football, dude.

Leonard. Duh.

You wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best.

Or in this case...

You wanna be pretty decent, you gotta beat pretty decent.

"Don't go to, go through"

Unless you're Auburn, in which case you beat the best twice, and watch Alabama go to the playoff.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

So, are you saying that we do want Bama now?

"Hokie religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo

#beatbama

All day long.

Leonard. Duh.

Only in Basketball

High profile matchup is good.
Team that can blow the brakes off of us is bad.

We're going to need the best game of the year from the offense to have a shot in this one.

Excited to see how Bud schemes this, but I'm not thrilled about the matchup overall. Just don't see 10 wins for us this year.

Huzzah for getting a higher tiered bowl than last year! Improvement. Ok. Quit fartin around and get to damn work. We don't wanna be 40 yrs old and have THEM come to ME!

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
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I'm impressed that Bradburn is well enough versed in college football to know Oklahoma State's nickname.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

To be fair I did post it here before I posted on Reddit. Maybe he lurks TKP. I'll let him have it on Twitter tho.

Aye, didn't see your post in the other thread

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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We're gonna get DESTROYED

I wouldn't be surprised but you have to have faith. Look at the USA hockey from 1980 winning the goal medal in the Olympics anything is possible

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

THAT'S your comparison!??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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Not sure if this is tongue-in-cheek or not, but to be clear, we're the #22 team in the country, and we're playing the #17 team in the country, not the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.


Look at the USA hockey from 1980 winning the goal medal in the Olympics anything is possible

You never know... Sometimes you find yourself in enemy territory and pull off a "miracle"- on turf

"This is really a lovely horse, I once rode her mother." - Ted Walsh

Hmmmm, Fuente has never lost a bowl game while at VT...the streak continues! /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Your arrogance blinds you master Tai

It's worth noting that for all of the hand wringing about how many points the Pokes can put up they give up 30.1 points per game too. That's only good for 86th nationally.

While I'm at it; we all know Bud excels at defending teams that don't have a rushing threat under center, and Rudolph has only rushed for 32 yards this season.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yes, that's the thing about Big 12 offenses: they're often paired with Big 12 defenses.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

Yea, but since Old Dominion, we've only put up more than 30 points once.....

We gotta have the offense that showed up against ECU to show up vs. Okie State.

So Bud has to hold them from scoring

Recruit Prosim

Good grief. Sack up, y'all.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

THANK YOU!!! OMG, my sentiments EXACTLY. Win or loss, we go in FIGHTING like we're going to win.

EDIT: Btw, PBW FTW. O&M Plaid. Close the thread.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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Personally, I think VT comes away with the throat rip.

11 bonnets on the ball!

Lube up!

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Lube up!

Wrong thread! Willie jokes are in the fsu encyclopedia!

Where is Lawson?!

Are we playing Oklahoma or Oklahoma State? It's a tough matchup but it's not like we have no chance. This is a team that gave up 29.67 30.08 points per game and lost to 6-5 Kansas State two weeks ago. They allowed 39+ five times this year. They've dropped to #19 for a reason.

Edit: math

They give up 29.67 ppg to other Big 12 offenses. We are not a Big 12 offense. That's my only concern. If our offense is average we're fine.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Seriously though. Is it Big 12 offenses that are so good or Big 12 defenses that are so bad. We'll be one of the best defenses they've played all year.

"I'll put a quote here to distract you from my inane comment."-Me

We'll be the best defense they've played all year. Iowa State would be second.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

TCU would like a word, please. They've got one of the strongest D's in the country. And yes, we will be the strongest D they face this year, but the matchup does not appear favorable. Explosive plays are this team's achilles heel this year (see Tech, Georgia) and there are very few, if any, offenses more explosive than the Cowboys.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

I missed TCU when I was looking through the scoring defense standings, my bad.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

"Tech, Georgia" got explosive plays by running highly counter to tendencies. Bud knows going in that OSU will spread it around the field, and will do what he can to make them beat him another way.

That number includes games against Baylor and Kansas. Every other Big 12 team aside from Texas (3rd lowest scoring average in the Big 12) scored at least 34 against them.

We will be fine.

Manhattan Kansas is also EXTREMELY similar to Blacksburg, except it's in the middle of freaking Kansas.

By this logic, I saw we win.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

yea and BC was/is one of the worst passing defenses and we REALLY lit them up in the air.... /s

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Good news is that the big 12 plays exactly 0 defense. So i feel good about not totally shitting the bed but I just can't see us consistently moving the ball enough to win.

I'm glad we have this matchup. It's going to be fun. Strength vs strength. Should be fun. The winner will be one who's weakness performs the best.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Might as well enjoy it.

I'm calling 7-3 Hokies. Take the under!

We put the K in Kwality

I think our defense can hold their own, at least well under their scoring average. However, I am much less confident that our offense will take advantage of their very, very bad defense. Though I hope with a month to prepare and some time for players to get healthy, that I can be proven emphatically wrong in my concerns.

Ok State will get their yards but we have to hold them to field goals. No big play touchdowns.

Much more excited to go and watch this game over seeing us play a Nick Fitzgerald-less Miss St. team or a mediorce USCe team. That being said, its definitely gonna be a much tougher challenge to get to 10 wins. Luckily their defense isnt very good and our offense has 3 weeks to prepare.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Plaid

I miss Terrell Edmunds and Divine Deablo a little bit more this afternoon, but I'm looking forward to this matchup

Hopefully Adonis is ready to ball out

Recruit Prosim

Big 12 offenses usually come back to earth again OOC foes.

I was already planning on being in Miami that week. Got some great tickets (40 yard line, 13 rows up) for face value from the VT website.

