Cam'Ron Kelly Decommits from Virginia Tech

The highest rated recruit of Virginia Tech's 2019 class opens up his recruitment.

Cam'Ron Kelly after he picked Virginia Tech on June 7. [@13ScottCash]

Late Saturday night Cam'Ron Kelly opted to decommit from Virginia Tech.

I wrote the following when Kelly pledged to the Hokies back on June 7.

Clemson, Penn State, Virginia, Notre Dame, Auburn, Washington State, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.

That was the top 8 cornerback Cam'Ron Kelly announced on April 24. Kelly committed to the Hokies Tuesday morning. Recruiting is fickle. Recruiting is weird. And this is a stunner, in Virginia Tech's favor, of Stone Cold proportions.

As suddenly and surprisingly as his verbal commitment materialized, it ceased as abruptly and unfavorably — for Virginia Tech. There was no scuttlebutt of a change of heart and Kelly was actively, and transparently on Twitter, recruiting other prospects to Tech. The 4-star (0.9260) Oscar Smith HS product was Tech's highest rated commitment of the 2019 cycle. A commitment that unfolded in spectacular fashion and hinged on Kelly's desire to play cornerback.

That's recruiting. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No one should fault Kelly for pumping the brakes in order to make the right decision for himself. And while a single recruit won't make or break an entire class, Kelly's departure is a significant blow to the Hokies. He is a talent to help eclipse the blue-chip ratio. Moreover, his original commitment aided the perception of Virginia Tech's recruiting resurgence in the 757. From a broader perspective, in a cycle with such tight numbers — limited scholarships — Tech's had to be selective and turn away other recruits, banking on their verbals to ultimately sign. While this may open up another slot in the class, Tech might have fallen behind or out of favor with potential suitors.

Given Kelly stated he "will be looking for my new home", it seems unlikely Virginia Tech will be the eventual landing spot. However, it's been a rollercoaster recruitment and Justin Fuente has proven adept at convincing recruits who de-committed to ultimately sign with the Hokies.

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Best of luck to him. Keep in touch. But move on to the next guy. Go hokies.

I mean, it's his prerogative, of course. Still frustrating.

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Most entertaining part of this is over on the Sabre the "we don't even want him now because he's not UVA material" conversation has already begun. UVA fans have to start justifying losing now before it even happens. I'll only hit the panic button when we reach that level of sadness.

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They justify losing by going to loluva! It's built-in.

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dang it

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That's putting it mildly.

'Nuff said, next up.

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Great start to the work day.

can July be over with?

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Well he was 100% committed for a few weeks. Now he can have another ceremony and get more attention. You can actually tell a lot about some of these kids by how they handle their recruitment. Adidos, hope we play against you in the future.

You can tell a lot more about people by how they judge and overreact to teenagers trying to make tough decisions that will affect the rest of their lives, just because they may not align with their own selfish rooting interests.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

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-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I don't understand why this is being down voted. Why are we so blasé about the concept of commitment? These athletes are not babies. Commitment has to start mattering at some point in our lives.

Because as others have said, how can you expect that level of commitment from kids when the coaches don't give the same?

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Because there are far more CamRon Kelly's than there are Nick Saban's and my boss has a Wheels Up Private Jet account and I don't. College player and college coach are a different skillset, different market, and thus different rules/leverage.

Yes, so why should the kids be held to a higher standard than the adults?

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Because they have less bargaining power

Recruit Prosim

Yes and this is the only time where a talented player will have leverage in his career

When a player signs to play football the value given by that player vs the value received by them is widely disproportianate. It truly is a privilege for any institution to have such a talented player agree to play there. There is also a lot more at stake for the player than the institution.

The burden shouldn't be on the player in any part of the process, the burden is on the institution to sell their program all the way up until the player signs.

I second this comment. Given that players don't have the freedom to transfer and don't own the rights to their own likeness, until the LOI is signed it is their prerogative to change their mind. I just wish these kids would say "I plan to attend X" in their announcement, which gives them the out. Until the system is changed where the school has an obligation to the recruit that matches the recruit's obligation, bashing the recruit for changing their mind is a completely unproductive waste of energy.

