Perspective on Loeffler's Tenure at Auburn

Editor's Note: Mason Naumann (Hokiefan591988) is the newest member of our team, please welcome him aboard. --Joe

The happiest day of my life is when I found out that I had been accepted into Virginia Tech. Attending this glorious institution is as important a tradition in my family as our burnt cinnamon rolls Christmas morning. (Seriously though, how hard is it to not burn cinnamon rolls? Yet every year...) My Grandfather graduated in 1954 with a bachelors, earning a masters a year later. His love for all things Hokie was infectious, and rubbed off on the entire family. My father and uncle attended Virginia Tech, as did multiple cousins, a sister, and myself. I loved everything about my time spent at Tech and I still live in Blacksburg.

I fell madly in love with football after volunteering to coach a powder puff team on campus. While desperately trying to win games, hours upon hours were spent researching offenses and defenses. Teaching the girls how to run a proper option, and watching it succeed time and again, was the best feeling in the world. Even after the season ended, I still couldn't get rid of the itch. I was hooked. I read everything I could find online about football tactics, and then started downloading playbooks and reading through those. Special thanks to Chris Brown at Smart Football, whose insightful articles taught me more about this sport than any other source.

My hope is that as I share what little knowledge I have, you'll see that football is both a simple game, as well as the most complex sport in the world. The more you know about football and the more you see the chess match between coordinators take shape and evolve, the more you enjoy watching the game. That's my only goal as a contributor at Thekeyplay, to make being a Hokie fan more fun.

Thank you Joe for giving me this opportunity, and thanks readers for having me. Let's get to it!

After watching Auburn's offensive film for my first piece, I realized that I had a lot to say about what went wrong during Loeffler's first season. Today I'm going to focus on Loeffler's play-action game, and why Auburn failed to keep defenses honest. This series will continue with articles on the short pass game, and Loeffler's intermediate to long pass game. By examining how Loeffler failed at Auburn, I want to be able to put his past season into proper perspective.

When I heard Scott Loeffler was being considered as Tech's new offensive coordinator, my reaction was similar to most Hokie fans, "Who?" No disrespect to Loeffler, but most of us were unfamiliar with his body of work. I googled him to find out who he was, what his resume looked like, etc. Like most fans, I was impressed by the hire of an SEC coordinator, but disappointed that his offense didn't have more statistical success. On CFBstats.com, Auburn was ranked 114th out of 124 teams in points per game (and also finished 116th in passing offense, and 118th in total offense). Those numbers are terrible, and frankly it speaks volumes of the reputation Loeffler has to get a job at a program with VT's profile after such a season.

There's been a lot of analysis of the hire of Loeffler (from his role in recruiting, to his ability to coach quarterbacks, to his favorite run plays, but I was interested in what, exactly, went wrong at Auburn. I've heard rumors that Gene Chizik, the ex-Auburn head coach, took a progressively larger role in the offense as the year went on because of lack of production. If true, it'll be hard to get a good grasp of where Loeffler's offensive principles failed and where Chizik's did.

By focusing on the early season games (before it became clear that Chizik was on the hot seat) we can be confident that what we are seeing on the field are Loeffler's offensive principles in action. So I decided to watch the first two games of Auburn's season (vs Clemson and Mississippi state) to figure out what went wrong.

Strong rushing attack

Whenever I analyze game tape, I always watch the entire game from start to finish twice. This allows me to get a good feel for the big picture of the game, an idea of what went wrong and what went right. Watching the Auburn offense a few things became obvious early. First is how impressive the rushing attack is when the defense chooses not to stack the box. Auburn was ranked 80th in the country in rushing, so I wouldn't have been surprised to see some schematic hiccups. Yet it was a very, very well designed scheme. Loeffler used his fullbacks to create gaps along the defensive front where there appeared to be none. As long as the defense doesn't "change the math" by dropping safeties into the box that the o-line can't account for, the running back should always have a lane to rush through.