You're going to be lonely in Miami

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

Every UVA fan from the spring festival is going to be there.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I ain't skairt. You can't win big games if you do not play them. I'm ready to get back to playing with the big dogs, even if we are a little young for it this year. Win and it's huge, don't and it's a better learning experience for the youngsters than beating an average team. I also think we will better practices preparing for a better team.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Not the matchup we probably expected but a damn good matchup to get excited about. Ranked opponent, DBU vs a major passing attack, plus 3 weeks for Fuente and Corny to get prepped for a Big 12 defense? Sign me up - Go Hokies!

This is a good match up between two ranked teams that rarely plan against each other. I would take this game over a matchup against USCe or LSU purely for the fact that people will want to watch because of intrigue even if there is a good chance we will lose. I was afraid we were going to have another none-challenging bowl game but this is exactly what the team needs, which is motivation to work hard and improve.

Inhave a couple of veryclose friends that went to osu, I like okst a lot, i love stillwater.

I've watched a lot of okst. Mason rudolph is for real (what woovoo thinls mt jesus is). The've gotna bery good back and great receivers. We've got our hands full and inhate this matchup. I'm worried we get killed.

I've been drinking.

Sunday Funday I like it

I wish I could get drunk on Sundays.

It's Time to go to Work

Last time we were in this game, is was the Russell Athletic Bowl and we beat Rutgers. It started a bowl winning streak. Look forward to this matchup.

EDIT: yah, we last the Sun Bowl, so we've only lost 1 bowl since 2012, pretty darn good bowl record. I remember being in school and besting Cincy in 2008. Perfectly happy we are winning bowl games

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Yeah, I'd like to forget that 2013 sun bowl too.

What sun bowl?

At least everything after LT3 got trucked.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Fuck Jordan Zumwalt.

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate, and hetzers gonna hetz

Hit was legal. I will die on this hill.

It'll be a lonely death

Actually, outside the game result, that town and its folks were great. Met/hung out with locals, ran into and partied with a couple of player parents (including the Byrns). El Paso gets a solid thumbs up.

THIS is why there are so many bowl games! Great matchup of 2 teams that haven't faced each other for 45 years! I'm looking forward to it!

Even with so many 3 or 4 bowl eligible teams left at home.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I'd rather have some 6-6 teams stay home than see 5-7 teams go bowling. (UTSA was 6-5, other two were 6-6.)

Isn't Western Michigan where "row the boat" came from? Feel kinda bad; could have been VT.

___

-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

It was until PJ Fleck took it with him to Minnesota.

cost Fleck $50K too.

🦃 🦃 🦃

Really wish FSU was on this list or on the list of "notable non-bowl eligible teams." I get it, FSU would have never been on this list because of de cash....

Tempting to go back down to WDW for a few days around this game, but during the busiest week of the year for Orlando... think I'll just watch on TV.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Flight costs are kicking my ass. Got hotel booked when the season started but damn can't find a decent cheap flight.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Train.
From your neck of the woods to Kissimmee won't be bad compared to waiting at the airport, etc.

Bud with a few weeks to prepare, and Fuente the same. We will be fine. We are 1-0 in bowl games with this staff. I predict 2-0. Go Hokies!

SCHokie

You meant to say: "I predict we go 1-0 again this year."

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

This matchup doesn't smell good.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Fun little tidbit:

Gundy said when Fuente was coming out of HS, he was one of the first "throwers" at QB in Oklahoma. Fuente ended up going to OU.

Mike Gundy notes that Brad Cornelsen was on his staff at Okie State last decade, Vance Vice was his Cowboys teammate back in the late '80s

I'm sure Bitter will have all of this in a full write up soon.

And Vance Vice is still in the late '80's...

Is it football season yet?

I imagine partying with Gundy and Vice would be a hell of a time.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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This really surprised me, considering Gundy is only nine years older than Fuente. Apparently Gundy became OK State's WR coach the season after he graduated, then transitioned to QB coach the next season and picked up OC duties three years later, which would have been Fuente's Junior year of high school. That's an impressive career trajectory.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

A betting man like myself is putting everything on Okie State

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I just see us getting torched but not as bad as eatshitpitt did by the Pokes.

Where is Lawson?!

Probably the worst possible match up we could get. Even as good as Bud's defenses can be, they're still going to put up points. Say instead of scoring 50 like they are capable of, Bud's boys holds them to in the 30s (which is pretty good all things considered), there's no way our own offense can keep up with the way we've been playing the last 1.5 months.

But who knows. Maybe we actually figure something out in the next couple of weeks. I'm just gonna down a bunch of bourbon so I don't remember what happens either way.

WOHOO! This will be a GREAT game. Haven't played OKSt in my lifetime, and they're actually pretty dang good, right about where we are.

Looking forward to it! Anyone know if their fans are cool or are they jerks?

I did a quick search on one of their boards and the thread I read seemed a jerky. Hope it's not representative of most.

Well if Dez Bryant is an accurate representation of their fan base, then I can only imagine how their fans are....

All kidding aside, hopefully that midwest hospitality is ingrained in their fan base.

I have gone to a couple of games there. Fairly quiet fanbase, but very nice folks. Much preferred over OU arrogance.

Yeah I went over and checked out orange power and they have some weird misplaced sense of entitlement? Apparently we aren't good enough to grace the field with them.

Puh what a joke. Hope we pound that wussy ass Big 12 bullshit they put on the field.

I'd say their fanbase is about where we were in the early 2000's. A team that is not a traditional power with a recent string of success that's got them playing the "nobody respects us" card every time someone suggests that they're pretty darn good, but not quite great. Overall, they seem like a decent bunch, though.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Welp, I'm going to be in Canada for this one. Might not be the worst thing if I can't find the game on TV.

EDIT: It's on ESPN dude, Canada has ESPN...

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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If we play like 2017 WVU we will be fine. 2016 Syracuse? Not so much. However, in Bud I trust and I'll be there screaming my head off!
LET'S GO!!!

