Virginia Tech vs. Duke Game Time, TV Info, and Open Thread

The Hokies look to rebound from a nightmarish weekend in the 757 with a road trip at 4-0 Duke.

The Virginia Tech cheerleaders. [Mark Umansky]

Who: Virginia Tech Hokies (2-1, 1-0 ACC) at No. 22 Duke Blue Devils (4-0, 0-0 ACC)
When: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:00 PM EDT
Where: Durham, North Carolina | Wallace Wade Stadium (40,004)
Watch/Listen: ESPN2 / Virginia Tech IMG
Spread: Duke -4.5
Weather: 71ยฐF, Partly Cloudy
Series: Virginia Tech holds a 16-9 advantage in the all-time series.
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HOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's Go Hokies!!! We've got chicken thighs and venison tenderloins for the grill. Rum and some moonshine to pregame. We always set up in the GC parking lot by the hospital.

We need this win.

I have a bad feeling Jones is going to get injured again. Hope he didn't rush back.

I have that same feeling. Either he thinks he is superman or has a death wish... A broken clavicle is not a quick heal....

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I have some worries, but David Cutcliffe is too classy to throw him out there without confidence in his health. I hope he is right because I am looking forward to House and Ricky teeing off on him tonight and I don't want to see him re-injured.

Also, this may limit the QB run as they will likely be conservative which could be a plus for us.

I cant help but cringe at the constant use of the word classy when describing Cutcliffe lmao.

What does being classy have to do with any of that?

I would expect him to put player well being above a win. This should be the case for everyone, but I doubt it is always the case.

I mean, that has nothing to do with "class" lol. I just cant help but imagine Michael Scott from the Office wanting everything to be classy when i hear it repeatedly on here.

I actuallu feel good about thos game. Maybe its my short memory, but I think we get the upset.

I don't consider a victory over Duke an upset, no matter how much "better, competitive, improved, etc" or how high they're ranked.

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Ok whatever, not an upset. I still feel good about the game.

Although that attitude is whats loses ganes to ODU.

No, lack of prep, planning, etc is what lost the game. Still gotta put in equal (or greater) prep for Dukes, Odus, Jmus.

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Lack of prep, planning, etc STEMS from not respecting your opponent among other reasons. You bet your ass if ODU had been Miami we would not have been caught so off guard by their game.

I would rather we treat this as a big game against an opponent that the country thinks we will lose to than to walk in thinking we should beat Duke every year regardless of how good they actually are.

I don't think that adequate & correct prep+readiness are equivalent to respecting your opponent. I believe they can be mutually exclusive as well. I did previously state that I believe the team should prep, plan, etc as equally (& sometimes more) for Odus as for Miamis & Clemsons. That I will agree with you on.

But to your last part, I say fuck what the rest of the country thinks & just go out there & obliterate them. That sounds a lot like an underdog mentality (which, again, has yet to win us a Natty).

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Bruh...we arent even close to winning a natty lol. So lets just take a step back.

And perception is a powerful tool. To think that a bunch of kids arent going to motivated by how they are perceived is naive and idealistic. Hence why even teams like Bama still use "disrespect" to motivate the team. Does Bama need to be motivated? No. Do we? After last week, you bet we do. We are not in a place to just go out and obliterate teams and "fake it til ya make it" is not going to get us there.

I wasn't insinuating that. My point is that the attitude is not reflective of a National Champion which is the ultimate goal. And while I can temper expectations, I certainly can't & won't "take a step back" or "forget about it" or "put it out of my head for awhile" or whatever. Not after the '99 season. Not after '00, '05, '07, '10 or '11. Not gonna happen.
I agree that perception is a powerful tool. I might even concede (a little bit) regarding motivation (though I question the amount of value you assign to it & it's vitality to our team being successful. But they're not kids. They're adults. Grown men. And what you say is incorrect. We are absolutely in a place to go out & obliterate teams (the very 1st two games of the season proved that). I agree with what you said regarding "fake to make", but again, I was not insinuating that.

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They are the favored team. Therefore it would be an upset. #sauces

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I am well aware of it. But be that as it may, I choose not to subscribe to the interpretation.

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We lost to a lowly FBS team that was 0-3, so yeah it's an upset. Reality as to which teams have looked and play better is what it is even if historically it isn't the case. In any case it'll be a ranked win as well. So I agree...it'll be an upset.

Fugazy

I mean, yes to all of the above... but the real reason it's an upset is because we are a 4.5-point underdog.

I agree & will absolutely NOT deny that the shit sandwich last Saturday was an upset. But I just choose not to subscribe to the pervasive labels & descriptions (in this instance). And I doubt I'm the only person.

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This

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Headed to the stadium. Hope its a good night!

Peace

Is it football season yet?

FAM, Enter Sandman came up on my Spotify shuffle playlist, that has to be a good sign right?

#goodsign

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Enter Sandman was playing on 105.3 when mom and I saw the "VT Athletic Facilities" sign on 460 just before Blacksburg when we were on our way to freshman orientation in 2007.