We see here what happens when you try to play two deep safeties vs Loeffler's I-formation 2x1 personnel grouping. There is a blocker for every defender in the box, and because of the zone blocking principles in Loeffler's scheme all the RB has to do is pick a hole and he's off to the races.

5:33–5:45

The numbers just don't add up for the defense, and they get gashed.

Stacking the box

It also became crystal clear that defenses weren't interested in getting run over all game. Both Mississippi state and Clemson put extra men in the box. Clemson in particular was very, very aggressive playing the run, as exhibited here.

0:33–0:44

You can see before the snap of the ball that every Clemson defender is within six feet of the line of scrimmage, and nine of eleven defenders are located in the box with a tenth just out. The only contingency plans for a play-action pass is to put in a half-hearted cover-3 look in the secondary. Technically the FS has middle of the field responsibilities and number 21 has deep third responsibilities, but both get sucked too far inside on the run look.

At the first sign of run, 8 defenders crash the line of scrimmage, and the FS doesn't get enough depth to help on any downfield routes the WR may run.

Mississippi State doesn't stack the box through alignment as dramatically as Clemson does, but the Bulldogs played their run reads with so much reckless abandon that it had the same effect. On this play, even with Auburn in shotgun the field CB (number 9 on the bottom of the screen), with no regard for any play action responsibilities, sprints forward in run support within Frazier's first two steps.

2:21–2:33

While the CB doesn't make the stop, it doesn't bode well for Auburn's rushing attack out of the shotgun. We'll see later how a CB who crashes the LOS at the first sign of run can destroy a drive.

4:20–4:29

This time Frazier hands the ball off to the RB, and a Mississippi State CB sells out vs the run again. He's so aggressive that he gets the angle on the Auburn WR who is forced to choose between letting his responsibility run straight past him, or hold him. The WR chooses to hold and Auburn is pushed back ten yards.

The aggressiveness on this next play is almost comical. Watch the CB on the top of the screen. He's sold out on run support when Frazier is still five yards away from handing the ball off! The wide receiver he leaves is now wide open if he were to go out for a pass. Even if a safety rotates over on the back end, the safety would have a bad angle and would be one-on-one.

3:07–3:17

Mississippi State's aggressiveness is probably best summed up in this picture though.

Auburn lines up under center on 2nd down with 11 yards to go to get a first. This is a classic passing down, but Mississippi State doesn't bother giving Frazier's arm any respect. The Bulldogs immediately drop a safety to put 8 in the box. Keep in mind that Auburn is in the red zone, so any mistake in single coverage will likely result in a touchdown. Mississippi State apparently doesn't mind taking that risk and when Auburn fails to audible out of it's run play, and they get promptly stuffed.

The Response

As offensive coordinator, it's Loeffler's job to see these overreactions and force the defense to change their game plan or suffer severe consequences. If he's as inept as last season's offensive numbers suggest, he'll either fail to recognize the problem or he'll fail to have a play in the toolkit to get the job done. Studying the game film, it's undeniable that Loeffler knows exactly what to do and exactly how to do it.

2:58–3:07

A perfectly timed, perfectly drawn up, and perfectly executed deep play-action pass vs single man-on-man coverage. Let's take a look at what happened.

The cornerback and the safety line up over the WR's. Like the previous play, they have Cover-3 responsibilities. The CB on the strong side of the formation has two responsibilities, protect the outer edge on a zone stretch to the boundary and take any deep routes to his side of the field. Knowing that stacked WR's will often have one run an inside route and the other run an outside route, the safety will take any middle of the field route and the CB will take the receiver closest to the sideline.

The play opens up with Frazier turning to fake a hand off to the RB while the o-line takes a side step toward their left. We know from French's work that this is the same sequence of events for a normal outside zone stretch run, and the Clemson linebackers and run support safety react accordingly. The strong side CB stays close to the LOS in case it's a cutback play, and he has coverage responsibilities for the fullback (who is pass blocking the backside). Loeffler was able to deduce the secondary's coverage rules from previous plays and does a beautiful job attacking it with properly spaced routes.

