Summer 2018 European Transfer Discussion Thread - Part 2

The 2017-18 European Leagues have wrapped up and now it's time for the silly season. This is the place to discuss the transfers of the biggest leagues on the continent and share some juicy gossip and jovial ribbing of our competitors.

Part 2 as the old one was getting big and the World Cup is coming to an end means a Part 2 will be needed. Big news today as Cristiano Ronaldo moves to Juventus in a blockbuster transfer.

Hard to imagine a bigger deal than this, but feel free to speculate

Done deals:

Geoffrey Kondogbia (Internazionale) to Valencia CF - €25m - May 24 2018
Fabinho (AS Monaco) to Liverpool FC - £39.3m - May 28 2018
Stephan Lichsteiner (Juventus) to Arsenal - free - May 30 2018
Fred (Shakhtar Donetsk) to Manchester United FC - £47m - June 5 2018
Diogo Dalot (FC Porto) to Manchester United FC - £19m - June 6 2018
Douglas Costa (Bayern Munich) to Juventus - €40m - June 8 2018
Emre Can (Liverpool FC) to Juventus - free - June 8 2018
Sokratis Papastathopolous (Borussia Dortmund) to Arsenal FC - £16m - June 9 2018
Gerard Deulofeu (FC Barcelona) to Watford - €13m - June 10 2018
Ramadhan Sobhi (Stoke City) to Huddersfield Town - £5.7m - June 12 2018
Thomas Lemar (Monaco) to Atletico Madrid - £63.2m - June 18 2018
Rui Patricio (Sporting Lisbon) to Wolverhampton Wanderers - free - June 18 2018
Bernd Leno (Bayer Leverkusen) to Arsenal - €25m - June 19 2018
Issa Diop (Toulouse) to West Ham United - £21.9m - June 19 2018
Lukas Fabianski (Swansea City) to West Ham United - £7m - June 20 2018
James Maddison (Norwich City) to Leicester City - £22m - June 20 2018
Lucas Torreira (Sampdoria) to Arsenal - €30m - June 20 2018
Radja Nainggolan (AS Roma) to Internazionale - £21m+(2 players) - June 22 2018
Justin Kluivert (Ajax) to AS Roma - £15m - June 22 2018
Javier Pastore (PSG) to AS Roma - €20m - June 26 2018
Vinicus Junior (Flamengo) to Real Madrid - £38m - June 26 2018
Joao Cancelo (Valencia) to Juventus - €40m - June 27 2018
Dusan Tadic (Southampton) to Ajax - undisclosed - June 27 2018
Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) to West Ham United - free - July 9 2018
Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) to Juventus - £88m - July 10 2018
Riyad Mahrez (Leicester City) to Manchester City - £60m - July 10 2018
Matteo Guendouzi (Lorient) to Arsenal - £7m - July 11 2018
Andriy Yarmolenko (Borussia Dortmund) to West Ham United - £17.5m - July 11 2018
Clement Lenglet (Sevilla) to FC Barcelona - €35m - July 12 2018
Jean-Michael Seri (Nice) to Fulham - £25m - July 12 2018
Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City) to Liverpool - £13m - July 13 2018
Jorginho (Napoli) to Chelsea - £57m - July 14 2018
Felipe Anderson (Lazio) to West Ham United - £35m - July 15 2018
Alisson Becker (AS Roma) to Liverpool - £65m - July 19 2018
Joao Moutinho (AS Monaco) to Wolverhampton Wanderers - £5m - July 24 2018
Richarlison (Watford) to Everton - £40m - July 24 2018
Malcom (Bordeaux) to FC Barcelona - €45m - July 25 2018
Gelson Martins (Sporting Lisbon) to Atletico Madrid - free - July 25 2018

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For Liverpool fans looks like Karius is still crap

If i'm a sports psychologist i'm calling him tomorrow to offer him a free session.