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I disagree personally. I think the only reason talented young football players have any value at all is because the they attend certain universities that already have tons of support. I am a Virginia Tech fan and I support our team whether its made up of 5*s or walk ons. If colleges for some reason decided to black ball a player, say for character reasons, the player loses all of their value and the Universities gets along just fine. The only reason I care about attracting top talent in the first place is to remain competitive with other programs. If the NCAA suddenly enacted a rule saying you could only make a team out of students accepted through the normal enrollment procedures, I would still follow our team.

The one thing I do wish was changed was players ability to profit from their likeness.

Recruit Prosim

It matters on signing day, not before.

While we'd like people to honor their commitments, there is certainly no benefit from harboring ill-will towards recruits who change their mind.

Fans crying over it isn't a good look.

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I want to temper my comment a little bit. While I think we have a serious commitment problem in our culture, it isn't this kid's burden to fix it. Best of luck to him.

Sometimes we say the wrong things when we are emotional. Hopefully you no longer have this attitude regarding recruits after a night's sleep.

Commitment has lost its definition, thanks to the parents, family and culture around these youths.

It's a two-way street. There are plenty of programs who have told committed kids to look elsewhere. Tech is not among the innoncent there either.

...but have we? Just because others do it doesn't change the definition of 'commitment'.

Yes, Conner O'Donnell committed and was directed elsewhere. Clay Dean originally had a scholarship offer, committed, and ultimately had his offer reduced to a walk-on.

At every program, committable offers become uncommittable throughout the recruiting cycle.

Overall point: There are definitely recruits who back out of their "commitment", but programs do too. That's the recruiting culture and it's unfair to blame either side, really. That's why recruiting is what it is and nothing matters until signing day.

I agree, nothing is sure until signing day.

t does suck... it sound like integrity no longer has its meaning, too. ☹

I think we should rename the 'commitment' to a 'vote of intent'. These kids aren't actually 'committed' to a program until National Signing Day. If you want a commitment to actually mean something, then let kids sign their LOI once they receive an offer, not on NSD. I don't think it has anything to do integrity, I think it's a misuse of the English language (not dissimilar from when you're girlfriend's little sister says she is 'literally dying' after she got embarrassed in front of her friends).

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I think this is a fair suggestion, but honestly we just need to get over the semantics of the word commitment and accept it for what it is. We already care way too much about the decision making of 16-18 year olds, I don't think changing the term will alter how ridiculous the entire foundation of college football recruiting is. A decommitment is still going to be a painful experience regardless of whether its called a "decommitment" or "rescinding a vote of intent."

For some reason, your comment reminds me of marriage.

The word commitment just isn't what it used to be.

"My word is my bond" has just become "I can get out of it if I didn't sign the contract, and probably even if I did."

I think of marriage as a covenant, rather than a commitment, but obviously, marriage is a great example of something that is clearly not taken as seriously in the modern age as it once was. Though you could argue the behaviors have been around forever, there was just such a negative perception of divorce back in the day that it was less common.

I don't disagree, and I think they've both lost some of their meaning.

I think of "commitment" as your word you're saying you're going to do something.

For whatever reason, people don't appear to take it as seriously as they once did.

I think you're overstating how serious people took it in the past. Nothing's changed.

Eh, I don't buy that.

People my grandparent's age took their own word pretty seriously. Their name was on the line. They'd go to great lengths to follow their commitments. I don't get the same vibe in general these days.

It's a generational thing, but probably because people move around these days, and not everybody knows everybody.

Today if you screw up, you just change your Facebook friends. /s

I'd postulate it's not a coincidence that the increase in divorce rates followed an increase in women's rights.

it's easy to say that marriage was taken a lot more seriously when divorce rates were lower, but that's ignoring that women had severely restricted educational and career opportunities prior to WWII and it wasn't long before that they were considered property. Historically it's common for families to literally sell off their daughters as brides, which still happens in many places around the world.

So yeah, I'm going to pass on reminiscing about the "good old days when marriage meant something" as well.