The inside receiver runs a dig to the middle of the field. The safety runs with him, which serves to further isolate the CB. All the outside receiver has to do is beat his man one on one, an opportunity every wide receiver dreams about. Emory Blake runs at his man, waits for him to come out of his backpedal, throws a double move (flag-post combo) at him and walks into the end zone. The cornerback had no chance.

Players Must Make Plays

So Clemson just got beat over the top for a 50+ yard play-action bomb. They have to adjust their defense and start playing less aggressively vs the run, right? Not even close. Clemson keeps selling out on the run, and Loeffler tries to keep them honest but his play-action game just doesn't have enough consistency.

8:36–8:46

One-on-one coverage vs two separate WR's, and the QB can't make the throw. Frazier's WR does a good job at getting outside leverage on the CB. He's open and Frazier simply misses. If Loeffler's offensive system is going to work, the QB HAS to hit wide open receivers. Sadly, it becomes obvious that Kiehl Frazier couldn't.

17:10–17:19

With no repercussions for selling out to stop the run, Clemson and Mississippi State were able to shut Auburn down.

What does this mean for Tech?

Poor Loeffler. There is nothing worse than having the right play called vs the right defense, and seeing it fail because your personnel just aren't good enough. This is the theme of Auburn's offense and it's seen over, and over, and over. Loeffler exhibits good play design, a very good intuition on when to use play-action, and a firm grasp on route packages. The old saying is true though. Jimmys and Joes matter more than X's and O's, and at the end of the day Loeffler's Joes weren't good enough to beat the other teams' Jimmys.

At Virginia Tech, success should come much easier for Loeffler. Frank Beamer prefers an offense with a strong rushing attack complemented by a passing game capable of punishing aggressive defenses. Loeffler won't have to worry about his boss looking over his shoulder and second guessing his decisions like Chizik was rumored to do, Beamer said as much in the introductory press conference. (The fact that Loeffler and Grimes found work at a very good football program quickly after the season ended, while Chizik is still unemployed says a lot). Further helping his case, the talent pool that Loeffler has to draw from will be much deeper than that at Auburn.

Which brings me to the centerpiece of Loeffler's offense. I am a firm believer in Logan's abilities. He played badly last year, you won't get any argument from me there. But, Thomas had plenty of bright moments throughout the season, and even on his worst days he played better than Frazier. Thomas will see simpler pass defenses on early downs then he did last year and he'll be throwing to receivers who are running better packaged routes. It'll be exciting to see how Loeffler's rushing game does against ACC opponents who won't be able to stack the box without facing the threat of an NFL arm throwing over their heads.

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Great first article, really glad to have you as a contributor. Two questions:

1. You basically surmise that Keihl Frazier isn't very good. Loeffler will have had as much time with LT as he had with Frazier. How much of Frazier not being good is on Loeffler? That last pass, Frazier doesn't set his feet because of the unblocked man and sails it. That could have been any game of LT's last year. I know LT is inherently better than Frazier, but doesn't "Keihl Frazier isn't very good" represent a poor mark on Loeffler to some degree?

2. You said that VT has more talent than Auburn. Which positions? My memory of that Auburn team (which is mostly taken from that Clemson game) is that they had a couple of very good backs (better than ours?) and a couple of solid WR's (better than all of our non-Cole WR's?) and a really, really good TE (whereas we are generally pretty green at the position). I can't speak to their OL, but if it wasn't as good as VT's, then that is more on Grimes since he built that OL over years. Can you clarify how VT has more talent than Auburn last year on offense? (Please! Make me feel better about our Offensive talent! It will make summer that much better!)

I really don't think Frazier's terrible performance last year is on Loeffler. As you pointed out, Loeffler had about as much time with him as with LT... which is to say, not much. And while Frazier is a great athlete, he really is just a terrible quarterback. LT is much more in the mold of what Loeffler would like to have in a QB. Frazier didn't give him much to work with.