4 years later, I graduated having watched 3 ACC championship seasons in person. So yes, good sign.

Duhart picking up where he left off against us. Just pulled down another 50/50 ball for a huge gain

Lets Go Hokies!

Also everyone who signed up for trials to watch the last game dont forget to cancel!!

If we lose this game, I'll have watched 4 football losses by my teams (Hokies and Vikings) in a seven day span. It's been... awful.

Maybe don't watch...?

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Look, you can either watch the game or watch Giftory.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

LETS GO...Hoping Willis has the game of his life and balls out with a 350 4 td 0 int kinda night.

1-0 every week

3,504 TDs must be some kind of record.

I was close as Willis did ball out and threw for 332 yards and 3 tds and 0 ints!

1-0 every week

Anyone think we'll see a 2 qb situation at some point in this game? I know Willis is the starter but I wonder how long the leash is for him and/or if he wants to see what he has in hooker for a planned series or two.

Idc either way just wondering. Whoever's I'm there I want to seem some good RPOs, pass for 250+ and run for another 50+ and score 69 points.

Fugazy

I am curious if we won't have a 2 QB package despite Willis performance. I have a suspicion that Hooker is going to get some reps in a series or 2 in the next 2 games no matter the outcomes.

Let me know how it's going y'all.

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Didn't find a place to watch at Disney? Can't stream on your phone?

It's two year olds birthday. Not going to be that guy. Steaming was only option inside parks.

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Don't they go to bed by now?

Doing bed time at halftime did presents and cake pops after we got back from park.

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I hope Willis has a better day than Andrew Ford did! (kid lit it up today!)

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I'm stuck between watching and not watching ... last week was a dagger to my hokie heart ...

I feel the same way.

I've been drinking whiskey all day so hopefully I won't feel the dagger again

I wasn't permitted by the streaming gods to watch last week.

If I'm able, I'll be in the viewing audience tonight!

If anyone on here is in the tampa area, the fiance and I will be at the Buffalo Wild Wings on S Dale Mabry. We would welcome your company!

Please dont shit the bed...

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I am in Tampa! Won't be able to make it tonight but good to know for the future.

We live in Naples but came up to go to BG for the day. Would love to meet up someday though!

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I don;t care much. I have not invested any emotion this week.

Year 3 is coming up!

Damnit Louisville could've killed this game

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Let's go HOKIES!

I've decided I really like the new uniform tops. Except the orange of course. Anyway Let's Gooo!!

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Alright guys, unless it's the opposing team & fans, don't fuck this up.

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Pressure on the play, gotta finish though

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we're missing Hill badly right now

Duke should've had that

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Looking at Dukes wins and the teams they have played. They might be the best in the coastal division. Might be the best team tech plays this year.

Miami has been looking pretty strong.

How about no finger wagging just yet Watts. You guys got torched last week

What uuup

Time to see what Willis is about

And so the Willis era begins

We got the stop but the D was unimpressive on that 1st possession. Ready to see what Willis brings to the table.

Looks like a home game more than an away game, guess Duke can only sell a max of 10k tickets for all sporting events

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Good bounce back for the defense there after giving up a few first downs.

The first several downs by Duke, the Defense were only using 3 down linemen. When they switched to 4 down linemen, the defense started to stop the Blue Devils.

From that 1st defensive series I was disappointed at how slow it took them to get (& impose) to Jones, but satisfied with the stop.

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They got it done.

Slick Rick blew into the backfield on the 3rd down play.

Using /s is for cowards.

Here's Hazelton not blocking again

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Hazelton missed a big block there could have sprung Grimsley

NICE hit on the DB by Grimsley @ the end of that reception.

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Zeke knocking over opponents even while he has the ball...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

What does this make? like 7 consecutive years now where I have zero faith in our run game on a 3rd and short?

Do you mean outside of Logan and Jerod Evans??????

Chem PhD '16

scuse me, I'll go 5 years then. Jerod was an anomaly but we still struggled on 3rd and short in the regular run game.

Zero push on these run plays

Edit: eh don't like that fake there

Why run on first down and 15?

What

What the fuck...

What are we doing

Chem PhD '16

What the fuck was that? Terrible design on that play

Shit fer brains. And he wasn't even that fast either.

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What the hell is that shit

How the fuck did that ref not see the face mask

Bad no call

Chem PhD '16

Remember the game is AT Duke

Coach Schscheszki is already out there working the refs.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Do they not call face-masks?

Fuck, we were off to a good start.

The refs missed a face mask call on Farley.

And you're surprised because...

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... because this game isn't in Cameron.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Not being able to convert 3rd and short is frustrating

Yep. Is it too much to ask for a little bit of run blocking?

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The fake could've gone for six

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Why wasn't it a penalty for several Duke players coming off the bench, making contact with Farley (jawing)?

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Did they just measure a ball that was well behind the next yard line? WTF

Anyone else smell the stench of desperation? Don't like that call early

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I think it's OK.

Might well have worked. Just didn't.