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

I swear to drunk, I'm not God

Gotta remember our offense will be going against a Big 12 D that is suspect. We are going to get our points to. I ain't skurd'a nobody! Get your ass in the ring cuz' and lets do this!

It is a natural gift I posess to create friction in sensitive situations.

Hard. Smart. Tough.

GRIT

1-0

vs.

I'm a man!!!

Ppew! Ppew!

Defense? What the hell is that?

I'll take the Hokies.

My first response is to go 'ugh we're gonna get killed' like some of you. But then I remember that while Mason Rudolph and James Washington are both pretty good, they've never been sent to Foster care before. I like our chances of slowing them down, we just have to get ours too.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

FOSTER CARE!! Genius...

I'm still over here dying at the foster care comment...

Always Jumping even from hours away.

Holy crap. Did I somehow click on Le Sabre by mistake? Glad to see Leonard and petebuddywilson giving some straight talk. Geez

When did we become scared to play anyone? Blue collar mentality: Roll up your sleeves and get to work. It is not: Roll over before a ball is snapped.

I love odd bowl matchups. Its boring as hell when we play the same east coast teams all the time (unless we're in the playoffs). Looking forward to this one no matter how tough the matchup is perceived to be.

You say it's boring? I get what you're saying, the only issue I have with that thought line is that I don't find #WINNING boring win it comes to bowl games, regardless of the level of the opponent.
Everything else, 1k% agree.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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If winning was easy then losers would do it.

I am glad this is a tough game for us. Time to cowboy up (pun intended). Quit whining and start playing.

Again agreed (and if you'll look up ahead I echoed what PBW expressed). However, during the '12-'15 seasons, regardless of the opponent, a W is a W bottom line (in fact I still feel that way regardless of opponent). Yes I want the morning challenging ones. But when it comes to bowls, I'll take the W over an inferior opponent vs a loss any day. Wins mean more than losses. But I'm with you on wanting the more challenging opponents and more meaningful bowls.

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nah man. Never shy away from competition. That breeds a loser mentality. Even if we lose the game if we come out and play a competitive game we still progress as a program.

I guess where I'm differentiating with you on is that I don't really believe in "moral victories" when it comes to football. I'm absolutely not advocating that people shy away from challenges and competition. But in terms of losses (no matter how close) serve no purpose other than a reminder that "we're not there yet" & that "they're still better than us". That's why I still feel W vs inferior opponent > L to superior opponent (but ever so narrowly). That said. I DO NOT believe in shying away. My reference to wins vs inferior opponents was more in reference to the '12-'15 seasons.
EDIT: DO agree that shying away breeds a loser mentality (ie LOLUVA) and appreciate that you expounded upon that.

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So called "moral victories" are what make a program's storied history. Nobody's going to remember that time we beat that one team.

Actual, factual, literal and tangible victories are what build and sustain a program. They may not (always) remember who you beat, but they will remember the losses. The only posisitivity that comes from a loss is when (& IF) a team truly and authentically learns from it by WINNING the next time.

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Lol

Actual fact, the biggest most program defining game in VT's history was a loss. But it was memorable because we made a name on the national stage led by the most dynamic QB college football had seen. The Hokies have been demonstrably changed for the better from that time.

Bye felicia

And for the not-so-better. Still having issues winning games that are supposed to and capable of being won (Cuse last year, Ga Tech last and this year). Plenty to name and won't get into it. No visits back to that program defining game since then. Wins mean more and carry more positivity than losses (being Captain Obvious here, I know). I would name a program changing game was the Sugar Bowl victory over Texas from the '95-'96 season. Did it carry the weight of '99 NC? Of course not. But it was a program changing victory.

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I would name a program changing game was the Sugar Bowl victory over Texas from the '95-'96 season. Did it carry the weight of '99 NC? Of course not.

Thanks for proving my point. In both cases we played up to our competition. We won one and we lost one. And the loss is still more defining. Note that we did not shy away from competition and hope to play a game that was a more likely a win for the sake of having another win.

[Capt Obvious Guy again] but it would've been MORE impactful and BETTER for the program if we: a) had won b) returned to the NC at least once since then c) won more BCS bowls. I (and others) have pointed out (as nauseum) that one of the things that constantly plagued the team during the Beamer era was not winning the games they were more than capable or expected to win (not "taking care of business") both before AND post NC appearance. We're still dealing with that during the Fuente (right now). Thankfully, efforts are being made to eradicate that.

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This just in! If we win EVERY game we'll be the best there is!!!

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Lmao YES! And THEN all those losses (aka "moral victories") will FINALLY mean something positive, but ONLY then.

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Obviously winning against a top team is best, but playing the top teams is more appealing than playing against a team you should beat from a national perspective, and losing to a top team is MUCH better than losing to a team you should beat. Ask any fan, or recruit, if they would rather see us schedule cup-cakes or teams that get national attention. I personally do not think the bowl games are much different in that regard.

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But you said:

But when it comes to bowls, I'll take the W over an inferior opponent vs a loss any day

So you think it would have been better if we played in a lower bowl and won rather than lost in the national championship game? A few more W's in the TaxSlayer bowl instead of losses in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowls? Of course it would have been better if we won more BCS games, no one is disagreeing with that, the thing people have taken umbrage with is the idea that we would have been better off playing in crap bowls and picking up easy Ws rather than losing in better bowls, aka your original point.

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Our offense has been struggling in recent weeks due largely to Jackson playing dinged up. Ever since Miami, when he was nearly killed several times over, he hasn't been the same. I wonder if a month of rest before the bowl game will help him return to form.

I'm very curious to see what Foster's defense does against a Big12 team, a conference that seems to be allergic to defense.

They say that improvement happens most between the regular season and the bowl game. Here's hoping that it holds true for Jackson.