I'm not sure about the more talent comment either. We clearly have more talent at QB, but other than that I'm not sure. Auburn did not have a good OL last year, so maybe you should be worried about Grimes. Not that I really am at this point. Auburn's OL was very young, so I'm not sure if talent or experience was more to blame. But why were they so young? There must have been some key recruiting misses. Hopefully we don't repeat that.

The thing to remember with Frazier is that he was recruited to run the hurry-up style spread offense, which is vastly different from what Loeffler runs. That doesn't mean he's bad, he was asked to run a system that doesn't fit his style. I think it is fair to say that Logan is better equipped to succeed in Loeffler's system than Frazier (that doesn't mean he will).

Loeffler will have to find a way to mask the deficiencies along the Oline and that worries me more than LT, as does the development & health of the WRs. A lot of things have to come together for the offense to be consistent this year (I won't use the word successful as I really don't know yet one will define "success" for this offense). It will be interesting to watch

you nailed it there. Frazier was recruited to run Malzahn's system a la Cam Newton which is nowhere near the more pro-style that Loeffler runs

I think the major difference between Frazier and Thomas is simple. Thomas has shown he can make those throws, and Frazier hasn't.

You can teach a dog new tricks, but you can't teach him to speak English. Loeffler had the impossible task of trying to fit an athlete into a pro-style offense. The only qualms I have with his job at Auburn was why did he bother to start Frazier? Loeffler had to have known that Frazier didn't have the goods to deliver the throws he was asked to, was there nobody else on the roster he could have turned too? I hope internal politics played a roll in this decision.

To answer your second question, I do think that Tech's offensive talent this season will be better then Auburn's was last year. Auburn had a very good TE, but he wasn't a game breaker. None of Auburn's running backs stood out to me as exceptional, and Edmunds could easily be better then any on Auburn's roster. WR's are a wash for now (although I was underwhelmed by Auburn's WR's, considering how ineffective they were against undermanned secondaries), but Tech's young crew could be very good. It wasn't too long ago that Tech started 3 freshmen vs Maryland in a game midway through the season. At that point, no Tech WR had caught a TD pass. Those WR's? Danny Coale, Jarret Boykin, and Dyrell Roberts. I expect big things from Knowles, Stanford, and Caleb moving forward.

Quarterback is the most important position in sports. If you have the better QB, you have a chance to win. If you don't, you'd better be stacked everywhere else. I'm extremely bullish on Logan Thomas's upcoming season, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the first overall choice in the draft. His skill set is that special.

It's going to be up to Loeffler and Logan to tap into that potential. If they do, I expect great things from this squad next year.

He probably started Frazier for the same reason we started Glennon in '07 (or Tyrod in '08, for that matter). Sometimes you just don't have a whole lot to work with.

Thanks, that does make me feel better. I agree, Logan can be the #1 pick and could go for 35+ total TD's this year. I like Stanford a lot but have my concerns about Knowles and I wasn't expecting Caleb to be contributing this year.

From memory, Auburn had RB's better suited for their previous scheme....more JCC types. I assume Edmunds is well suited for Loeffler's plan.

Auburn had good Rb's but not SEC-type game changers. They made good enough reads (although maybe a little inconsistent), but in the first 3 games I never saw anything that made my jaw drop.

I'm not predicting Edmunds is going to be great (I'm probably a little less optimistic about him then others. I think he could be very good, but his running style reminds me of David Wilson's... without Wilson's elite speed) but I wouldn't be flabbergasted if he turned into one of the better ACC RB's.

I'm not as bullish on Trey Edmunds as most are, either. He's an upright runner, and I was not impressed with his ability to get tough yards after contact in the spring. I also did not see enough of him choosing the right hole to plant his foot and explode through in the zone scheme. We'll see.

