Virginia Tech vs East Carolina Football Game Saturday is Canceled

There will be no Virginia Tech football this weekend.

Citing safety concerns due to Hurricane Florence, the East Carolina athletics department announced it will not travel to Blacksburg for its upcoming football game against Virginia Tech.

The safety and welfare for everyone in the path of this storm is the University's main priority and decisions regarding athletics events are made in the best interest of ensuring the safety of student-athletes, coaches, staff and their families. In fact, all ECU athletics teams are prohibited from traveling for competition purposes this weekend. This is also consistent with the NCAA's requirement that member institutions protect the health of and provide a safe environment for student-athletes.

It is ECU's hope the game can be rescheduled at a later date this season.

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This article lead photo makes me uncomfortable.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I don't know who, or what, that is but it always disturbs me.

I feel sorry for her husband, he looks like a nice guy.

They're perfect for one another, neither one has eye whites.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

It is ECU's hope the game can be rescheduled at a later date this season.

Ha ha ha

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Get your hot dogs and smores as you read down this thread gents, flames: they are a-comin'....

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Jesus Hubert Christ, Jr.
I should've listened. I didn't listen.
I regret scrolling.

Having the win would be nice for the ranking and bowl selection. It stinks we went down in the ranking after the beat-down on W&M, yet when SEC teams beat up an FCS school, they move up... go figure. We need all the "W"s we can secure.

I hope this will be a good week of recovery from injuries and build on the offense. GO HOKIES

The bowls literally don't care whether we played ECU or not, unless we lost the game. Also, a win vs. ECU isn't going to move the needle for the voters either.

The game does not matter in the slightest, aside from the revenue it would have generated.

Will it get rescheduled? I sold these ECU tickets via Stubhub, I want to keep my money. Also, i want to see the beatdown of ECU

Doubtful

@CraigThompsonVT

Isn't it Stubhub's responsibility to refund the buyer? You shouldn't be expected to give any money back. That should be what those ridiculous fees are for.

I would love it if this were true, but sadly, per Stubhub policy:

"If the Seller has already been paid, the payment for the sale may be recovered by charging the Seller's Payment Method or by setting off this amount against pending payments for other Tickets the Seller has sold or will sell in the future."

So if it is officially rescheduled, even if its 3am on a Tuesday morning, we sellers don't have to refund. Which is awesome since I sold these tickets at a loss.

If the game is cancelled, what will the university do is unknown to me at this point. I bought season tickets, do I get their face value back? Does VT just say tough shit, thanks for your money? Surely season ticket holders are treated better than that, although cancelled VT home games are a rarity. Their official email says:

"TICKET INFO: More details for fans holding tickets to Saturday's football game against East Carolina will be made available once further information is available on whether the game could potentially be rescheduled. As soon as those details are finalized, it will be communicated with all impacted parties"

Hopefully we all get an ass smashing of ECU and get to keep the $$ too

Update 9/12:
I called the VT Athletic Dept asking them if, in the event of a cancellation, would we season ticket holders (and individual game holders) get a refund. He said that decision hasn't been made yet, and obviously would be the last resort since they would want to pursue a reschedule first. He said that when that decision is made, it will be communicated out. So just check your emails/tweets I guess

If the game is cancelled, what will the university do is unknown to me at this point. I bought season tickets, do I get their face value back? Does VT just say tough shit, thanks for your money? Surely season ticket holders are treated better than that, although cancelled VT home games are a rarity

we call this DRIVE FOR 25

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

But as this is 2018, would that face value be counted as an additional donation for 2018 or for the next year?

Did people pay face value?

By that, I mean do the face values add up to the season ticket cost?

Yes

Even if they didn't, I would expect to get the same proportion back. For example, if the face value is $60 and the total face value of all home game is $420, I would expect to get 1/7 of what I paid for the season tickets back as a refund.

So can I buy your Notre Dame tickets?

/s

I don't think what you're saying is unreasonable, though.

Lol, if I had Notre Dame tickets I might sell them to you, but only because it wouldn't be worth the cost of a cross-country flight for that game. I can only afford one such flight this fall, and since I can combine a Thanksgiving trip with both the Miami and UVA games that is definitely the winner.

Getting face value or 1/7th back would be a nice gesture, but for a lot of tickets the implied "cost" is much more than face value. That's the rub with that annual donation amount directly to the seat location access.

@hokie_rd

Yes, but that donation amount doesn't depend on the number of games. Whatever it was this year with 7 home games, I guarantee that next year it'll be the same or higher even though there are only 6 games. And regardless, it's a "donation", and the whole idea is that you're not supposed to think of it as an additional cost for tickets, but rather as a gesture to help out the athletics department.

I called the VT Athletic Dept asking them if, in the event of a cancellation, would we season ticket holders (and individual game holders) get a refund. He said that decision hasn't been made yet

Call them back and offer that if they cancel the rest of the ECU series they can keep the money!

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

Only if:

a. Georgia Tech, the ACC and ESPN agree to move our Thursday night game to Saturday so we can play ECU the week before OR

b. we don't make it to the ACC Championship game and need to win the game to make bowl eligibility

Also, I'm very disappointed that your post comes across as you only want this game to go on so you can keep money for tickets you sold, especially after down voting EPW in Henry's thread for being the right call. Much as I feel like I should down vote this post, I won't and will throw an up vote to this post if someone else does down vote it.

I came here to point out option a, but seem like you win.

ECU has a conference game that Saturday against UCF. Only way this game gets made up is if we don't make the ACCCG.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

As has been stated before, it would be more likely to move the GT game to the Saturday before, since we both have a BYE week, since ECU has an opening on the Saturday after.

That said, I would much rather have only 11 games and keep the extra time to prepare for GT.

Oh God. That's the worst idea since Highlander 2.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

That's the worst idea since Highlander 2.

How dare you

To be frank, the show was better than the movies

That's the one that never happened, right? Where they skipped straight to part 3?

/s

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

There's a "renegade cut" that's technically canon. They remove all references to the planet Zeist and any mention of the immortals being aliens. But it's better just to pretend it doesn't exist.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

What doesn't exist?

I see no reason to make it up. I think this happened the Florida state last year, and it looked like they would need the game to become bowl eligible. But in the end they were going to get a waiver and not have to make up the game and become bowl eligible anyway. I'd much rather have the time to prepare for Georgia Tech.

The reasonable best case scenario for the regular season is finishing with one loss and a spot in the ACC championship game. Finally beating Georgia Tech is essential this year.

Tai:

Also, I'm very disappointed that your post comes across as you only want this game to go on so you can keep money for tickets you sold, especially after down voting EPW in Henry's thread for being the right call. Much as I feel like I should down vote this post, I won't and will throw an up vote to this post if someone else does down vote it.

Oh like I give a shit if you are 'very disappointed', what are you my parents? God forbid that I want to keep the recouped losses on these tickets that I sold at below face value. Profit and loss and magnets, how do they work?

You can keep your upvotes, not interested in them.

You can keep your upvotes, not interested in them.

Bud/Wiles 2020

Yeah, good luck on rescheduling the game, ECU.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I understand their reasoning, however I agree that Tech should've had some weight in the decision.

From a football standpoint - Is this good because it effectively gives us two bye weeks and lets everyone heal up, or bad because it would've been good in-game experience for some of the younger guys?

With the new redshirt rules that players can play in up to four games and still maintain their redshirt, this likely hurts development because it may limit a chance many of those guys had to play. See Miami vs Savannah St this last weekend where they played every scholarship player on the roster that wasn't injured.

I think it is probably a lose-lose. 1) Tech loses out on the revenue that would be generated from the game (3 million?), it will be interesting to see if we no longer have to play one of our away games their in the coming seasons (I have no idea how these contracts work). 2)I think that any opportunity to get a team this young experience is a great thing.

Any scenario where we are not playing ECU, by default, cannot be a lose-lose.


Touché

How do they lose revenue? A good number of seats were sold as season tickets, right? They're not really separable, right?

Does anyone know how this works?

How do they lose revenue? Is this a serious question?

I would assume like every other sports entity that relies on parking, concession, and merchandise sales for a limited number of home games.

Let alone the local economic impact of canceled hotel reservations, restaurant and bar revenue, etc.

Plus, I'd expect them to refund the face value of each ticket, which is probably over $3 million.

Yes, it's a serious question. I was wondering if they give refunds for a game that's cancelled due to a weather event.

But I guess it's obvious to some people that not giving a refund isn't within the realm of possiblity. Probably someone who has never had to book a hotel at their own expense after they got stranded overnight at an airport due to a weather event, and ended up paying for two hotels. Or someone who has never had tickets to an event that got cancelled due to weather and didn't get a refund.

I get the impact on the local economy. Wasn't what I asked.

So maybe next time, cut your fellow Hokie some slack.

I did manage to find a clear answer here. UNC is automatically giving refunds. I don't see why VT wouldn't do the same.

i mean for one VT didn't cancel it.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

In the NFL, the money goes towards a game next season. You never see the money back. I'm talking about paying for postseason games though.

What's
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Now

I would think that this is also true of games included in the season tickets.

A little disappointing given the most recent weather outlooks in Blacksburg. Would have liked another game for our young guys.

You DO realize, don't you, that this is likely to be a direct hit on the NC coast, not all that far from Greenville? And they're in a zone that's got a better than 70% chance of tropical-storm level wind (39-73 mph), which is, as they say, not nothing?

Blacksburg might be fine, and maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. But these projections are not being done by Fred Chucklebert, "channel 87's award-winning weatherman/public interest story guy." This is going to have real impact on a large part of eastern Carolina, and - God help me for saying this - it's only a college football game.

There is no reason they can not head to Blacksburg tomorrow and indications are that they will be able to leave Blacksburg for Florida on Sunday (worst case scenario they have to wait in Blacksburg to go to Florida on Monday or Tuesday). The ECU team is going to be in hotels through their trip to Florida no matter what at this point.

'No reason,' other than maybe some sense of perspective. Look, there are already places in both states that have mando-evacs in effect. My former work center, which is a DoD facility, so it's not an un-serious workplace, is sending people home at noon tomorrow for the rest of the week. I know I sound like I'm clutching my pearls pretty hard over this, but people need to be getting prepared for something fairly serious*, as opposed to worrying about their tailgate, or whatever. Especially for a game NO ONE wanted to see played ever again, much less in 2018.

*Potentially serious. There are places projected to get 20-30 inches of rain.

EDITED TO ADD: Also, that graphic is showing a more southern landfall than what is current now - it's showing a landfall north of Wilmington.

The graphic is from the latest run of the Euro and is for midday Saturday. This is the latest and most accurate info to use in decision making this afternoon.

I can vouch with/for HokieUmp...

I'm a DoD'er in Atlanta and we're tracking this and all DoD facilities in the storm's range and the response is "get the hell out, now" for those sites, so...

As much as big time college football is $$$ and we wanna see ECU get ass-slapped it's still a learning institution and kids, and imminent destruction takes precedence no matter ECU's (AD's strategic) angle.