When's the last time we've even played a Big12 team? Maybe Nebraska before they went Big10, but even they never had a Big12 offense

...seriously? We opened the season against a Big12 team. Not a traditional Big12 team, but still.

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hah! i'd like to say i meant before wvu but i'm just an idiot.

WVU this year Kansas one year I can't recall that game well though, Texas in 95 for big win, and two wins against Nebraska.

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According to a t-shirt in my closet I was at the Kansas game...I just can't seem to remember that game ever happening.

Would have been awesome to get the Belk again and have the two Corps of Cadets of Tech and A&M in the stands. That and even with Jimbo Fisher at A&M I wouldn't expect miracles for the Aggies

Will Jimbo be coaching for Aggy? Isn't it pretty typical for the incoming coach in such situations to let the interim guy coach the bowl game while he works on building staff and a recruiting class?

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Jimbo didn't even coach FSU's last game of the regular season.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

On the surface, I don't dislike this matchup nearly as much as some here.

I see preparing for OK State as the inverse of prepping for GT; given 4 weeks, I have confidence that BF can formulate a scheme that can slow them down. I don't think its unreasonable to think that our D can hold them under 30.

For me, our O vs. their D is the key matchup and where the game will be decided. Only watched the Okla. game closely, but their D looked POROUS (and that's a mild complement). Will need to look at some tape to get a better idea on matchups, but there are plenty of points to be scored on them.

One thing that I think will be key is being more aggressive on offense, possibly risking turnovers at the expense of getting scoring opportunities. JJ has to be able (and allowed to) open things up and not have the #1 goal be to not turn it over.

Either way, this is a less than 2 hour drive from Front Door; count me In.

To be fair, OU makes everyone's defense (Except Iowa State for some strange reason) look really porous. The Pokes looked fairly decent on defense early in the season, but started to regress in the last 5 weeks or so. Hopefully CornFu can do some scheming and our line can get healthy over the next 4 weeks and we'll see a capable offense and a good ball game.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

To be fair, OU makes everyone's defense (Except Iowa State for some strange reason) look really porous.

True, but OU scored more points (62) against OSU than they did against any other team. This is a bad defense.

While I think we can find a way to play some offense and score points, I think it would be foolish to even put OU's offense and VT's offense in the same train of thought.

What OU does to a team's defense has zero, zilch, nada bearing on how our offense performs. OU is so many light years ahead on offense it isn't even funny :(

He's not comparing our offenses. He's comparing OSU's defense with all the others in the Big 12.

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That was also a rivalry game, and a close one at that. OU could have dropped 70 on the majority of their opponents had they wanted to, or needed to.

Well, yeah. I never compared our offense to Oklahoma's. I just said Oklahoma State's defense is so bad that OU scored their season-high in Stillwater. Oklahoma scored more against OSU than they did against UTEP, Tulane, and Kansas. Baker Mayfield threw for 598 yards at Bedlam.

I obviously don't think we'll come close to matching Oklahoma's offensive production, but Oklahoma's offense being great and Oklahoma State's defense being terrible are not mutually exclusive.

That was a rivalry game though, and a close on at that. OU could have dropped 70+ on quite a few of the teams they played had they need to.

You're missing the point. When did I compare our offense to Oklahoma's?

I don't need to be convinced that our offense isn't quite on par with the nation's #4 scoring and #1 total offense.

I would think saying OSU has a bad defense because OU racked up their season high in points against them implies some sort of connection to our ability to perform on offense. I just think that anything involving the performances of any defense against Baker Mayfield is irrelevant, or at the least, inconsequential to VT.

But if you were making a different point, that's fine as well.

No I think he's got the point. Oklahoma hanging 62 on OkSt doesn't really reflect on their defense because Oklahoma is by far the best offense in the country. They could have done that on almost any team if they set out to do it, they just rarely had to. No one's saying OkSt's defense is great, but how you perform against the very best doesn't necessarily show how good you are.

Iowa hung 55 on the Buckeyes, their second-highest (they scored 56 on Nebraska) does that mean OSU is the second-worst defense faced by the Hawkeyes this year? Trying too extrapolate too much from a single datapoint, particularly an outlier is dangerous. Yes, Okie Lite's defense is vulnerable, but they're not exactly hot garbage, either.

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I didn't use a single data point. In another comment I said Oklahoma State allowed 30+ ppg and gave up 39+ in five different games. So maybe their defense isn't hot garbage, but it's certainly warm garbage.

So....admittedly, I haven't really studied the ACC bowl arrangements (and yes, I know we have a TKP post about this -- I've looked quickly at it). But, on the surface, here's what has me scratching my head...

Camping World is the new name for the prior Russell Athletic Bowl. This is the bowl we went to a few years back when we were what, 6-6, and barely made a bowl game. That was that horrible game against Rutgers. Anyway, this season we're 9-3 and still we're relegated to the same bowl game? What gives? I have trouble imagining that bowl game, new sponsor name aside, has somehow now been elevated in stature. I mean, heck, all you have to do is look at the fact that it's on Thu, Dec 28 at 5:15pm ET to know what we're dealing with here. It's a mid-tier bowl at best.

I mean no disrespect to the players. Heck, if anything, I'm feeling they have been disrespected with this bowl game for a 9-3 season.

But again, maybe someone more knowledgeable can set me straight here.

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The bowl was elevated. About the same time we lost Chick fil a to the New Years 6.

Every once in a while, the bowls not only realign with conferences, they make deals about who they can pick.

Thanks. Okay, so I guess it depends on what we mean by elevated. Maybe elevated in terms of ACC team tiering. But as for national perception...the time slot alone feels like it's still very much a mid tier bowl.

Anyway, I am definitely happy to be facing a solid top 20 opponent. Excited about the matchup and game, just sort of wish we had somehow gotten "closer" to a big name bowl.

