The demand is there and he has had great success.
Joe Montana sent his kids to his camp so that kinda validates him Id say.
Anyone know if any HOKIE QBs ever went with him?
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Just went to his site and the list of former participants is impressive: 9 QBs active on NFL rosters, with two free agents-Tebow and Leinart.
Which is likely why there are no Hokies listed.
We have tended to NOT recruit NFL prototype QB's in the past.
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just watched that. Dude charges $400+/hr... made me wonder how long it will be before no one can play QB unless they have wealthy parents who can send them to "gurus" year-round. Certainly not the game I grew up playing.
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Its the equivalent of gymnasts being coached by Bela Krolyi.
He's cornered the market simply because he's the first.
What will likely happen over the years is it will become its own industry.
Every HS QB will have their own personal coach.
The team mentality is being lost even at the entry level. Considering 99.9% of 8 y.o.
playing the sport will not go pro...it's a really disappointing sentiment.
These gurus will be opportunists preying on unrealistic pipe dreams.
---Flashing to "Rex Quon Do" commercials all of a sudden.
I'm reminded of a clip from Super Bowl I that I saw last year:
The QB was casually hanging out on the sideline at halftime with a cigarette and a beer.
I'm guessing he didn't have a QB coach at 8. Go Figure.
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made me wonder how long it will be before no one can play QB unless they have wealthy parents who can send them to "gurus" year-round.
Intersting, but I think I disagree with the premise. These young players aren't QB's because they've trained with the "guru", they train with the guru because they've shown great promise at the position.
A lot of those players probably would have gone on to have great careers without his assistance either way. Football tactics and information are so widespread that it's impossible for one guy to have a secret or a tip that is so potent that he can turn random players into studs, at least not without those tips quickly becoming widely known in a hurry.
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Not sure what my premise was, didn't really put that much thought into the post, but it definitely didn't have anything to do with the "promise" of those training under Clarkson. If anything, I was lamenting the evolution of a football culture that requires such specialization and "training" at such a young age and a sport that would so greatly favor those with the financial means and leisure time to take advantage. Seems, to me at least, contrary to all that I enjoy and respect about the game. Seems downright hoo-ish.
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My point is that football doesn't "requires such specialization and "training" at such a young age". It just appears like it does because of the self-fulfilling nature of the "guru" business.
The gurus don't make their name by turning average pre-teens into superstars, but by cherry picking the biggest studs to take under their wings. When those studs make it, the guru can claim credit whether or not they had any significant role in the players success.
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for most parents its an either I help my kid or I hire someone to do it
most youth organizations give you some idiot father who couldn't get a good job because he is an idiot and whether he was a very good or experienced athlete doesn't help him with 10-20 kids who need help at a practice, so you have to augment the village idiot with tons of time on his hands with some assistance for your kid
If you're busy, its a pretty easy thing.... you hire someone
If you're not busy, its a how much better would someone be than me question.... so for a golf swing, many of us, if we're honest with ourselves, would be more likely to take our kids to a pro
Most pros multiplex their time, so they make big bucks, but your kids get good instruction, get to hit a few balls before the coach gets back to them... it kinda works out ok
If your kid is a stud in some sport you probably end up sending him / her to some national level stud coach for big bucks... but most of these local gurus are good hard working people, some of whom are so so and some of whom are really good and their rates are more reasonable $30-$50 or so.... stacking 6 kids together is how they make the money and for the most part you get good individualized attention with that small a class
just don't see what the big deal is... when you meet a decent sized metro area guru, they are usually worth more than their fee... for most parents you can help your kid practice 100 hours and he'll hate you for it and not get much better or you can buy 12 hours with a guru and come up with a practice routine that will really help your kid leverage what hours they will put into it. That same 100 hours can produce frustration and misery or it can produce pride, optimism, and hope. Sounds like hyperbole, but find and pay for someone who has a guru reputation and you'll find its true.
think about the hours you will spend at games practices, etc.... put a value on your time... whether from an entertainment or financial perspective.... ask yourself what level of investment might provide a reasonable return given the time put in ... you don't have to be looking for a Joe Namath/ Montana outcome to want to teach your kid that expertise can be very valuable at the appropriate times... personally I think you should seek out a guru for 10-20 hours of advice per sport per year... if you're an expert in that field AND YOUR KIDS LISTEN TO YOU, then spend that time and then some with your kids and save the money
beyond that its a bad lesson to teach your kid.... if you're not smart you should really think hard about marrying smart and listening to him/her... your kid should think hard about the effectiveness of everything they do.... if it takes 10000 hours to become expert in something, think about the fact that the equation really has to do with hours times effectiveness.... effectiveness isn't all that matters, but it matters ALOT
I really feel for the kids who never get effective coaches and never get to the point where they will enjoy the game(s) at a high level. It happens all the time. But thats not criminal. Not teaching your kid about effectiveness and teaching him / her that effort is all that matters is.
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Psh, I'm gonna raise my son (when I have one. If I have a daughter the first time, I'll just keep trying til I get it right) to be an NFL QB without the help of this clown or any other "gurus." My kid's gonna be fundamentally sound and tough as nails. I personally like Mr. Miller's approach.
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8 year old kids should be playing, not training to be quarterbacks.
Its a sad reality. Hopefully merely a phase that will go away soon.
Insert Mike London recruiting joke here
No need to alter offer letter...
YOU!
works at every level.
See he is a true visionary!
The demand is there and he has had great success.