Case in point in the spring game: after Stanford's long completion that put the 1st team offense in a 1st and goal situation, Trey could not punch it in after 3 attempts. One of those attempts was blocked perfectly, putting Trey one-on-one with Brandon Facyson. That's exactly how it is designed, and it's a matchup our RBs need to win every single time. Unfortunately, Trey did not win in the spring game, and Alabama's defense will be better than our 2nd-string D. (Not to take anything from Brandon, who we all know played lights out).

All I can say is everyone needs to be patient with this new staff. They're making the right calls as far as development and personnel, but they need to be given time to let their coaching make its mark.

VT is not a program fit for the Spread Attack. Lefty & Company are implementing the type of offense that best fits the Hokies.

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Great read! Makes me MUCH more confident in the new hire!

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Definitely a great addition to the staff. Great read, definitely excited to see this team on the field with the lights on.

Great work and welcome to the team!

Here is a very basic take on Loeffler. As I said when the hire was made, the numbers at Auburn were deceiving. Auburn had a very effective running game consistantly throughout the season. Both tailbacks averaged over 5 yards per carry, even facing 8 man fronts. The design of the passing game lead to guys being wide open. As Mason noted, Keihl Frazier could not hit water if he fell out of a boat.

And there lies the concern. Scot Loeffler was hired by Auburn to take a spread, read option focused offense and transition it to a pro-style offense. It failed because he couldn't get Frazier up to snuff. Now, he has been hired to Virginia Tech to transition from a read option offense to a pro-style offense. Will Logan Thomas be good, or will he be Frazier? That is the question that most of us will focus on this year.

Yet, as I discussed with TheKeyPlay last night, Loeffler isn't tide to Thomas. Thomas, for all his skills, has been and continues to be a great athlete playing QB... a project. Loeffler's legacy will have little to do with the success of Thomas. Loeffler will be measured by "the guy" after Thomas, be it Bucky Hodges, David Cornwell, Jacob Park, or someone we have not spotted yet.

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Loeffler will be measured by "the guy" after Thomas

If he's around that long. Two things: Obviously if he succeeds, he will have a chance to jump back to the SEC or maybe even to the NFL. Secondly, there was something wonky about his contract like Auburn is paying him $200K+ the next few years and VT only paid like $250K. Well, when that Auburn subsidy runs out, will we pay him to stay? Will we have the cash for two $500K+ coordinators? If Loeffler doesn't succeed wildly but just exists, will we invest the $500K in him? His contract basically set him up for a trial run at VT.

don't worry too much about the contract. Why should VT pay him more now if that money is essentially just going to Auburn (Loeffler would make the same amount, but Auburn's subsidy responsibilities would decrease)? To do so would be silly / incompetent. Wait and see what happens when the subsidy runs out.

when they finally announced Loefller's hire, they touched on the contract payments. I dont have the link, sorry. I think SL will be making like $600k/year. When Auburn's commitment runs out, VT pays the full amount - and I'm pretty sure that's a couple years from now. So if Loefller is worth keeping, VT pays him around $600k, and if he's not, then they let him go.

So if Loefller is worth keeping, VT pays him around $600k

Yeah, that's my question. If Loeffler is worth $600K, will VT fork out $600K for two Coordinators? And a very highly paid OL Coach?

The extra $350k (?) is about .5% of the $66.9 mil in revenue grossed in 2012. IF (big IF) Loeffler proves to be as valuable to our program as Bud is, then I expect the athletic department to pay the man.

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if he's as good as bud, we'll have that trophy case full within a few years

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Couldn't agree more, oh wise and all-seeing French. Loeffler needs to select the right QB to start out of the possible bodies at that position and then develop him to execute the offense that Loeffler runs. Logan is a "one and done" project, but the next 2 QB's will determine Loeffler's ability to train and deploy the best man to lead the VT offense that Loeffler is installing.

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I agree that if Thomas has a repeat of last season, the blame will fall on him instead of Loeffler.