I get the position on the field argument. And obviously it has worked out now - but I personally don't like that call that early.

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That is exactly what I said to my wife. We are desperate to start the game. This is not good. Luckily we got the turnover because we have started the game is a desperate mindset. That isn't a good place to be.

I agree with that completely.

*everybody just stay calm* gif

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"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

FLOYD!!

TIP DRILL PICK!

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

An interception! DBU reigns!

Thank you Floyd! DBU is BACK IN SESSION MFERS!!!

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There we go baby

YES!

FLoyd!

LETS GOOOOO!!!

HOKIES!!!!

Ladler got it.

Nice job.

That was definitely defensive holding on Blackwell. Fuck that obvious no call.

WOW! No call against Duke...

Does Divine make a difference? I say yes.

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Damon really not impressing me

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no PI?????

Nobody respecting Willis on the "read". Probably they're all designed handoffs and not true reads or else he'd be taking off

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Duke not respecting Willis as a running threat playing the back on the read option all night

Beatcha by seven seconds lol

Chem PhD '16

Willis' throws look sharp

That one didn't

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Yea nice to see him throwing in the middle of the field

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Where is our O-line for the run?

Oh look ACC officiating is trash again this year...

Mr. Willis using all the receivers. Nice

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Willis got away with one there.

STICK IT IN STICK IT IN STICK IT IN

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Another no call what the fuck is going on?

Wow. That no call is crazy

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No penalty. What a shocker. So it's gonna be THAT kinda game where we're playing against BOTH Duke & the refs. Ok. Whatever. 1st blood.

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Base on what we have already seen, you shouldn't be surprised! It's going to be a long night with this.

I was being sarcastic about the "shocker" part. It will NEVER surprise or shock when the refs don't make the correct calls on our end. In fact, it shocks me on the exact opposite. Also, when they miss calls for the opposing team (which is rare), I feel vindicated for us.

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WOW!!! This is HORRIBLE officiating!

I hate to do this but I was planning on being able to watch this game out at Frank's tonight but I've picked up a stomach bug and we cut the chord a year ago so I'm high and dry at home... any tips on watching the game online?

watchESPN, but if that isn't an option r/cfbstreams on reddit is your friend. Be careful with popups but you should be find.

This is magic.

Go to the CFB/NCAAF stream subreddit for links

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ESPN2 if you have cable.

Otherwise, Reddit stream or firstrowsports (use a popup blocker and stay vigilant).

Bullshit, getting underneath a guy like that is dangerous, and it was way before the ball got there.

Seriously

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NO PI again WTF!?!?!?!?

WTF refs?

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE F*** REFS!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can tell Willis is confident, I like how decisive he is.

Fugazy

He's putting it there for the receivers

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Should have been PI, but the ball wasnt places well enough to force the flag. If they stay consistent it might be to our advantage as our receivers tend to push off a lot on those fades

Our wide receivers keep the dbs at arms length, not really a lot of pushing off imo

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LOL, those PIs are gonna get thrown against us.

So true

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Ehh I thought that was more of a push off by Kumah. He jumped and got upended after the pass so it looked worse than it was.

Using /s is for cowards.

I guess we are all blind or hallucinating! ;-)

We certainly couldn't be biased at all right? /s

McClease either gets 6 yards or nothing. The run game is inconsistent right now.

Line isn't doing a great job of opening lanes

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Usually you can chalk that up to inconsistent run blocking

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Time for another pick!

Most importantly, though, Duke didn't make VT pay for that fake.

Slow pokes.

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Another one Duke should've had.

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Another deep shot hat should have been caught. We are getting beat again but they aren't capitalizing.

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They are gonna hit one of those deep seam routes eventually

well our DB's are still getting beat

Duke's O-line is holding like crazy

FUCK DAMMIT! YA FINALLY GET TO THE FUCKING QB AND HE STILL GETS A FUCK DAMN FIRST DOWN!

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I don't know how anyone could downvote that. It's true.

This is kinda hard to watch so far.

Yeah the defense has been struggling mightily on this drive.

no holding?

Getting cooked over the top is our favorite pasttime, apparently.

Giving Jones a clean pocket and all day to throw. DBs getting beat every play.

DBs are getting beat like a drum. And the no real pressure

Play design by Fuente apparently. We should use it for us next time though I think.

Yes. We should use it.

Why does he keep saying good play design by Fuente?

New announcers that don't know the teams or the coaches! Lame ESPN crew

He really was wide open for that catch.

When every single downfield pass is wide open, they're going to catch some of them. Not his guy there, but Farley is so unnatural at defense. Takes horrible angles, gets run by in coverage. I really hope he improves.

This. Farley is an insanely good athlete, but he's not natural at corner. He is there because we frankly didn't have anyone else. Awful. Should be on offense.

He's not a natural punter either....anyone could sniff that fake punt out, smh

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Yeah what the hell was that? Also no one on the team has worse vision than Farley. I'm glad he wasn't back to return kicks today (for multiple reasons).