Rest the boys up, do some extra coaching -maybe a simulated game to stay sharp. But on to Old Dominion.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

There is no reason they can not head to Blacksburg tomorrow

From your perspective. Many of those college athletes have families in the direct path of this storm and that is of much greater consequence than this football game. Bailing out on the game gives them the chance to go home and help their families.

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#extendbronco

I have not and will not argue that this is not a very dangerous situation in coastal carolina. This is a serious situation for those unable to flee the area threatened by the storm. The issue is that Blacksburg does not appear to be an unsafe place to be this weekend.

Also, there is no logic to thinking that these players are being given the option to care or family members in the path of the storm if they are actually heading to Florida.

So these kids from ECU will be boarding a plane or bus and heading to South Florida for the game on the 22nd...and that will be happening tonight or tomorrow? All the coaches and support staff are doing the same? ECU is putting them all up at the Sheraton in South Florida for the next 12 days?
These kids might not be filling sand bags on Friday at their homes...but are we sure? How about the ECU equipment manager or the assistant strength and conditioning coach? Those folks all leaving their families and heading to South Florida for the next 12 days? Kids from VT have families in the coastal areas of NC and SC as well.

It's not time to play football for anyone living, training, studying or working in the path of this hurricane. Let's talk about hatin' on the coach at ODU. Who the hell is that anyway?

JP

Bailing out on the game gives them the chance to go home and help their families.

But that's not what they're doing at all.

Do we all not see this?!

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

But the team is just going to Florida instead so that falls flat

Recruit Prosim

I DO realize this was an overly aggressive response to me saying something was disappointing.

I stand by my statement. If the team is good enough to travel to Florida tomorrow for a game, I will say it's disappointing this game isn't happening.

I will acknowledge your disappointment, as I share it. It means I have to find something else to do for four hours on Saturday, and I was actually going to be able to watch it on a proper TV, versus using WatchESPN. (Inexplicably, the Hokies are NOT a must-see in San Antonio!) Not to mention the chance for playing time for the younger guys, etc. It's certainly not optimal.

However, given the wall-to-wall coverage of this, and the amount of data and concern being expressed - even if you try and take some of it with a grain of salt, since the Weather Channel is often melodramatic - I can't offer an unreserved apology. Both states have already declared a state of emergency, some coastal school districts cancelled school as early as today, and things just don't look good. So maybe I'm responding to a specific post based on the number of posts I've seen resisting what's a pretty wise decision.

(Where do you see they're traveling to Florida tomorrow? Seems like all ECU teams are prohibited from traveling.)

Why wouldn't ecu be traveling today? If they are not then that would be criminally irresponsible. There is a mandatory evacuation for that area and somehow you believe they are going to leave the athletic teams behind to fend for themselves.

That's the thing there is NOT a voluntary or mandatory evacuation for Pitt County or the city of Greenville.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

ECU is telling students to evacuate the residence halls and closing the dorms. They are encouraging off campus students to leave. The county or city may not have issued an evacuation, but the school has.

ECU alert

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Yes because feeding and keeping thousands of students safe in a small area like that is hard and when you don't have classes there is no reason to. But to claim there is an evacuation and the team HAD to leave for Florida ignored the reality of the situation.
I'm fine not playing the game, but the reason ECU and others are citing falls flat in the face of facts.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

The school is going to be closed. They have to go somewhere. Why not just send the team and staff together to the next travel destination on the list (Florida) a week early instead of everyone scattering somewhere this week to ride out the hurricane only to turn around and try to arrange or coordinate everyone getting back early or middle of next week navigating potentially damaged infrastructure and communication lines just so they can get everyone back in one place to then go to Florida.

What do you propose they should have done that makes more sense financially and logistically than what they chose to do? Keep in mind that when they made their decision, they thought Blacksburg and the surrounding area would be severely impacted as well.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I would have waited until today to make the decision.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Yeah, seriously.

The three day outlook on these things is a LOT more accurate than the four day outlook.

Of course it's cheaper and easier for them to just go one place instead of two. You can say that on any sunny Saturday as well but how does that have any bearings on safety.

Certainly not $3 million cheaper, which is a conservative estimate of our revenue losses from the cancelled game. If I was Whit, I'd be pissed right now after seeing the new forecast this morning.

I know we all have maroon-tinted glasses to some degree, but I'm frankly a little astounded we're still collectively having this debate. I was going to include other facts, but my main point is that this storm is going to be A Big Deal for a lot of people, somewhere in the Carolinas. And it's a bad look for our athletic department and/or our fanbase to be petulant about it. It's a football game that won't get played.

EDITED TO ADD: And waiting sometimes isn't an option. It takes time to get people out of there - there aren't a ton of big highways in that part of eastern NC. The longer you wait, the higher the chances of having people caught in the middle of it, trying to leave.

This is a debate that's held for every major storm.

Wait too long, you compound problem. Decide too early, you compound the problem.

In this case I agree with the VT administration. East Carolina should have been working with VT to do a joint announcement, and waiting until Wednesday to decide still left plenty of time to evacuate.

The VT administration also need to understand the nuances of public relations, as that's an entirely different game, with it's own set of rules. Once ECU announced, that's what you're working with, and the goal is less a negotiation, and more an attempt at a unified, supportive front.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed


Btw, I wish a different photo was chosen (ie sad purple pirates)

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Nah.

That pic perfectly encapsulates Peak Pirate.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Only open date is the Saturday before the Thursday night Georgia Tech game

Unless they play it after the Conference Championship games

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

ECU has a conference game against UCF on that Saturday.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

As has been stated before, it would be more likely to move the GT game to the Saturday before, since we both have a BYE week, and since ECU has an opening on the Saturday after.

That said, I would much rather have only 11 games and keep the extra time to prepare for GT.

What are you drinking? Cheers!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I very seriously doubt they will move a Thursday night game to a Saturday. Big hit to revenue and exposure on a national stage.

I am also indifferent as to whether or not this game gets played. As long as it doesnt affect our other games I'm fine with rescheduling.

GT moved a Thursday night game last year against Miami to Saturday to allow Miami and FSU to play the week before.

Granted, the biggest difference was that both games were conference games.

With the storm 3 days out and Blacksburg so far inland, this decision was made too early in my opinion. It is still very likely that the game would have been playable on Saturday in Blacksburg. ECU could've traveled early, before the storm, and if they cannot get back to Greenville, they can go straight to Florida for their next game (they're apparently traveling there over a week early ahead of the storm anyway).

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

Weak sauce. These guys are
College students not pro football players. There's more to life than football

Yes there is. But they signed up to play college football because it is what they want to do. All I said was, given how the forecast on these storms can change overnight, I don't understand not waiting one more day and making the decision on Wednesday with VT officials.

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

And there is a lot more to consider than just the players on the field...

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

This is actually ridiculous. There's a category 3/4 hurricane barreling towards NC where many players and staff live along with their families and you guys are actually questioning the decision? Would you be so critical if there was a hurricane barreling towards Virginia and Tech decided to cancel a game at greenville?

When things go rough with the team, you guys say 'it's just kids...they're young' but a HURRICANE is going to directly impact the area where the players and their families live and you decide to get business like and say how it's their job.

SMDH

I think most of us aren't questioning the decision, but ECU pulling a Gilderoy Lockhart and acting they're the hero and the only ones who care about the players and their families.

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I'm actually one of the ones who hates it when the student athletes are referred to as "kids" seeing as they are actually legal adults.

But the ECU team and staff are going to Florida and preparing for the next game. I'm not mad at the decision, as it is very likely the correct one on their part. I don't like how it appears they handled it. Could've easily and safely waited until today to make the call. Probably wouldn't have changed the decision.

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

Decision made too early, there's no room to reschedule this without putting us in an unnecessarily difficult position.

Then let's just not reschedule it. This game doesn't matter. It's not worth playing 10 straight Saturdays.

And if we somehow end up needing this game for bowl eligibility, I'd much rather not be bowl eligible.

I agree completely we shouldn't reschedule. I'm just saying they canceled too quickly.

No I know I was just adding on. I think this is a good thing. As long as it doesn't get rescheduled.

Agree, but how do the contracts on this work. This was ECU backing out early. I guess we don't ahve to pay them for the game, but we also lose revenue from tickets (if they refund) and concessions, etc.

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

From what I've been led to understand, there will be no refunds. Which makes me re-think continuing to hold season tickets.

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The only game I know of that's been canceled was the 2000 lightning game. Refunds for that game were complicated because another organization handled tickets for that game, since it was a "preseason" event.

I would be surprised if there were no refunds from this one, even though the athletics department will take a decent loss on it. I'm sure there's an insurance policy against these kinds of things.

Prolly one of those insurance policies that says in paragraph 312(f)1.17, "unless there's a hurricane or something"

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Sounds like the kind of thing a UNC grad would put in it....

Like they would be able to get through 312 paragraphs of anything

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Actually it is the third paragraph, they aren't any good at maths either.

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#extendbronco

From an institutional perspective, I completely understand ECUs decision. "Bailing" does not seem like an appropriate characterization of the situation. I hope as football fans, we all understand the place that a football game holds in comparison to the safety of human lives.

"Don't go to, go through"

But whose lives are more safe because of this decision? They would be traveling to a place that has much less potential hurricane impact.

But they could have family in the area. I know I wouldn't want to be in Blacksburg if my family and/or my home was on the coast during a hurricane.

Except they aren't staying at ECU or going home to family (from what I can tell). It sounds like their football team is leaving this week (in the next day or two) to go to Florida ahead or their game for next weekend.

True but now they can worry about their family/friends/property/school in peace instead of having to play a football game.

They are college football players. They wont be "at peace" almost ever and even so they still can't help their families.

huh?

A college football players schedule is insane during the Fall. Regardless of whether they were in Greenville or not, they wont be able to help much.

Sending them home to their families in the path of the hurricane is actually the much more unsafe option

Recruit Prosim

They're not going to be in the area anyway. They're travelling to Florida instead of travelling to Blacksburg. How is that any different? Other than them not playing a game and getting an extra week to prep for a conference opponent. Hmmmm....

Is there even a way that they could reschedule this? I doubt Whit/Fu would want to mess up the extra time to prepare for an in conference game. Hopefully one less game doesn't affect our opportunity to make the CFP. Granted we have to go undefeated and make it to that point. Clearly I'm getting ahead of myself.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Nah that's a moonwalking horse. You livin in 3018 we all stuck in 2018

East Car'lina... Is not my rival

It's just some school who thinks that I'm number 1...

This series is no damn fun

3018, you know, when we're still scheduled to play ECU.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Ugh. Take yer dam leg.

...in a strange turn, we now have to play them next week.

We put the K in Kwality

I seem to remember playing a&m through Isabel at lane in03 just fine.

Isabel was a different can of worms. Also, ECU has travel concerns -- not only getting here, but finding a place to stay after the game and before they head to Orlando to play UCF and then actually getting to Orlando.

This is the right call on their part and not entirely unexpected.

I don't disagree, living in Charleston I get having to make the travel decisions.

I would agree IF they weren't travelling to Orlando right now.

Might as well cancel the rest of the series while we're at it...

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

That was my first reaction as well

If Whit can use this to cancel the series, I will forward my next two paychecks straight to the Hokie Club.