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Just to clarify because it is important to me, I completely agree with you. You explained in more detail what I was getting at. A major factor in divorce rates rising was definitely that women now have more options given a shift in their career/education opportunities. More women no longer find themselves trapped in a situation where they can't afford to go out on their own. I think the behaviors that led to divorce were still very much there, but people can more comfortably remove themselves from situations.

That said, I do believe the above can be completely true but also that (particularly) my generation, doesn't take a lot of long held institutions as seriously. In my experience it does seem, and I can only speak for my generation (I'm 25), that a lot of my generation does view marriage much differently than our parents/grandparents did. Of course, there are also people who hold those past generation views.

I don't doubt that all of those are valid reasons. Women can earn a living. People can move around. They switch companies a lot more often. People don't live in one house with their entire family (Wait, that might be changing for economic reasons, at least until the kids are 30.) People trust mass media (well at least the cable channel they tune in to, or the publications they read) more than their neighbors. People aren't as religious. There are lots of reasons.

You're right, though. The general result is that people don't value institutions, and have fewer long-term commitments. They value social identity, but that's less community-focused, and more on-line. Their political party, sports teams associations, and Facebook friends might be their most important influences. (Though only one of those is really different from the past.)

For all of these reasons, there is less association with the idea of commitment. To anything. People certainly have more options now, including not honoring commitments, or even not bothering ever to commit to anything in the first place.

I didn't really mean to stir all of that up. I was just making the observation that my uncle (a professional baseball pitcher who is now in his eighties) seems to value even the slightest verbal commitments more than the typical person of this generation, and to me, that seems to reflect a societal change.

hard disagree here and with your comment above.

there were so many barriers to divorce in our grandparents age and before that it was almost unheard of or impossible to attain. That doesn't mean that people didn't want to divorce to rescind their commitment.

It used to be if you're an employer and see a resume where someone moved every year or two it was bad. But these days entrepreneurship is valued. If you started or was part of startup it can be much more valuable to a company than if you have been a desk jockey in the corporate machine all your life.

People are still religious. It's just that people that are less, not religious at all, or atheist are more accepted in general society and therefore more open about it. But churches are still going strong. There are more Mega Churches now than ever before.

marriage as an institution was corrupted as a tax ploy long before it was considered mainstream to partner and not marry. It doesn't mean the sanctity of what it means to be married is any different. The fact that there is a fight for equality in marriage rights proves that no matter your stance on the subject. Marriage as an institution is valued highly.

the main take away here is that commitment is a 2 way street. Unless both sides are bound then it is meaningless. The definition of what is binding varies on the people and the situation/circumstance. in this case, a recruit committing to a school that is not committed to them is NOT a commitment. It's a hopeful pledge at best.

My original comment wasn't really about marriage, it was about commitment. However, marriage is a form of commitment, and I do think it's one example.

I acknowledged the societal pressures related to marriage. Even acknowledging ALL of those, marriage is held less seriously today than it was in the 1940's, which is the example I provided. The greatest generation did have different attitudes than we have today.

I'm not arguing that there is no sanctity in marriage, or that there aren't people who hold it dear. I'm happily married and believe in marriage, and married someone who feels the same way. What I'm arguing is that there are more people now who don't believe in it than there were 80 years ago. There is both good and bad in it, as people have pointed out. Why trap someone in a bad marriage? Why even get married if you aren't committed to it? You don't have to get married now in order to be successful, have something to eat, or have children. Excellent points, which I completely agree with. But do people in general feel as committed to marriage as they used to? No. I don't believe that. I believe the divorce rate backs me up on that. Do they put the same emphasis on marriage as they used to? I believe the marriage rate backs me up on that.

But getting back to the point I was actually trying to make, no, I don't think there are as many people today who feel that their name is on the line every time they commit to something. Blame it on a LOT of factors. There is a general awareness that you can get out of commitments if you're willing to pay the price.

That's all I'm saying. Feel free to strongly disagree.

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Well shit not how I wanted my day to start

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I think this is less surprising than his commitment, which came completely out of left field.