Alright, we're probably gonna lose this game. No calls from the ref, defense not getting to the QB fast enough. Yeah. Not good enough.
Well I'm certainly glad that didn't happen.

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Love how primetime ESPN announcers think Fuente is calling plays for Duke

Lol these dbs are getting torched again looks like I'll need to start drinking

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Looks like our defense picked the wrong week to quit taking amphetamines!

Way to go Bimbo!

We're ball chasing right now. Dropping into zone and no one is picking anyone up. Guys just running free. Poor execution again.

Glad Fuente is running the Duke offense... according to the booth.

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Is the worst secondary in the past 20 years?

Youngest* . 18 of the 22 two deep defenders are underclassmen.

VB born, class of '14

Idiot announcers. Should at least be clear that Fuente is the VT head coach and not the Duke offensive coordinator.

Beer is too weak for this shit... switching to whiskey...

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Looks like we are going to need quite a few points tonight.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

WE blow

Year 3 is coming up!

DBU right now is DB don't.

The primary culprit is our lack of any kind of pass rush or pressure on the QB. DB's will almost always get beat eventually, they are playing at disadvantage from the snap, so when the QB has all fucking day someone will get open.

That isn't to say we aren't playing coverage poorly, but DL pressure can mask a lot of issues on defense.

Shouldn't have traded Kalil Mack.

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Need some discipline in these play actions by Duke. You guys are complaining that the DBs are getting burnt like it's athleticism. It's not ready keys and biting on PA. It's hard bc Jones will run. This game comes down to Pass Rush and the DEs more than anything.

Our DBs are getting beat, that lack of experience and talent is really showing up. All over including with our safeties. Looks like all those dismissals and injuries are hitting us along and the mirage that was that FSU looks to be the exception not the norm with our DBs.

Fugazy

At least we've got Willis out there. So some chance at points.

Seriously, we're going to need a DBU doctor to fix this defense.

TWheat is fast.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Great play design

Way to go Bimbo!

We need to get a touchdown on this drive.

Ask and you shall receive.

(Feel free to ask a couple more time tonight!)

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That was a nice play design by Fuente.

Oh man, we needed that deep shot.

Loved the look of that deep ball

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Nice effort.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

we need to use Kumah ALOT!

Things were going so nice. Why bring Hooker in for one play?

Agree, I don't like these switches. If you're gonna put him in put them in for series. Not just a gimmicky qb run.

Fugazy

See what the defense does. Plan for later. Like doing the fake motions

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Makes sense, but they probably assume Hooker is going to run it.

Maybe they see something they like and want to set up a play later

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Who the fuck knows what goes on in Fuente's & Cornelsen's heads?

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At least the play call was not an obvious bring-Hooker-in, have Hooker-run-the-ball

Grimsley's got a case of the drops this year

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That would have been an awesome catch.

Is this what our offense is supposed to look like??

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Keep doing slants all night long

Willis has looked sharp

Really makes you wonder why he didn't start

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Agreed. Willis looking composed and has some serious arm talent.

great block by Peoples there

Way to go Bimbo!

That's gonna cut down his YPC

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Willis slings it confidently that's for sure.

Damn. Fuente is a busy man.....didn't realize he called plays for either O let alone both.

I caught that too

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I just want a decent commentating crew. If that means ACC network I'm fine with it

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Nice pass Willis!

Easy money. Looks like the offense will be fine tonight. We HAVE to find some ways to get pressure on Daniel Jones.

And we have to make him pay physically too.

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Well alright then.

Alright, back in the lead!

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Very nice touch pass by Willis

That was pretty

Willis has looked much better than JJ with his timing and arm strength. If he can avoid turnovers this offense is improved with him in the game.

Willis has very nice touch.

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HAZELTON

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HAZEL-TD

We put the K in Kwality

We are going to need a lot of points to pull this one out. Both offenses are having their way

That had to be one of the easiest TD passes we've had in a while.

I'LL HAVE ANOTHER!

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Another

EDIT: I feel like I forgot how to post a gif...

Lol, I gotcha

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FUCK. Thank you. How do I do that again?

wow, willis showing some touch. also hazleton might break our TD record for a season. he seems to be the TD machine

Hazelton should be running post routes down the middle. He's a target

nice!

From what I've seen so far, Willis has better throw timing than JJ on the various throw plays

Dropping dimes

Even with the GIF, you still won. I'm so ashamed.

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Droppin' dimes! That was a nice toss

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Willis is composed and has an arm.

Now, if only the defense can get a little pressure, and a little coverage in the secondary.

I'll go ahead and say it, Willis is better than Jackson. The play at the end of the ODU game and early this game is the best the QB position has looked all year. Feel free to downvote but really looks like Fuente may have played the incumbent instead of talent. He looks so confident that I have a hard time believing it didn't come out in practice.

Fugazy

WIllis, if you can beat Duke here I'll take back all the Kansas jokes.

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not go crazy... Its still fuckin Kansas....

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Willis looking damn good tonight! Remind me again why he was behind JJ?