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Thing is, the New Year's Six sort of put the shaft on the rest of the bowls. In the BCS, you would have the four main bowls (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange) spread over January 1-3. Then FOX would schedule the Cotton Bowl for the week between the last BCS bowl and the national championship. But now all of those bowls are condensed to January 1 or earlier. And since more of them get an exclusive timeslot, the other bowls got pushed back earlier as well.

Leg. Makes sense. Don't like it, but makes sense.

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And just a few more ways of looking at the situation. From 2006-2013 (give or take), the Chick-Fil-A Bowl was ACC #2 vs. SEC #5. That was considered a very favorable bowl. CWB has the same pick of the ACC (except whenever we get Citrus), and I would say that the #3 pick of the Big 12 right now is comparable (or better) to the #5 pick of the SEC during that time.

Heck, if anything, I'm feeling they have been disrespected with this bowl game for a 9-3 season.

No, last year they were disrespected by being dropped into Tier 1 after an ACCCG appearance. This year, they couldn't make it into the New Year's Six (the way the rankings have worked out, no 3-loss team has made it), so Citrus or CWB were their ceiling.

I appreciate all the comments. But, perhaps I can say it another way, using an interesting comparison.

VT is 9-3 and playing a 9-3 Ok State team in the Camping World Bowl on Thu, Dec 28 at 5:15

South Carolina is 8-4 and playing 8-4 Michigan team in the Outback Bowl on Jan 1.

That comparison, I think, describes better what I'm questioning. It's the ACC bowl tie ins that just seem to be sucktacular (that's the technical term) as compared to the SEC and B1G. We have a South Carolina team at 8-4, playing in a Jan 1 bowl game.

Perhaps you could say I'm too hung up on the name of the bowls and their air times. But this to me is a big national perception issue. Everybody (nationally) will be tuning into that Outback Bowl on Jan 1. I'll bet dollars to donuts that our broadcast sees much lower viewership. Yet, we are the 9-3 team.

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Only because we want the free Outback bloomin onion appetizer.

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Amen, Amiright!?

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Again, it goes back to limited time slots for 39 bowls. Also, with 39 bowls, not all of them can be "good". And in order to elevate a bowl into "good" status, it needs to have quality picks from conferences. We can't elevate all of our bowls to the top of the pecking order.

Plus, the bowls can only do so much in regards to time slots. Most of them are at the mercy of ESPN.

The Big Ten does bowl selection differently. The conference pretty much assigns teams to bowls, and has deals set up where 5 schools go to each bowl in a six year span, with no back-to-back appearances. So, pretty much after the NY6 and Citrus Bowl, it's all one big pool of games and teams. I'm sure it works for them, but there's probably also times where the bowls feel a little handcuffed.

The SEC has a structure similar to the ACC, except they have 6 bowls in their "tier 1".

It's the ACC bowl tie ins that just seem to be sucktacular (that's the technical term) as compared to the SEC and B1G

Big Ten bowls:
-The Outback Bowl versus SEC
-The Holiday Bowl versus Pac-12
-The Pinstripe Bowl versus ACC
-The Music City Bowl or the TaxSlayer Bowl (formerly Gator) versus SEC

-The Foster Farms Bowl versus Pac-12
-The Quick Lane Bowl versus ACC
-The Heart of Dallas Bowl versus Big 12 or Armed Forces Bowl

SEC bowls:
-The Citrus Bowl versus Big Ten or ACC.
-The Outback Bowl versus Big Ten
-The TaxSlayer Bowl versus ACC or Big Ten
-The Music City Bowl versus ACC or Big Ten

-The Texas Bowl versus Big 12
-The Belk Bowl versus ACC
-The Liberty Bowl versus Big 12
-The Birmingham Bowl versus American
-The Independence Bowl versus ACC

The ACC is already attached to four of the Big Ten bowls, and five of the SEC bowls. Based on our feelings about the Sun Bowl, the Holiday and Foster Farms bowls really wouldn't do anything for the ACC. Likewise, the bowls in Texas are low in the pecking order, and too far away from the ACC.

Really, the only bowls in that list that the ACC doesn't have any sort of connection to that could be grabbed as a potential "upgrade" would be the Outback and Liberty Bowls.

A bowl game in Houston or Dallas are infinitely better than El Paso. As are bowls in San Diego and San Francisco.

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A bowl game in Houston or Dallas are infinitely better than El Paso. As are bowls in San Diego and San Francisco.

You should stop at San Diego.

It sucks we can't trade the Sun Bowl with the Big XII (but really only X) for the Cactus Bowl in Phoenix or the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio.

I appreciate the time you put into that response, sincerely. But, I don't see any reasonable explanation for the main point I'm making -- SC and Michigan (8-4 teams) are playing in a Jan 1 bowl, while we are 9-3 and playing on Dec 28 at 5:15 ET. I still don't "get" that. If that's really the best bowl game the ACC #2 selected team (after the final four) can get, it just feels like a raw deal for ACC teams who have had a really solid season.

Okay, I'm letting it go now. In 3....2....

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There are only two bowls are January 1 not part of the NY6.

It just so happens that the Outback Bowl made a deal with two conferences who each have three teams in the NY6, which then dilutes the pool that the other bowls have to choose from. When a conference has three teams with double digit win totals, that's going to push the records of the other teams down.

They have a "Tier system" (which is quite convoluted) but from my understanding:

The Camping World Bowl has "moved up in the world" and would generally be considered the "best" non-New Years Day bowl bid the ACC has.

There are a Tier of 4 below this, only 2 of which (Tax Slayer in Jax, and Belk) have any appeal whatsoever.

FWIW the Sun Bowl really needs to be foisted onto the Big12....No ACC fanbase is heading to El Paso in December.

Appreciate it.

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I think the Music City Bowl in Tier 1 is also appealing. Nashville is a cool destination for traveling fans, and like the other two, matches you up with an SEC team. Agreed that Sun is just a bad destination for any ACC team.