Joe Montana sent his kids to his camp so that kinda validates him Id say.
Anyone know if any HOKIE QBs ever went with him?
Just went to his site and the list of former participants is impressive: 9 QBs active on NFL rosters, with two free agents-Tebow and Leinart.
Which is likely why there are no Hokies listed.
We have tended to NOT recruit NFL prototype QB's in the past.
I think it's more accurate to say that we have tended to not WIN the recruitment of NFL prototype QB's in the past.
Fair point.
Hopefully that has changed with Loeffler.
just watched that. Dude charges $400+/hr... made me wonder how long it will be before no one can play QB unless they have wealthy parents who can send them to "gurus" year-round. Certainly not the game I grew up playing.
Its the equivalent of gymnasts being coached by Bela Krolyi.
He's cornered the market simply because he's the first.
What will likely happen over the years is it will become its own industry.
Every HS QB will have their own personal coach.
The team mentality is being lost even at the entry level. Considering 99.9% of 8 y.o.
playing the sport will not go pro...it's a really disappointing sentiment.
These gurus will be opportunists preying on unrealistic pipe dreams.
---Flashing to "Rex Quon Do" commercials all of a sudden.
I'm reminded of a clip from Super Bowl I that I saw last year:
The QB was casually hanging out on the sideline at halftime with a cigarette and a beer.
I'm guessing he didn't have a QB coach at 8. Go Figure.
Intersting, but I think I disagree with the premise. These young players aren't QB's because they've trained with the "guru", they train with the guru because they've shown great promise at the position.
A lot of those players probably would have gone on to have great careers without his assistance either way. Football tactics and information are so widespread that it's impossible for one guy to have a secret or a tip that is so potent that he can turn random players into studs, at least not without those tips quickly becoming widely known in a hurry.
Not sure what my premise was, didn't really put that much thought into the post, but it definitely didn't have anything to do with the "promise" of those training under Clarkson. If anything, I was lamenting the evolution of a football culture that requires such specialization and "training" at such a young age and a sport that would so greatly favor those with the financial means and leisure time to take advantage. Seems, to me at least, contrary to all that I enjoy and respect about the game. Seems downright hoo-ish.
My point is that football doesn't "requires such specialization and "training" at such a young age". It just appears like it does because of the self-fulfilling nature of the "guru" business.
The gurus don't make their name by turning average pre-teens into superstars, but by cherry picking the biggest studs to take under their wings. When those studs make it, the guru can claim credit whether or not they had any significant role in the players success.
The original "gurus" are genuinely legit. It doesopen the door for cheap knock offs that will likely take advantage of mediocre talent.
Gotta ask..."yak butter"?..classic&classless. I can smell it.
for most parents its an either I help my kid or I hire someone to do it
most youth organizations give you some idiot father who couldn't get a good job because he is an idiot and whether he was a very good or experienced athlete doesn't help him with 10-20 kids who need help at a practice, so you have to augment the village idiot with tons of time on his hands with some assistance for your kid
If you're busy, its a pretty easy thing.... you hire someone
If you're not busy, its a how much better would someone be than me question.... so for a golf swing, many of us, if we're honest with ourselves, would be more likely to take our kids to a pro
Most pros multiplex their time, so they make big bucks, but your kids get good instruction, get to hit a few balls before the coach gets back to them... it kinda works out ok
If your kid is a stud in some sport you probably end up sending him / her to some national level stud coach for big bucks... but most of these local gurus are good hard working people, some of whom are so so and some of whom are really good and their rates are more reasonable $30-$50 or so.... stacking 6 kids together is how they make the money and for the most part you get good individualized attention with that small a class
just don't see what the big deal is... when you meet a decent sized metro area guru, they are usually worth more than their fee... for most parents you can help your kid practice 100 hours and he'll hate you for it and not get much better or you can buy 12 hours with a guru and come up with a practice routine that will really help your kid leverage what hours they will put into it. That same 100 hours can produce frustration and misery or it can produce pride, optimism, and hope. Sounds like hyperbole, but find and pay for someone who has a guru reputation and you'll find its true.
think about the hours you will spend at games practices, etc.... put a value on your time... whether from an entertainment or financial perspective.... ask yourself what level of investment might provide a reasonable return given the time put in ... you don't have to be looking for a Joe Namath/ Montana outcome to want to teach your kid that expertise can be very valuable at the appropriate times... personally I think you should seek out a guru for 10-20 hours of advice per sport per year... if you're an expert in that field AND YOUR KIDS LISTEN TO YOU, then spend that time and then some with your kids and save the money
beyond that its a bad lesson to teach your kid.... if you're not smart you should really think hard about marrying smart and listening to him/her... your kid should think hard about the effectiveness of everything they do.... if it takes 10000 hours to become expert in something, think about the fact that the equation really has to do with hours times effectiveness.... effectiveness isn't all that matters, but it matters ALOT
I really feel for the kids who never get effective coaches and never get to the point where they will enjoy the game(s) at a high level. It happens all the time. But thats not criminal. Not teaching your kid about effectiveness and teaching him / her that effort is all that matters is.
Psh, I'm gonna raise my son (when I have one. If I have a daughter the first time, I'll just keep trying til I get it right) to be an NFL QB without the help of this clown or any other "gurus." My kid's gonna be fundamentally sound and tough as nails. I personally like Mr. Miller's approach.
Is he training kids from Alabama? There better be a plethora of 8 year olds signed up to play quarterback because of Musburger's motivation.