Oh please make both of these happen.

If you want to forward those two checks (endorsed, of course), I would be glad to hold them for you. ;>)

Just make the checks out to: Citizens Against Suspect Hurricanes, or "C.A.S.H.", for short.

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If I'm Whit Babcock I'm arguing that ECU breached the contract and terminating the rest of the series. (Even though whichever P5 flotsam they find to replace ECU would likely be just as annoying and mediocre.)

Not worth the bad press we'll take for using a natural disaster to get out of a series of football games.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

ECU's using a natural disaster to get out of a beating. Turnabout is fair play.

(Sarcasm. Mostly. I think if ECU were really good they'd find a way to make the trip.)

This is what irks me. It feels like they are gaming the situation because they know they will look like the victim

Recruit Prosim

YUP. They still got the return game next up on the schedule, so they're going to get theirs, and they see a way to get out of a stomping in such a fashion that if we ever try to do anything about it (like modify the contract/site of future games) we look like shitbags in the court of twitter opinion. It's really a brilliant move. Assholes.

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

playing ECU in perpetuity (not really, but it feels like it) is a natural disaster to our football program

Dittos to this idea

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
Rockin the Bakken.

The contract says the party that backs out of a game owes the other one $500k. Unfortunately, this isn't grounds for voiding the contract.

Unless they violated the process spelled out in the cancellation clause, which I'm assuming starte states the proper procedure for cancellinga game like this.

Obviously we don't know how it's worded, and we don't know what happened behind the scenes, but from what is public it seems likea possibility.

Well, it'll certainly be harder to achieve a "10-win season"

There's a lot more to this decision than what the weather in Blacksburg will be like on Saturday, people. How the hell can you expect the players and coaches to focus on a game when their families and friends and community may be dealing with severe flooding and storm damage? I wouldn't be able to. It's perfectly reasonable for one school to call a game off regardless of who is hosting. I do not agree with Teel that this should have solely been Tech's decision.

I understand your argument, but I'll be focused on working at my job despite having family and friends on the coast and living in the triad. I bet if it were up to the ECU players, they would choose to play.

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don't kid yourself
they'll be focusing on football preparing for their usf game
that is what their breach of contract is all about, not safety
no safer in florida than in blacksburg, but it is ecu-advantageous
good business/football decision for ecu. cowardly way to do it
make 'em pay

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So you would rather let the players loose to go home to those flood areas?

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So does this mean we can cancel the rest of the series? I mean there might be storm coming every year for the next 20 years, too.

Being a native Floridian and seeing storms never hit where they're supposed to I would have at least waited a day!

"Roll Tyrod"

I love this (other than no VT football this weekend).

Inconsequential game removed to provide Ricky Walker and others more time to get healthy leading into the ACC schedule and we still have ODU to develop chemistry and consistency.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

Pickle, I agree. Up in this thread they were talking about experience for the young guys, etc...I think health trumps that. This is one more week of rest, time to get healthy, then back to work. Another week for MIhota, Walker, two of our most important guys, to get better.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Why do some people suddenly want to play ECU?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Because mah rankins.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

They kind of suck now. This isn't your older brother's ECU

Because we get a limited number of times to watch Tech football per year?

Because fans are vested in the VT football program (emotionally and financially) and games are the return.

Because people own businesses that depend on game day in Blacksburg for a major portion of their revenues (lucky I am not in this category but have numerous friends who are).

Cuz I want a good excuse to drag my ass out of bed saturday morning after watching a bunch of EPL and start drinking at 10am mountain time.

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Why do some people suddenly not want to play football?

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Because this is a great time to develop depth and practical experience for our second and third string players after the first string destroy ECU in the first half.

Just a hypothetical.... but I bet IF we lost this game, some people would have much preferred a cancelled game.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Someone really smart pointed this out, above:

"They kind of suck now. This isn't your older brother's ECU"

There goes the uniterrupted 1000 year series...

I would just like to point out that the only way for the 5th fuller to be correct in his wins prediction now is for us to move the GT game up 5 days. In hindsight that was a bolder prediction that anyone knew.

Couldn't the 5th Fuller claim "divine intervention" ... or should it be "divine interception" because that is what they commonly did?

When do we get the Hurricane Florence Foerensics???

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Floerensics?

Maybe we can use this to make next years ECU game in Blacksburg

I'd rather just cancel the last scheduled game in Greenville.

Their excuse in the excerpt above is:

"In fact, all ECU athletics teams are prohibited from traveling for competition purposes this weekend. This is also consistent with the NCAA's requirement that member institutions protect the health of and provide a safe environment for student-athletes."

Yet, they are traveling to Florida early (which in itself is a direct result of competition purpose as they play there next week). Yes they aren't playing but they wouldn't be traveling to Florida this weekend if it wasn't competition related.

Unless you think our goal for 2018 is bowl eligibility (it's not), there is absolutely no reason to reschedule this game.

If our goal is to win the Coastal, throwing a nonconference game into the conference schedule (right before a pivotal game against GT) is only going to hurt our chances.

If our goal is to win the ACC and go to the CFP, beating ECU and going 12-0 is no different from not playing ECU and going 11-0.

We've been saying for years that playing ECU can only hurt us. Unimpressive if we win, devastating if we lose. Now we're getting what we wanted. Embrace it.

To that same point, losing a regular season game and beating Clemson to go 12-1 is the same as doing the same but at 11-1. Neither is any more or less likely to earn a playoff spot.

One more reason to hate ECU......its in Pitt County, North Carolina. Now it all makes sense.

Not to be a negative Nancy, but depending on how strong this thing is, seems plausible that ODUs campus could be out of commission next week as well. Hopefully not.

This is all just a conspiracy to get HOAT to donate to the Hokie Club.

Underrated comment.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I've been in Whit's crosshairs for years.

Oh yeah? Then why do they play video of you every football game, huh? Boom.

This post is made in jest

He likes to keep an eye on me.

if only there were a way we could use this as a reason to never play them again...seriously though it's the right thing for ECU to do considering Greenville is about to get slammed.

Except they are leaving Greenville for Orlando tonight.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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And also would have been safe in the mountains of SW Va otherwise

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As a Hokie in North Carolina in the path of this storm, I say good call.

I get VT having a say, but it's just a game and I couldn't care less about making it up.

Stay safe everyone, let's hope it's not as bad as the predictions!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Well I'm certainly not gonna lose any sleep over not playing ECU for the first time since 2012. Also if it's the safe call, it's the right call.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

That $500k should go straight to Foster

Didn't even let them in the building state.

And forced them for a 3 state loss.

Somehow this is being used to publicly drag Babcock on Twitter by the talking heads down here in Raleigh. Apparently saying that we were looking to make a decision that worked for all parties was somehow an affront to the safety and well-being of everyone associated with ECU.

I'm all for cancelling that series, and if we can use this as an excuse so be it.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Because our statement said we'd have preferred to wait another day. Honestly we would have been best served by not saying anything about this.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Pete Moris's Tweet didn't help things.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Yeah, you can't UNTWEET.

Better to give a full-throated apology for that than to call it "failure to purge".

Minimally, he should lose his twitter access, as anyone willing to tweet that doesn't understand the universal rules of twitter.

Just to clarify that was a scheduled tweet he didn't write it and send it at that time.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This would be correct.... Apparently he had it in the queue and forgot to delete it before it posted. Still a bad look and needs to be more aware next time.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

The more I've thought about it, doesn't matter if it was a scheduled tweet. Bad form.

I've thought this all along. Boasting about curb stomping UNC during Hurricane Matthew when a massive, potentially catastrophic storm is bearing down on the east coast is just puerile. It would have been unacceptable even without the ECU cancellation kerfuffle.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I came here to take a quick break and now I'm going to have to look up puerile in addition to reading through comments lol.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Pete Moris has never helped anything.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Somehow?

It's 2018 in the age of Social Media Perpetual Outrage. Intent, context and history have no place here.

Don't really understand what the media in NC is doing, obviously the well being and safety of ECU players, staff, students wasn't what that statement was about. What the media in NC isn't taking into account is

1) to my knowledge Virginia hasn't declared a state of emergency

2) the game isn't being played in Greenville or in NC, where I can understand that emergency personnel are needed to protect life and property and not to direct traffic in and out of a football game.

3) ECU is not coming to Blacksburg because it's unsafe to travel, they are in fact traveling to Florida instead

4) It appears ECU made this decision without consulting VT

5). This absolutely should be a forfeit and a breach of contract. Contracts are made devoid of compassion. That's what makes them contracts.

Northam declared a state of emergency 3 days ago...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

What exactly is "Northam"? Sorry, not trying to be snarky, I really just want to know.

Governor of Virginia. VMI grad. Very Appalachian.

And a Doctor

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Thank you. Didn't realize that was the Governor now, don't follow state politics aside from NC

Regardless or politics, he seems like an actual good dude. Not using the governorship as a stepping stone, just wants to do a good job and do right by the state. He'll have ups and downs and people will have their partisan views all around, but I'd call bullshit if anyone said they wouldn't have a beer with the guy.

Politics aside, the other guy was willing to legalize the good fireworks. Haven't seen that yet out of Northam so he still has some work to do.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Admittedly, I've not been as up on Old Dominion politics as I'd like, but I was totally unaware that any side took a hard stance on fireworks. That is fantastic, and should be part of party platforms moving forward. Along with moonshine.

HightyTighty 2021: Fireworks, moonshine, and no more reckless driving for doing 80.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

no more reckless driving for doing 80

What if it's in a 25 though?

But seriously, eff that law. Going 80 in a 70 is NOT reckless.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

There are very few people I would refuse to have a beer with. For the record, Northam is not one of them.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Probably not a breach of contract. Likely a force majeure clause would prevent it from being a breach.

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Doesnt a force majeure clauses typically spell out the process? I have my doubts that it was followed by ECU based on how this seemed to transpire.

not really, they're typically very generic -- For example:

Force Majeure. A party shall not be liable for any failure of or delay in the performance of this agreement for the period that such failure or delay is

beyond the reasonable control of a party,

materially affects the performance of any of its obligations under this agreement, and

could not reasonably have been foreseen or provided against, but

will not be excused for failure or delay resulting from only general economic conditions or other general market effects

Source

Having said that, since hurricanes are a relatively known possibility, there could be a much more specific clause in the contract. Just depends how it is written up and finally agreed upon.

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I doubt a court would interpret the force majeure clause to apply to a game in Blacksburg if Blacksburg does not in fact get hit at all.

ECU's only argument would be that the hurricane impeded their travel, but given that they are traveling to Orlando tomorrow, it would be easy to prove as pretextual.

Of course we're speculating on what the contract actually says. But if I had to guess, it likely also has an arbitration clause. If there is an arbitration clause and I'm VT, I'm arbitrating the hell out of this. ECU, as shown by their decision to send the football team to Orlando, is clearly canceling this game in order to avoid a beat down and get extra time to game-plan for a conference game. Damages will be easy to prove based on revenue we'll miss out on from not having the games. Our athletic department is short on money.