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Watching highlights like this makes me so frustrated with LFC unwillingness to break the bank for a keeper. There are few other glaring positions of need, and I feel like they are hoping they can get one in the January window like they did VVD. My fear is that they'll be too far behind the league leaders to even be in contention for a title by that point in time.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

There's currently a stand-off happening between supply and demand with keepers. The top keepers are being touted as going for such ridiculous fees as €70-100m such as Alisson, De Gea, Oblak, etc. The clubs don't want to part with them, and the prospective buyers (very understandably) don't want to pay a fee like that for a keeper. So what will realistically happen is that a club will either get desperate enough to meet the higher price tag, the Keeper themselves will be convinced to force the move and probably bring the price to a more reasonable amount, or they will have to look for a 2nd tier level keeper in the meantime until the market normalizes.

a lot of people gave city a ton of flak for the ederson signing but man was he a bargain given the current market. Keepers are getting really expensive really fast

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Exactly, and as a Real fan, there's not one bit of me that likes Pep, but even I felt that it wasn't such a bad signing last year given his distribution requirements for his keepers. He needed a keeper who fit his style and he got a young one, perfect situation.

they will have to look for a 2nd tier level keeper in the meantime until the market normalizes

Arsenal did this with Bernd Leno. Not a world beater but a solid signing for the cost and he has a year to push Cech will should hopefully just make both play better.

But like eshiben said, the current prices make Ederson look like a steal. Barca got laughed at when they signed ter Stegen and Bravo in the same window, but that was a tidy piece of business as well because they turned a profit on Bravo who has been spotty at best since they sold him.

Chem PhD '16

It's Danny Ward time...can't get any worse, can it?

I have to imagine that Higuain or Dybala will be on their way out of Juve. Juve are probably more likely to part with Higuain than Dybala due to age etc

Chem PhD '16

Who will sit for Mahrez?


Rotation/depth. With city playing as many as 3 games a week last year we cant expect the same starting 11 every week. We need players to be able to fill in for sterling and sane and give us more options. Sterling/Silva will be one option sane/mahrez will be the other wing. You could also see him and Bernardo fill in for david Silva too (hes getting up there in age)

Pep brought him on for his flexibility and his different approach to the wing position than sterling

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Yarmolenko to West Ham and Guendouzi to Arsenal are official

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Emery and Gazidis have made a lot of suggestions that Guendozi is a first team addition, which is interesting.

That'll probably be it for incoming signings. Great summer for Arsenal so far. A Ramsey signature would cap it off nicely, along with some thinning out of the back end of the roster.

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Definitely some thinning to do on the back end of the roster as looks to be 32 players in for a 25 man first team squad. 4 goal keepers (expect Ospina out), 11 defenders (expect Jenkinson out, a loan or two for players like Holding/Mavrapanos), 9 midfielders (all well committed unless Ramsey leaves, maybe a loan if Guendouzi isn't a first team addition, maybe a loan for JRA), and 8 forwards (Asano, Akpom, Campbell good as gone, who knows how Emery rates Lucas Perez either).

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real question as an American fan whatever happened to zelalem?

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Recent article on him, he's in preseason training with their U-23s. Last played on loan with VVV Venlo in the Dutch 2nd division.

The short answer is that development of 16 year olds isn't always linear. He was loaned out to Rangers and then to VVV Venlo like mentioned above, and then tore his ACL last year. I think there was a setback that had prevented a January loan move, and so who knows what he'll be for this upcoming season. I looked and he's 21 now with just a year left on his deal

Chem PhD '16

Jeff Reine-Adelaide has permanently moved to Ligue 1 side Angers

Chem PhD '16

Friendship with The Jeff over. Emile Smith Rowe is my best friend now.

Seriously though, some promising stuff from him and Guendouzi today FWIW.

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Only got a chance to see the highlight of ESR's goal. It was a beauty! Jeff just seemed to have his development stall out, and not sure why. He definitely looked very promising in the limited opportunities he got, but maybe he can jumpstart things in France

Chem PhD '16

It doesn't necessarily mean much, but Guendouzi might have been our best player on the day. Although once they realized they needed to press him he showed his youth a little more. All signs point to that being some tidy business to pick him up though.

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More thinning: Chuba Akpom to PAOK on a 3 year deal.

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Want to see how allegri makes higuain and Ronaldo work otherwise I'm failing to see where this was a great move with how old juve are atm but who knows I thought this rumor had no legs and now he's at juve

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I mean at the very least will get their money back from marketing. I imagine higuain is on his way out because I dont see them selling dybala. That is an aging core at Juventus though

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Edit double post and double drink

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Looking like Shaqiri to LFC is a matter of when not if...someone please explain how this guy isn't the Albanian Joe Cole (and yes I know he's swiss). We can do so much better...hope I'm wrong on my evaluation. Selfish one-footed players don't get on with Klopp.