Also, have we ever had a WR before Hazelton catch a TD in each of their first 4 games? Dude's money

We rag on him for not doing the little things, which he doesn't, but I'm not sure you can sit him for it at this point.

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Let's get some pass rush

Finally!!!

Way to go Bimbo!

Annnnnd then we give most of it back!

Way to go Bimbo!

no block in the back call?! Oh, my bad, it was Duke

Fucking finally! Grant it, while maybe not the physical takedown, but it's a start.

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Walker has a sack!

Nice sack!

Hard to get that guy on the ground.

I like sacks.

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good 4th down stop

ok good sack, but how was that not HOLDING???

8-11 Sack

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Good play Quillen.

And the DBs negate the DL's progress...

Can we please make one fair catch this season?!?!

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Waving the arm on a punt receive-it's a SIMPLE CONCEPT!

Way to go Bimbo!

It looks like Quillin is hurt

Hazleton thought he was Stroman there for a second. Little does he know only Stroman can get away with NEVER fair catching but also never muffing punts.

Stro never muffed a punt?

He somehow managed to run a few back. Was sometimes worth the risk.

Stop dropping the ball

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Good stop there by the D. Ladler has to do a better job in the open field on 2nd down.

Also, why do we struggle so much with catching punts this year?

Yeah, I'm gonna need Hazelton to start calling fair catches.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Yeah, on Saturday...

STOP putting Hazelton at PR!!!!!

That was a hard hit.

Hazelton just got Quillen hurt by no fair catch

VB born, class of '14

Thank you Jovonn

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Wtf is Hazelton's issue with calling a fair catch? That's like the third time he's dropped it after getting rocked for not waving it off.

Who the fuck fucked up that catch!?!? Fuck, dude! Shit for brains play. One job. One simple fucking job.

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Hope Quillen is okay. He put his body on the line to get that ball back. Duke should've recovered that

We should run the reverse on punt returns... like the old days

Well, this offensive series is pretty much over.
EDIT: Nevermind

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...and a late hit.. oh, can't call that against Duke

Are you allowed to tackle like that?

Our run game is still embarrassing this year, if there was any confusion about whether that will be the case.

The rush yards last week were misleading to say the least.

BUT HEY NOW WE A PASSING TEAM ALL ABOARD THE WILLIS HYPE TRAIN

Duke is focusing on the run making Willis beat them. Seems like that is good for us at the moment.

Dude, fuck it, I'll take it. Put them (Duke) behind. WAYY behind.

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Are you allowed to clothesline?

Oh yeah, Duke rules.

How was that not a fouls for head contact on that jet sweep? Straight up clotheslined Heze.

Fucking injuries...

Fuck Grimsley looks hurt.

I thought clothlines were a personal foul penalty (like 20 years ago)?

We put the K in Kwality

Right in front of the ref, but they seem to have left their flags at home tonight

...and it wasn't an accident.

We put the K in Kwality

What?! That was awesome

Great stiffarm TD!!!!!!!

Way to go Bimbo!

Keene with the stiff arm, and lookin good!

HOLY SHIT THE OFFENSE KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

That also was pretty

Kumah laid the wood again. TD KEENE

The unspoken hero of the TD!

Keene is a MAN! [edited to get his name spelled right; he deserves it.]

Dat block to seal it!!!

DALTON KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENE

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Rambo!!!!

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YEAH KEENE!! WIDEN THAT FUCKIN GAP!!!

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did we just run 4 verts?

#29 for President!

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Keane!

Dude, that was all good stuff.

Pretty brilliant to do that in slow motion. Completely fooled 'em.

67 yards, two from being......nice

Gronk is that you?

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That was the slowest looking long TD run I have ever seen.

I was telling the kids and wife the same thing!

KEEEEEEEEEEEEENE

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WHO. HAD. THAT. BLOCK!?

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

(it was kumah)

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

RAMBO

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

LMAO THAT STIFF ARM. And 83 with that nice block

Attaboy Dalton keene

Chem PhD '16

Good things happen when Bud Foster has a two score lead.

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DALTON MOTHERFUCKIN RAMBO KEENE. WHAT A PLAY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFENSE BOYS. ALSO DAMN GOOD BLOCK BY KUMAH

was that Kumah with the block on 51?

Keep up the pass rush. Feed on the energy D.

KEENE!!!

THE KEENE PLAY!

Let's Go

HOKIES

Willis appears to understand the QB position.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

7.2 seconds to go 67 yards

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We need to complete the sakes, and save our DB's

I would love to see someone finish A sack

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If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Damn I'll drink

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Drink!

Should've taken Jones down on 1st fucking contact. Even if the call isn't reversed, at least this disrupts their rhythm.

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Willis timing and quickness making his reads has been impressive. I am not sure if he is just a bit quicker than JJ or if there is something that Duke is doing that is allowing him to make easy throws quickly.

I anticipated a down year and defensive growing pains. But damn if it still doesn't get on your nerves seeing the defense so weak.