Unfortunately, Music City isn't an ACC Bowl anymore. Think its SEC vs. Big12 now...otherwise, would agree with you.

Current ACC "arrangement" is here: http://theacc.com/sports/2017/8/28/FB_0828173607.aspx

Corrected as per below....Even with the Diagram, still can't figure this out. That being said, even living in FLA, would choose Nashville>>>>>Jax...

We get either the Taxslayer or Music City in a given year. Each bowl gets an ACC team 3 out of 6 years in the current deal.

I have no problems with the Pinstripe Bowl. The only bowl I don't like in our line up is the Sun Bowl.

We already had the discussion in the other bowl topic back in the summer when I first posted it, and there's maybe only 2 "better" bowls that the ACC can get involved with that would actually make sense for us.

Yep, I'm familiar with the Music City Bowl - check my username :-) I was there in 1998 when we waxed Alabama, 38-6 or something like that. That was fun, since I'm one of the relatively few Hokies living in Nashville. And I remember that stadium was nearly full of Bama fans.

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I mean, they clearly aren't the same tier of bowl anymore. We played Rutgers and now we are playing 9-3 OKST, much bigger difference.

Also, prestige in bowls are all perception. None of of them have any real prestige except for the older bowls or playoff tie-ins.

We could play OKST in the Aunt Jemima Syrup Bowl in Montgomery County, Kentucky and it would be basically the same as this bowl. It's all about the matchup.

There would be better bourbon in Montgomery County, KY.

They stepped up with a bigger payout than the tier 1 bowls to get better teams and standing in the bowl order. that is how the bowl games are sorter - not by name or destination -$$$

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Fuck the Sun Bowl.

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I read this as "Suck the Fun Bowl," which turns out to be a decent description of it!

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Well I wish those running the ACC would've said "El Paso? Gross" and made it a Tier 2 bowl instead. It's not a reward for a team or fans. Also just embarrassing top conference bowl to be tied to.

What do you mean "horrible game against Rutgers? That game was AWESOME!

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Leonard. Duh.

Except #12 UCF and disgruntled #7 Auburn play @ 12:30 Jan. 1. So Michigan vs USCe takes a back seat. The ACC's bowl tie-ins seemingly exchanged night-preference for better quality opponents, as the ACC owns the afternoons of the 27th, 28th, 29th, and the Orange compensates on the 30th. Get a team in the playoff (Clemson) and get prime-time on the 1st too.

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Its actually pretty sweet that we have someone playing every day during that period.

TBH, this to me is a great matchup and something I am super excited to watch.

Top level offense vs. Top level defense.

Someone we don't play pretty much ever.

Big enough name so we win it's a nice bump, we lose and everyone says.... ehhh bowl season is wacky.

Plus, and maybe it's a mid 90's hokie thing but... we ain't scared to play anyone. They are the best offense, then bring it. Our D fears nothing or no-one.

Bud Foster is made of hokie stone!

I agree. OK State was pretty highly ranked for a while. It's an interesting matchup so it will get some eyes from that alone. If we win, everyone goes wow Tech is really on the rise. Lose and everybody shrugs and says ok state was legit. I think we have a decent shot.

Plus, Orlando is a great destination.

"HEY VT, the gold jacket's yours, Okie's gonna choke."

Pretty much how I feel about the game.....

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Way too many Debbie Downers right now. Have some faith TKPers.

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Well ESPN's FPI gives us a 45.7% chance of winning. Good thing they're always accurate... /s

I think the match up is interesting. I'm mostly disappointed that it is a 5:15 kickoff on a Thursday. I'll have to bust ass to get home in time to see it and having to work the next day is not ideal.

45.7% sounds fair to me. Based on the comments on here you'd think it's 4.57%

Heck yea, I know that our offense hasn't put up big numbers this year and their offense is explosive, but sheesh, these people are acting defeated when the game is over three weeks away. Let's have a little faith in our offense to get ready for the game, and then we have Bud and we know what he's capable of when he has time to prepare. "Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."

Touchdown Tech!!

This game could go either way in my book. I will say that I trust our defense against a fantastic offense more than I'd trust the offense against a top 5 defense. I think this is going to be a fun one to watch.

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Beyond the obvious match up everyone is watching for Rudolph and Washington (who lead the Big XII in Passing and receiving yards respectively) vs our secondary, is their running back Justice Hill. He leads the Big XII in rushing and from the 9 games I've watched he seems like he'll be trouble.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

running back Justice Hill

Dude sounds like he was named after a made for TV movie.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

After a long day on the gridiron racking up yards, Justice Hill switches positions to enforce safety on the streets in "Justice Out of Bounds."

Justice is served on this Hill

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Boom we got ourselves a pilot.

Coming this fall to ABC...he's a cop who doesn't play by the rules.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Or take time outs!

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

he seems like he'll be trouble

Edmunds, Motuapoaka, Settle, Walker, Hill, and Gaines would like a word...

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Yeah I expect them to show up, my point is it can't be over looked that we're going up against statistically best Passer WR combo in the Big XII and there is all this talk about the air raid meanwhile they have a sneaky good back that can gash you for chunks of yards and be a home run threat.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Agreed, my point is also that we have a BUNCH of players that are ready for the run. We got that covered in my mind.

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Yeah maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I just keep thinking about that gashing run Homer had against us at the rock. Again I think that we have both agreed we have the guys for it and have reasons to feel confident, but I'm not gonna discount the guy and say we are facing a one dimensional team from the jump.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Agreed, OSU to get some Foster Care!!

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Another item in our favor on defense, is that not only are we a good defense, we are a different defense. The way our D-line plays (slants, forces, spills, etc.), is different than probably every defense they have faced this year. Our D-line play is counter-intuitive, which is why you typically don't see freshman starters. This also can confuse o-line blocking scheme as they never play against something like it. I also trust Bud to throw in a coverage wrinkle for the secondary to protect our younger players due to all the injuries.