Have to think you're incredibly underwhelmed by the window for Liverpool so far this summer?

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I can't think of a player less suited to Klopp and his style than (Shaqiri). If Klopp goes for him he's totally lost the plot. Nowhere near the required standard look for someone like West Ham to sign him (no disrespect to West Ham).

Still some smoke about Dembele coming over (the one from Barca), now THAT is quality though I don't see how Dembele's ego would mesh with Klopp, either.

Fekir, Oblak (or Alisson), a quality central defender and maybe Malcom from Bordeaux and that's job done for this summer. Fabinho and Keita are already stellar signings.

Chem PhD '16

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

While I dont like shaqiri either I dont think liverpool should be disappointed with their work in the transfer window. Keita was a huge get and Fabinho is an awesome fit for klopp too. Those are two enormous signings for them (Fabinho >>> Henderson and Keita is the attacking mid theyve been craving for a while), and all things considered Bayern won a treble with shaqiri on the bench (and its not like hes gonna replace mane or salah anytime soon). Liverpool will be A-Ok next year.

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So far I'm truly underwhelmed. I can't help but point at ownership and spit in their direction for not wanting to spend the money to take this club to the next level. I feel like after this past campaign we were on the verge of something great. The unwillingness to open the purse for a keeper will keep us right where we usually are, fighting for a top 4 finish. Maybe Klopp has an ace up his sleeve, but after you sell Coutinho for that large sum you should be willing to inject that cashflow back into the club somehow (in addition to VVD).

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

VVD + Fabinho is roughly equal to Coutinho

Chem PhD '16

Long way to go yet

right, that's why I asked "so far". Keita and Fabinho are good signings, but would you be satisfied if the sum total of Pool incomings are those two plus Shaqiri?

Chem PhD '16

I'm not too frustrated at the moment, for what it's worth. Liverpool fans on reddit are losing their mind during the entire world cup but almost all transfers were put on hold. Shaqiri for 13mil is good business for me. So far all the business done during Klopp's tenure has been majority very good and he reportedly rates Shaqiri. IF he doesn't pan out, it won't be hard to sell him for minimal loss.

As for GK that is where I am frustrated. People talking like: Keita, Fabinho, Fekir/Dybala, Shaqiri, , is an actual possibility. I'm not going to argue finances, as no one who is not a part of Liverpool FC organization would know the true answer here. But with planning for the Anfield Road expansion, and continuing to grow the club in a healthy long term picture....dropping that kind of cash just isn't going to happen this window.

I would like to see a GK signing because Karius is clearly still shocked from the final, and MIgs wants first team action. But who is available that is going to be a true improvement and isn't going to cost us enormously. Word has it that Klopp likes Ward's ability but his attitude has been lacking until now. It could all be smoke and mirrors.

For all those fans worried, Klopp took a woeful squad to a Europa league final--this squad is head and shoulders better and should be just fine staying top four this season, if not more. Karius with VVD/Lovren had some of the best defensive statistics last year (i.e. not all down to the GK), so people thinking the season is over before it has started is unfortunate.

>>> Short, selfish one-footed players don't get on with Klopp.

This times 1000x, for the win Alex. Shaquiri's body language alone makes me want to kick the sh** out of him. And he's just not that good. Lots of projecting his inadequacies onto his teammates.

Shoulda bought Shakira with a K not a Q.

How about now lol?

VB born, class of '14

These comments were made in several places, not just here, and they always made me laugh. Now this is preseason so I am not going to say his assist and goal indicate he is the real deal. But Klopp is the final sign off on all and out. So if Klopp doesn't get on with one-footed lazy players...why would Klopp have signed off on this?

Shaqiri looks to have fit in well so far, hope it can continue.

Shaqiri deal complete once medical is passed...13.75million pound sterling

Jean Seri to Fulham has to be a hell of a steal for them all I had heard was he was looking likely to go to arsenal or chelsea with the rumors saying he was in London for a transfer I had no Idea that hed go to fulham though

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Very solid midfield. Seri, Cariney and McDonald.

Always choose joy.

Clement Lenglet to Barca from Sevilla, 35m euros. Ospina looks set to join Boca Juniors for $8m

Chem PhD '16

Chelsea have given Antonio Conte the sack. No surprise.

in my head, that happened in May. lol woops

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>> Costa has given Conte the sack. Surprised it took this long.

fixed it 4 u!

do you mean Diego Costa who plays for Atletico Madrid??????????????????????????????

