We lost to Maryland

If anything this team is inconsistent. Apologies in advance for typos as I am writing on my phone at a reverse tailgate.

This season Tech has figured out to beat good teams, and lose to average ones. It's been both a bumpy and enjoyable ride.

Walking out of Lane, I thought about the loss and the reasons for it. I couldn't peg one thing. There were breakdowns on special teams, the defense couldn't bottle up C.J. Brown early, pass protection was sketchy, etc...

I thought for sure the Miami blowout would be catalyst for a trip to Charlotte. Unfortunately, this team seems on a path for 8-or-so wins, like many of us thought in August. Change is tough, and rebuilding doesn't happen overnight.



It's always a great day to be a Hokie

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

Thanks. We need to find a way to redeem them towards points on the field.

It's always a great day to be a Hokie

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

My exact reaction except I punched my floor... Not my wisest decision

Hokie Hokie Hokie high

Sums up my reaction when that ball crossed the pylon.

"Everyone has the will to win, but not everyone has the will to prepare to win"

Man, that is THE perfect gif for any given moment watching the Hokies play.

This this and this.

Sometimes the idea that everyone on Earth isn't a Hokie fan is ludicrous to me. But if that were true there'd be an awful lot of idiots rooting for us.

How was the tailgate, joe?

It's always a great day to be a Hokie

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

The fact that we keep losing games we shouldn't is on the coaches. Sure, the offensive line played awful in many passing situations, but your team has to be prepared, and we were definitely not prepared for this game in all three phases of the game, just like in the Boston College and Duke games. It goes beyond this season, though. How about the JMU game? How about both Clemson games in 2011? How about the UNC game in 2009? How about Boston College and Georgia Tech in 2006? Miami 2005, the entire 2003 season except for maybe two or three games, along with 2002. We are notorious for losing games that we should NEVER lose or lose in the way we lose them. That's on the coaching staff, and it has all happened under Frank Beamer. Just saying.

I love Virginia Tech, regardless of the outcome of every game.

Yeah, but so has 10+ win seasons, acc championships, bowl victories, etc. There's a lot more wins at VT thanks to Frank Beamer than there are losses.


Agreed. It's on the coaches when they refuse to roll Logan out and continue to drop him back and allow the pocket to collapse right in his face. Although there were a few screens to avoid the pressure, they were poorly executed. Except for the nice edmunds one in the 1Q.

The lack of preparedness also shows up in bowl games. After four weeks off, other teams come in primed and pumped for action. After four weeks off, VT comes in rusty. That is coaching.

So you're saying we'll find our new groove? I can dig it. It just takes time.

What a delightfully optimistic take on that gif

Ok this exchange made me a happy. Thank you guys

Carry Me Back

Leg, for your signature quote!

"Everyone has the will to win, but not everyone has the will to prepare to win"

After the game I have had multiple friends and family get mad at me for not texting them or talking to them and they say I shouldn't be in a bad mood over a game and shouldn't let it worry the weekend. I responded to all of them saying, "Well I guess that means you guys aren't real sports fans, real fans don't get over losses right after they happen." This is why I love TKP so much, it is filled with real Tech fans that get super excited over wins and bad moods over losses.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Gotta agree with your friends on this one. It's one thing if you've got a truly great team with legitimate title hopes. BC in 2007 was a weekend ruining type of event. Losing to Boise with such a talented team and lofty preseason ranking was tough to get over. Those games were devastating.

This is not a truly great team. The offense and special teams are inconsistent to put it nicely. When the defense doesn't rise to the occasion, this is what happens. I don't expect to lose to Duke, BC or Maryland. I'm not happy about it, but I'm not throwing things and isolating myself from society. I don't think these things make someone less of a fan, just a difference in priorities I suppose.

You know what gashes me the most, the fact that we were 15-15 dead even split in the all-time series and primed to take control of it while at the same time sending them on their way out with a loss without a bowl win. Tell, WHEN THE FUCKING HELL ARE WE GONNA GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO PLAY THEM JUST TO EVEN THE FUCKING SERIES AGAIN!?!? Our motto should be "Virginia Tech: if you wanna qualify for a bowl game just play them." I need a fucking drink.