Hokies will win the TOP due to our running game building on the excellent effort from the UVA game. And everyone knows that if you win TOP, you win the game. Hokies by 10.

O & M tinted glasses off, this game does scare me a bit. Whenever we play the smart, very good passers in bowl games, we tend to do poorly. Bud's defense is based on the expectation that college QB's are very poor under pressure and cannot make hard throws consistent enough to win the game. I think Rudolph is a very good QB, but he is no Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck. Hokies trail entire game, but keep it close until we score late in the 4th to win it.

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Okie St is gonna be surprised when we roll out the triple option on them.

I don't see this matchup as being that much different to the UVA matchup (with the exception that OSU is a much better team). I think if we can find a way to run the football and churn out first downs, thus limiting the amount of possessions they have, our D will hold up.

Should be a fun game to watch!

Is it football season yet?

Put the big uglies in and run the ball down their throats. Play action pass off the run, and trust your defense to keep you close. It's not like you are playing Alabama 's defense.

We are already 1-0 against the Big 12 this year. Time to move to 2-0. The Pokies OL hasn't seen anything like the 4-8 defense coming for them this year.

I love the term 4-8 defense. It implies we have 12 players on the field, and really Settle and Walker play like a player and half each.

I was sitting here questioning my math skills. 4 + 8 = 12. Hmmm 🤔

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Big Tim had a tweet after the Pitt game with #first48, which I thought was really clever.

My wife is an OkState alum, so this is going to be just the best! She has already told me that we won't be speaking for at least a week after...

But, that being the case, I have watched almost every game they have played this year. Happy to answer questions about their team/fan base/traditions/who to follow on twitter (pistolsguy is my favorite).

In my opinion, they are definitely beatable, As with any high powered offense, when forced to be one dimensional they really struggle. In my opinion we will need to limit their run game first and hope to not get called for PI on those sick Rudolph deep balls.

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GOOD CALL!!! Also a great game to wear all your maroon so the stadium looks mostly VT

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My added incentive comes from my brother, who is the biggest fair weather fan out there. Cant blame him because he went to KState and lives in Bangor Maine.

Midway through this season he switched allegiance from the Big10 to the Big12, and has been gushing about their prowess.

Let's kick butt Hokies!

Make them one dimensional and keep our defense off of the field!

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there comes a point when Ok State won't be able to throw it over our heads once they are in the redzone, they are going to get alot of total yards but if we don't give up the big play it'll be hard for them to score

UVA lost to richmond

For people with some time to spare definitely recommend watching Kansas State vs Ok State. Kansas State QB is in his 2nd career start and has one heck of a game. OK State D does not scare me one bit and gets pummeled by KState rushing attack for 217 yards while also giving up 204 through the air.

Have to think if VT can get 200 + 200 we will absolutely win this game as I feel like our D will come up with two or three turnovers.

OK State goes at a blistering pace , however with weeks to prep have a feeling Bud will do work. Maybe we go with 3 down linemen (settle, walker & hill) and get as many dbs on the field as possible. French/others might be able to share if we've gone that route before?

We will definitely be seeing 3 down linemen from time to time, for a different look and to give the tackles a bit of a rest. Gaines and Hill with a rotation of Settle and Walker. I think we will be running our base set primarily with all 4 D-linemen. The plays with only 3 will be used to rest Settle and Walker primarily. I also think we will mostly rush only 4 guys when we have Hill, Gaines, Walker and Settle in.

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-CFB

Since we had a couple of guys preemptively bow out of their bowl games last year (McCaffrey and Fournette?), maybe this is a good time to recommend that to Rudolph and Washington?

4-8 coming at ya....or nah?

I'm excited about this. I'm seeing a lot of concerned TKPers, but I say we all just hold our horses and wait for Ffrench (sp check please) to drop some knowledge.

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1-0 every week

We win a nailbiter 31-24

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

This sounds familiar.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

The more I think about it, the more I like this matchup. OSU's offense is ELITE but a lot of their numbers came against lesser teams. Also if you look at their scorelines every time they played a bowl team the game was within one or two possessions. If we don't shoot ourselves in the foot this could be a big win!

This is arguably the most interesting non-NY6 bowl game. A lot of the media is talking about it. This is a great opportunity for our team to play in the national spotlight.

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Three weeks to game plan and practice...I give us a better chance than if we didn't have that.

If the team stays disciplined and comes into the game with the heart to win it, I think they can pull it off.

Question: is anyone else besides me annoyed that LOLUVA's bowl is sharing the same day as ours?

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No.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

No. It will be nice to get tuned up for our game and watch the sacrificial lamb head out to slaughter.

Imagine that letter, you get to play Navy in the Military Bowl in Annapolis. It's like being scheduled for another team's homecoming game right?

"Don't go to, go through"

It's sort of funny to see Navy play in it's own stadium in a bowl.

On one hand, you get your home crowd, but on the other, it's like watching a home game.

Oh please. I would love to see a Gobbler Bowl played in Lane Stadium every December, and I would absolutely drive up to see it if we ever got to play in it. That would be so much fun.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I always find it sad and a bad idea to pretty much always have Navy in that bowl. It's like a friendly pat in the head, here's your "bowl game". They should hate not being able to travel somewhere and play a fun neutral site game as the reward for a good (enough) season.

Not really, other than I'd like our game to be on New Year's Eve (or Day).

I'm only annoyed in that I can't go anywhere to watch our game and not run into Hoos watching their game. It may also mean they stick around to cheer on OK State. So, yeah, I'm not going anywhere...

Given yet another shutout victory, I don't understand this comment. Shouldn't it be Hoo fans who feel this way about running into us?