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As a Newcastle fan I'm really excited to see Kenedy back in the toon, even if it's just on loan again. He was absolutely huge for us last season. I really hope we spend the cash to make it permanent at the end of the season.

Sarri and Jorginho from Napoli to Chelsea official

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Well poo

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Hazard sounding like he's gone which what would be I'd assume to real Madrid maybe Barca but I feel Madrid to be the natural move

Also am I the only one wondering if real Madrid could possibly use bale as a lure to get kane from Tottenham if they really want him?

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Reliable RM sources have suggested Kane is not in Madrid's plans and nobody wants to deal with Levy over a player/coach, especially one with a fresh contract (timing can be a real bitch eh, Pochettino). I do think Hazard is a real possibility for Real though.

His wife's preference is London but apparently he's convinced her. Deal may be done by the end of this week. Fingers crossed...however, 67m pounds sterling is a lot for a player that gave up 7 goals to us in two games.

That money is a lot for any GK IMO. However everyone in the universe knows how badly you need one right now so there was probably no way around this. He's better than Karius but I don't think this would be a very good deal for you overall.

I'm just over here hoping Bernd Leno can revive his form from a couple years ago.

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best way I have seen it put: think of it as Salah for 67m and Alisson for 39m. Makes a ton more sense and feels a lot better lol

The chess pieces are being moved around: looks like Danny Ward is off to Leicester for 10m, Karius will serve as Alisson's backup and no word on Mignolet. Surely, Mignolet will have to find a new club. Alisson to join the squad once LFC return from the ICC in America.

Honestly after seeing Karius in preseason this would be my hope:

Alisson with Mignolet as back-up
Karius loaned out to help build confidence back up.

MIgnolet has a silly contract which means we won't be able to sell him for much even though he is worth more than Ward. Karius would be easy to sell, strictly from a contractual standpoint, but who in this moment would pay more than 10m for him?

Having a confidence-lacking Karius as a back up scares me. At least when Migs comes off the bench we know exactly what to expect: above average keeping, one howler every few games, and that is at a minimum...sometimes he goes world beater on us and we wonder why he can't just do that every game.

But counter point is that karius is a sweeper-keeper like Klopp likes and Mignolet is idk...backup GK is causing me as much stress as finding a starting GK.

And yeah I know I defended Karius but that was predicated on him coming back into the preseaon being commanding and renewed. Instead he looks lost and shaken. Can't have that.

Sweeper keeper bros4lyfe

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67m is no chump change indeed! CL football will always outweigh EL football. I'm hoping that is what closes the deal, he seems pretty set on Liverpool, twitter rumors say his talk with Klopp went really well too. I think this pretty much puts us out of the Fekir race though.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Tier 1 journos reporting he is on a plane and already agreed to terms.

Reported €75m fee for Alisson to Liverpool by the most reliable Italian sources. Weird situation because Liverpool is getting a fantastic, potentially very long term keeper, but is getting completely fleeced at the same time.

Clearly Roma is trying to make some money back from that Salah transfer fleece.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Think if im Liverpool I wouldnt fuss about it to much they absolutely robbed Roma of Salah in hindsight if I were them Id be happy to help them out a little all while getting a very good gk

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I said it above but if you think Salah for 67m and Alisson for 39m it feels a bit more sensible. And if you combine the two, 106m for the two players isn't bad at all in this market. Especially when one Coutinho goes for 142m

I agree it's overall good business in perspective, but it's the highest ever GK fee, which was forced by multiple circumstances.

Look at how much more stability they got defensively after making the most expensive transfer for a defender last year. A world class gk can make all the difference in tight games, just look at how many times De Gea kept United in tight games when they were playing like shite. It's a hefty fee, but I'm all for it. The Reds have made huge profits on Suarez, Sterling and Coutinho transfers and as others have pointed out made some amazing bargain buys, you've got to balance that out by splashing some cash.

Agreed that the fee makes it worth it if he comes anywhere near De Gea levels. The thing is with Liverpool is they were nearly bankrupted about 10 years ago and hit rock bottom with Roy Hodgson and were in a relegation battle at one point. They had didn't have to sell Suarez, Sterling, or Coutinho except that all three made it impossible to stay. They are finally at a financial place (main stand expansion, deep Europa and UCl campaigns) where they no longer have to worry as much about net spend. The coutinho sale, UCL money were huge helps to this window. I am happy if business ended now but rumors are we are still in for Fekir which is shocking.