Hey man, don't start with me. We've all got shit that pisses us off and makes us tick. I've got my shit and you've got yours and the world keeps on spinning. But I'm not gonna forget this or let it go until it's corrected.


Easy tiger - I'm completely the opposite. Totally apathetic about the terps. Who cares? It's Maryland.

I miss Stick it In

You don't understand, a team that is statistically inferior to us has a BETTER RECORD AGAINST US THAN WE DO THEM. Does that not upset you? Does that not disturb that natural and universal order of existence? The answer is "yes." Yes it absolutely does. It is WRONG. It is INCORRECT. It is INAPPROPRIATE. And it must be corrected last year or now.


That all-time record stat is useless. Most of our matchups against MD occurred before 1950, when VT wasn't exactly good at football. Beamer is 5-2 all-time against MD, 5-1 when we're both members of the ACC. "Statistically inferior" is also hardly an argument, because if we based everything on stats, there would be no need to play. The undefeateds would stay undefeated and the weak would stay weak.

It hurts, no doubt. And we can't quite pin this on any one party of the game (though some of the play calling absolutely killed me)

But hey, I'll take a win over UVA in two weeks and an 8 win season...

But hey, I'll take a win over UVA in two weeks and an 8 win season...

These are the statements that usually bother me the most. I feel like so often we as a fan base just "settle." Yes, 10 win season and bowl games are what most teams strive for, but I feel like we just 'settle' for those. When we lose, we justify. I just wish we'd start getting pissed off and demand more of our team rather than settle and justify.

Haha sorry for venting at your post, definitely upset by this game. No hard feelings towards you because I still do agree, I'd love to kick the shit out of UVA.


Thing is though we do get pissed off. It's just that we don't lose our fucking minds and break down like your average entitled fan. It's all in how we direct our energy. I am really upset about this game. It just seemed like the team wasn't disciplined, and discipline is the thing that our team has traditionally been all about.

But I don't scream and rage and stop rooting for the team after a loss.

I wish I could give you a million turkey legs for this. I agree 100%. I think the problem is that the coaches don't get pissed after a loss like this. It's happened quite a few times under Beamer. We have lost some games that we should have never lost. I understand you can't win them all but we have dropped the ball a few times. I actually was watching highlights from the National title game against fsu and the sugar bowl against auburn last night. Amazing talent on both those teams and we came up short. Not saying this years team is talented as them because its def no comparison. I think this falls directly on the coaches for not having our players ready since the start of the season and it's continued up to this point. When you don't have the talent you have to coach them up its that simple.

I believe that if the coaches would get as upset as us fans do after a loss like this, I believe things would change. Until we get more talent I fear it will be the same mediocrity as these last two years.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

You're right, the coaches didn't have the players ready at the start of the season. Because half of them were new. And they were trying to install systems and concepts that haven't existed at all under previous coaches. Comparing this team to the ones you mentioned is a little ridiculous.

Things aren't going to be pretty when you make such major coaching changes. In fact, I think it's impressive we're sitting at 7-4 right now.


I didn't compare this years team to those teams, I even said it in my post. It doesn't matter how new the players are, it's up to the coaches to get them ready. I dont care how you slice it.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

And if you talked to those coaches, they would ask you for patience. These things don't happen that quickly. I know all everyone wants anymore is simply instant gratification, but you can't have it.


And I would ask those coaches where has our recruiting been? Non existent is what is has been. We have lost on many talented players to UVA, bama, etc.. It all ties back into the same thing. Now I u durst and 5 stars and blue chips don't mean everything but they mean something. Most of them pan out. Just ask bama, and al, their titles. I hate bama w a passion but they do what it takes to win titles consistently.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

I wouldn't say non-existent...but if you want to go back to recruiting with your complaints about the coaching- then maybe I should point out these new coaches are putting together one heck of a recruiting class. Again, you have to be patient.