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I would argue this is unsurprising BECAUSE of how surprising the original commitment was. The fact that he committed to us and we weren't even in his top cut kind of implies that he made a rushed decision. It's like he had an announcement date planned, didn't really have his decision made, but he went through with it anyways because of social pressure or something.

Those are fair points, but he was actively recruiting other prospects to Tech and usually there's chatter of a decommit. And at least I didn't hear any, perhaps others did.

I think we were just the rebound to get back at an ex.

Recruit Prosim

His de-commitment fits in nicely with this off season's general trajectory.

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I got dizzy and whiplash watching this.

So what you're saying is that despite all of the craziness we are going to miraculously land on top?

Easy come, easy go, I guess.

That's how the cookie crumbles, and all that jazz.

It's too bad, because our team could use him.

Anyway, best of luck to him.

I blame all our decommits on James Franklin and that Evil Empire up north. May we severely kick their collective asses when we get them in a few years. Once that happens, I'll be one happy PA Hokie.

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Lady friend went to Vanderbilt and the tirades and vitriol that she spews at James Franklin every time they show him on the screen is hilarious. I had been starting to get tired of it, but with the recruiting battles that we seem to be in with them more and more frequently, I'm coming around to her position.

(my eyes usually glaze when she really gets after it, but she gets REALLY pissed about him taking the Vandy class with him to PSU when he left. He also really had Vandy on the upswing, despite being...Vandy, and it always made me wonder if there was some Ole Miss style 'recruiting' taking place. They really improved dramatically in a short time. It's also a school with MONEYED alumni. In conclusion, James Franklin cheats, #'sauces'.)

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Your Lady Friend seems to be quite the catch.

1) likes steaks rare. CHECK
2) hates James Franklin/cares about football CHECK

The only way to improve on all of that would have been to find a Hokie, but you've done well for yourself.

I've dramatically outkicked my coverage.

She's pretty great. And we're getting married in 22 days so I can quit my job and leach off her health insurance.

I'm 1523 miles from Blacksburg, frankly finding a southerner who likes college football has been a miracle.

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I can quit my job and leach off her health insurance

Ah, the dependa life. Sweet gig, man. Also, congrats on the upcoming wedding.

It being pretty obvious what I do, I'm leaving a state job that I'm over and opening my own practice so I can be a real lawyer. Ultimately I'm probably going to bring home more cash then she does, for the first time in our relationship.

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That's awesome man

Congratulations on ALL of that.

It's nice to see people working it all out.

What evidence do we have of this?

"Justin Fuente has proven adept at convincing recruits who de-committed to ultimately sign with the Hokies"

-Hokie4lyfe

Off the top of my head Phil Patterson, DeJuan Ellis, and Tyjuan Garbutt all decomitted and ultimately signed with Tech. That's incredible in recruiting because it's rare a player signs with a school after decomitting.

thanks for refreshing my memory on Ellis and Garbutt - did not know that about Patterson. Thank you!

-Hokie4lyfe

Thanks for a ray of hope. Time will tell on this one. If Kelly was actively recruiting others to join him, are we expecting to lose others?

As long as he doesn't commit to the Hoos, the world will keep rotating.

At this point I would rather it be the Hoos over Penn State

I am kinda with you here. If he goes to the Hoos he will probably just turn into another Quin Blanding which doesn't hurt us on the field or in recruiting. He goes to PSU and the direct line for recruiting the 757 just gets stronger for them.

Let's not go off on this kid. Don't want to piss of a kid who may be still considering us.

He is still considering us, right, those with sauces?

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This gif looks like he just farted. Or shat his pants. Just sayin

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Wouldn't expect him to say otherwise, tbh. Especially since the issue here is that it seems he's finding a tough place to fit in. Probably wants to try to keep the door cracked in case he can't get a contender to take him.

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He will most likely end up at Uva, imo... At that point, they may be the only team to take him, because of the games he's playing

That lady creeps me out big time.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I think she looks like Pat Narduzzi, but then maybe that was intentional.

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He's totally putting us on the hook.

It also sounded like he hadn't visited Blacksburg very much when he committed. It really does seem like he felt some pressure to commit and may have rushed the decision. Best of luck to him and maybe a visit can help us out.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Is there even a possibility he may recommit?