I think it will likely be worth the money in the long run, especially if they hold onto him for 8+ years or so.

The best part about it is that Chelsea won't get him. Hopefully they're unable to properly replace Courtois.

My main hope is that Arsenal can get back into UCL money this season, I want Chelsea to fall off a cliff right now.

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Sarri plays a very appealing and extremely aesthetic style. It'll be interesting to see how Chelsea fares next season, especially with a full focus on the PL without CL football. Though I think they might lose both Courtois and Hazard, but it's not set in stone.

Is it too much to ask that Chelsea are forced to resign Petr Cech or Pickford, or even Mignolet??

I'll straight swap Cech for Giroud right now. It doesn't make the most sense for us but the heart wants what it wants.

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Is Pickford overrated after his World Cup run?

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Can't judge on WC alone but yeah. I mean Alisson and De Gea both had bad cup runs but are excellent for the reg season

Is this real? Alisson on his way to Liverpool


"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

If only stupid Brazil could have won the world cup we could have gotten 100 million for Alisson!! (i'm a Roma fan)

No way! Another Hokie and Roma fan... Didn't think I would see the day.

Ayyyyy awesome! I've seen a couple Roma jerseys around campus the past two years but yeah we're certainly few and far between

I called it in 2014, and I said it again this year, and I will continue to say this. If Brazil persist with Neymar being the focal point, they will never win a world cup with him on the roster. He is too selfish, too weak, and a drama queen on the field. Firmino, for instance, performed better than Jesus in every minute he played which also happened to be substantially less than Jesus...but the rumor is that Neymar really doesn't like him and so he doesn't get playing time. The WC is scheduled such that the team that has the combination of talent and team play and gels the quickest has the best chance. That will never be Brazil with Neymar.

I have a coworker who spent the entire WC lamenting the "old" brazil...a selfless, creative, beautiful team from south america taking down the european giants. He loathes more than anything watching Brazil now.

I agree with you on Neymar but disagree to an extent on Jesus' contributions. A lot of his off the ball movement is what makes him so good, sure he didnt do a ton of scoring but he setup neymar numerous times. He also held position incredibly well. Coming back to point #1 the issue with the team isnt Jesus, did he blow anyone away? no. Is he the reason brazil went home? no. The issue is Neymar is the total focal point of an offense on a team that is not setup to be that way. He wants to be ronaldinho and he just isnt.

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I'm not arguing Jesus was the reason they were poor. But every attribute of his you just listed is an attribute Firmino also has in spades. I watched a few brazil games and they always looked fundamentally more dangerous with Firmino on the pitch. I agree the issue is Neymar--100%. I was just pointing out Jesus being on the pitch when they looked better with Firmino was another Neymar thing.

This...everyone says Salah this and Mane that but it's really Firmino that makes Liverpool tick. He's by far our most important player.

YES, so true!!

Kop - I'm going to see Liverpool v Dortmund on Sunday in Charlotte with my son (8 yr old). It'll be the first live game for either of us. He's a big Liverpool fan, so we're both pretty excited.

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Could you think that this might be because he came on as a late substitute and the other team's defense might be absolutely gassed? I just really hate that Jesus has gotten a lot of the flak lately because when they let him run loose like city has hes an incredible striker. I really think hes being reigned in right now and it wouldn't matter if freaking prime louis suarez was on the field, the brazil gameplan would be give neymar the ball. I can name at least twice in the world cup where Jesus had the ball with a look on frame and dished it to neymar. City Jesus doesn't do that, which forces me to believe this is a coach/neymar thing

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Eck. I feel like you're attacking me. I'm not bashing Jesus at all, truly, I just like Firmino; I thought he was that gel guy that a team full of superstars needed, and the on the field results seemed to support that. The running out of gas could definitely be part of it, which is why I was really hoping he would have gotten a chance to start, but unfortunately we'll never know the answer to that one.

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dont feel attacked his reply was to me i think

which forces me to believe this is a coach/neymar thing

This was my point in my very first post about Jesus but your fervor to defend him has turned into this. I like TKP a lot but have removed myself from almost all football related discussion for reasons similar to this. I like to think I am pretty reasonable and open minded on discussion boards. I try not to wear 'tinted' lenses but somehow I always seem to say something that gets blown out of proportion or taken out of context etc.