13 years is a long time to be patient. That's the last time we made it to the national title game. The sec has been the past 7 years. Something needs to be done about this. The sec is the measuring stick and we ain't really stacking up. Except for fsu but if their qb gets arrested or cut the. They are probably done.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Sigh, I've said this before many times, as have others on this site. Changes have been made. If you weren't paying attention, we hired three new offensive coaches. I'm asking you to be patient so those changes can take effect.


+1 to offset the apparent rage neg :-)

I've said the same thing a few times - this is akin to a head coach change and our expectations for this year need to be tempered with understanding the reality of the situation. We've missed on recruiting in key positions for several seasons. The cure to our ills is recruiting, recruiting is a multi-year process. The guys that we've landed in 2013 won't even enroll until 2014 and possibly not play until 2015 depending on red-shirts and development. The requisite changes have been made now we need to let them make the corrections.

You don't hand a guy a tire fire and then complain that he didn't get it put out immediately.

Just being a devils advocate but the Boston Red Sox went from worst to first this past year. Hell look at Auburn for something a little closer. I agree with you but saying it can't be done isn't true either.

Just trying to lighten the mood.

I agree, it's not impossible, but it certainly isn't simple. It's going to be hard enough for VT to rebuild and yet from some of the comments it seems like we're supposed to be a top team right now. It will be a couple more years before we develop enough talent in a coherent system.

Ok, so your point apparently is that replacing all the offensive staff was insufficient. The AD is getting changed out.
We have HC and all the defense left.
Is it your position that since the offense isn't sufficiently better in their first year that we need to replace the HC?

In a hypothetical, let's say the team isn't top 10 next year.
What would you recommend then? I suppose replacing the defense is the only thing left or, am I missing something.

I would prefer to give the offense another 2 years to prove they are effective or to at least determine which parts are or are not working and tweak that.

I understand you want it now but, I think that's not realistic. I think realistic is one more year of transition and 2015 to be the season of reckoning.

Danny caught that ball.

Friends don't let 5 star friends commit to UVA.

Nope. Not my point at all. At the beginning of the year I thought that this was going to be a tough year. I fell into a false sense of believing this team was further along than it was after the 6 straight wins. The loss yesterday was at least for me the final realization that we aren't as far along as the 6 wins otherwise pointed towards. I was merely trying to play devil's advocate and show that it is possible. Then try to put humor into conversation with a meme. That's about it. I haven't called for any coaching changes at all. I think that is completely ludacris. But the point is that it isn't impossible.

Thanks for trying to inject the humor, it went right over my head.

Danny caught that ball.

Friends don't let 5 star friends commit to UVA.

Bingo. 2015 could be really special. Look at all the contributions we're getting on defense from new kids, with two years of prep for our current crop of recruits we could really shine in 2015, just in time for our OOC schedule to improve significantly. There are a lot of potential marquee matchups coming in the next few years. The future is bright - that's a hell of a lot better than looking back at the past and complaining about things that weren't changed after the fact. It is what it is.

That is correct, Sir!

Please, no pushing and shoving, the line for new Sunglasses forms right over there.

Danny caught that ball.

Friends don't let 5 star friends commit to UVA.

Of course, it's a standard feature.

BTW, it's been determined that rose colored lenses are not necessary.
Available special as Lefties and Foster-Grimes.

Danny caught that ball.

Friends don't let 5 star friends commit to UVA.

Auburn shows me that Loeffler was either too stubborn or not talented enough to at least attempt a system where his players could be successful there.

They are the exact same roster more or less as last year and have 1 loss in the best division in college football.

his hands were tied. the hc there wanted him running a system that didn't fit his philosophy. football is much more complicated than most of us are willing to admit. if you're running a system you don't know, you are screwed.

You have to remember that Auburn already had the players for the offense that Malzahn runs. He was only gone for one year. Made it easier for him to hit the ground running, or throwing as the case may be!

Pro sports with playoffs and no graduation are completely different from college... but I see what you're after.

Auburn's an entirely different situation too.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

then maybe I should point out these new coaches are putting together one heck of a recruiting class

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. As of right now, we are ranked in the 20s, and 4th or 5th place in the ACC. It's not like we're pulling an Ole Miss (last year) or Tennessee.