My position would be different if ECU's football team were not going down to Orlando to start practicing for next week. But given that decision, I don't believe for a second that their concern was travel safety. Looks more like they're using the hurricane as a PR shield for breaching their contractual obligations. But arbitrations are confidential, so we could hit them back without the PR issues. And if they leak the arbitration status, we can go back for more damages. Win/win.

This is exactly what I was thinking. If they weren't flying down to Fla this would be a non issue to me. But they are breaching the contract to gain more practice time for a conference game.

Yeah but how is their failure to fulfill their contractual obligations beyond their reasonable control? Cuz they can't get out of greenville? Because part of the kids' scholly contracts require them to be hurricane mitigation workers?

(This 'we're going to florida to prep for a conference game' is infuriating, and should this ever end up in litigation (hint: it won't) ecu would have a real tough time explaining that particular choice)

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Yea, flying to FL definitely weakens their argument, but they are a big enterprise of over 100 people to arrange to travel. Arguments can be made that it would be unreasonable to try and get that many people in and out of SWVA during a hurricane of this magnitude. There is a risk of being stranded in Blacksburg, which would have significant cascade of consequences for the next week. Safety during game play is also a concern. None of the arguments may be good, but enough to evoke the clause and get out of paying for the breach. It would be bad PR for VT to argue against it, so VT will likely just swallow this loss of revenue and move on.

I do agree that ECU would lose if they went to arbitration. It's near impossible to win on a force majeure argument (as you point out).

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Hard to argue being stranded in Blacksburg so long that they cannot make it to their next game.

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"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

I know replying to your own post is gauche.

But watch the outpouring of gratitude by Carolina and Conference USA about how USF so graciously took them in for 12 WHOLE days and look at all the cool shit the two teams did together while ECU was evacuated in front of this major hurricane (wait, shouldn't student athletes be in school?)

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

School is closed for the rest of the week and possibly next week.

Legal weakness of claiming this is a breach of contract aside, here are big reasons VT shouldn't do this:
1) the optics of this would be awful. The public reaction to this outside of Hokie Nation would be scathing
2) Edit: Other schools would not want to schedule VT after such a move.

Tl;dr would totally backfire

I only see 1 of those 2 being a bad thing

Edited the second one to clarify I didn't mean just ECU.

That's because everyone wants a villain

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Whit first tweeted on 9/10; ECU cancelled on 9/11. Average reply tone by date:

9/10: "Great job Whit! Way to get ahead of things! Keeping safety and players in mind looks great on the University! Communicating with ECU and NCAA is a model for ADs everywhere!"

9/11: "You terrible person. Obviously you only care about football and money. What about ECU's students? Don't you know there's anCat 4/5 on the way? Here's pictures of Floyd!"

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Hopefully Whit will use this to terminate the series.

That was my thinking. Maybe the silver lining is here that we finally get rid of them.

Oh shit does this mean that ECU is no longer on the schedule? I just got my annual giving letter from VT today. IF we don't play ECU I might have to donate to the Hokie Club.

Or maybe I'll just eat a Hokie Club and call it square.

I mean, there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, feel me?

That sure seems to be how e'carlina feels.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Why stop at 1 game...While we're at it, can we cancel the rest of the series with ECU?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My man

How is Bud Foster going to burn off all the pre workout he has been bulking up on all week?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I am just trying to understand the logic of why coming to Blacksburg, playing a game and then flying out to Florida is worse than going to Florida directly, other than ECU not getting some additional prep / practice time for a conference game.

Oh well, hope Ricky and CD get healed up. Maybe get the young ones some extra scrimmage time.

There is no logic.

ECU fired the best coach they've ever had...no logic.

Because they know they can get away with it. ESPN is out to make us look like dicks just for wanting to discuss it and it immediately devolves into "think of the families"

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How is ESPN making us look bad?

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Do you think that anyone who talks about sports anywhere is ESPN?

Meh...

Play ECU and win = VT drop in the polls.
Play ECU and lose = VT drop in the polls.
Don't play ECU = VT drop in the polls.

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

hokiejoe02 rn:

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

His accuracy, anyway.

Yeah but they probably will deserve it. WVU will definitely look better in their canceled game than us and thus jump us in the polls.

Well, that plus the continued unveiling of FSU.

All of the back-and-forth on twitter is giving me anxiety. We are being slammed by the media.

A Hokie living in Tennessee.

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

Unfairly in my opinion, nobody takes the time to get the whole story anymore

It's twitter. By Friday no one will remember Wednesday Twitter. The people complaining about the statement are people who hate us reflexively.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Out of curiosity, will anyone outside of VT/ECU football fans ever pay much attention to the "media slamming"? Or is this just a vocal minority of football fans bitching? I am not on Twitter, so honestly asking if we can expect any actual/real fallout from whatever they are claiming we did wrong.

So they canceled the game, which is arguably the right call. Issued some lame ass (in the context that I'll add in the next sentence) excuse about no ECU teams traveling for competition purposes. Then decided that the ECU football team was going to travel to Florida because that's when their (now) next game is. Did I get all that right?

And we're the assholes? Fuck 'em

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Turkeys have two legs why can't I use both?

Take one of mine then, you magnificent son-of-a-bitch.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Getting mad online because Tech wanted to wait a day to get the most accurate weather information possible is the most 2018 fake controversy I've seen this year.

Don't forget about #fakeinjurygate

In all seriousness and joking aside - safety first and foremost...

Having said that: ECU breaching the contract be like

Let's Go

HOKIES

Twitter is a war zone over this. Aye aye aye

Good, we need more people on board to cancel this series.

I'm all about breach of contracts y'all but I actually think there is a Hurricane Clause

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

No, no, no. There's a Hurricane Florence. Hurricane Clause would have been three hurricanes ago.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

He brings tidings of down power lines and flooded streets.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

What I want to know is if the ECU AD picked up the phone and called Whit before making the announcement. I'm sure Whit wouldn't have liked it, but at least he is hearing it directly. If he got this info from the ECU press release like everyone else, then that's f'd.

I honestly don't care about the game being cancelled. I figured that it would be, but I don't understand making the announcement the day before the agreed upon day. It was VT's responsibility, as the home team, to make the official public statement.

I think all these Twitter Avengers missing the part about them jumping on a plane to the site of their next big conference game, in sunny Florida.

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They little brothered us

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I was wondering this as well, if they didn't call us then they put us in a corner with having to respond where any disappointment would lead to instant backlash because of "kid's safety." possibly a brilliant move to make it so we can't hold them to the contract without coming across as heartless and any rebuttal met with the same sentiment as we are seeing now. Glad I am not Whit...

We have to be able to run it, and throw it -Beamer

Every fool loves the sound of his own rattle.

That's what it sounds like.

This twitter/media blitz is horseshit. Yes, Pete Morris is a fuckboy twat that makes us all look bad, but there is nothing in Whit's statement that is objectionable. Also found it hilarious that UNC twitter is coming to ECU's defense.

Also found it hilarious that UNC twitter is coming to ECU's defense.

Boy that's quite a brain trust, yeesh

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I've seen this mentioned a couple times now, but haven't seen the tweet. Can someone enlighten us?

Since been deleted, and I can't embed but it said "Hokies are waterproof" and had the highlights of the UNC game during Matthew. Posted shortly after ECU cancelled.

So..... shortsighted and in poor taste, but still a far cry from the worst thing that's come out of that account?

What is everyone so up in arms about? This shit is why I avoid Twitter 99% of the time.

Couldn't stop reading. 🙁

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Can't imagine why UNC folks would be butthurt over that...

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

How much of a revenue loss is this?

Of course, safety matters more. But just wondering the numbers.

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So if ECU were scheduled to play say @Houston and there was a storm to hit in Greenville, would everyone be ok with them backing out if that game?

He did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!

But that's a conference game that they might think they'd win.

At least we didn't pull a LOLUVA and move the game to Nashville. I hope Ohio crushes them infant of 0 fans watching

1-0 every week

How is that different from Charlottesville?

If anybody wants to get mad about something here ya go, saw this over on caneswarning.com "Other imitators but not duplicators of the turnover chain have included the savage shoulder pads by Georgia, Mississippi's wide receiver belt, Virginia Tech's lunch pail and the Tennessee trash can."
I am pretty sure the lunch pail is way older than the turnover belt. Here is the link to this garbage article...https://caneswarning.com/2018/09/09/is-fsus-backpack-the-worst-miami-foo...

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Eh, they ain't known for their smarts...eff em. They can strut around with a stupid chain while we whoop up on em.
(Insert debo you got knocked the eff out gif)

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I can't get mad at that because of how hilariously wrong it is

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

The lunch pail has grass in it that is older than the current Miami roster.

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"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

That thing must be pretty fucking full by now.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

But we don't hand it off to whomever got a turnover. It's more a symbol of the defenses mentality and work ethic.

Idiots.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Exactly. It's a consistent effort award (see: Tapp, Darryl) and not a "look, I did a thing" award.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

So another weird part to this drama is that there is no way Whit can demand ECU pay the 500K penalty if this storm does any damage in Greenville.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Hurricane Clause

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Isn't that only for the hosting team?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I don't think so, especially for teams that live in a hurricane prone zone. But I am also not lawyer.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

have you seen the language of this clause?

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All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

If I were Whit, which I am not and would be fired quickly, I would have put out a statement on how ECU was welcome to travel to BBurg and how we would host them and let them use our meeting rooms and etc. for the safety of the players since it would be stupid to fly to Florida. I would have done one wordsmith it up to sound better too.

Surrender pirates surrender

We have open Saturdays 10/20 and 27 around the GT game. ECU has open date the 27th. We play GT the 20th and ECU the 27th and Bob's your uncle.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

The only thing more astounding than all the drama surrounding how this cancellation was handled is people keep suggesting we give up a BYE WEEK MID SEASON BEFORE A CONFERENCE OPPONENT TO PLAY ECU.

Why is this a good idea?!

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Not if we (and it would be the right thing to do) refund ticket holders and take a huge hit to athletic budget. Then there's the issue of ECU's guarantee if we keep the money but without the income from concessions, etc. . Its a mess.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I'm with VT_warthog on this, we probably (throws salt over should and does a Karma clap) won't need this for bowl eligibility while they might. I say take the loss and rest up for ACCCG monies and the bowl game seed

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Every fool loves the sound of his own rattle.

So I've vascillated on this since it was announced, and I totally can understand concerns on all sides. This is a very significant natural disaster and it will impact the lives of many families in their region. Totally understand and fully support safety and well-being above all.

However, let's change the scenario a bit. Let's say the VT game and their game next weekend at USF are reversed. The USF game this weekend is in an area completely unaffected by this storm. Do they wait and see if USF decides to postpone/cancel this game due to the impact in Greenville? Does ECU preemptively decide to cancel and claim safety and concern for well-being without waiting or conferring with USF? No, they go to Florida and play the game as scheduled. I think this was a convenient way of just getting out of the game and leaving us to absorb the financial blow for a week in FL. Unless the team is staying behind to aid in storm relief, you can't tell me practicing for a week in Florida isn't a football move. They could have waited until tomorrow morning for us as the host team to make the official call, IMO.