I am not saying Jesus is a bad player nor am I giving him flak. Especially after the WC. If I judged on the WC alone, De Gea, Neuer, Alisson are all over rated GKs.

I am not saying Jesus didn't deserve to start games.

What I am saying is the team looked more dangerous, more potent, with Firmino playing and he scored a goal which Jesus failed to do in his 400+ minutes of playing. Could you think that maybe Firmino deserved just one start to see what he could do?

I see your point I guess reddit (particularly r/soccer) has me super fired up. They've been BRUTAL on jesus since day 1. I still think the preferred lineup for brazil wouldnt even have neymar on the field. something along the lines of a forward line of jesus firmino costa with coutinho linking play. I think we're arguing the same point just from different directions and I totally understand where you're coming from. Had no intention of it coming off as an attack

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No it's cool--i mean how can we both not be fired up. Both of us support teams who have legit shots at silverware this year, and the season starts in 25 days. Football shortly after that, etc.

And you are right we are arguing the same point: get rid of neymar and brazil will succeed.

I don't like discussion boards because so much can get lost in translation.

Thinking getting Neymar out of Brazil will make them better is as knee jerk as it comes, based on a WC where he had only played two matches after coming off a serious injury. He has had a phenomenal start in the NT and has been absolutely incredible for the NT overall (statistically he has been way better than Messi and Ronaldo by the same age for their respective NT's) and he was absolutely brilliant in the qualifiers and he still was creating a ton of chances at this WC out of form. It was also very much his presence (and the attention it draws) that freed up Coutinho to be the hero in many of their matches this WC.

I like Jesus and Firmino, I think they are both phenomenal players and would love to have either of them, but I cannot get behind this knee jerk narrative that Neymar is the problem. And to be clear, I don't like Neymar, I doubt anyone on this board (unless they are also a Real Madrid fan) has spent more time bemoaning Neymar's antics and actively rooting against him than me. I just can't pretend like a few WC matches can undo everything he has done for the NT up to that point.

You are right and I am not trying to degrade his achievements. What I am saying is that Brazil would thrive off a flowing continuous game and the amount of time Neymar spends drawing fouls is a constant disruption to that. In addition him being the focal point makes it so incredibly easy to defend against--look at the switzerland game for example. They just kept using different players to foul him, thus avoiding yellow cards, and breaking the game down.

To me it is a lot like liverpool with Coutinho and without him. No doubt Coutinho is world class and a top talent but with him in the team we were easy to defend against: All attacks come down the left side, contain coutinho, disrupt flow. WIth Coutinho we had something like 10 ties. When we lost Coutinho, we lost a creative outlet that we still need to replace but all of a sudden the team was balanced and harder to defend. Whenever games were going poorly we always looked to Coutinho and he wasn't always able to deliver.

Again, Neymar and Coutinho are both great--but mainly when they aren't the centerpiece. And to clarify, I think Neymar would be a powerful help to win a WC if he can stop diving, act selfless, and maybe be on the bench for certain games. I just don't think that is possible.

Again it comes down to the fact that they need to change the gameplan. Neymar I'd no doubt one of the most talented players in the world but coaches (particularly at the national team level) seem to struggle with players like that. They want to build the entire attack through them and that just doesn't work. Again it comes down to coaching and forcing play through neymar

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Just saw that Oxlade-Chamberlain will miss most of this coming season to injury.

You can take a man from the Arsenal, but you can't take the Arsenal from the man. Story of the guy's career, show some good form and growth, freak injury derails everything.

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It's sad and I hope he recovers. 35m for him was good business until he proves he can stay healthy

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Alisson Becker to LFC official

Malcom to Barcelona is official. He had been set to sign with Roma but the deal was hijacked at the last minute.

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Joao Moutinho to Wolves lol

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Richarlison from Watford to Everton on a five year deal for a reported 40m pounds

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Man that is expensive for a 5 goal per season forward.

Yes it's a lot of money, but that's the market and he's 21 and was under contract at Watford for another 4 years. Watford had a ton of leverage and the price point to get a deal done was always going to be high.

Five goals and five assists from a winger isn't so bad, with the style that Watford play it's pretty understandable. (Far more concerning is that all the goals were before December.)Marco Silva will have them playing attacking style, and the attacking players at Everton can finish their chances. I think he'll do well.