And Virginia tech has consistently shown they value their own grades they give recruits, not the stars from rivals or espn that everyone thinks are the keys to filling your trophy cases with national championship after national championship. Look what all those classes have done for Tennessee or Ole Miss. Or look at uva for that matter.

Me, I'd rather have a good solid class of players the coaches like in the positions we need.


Yes, I agree that recruiting sites aren't 100% accurate, but they are a decent indicator of elite talent. I was just trying to provide some perspective, because every fan of every team can see a lot of potential in their recruiting class. If you look more objectively at this, you'll see that we haven't really improved that much this year in terms of recruiting relative to previous years. With the plethora of talent in VA this year, some would argue that it should have been much better. We can no longer rely on the recruiting surge that Michael Vick provided - that era is over. We've had an edge even on offensive recruiting back then, but now we need to be prepared to win games without relying on talent. It is a little delusional to claim that we are having a heck of a recruiting class.

It's a heck of a recruiting class for this reason: There's a fucking plan.


*group hug*

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

Living on the TN/VA state line and am way too excited for 2016.

You all may have different opinions on this, but I like to see the new coaches unhappy with the performance and taking it badly.


God I fuckin love this guy. By far the brightest spot on our offensive staff right now. We need to keep this guy at all costs

I love the tickle of Dickel in my belly

Anybody else notice Moorehead is following 757 twitter accounts?

Danny caught that ball.

Friends don't let 5 star friends commit to UVA.

I hate losing to Edsall. That guy's a total jerk. Having said that, Duke is beating the Canes right now, and if that holds up, the game today might not really matter that much outside of our final record. This team is maddeningly inconsistent, but you know what? I still love them. Lets go kick the crap out the hoos and end this year on a high note. Go Hokies!

I miss Stick it In

I blame the loss on the wave. 4th quarter, 4 minutes left, potential game winning drive, on offense, and Logan takes a sack during the wave. Coincidence? I think not.


That wave was irritating. North End Zone was full for the most part the whole game, but that wave...not cool North End Zone.

I sit in NEZ right below the Vick banner and I was screaming at the top of my lungs to stop when they were trying to get it started. Everyone in the surrounding sections sure heard me screaming bloody murder but continued the wave until the sack. I was pissed.

Off topic, but I've got to give a shout out to Duke. The ACCCG might be ugly, but that team has had one hell of a year. Congrats to all of them

I am totally OK with Duke going to the ACCCG... better them than ThugU! I am amused that they're doing the "Hey hey goodbye" song at Duke... and it's not Cameron Indoor.

Of course as I type this I'm now hearing "We want Bama" and I'm about ready to take all the above back...

Achievement unlocked: All of the Fullers

Though the chants of " We want Bama" might be a bit much.

Yea, that may just be a bit of parody (I hope). If they were saying "We want Jameis," I would be cracking up. Duke fans, demanding a match-up with FSU? Insane. #goacc

Either it was parody, or those were seasoned basketball fans who forgot what sport they were attending. But yeah, Duke has pretty much had the year I was hoping VT would have.

Not to sound optimistic, but if Duke loses a game (which doesn't appears likely after today), VT still wins some of the tiebreaker scenarios. If it is not VT though, congrats to Duke!


OK who bought a ticket to Charlotte?!?! You obviously jinxed us!

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We are still going to end up in Charlotte, for better or worse.

I don't really know what to say about this. I thought Logan played fine (0 turnovers). I thought the running game was fine. I thought the receivers were fine. I thought the defense was fine outside of their weekly drive or two where they just totally fall asleep and can't stop a nosebleed, but regardless they kept us in the game more than enough times. The only huge problem I thought was the OLine, which was TERRIBLE today. I just didn't expect us to lose like this, we've only lost this year when the offense completely shit the bed which I didn't think was the case today. I didn't really think anyone shit the bed today, Maryland just came out and played like they wanted it.

One thing I noted today is how bad our return teams have been this year. Knowles gave us by far the best return of the year, but this is way off from where we normally are. U.nC and UMD won games today because of their return game.

