Going to be that nitpicky asshole here, but KJ wore 7 his first 2 years and changed it up his junior year to 25 I believe to honor an old coach's son... I was always impressed with his performance wearing the 7 jersey following the legend that needs not to be named, but he was truly phenomenal wearing 25.
I saw Jovonn Quillen campaigning for it on his Instagram page a little while back. If I were Floyd, I'd keep 21 because when it comes to a DB number, we all know it doesn't get any better than that.
Maybe #1 is not worn by any player as a symbol that the team is #1?
But then what do you do with the #1 jersey? Hang it on the sidelines with TEAM in the name space? I don't know.
I guess it's hard for the absence of something to be a powerful symbol.
I like the size. Looks like a nice pickup. Lets Go!
Interesting that you include Glennon with the 7s. It's not that much of a stretch. He was the 2007 ACCCG MVP and was the starter for the 2008 win over ranked Maryland. With that being said, the only time in his career where fans weren't calling for either Ike Whitaker or Tyrod Taylor to replace him was at the end of the 2007 season when he was actually rotating with Tyrod. 2006 and 2007 weren't completely his fault given how that offensive line couldn't pass block, and 2008 certainly wasn't his fault when his receiving corps consisted of three freshmen and previously mentioned Whitaker, but I'm not entirely sure he belongs in the same discussion as Bucky, MV7, and KJ given their abilities. Maybe if he had a decent offensive line all three seasons and experienced receivers in 2008.
Also, I'm glad you mentioned Green. I love the attitude and swagger he played with. If there was a pile, he hopped on. If there was a turnover, he was blocking (or asking Vinnie Fuller to pitch it). He had some awesome tackles in that 2004 USC game, namely the one where he picked up Reggie Bush by the legs and threw him down.
If evaluations were correct (i.e. all 5 stars are better than all 4 stars) then ~80 of 4 star recruits should make the NFL based on the number of 4 and 5 recruits from 2008-2013. So his chance should be not that small. Practically speaking a little liss than 1 on 4 four star recruits make it to the NFL. Which I wouldn't call 1 in 4 small.
Do coaches set floor and ceiling limits? I don't think so. They strive to be as good as they can be. I guess perfection is the goal, but perhaps not the expectation. I'm not sure coaches have expectations for results as much as for effort.
So, the question is why do fans need to set goals. Will it make any difference? I think what we are talking about are expectations. I think we should be very careful about establishing W-L expectations though because there could be very valid reasons that come in to play that changes those expectations. Injuries are always the first thing I think of. If the injury bug hits, the results of a season could be beyond the staff's control. If we wait to judge the season until after the games are played, we can make a reasonable judgment.
That's an interesting topic. My guess is that there are two types of student athletes: 1) those that want to play a sport first and foremost knowing that they are also receiving an education and 2) those that have career aspirations with an added bonus of being able to play a sport they love while receiving that education. I have no idea what percentage of football players would fall in either category. For those in the first group though, I'd imagine they don't put a whole lot of weight on the differences in the academic programs as long as they get to play the sport they want to play. I have friends that chose to go to a small college because they were able to play sports (without scholarship or very limited). It's important to note though that they do not take the education for granted, it just isn't the top priority in the moment.
The larger concern I have as transfers become more and more common place is that it is going to become very difficult to establish quality depth across the roster. Second string players that see light at the end of the tunnel (meaning they expect to be waiting their turn) aren't likely to jump into the portal as quickly. However, if a second string player gets bumped to third string by an underclassmen, the light gets very dim and I imagine they begin to question the likelihood of making it to the field. I wonder if the whole thing is leading the coaches to recruit differently in any way. For instance, are they probing for people that would not likely be all stars but fit into that second group mentioned above? In the past, I think coaches basically went down a wish list of players to throw offers to, but perhaps they now jump around that wish list some.
My only thought is that in most other sports he gets a ring. We had an NBA final where one player was guaranteed a ring before the first game was played because he played for both teams during the year so no matter who won he got a ring. So based on sports, he gets a ring.
I'd say No. 4 (Eddie Royal, David Wilson, DeAngelo Hall) is the prime VT number, and No. 7 (Michael Vick, Bucky Hodges, Sean Glennon, Kevin Jones as a freshman) is 2nd behind that.
No. 25 (Kevin Jones So/Jr years, Frank Beamer) is honorable mention. And don't forget Eric Green in the No. 1 club.
That sounds too reasonable for the NCAA to consider...
That's not what I wrote.
I would like to point out that Miami dominated time of possession to the tune 36-24...and still lost
He definitely weighs that. The guy has put on a ton of muscle over the years. Sneaky strong
All of this being said with the added bonus of being +3 on scholarships. I think the biggest part of this is the WRs. We gain those three scholarships to free up elsewhere and we have arguably the best stable of WRs in the ACC even after losing those 4 guys.
EDIT: Great analysis by the way, thanks for putting the numbers together and into prospective for all of us to see.
I would say that they need miami more than Clemson. They need the villains. Clemson is just good right now but they dont have the following FSU and Miami do, they dont have a big metropolitan area like VT (DC).
This way we talk about it is flawed. They aren't "moves" by Fuente in the same way you would talk about free agent losses/acquisitions in a pro league. I think what it shows is that we aren't floundering in this new system the way that some folks think we are. We're suffering standard attrition, and we're roughly cancelling it out. The fact that some established dudes are leaving speaks well, in general, to the quality of the younger players that we're bringing in.
They were prolly lumber jack'n it...
Great perspective! This kind of sums up how Fuente does things. Not flashy, doesn't try to defend his position, but when objectively analyzed, the moves make sense.
I mean it's been 10 years since we were a legitimate force in this conference. Clemson has done what everyone expected Miami and FSU to do when the league expanded. It's not a slight against us to focus on Clemson football when... I mean it's not like we were making a bunch of noise nationally when we were top dogs here. We kind of earned a reputation for losing any time we were on the big stage.
What about Calculon in "The Magnificent Three?"
Had beautiful water and a ton of bait, but struck out on game fish. Caught at least 50 of the Queensland version of our threadfins. Worked gotchas storms and stingsilvers, plus put out a live herring similar to how we fish live bait for cobia (lighter tackle though.) Nada. Zip. Didn't even see anything besides those herring, which were EVERYWHERE.