Again, I hope and pray for safety for those affected, but this could have been handled a lot better.

This was well articulated and precisely Whit's reasoning I'm sure.

The only rationale I can think of for ECU is that prepping and playing this Thurs-Saturday, while their hometown is being flooded and people's lives are threatened, is asking too much. The USF game next week is long enough that they should mentally be prepared to play. But playing while you are worried about what's happening at home is too much.

I think that's a reasonable argument. However, I haven't seen ECU use it. They just said "we're not traveling" then they traveled. And the place we wanted them to travel to looks now to be only moderately impacted by game time (I haven't paid much attention to today's models, that may not be accurate).

So if they are saying we can't travel, then travel to FL, then fuck 'em. If they are saying we can't play this weekend while our hometown is getting wrecked, then I can understand it.

Let's see what happens. I mean with Harvey there was no where near 40+ inches of rain predicted to fall on and around Houston...but guess what? It happened. Maybe it slides off the coast. Maybe it creates havoc all up and down the 95 corridor. Who knows. I'd rather all Hokies and all others in the potentially affected region survive this for the next 37 matchups with ECU. Prost.

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Look yall, it is whatever. We are an unbeaten football team right now and the worst thing that could have happened if we played ECU is we would have lost. Shouldn't have happened after Ohio State but it did. Lets all just stay home this weekend and rest up like Ricky, and be there strong as hell for Notre Dame When we are 5-0*.

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All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Is this man serious? Possibly one of the most disgusting things I have ever read...

Capital F Fuck that guy.

What's with all this irrational VT-hate coming from sports personalities this season? This take doesn't even make sense. How is VT disinterested?

ECU is in need of help? They are bailing to Orlando to have 12 days to practice and prepare for UCF. Screw this guy and this take. Im sure they are going to be devastated in their inevitable trip to Disney and Universal....

and you know what, fuck all of this for the accepted notion here in NC that this is anything like 4/16/07... cancel the ECU series for that alone

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Pro tip: we just love it when other fanbases bring up 4/16. No quicker way to get me to tell a stranger to go fuck themselves.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I read the replies. God damn it this is why I never read the replies.

I hate sports talk personalities like this chucklehead like some of y'all hate Twitter.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Wait, ECU was hit by the hurricane already and needs help to fix it?

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To what are we expressing disinterest? Did they come ask big bro for some cash for their Florida vacation and big mean Whitty turned them down?

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Fuck I really had to work hard to resist the urge to downvote you, because this fuckwittery wasn't you.

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Thanks Frank!

The amount of people in this thread critical of this decision astounds me. There's a Category 3/4, possible historic hurricane about to hit North Carolina and some of you guys are questioning the decision?

These players, coaches and staff have families living in NC. They have themselves to look out for. Some parts of NC are already evacuated, how is this even a question? Delaying the decision by a day is a terrible idea from their perspective. Would you be complaining if it was Tech that had to cancel a game at greenville because VA was getting battered by a hurricane?

I understand that this is a logistical nightmare for VT but I am 100% in agreement with ECU on this decision. It's a no-brainer to me.

Critical of the decision given the context that they're flying the football team to Orlando tomorrow to start game-planning for their first conference game. They made a business/football decision and cloaked it in a PR shield by blaming travel concerns related to the hurricane despite the fact that they're still traveling the team for football purposes.

I get this but I can also see where they're coming from considering that their campus is set for evacuation tomorrow and waiting to hear back from us on whether the game would be cancelled or not wouldn't leave them time to make contingent plans - say we announce tomorrow that it's cancelled, they already need to leave their campus and the only hotels they have booked are in Blacksburg, the opposite direction of their next game and closer to the bad weather.

I do think they fucked it up by not talking to VT about this and agreeing to move the timeline for the decision up though.

Very few if any people in this thread have said that they are against the decision to cancel the game.

It boils down to 3 points:

1.) ECU cancelled classes and mandated all students and faculty leave the area, so the team and staff/families are strongly encouraged to go somewhere else besides Greenville. Canceling the football game doesn't change this fact that most families along the NC Coast are relocating to somewhere inland. So why couldn't ECU travel tomorrow evening, well before the storm hits, to evacuate Greenville for a safer place?
2.) If they were truly concerned about families and friends in the area, they wouldn't be on a plane to Florida tomorrow but put out some statement saying they are committed to helping their community and staying in Greenville. The problem with that is they are encouraged to leave anyways, so it doesn't make any sense for them to stay.
3.) As esihben and countless meterologists have reported, it is WAY to early to place a definitive track on this hurricane, with even a change in 50 miles massively impacting the rain and wind impacting area. Whit did not sugar coat his response but stated a fact that they could have made a more informed decision about the path of the hurricane tomorrow.

Overall, it was unlikely that the game was played Saturday but its not like the Hurricane is coming tomorrow morning and Tech was just twiddling its thumbs. It is going to land most likely something late Thursday evening or even Friday morning, which would have given ECU plenty of time to get out of Greenville whether the decision was made Tuesday at 2pm or Wednesday at Noon.

I see and respect where you are coming from. But by the same token, we were looking forward to a game this Saturday. Surely you can understand the devastation and heartbreak we now all feel and will take many weeks/months to repair the damage.

Do wha?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

My God, he just keeps going.

Mods, please shut him down for the night. At least.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

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Houstonian here. 100% agree. Fuck Joel Osteen and his bullshit 'support' for Harvey victims. Dude locked the doors of the Compaq Center until the media caught wind and it hurt his rep.

That said, it's bed time dude. Only earning downvotes at this point. Time to give it a rest.

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While some may find this absolutely hilarious, others will either find it extremely political and/or anti-Semitic.

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You kinda being a jackass rn so just be quiet for the rest of the night plz

I feed off of nightmares

Sorry that took so long. He gone.

JOE LANZA FROM THE TOP ROPE!

Which, of course, makes this discussion much more hilarious.

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Well, he got to see all colors of the post spectrum; probably all in the same day.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I think he may have been the first person with a plaid post to get the foot in the ass.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Can we add that to the glossary? Never go full HokieStone2006, meaning never go plaid then get banned.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Ugh, so long as we put the 2006 in bold.

@hokie_rd

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

You're living in the past, man. That was HokieStone2006. This is HokieStonepresent.

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- The BoD

Like, that was totally Bender, right?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Oh shut the fuck up you dumb shit.

With each post you show a new layer of classlessness, you're taking the site rules and wiping your ass with them. Log off and get a life

Did you really just say it could take us months to get over this?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

i really hope he forgot the /sarcasm tag

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

ECU is doing what needs to be done and I'm not going to fault them for it. They have some very serious issues to deal with over the next week+ and football isn't one of them. I'm not going to look in to their plans for Orlando either - to me it makes a sound contingency if you have a conference game and dont want to see your gear get washed up.

Bottom line to me - they have more important things to deal with, this gives us a week to recover and get extra game planning in, and to the earlier point - our SoS doesn't get impacted.

And for anyone crying about the lost revenue I get it, but use some perspective - take the money you would have spent on travel and donate it to the red cross *now*, and take the money you would have spent on game day activities and send it over to the Hokie Club.

Okay so maybe we shouldn't cancel the whole series but we maybe could take away another home game from ECU? We could replace next year's game with them with a more quality opponent say maybe Maryland Navy or Boise State rematch in Landover. Just a thought

This is definitely the safest course of action for ECU football storm notwithstanding.

Fuck Matt Ryan.

Leonard. Duh.

I dont understand what this has to do with this thread, but I support you nonetheless

thoughts of torrential rain bring back some bad memories too. or, I guess when the rain stops...

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

If you need some Hokies football viewing this weekend, I recommend the 1995 Miami VT game..

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My very first Hokie game. Memories...

Ultimately I think the correct decision is for the game to be canceled. Based on the limited info I have it seems both sides could have gone about making the decision in a better manner. I hope this becomes a learning experience for both sides.

Now it is very well documented here on TKP that I have a special hatred for the series and as much as I would love for it to be terminated immediately I think doing so in light of these recent events would be petty. VT would incur a well deserved PR nightmare for doing so.

Hopefully the two sides learn quickly from this and come together for open and thoughtful communications to jointly create a way forward which benefits everyone as best as possible.

But, and this is the most important thing, regardless of how we may feel about the decision and/or how it was reached let's all hope for the very best possible outcomes from this storm. It should be taken seriously and hopefully doing so will minimize losses.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Can we just turn this thread off, nothing good is going to come out of it. Please. Even Emma stone agrees

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Looking at the fallout this morning just makes me more upset with how we handled this, because all we had to do was not say anything and we don't catch any of this bad PR.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I really think this is what happened: Whit publicly stated early that a decision would be made Monday. So, media was well aware. ECU then comes out Tuesday and says it is off. More than anything, I think he was simply saying "VT was waiting until Wednesday as promised but ECU has made their decision earlier than planned. Sorry for the confusion."

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Nobody will care by next weekend anyways. Arkansas State had to take Miami to court over their canceled game last year and it's a non-story.

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Yesterday I said I thought ECU made the right move, but hindsight being what it is and the fact the storm is headed more west now and going to turn SOUTH after landfall I think it was too early. The more I read about it seems like ECU didn't communicate with Whit and made the move unilaterally. Now it feels more like they did use this devestating storm as a means to get out of the game. Blacksburg is still going to get a lot of rain but risk is very similar (in my opinion) to two years when we travelled to Chapel Hill. However, with that being said Whit needs to ban Pete Moris from Twitter, that guy is a moron.

Whit needs to ban Pete Moris from Twitter, that guy is a moron.

We don't even need to look at anything that has happened within the last 48 hours and this statement is still true as ever

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

There are projections, then there is what the storm will actually do. Let's not get caught up in "the storm will" do this and that. We don't know what it is going to do. And there is no reason to potentially put a metric s-ton of people in harms way when it can be avoided.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

As people have noted here, I understand the decision, and stating "We were going to wait until Wednesday," to me made me think that ECU and VT had been talking about waiting for a better idea of what the hurricane will do. If they were talking and ECU jumped the gun without informing VT before hand, which is kind of what it sounds like, then that might be the reason for the quote above. I would be upset with that because it wasn't communicated.

Unfortunately, going into that at this point would be petty, and people spitting vitriol on Twitter will just spit more regardless of response.

My niece's boyfriend (Joe Babros) plays for NC St. Their game is cancelled for the weekend. The team was told that all players will report to the football facilities (or go where the football team goes) during the storm or they will be subject to disciplinary action. His problem was that although they live together, they are not married, so she was not welcome to be with the team, but he didn't want to leave her alone because their apartment building had a mandatory evac. She was going to fly up here (western MD), but at the last minute the team agreed to allow her to stay with the team. My point is, that there is a lot of stuff going on in the background that we aren't privy to.