True. It seems like our starting field position has consistently been inside the 20 after a kickoff all year long.


I gave an audible sigh when I saw them kick it to him and then he proceeded to finally make a return that didn't make me cringe.

This may be out of line, but I have thought for a couple of years that VT needs a special teams coach. For a decade or two the head coach did such a great job with special teams that no one in his right mind would have suggested a change. But the head coach is a busy man, and the special teams lack preparation.

They lack a lot of things. They've been gutted here recently. They just don't have the talent levels we're used to seeing.

Our o-line was monkey-fucking-football bad today...

I know I am guilty of this, but my expectations starting the season were low. After the Bama game they were high. They skyrocketed after 6 straight wins. I'm guilty for believing this was the Tech of old. Win ugly, but just win. Today was really the knock out punch to the realization that this team just isn't there yet.

I understand that expectations were low for the season. It isn't that this will most likely keep us out of the ACCCG....but that this was a really bad Maryland team, at home for senior night as well. Sigh...

This is about what I expected this year. A headscratching team. They're competitive when they shouldn't and they aren't when they're supposed to. I'm willing to forgive the sins of this year and next year as long as it culminates into something after that. Rome wasn't built in a day they say.

The good news? Because of chaos we can still be in contention for the division.

Well, time to get healthy and then beat UVA in a couple of weeks. Oh and UNC has been playing better recently, so that's definitely not a penciled in win for Duke, in Chapel Hill too.

Go Hokies!

Spenge the Man. Go Hokies!

i like it better when hokies win.

i also liked the uniforms a lot

"It's worth it right? It's worth it to lay it all on the line for your brothers!"

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster (both quotes)

I move that if we're not going to do all maroon everything, this is our obvious second choice.

I'm still pissed they called the fumbled an incomplete pass and even the review didn't overturn the play. That changed the game...

Touchdown Tech - Bill Roth

I have so many thoughts. Yeah, I wrote an article about it at that other site, but here I also feel safe enough I can share my thoughts with the good folks at TKP.

Bud Foster was completely outcoached. That does not happen very often, but when it does, people will notice. As Andy said in his 5 thoughts blog today, mobile quarterbacks have given his defense fits all season long, and I'm sure that Bud was chewing through his gums when he watched the game film. I also think he made the adjustments too late in the game, roughly midway in 3rd quarter, when the defense began to peel back when C.J. Brown was about to break contain, and had two tacklers at ready to bring him down. But, in honesty, it was the most piss poor effort I have seen from the defense in a good while. Lack of sense of urgency was so plain on some plays.

One play that will stick in my mind the most is the C.J. Brown's first rushing touchdown. I don't have the film to back my assertion, but to see J.R. Collins taking a stroll back to the LOS, just in time to see Brown snap the ball and plow his way into the end zone was maddening.

The offense had an up and down day. Logan played it safe...maybe a bit tooooooo safe, but when the line collapses that fast, not even Tom Brady would have had time to get rid of the ball. That 3rd and 24 play was absolutely the most gutsiest call I have seen from Loeffler and that was a ballsy play by Thomas to deliver the ball to Knowles, who still makes me nervous every time the ball comes his way.

Special team is going to give us headaches for a while. A.J. Hughes should lock up All-ACC honors by the end of the season, but that's about as far as special team goes. Yeah, Knowles had that monstrous return (WHERE HAVE THAT BEEN ALL SEASON LONG!?) but outside of that, special team has been abysmal. But, I have to give ton of credit to Kristensen for playing. He deserves a pat on the back and an "Attaboy" from all of us. That's a tough situation to walk into, but he nailed that field goal attempt in overtime. That takes balls to do that.

I look forward to French's salty film review (his words, not mine) and Mason's film review. I'm not gonna like it, but it's good for the soul.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

yeah it seemed like no facet of our team (offense, defense, ST) really did well this game. we went from one of our more complete games to an overall lackluster game on all parts

The first quarter was probably the best effort, and then it went all downhill from there. The lack of commitment to the running game is what bugs me the most.