Sure. Sometimes that happens. But...more often than not, the athlete finds another school. 1 in 8 chance... just guessing. Hope he finds his way back. He's a solid DB that would likely see play time early in his college career and do well in Foster's scheme.

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How to respond to this?

Drink!

-or-

You can say that again!

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One post was from SoupHokie, the other was from his brother

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I think you mean his other brother Darryl.

"Don't go to, go through"

Tech is fighting an up hill battle against stacked odds in recruiting. I for one don't see any major change in recruiting success under Fuente.

Hmmmm... by December, 8 of the current 13 commits likely to be 4 star on 247, and Sainstril is also a possibility to be elevated (#1 player in Mass). .

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Pretty much saw this coming from the beginning. Nobody would take him all of a sudden and he had already set a commitment date, now I bet another higher-profile school opened up to him. Wouldn't be surprised if a month from now he commits to a different Top-25 program.

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#weareNOTallIinatVirginiaTech

damn, some of yall are all in your feelings about this. lol

like the guy below me

I'm sure we'll find some 3* to replace him, then complain when we lose to big teams that we can't compete due to not signing better talent. No worries boys its all about going 1-0 in week 1!

Cam'ron Do you love us? Are you signing? Say you'll never ever leave from beside us, because we want ya and we need ya and we are down for ya always!

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

I'm kinda disgusted with myself that I get this reference.

Well, please, enlighten the rest of us that didn't. We could use another reason to drink early.

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#ShiggyChallenge #dotheshiggy #DrakesFeelings

Really hope we ultimately land him, but if he goes elsewhere, please anywhere but Clemson.

Welp, I guess that does it...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Those Hoosier bastards always stealin' our 'cruits.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

If you can't play in Lane Stadium, then I guess go to a school with a similar stadium?

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Cam'Ron Kelly to Wake Forest confirmed

That stings and stinks... Indiana? C'mon man!

Indiana is allowed to offer him multiple times?

IU is trying to triple stamp a double stamp?

I appreciate all the support, and I appreciate all the hate I am getting. I will continue to work as hard as I can to be the best I can be and bring this team a championship. Go Hokies 🐔 - Josh Jackson

....And then the big dogs came in....

Sorry, 75 comments in, someone had to say it

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

....And then the big dogs came in....

And said "Wait, we'll let you play cornerback now."

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Dang, stings when you put it that way. It's sad that we are apparently that unattractive as a brand to some recruits that they bolt at the smallest chance.

I read this news over the weekend and didn't say anything because honestly one recruit won't make or break us. We haven't been reeling in the blue chippers by the dozen, but it's hard to argue VT football isn't on an upward trajectory overall.

However, if you don't avidly follow the message boards and fan sites, would you even know it? Hardly any publicity for this program at all this entire offseason. And what little there is basically immediately writes this season off as a rebuilding year. Meanwhile Clemson, PSU, and other top competitors for recruits are on ESPN constantly having their program showcased. Perception is reality, and it's easy to see why we are not considered a big time program right now. And I don't think walling off the media has helped much.

Anything to do with the Galen Scott departure/Tyrone Nix hire? Was Scott his primary recruiter?

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nah zohn burden is his primary on this one. which honestly hurts just as bad because he is supposed to be the one locking down the 757. this hurts his perception more than anything.

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Agreed there. Was just wondering since the timing is suspect. Loses his future position coach, new guy is hired, a little while later we lose our top recruit at the position.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Everyone hating on this kid honestly needs to get over themselves. Am I disappointed? Of course. If he wasn't actually ready to make a decision, shouldn't he have pushed his commitment date back? Definitely. But, he was put in a very very tough position.

Think about it this way. By many accounts, he had an established destination and backup plan in mind within 36 hours or so of his commitment date. His school reserved the gym for his friends and family and let the students take some time away from class to go watch the ceremony. He had national publications hyping up his commitment and local news stations tweeting out live feeds to his ceremony. And then, just before he was ready to go public, his top two schools essentially decommitted to him. Can you imagine being a 17 year old kid with all of that visibility and all of that pressure telling everyone that you weren't going to be announcing anymore? I'm not sure I that I would've been able to do that.