Edit: new rule, I have to keep bitching about it all year...nice takeaway!

Many jones is thicc. we need to bring him down

Our D-linemen are literally getting form tackled

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Fumbbllllleeee and dax has it!

Chem PhD '16

Fumble recover by Dax. NICE!

That's a fumble

"Oh, I'll take that loose ball, NBD." - Dax Hollifield

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

DAAAXXX!!!!

Yep, that's a fumble

"see if it stands"? well, this is Duke, so based on the officiating already, we could lose this call too.

I don't think that'll stand, but damn that was a big hit by Dax.

Edit:nvm, just saw the replay. Looked like knee was down when I saw it live.

That last camera angle make it look like his right knee was down.

Yeah, that was a fumble. Sweet.

FUMBLEAYA. FUMBLEROOSKI. FUMBLEABABA

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Do we keep it, or is it reversed??

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The look we saw looked down

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I don't think that knee was down. It's an optical illusion with the white paint of the D.

With the one look we had it's hatd to tell

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Duke ball

"Pie is the American synonym of prosperity, and its varying contents the calendar of changing seasons. Pie is the food of the heroic. No pie-eating people can be permanently vanquished."

DUKE! :P

Dag nabbit

Chem PhD '16

The officials should be wearing blue, not Balck and White!

No pass rush at all tonight. It is going to be a long night on defense.

great tackle Floyd!!!!!

Way to go Bimbo!

Floyd is amped up!

Way to upend his azz

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I hate these refs!

SCHokie

New drinking game. Every time they mention Travon, drink!

"movement on the left side" , why did the announcers even expect a flag

Damn our DBs getting gashed.

I have seen their tackles jump a half second early numerous times tonight and no false starts

Yeah, get in his fuckin head

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And Deablo with the great play! Where was he LAST week (I Know)

Way to go Bimbo!

FUCK we really needed that pick

tackling thou

Great play by Deablo though

WHAT?!?!?! A call AGAINST DUKE??!?!

That made me a little nervous as it unfolded

We need to get pressure on the QB. He has too much time

Seems like Bud is mostly rushing 3

Got a break on that one pass.

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Finally called one of those false starts.

We need to put Jones on his arse!

SCHokie

Just getting pressure would be nice.

3 passes that we've been lucky on tonight.

someone smarter than me tell me why we are only rushing 3. to add more to the secondary?

That would be my assumption.

I'd think Jones isn't going to run as much as normal to mitigate getting hit, so the more we have in coverage the less of a chance of getting burned.

Perhaps the ends in the lineup replacing Hill aren't likely to get pressure so Bud is dropping them into zone coverage. I have seen Belmar playing the flats in zone coverage alot.

Wide left! Boom

SCHokie

YES THANK YOU FOR MISSING ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€

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ok offense, step on the gas, lets GOOOOOO

I'm going to credit Beamerball for that miss. There was some pressure there.

Get some points after that miss plz

VB born, class of '14

TD on this drive would be fantastic

Pfaff is totalling missing his blocks

God damn our run blocking is embarrassing.

Of course they will call Holding on us

What the ever loving fuck is wrong with our running game?

hey refs, Duke's been holding all game

They never call holding on Duke, and I've certainly seen some.

They need to let Hooker pass the ball too to make his presence more of a threat.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Why did McClease just run out of bounds?

Weak ass ineffective call on 2nd down.

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Maybe the reason Hooker comes in is to give extra coaching time for Willis?

Seeing guys like Brice Love and ETN make me miss RBs that can really moake plays for themselves

Willis needs to pull it and run on one of these RPO's.

Didn't like the result that last play, but I've been thinking the same thing

Pfaff wants to block on the 2nd level, totally ignoring the first guy

terrible OL play and play calling on that drive. Felt like we just gave up on the drive after the holding penalty.

Thank God for Oscar!

Way to go Bimbo!

0 blocking effort from the line on that series. Fuckin trailer shit.

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ok so i actually am not a fan of swtiching hooker in

I am, when it works. I am not, when it doesn't work. I want my cake and to eat it too.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

b/c cake is best

Looks like the oline decided to take that series off. That was awful.

Ladler made a great tackle on that punt coverage

Seeing a lot of Dax

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WHY THE FUCK DID RUN INTO HIS OWN FUCKING GUY!? WTF

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Looked like rocket league to me.

Why are we allowing their receiver to run routes past the sticks?

Hollifield in for rivers or is he hurt?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

In for Rivers. Not hurt

Holding l!!!!!!! Cmon refs, just see it both ways.
It's like we are playing Duke Basketball!

SCHokie

Coach K called them over at the last time out and told them not to call it.

We put the K in Kwality

We seriously need to evaluate play calling. 3rd and 24 should not be qb run with the second string qb. Should be pass deep enough to double as a punt

Recruit Prosim

They probably went conservative there to avoid a turnover, plus show duke a Willis run to keep them honest

Walker tackled again

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Walker flat tackled. No call.