French made an interesting observation on Twitter...he said something to the effect that throwing a touchdown pass after failing to punch it in on 1st down is a sign of "I Surrender." Oddly, against UNC, we saw Loeffler call the same running plays from the 1 four times before Edmunds burst through on the 4th tries. We haven't seen that jumbo package since then, except for Miami, maybe.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

After a little thought, it occurred to me that a lot of the tackles that were not made today might have been made by a couple guys named Kyle and Antone. We will never know, but could the explanation for this loss really be as simple as those two injuries? I mean, the freshmen are incredibly great corners for 18-year-olds, but Exum and Kyle Fuller bring some skills and experience that might have been the solution to those gashing runs.
Also, am I the only one who noticed that Derrick Hopkins was a non-factor? I don't know if he had the flu or nagging injuries or just a bad hair day, but he spent a lot of the game face down. I had no idea Maryland was capable of taking complete control of Skip Hopkins.

I mentioned somewhere that the lack of either of those CBs forced Kendall to play outside instead of nickel... and Bonner to play man coverage.

And Bonner and Trimble (at the whip) got picked on quite a bit.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

I think the absence of two veterans players hurt, but at the same time, coaches have to make adjustments in-game. That's where they failed.

I'm not sure if Hopkins was quiet but he was probably double/teamed a lot but I do remember two plays where Brown was well within his reach, and Brown hit the afterburners to get away from him.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

this is why i like this community so much. i am actually cancelling my subscription on 247 because the amount of people who instantly want to blame someone (bench LT, fire coaches, etc.)

immediately after the game about 4-5 topics showed up about wanting to have Beamer move on and that we need a new coach to get back to being "big time"

maybe i am a bit more realistic but i knew we would probably be around 8-4 and anything would be icing on the cake. i also feel that we arent a "big time" program yet but we have the potential to be better than just a team who won 10+ games for a while

As I posted elsewhere, I predicted 8-4 but never would have predicted one of the eight would be Miami and three of the four would be Duke, BC and UMD.

yes I agree wholeheartedly. I knew coming into this season we would be fortunate to have 8 wins. I never pictured losing to those 3 teams though. I think that's part of what is so disheartening about it. I think everyone here knew we weren't likely to have a 10 win season, but because we beat some of the teams we thought would beat us (GT, UNC, Miami) and lost to some of the teams we were expected to beat people let themselves get more upset than was really warranted. We do need to remember that this year and next year will be rebuilding years for us. I think 2015 we SHOULD be back to 9-10 wins and 2016 could be a special year for us.

But for now we just need to be the best fans we can be and support our team through thick and thin. There have been ups and downs and you better believe that there will be ups and downs next season too. Massive changes like what we had over the off season don't typically yield favorable results over night. Patience is paramount.

"I like to hit a home run early" ~ Whit "knows how to create a Buzz" Babcock

It might help to frame this in the context of the last four games: Duke, BC, Miami, UMD. We beat Miami and lost to the other three. What is different about Miami? They are the team that, historically, have refused to game plan against our offense. They simply line it up the way they do every week and react to what we do. Time and time again, this has resulted in a victory. And with the loss to Duke, Miami doesn't appear to be the Top 10 team everyone thought they were.

The other three appear to have studied our offensive strengths and weakenesses and planned accordingly. Our offense performs as well as the defenses allow them to. We have been able to overcome our offensive issues with stifling defense, but later in the season that has not proven to be enough.

We're going to need to Spy Watford (maybe the more Pro-Style Lambert?) the whole game. Mobile QBs have been a problem for us the whole season. We don't want any breakdowns against the Hoos.

It's always a great day to be a Hokie

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804. Hokies, Keydets, Army Black Knights, NY Giants, NY Rangers, and ATL Braves.

This. And with him:

Note: I love doing a Google image search for a player and finding no less that 5 memes sourced from TKP.

"We are better than we think, but not quite what we want to be" - Nikki Giovanni

With the injuries, Maryland was basically playing the Hokies with two hands tied behind their back.

So, they went and kicked the Hokies in the nuts. Well played, Terps. Good strategy. Go in peace.