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

If you lived in Charlottesville, you might understand. They are so annoying, and they'll be hyped because of their bowl game. I have never been able to watch a Hokie game at a restaurant in town and not have Hoos snobbery and pretentiousness crammed down my throat. Even when we win games, having every incomplete pass, sack, or otherwise negative play hooted, hollered, or hearing "YOU SUCK" screamed at you, is not a pleasant experience.

Honestly, the most grief I get is someone trying to rib me about wearing my VT hat or sweatshirt. I simply respond by noting that we hold a long-term lease on their stadium. If they're falling back to basketball, it's easy to point out that we split our series last year. If they want to talk baseball, I know they're getting desperate, so I just chuckle and walk away.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I used to watch games at timberwood grill up near hollymeade. Is that still around? Owner was a Hokie if I remember correctly.

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Yeah, it's just on the north side of town. It's probably the locations I've gone (BW3, Wild Wing Café).

Nope, but I'm invested in cheering for Navy (Happy Beat Army week). It's also a bonus as a little appetizer before our game.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

It annoys me twofold: 1) they are unworthy to have their bowl game on the same day or after ours & 2) having a bowl game the day before the Belk Bowl instead of on or after feels like a step back to me (even though it's not).

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Me, Brad, and Caleb have a group chat going and Caleb said that he too is annoyed about this because he "doesn't want to share anything with UVA". So yes.

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Only if it runs long.

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Stewart Mandel over at the All-American (behind paywall) has ranked our bowl game matchup the top one outside of the NY6 and obviously the Cotton.

8. Camping World (Dec. 28): Oklahoma State (9-3) vs. Virginia Tech (9-3). It's the last dance for Oklahoma State's prolific passing tandem of Mason Rudolph and James Washington. And they'll do it, interestingly enough, against a Hokies D allowing an FBS-low 46.9 opposing completion percentage.

It is definitely and intriguing match up and it's always good for the program to be talked about positively.
Cotton bowl is part of the NY6. So out of curiosity, what other bowl is above us?

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Wow, consider me confused. I knew Cotton was part of NY6 last year, but just assumed it was in some sort of rotation when I saw that it was on DECEMBER 29th!

The other game is a game not in the NY6, but played on NEW YEARS!!! Citrus (ND-LSU)

I like the macthup, just because it should be fun to watch. But honestly, the Pokes matchup really well from a statistical POV. Their Offense vs our defense is strength vs strength, and it's likely our depth issues could become problematic. Their defense is atrocious against the pass, pretty good against the run, and average in points. If the Big12 play is effecting those stats to make them look better against the run and worse against the pass than they actually are, we could surprise them. If the stats are reflective of reality, we're probably in trouble.

We do hold the clear advantage in Special Teams Efficiency however. How clear? 4th vs 130th, thats dead last. So I hope Coaches Fu & Shibest are slavering at that. Beamerball 'bout to go off.

“I remember Lee Corso's car didn't get out of the parking lot.” -cFB

Our bowl is ranked 7th overall here:

39 Bowls

And @ #5

5. Orange Bowl -- No. 6 Wisconsin vs. No. 10 Miami -- Dec. 30, 8 p.m.: I'm not sure what's going to happen here, but I would take the under. These are two evenly matched teams on both offense and defense, so I expect a close, lower-scoring affair. But not the boring kind. Also, Wisconsin needs to create a turnover cheese curd before this game starts.

Where is Lawson?!

Also, Wisconsin needs to create a turnover cheese curd before this game starts.

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You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

fun tidbit for the game:

Cam fell just shy of hitting 1000 yards last year. If we can get him 36 yards, he'll be only the third hokie receiver to officially hit 1000 yards in a season (after Isaiah Ford, and Isaiah Ford).

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Thanks for posting this. I forgot to check after the UVA game -- I expected Cam to go over 1,000 by the end of the day. I hope he gets it during the bowl game.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Looks like we may be without Cam for the bowl game.

I can see that but pretty heavy line to drop.

Where is Lawson?!

Uh, what?

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Dafuq? How do you post that with no explanation or #sauces and then just say nevermind?

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

No, it's legit. I edited my follow up post to 'no message,' not 'nevermind.' I can understand the confusion.

#Sauces?

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

*ahem*

Key numbers that suggest vulnerability: they gave up 40 to Kansas State and only scored 13 on Texas.

Texas has what I think is undoubtedly the best defense in the Big 12. Better than ours? Probably not. Also Kansas State runs a less high powered offense than the other B12 teams, maybe the most similar to ours in the league, if they can score 40 we can probably get pretty close.

Texas has what I think is undoubtedly the best defense in the Big 12.

I'm interested in why you think that, most indicators say that TCU is the best. The S&P+ has the Hokies 6th, TCU 14th, and TheRealUT ranked as 26th.

Everyone loves to say the B12 defenses are shite, but the reality is they are defending against a variation of the smashmouth spread offense every week... and they have all moved to the dime as their normal pakage. The dime seems to give up yardage in an attempt to stop the BIG play. The dime trades a big ugly for another defender in the backfield.

Our D may be ranked better, but I fully expect to see Bud employ his variation on the dime package in this game. The question is, can he do it as well or better than the B12? I am hopeful that his leverage zone is effective against the pokes.

To me the key will be whether the offense can take advantage of the Pokie defense, and sustain drives. The passing game will have to be effective for our running game to have any chance.

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I have to wonder if we'll see something similar to the bend-but-don't-break we hit WVU with. 600+ total yards but only 24 points given up won us that game, and I think that may be our best strategy again.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Oklahoma State WR James Washington won the Biletnikoff Award last night. I think he'll get 100yds and a TD but I hope we don't allow much more than that.

Texas limited him to 4 rec, 32 yds, 0 TDs. Was he injured in that game? He had a similarly bad stat line for the Iowa State game but was coming off a 2nd half injury from the week before.