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Everton 2017/2018 seemed the classic case of buying too many players but also having Allardyce was a recipe for a sub par season. I expect them to be much more challenging this season. Last year the toffee's played very forgettable yet finished a respectable eighth in the EPL. No reason they can't improve on that, but it would take a lot to usurp one of the top-6 teams.

Portugal winger Gelson Martins signs with Atletico Madrid on a six year contract

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really interesting article on the transfer market and liverpool in the past few years. The reason I am posting is not to bash everyone's head in about liverpool-rather that Paul Tomkins has an established table of all transfers in the premier league adjusted for inflation. What I didn't know and what was surprising to me was that VVD, when adjusted for inflation, is something like the 99th most expensive signing, and Alisson is just a costly as Cech was for chelsea...after inflation of course.

Everyone touts "world record fees, most expensive club signing" etc. when andy carroll was by and far the most expensive signing ever--but again, has to be adjusted for inflation.

City fans have been harping this for a while. When inflation is included some of the deals pep has pulled off are freaking bargains

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Fulham have signed Andre Schurrle from BVB on a 2 year loan deal

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good for Pulisic's playing time.

Aleksandr Golovin joins Monaco from CSKA Moscow on a five year deal for a fee of 27m pounds.

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Appears that Lucas Digne will join Everton from Barcelona for 19m pounds

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Bring on the Hammers 12AUG:

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Sensible use of the Dortmund colored bike helmets. Hearing rumors that LFC will try to do a deal to get Pulisic similar to what we did with Naby Keita last summer...

If we get CP, I'm planning a trip to the Kop for August 2019. How about that one handed save midway through the video?

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What fee would you be ok getting him for? Right now, after two seasons in the Bundesliga, he has scored 7 goals and assisted 14. Yes he is young but the asking price is going to be over 50 million pounds. For that money he has to be starting a good majority of the games. And then who does he displace?

To be clear I would love to see Pulisic at Liverpool. he is young, talented, American, and has a huge upside. But I can't fathom paying 50m to have a player sit on the bench for a majority of games. Shaqiri for 13m is exactly the kind of deal that makes sense. EPL experienced, creative, strong, and willing to be an impact substitute.

If Palace buys Ings for 24m then I have no problem with 50m for Pulisic. A "normal" fee for Pulisic would be 25-30m, but the valuations have gone bonkers in the last few years. Pulisic is definitely one for the future.

As an Arsenal fan, and more importantly a USMNT fan, this would be an awful, awful move for him. He needs playing time above all else, and he's getting it at the top level at Dortmund.

Paying huge money like that for a player who hasn't quite lit the world on fire recently would set unrealistic expectations, and then we'd just be listening to the British punditry gloat about how he doesn't have the quality.

Granted, I don't think this has a shot of happening, I think it's just tabloids getting clicks from the American consumer.

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Agree - he needs to be playing week-in and week-out with and against top-level competition. BVB are the best positioned club in the world for him right now because they play in the Bundesliga and also are in the UCL again this year.

Pulisic is best served sticking at BVB for at least this year, and also probably renegotiating his contract for a raise at the cost of club-friendly buyout clause (at least for the time being) and adding more years, with the understanding that he will probably move on in 2019 or 2020 summer window. As of now he can leave on a free in 2020, which hurts his sale value from BVB's standpoint if he were to go next summer.

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If Richarlison is worth that much, then Pulisic is too (contract situation notwithstanding). Especially because of the marketability/exposure in the states (and throughout WCQ and the next WC)

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I read somewhere that BvB wants 70 mil for him, I'm like, bruh, what are you smoking...

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Think about what buying Pulisic could do for any big club though if his talent grows and he gets really good he is a direct tap into the american market which is huge so I dont think thats unworldly if he can really find his potential this year at dortmund I really think he needs to stay for a year atleast and if he goes next summer go to a team that will play him regularly not somewhere where hed be riding the bench.

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Bonucci back to Juve and Higuain to Milan on a loan with option to buy

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Talk about an awkward walk back into Juve after celebrating scroing on them last season.

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Arturo Vidal to Barcelona on a 27m pound deal

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Just when you thought Barcelona couldn't get any more insufferable.

Axel Witsel to BVB on a 4 year deal

Yerry Mina likely headed to Everton after the club and Barcelona agreed to a 29m pound fee.