I have two main points after reading all of this thread:

1. Never mistake incompetence for malicious intent. ECU's administration simply jumped the gun because the early predictions had Greenville getting hammered and the Blacksburg area getting heavy rain and winds. At the time, there was a real possibility that their team could have been stranded in Blacksburg for a few days. Maybe they think they were erring on the side of caution. Maybe they panicked a bit and felt that if they waited until Wednesday that their options would be severely limited. Still, they should have discussed it with VT first. If they really wanted to make the decision on Tuesday, the could have discussed with VT and issued a joint press release. But, make no mistake, this had absolutely nothing to do with a nefarious plot to use the impending hurricane as an excuse to get out of playing VT as some posters are suggesting. Win or lose, they would have made money and quite frankly, VT isn't that scary.

2. As has been stated multiple times, Pete Morris should be relieved of his job. The internet outrage isn't nearly as bad without his poorly thought out and badly timed tweet. That tweet was an official VT communication. Too often, that account causes more trouble than it is worth. If anything, firing him would take some heat off of Whit, showing department wide disapproval of the latest in a too long list of poorly thought out tweets and conveying that Whit does actually care about the situation.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

10000% agree with #2. Bad move on his part.

And 100% agree with #1 as well.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I have so many issues with how Pete Moris runs that account. The tweet was very ill-timed, but this is the third time he has made light of a natural disaster in a tweet. He's tone deaf and out of touch. Ignoring the hurricane crap, he's always tweeting about the 2016 UNC game and holds that and the 2014 Ohio State game like our national championships. It looks so bad.

Edit: and the EMOJIS. Good god they are awful.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

We can't tweet @ croots, but what are the rules of tweeting @ Pete Morris?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I completely agree with your well thought out post and points regarding the cancellation, but in regards to "VT isn't that scary": If my program got drubbed by a combined score of 118-34 over the last two years, I would say they're pretty scary.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Completely agree - Pete Moris has to go. Actually should've been fired a couple years ago. How many times will he be allowed to publicly embarrass his employer with no consequences?

While we're at it, just get rid of @VT_Football completely. It's been a terrible Twitter account for years. Why do we need two Twitter accounts? @HokiesFB gets the job done without offending people.

Recruiting account versus team account. Lots of teams have them FSU for example.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Honestly I haven't seen anything from @HokiesFB that leads me to think it couldn't exist on it's own. Everything is done better by HokiesFB (Guerry).

They've always said it's a recruiting account but I've never seen anything recruiting related on it.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

To be fair, it kind of makes sense to have one "informational" account, which people can follow for announcements and such, and a separate "hype" account to build buzz around the program.

It's starting to seem like we had the right idea. I understand southern North Carolina is going to crushed. But as this storm keeps moving south, Orlando sees threat of getting more rain than Blacksburg

I understand it seems extremely vain to be playing a football game away from home while your home town is getting wrecked and lives are in danger. But at this point 2 inches of rain in Blacksburg and 4 inches in Greenville doesn't seem like anything to cancel a game over.

So... can we just play UCF this weekend instead, and let UNC play ECU again? :)

"all ECU athletics teams are prohibited from traveling for competition purposes this weekend. "

A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting this statement. It just means that they aren't going anywhere to play a sport previously scheduled for this weekend. It doesn't mean they aren't travelling period. The school is evacuating, so they have to travel somewhere. The football team going to Florida now instead of evacuating to somewhere else only to turn around a travel to Florida next week just makes sense. It is logistically much easier to arrange and manage and probably costs them less.

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-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Pitt County nor the city of Greenville is under mandatory or voluntary evacuation.

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The city or county aren't but the school itself is. I'll edit my post.

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-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I have a relative that lives in Greenville and she said that first responders knocked on her door yesterday and said the city was under a mandatory evacuation...she moved about an hour away

They lied to her.

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Or, y'know, maybe they didn't lie and we just don't know all the details.

Evacuation orders are public and can't be legally enforced using force. Her building can tell her she has to leave if she is in an apartment but the city and county can't and have not.

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Still not seeing where it's unreasonable for the city to send officials door-to-door to make sure everyone is aware of the mandatory evacuation, as I'm sure there are some people that don't check the TV or internet every day. Nothing there said that they dragged her from her house or anything.

Because there is NOT a mandatory or even voluntary evacuation order for Pitt county or city of Greenville.

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State of Emergency doesn't mean evacuation. VA has been under a state of emergency for days.

We put the K in Kwality

If you travel to Fla and practice for next weeks game then you traveled for competition purposes. I would be willing to bet that they will have football related activities on Saturday (practice, film, etc...). They didn't want to play us and jumped the gun after we asked them to give it a day. In doing so they cost VT a lot of money and according to a lot of people on here that will cost us wins. Just kidding about the wins part but I'm sure the administration will not be happy about refunding millions of dollars in tickets for a game that could have been played.

Agreed. I'd say invoke the contract hit and let them pay us. Or, let them sacrifice a home game and come to us again in the future.

The school in the long run will be ok. What is going to hurt badly is businesss in Blacksburg, Roanoke and surrounding area and employees at those places. Someone on here once posted an economic impact study which was in the millions for the area per game.

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You're reading it as they aren't travelling this weekend for competition purposes, where I read it as they aren't travelling for the purposes of competing/playing in any competitions scheduled for this weekend.

I think that ambiguity is leading to a lot of the disagreement. The first interpretation paints them as hypocrites, the second is more reasonable. They definitely could have worded it better.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

1 - I find it extremely ironic that the second ECU decided to cancel and train in Orlando for 12 days prior to UCF, the models started to show Florence making a u-turn back down the coast chasing them to Georgia before making landfall. I'm not saying its a sign, but.....

2 - Pete Morris just needs to go. He's a constant embarrassment on Twitter, and his actions yesterday caused this whole thing to go from a small spark to a roaring inferno on social media where we are being portrayed as the villain. His job is to be our PR guy, and far, far too often he's just flat out making us look back and getting us into trouble on the social nets. Just replace him with someone who knows what they're doing. We can still be fun and edgy while still not stepping on our own dicks multiple times per year.

3 - I have no chill and no patience for this notion that, because of the outpouring of support after 4/16/07 that we're somehow forever in debt to the entire country and anytime we don't bend completely over backwards for someone else, its fair game to bring up the shooting as to why we're villains going forward. That's such a fucked up mindset that I can't even begin, and yet its a rampant thought throughout this region, and especially around here with UNC, NCSU, and ECU. The fact the knee jerk reaction yesterday was to say "how could you, after all we did for you in 2007" just shows what actual crocodile tears they actually shed for us back then and they've secretly regretted it ever since. They played us yesterday as the fool, and then used the 2007 shooting to double down on the whole thing, and that could not possibly piss me off more. I don't want to play them again this year, I don't want to play them again next year, and I don't want to ever see them on our future schedules going forward.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

3 - I have no chill and no patience for this notion that, because of the outpouring of support after 4/16/07 that we're somehow forever in debt to the entire country and anytime we don't bend completely over backwards for someone else, its fair game to bring up the shooting as to why we're villains going forward.

Insert Penn St jokes here...

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I see what you did there, but aside from LOLUVA, PSU was probably the biggest cheerleader/supporter of VT after that happened. I do see what you did there, though, no beef.

I regret that I have but one leg to give for point #2. But you and I have seen eye-to-eye on that for a long time.

It truly is ridiculous this is still allowed to happen. Even if you forgive him for not intending this to be directed at ECU, this was still a thinly veiled shot at UNC. As much as I did enjoy going to that game in 2016, even I have to say it probably shouldn't have been played given the flooding that occurred in the hours leading up to the game. This storm, up until about 5pm yesterday, was widely expected to just dump buckets of rain throughout eastern and central NC, with rainfall totals 2-3 times what we saw with Matthew. That is what was known when Pete effectively queued up this thing. And the message comes across as 'pussies, we ain't skurred of rain'...

Just... not a good look. That was a message destined (and likely intended) to spin up vitriol from people down here in NC, and it just wasn't needed.

And yet, nobody is surprised it actually happened.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

There's a certain level of irony that we both lament that we have to play ECU every year and also throw mud at them when they make it so that we don't have to play them this year.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

If the options are "play ECU" or "don't play a game", I will pick ECU every time. Probably the only school I'd choose not to play at all is WVU.

Now, where it gets tricky is when you say "play ECU" or "play [team A]". Probably the only teams for which I wouldn't choose the second option are WVU and Liberty. Might be one or two more, but the point is this:

Most teams >>> ECU > no football

Out of curiosity, has there been a previous instance when the team affected by a hurricane or inclement weather (away team) has cancelled a game against the home team that is not affected or marginally affected?

I'm only asking for prior to a hurricane or other disaster. Not due to the aftermath.

Miami @ Arkansas St last year. Arkansas St has taken Miami to court about it.

Seriously, last year's double whammy of hurricanes pretty much set a precedence for just about every situation involving canceled, postponed, and relocated games.

Last year, FIU @ Indiana

@hokie_rd

This game was cancelled AFTER hurricane Irma due to the aftermath. That's a different circumstance.

May be a silly question. Assuming Tech is bowl eligible, can we play the game in between the ACC Championship and the Bowl game?

I literally cannot think of any reason we would want to do that. It wouldn't benefit us at all as bowls would have already been selected.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Money?

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

There might be issues because a bowl game allows for a certain number of practices during December. Shoving another game in there could be a compliance problem.

Also, the overall college football schedule is rather full in December. Championship games on December 1, Army-Navy on December 8, and then the bowls start on December 15.

Not to mention, if ECU is sitting at 5-6 or 6-5, they could be going to or targeting an early bowl. If they're 4-7 or worse, then they're just going to want to be beating up on us so we limp into a bowl game.

I don't see any reason that Army-Navy being on the 8th would prevent a second game from being played. ESPN probably has nothing to show that day anyway.

However, I still would not like to see that happen.

No, and we shouldn't even entertain the thought. If anything, ECU is going to hurt our SOS, they suck this year. It doesn't benefit us at all to rush to schedule that one in, it ain't going to help our rankings, and it'll only negatively impact our ability to prepare for future games. If we win, nobody will care, because ECU sucks, and if we lose, then we'll get hammered in the polls, because ECU sucks. The only way I see us ever entertaining the thought is if we need the win to be bowl eligible, and given how the current schedule seems to be shaping up, it doesn't appear that situation will be likely.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The $3 million or more in lost revenue would still probably make it worth rescheduling, however possible.

Seems to me:

a) ECU DID jump the gun.

b) They have plausible deniability about the reasons.

c) If you're an official VT official, you must stop yourself from criticizing ECU, as they have plausible deniability, AND natural disaster-related sympathy.

VT is right, of course, but sometimes you have to bite your tongue, and be the bigger team, even if you're right.

I guess the only good out of this is that we will be playing at home next year if we can't cancel the series yet.

fat chance of that. The game at VT will be canceled, and the game in Greenville will continue as planned next year. There is no way that ECU will allow that to move, given their knee jerk reaction to already bring up 4/16 regarding their plans to fly to Orlando rather than Blacksburg. They know they have us over a barrel when it comes to the PR battle, and they're using every ounce of leverage they have to trap us where we are.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

There is no way that ECU will allow that to move, given their knee jerk reaction to already bring up 4/16 regarding their plans to fly to Orlando rather than Blacksburg

I wouldn't attribute a shitty tweet by a sports-opinion-haver to their athletic department's opinion.