I didn't even think about that situation at all. I know these are kids making, possibly, the biggest decision of their life. It is ultimately up to them where they want to go, and they are the ones that have to live with that decision. I can't be mad because he wants to make sure he made the right decision.

I'll be sad I won't see him in maroon & orange but I hope that he does well wherever he decides to go.

If that is the way it happened personally the first thing Inwould have done was postpone everything immediately.

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You say that but it's much easier said than done. You have all of your your friends and family, your school, news stations, Espn, 247, etc. waiting on your decision that day. Most high schoolers would have a tough time with the thought of lettting all of those people down

Possibly a good reason to not have a big, public ceremony.

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It's like having a huge wedding, part of the incentive to make things work even when it's difficult is because you stood up in front of all of your friends and family and promised them that you would make it work.

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Maybe a good reason to not have a huge wedding

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Fucking millenials. Doesn't commitment mean anything anymore?

(I'm kidding, I'm also a millenial.)

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Matt if your on here we need to have a serious talk.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I had to block that guy on Twitter. He was insufferable.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I'm not this guy, don't know him, just went through some of his Twitter stuff from his feed, and just want to put the core of his position on here just to defend him a little because other than the lousy tweet you're pointing out (which I will reiterate is lousy and I agree with you and gave you a leg for your post Fireman), but this guy is also pointing out some positive points:

I'd love to go through all the Wayne Davis types that big timed VT while Tech stuck numerous 3 star DBs in the league. It's hilarious how misguided these kids are. ITS IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD!!!!!!

Adonis didn't even have to keep his shit together to get drafted... VT has the rep... sorry to ruin your day.

I actually have no ill feelings towards the kid. I just spit some hard facts. Penn State and Clemson can't sniff VT for DBs over the past 20 years. VT will put a kid in the NFL. It's not an opinion. It's just who.

I never even mentioned the kids name and he found my tweet... HOW?!?!? You're seriously searching for tweets about yourself? I'm done.

Oh and it's not an opinion. VT will go get an out of state 3 star DB and put him in the league. Mark my words. The stats are facts.

One lousy tweet along with many solid points, I'll look past it.

I don't know...maybe just let the staff do their jobs and not be weird and a creep talking to 16-17 year old boys on the internet?

It wouldn't be accepted by any means in real life, why should the internet be any different?

To be a little more fair he was just howling into the void without tweeting directly @ Kelly, but then Kelly found it/saw it and replied.

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While this may be true, still an object lesson in don't tweet at/about croots

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Ehh... this is where I might differ a little bit. People know that Twitter is a cesspool. But the guy wasn't tweeting at the recruits, he was just venting into the void. It really looks like CRK went searching for tweets to put on blast after he decommitted, and its unreasonable to hold that against us when that literally happens everywhere else throughout all of sports at all levels.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

He then responded back at him with more garbage. I'm also willing to bet he didn't search those out a fan from a different team did and let him know it was out there. Good lesson is don't put kids on blast.

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I agree, he shouldn't have done that... but CRK @ing him was throwing gasoline on a fire.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

He's 17. That's what 17yo people do. Our fans bitching about it and coming back at him is not a good look.

i certainly don't condone it, but at this point willing to bet every program has fans that engage with recruits on social media.

function vtTweetBot( ){
-while( crootCycle ) {
--if ( croot.hasSchoolInterest ) {
----tweetAtCroot( creepyPositiveTweet );
--}
--else {
----tweetAtCroot( enragedNegativeTweet );
--}
-}
}

Don't worry guys I made a twitter bot for us.

LOL. I think someone already is using it.

But please sell it to another school.

psh why sell it, just scrape other school's targets off 247 and automate a tweet from 'school fans' and @ the croot twice daily based on the warm/cold scale on 247. Then when they commit 5+ tweets from the 'school fans'.

Don't tell anyone my plan.

Just make sure you change the name first.