We put the K in Kwality

wow that was aggressive

Not really. We can't stop anything on defense right now. We have no pass rush and are running a 3 man pass rush most plays right now. There is no reason to think they can't convert a 4th and 1 right now.

Fucking finally. Another stop.

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two minute drill time!

Way to go Bimbo!

Let's see Willie air one out.

We put the K in Kwality

Carroll had trouble there too

...but he didn't drop it.

We put the K in Kwality

plz let Hazelton not receive this....

We going to try to gunslinger it down the field or take the 10 pt lead into the half?

I think you have your answer. Playing NOT TO LOSE.

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Are they actually talking about Manziel giving Mayfield advice?

Yes. He's our starting QB.

We put the K in Kwality

Don't like the playcalling, almost seems like there's some frustration in trying to get the run game going. Willis is hot right now and we won't let him throw it.

I'm so fucking frustrated with the pussy ass play calling. For fucks sake try to move the ball.

Edit: Appreciate the down vote. Let me rephrase.

It is frustrating to me that we don't open up the playbook or at least let Willis throw it in that situation. He's had the hot hand and our run blocking hasn't done much. Would have been nice to get points there.

Love it when we have a hot QB who can stretch teh field and we don't even try to score with 1:20 and all three timeouts. SWEET!

I'm becoming somewhat concerned that the main objective of Fuente's offense is not to score but to just not turn the ball over. You have a hot QB throwing the ball at will. Ridiculous.

So Frank Beamer's offense?

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These announcers are idiots!

SCHokie

I don't disagree... but it could have turned out a lot worse than it did. Don't hate the conservative call in that situation with the lead

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Poor strategy by Fuente (imop). How could he not see that Cutcliffe was gonna try to get it back?

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Alright, I'm not comfortable or confident with the lead, but I'll take it.

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222 yards and 2 TDs in the half, feels like a long time since we had a line like that.

I think the coaches are overcompensating what happened last week when being aggressive before the half.

Willis played really well. I really want to see them open him up on the run though.

Offense looked good in the first half. They are keying on our run and Willis is making them pay. I think if he can keep from the costly TO we should put up another 2-3 scores in the 2nd half.

However, I think we have been fortunate on D this far. Even though we seemed to lock in better late in the 2nd quarter I expect to give up some points and yards in the 2nd half.

Agree, I just want us to come out and punch them in the mouth to start the third quarter. Just totally take any sort of wind out of their sails and put it out of reach. Foster with a three score lead will let the defense really pin its ears back.

Btw how bout Dax???? Playing like a dude!! Really pleased with Willis so far too, throws a really pretty ball. Hear he's a very cerebral quarterback

Just rewatched Keenes TD catch and run. Mega Jesus ran the whole way with him. Fastest 300 pounder I've ever seen.

One punt 3 scores a lot of no calls on the other team. Not too shabby. Was a bit concerned at the defense early but they've stiffened up a little bit.

Would like to see them get to Jones more. Have seen a few plays where Dax is spying Kones and is really just standing in front of him while Jones looks downfield to throw. I mean I get the spy but at some point attack.

Pretty pleased overall though. And really after last weeks debacle no one should be really upset.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Willis looks good but the receivers have been doing a pretty good job of running routes and getting separation to make it easier.

Using /s is for cowards.

It's nice when it works out for us (knocks fervently on wood) isn't it haha

We get the ball, score and then I can start breathing again. I need a drink!

SCHokie

I'm concerned/suspicious that we might be seeing more penalties called on us in the 2nd half.... I hope not. But I don't feel too confident.

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I kind of feel like we could be playing better, but I am not at all disappointed in what we've shown so far. Willis looks good except does one read that I saw was a little questionable to me (early, looked a little iffy from the endzone view). But other than a few minor things I'm happy. Definitely not comfortable yet.

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

Scouting ND. They look good, but beatable.
We will be pumped for that game. Who is going?

SCHokie

Yep

Not impressed with the officiating. Is the ACC using the same refs that they use for Duke's home basketball games? They seem to be missing a lot.

Nice Wheatley!

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Pulling jerseys and getting away with it.

3 and out was definitely not what we needed there

We are either march and score or 3-out! Ugh!

SCHokie

The ref just gave them an extra yard

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Ladler. Fuck.

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Good open field tackle

Edit: damn it, fuck injuries

As soon as I said that..

Ladler going out, hope it's not too serious

I always get nervous on 3rd down

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That's football bro. ๐Ÿ˜‰

No, I'm nervous that they're gonna convert on our defense.

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That's at least the 2nd time Deablo has taken a poor angle and missed that Duke WR on the sideline

Nice stop. Another false start.

SCHokie

Big stop on 4th down. Hell YEAH

LETS GO!!!!!!

The offensive line more 1/2 second before the ball was snapped.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

THANK YOU! Finally SOMETHING went right.

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Why are they measuring on these? Coach request? It is clearly short

We need a touchdown!

Let's go HOKIES!

SCHokie

or a single play ending in a TD.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

No, we need an effing score.

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make them pay for trying to go for it

that was a HUGE win for the defense.