You're right about everything else though. Next year will go on as scheduled, and if we say anything about it this goes from Twitter spat to ESPN headline.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yeah, sometimes you have to quit when you're behind.

The mistake was made in creating the never-ending series to begin with.

I don't mind playing ECU, but every year until the end of time is a bit much.

Correct, you're right, and I misworded that. I didn't mean that ECU was on record saying that, but more of the ECU fanbase is now on record bringing it up. Regardless, if this does go from Twitter spat to ESPN headline, you know one of the first cards they'll pull out is "VT is doing this after everything ECU did for them back in 2007". Even if it never actually comes from the ECU Athletic Department, that will be the narrative, and you know ECU realizes this, hence how and why they have us over a barrel.

I wasn't specific enough in what I said, apologies.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The administrations of both sides need to be adults.

Actually, you do this early next year. No one will actually remember the timeline of the forecast changes. There can be a sympathetic spin put on where VT "recognized" ECUs need to cancel the game, but this year's game needs to be moved to Blacksburg. You might even shorten the series by one year deleting the last game which I believe is at our place.

However, I doubt this is done. I don't want to play ECU this year, now as it only hurts preparations for conference opponents and our SOS. I don't know the financial arrangements of the contract, but I think there should be some sort of compensation for VT, whether its a cash payment this year or additional compensation for the game at their place next year.

A little history lesson about the last time the ECU series was adjusted. Circa 2012, VT started adjusting the future non-conference schedules expecting the ACC to go to 9 games, as well as fit in the game against Alabama.

I'm not sure how long the original series that started in 2007 was supposed to go. But we dropped ECU from the 2012 and 2013 schedules, to balance the home-and-home. Austin Peay was added in 2012 to fill that gap. Apparently, we originally had a 4 game deal with ECU that was supposed to start in 2014, but the start got pushed to 2015.

But then, the ACC didn't go to nine games, and Pitt joined the ACC, while we were in the middle of a home-and-home series with them. That left a gap in the 2013 schedule, so ECU was back on. In the process, we turned it into a home-and-home series lasting until 2020. Somewhere along the line, we must have added another deal for 2022-2025.

What this cancellation probably means is that we get a home game against ECU added in 2029 (the first year we don't have a full non-conference schedule set), or earlier if someone backs out (either 2021 or 2026 and beyond).

The series since 2007 has featured 4 games in Blacksburg, 5 in Greenville, and 1 in Charlotte. This week's game would have evened it up to 5 in the burg, with three more home-and-homes scheduled.

Here's an idea, why don't we have a football Jamboree out there in Nashville. We send out the first teamers against Ohio and then send out the 2nd and 3rd teamers against UVA.. /s

Why even joke /s that comment? Genius idea.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Or... We let the first and second teamers and even some third string guys play Ohio and let the Hokie Bird, the cheerleaders and the Hokie Kids Club and maybe some TKpers play LOLUVA...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

So long as I get to play boundary corner. I've been watching DBU for years, so I know I can check a motherfucker.

#LeonardIslandDaycare

Leonard. Duh.

Sure. I think Wasknick needs to be on the O line. I want to play DB ( I am sure that Danny Coale is my Spirit Animal, HokieEnginerd, and Magic Rat think this is the perfect fit for me.... I have been known to lay into some people).

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Can someone explain to me why people think it matters that they flew to Orlando as some egregious affront to us? They just flew to somewhere safe and near their next opponent. I feel like canceling the game gives the team time to coordinate the million different things that are about to happen to a lot of them. Just not having to play football and be near a phone to help out family is enough reason for me to ease up on them, regardless of where they flew to.

I think the issue was that they might have waited until today to see if anything was going to happen that affects a good number of the student athletes.

be near a phone to help out family

You sort of lost me on that part. I'm OK with them making the best decision for them, but let's not pretend everyone on that team doesn't have a cell phone, or that someone's kid who is in college is going to make a lot of difference in their coastal evacuation.

The weather event is going to be the weather event, whether you spend it in Blacksburg or Orlando.

All of that said, I don't mind that the ECU game was cancelled. Will miss the game experience, but will have more prep time for some other upcoming games.

I agree that the event is happening regardless, and that's my point. Better to let them have a weekend off to do whatever they can to help those who are affected, like yes, being able to be near their cell phone instead of being planted in the ground by our Oline.

Except they don't have the weekend off; they're in Florida prepping for their first in-conference opponent.

That said, now I'd rather have guaranteed 0 game injuries and extra practice prep.

Except that practice time (even if they are full practicing this weekend, which I doubt) pales in comparison to a game. They are better off not playing while their home state is getting flooded with a hurricane.

A. @VT_Football has been garbage for a long time, along with a lot of our social media presence. Instagram has gotten better but that twitter handle is unbearable. Literally had to block it so I wouldn't even see RT's. A few years ago if I had seen the tweet "We have 3 Edmunds, yes we do, we have 3 Edmunds, how about you?" one more time, I was going on the Free Agent Market as a college football fan.

B. Don't care if this gets rescheduled or not. I'm glad they made the decision early though. Let the guys start preparing for ODU as soon as possible, and i'm sure Bud and the coaches will already start looking at Duke and Notre Dame film too. More prep time the better.

C. This was just another game where I was going to be worried about one of our D lineman getting hurt the whole time. Last thing we need is to lose Ricky in a game that doesn't really matter.

Bud/Wiles 2020

@VT_Football has been garbage for a long time

At first, my eyes glanced over the '@' and the underscore and I had a weird rushing range of emotions in my stomach for about 3 seconds. I'm all better now.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Regarding C: - Maybe we should hold him out until we play Duke anyway. I think we can get by with Mihota and Hewitt getting reps against ODU..same thing with Darrisaw.

Oh well, whats done is done.

Feel bad for the people who scheduled their weekend around this game. Hopefully you can get a refund for you tickets.

I for one don't mind the cancellation for a couple of reasons...

1) More rest for players hurt/injured
2) 0% chance of an upset
3) More time for practice to get ready for ODU and Duke to work out kinks before ND

Enjoy the weekend, watch lots of college football, drinks lots of beer and bourbon and most importantly... stay safe if you are near the projection of the Hurricane

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

More time for practice to get ready for ODU and work out kinks before ND Duke.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Haha I would agree with that statement if Daniel Jones didn't break his clavicle. Before that, I was a little nervous for this potential trap game, but now I am not sweating it at all, but thats just me. We'll see how they play with their back up.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

So you're more worried about ODU than Duke at this point?

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Where did I say that? lol... of course not... Duke still has more talent but I just said I'm not worried about Duke anymore/as much. I don't think anybody is really worried about ODU.... well at least I am not.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I'm actually very nervous about Duke, but we don't have to have the same gut feeling levels. I'm hoping your confidence wears off on me.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I'm actually pretty excited that I'll get to watch Dungey run over FSU's defense in the ESPN noon slot now.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I still have to pull for FSU.

With fewer and fewer games for VT, the FSU quality points matter.

Getting to the ACCCG with one (quality) loss or less and beating Clemson puts us in. Quality points do not matter at all unless we're talking about the difference between mid-tier bowl games.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

In other words, we don't know if it will matter or not.

So the prudent thing to do is to keep pulling for FSU.

FWIW, ODU and Charlotte still expect to play on Saturday in Charlotte. Charlotte seems to be the only team in NC that is willing to play football in the rain.

This pissed me off.

There are a lot of idiots with Twitter accounts.

Drink.

Now I get to read that trash twice when I scroll this thread.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sorry, just didn't have time to read through the whole thread before posting. my bad.

Today's lesson: Never take gifts from @ssh0les.

It always turns out shitty.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

LMAO....well played sir

1) I hope ECU stays safe and I get that what may happen in Greenville this weekend trumps all football related stuff. There are some many things bigger than sports.

2) VT did not handle this well. No need for the passive aggressive language by Whit and our Twitter account just made it worse.

3) I would like someone at ECU to address why they feel it unsafe to travel to Blacksburg this weekend but Florida is ok and why that decision was made yesterday when VT was clearly asking them to wait for today. There could be a really valid reason. I also think it's important for us as VT fans not to assume any ill-intent on the part of ECU as we'd hope they'd understand our frustration and not assume ill-intent with us as well.

4) As some have stated already, I don't think we get anything positive out of this game from the perspective of VT. We'd be playing in the rain against an athletic team where we could risk injury. We will get one more "tune-up" next week before conference play. I'm happy to let it go really.

As I've stated countless times, I have no problem with the cancellation. It was the right thing to do. However, in my opinion, there was nothing wrong with Whit's statement. I think he was genuinely taken off guard. When you and your "friend" decide to collectively make an important decision and then one just comes out and makes an executive decision before consulting you, I think you'd be a little surprised too. I could be way off in my interpretation of his brief statement, but that's just my $0.02.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Obviously, I hope everyone gets out of harm's way and is okay, and I'm reasonably convinced that cancelling the game was the right thing to do for multiple reasons...

But selfishly, I hope that the manner in which this decision was made, and the subsequent friction that is appearing between the two athletic departments prevents the series from ever being renewed again.

Whit Babcock for President

Parts of Greenville have a 10%+ chance of having a 9 foot storm surge. (Source)

They made the right call.

Home games at Clemson, South Carolina and Furman are still scheduled... Currently in the DIRECT path of the hurricane. Haven't heard much backlash on player safety for those games.

Damn I thought people would be happy we wouldn't have to play ECU and then yall erupt as if it's gonna affect our bowl eligibility

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Forget the decision to cancel for a moment, as I think ultimately it was the right one.

I understand many of the differing opinions, but not this one. How does not wanting to play ECU every year have any relevance on wanting to see VT football this weekend? If we had 6/7 home games against opponents the fan base was tired of playing, we would be cool bagging them all? Not to mention the cost, people paid for their tickets, made donations to access seats, coordinated plans to travel for the game, booked hotels, and might have only been able to make it to a game or 2 this year, now 1 or none.

Right decision made and people can be disappointed. Those are not mutually exclusive.

@hokie_rd

Yes I am not disagreeing that it was the right decision. I also understand the disappointment of those who have bought tickets, etc. However, complaining because it was ECU who cancelled the game does not make sense. I get the feeling that more Hokies are mad about ECU "backing out" than the game not being played.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm definitely annoyed by the hypocrisy of "we're not travelling" and "we're dedicated to the well being of the players to be there for their families during this tough time" being press released effectively from the 737 en route to Orlando, where they happen to be playing their game next week.

I'm pissed that there was a healthy dose of ECU twitter that decided to bring up 4/16 on why we're the real villains here.

I don't care that we canceled, I think it was the right call, but the way this thing played out reeks.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Just FYI, Liberty plays New Mexico State twice this year, wonder if we could pull away one of the games to play them after LOLUVA, just a thought
Edit: Ahhhh Screw it, they play Norfolk State that week

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

No. Just no. If it's going to be rescheduled it'll be against ECU.

Teams that cancelled that have a bye the same week we do (Oct 20)-
WVU- (Original opponent NC ST has bye on Oct 13)
Hampton- (original opponent Tennessee State has bye Oct 27)

Hampton anyone?

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Please stop.