The schematic transition for Tech will be much easier then the transition was at Auburn. Tech has a long history of operating under center and in I-formation... Auburn had almost no-one on scholarship who was recruited for that game plan. Logan has had success (see, 2011) as a pro-style quarterback.

IMO Thomas's struggles stemmed from a lack of confidence/momentum/swagger due to being put in bad positions by his offensive staff. The offense had little chance to succeed last year. Stiney and Co made a VERY poor decision to implement a large number of pistol concepts which they didn't fully commit to. They wanted to run Pistol plays as well as keep almost the entire playbook from before. It made about as much sense as Stiney deciding he wanted to run some Paul Johnson flexbone... 12 times a game. You either commit to it or you don't, because as a staff you only have so many hours a week with your players. It's better to be great at four things then average at 20.

Agree. The offensive braintrust really put Thomas in a position to fail last year, and it seems his confidence has suffered from it.

It's possible I'm reading into this, but I feel like LT3 cares way too much about what the fans think too. As the team struggled last season there were a few times when he brought up the fans and our opinions. Then there were the spring game post-presser. And this is the reading into part, it seemed like our opinions mattered to him / we were in his head. If that's true, I hope he can avoid both the praise and criticism, and just play his game.

There were many unfair expectations the fan base had for him last season, and I want nothing more than to see him bounce back.

Originally, I actually thought that the switch to the spread read/option would benefit Thomas greatly. He ran a similar style in high school (read option, biggest guy keeps and runs over people). Those thoughts ended when I saw how they tried to incorporate the pistol into the spread. The footwork, which Thomas clearly struggled with (especially on the spin hand-off) messed him up from day 1, and he didn't recover.

Is Logan quick enough (big difference between fast and quick) to effectively run bootlegs? Can he read the defense well enough to sit back in a pro style pocket, especially with a shakey defensive line? If he is, that will cover up a bunch of flaws.

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This doesn't impress me as a competition....more like a complementary addition. Like having a great wide receiver AND a great running back. Welcome, and thanks for the analysis, Mason!

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At this point, I'm so ready to see some competition, I pretended two old people in the grocery store were racing each other down an isle. I even did some commentary in my head. 101 days....

This article helps to quell the lump that formed in my throat following the shitfest known as the spring game. Excellent analysis. Let's hope LT3's issues last year remain just that and prevent any further comparison to Kiehl Frazier.

PS: I'm officially nominating "Loeffler's Joes weren't good enough to beat the other teams' Jimmys," to win the 2013 TKP award for Inadvertent Hilarious Line of the Year. Kudos, sir.

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Acceptance speech?

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Pretty off topic, but why/how were Clemson and Auburn both in their home jerseys during that game?

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If both teams agree (and approved by the home teams conference), they can both wear the coloured Jersey as long as they are of contrasting colours

The white/coloured jersey rule is a remnant of black & white TVs so viewers at home would be able to differentiate the teams. With colour (and HDTV) now, it's not nearly as much of an issue.

Obviously, if each team's home colour is similar, then one will have to where road whites.

more: http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/8/25/991593/new-rules-for-coll...

I appreciate this column by the new member. I know some fans got sour on Loeffler in a hurry when they heard/read Loeffler's number at Auburn.

As French so eloquently noted, Auburn was a clustertruck from the start, and it's squarely on Chizik's shoulder. One dazzling year with Cam and two All-Americans linemen on offense (correct me if I am wrong), with Michael Dyer, Chizik could not continue the train going after Cam left. I remember Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports saying that he always thought Chizik was the worse coach Auburn hired, ate his words when Auburn won it all, and then basically had a "I told you so" column.

Based on what I have observed attending the scrimmages and the spring game, Thomas looks far more improved than with O'Cain. Yet, I have to agree that Thomas is a project. Now, the question is, if Beamer had hired Loeffler when Thomas first arrived, would Thomas be a bit more polished? I don't think we can discuss or speculate because O'Cain was hired to coach Tyrod and correct the "hitch" in Tyrod's motion.