Aleix Vidal from Barcelona to Sevilla on a 4 year deal.

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Calum Chambers from Arsenal to Fulham on a loan deal

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Looks like Courtois is going to get his wish to go to Real Madrid - Chelsea has supposedly agreed to pay the £71.6m release clause for Kepa Arrizabalaga to replace him.

Not happy about this as a Madridista. Courtois' only advantage over Navas the last few years is honestly his age, he hasn't been a better distributor, nor has he been particularly clutch as Navas has in the CL for three straight years. THEN, considering that we could have gotten Kepa (younger, even more potential) last winter window for an absolute steal of a price (before he negotiated a new contract) and then we tabled it at the last minute (supposedly Zidane did not sign off) makes this extra frustrating. The only silver lining is that Courtois is still young for a keeper and we will get him for a reasonable price, unlike Alisson or Kepa (who I think will both ultimately be better keepers).

Funny you mention the price...Alisson was offered to many clubs (including LFC) a few years ago during the BRodgers era for around 5m sterling...and we paid 60m more. So...don't feel bad.

So tough to say with development though. Who knows how he would've developed at liverpool

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100% true. Oblak was even offered a tryout at the Liverpool academy in 2009 but was injured and so Liverpool cancelled the entire thing. The rest is history.

Courtois to Real for 35m pounds on a 6 year deal

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As a Man U fan this window has been crap but this is the diamond in the rough hopefully coutois thrives and madrid leave us alone over De Gea.

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The offseason acquisition which most interests me is ESPN acquiring Serie A rights. Don't know how many of you follow Italian football, but one game a week will be shown on TV (ESPN or ESPN2 or ESPNNews) and the rest will be shown on ESPN+

i used to follow Serie A a lot more closely when (then) Fox Soccer had EPL and Serie A rights, even if most of the Serie A showings were tape delayed. it's not enough to get me to subscribe to ESPN+ , but if it was Serie A and one of the other top-five domestic leagues in Europe (or either European competition), I'd have to at least think about it for five bucks a month.

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Yeah I'm a Roma fan so I try to watch all their games so it's worth it in my case. $50 for all the games this season is a solid deal

Yeah that Turner Sports deal for CL and EL is absolute garbage. But for Serie A this is an upgrade; beIN sports was terrible. Feel sorry for fans of La Liga teams since they still have to deal with that.

Fuck I hadnt heard Turner got the Champions league rights yet that paywall is an absolute rip off fuck Turner I wont be watching that crap for that price. Looks like ill be back to watching free streams, atleast fox made every game watchable one way or another hell they even put group games on facebook for free.

Edit for those wondering turner is charging 80$ for full season access to every game and 2.99$ for each individual game and 5.99 per month if you go that route.

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If you have a cable subscription and get Univision you can watch all UCL games for free included with your subscription!!! Just beware it is going to be in spanish. You do not have to buy the Turner package to watch UCL.

THere is also

Kovacic to Chelsea on a season-long loan as part of the Courtois deal

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No signings for Man U so you can already see the writing on the wall for mourinho if this season starts to slip itll be time to get the marshmallows out as he burns to the ground I'm not counting him out just yet but the entire attitude and stigma around him right now doesnt bring me much hope for the upcoming season.

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Welcome to Mourinho year 3.

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I've been in year three mode since he was announced. I've tried to give him a chance but my soul is wearing out and at this point I'm only watching for the fireworks

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Lucas Perez leaves arsenal for West ham

Good move for all parties. He was fourth choice at best for Arsenal under Emery. No idea why Wenger didn't play him more since he always looked good when he did play. Good get for cheap by West Ham and Lucas doesn't even have to leave London

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Yeah at this point I'd rather give his minutes to Reiss-Nelson or Nketiah, so I'm glad to get him off the wage book.

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7 mins left til the deadline and Spuds have yet to sign a single player.

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brazilian winger Bernard leaves shakhtar donetsk on a free to join Everton.

Everton also appear to have sealed a loan deal for midfielder Andre Gomes from Barcelona

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FWIW if anyone is into the fantasy Premier League thing (, I started a league for a friend and I to screw around with. Feel free to hop in, league code below:


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(i joined, in case you're wondering)

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Bakayoko to Milan on a year loan with option to buy.

Nzonzi to Roma on a 4 year deal for a reported 30m euros.

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