Nice job.

Made em pay for going for that.

We have to get a TD after getting the ball on the 50. It is a win for them if we don't.

Peoples on a sweep? Who would of thought

What the hell!

SCHokie

I hate these idiot refs! Totally suck!

SCHokie

How in the ever living fuck is that grounding?

Whyd that get blown dead?

Ridiculous call

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

The spot. He got to the 3

SCHokie

FUCKIN A YEAH!!!

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Nice leg drive! Touchdown.

SCHokie

Way to overcome the stupid penalty.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Suck on that refs

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Step on the pedal, lets goooooo

I'm still upset over the grounding call. The ESPN intern doing color knows the rule book better than these officials!

really? with all the other calls, you should not be upset. It's predictable.

Now we need to start getting sacks to make this more "our" game

Willis puts such a great touch on the ball. Quick release too...

I reiterate that while Willis looks good our receiving core has been fantastic all night.

Using /s is for cowards.

These announcers are still lame...

At least they haven't called us "VAH"-Tech.

Feed PEEP

VB born, class of '14

OH FUCK YES THEY GOT HIM!!!!

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"House" Gaines? Who's that?

That is his nickname.

Ah! IWith these announcers, I was crediting them not just screwing up.

Love the pressure from 3 that series!

SCHokie

I think the Duke is looking frustrated. :>)

We know THAT feeling.

We put the K in Kwality

Great stop, but fuck if it feels like our defensive players are dropping like flies.

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Now it's time for Hazelton and Kumah. Their size should give us a great advantage.

Hazelton needs to take charge here. He is by far our most physical receiver.

HOOOOOOUSE

Did Duke play Enter Sandman right before the TD? Or was I hearing things in the broadcast?

Don't know about Sandman... But they were playing We Ready early in the game.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I really wish they wouldn't have said he was playing "Mistake Free "

Exactly. They need to STFU.

Their backup is warming up. Do I panic?

VB born, class of '14

Nope, because we were prepping for him originally.

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We can do those short passes all night!

Hooker AGAIN, Fuente? Seriously?

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The announcers said something about Willis had a problem with his shoulder pads.

...plus Hooker had played like 8 college plays. Good to get him some "real" game experience.

We put the K in Kwality

It's only good if there are positive plays. Pretty much EVERY play he's been in on has been for zilch.

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Stop running hooker every fucking play, it is a wasted play, they know it

They must have some reason for that, but they need a second type of play.

When Hooker comes in, they know he is going to run. Not a good play.

STOP ROTATING FUCKING QBS!!!

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

They just putting Hooker on film for ND?

He's not showing much

I'm good with it. We are up and he is one play away from being a starter.

Geez, you'd think that Fuente & Corn think this is the Spring game, scrimmage or some shit.

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Bud made some good adjustments for the 2nd half. Keep them guessing

Good job keeping that in bounds.

Honestly if we're gonna put Hooker in, fake a QB power and have him pull up and throw a deep ball. It's not the worst idea, and at least it wouldn't be the world's most obvious run play.

...then snap issues arrise

Another high snap?

We need a TD this drive. Then Hooker can come in for a few series

Letting him in for several series would do him good, and give him options in plays.

I hope that's just the wind getting knocked out of him

That was a really nice non-catch catch.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

The pass to Kumah was wide, With all that time, Willis should have put it in a better position to be caught.

Brilliant catch. Too bad his foot didn't land in bounds.

I swear...

By the moon and the stars in the sky?

I chuckled...

EDIT: GOT LUCKY THERE

Are we downvoting language now?

Apparently so.

Hey, whoever the fuck you are...

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

We need another 90-yard punt by OB here.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

It is ridiculous how conservative we are when Willis has shown that he's a capable passer.

Lucky we didn't lose that.

Quillen is having a good day out there.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Glad that earlier walk off holding his wrist was a non-event

TFL !!! now that's a Bud Defense we are used to.

Duke put their hooker into the game as well.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Just as predictable as when we do it.

Lane Durham is awesome!!!

Ladler fell down....

bad timing for that.

Ladder got fooled and fell down trying to recover.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

god damn it, I really hope we score on this next drive

Fuck, the offense better get SOME KIND of fucking points on this next fuck damn possession. They've played & looked like shit lately.

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We need a drive here. Points would be nice. But just a smooth, sustained, clock eating drive. Give the D some rest.

We put the K in Kwality

And that's why cornelson needs to fucking stop calling pansy-ass plays. We could've put this game away already but we let them hang around. Playing not to lose on offense every time we get a lead. So annoying

Last two drives, 9 plays for -2 yards. Hopefully our offense finds something here.

man, the run game is just so disappointing

Thank you Tre!

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Let's Go!!!!!

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

...tru wicked PI

We put the K in Kwality

That was a fabulous catch by Turner!

Great to see Tre Turner make a play like that this early in his career

i dont really get why willis doesnt get called to run it at all. i thought his legs were supposed to be good

Probably being overly cautious after losing Jackson.