I feel more comfortable with Loeffler than I did with Stinespring because Loeffler is not interested in throwing the book at the players. Loeffler is interested in getting the fundamentals down pat, and it is clear that Grimes, Moorehead, and Shane Beamer are fully on-board with it. I think that was the biggest mistake Stinespring/O'Cain did that doomed the offense last season.

Rather than to build on the successful 2011 season, Stinespring royally fucked it up by installing the Pistol and adding some more spread elements and it completely destroyed the offensive' identity. O'Cain was not a stellar playcaller either, but I don't know if it is because of the awkward arrangement of having Stiney up in the booth with O'Cain. Look, I was a big proponent of the Pistol because I felt with Tyrod and Ryan Williams/Darren Evans/David Wilson backfield would have been devatasting, but with Thomas, it is different. Thomas is not as quick as Tyrod. Thomas is more of a diesel engine that needs time to warm up, but when he is hot, boy does he truck folks right and left.

With Loeffler's track as a quarterback coach, I feel more confident that Thomas will at least be worthy of an NFL look in the next Draft. It is clear to me from reading Thomas' comments to the media he have fully embraced Loeffler and is very, very comfortable with his style of coaching. To me, that is the most important ingredient to the well-oiled offense.

I have the feeling that Grimes is going to surprise the hell out of us this fall. I know we are all a bit concerned with the fluidity of the offensive line, but with Ryan Pugh as the GA and his experience in running the offense, I think the offense line are eventually going to chew and spit out the opposing team defenses around October-November.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

great article im glad youre part of the staff

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Awesome read, thanks Mason! I'm excited to see what Loeffler can do this season, especially after seeing this. I feel like we have been on the flip side of the coin for years; we've had the talent but the play calling hasn't been there (outside of "let Tyrod scramble and make something happen"...) to take advantage of it.

Being a glass half full kind of guy, I'm pumped to see what happens when all of the pieces fall into place. I hope it happens this year with Logan under center, but being a Hokie has taught me to be patient (see empty trophy case), and I'm willing to wait for the 'next guy' if need be.

Enjoyed the read. What really stuck out to me was what you said about the cinnamon rolls. Really, every Christmas? So how hard is it not to burn cinnamon rolls? Personally, id just go to cinnabon. There is still one across from the VT library, right?

RIP cinnabon its a dunkndonuts now...nowhere near as good me and my friend used to gorge on those things on a daily basis my freshman year :'(

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

I will never forget the moment during my freshman year when one of the girls down the hall shouted, "There are HOW MANY calories in one of those?!?" Then everyone left for the gym.

My wife had the same reaction when we had a T.J. Cinnamons here in Cville. Gawd, I miss those cinnamon rolls...

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Accurate analysis. Never buy donuts from a Scotsman

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If you're ever up in the Great Lakes area or Canada, Tim Horton's is great too.

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Uh, just came thru Charleston, WV yesterday and there is a Tim Horton's there...."Movin' on up".....

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Oh man...I lived in the townhouses (Clover Valley) on the other side of the woods from Carol Lee. On the first Football Saturday of the Fall (that VT wasn't playing), I would go to Carol Lee's in the morning and get a dozen donuts, come back and watch Game Day/Football all day while eating donuts and drinking milk. Sometimes I would share them with my roommates.

The best was going right before they closed for the night. They would give you a box for a couple bucks and you could fill it up.

erroneous. i'm not aware of Krispy Kreme having the Blueberry Cake donut, nor the apple n' spice.

The Blueberry Cake is absolutely amazing. Apple N' Spice is damn good too. I mean, putting apple pie filler in a donut, C'MON!!!

Sidenote: "C'Mon" to be read in your best Gob Bluth voice

#38-0 #BeatBama

I'm buying from this guy... somebody put some Hokie kit on the man...

Pete Schweddy knows the deal.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"