12 wins looks better than 11 does

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Rearranging the schedule to add a second FCS team does more harm to our season than only playing 11 games.

Hampton would be cool to me, actually. My dad went there and we've never had the chance to root against each other in college football.

Also, it would make their schedule more palatable. I don't know how many here keep up with them, but Hampton is leaving the MEAC for the Big South next season. To show their appreciation for Hampton, all the other MEAC teams refused to play them this year, so at the last minute Hampton had to piece together a schedule of FCS, D2, D3, and NAIA squads just so the team would have something to do.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Wow. I'd heard about them getting kicked out of the MEAC one year early, but I didn't realize it was that bad. Of their 11 games, only 6 are against FCS competition. They have two games scheduled against NCAA D2 opponents, and one against teams from each of NCAA D3, NAIA, and NCCAA (National Christian College Athletic Association).

Wonder why they didn't join the CIAA?

For just one season? Would have created more headaches for the CIAA than it would've been worth, probably.

No i meant like, join the CIAA instead of the Big South...I know the Big South is move up in basketball, but I'm not sure about in Football...

While looking up something completely unrelated to HU football (and only tangentially related to the main thing I was looking up, the fact that Davidson's football team won a game tonight 91-61), I found out that the CIAA is Division II, not Division 1-FCS, which would explain why HU didn't go to the CIAA.

There's no way William Harvey (HU president) would let the school reclassify downward.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

WE DON'T NEED TO SCHEDULE A GAME ON OUR BYE WEEK

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Storm might not even touch Virginia

via GIPHY

Whit might've been onto something about waiting to announce till Wednesday. And before the responses flood in that ECU cancelled because they were concerned about the evacuation from the Carolina's, staying Blacksburg would've probably solved that issue. Ironically this report says it might make a turn southbound, hopefully it doesn't reach Florida, else their escape to FL might seem like a bad call unfortunately. Regardless I hope the team and all of the Carolina's are safe, no matter how much I want a game to still happen this weekend.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

ECU scored only 3 points fewer against us than Florida State

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

This is pretty easy to handle from a PR perspective:

"We understand that ECU had to cancel this weekend's game in order to insure the safety of the team as Hurricane Florance approaches the southeast coast. We are currently considering all alternatives, and will update #HokieNation when a decision has been made"

What else needs to be said? You don't need to publicize a 'VT First' message. Just send out a tweet in a week or two later saying:

"Unfortunately, at this time we were not able to find a time to reschedule our game against ECU without interrupting our conference schedule. We will revisit again at a later date"

Twitter me

I nominate you for our PR person. +1.

That only took you an entire day put out. It's a little more challenging when you get blindsided by your opponent announcing on Twitter they aren't going to show.

It's Time to go to Work

I doubt seriously it took him a day to write that.

I second the nomination. Twitter just isn't quite as hard as some people make it out to be.

It didn't take me the entire day, I just haven't been TKP as hard as usual (grad school does that), but I did have the advantage of reading the responses before typing that up. Whit typically handles this stuff pretty well, not sure what happened this time.

Twitter me

Listening to the TSL podcast someone mentioned that the original release didn't have the quote about waiting until Wednesday. It was added later and then removed shortly after, probably once some media members used it to imply Virginia Tech doesn't care about safety concerns.

It's Time to go to Work

I thought (let me know if I'm wrong, I haven't been following this super closely) that the backlash is in response to Whit tweeting something to the effect of "We'll do whatever is in Virginia Tech's best interests," not the 'wait until Wednesday' request?

Twitter me

I didn't even pay any attention to that. The Carolina media backlash seems even more ridiculous now. To me it is clear he is referring to rescheduling the game.

Nobody that got upset over the press release was ever clear on why anything was so egrigious. They just took the stance that whatever ECU did was unimpeachable and took the statements as an afront to the decision. It's the standard outrage over nothing stuff.

It's Time to go to Work

I would like to know why VT hasnt moved on with the most logical option ... why haven't we replaced ECU with WVU? They were supposed to travel but their game was cancelled. It's really by far the best option. We get a game everyone wants to see.

Because a Hurricane already blows enough garbage into town.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Why isn't this plaid?

...because it only has a leg score of +12

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Is that a guess or is there some way to tell?

Easy to tell on the desktop site. Has a number right underneath!

Fun fact: TKP doesn't have a "desktop site" or a "mobile site", it is what is called a Responsive Web Page based on the width of the browser window or screen that it is displayed on. If you shrink your desktop browser window it'll eventually start to look like what you see on your phone.

Yep, the name checks out.

Nice

+1

And thank you for not worrying about the absurdity of playing a game in 3 days and no prep and going straight for the gold, well done.

There's no way we're going to schedule a game against an opponent we had no idea we'd be playing with only 3 days to prepare for it. I'm sure the program has staffers that compiled tape on all of our 2018 opponents throughout the offseason to help streamline the film review process, we'd have no chance of doing that for WVU in only 3 days.

And neither would they, seems we would find out which coaching staff was worth their salary

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

On the contrary, I think a superior coaching staff gets their team more ready with the more time they have. And I do think our coaches are better.

100% agree. Playing an opponent without prep time puts the outcome much more on talent than coaching, and I'm not sure there are many QBs better than Grier this year.

No.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Couldn't/wouldn't this be considered a forfeit considering they just announced they won't be traveling without consulting Whit on the matter? Assuming that is how it went down I would think them not showing up would consider that a forfeit dont yall?

What purpose does that serve though? VT needs the money from the game, not the W. UVA needs the W for possible bowl eligibility and that is why they will be playing in an empty stadium.

Funniest thing about that is, there's a chance that Charlottesville won't see even see a drop of rain or a gust of wind >30mph from this storm.

Talk about premature decisions...

Also, guess I'm drinking.

Say we dont reschedule it, would you rather have a cancellation game on our schedule or just take the win.

What does that change, though? We still didn't play a game, we still have to refund 60,000 tickets, we still don't get the extra in-game experience for our young team.

Forfeit means nothing to us, unless we'd otherwise be 5-6, and if that happens it means 2 things:
- Our 2018 season was an abject failure
- We can easily schedule a game against ECU the day of the ACCCG, since we obviously won't be participating in it, barring some ridiculous 4-4 tie for the Coastal championship and a loss to ODU.

Im just saying wouldnt that be easier than just talking about rescheduling it or not rescheduling it all. Id rather take the win than a no-decision/cancellation.

Why are you so worried about getting them to forfeit and give us a W? No other cancelled NCAA game has, to the best of my knowledge, ever been forfeited to either team. On top of it we'd come out of this looking petty if that were to happen.

I'd rather have some dignity than a W.

I hope Whit is able to leverage this into a check-raise maneuver.

"Whit would you like to cancel the game?"
Whit: "I would like to wait another day" (check)
ECU: "I WANT TO CANCEL THE GAME!"
Whit:"I see your one game and raise you canceling every game scheduled in Greenville."

ECU folds (aka pays $500k) or loses their home games in the series. BOOM!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I'd like to see our captains meeting with the refs on Saturday at 12:20 under blue skies in Blacksburg talking about how our opponents didn't bother to show up, making ECU's forfeit official. We take the 1-0 win, they get the loss, and we move on to ODU.

Virginia Tech would walk right up to you and punch you in the neck. They're just tougher. Cowherd 3:16

This thread has about as many comments as a normal game thread... about as much angst too.

But it doesn't have the requisite "Why did the offense abandon {insert playcall/type of your choice} in the second quarter?"

Edit because using angle brackets tricks the interwebs into thinking you're formatting.

Havn't been on in a few days and just read thru this thread. Seems I missed some moments.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Like everyone, I love VT football and I was excited to have 7 home games this year. Yes, the messaging by both VT and ECU is strange and speaks to a lot of goings-on behind the scenes. All things considered, cancelling was absolutely the right move. I came to TKP this morning to find something positive on sports (thank you Henry) and get away from the endless weather discussions, but am still drawn to this thread.

A home game takes a wealth of emergency services resources. Most of those resources have already been going full-tilt for over a week, planning and preparing for all possible cases. We have had a fairly active 7-10 days already, and we haven't seen rain from the storm yet. There are still a number of cases and simulations that have the New River reaching record crests in the area. It flows north, so what happens in the NC mountains has a more direct impact than rain at Lane Stadium. The high degree of uncertainty is making that planning and preparation significantly more stressful and difficult, even for those of us who have done this for more than a hot minute.

To illustrate my point,here's this morning's hydrological summary from NWS:

For reference, Dedmon Center parking is affected at 17 ft. Local riverside access roads (Parrot Road, Big Falls Road, Eggleston Road) see impacts at approximately 12 ft. The most recent crest with severe flooding was the 24 ft in 1977, which I vividly remember. The thought of 30+ feet of River, even as a worst-case scenario, is unnerving to say the least. At 30 feet depth, the New River is flowing 1.2 million gallons per second by Radford, and through Montgomery County.

Our first priority is, and must always be, to protect our community.Each of us involved in public safety call the NRV home, and we're concerned about our own homes, our neighbors, and our community. VT and NRV are as prepared as we can be. As for me, I live right on the New River and have been preparing to evacuate, even though I hope it isn't necessary. Mostly, I'm looking forward to the ODU game, because it's on the other side of the next 7 days.

Everyone, please stay safe and be smart wherever you may be.
You can now return to your regularly scheduled Emma gifs, Office / Spaceball Memes, and 'crooting breakdowns.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

To be fair, that chart shows no real chance of flooding until late Sunday at the earliest, meaning the game likely wouldn't have been affected, but considering the uncertainty of the forecast at the time ECU made what they thought was the best decision.

AEP also made a prudent decision and lowered Claytor Lake 5 feet in anticipation of the storm. That is a huge drop for a 20 mile long lake.

At 4,472 Acres... with 1 Acre-Foot equal to 325,851 gallons... calculator whirring noise...
That's 1,629,255 gallons in a 5-foot drop per acre...more calculator noise...
That's a total of 7,286,028,360 gallons of additional capacity right there boys... A whole lotta watta.
The down side is that the New is is flowing at at around 50,000 cubic feet per second at even minor flooding (~12 ft), which means it's sending water downstream at a rate of 22,441,558 gallons per minute...
The current forecast is for 19.9 feet on Monday/Tuesday. So let's hope that holds up.

The real benefit is that AEP can regulate the water flow through the system much better, to a point. Byllesby and Buck have also been lowered by 4-5 feet. The 3 projects work together pretty well, and AEP has become a good partner in both the emergency management sense (for the hydro) and in communicating what they can/will be able to do to regulate flood waters. I'm normally a harsh AEP critic, but when it comes to this they're always awesome to work with.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

Look the game has been cancelled. Regardless of what anyone's opinions are. The people who make the decisions made them. And we have got to roll with it. My only concern would be adding another game Possibly Week 8 during our Bye week. If we do play that week who are the possible replacement teams. West VA is free. And Please God don't let it be them. Iowa State has an opening. They could be an interesting play. Maybe even a Neutral Pro Field Paul Brown Field. Bengals play away that week. OR we could go for a bigger scalp in a SEC school South Carolina is free as well.

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