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That doesn't make make us look any better to recruits who see a supposed Tech fan insult a high school kids character by insinuating that he decommited to take payments from another school, or take public shots at a kids intelligence based on his college of choice. It is pathetic to see a grown man do that kind of thing.

@ing him or not, they are still comments in a public forum that reflect poorly on our fanbase.

I've gotten into it with this guy in twitter before for this stuff. His twitter page is filled with a lot of the same dumb comments.

Edit: meant as a response to one of the posts below this.

Okay, thats changes everything, I was not aware he wasnt 'at-ing' him.

I take back my comment, somewhat...still, stop 'at-ing' 16-17 boys online aka #dontTweetAtRecruitsOrAnyoneInHighSchoolIfYouYourselfAreNotInHighSchoolCommaThatsAPrettyDecentLifeMotoToLiveBy

It took 2 seconds to figure out that that dude's tweet was RT'd by an account that Cam'Ron follows. That is how it got his attention and he replied. Twitter is not a "void" - especially in fan communities. You see it happen all the time. To think otherwise is naive.

I am also laughing at the fact that he is calling people "homers" for telling him to lay off of high school kid making the biggest decision of his life thus far. Who is really the homer?

The scuttlebutt was Tech big timed Wayne Davis, not the other way around.

Ding ding ding... and look what happened. Torrian wasn't a dummy.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

College-football-fandom-as-internet-bloodsports types are always a joy.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So it looks like Houston is trending to Maryland; do we actually have a shot with Griffin or Gary? Or are they goners too?

This is the Kelly meltdown thread

That's what happens when one TKPs too early in the am.... my b lol

Come back Chevy!!

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

GTA 4 is my favorite GTA of all time.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

He can always come back. We were an underdog, still are, that doesn't mean the coaches will stop recruiting him until National Signing Day.

This is very sad news, but I would like to remind everyone that the recruiting process for high school athletes is insane. When Tyjuan Garbutt de-committed, I posted this and I think it brought to light some of the challenges that these young athletes are facing. It's a tough business and these guys are still in high school....worrying about classes, prom, girlfriends, etc. Let's cut him some slack and trust in Fuente!

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still in high school....worrying about classes, prom, girlfriends, etc.

must be tough lol

Recruit Prosim

Just because something isn't important to you anymore doesn't devalue how important it is to someone else.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think anyone that wasn't aggressively bullied in high school looks back and says "damn, I had it hard."

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

@DCIMSA, I'd like to think that @tjbhokie is just musing about how much our priorities have shifted as adults, not belittling a HS football player.

Yes, I miss those worries.

Recruit Prosim

I agree with you to a certain extent.

Recruit Prosim

super happy that we bumped this thread, making me think there was news on a commitment or something...

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere:

After listening to this, I think he's a goner unfortunately, Debbie Downer, I know.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

So are we buying that his position coach just blew him off, or is it a case of "the big dogs"?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Not a great look regardless

considering that it was a total of around 6 days that the coaches could realistically communicate to him after his commitment due to the dead period and his decommitment , I really have a hard time believing this...

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Exactly. I think LA made a comment earlier about him feeling pressure to make a decision based on the timing of his announcement. These types of comments seem to reinforce that narrative to me. I think it's easier for him to put the blame on 'coaching contact' than to admit he made a mistake. At any rate, it's all part of maturing and I hope things work out for him. As long as he ends up at the best school for him, hopefully he'll look back at this whole thing and realize he could have done some things better, but no real harm to anyone at the end of the day.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Underrated reference right here

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

I tried to find a gif... this meme was all I could locate. That joke went from funny to cringe worthy back to funny now that I am watching again.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I am about halfway through season 2, so far I think it is much improved over season 1. The Christmas episode from the first season just lost me.

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

I don't read it as that completely. I think we're still in it but yes it will be uphill.

As a Westfield HS football alum that won a state championship with a particular Glennon (won't say which), I actually enjoyed that clip a bit particularly after he's decommitted from us. We beat Oscar Smith in the playoffs that year too.

Fugazy

someone forgot to say "Hi" to mom again... damn't

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have done it in this case.

Maybe put her on speed dial.